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I get the first post!
I was too self concious to have the first post, hehe.
me second!
Me too, Courtney!
or 3rd
I would like to know which one they think did it. Or rather, is the one leading them to the crime scene (supposedly).
Thanks you everyone for participating in swarm journalism. Everyone added something and it is appreciated as we got a story together with each in their own homes or offices, adding little bits, till our version of tonight will be better than the professionals out there.
Thank you Thank you Thank you
Tom
I wonder why they did it. closure is important for her family.
Hmmm…I remember when I went to Spring Break when I was 18…and I was a pastor’s kid…squeaky clean image just like this girl…boy, I’m glad my parents never found out what I did…
I think I heard somewhere on tv that it was the yougest one Joron.
Final Conclusion:
Nobody knows nothing (about the girl). All just speculations.
Ok folks I have to get some sleep to be up early for either a story I do not want to blog on or hear CNN apologizing and retracting every thing.
Thanks for a the comments and news updates. Great job all.
Before everyone goes to bed, please say a prayer for Natalee and her parents.
Thanks,
Red
As of 3:35 EST on Saturday, AP is sticking to the story:
“Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took her to a beach the night she disappeared made the statement.
Early Saturday, police refused to say if they had discovered anything.”
Add to that the confirmed stories of the Holloway family at the police station, Joran not in his cell, the police late night meeting, and it all seems pretty certain and straightforward that this ‘retraction’ business is either to honor a promise to the family and/or protect the crime scene.
AP would never publish a quote from a named police official stating that a suspect confessed and was leading them to the crime scene’ – if it did not happen. AP would never invent quotes like this, name the speaker and continue to stand behind it if it weren’t true..
But if it were drugs then why would he be the one to confess? would it not have been all of them involved?
what about that couple from boston her saw her sick in the bathroom of that bar….do you think she was loaded on drugs before, died on them and they panicked?? so many questions
Well I know that they keep saying Jaron isn’t in his cell or whatever… which is why people are speculating that he was the one that confessed.. however, one of the others could have confessed and he could be leading them there b/c the other one is down for questioning or something, you know?
I don’t think it was an intentional thing. Hopefully, it was a very unfortunate accident….
Hey Tom, your welcome…I enjoy reporting Aruban news from the comforts of my midwestern America apartment!
Well rick that is good enough for me.. Great post and very clarifiying
It is almost 100% Joran.
DIARIO (Aruba newspaper) said he had “anger management problems” and other reports were that he got into a fight with Natalee’s fellow students. Add alcohol, possibly drugs, and a spurned sexual advance in front of his two friends, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out that he got violent with her.
There were photos on his website of him mock strangling another shirtless kid. Other photos of him drinking in bars, drinking with friends, waving around cash, flashing gang signs, etc..
In fact, I’d fall off my chair if it werent Joran.
goodnight all… prayer for Natalee and her folks.
Fox just said PM denies confession report.
jaron is the one making out with her so i guess maybe he feels more responsible
i hope she wasn’t raped or tortured. i hope it was a mistake or quick.
The brothers also said in their statements that she refused to get out of the car at the beach and so any intimate contact took place in the back seat of the car. This could make a young man angry if he took a drunk young woman to a beach for some “alone time” and she refused to get out of the car.
I agree with Rick, though FOX just stated that the PM said any stories regarding confessions were lies. I just feel very badly for the family this night…
Bottom line, these boys “knew” what happened from the start and they decided to not come clean and even lie and involve others that were innocent. They should all do some time, accident or not.
Rick-
I agree.
So have they have been looking in the se wild side/s of hooiberg?
They must be all over with flashlights.
Were ya’ll aware that apparently a “bloody mattress” was found…
Dragonfly – yes. And factor in the ‘anger management’ thing – which suggests that he’s been violent on several occasions and is getting some sort of professional help – and it seems quite likely that this could have happened…
maybe the other 2 were afraid of jaron anmd didn’t tell….isn’t daddy a judge?
Courtney – that was true, but found to be dog blood, not human…
I may be totally wrong about that and I guess we will all know soon enough, but that is just my theory based on all statements I have heard or read. The blood on the mattress ended up being from a dog, Courtney.
Jaron’s father is a judge-in-training or something one level below judge. I suspect the reason the two friends didn’t say anything is that their participation makes them guilty and they didn’t want to rat out a friend… Apparently the other two brothers come from wealthy families too.
Somebody from MA says y’all?
the matress was ruled out
Ew…
I was just reading some stuff, the thing said it was from 6/5, but there was no follow up o n it ~ thanks for clarifying.
That was also my thought. Although I take it they are from a “good” family also, I wondered if they were intimidated by him and his father’s power.
she could have drank too much and expired, ran away, or just have fallen….. we are all just speculating
Yeah. I’ve lived in MA all my life, in a part that’s very close to RI – so I have a combination RI and Boston accent, but in the last year or so my accent has gone south … as in… southern, it’s weeeird.
Be aware !! No mather what the truth will come out…
Please do not forget we do have the FBI forensic team sweating now ….
They are really the best in the world.
We are all dreaming. When you wake up, you will remember nothing pertainig to this story. We are all dreaming.
Duck, while possible, if she drank too much or fallen, the three boys wouldn’t have said they dropped her off at her hotel, where a security guard escorted her in. They’d have taken her to a hospital, called the police… Also, if it were an accident, they would likely have found the body, unless it was hidden, which points to guilt…
And, AP sticks to reports of a confession..
If it walks like a Duck, quacks like a duck….
If the “something bad” was just an accident and the 3 were not really to blame then they are absolute idiots for not reporting it from the start or telling the cops when they were first questioned. Nobody is that stupid.
i wish we were dreaming and that natalee was jennifer wilbanks!
I just hope that this mother gets to take her daughter home very soon. I have prayed every night for her safety, but also that her mother be able to take her home no matter what the outcome. There are plenty of mothers out there that would give anything to have their daughter or son home, dead or alive. It really broke my heart when her mother said she would not leave Aruba without her. I have hoped all along that she wouldn’t have to.
that broke my heart too dragonfly
Well by “something bad” they could have meant that she had an overdose… and if she overdosed on drugs that THEY provided her… on drugs that THEY were selling, or got [obviously] illegally, then they could have been more concerned with drug charges, rather than murder. For some weird reason.
Or maybe she od’d or whatever and passed out and they left her somewhere, but after a while when they realized she was missing, rather than make it look like they were involved they tried to cover it up [for the same reasons]
Or maybe they are just wicked fucked up individuals.
See, I know that everyone was just livid over our “Runaway Bride” and I understood the anger, but also I couldn’t help thinking of how lucky we would be if all of the missing stories ended like that. Be mad that she was so inconsiderate, but she was found alive just like everyone was praying for.
i have a daughter and i wondered how we would afford to stay in aruba indefinately if this was our kid. i even thought about starting a foundation or something to help wth expenses in cases like this. SAD: (
Jessi – Holiday Inn is letting them have a bunch of rooms for free, covering all the costs…
Jessi, I have a little girl. She is only 10 right now, but I know that if something like this happened I would never be able to go home without her either. I just ached for her mother when I read that because I could totally relate to that dedication and that feeling of “my life doesn’t exist or go on without her”. I think that is exactly how I would feel.
I’m sure that there is a hotel or whatever allowing them to stay there for free, and I’m sure they have stuff being donated and whatnot…
However – they’re VERY wealthy. The whole “old money” thing… so I’m sure the cost is NO concern to them right now, although even if they were poor, in a situation like this I doubt money would be a concern…its their little girl out there, after all.
Agree Courtney but if what you say happened then they are guilty of involuntary manslaughter. The best thing for the guilty parties and the families would have been to come clean. Right away.
I can’t even imagine how my parents would react if something bad happened to me.
I had my college orientation from Wednesay – today and my dad dropped me off, and about 6 minutes after he walked away from my room he called me and was like “It was the weirdest thing leaving you there… I dont know how to react without you coming with me, youre my little girl ~ I’m not supposed to leave you places”…
So if my dad couldn’t even leave me @ a college campus where I’ll be living for the next 4 years, – but he knew he’d be seeing me in 48 hours, and that I’d be calling a million times…. I can’t imagine what he would do if he thought he would never speak to me or see me again.
ok, this is just a dumb little question for my own info…what time zone is Aruba in?
I think all these reports will turn out true, and we’ll find out that the Joran kid killed her. Perhaps it was accidental, or perhaps he thought he could get away with it. I think his 2 friends covered for him, and they probably dumped the body somewhere else.
I have a feeling the forensic tests on the car came back today, and that, along with other evidence, they had the kid cornered.
With all the reports on how this kid acted, the profiles and pics, the altercation at the bar, and the reported anger management issues, it just adds up. About the only thing about this entire thing that has. Surprised this kid wasn’t arrested the first night.
Well yeah, but I’m sure they didn’t think about “well we could get charged w/ involuntary manslaughter” you know? They were probably more concerned with “We have to make sure they dont think we intentionally killed this girl” or whatever.
Generally, involuntary manslaughter is the last thing that comes to peoples minds when things like this happen. Although – their not coming forward does NOT help their case @ all.
Aruba is EST… the same time zone as New York, Boston, Miami etc.
Aruba is in the same time zone as the East Coast USA
What altercation at the bar?
i wasn’t mad that she was alive, my point was that i wish natalee’s story was the same. Jennifer, however, was more than inconsiderate. she went so far as to say she was abducted by a “Mexican” how very Georgia of her, and oh the pressure of a big wedding to a rich man…..people who can’t afford weddings, or even counselling and meds deal everyday! she scared her family and friends…….i am not wishing that she was dead…..i just wish she’d quit acting pitiful. She was arrested for shoplifting in her 20′s…..her family is rich! a classic case of an attention seeking!
I’ve read so many stories about parents whose child was kidnapped and they won’t ever move because they are afraid if the child came home they wouldn’t be there. I can’t imagine that feeling, let alone having your child kidnapped in a foreign country. How could you ever leave without wondering “what if she is still there and I’ve just left her behind?”
fox on it now
There are news stories that state the Joran kid got into a shoving match with some of Natalee’s friends the night she vanished.
Abraham Jones and Mickey John must be relesaed IMMEDIATLY!
I was hoping that this was a runaway case and that she decided she couldn’t deal with the pressure of being a rich kid who has high expectations over their head (such as making sure they keep their full academic ride to college) and she just decided Aruba was a nice place to be…
Couldn’t that still be the case? Couldn’t the boys have been covering for the fact that she ran away, and that the place where they are leaving them to is like, her hide out or something?
Doubtful, I know – but… better than her having been murdered.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, Jessi, I was upset too at how she handled that entire episode. But I am like you, I wish that more of these stories ended up like that. It’s like the few times my little boy has been playing outside and taken off without telling me where he’s going. I am frantic until I find him, then so happy to see him I can’t stand it…then he’s in so much trouble!!!!!
I was wondering why her friends didn’t go with her with the guys? my friends and i always went in groups….especially 3 guys 1 girl
I would bet there are a whole lot of regrets about letting her leave with these guys. A LOT!!
They were probably too drunk themselves to stop her…
my little girl is 4 and i don’t even let her go too far ahead of me when we walk the dog! i think this crap is making me paranoid
but i don’t think paranoid exists anymore…..just reality
jessibobessy…that’s not being paranoid…that’s just good parenting…especially with all these sexual offenders out there…
You’re right Jessi. My kids think I am SO over-protective and they hate it. But I am just realistic about the world we live in today.
I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I get the idea that there were some very fishy circumstances in this case. Reminds me a lot of how our justice system worked 50 years ago.
Prominent white kid commits a crime, points a finger at some poor black people, and everyone bites.
Now these security guards had alibis, weren’t anywhere near the vicinity, and have absolutely zero criminal history. All interviews portrayed the guys as model citizens and extremely friendly. So where is this “sufficient evidence” they had to hold these guys? It seems like there is none.
I just get this feeling they tried to frame the two security guards. Joran’s father is a prominent figure in the community, and Aruba is small enough where that influence matters. The whole investigation has been incredibly odd from the start, and leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
The case didn’t seem too difficult. Three guys were the last people to see Natalee. They clearly lied about dropping her off, and their timelines were incredibly skewed. I think these guys should have been the ones that had the pressure on them from day 1. Instead, 2 innocent security guards were dragged in front of camera, out of their home and across every TV in the world. Their lives will never be the same.
My thoughts say that a cover-up was trying to be had. Perhaps the wealthy families had influence, or perhaps it was just easier to point fingers at a lower class citizen for the crim. Either way, the investigation was thoroughly flawed in my opinion, and the whole thing makes me sick.
but usually, in my experience, when one guy in a group is “hooking up” they all want to…..why didn’t the other guys at least make out with her friends on the beach or something? it seems strange that those guys would want to just watch him get lucky. i smell a lot of rats…..
Jim – the thing is in all countries aside from the US you are guilty until proven innocent, so if someone says “he did it” they take it seriously and as far as they care concerned – they really did do it… here, however, you are innocent until proven guilty and you could have committed a terrible crime but get to walk around for years before they find the evidence to prove it.
Ok – for real… going to bed. I’m exhausted.
Aruba police official: Suspect confesses to killing missing teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 2:00 AM EDT (0600 GMT)
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.
Police did not say which of the three confessed to the killing of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway.
Before you blame friends of Natalees for letting her go, you have to realize that a lot of these guys are pros at this. I’ve been to some Caribbean Islands and see these guys work. They are aggressive, target the weak, and come across very trustworthy.
They could have gained her trust all week, and offered her a ride home. Maybe she was just taken by this guy and really trusted him.
Girls leave with guys from bars all the time. Is it safe? No. Do I blame friends for letting her go? No. Sometimes it is easy to look back and say “if I had only done this”. Unfortunately, when you’re drinking, having a good time, and out with friends, you don’t think straight.
Good night Courtney…have a safe trip tomorrow…um..today
I agree, Jim. I said earlier today on another forum that considering these security guards were well-known for trying to pick up on women at hotels and the position Jaron’s father holds, that the finger was pointed at them purposely. I don’t think that they were in a position to know that the contract for these guys at the hotel next to Natalee’s expired only days before her disappearance and so these guys were not even working with their “black uniforms” and “walkie-talkies” that night. In fact, I heard one of them had a pretty good allibi. That he had been at some sort of party that night or something. So, it was a good try on their part, but I think they weren’t totally prepared.
I understand guilty until innocent, and that is how they work. I’d just suspect that the last 3 guys to see her alive, the same ones that lied about their story, would be the ones I’d consider guilty first.
Fox just reported pretty much everything we already know. The DID NOT mention what CNN is reporting nor did they say it was true.
I have to go to bed too. I’m hoping there is more information when I wake up later today!!!
i agree jim. dragon and nate, i have a tan skinned blue eyed long blonde haired 4 yr old. a predators dream! and if she takes after me, which she does, she’ll be developed by the time she is 12! she is my first and as of now only child. looking at natalee is killing me. i’d die or go nuts if someone hurt her. i wish we could let our kids be as free as we could be when we were young. now 12 year olds are rapists, murderers! what can you do?
Well I’d imagine Joran’s father will have a tough time becoming a judge now.
jessibobessy…what can you do? you may want to consider the “Noah,” plan…buy your own island and populate it from scratch!
To the idiots who wanted to say “I posted first!” I only wish the HIV virus was limited to assholes like you. This young girl is most likely dead, but you want to make light of it. As a standup comedian, one who is accustomed to making fun of manu different events, I hope you fall on a knife.
I pray for Natalee and her family.
I don’t think this should affect Jordan’s fathers Judgeship, should it?
The only thing it means is that his old man will not get this for his first case.
i don’t blame her friends for leaving her. i think it is strange that the group of guy friends didn’t hook up with the group of girlfreinds….like” Hey, does she have a friend for me” kind of thing. i believe the altercation with friends thing, but her friend in fox the other night didnt mention it the other night
Hey Doyle…get a life…who said I wasn’t praying for their family too?
Well if this is how he raises his children, I’d probably pass on having him as a judge. This kid seemed to have issues long before this.
I think if Joran is the guilty party here that it will affect his family’s entire life. Small island, hardly any crime, and this crime against an American? Not that it will ruin them, but I do believe it will hurt them a great deal on this island.
Chill Doyle! Many want to be “first posters”
I agree it was out of line but wishing them harm is idiotic too!!
doyle, Bitter or what????
Doyle, I think you were the only one who took offense to that and I’m not sure why.
I’d also like to add to not be surprised if the Aruba officials turn this into an “accident”. Possibly say she was drunk and hit her head, or something like that.
Remember, they have a lot of tourism dollars at stake, and an accidental death saves them a lot of face here. It seems from the beginning that the Aruba Police have done everything in their power to mislead media and botch up the case. This confession has even been downgraded to “something bad happened”. I just see this turning into an “accident”.
it wasnt out of line……we tranferred from somewhere else and he made it first…..big deal!
Okay…now I’m really going to bed. Good night all!!! And I will be praying for her family just as I have every night since this happened.
Well this kid could single handidly kill tourism to this country and hurt the economy. That family will be the most hated name in Aruba.
i agree jim how often does the pm come out to talk about a missing person? people are missing every day!
Goodnight Dragonfly!
dragonfly — Joran’s family will have to leave Aruba — I can’t conceive of how they could stay there. Out to some other Dutch territory or to the Netherlands itself.
I don’t think this could be covered up using the “accident” excuse. Remember the U.S. F.B.I. is there and they will not let this be covered up. This was an isolated incident and I hope it doesn’t affect the country’s tourism for too long.
If someone would buy me a plane ticket to Aruba…I would go..I’m sure it’s beautiful down there…there is a lot more violence up here than down there I’m sure…
Cover ups happen and just because the FBI is there, doesn’t mean they’ll be able to have any say in the trial. I hope they have the autopsy done by someone from the states to get real answers. Aruba has been covering for these kids too long.
it wasnt out of line……we tranferred from somewhere else and he made it first…..big deal!
In my opinion it was out of line. This is a forum to discuss a very serious matter and not a contest to be a “first post” I could have been fist but I did not think such a trival thing should take place on this board. I do not wish anyone harm for typing “first post” but It’s not my style.
yeah, look at new orleans…….aruba can’t be as bad and people flock to mardi gras!1
I’m a rookie blogger…sorry it was out of line…this stuff is serious..however, must of this stuff is just speculation and rumor anyway…now tell me…isn’t that out of line too?
I don’t really see how this could be accidental in the sense that the 3 boys tried to cover it up and shift the blame.
cyber, doyle……This is my first time doing the whole “blog” thing and it seems like, with a few exceptions, people come here to pick fights….who cares about a single comment made over an hour ago? let it go! i just wanted the latest on natalee….now i’ll leave you to be “right’ all night long! good night!
jessibob…take care and have a good night!
Don’t worry Nate, I don’t wish you would fall on a knife.
I just hope the people in here are different from the “masses” and don’t act like the folks on a Yahoo discussion board.
This is better than that.
haha…thanks cyber object…I’ll remember all this in the future…
nate-
It’s so sad what happened,
still
I love aruba and the people there.
If i got a chance to go again I’d be there in a heartbeat.
I only took offense because it made her life seem so trivial. I do realize it was not the intent of those porters, but in this day and age you can’t be too careful.
I haven’t seen it on this particular site, but I’ve seen it on others. (Because I do think the vast majority of people on this site have a good amount of caring and hope).
I’ve seen people basically say Natalee deserved what she got because she was drunk.
I have a problem with that:
(1) While it maybe be likely, if she is found living (hopefully) or dead, it is a professional’s job to determine the level of intoxication. Not rumor or hearsay.
(2) Most of us have have been drunk before. Most of us have done stupid things while drunk. I personally, and many CAN empathize with this, have done things while drunk that the next day we were like “Thank God I’m ok!”
I truly hope she is ok, and I doubt that anyone following this story at this hour disagrees with that.
Sorry to ruffle feathers in my first post/comment.
PS I have a life.
I don’t think it was an accident either. However, an accident looks a lot better for tourism than a murder. Aruba has a lot of money to lose by making this a murder.
Either way, I have little to no faith in the Aruba Law Enforcement. 12 days to figure out something most people probably could have told you within a few hours?
hey friend…I’ve heard a lot more positive stuff about Aruba than negative, that’s for sure…
jim, i enjoy all of your theories and nate, i enjoy your ability to give all of us a moment of silliness during this hard discussion. my sister in law was shot in the head in front of her 4 kids 4 years ago in a high profile case, america’s most wanted and all……laughter and humor kept us sane. Don’t apologize for bieng human.
Hey Doyle…no harm/no foul…however, you ever say that stuff again to me again…we’re going to have “blogging” words….
Humor definitely keeps me sane…my uncle was just put in the hospital today..and we’re not sure how much longer he has…we all deal with stress a little differently…
sorry to hear that.
I thought you were a rookie? How did you get that smiley face thingy?
Which key is that? I can’t find it anywhere
Nate, gotcha man. However be warned, I can blog with the best! lol.
(I have absolutely no physical intimidation at all!)
i don’t do the internet thing…..very easy to misjudge typing.
cyber object… just type a semicolon ; and parenthesis ) back to back…comes out like this
I think this is good night all.
We all hope for the same outcome.
Good night my friends.
Good night cyber..take care….
going to smoke
Possible 4th suspect
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
nate your smilie face is animated
?
Ok…now I’m trying to figure out how I did it… it’s not working now!
that one isn’t but one of them looked like a yahoo emoticon…..how?
!
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we can’t be too silly in here: )
oh, I think the pattern is you have to have a sentence with a period, question mark, or exclamation point.
Then two spaces and the smiley! 
! : )
didn’t work
jessibob the colon and parenthesis have to be back to back.
no space in between
good thing you guys aren’t in charge of search/rescue (picture a smiley face here)
jessi bob makes me sound hillbilly!
good thing you guys aren’t in charge of search/rescue (picture a smiley face here)
Hey friend, you’re right about that! I wish I could help though…
hooray!!!!!!!!!! now that i figured that out, i can go smoke. having a tropical storm outside….wish me luck! brb.
jessibob…half my family is hillbilly, so I hope you’re not insulted!
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My lovely Jamaica born and raised, now a US citizen, wife pretty much called this one the minute she saw that poor former security guard’s picture where he’s getting arrested. Someone else suggested early that it was a “Some Dude” defense proffered by the three other “witnesses”, one of whom happened to be white.
That should be the biggest shame for Aruba to contemplate. Abraham Jones and Mickey John must be released, and toot sweet! What if it were you, or one of your family or friends arrested for “suspicion”? It’s bad, the way this case has been handled.
Police commissioner Jan van der Straaten said on or about 6/3/2005, “after four or five days you are afraid a crime has been committed.” Do ya think? That person should resign, however this turns out. And if this confession comes about as true, then perhaps a few more slow moving officials should consider turning in their resignations, as well.
Ina any event, those two poor fingered security guards ought to be released right now!
now i’m a pro! :p
This conversation has truly slowed down the last hour or so. Where did ArubaGirl and the others with the local info go? Sleep?
yes
I believe it’s time for me to sleep as well, I wish you all a good night…best wishes everyone
I agree. Those guards should be released ASAP. Being completely innocent & incarcerated for days is a terrible terrible thing. And also a racist thing, actually. I feel like Jolen Van der Whatever saying “black man in a uniform” was as bad as people here always pinning it on a black person when they actually did something bad themselves…
Where you at, getting the rain Jessi?
Bill, I would feel good about letting one go, he has an alibi but until I hear all the facts, I am not yet sure about #2.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
4th suspect
Sleep? I just woke up to all of this.
So – has it been determined where we are with this case at this point?
Confession? “Something Bad”? Search?
Anyone know for sure?
louisiana…….just wind…lots!
Atlanta
you’ll get it sunday
New Orleans…..15 min outside MS
Coffee, Your best bet is to go to CNN.com or Foxnews.com and check out the latest.
close to the coast…..be right back.
Yeah, I read that. But so many things here counter what is being said on CNN. Guess I will rely on CNN that there has been a murder confession by one of the three young guys.
Shit. I have to drive three hours to Nashville today. Hope I miss the rain entirely.
coffee, fox just said reports of confession are a “LIE” ?? i’m confused
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
coffee, you’ll probably get it sunday too
The two major sources say 2 different things. That was kind of my point. We don’t know what is true but I figure by noon EST we should know everything. It is possible CNN jumped the gun.
We know so little we are discussing how to animate a smiley face.
God bless poor Natalee’s soul.
i think we’re burnt out on no new news
i wish locals to aruba would come back
Would be ok with me if CNN jumped the gun. But when it starts off with “Aruba police official:…” I have to think they mean it.
It’s being reported on television this very moment, even. So CNN is not backing off the story. What the details are, who knows?
fox is reporting something different from cnn right now on the ticker…….??
I think FOX is reporting based on family reaction. Denial, isn’t that the first stage of grief? I’m sorry, but it’s probably a stage we’re all in. I would be there too, but for the “Aruba police official” header on CNN.
Unfortunately, we now have the weekend news crew, the “B” team, to get this straight. We may have to wait for quite awhile before we get the real news right,
love to hear from a local
I’m with you, friend of. Kind of quiet at this moment. Do you know if Mickey John has been released yet?
fox is current right now
Bill-
at this point I know as much as tom&red&arubagirl&just a guy&gabriel&maemae&local girl&&lola&bill&jim, you know??? If I were back in the background or on the underside of my eye-lids. C?ome on. No one in Aruba is sleeping now-they’rer looking don’t you think?
thanxs jessibobessy
interesting-the gaurds are still held even though someone else confessed///???
Did he say just say that in Aruba theycan ‘t let gaurds go because the investigation is on going??? And they may be brought to court every 6 days for a max of 116 days???
Big fan of Aruba here; lawyer, too, so this case has been at turns both fascinating and sickening. This whole situation is a shame; the family and the island deserve better….although overnight indicators are pointing the wrong way, I guess….
FYI, this blog (meaning “y’all”) and Riehl have been great and better than the “big” media. However, one CNN talking head has been harping on a question that I’d love to hear about from the locals (localgirl, friend of…) — we get that Aruba Justice is set up on a model that is, in ways, markedly dif. from US., and can see possible merit of tactic of letting 1 or more of the 3 go and surveilling him/them…but WHAT could possibly justify not siezing the Honda (and all that forensic evid.) right at the begining? Just don’t get that part of the investigation…Help, please….p.s. Natalee’s family: Everyone stateside is with you. p.p.s hang in there Arubans, this too shall pass.
ann-
Aruba didn’t initially know that the holloways knew people in power….or thought joran
family had local immunity in some way. Looking the other way gave the 3 kids time to at least get their stories straight-I’m sure they are convincing liars… Arubas people have given their hearts in whole to this… the mep (aua govt)did not from day 1 2 or 3… Letting the honda be ignored makes it unreliable as evidence,really,after a week or more and so much mis-info all along.
Unreal.
Red-
Here is a website direct link to a telivision station Caribbean Superstation-
http://www.bocanal24.com/index.php?page=news#item_244
Don’know the language but you can push it through babelfish-or I’ll do it.
also there is telerubastreaming but it seems to just be showing Spanish language CNN-
I’m off to try and find a local radio aruba radio station website for ya-i do this for Charles at LGF all the time-
check ou the first link just google babelfish to get the translation and maybe someone else can say what kind of Spanish that is? I don’t recognize it.
But for the fastest news you go local,local,local…it hits there even before yahoo…
I do have a suggestion for Aruba’s authorities that’s positive, I think. If Aruba is set up to be so dependant on tourism, and such a large portion of tourism is from the U.S., why not establish a kind of task force / mod squad to head off this sort of problem? I might not be calling it the right thing (task force). A kind of dedicated police squad to blend in but zoom in on such occurrences, so as not to inspire statements like, “After four or five days you are afraid a crime has been committed.”
Considering the small size of the island, this elite police squad would be there to mingle, know who is who, and stay in the background, but be empowered to head off such problems as you are experiencing now. And that elite group would not have to be very large at all. Just like Carlos & Charlies, et al, has bouncers, these folks would be like Aruba’s tourist guard, more or less.
Let’s face it, the airlines and cruise ships bring in a new batch of tourists just about every week. But who really knows the local “scene” longer term? And you’d want to be discreet about it, right?
Just a suggestion, for what it’s worth.
By the way, the elite squad could go to the resorts and give the “Officer Bittenbinder” talk during the day, so you won’t have to rely on American schools to do it.
http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/issues/v67/n60/avoidance.60n.html
Papiamento? Is that the language at my first link? wow…can’t find a translator online for that…..
Bill-
maybe I could braid hair???
madawaskan-
there are translators I ‘ve done it,free. Ask jeeves
This radio station seems to broadcast at this website in english-but does not seem like news is their specialty.
http://www.galactica999fm.aw/
Well, it’s just a suggestion, friend of mickey. Maybe I could braid hair, too, sometimes.
Today’s paper on the island…..
http://www.awemainta.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx
Hey, I statred out working on the beach. There isn’t anything better.
Here is a site that has a pdf of today’s version of their paper-it might have different details and has a vile phot of the three-I tell ya-ugh.
http://am.aruba.tv/
This poor girl she did NOTHING to deserve THIS.
Morning Tom or Red. Just a note:
You have on you website a big picture of Natalee with the words “God bless her Soul”.
Until nothing is confirmed, which the local news are stating this morning that last night was just a crazy night with false news and that there is nothing new as yet. The head authority official has asked Asociated Press to Rectificate their news and they have done this.
So until then, let’s not state her as deceased yet until it’s confirmed and true. Hope you understand what I mean.
friend of mickey, I wasn’t volunteering myself or anything. Just making a suggestion I thought might be useful. Though the whole hair braiding thing does sound kinda fun. You don’t think people would think I was a sissy, though, do you?
madawaskan, that’s still yeserday morning’s paper.
At the first link I left-
http://www.bocanal24.com/index.php?page=news#item_244
If you click where it says-
CLICK AKI PAWAK E VIDEO
It appears to be video tape of the search of the houses of the security guards,their cars-car being towed and them being arrested.
Boy1 I fthey are not guilty they are surely owed an apology-after that footage.
Bill-
it depends.Iguess
Bill-s
hoot-wonder when they will update-that pic of those three is out at other sources-I ‘ll try to find another paper that pdf was only six pages…..pppfffffttt!!!
There is this news radio site that says-
The title- Suspect Met Girl Before She Disappeared-[not much of a title] but someone can check for if it has any different or new details or if it will update faster than US media…
http://www.z100radio.com/musicfeature.cfm?id=731658
madwaskan
thanx for the video link
madawaskan, it’s the weekend. I loathe to say it, but we can expect the news “B” team to be on the job until Monday. By the way, I see CNN NOT backing off their version of the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
CNN television just now again reported there has been a confession to the killing Natalle. Sorry, but they are still saying it.
I hope that they lynch the Negroes who did this to the pretty white girl.
Here we go again. The creeps woke up, I guess.
Also, this:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-06/11/content_450618.htm
Talk about a place devoid of news radio-great for vacations-not this-anyways, Red.
Sorry-I can’t find too much else-and some of the links amount to junk.
Bill-Red and Tom might be Christian but I tell you what -I wish I could pollute their site like LGF-but I won’t do that outta respect for Red-ugh wait till he is on site-he can put you away and still maintain his dignity and class…
friend of mickey john-
no problem and sorry I fed the troll-I can’t look anymore once that gets started.
And as to the gal- Courtney who is blaming this poor girl for what happened -please try to be fair-you have NO idea…
Yuck! Red-found this comment where the Freepers are following the story-
To: All
Here is one of the perp’s web sites… (Satish)
the others have been taken down
http://spaces.msn.com/members/thebestone10/
Sick little bastards…!
Okay, I have 5 hours of sleep. Just FYI.
Latest info: There is NONE. NOTHING. Everybody on the radio is playing (normal) music, the local tv stations are playing their American affiliates (CNN and NBC), it’s all quiet.
You know what I’d really really really like to know from Jim? Why are you so ready to believe that there will be a cover-up? I don’t think that the sentence will match what they would have gotten in the States, true, but I can assure that it’s not as if they’re going to forget this whole thing happened and give the guys community service.
Also, about van der Sloot’s father. From what I understand, he is a jurist / lawyer at the Dutch – Aruban – Netherlands Antilles Liaisons office. (KABNAA). He tried to be a judge, but didn’t make the cut.
Promise to update as soon as something happens.
HEadlines on local newspapers this morning (translatation mine): AP and CNN hit the false alarm: Police deny that there has been a confession.
I’ve gotta go, because my mom is thinking of going nuts on my ass if I don’t help her.
ok based on what arubagirl is saying i am going to leave this link.
They did the same thing in Costa Rica-at a cerian time they switch of the CNN feed although i have a feeling you are going to be stuck with Spanish or the papiamento-I also will go fetch a translato i found for that…but first this link-
http://www.telearuba.aw/
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/
madawaskan
Is that you? From PoliP? If so long time no hear. Hope all is well. Good vid link
You are correct Gabriel. We forgot to take that off after CNN called her last night
See, I told everyone what the outcome would be. You all jumped all over me.
Finally, 1 of the unks arrested said “Something bad did happen to her (Natalee).” Told you all she was probably dead and sexually assualted.
The drunken state of this Alabama chick got her in trouble.
Deputy.
Who gives a fuck?
why they would listen to ver der sloot and only be concentrating on arashi is beyone me.. try looking at that aboandoned town near KIA
Deputy, I acknowledge you were right, after all:
Former Sheriff’s Deputy Says:
June 8th, 2005 at 7:52 pm
I believe that Natalee is dead. The more I read, the more I blame the parents for sending their 18-year old to booze it up in Aruba. What happened to Natalee is what happens WHEN DADDY HAS TOO MUCH MONEY. I was on a plane today and a number of us spoke (men and women) about the situation. Without exception, all 5 of us thought that the problem started when Mom and Dad sent Natalee on a drinking excursion to celebrate her graduation. They parents should be up on charges!
Also, where were these 7 chaperons? Probably boozing it up too.
Where were the 100-odd fellow partiers — not a one could recognize that Natalee was heading for diaster?
This is a sad, sad situation with blame landing right at the feet of he rich parents.
I hope they learned a good lesson! I’d love to debate them on their decision.
Deputy
Update.
Yahoo reports that a 6th man in his 20’2 has just been arrested.
This thing’s got more twists and turns than a bow legged catterpillar
The newspaper was Bon Dia Aruba (www.bondia.com), and it says “. . . However, sources of Bon Dia Aruba confirmed that none [referring to a confession being made] of this is true and that very probably authorities are going to take steps against the two media outlets. Already Commisionary Dompig assured that he was going to ask for AP to rectify their story and from what he could understand, AP agreed to do so.”
At this point, I just want it to be over.
We are frantically working on an update. Looks like this story is like herding cats.
We should have it up shortly. thanks for all the tips and information
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen
Link to Chris’s post.
Have to go do some errants.
According to TOP FM 95 the news brought by CNN is completly false. Makes me wonder what the intentions of CNN is with spreading false rumours.
If I am not mistaken, there will be a press conference at 04:00 o’clock PM arubian time. Hope some local from Aruba can verify that for me.
You can acces different radio from Aruba through http://www.arubadag.com you will need RealPlayer though.
TOP FM 95 is very popular. Just make sure you be there on time, because the servers are limited.
Thanks TEO!!! Awesome stuff
T
Aruba girl
Excellent o nthe story in the local paper.
Tell Mom that you are busy today and that you will be helpful all next week. show her our main page that you are working with us.
LOL , and if that does not work , duck…
T
teo the intentions of cnn are always to mislead the public, that s what their ratings are in the toilet, no one believes a damm word of what they say… i call it the clinton news newtork
The only new news I can find is that another looking to be in his 20′s has been arrested. CNN still has the same confession story on the website. Anything at all anyone?
pers conference 2day 10am, says top fm
Sorry, the time for the press conference must be 10:00 AM Arubian Time.
So if I am not mistaken, in a couple of minutes.
Acces the radio by http://www.arubadag.com
thanks..I got a link
Pm upset cnn not retracting wrong info
Pm upset cnn not retracting wrong info
new update up
thanks Chris and Aruba girl
anything to help out Tom!
wish I understood the language
hasn’t started yet
they do have corny “Breaking News “music
yes they do.
This is what happened last night! After many days of high emotion and frustration, a break came in the case of the missing Natalee. When that happened, a source at the police station told a reporter what happened. It was most likely the truth… BUT, that source didn’t have the right to “tell”. So, the officials said what was told was a lie…
They had to do that. Since they don’t want us to know what they know, yet, they had to say that the report was a lie or untrue.
I believe it is true (instinct tells me that). The Aruban authorites are not used to having this much press around, they are not used to such a high profile case. The source slipped up and said something he/she souldn’t have. That doesn’t make what he/she said WRONG, it just makes it release before the authorities wanted it released.
I’m sure time will show that the original statement released prematurely is correct.
msnbc being very cautious in what it says. Nothing new so far.
if that’s true, then who is this 6th guy?
Hey guys there’s going to be a press conference right about now, you can tune in to one of the radiostations on http://www.arubadag.com hope they translate it though for you guys in english
Van der STraten (head of investigation) on the air, he defends his police department. Info is false about confession. They’re investigating still
Police Official said that the news was not correct, and pleaded trough TOP FM to give their investigation team a chance to work on the case.
According to Police Oficial Mr. Jan van de Straten this kind of false news is ruining their investigation.
The official Press conference has not yet started as far as I can hear.
The press conference isn’t right at 10 AM, it might be taking about 20 min.
Top fm heading to press cnf nnow
I suspect this last guy arrested helped “get rid of the body”. Maybe had the equipment, off-road vehicle or boat that the boys did not.
Why not just admit that “progress is being made”.
I think they are having fun “jerking the US media around”…I would they are obnoxious.
Info coming in about action last nite in Bucuti
CNN jerking aourn would look bad or NOt?!
what information Leila?
Leila: Source for info re: bucuti?
They keep talking on the radio about the Holiday inn?
This Harry Cruz guy sounds pretty cool…
Is he a hot shot Aurban reporter?
Eek… I need info.
I knew I should not have slept during the Papiomento classes in college.
lol
we are updating based upon your comments
T
it has lots of similarities to dutch and spanish..of which I know a little of each. it’s enoujgh to make out about 10 words per minute
never mind these guys talk quick
We currently have a lively chat going at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/
Sign up and then click on the CHAT link on left… make sure popup blockers are off.
If you would like to join us! We have a person there from Aruba who is giving us some information as it’s heard on Aruba news.
Jane,
I can not get over there , hands are full!!!
If you get anything big, can you cross post it or email me at
tom@scaredmonkeys.com
Thanks
please post any new info HERE!
Emotions running high on radio, people caling in only. Talking about God helping Aua and so on
I have 3 computers and 4 montors going,,, Full Swordfish mode
People giving info Off air. Some are saying there has been police action last nite, in Bucuti as well. Culture in aua is that everybody drives around in car, just looking around for police cars
Officials keep insisting info about confession is false. Off the air is been said, some else has been arrested. They don’t want to say that on the air
Scared.. we do post new info here, but this is more a message board, on yahoo we are having interactive chat. Both are good and serve different purposes. If you are online and will be on for a time, chat (interactive) is good. This is a great place to post breaking news and it does get posted.
For those who want to join in on the interactive conversation.. come visit us at:
We currently have a lively chat going at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/
Sign up and then click on the CHAT link on left… make sure popup blockers are off.
Callers saying Media is messing up investigation. Talking about a leak
Will post anything new we hear over here too!
Doesn’t this mess up the prosecution as Dutch law is all about keeping the information quiet until the trial?
Otherwise the defendant is considered not having his rights protected?
Right now discussion is about the new conference that is suppose to take place shortly. All are keeping their eyes on MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews.. as well as the Aruba stations online.
Will post anything new as we find out.
Thanks Jane!
thanks Jane Doe
That’s a horrible thought Tom…
If he ends up beating the chrges because CNN “sullied his image”
Dutch law keeps things quiet untill formal charges. Cannot changes later on, that why investigation has to be complete. Nobody has been formally charged yet
I’d put money on him being charged any day…
Amazing , Red just said to me “CNN managing to make the story about them”
For investigation to be “complete” can take quite a while as u might figure by now
PM making statement NOW
Press Conference starting in 30 sec
Right now!!! In english http://www.arubadag.com click TOP FM
PM making statement NOW
is in english
“Connot confirm rght now, are at a crucial point right now in investigation (quotw).” Are not dening nor confirming”
That all, this is end of confer
Was I waiting only for this!!!!!
short and briefly, they will not affirm neither deny any news. Neither wil tehy answer any questions.
mmmm….
post is updated
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1110
Sorry guys… just stay tuned, you never know…
That’s it?!!! I wish I had gone to bed early last night and not heard a thing about any “confession” or anything. I would have had much more sleep and been none the wiser.
Apparently news conferences said they will neither confirm or deny reports made last night about a “confession”. Also, a person arrested this morning has nothing to do with the Natalee case. More as I hear it….
thanks Jane
Reports that blood has been found in the gray civic and the holloways took blood tests yesterday. Results were expected to be disclosed at the 10 AM PC this morning but was not mentioned
Reported by Amy Kapel’s site
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/
Apparently, their idea of a news conference is much different than ours!
Thnx Tom and/or Red for removing the words under the picture of Natalee which said:” May God rest her Soul”.
Until nothing is confirmed, let’s not get ahead of our self. thnx
You were right,,, 3-4 AM last night blurred things and we fired our editor.
I’m sorry I was thrown out of the chat room. Many information coming in today. Yahoo chat completly full.
You will never be thrown out of here Jairo
Are there any updates? What time is it in Aruba?
Good morning to all…
Is “Langosta” here???
11:17am
Can we infer from this that the two men who were arrested first are innocent?
Ronald, they will let them go any time now from what I hear….
I don’t know all the facts, but I got very bad vibes from this van der sloot kid from the first time that I set eyes upon his web site. What was posted there was alarming. He seems like a chiched archetype. While I don’t know the kid, I know his type, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he had a role in what happened.
Jairo, thried to go to the yahoo chat
//groups.yahoo.com/group/nataleeholloway
is this the one you’re talking about??
when I log-in it seems I’m the only one in the room!?!?!
pls let know
Tom, do you need any help w/ maintining the blog?
Native,
The room looks empty because it is not letting you in since it is full
Chris
We have control now, but thanks for the offer. Red just got out of the shower.
Fox Televsion said the confession is true.
That’s what I thought…thanks googler
If it turns out that this van der sloot kid is involved, it will be very interesting to see what kinf of treatment he receives in the Aruban judicial system, seeing as how his father is a judge. Aruba is a very small country, and there can’t be any serious doubt that all of the judges know one another or, at least, know “of” one another.
On the one hand, his identity as a judge’s son would militate against a harsh sentence, but, on the other hand, if he were given anything less than a severe punishment, the Aruban government would appear “soft” on crime, and the country would lose crucial American tourist dollars.
Yesterday someone posted a link for a newspaper article about a fight between the 3 boys and some of Natalee’s friends…..does anybodt know what link I’m taliking about and where to find it??
Tom? Red?
Good to hear Red’s back…..if you ever need to sleep sometime , I’d be glad to mod for a bit
So my guess, CNN is right but shey shoot before they had clearance. Aruba law is different, cause all info/ investigation has to be “complete”, which is not the case. Maybe they have confession, but not the body.
Also Prime Minister of aua, upset with CNN for not retracting Story
All are blaming “leak”, but local radio now is considering the ‘confession’ news as valid!
Helicopter is still flying around my house, suppose still busy with recover
Ronald, He is not a “Judge”….YET and I don’t think he will ever be appointed after this….
Maximum sentence is 20 to life…
yes native. we had it
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1102
Ronald, do you have the url to that guys website?
Tbanks Chris
This is similar to a wake, only more morbid.
Many high profile people have children gone wrong, wont affect appointment necessarily
NativeLingo keep trying to get in the yahoo chat. I know a lot of us would love to hear from you.
According to my research, Dutch gives 15 Yrs for premed murder, 12 yrs otherwise.
Father works for KABNAA, not working in courthouse as a judge
I’m in the yahoo chat
very busy and lots of info, but nothing new or ground breaking yet
lot of locals of both AUA and MB in the room
The hardest thing with any story is getting the facts right. It seems that, in every story, all sorts of incorrect information comes out during the fledgling stages of the investigation. Every news source that I have consulted has said that the kid’s father is a judge. Now I’m hearing that he’s not. What’s going on?
Most definately we don’t have death penalty
Thanks Tom….
Hello, V-Girl…. been trying for days…. didn’t even know you guys were in there…
Father is an attorney, studying for judge which takes 8 years, long road . Father seems to be a very nice guy, soft spoken, very friedly and liked by locals. Son is somethng els of course
Leila, I agree, but looking at the MAGNITUDE and far-reaching implications of this case, I think it will affect the father…..
Another chat room open on MSN
http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat.msnw
For those with netpassport addresses (hotmail, msn, etc) or you can register for free. The yahoo chat room remains very full and people get dumped out… overflow can use the msn chat
Well, Aruba has a serious problem on its hands because the American travelling public is not going to be satisfied that justice was done if this kid gets a slap on the wrist.
If it comes out that he killed her, he has to be tried as an adult, and he has to do 25 to life. Anything less and the Aruban government will be perceived as soft, and the countr will lose tens of millions of American tourist money.
It’s odd that all these ‘advanced socities’ don’t have the death penality — except for the victim.
Sort of like lefties worshiping the owners of the real gulags and abhorring the US.
Time for chapter IX ?
Could this kid be tried as an adult in Aruba?
Probably could be tried, not common in our system. His msn site said he 1.92 mtr long. Tall guy for 17 old
Hmm… something a little strange about equating “advanced societies” with the death penalty.
Ronald, under Dutch law, anyone over 16 is treated as an adult.
Believe me, it won’t be a salp on the wrist……
If found guilty, we arubans will see to it that he gets the maximum…….
Think of this….even if it’s 20 years, it will be a good looking boy…..20 years….in prison….. do I need to say more????
diddy..I’m going to have to agree with you on that one…
Does the Aruba legal system have trials by jury, by judge or both? Certainly, when a system has trial by jury is when there is more concern about pretrial publicity, true or untrue, and its effect on the jury pool. With judge trials, there is an assumption that a well trained jurist can put that aside.
No Jury…..trial is by judge, my guess is that it won’t only be one judge in this case…….
To help with load times we are moving the comments over to this post:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1111
Thanks!
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