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The Netherlands have said more than a mouth full this time, calling the governmental 
power in Aruba unsatisfactory. What does Aruba want, besides their cake and to eat it too? Justice Minister Rudy Croes has stuck his foot in his mouth maybe one too many times. Nelson Oduber, the Aruban Prime Minister, made the following comment,“Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands.”
While you are on the topic of and unsatisfactory government, would the Dutch like to comment on some other aspects of the Aruban infrastructure that is unsatisfactory? Like say their investigation processes into crimes against tourists where prominent people on Aruba are suspects?
Amigoe, Sept. 18, 2007: The Netherlands: ‘Governmental power of Aruba unsatisfactory’
ORANJESTAD – The Netherlands wants a dialogue with Aruba about the differences in opinion on the desired autonomy and the governmental power of the island.
The Netherlands has noticed that ‘regularly there are indications of governmental incidents’ and the governmental power qualifies as unsatisfactory. Same arrangements on good governance must therefore be made with Aruba as with the Antillean islands on their way to a new political structure.
This is stated in Chapter IV Kingdom Relations of the Dutch 2008 budget presented to the Dutch Parliament today.
Aruban ministers have often declared themselves openly in favour of independence. Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) said that he is ashamed of his Dutch passport and that he prefers an Aruban one. Also Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had the word independence in his mouth recently, when the Plant NV deal failed. He even forbid his civil servants to take part in the negotiations regarding the new political structure of the Antilles. In the meantime, the Aruban government seems to be seeking rapprochement again. The governor said last week during the opening of the new parliamentary session that the government strives for strengthening the ties with the partners within the Kingdom.
The Netherlands now wants a dialogue with Aruba to improve the island’s government and tie this into conversations on political adjustment and conversations on the cooperation program that comes to an end in 2009. However, Aruba would like the Netherlands to continue participating in the Fondo Desaroyo Aruba (FDA). But up till now, the Netherlands has been varying her expressions on this. There is a political deliberation on the continuation of the development relation in the fall of 2007.
The maintenance of law and order program is part of this and will be included in the discussion. Important point of interest is the immigration policy, according to the Netherlands.
The support from the Netherlands for the public finances will continue. The dept-quote is anticipated to increase with one percent this year to 47.5 percent of the gross domestic product (BBP). The real growth in relation to the BBP is estimated on 1.5 to 2 percent. The Netherlands bases herself on the figures of the Central Bank of Aruba. “
As part of promoting the autonomy of the Kingdom partners, it is of great importance that the countries are not too dependent of third parties financially. This is expressed in a reduction of the debt-quote of both countries.” The Netherlands is also of the opinion that thanks to a favourable economic development, the Aruban government can have the budget deficit under control with some specific measures.
As part of the political renewals, the Solidarity fund between the islands of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba will be canceled out. This is a financial benefit of 4 million euro for Aruba that can be put in the FDA.
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I note that something is likely to come to a head in this autumn, according to the article: “There is a political deliberation on the continuation of the development relation in the fall of 2007.”
Also scheduled for this autumn (after many delays): the Texas Equusearch water search.
Also scheduled for this autumn: the Dutch decision on what to do in the Natalee Holloway case.
Methinks that events are coming to a head … and that there is some kind of relationship among all of these things. Perhaps there is more riding on Tim Miller and his crew than any of us suspected.
Let’s face it….Aruba is one big black eye for the Netherlands. Corrupt beyond repair.
Meanwhile, the KLPD sit on their hands in the Netherlands trying to figure out how to report on their “review” of the case….I can just imagine being a fly on the wall….Do we wash our hands of this and state that upon ‘review’ there is not enough evidence?…or, Do we give a full report of all of the inconsistencies and clear cover-up actions that were taken by PVDS, ALE, Aruban/Curacao judges, Karin Janssen, etc., etc.?
What a cluster and what a dilemma. Perhaps the KLPD is leaning towards #2 and that is why the Netherlands would like a complete split….they no longer want their name associated with “Crime Island”.
md
there is more riding on tim miller’s search than any of us can foresee. there is also more riding on the decision of klpd and aruban successful resolution of natalee’s case than any of us can foresee.
dennisintn
The Boycott roll’s On!!!Hey they cut the Juice loose in Vegas!!!Bad idea right?
Oh man, this sounds like the top of the pimple is about to burst if given one tiny squeeze….Please Let there be JUSTICE for NATALEE and her family and for the 20 girls before Natalee…Come to Atlantic City and stand up for Natalee…..
It does sound like things are taking a turn…let’s hope Tim finds Natalee and justice is finally served. I think the Netherlands has taken a real good look at the gov’t and ale in Aruba and the way things have been handled. I guess their polite word for corruption is unsatisfactory.
And it doesn’t need to be repeated … but Vicki is doing an excellent job of keeping people informed about the next moves of Aruba Tourism Authority.
Folks, this is our ONE CHANCE of really delivering a body blow to Aruba … showing up to protest their presence in our country.
Let’s not neglect it.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
Good expression, Vicki … the top of the pimple is about to burst.
In my long-vanished adolescence, I had lots of pimples. Aruba and its government are the pus that causes them (it’s an odious metaphor, but the place is even more sickening). Boycott!
Vicki, LOL, good visualization.
Perhaps there is more riding on the Scared Monkeys posters who wrote letters to Dutch authorities as well, than any of us suspected!?
Alantic City when?
For late night reading>>>>>>>>>>>>..
GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has full autonomy on all internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, and some judicial functions. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba’s judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.
Principal Government Officials
Governor General–Fredis J. Refunjol
Prime Minister–Nelson O. Oduber
Deputy Prime Minister–Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Labor, Culture, Integration, Community Development & Sports–T.F. Ramon Lee
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs–Nilo J.J. Swaen
Minister of General Affairs and Foreign Relations–Nelson O. Oduber
Minister of Social Affairs and Public Works–Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Public Health and Environment–Candelario A.S.D. Wever
Minister of Justice–Hyacintho R. Croes
Minister of Tourism & Transportation–Edison Briesen
Minister Plenipotentiary to The Hague–F. Walfrido Croes
Minister Plenipotentiary to Washington, DC–D. Henry Baarh
President, Bank of Aruba–Rob Henriquez
Attorney General–Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra
Isn’t Nelson Odubar (junior) M of GA and FR the son of the Prime Minister?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Aruba
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/govt.html
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/cat/aruba1995.html
“In practice, orders for pre-trial detention are regularly implemented in isolation cells at police stations, because of a lack of space at Aruba’s Penitentiary.” I wonder why there is a lack of space on a safe and happy island?
Articles 64 through and including 115
83. This means that when a State requests the extradition of someone who is suspected of having committed a certain offence, and that person is within the territory of Aruba, the authorities competent to carry out this request will in principle proceed – provided that all the requirements of the convention have been met – to extradite the person concerned to the requesting State. If the person requested possesses Dutch nationality, extradition does not take place. The Netherlands/Antillean Decree on Extradition rules this out. It is in principle possible in such a case, however, for Aruba to take over the prosecution of its own nationals. Such prosecution takes place on the basis of the statutory regulations in the Code of Criminal Procedure, and according to the procedure already referred to under article 6 of the Convention. In a case of this kind, Aruba would gather together all the information from the requesting State that is needed to try the person concerned in Aruba, using the resources of mutual assistance.
This article protects Joran, Groff, Keon, and Sanders but not Deepak, Satish, Freddie, Guido or Michael Dompig.
I still say Geoff is in it up to his eyeballs.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1882376
Late night reading>>>>>>>>>>.
GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has full autonomy on all internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, and some judicial functions. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba’s judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.
Principal Government Officials
Governor General–Fredis J. Refunjol
Prime Minister–Nelson O. Oduber
Deputy Prime Minister–Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Labor, Culture, Integration, Community Development & Sports–T.F. Ramon Lee
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs–Nilo J.J. Swaen
Minister of General Affairs and Foreign Relations–Nelson O. Oduber
Minister of Social Affairs and Public Works–Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Public Health and Environment–Candelario A.S.D. Wever
Minister of Justice–Hyacintho R. Croes
Minister of Tourism & Transportation–Edison Briesen
Minister Plenipotentiary to The Hague–F. Walfrido Croes
Minister Plenipotentiary to Washington, DC–D. Henry Baarh
President, Bank of Aruba–Rob Henriquez
Attorney General–Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra
Isn’t Nelson Odubar (junior) M of GA and FR the son of the Prime Minister?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Aruba
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/govt.html
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/cat/aruba1995.html
“In practice, orders for pre-trial detention are regularly implemented in isolation cells at police stations, because of a lack of space at Aruba’s Penitentiary.” I wonder why there is a lack of space on a safe and happy island?
Articles 64 through and including 115
83. This means that when a State requests the extradition of someone who is suspected of having committed a certain offence, and that person is within the territory of Aruba, the authorities competent to carry out this request will in principle proceed – provided that all the requirements of the convention have been met – to extradite the person concerned to the requesting State. If the person requested possesses Dutch nationality, extradition does not take place. The Netherlands/Antillean Decree on Extradition rules this out. It is in principle possible in such a case, however, for Aruba to take over the prosecution of its own nationals. Such prosecution takes place on the basis of the statutory regulations in the Code of Criminal Procedure, and according to the procedure already referred to under article 6 of the Convention. In a case of this kind, Aruba would gather together all the information from the requesting State that is needed to try the person concerned in Aruba, using the resources of mutual assistance.
This article protects Joran, Groff, Keon, and Sanders but not Deepak, Satish, Freddie, Guido or Michael Dompig.
I still say Geoff is in it up to his eyeballs.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1882376
The Dutch know exactly what they are dealing with..Will they do anything about it? This Aruban Govt is not only pathetic and laughable but they are also as sinsiter as you can get. Anything to protect there good ole boy network and to cover up for one another.
Recently after Holland and Aruba agreed on the sale of of the Plant NV. It turned out later that it was a mistake. Oduber thought that the 151.5 millions were euros, while the Netherlands was talking about florins. LOL!! Are you kidding me??
We all saw the Aruban Supreme Court deny Paul Van Der Sloot money from suing the Govt as it was revealed he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway. It is on record he picked both Joran and Natalee up at 4am..Hours after they told the world she was left at the beach.. Instead of questioning what he was doing with her at 4am they released him as a suspect,shaked his hand and awarded him his own law practice and member of the Aruba Bar. WTF?????
http://tinyurl.com/2mzanj
http://tinyurl.com/2k64ge
http://tinyurl.com/2uzvyx
The Dutch need to full out COMMANDO on that a$$,
and put Senor Spray On Hair In A Can
Rudy “I’m embarrassed to be Dutch” Croes
square on his cellulite pock marked tookus!
This guy is using up valuable oxygen.
THINK GREEN ARUBA !!!
If Natalee was Queen Beatrix’s child, we’d have
already taken Rudy and Nelson and put them in
jail where they belong, or busted a free
complimentary cap in their tighty whiteies.
Come on Aruba, this sh- is getting sick…
How far are u gonna let Grandpa Rudy take
you down? It’s time for the old folks home
where he can sing Kumbaya, and play with
fricken sock puppets.
…
Justice for Natalee!
Boycott
It doesn’t matter what Oduber does, he’s doomed, along with all his ministers. They have been committing crimes against humanity for far too long. No doubt, he will seek the help of the Dutch; but it is highly unlikely the Dutch are going to bail him out.
I got up this morning with the urge to call the State Department and tell them to stop all flights to Aruba.
I fear for anyone going there, especially, now.
.
Boycott Aruba!
So the motherland is keeping Aruba on the dole another year aye…..well i guess its the most prudent thing for the Dutch to prop up public finance’s to keep all or most of the criminal’s right where they are.
Sorry about the double posting.
I see absolutely nothing in this for Natalee’s case.
The Dutch had all the evidence.
The Dutch have Joran.
The Dutch also have Guido and a whole slew of other runaways from Aruba.
People like Karin Jansen went to the Netherlands on ‘vacation’ in the heat of trying to put together the Natalee case.
I do believe, this is one area -The Natalee Case- where The Netherlands and Aruba are on the same side.
****
Tim Miller…he’s a pawn. And pawns do not normally put the King in Checkmate.
#11
Atlantic City-October 30th and 31st
JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Well, I’m hoping that Tim Miller finds Natalee’s body, I don’t think he’d made the trip back, bringing all the special equipment, if he didn’t have a reason. I’m in huge support of Tim returning to Aruba and I wish him well. This is something that we really need to have happen.
Brie – #21:
I agree;
But, right now,
I’m more concerned with the Dutch.
They dug something up in Paulus’ yard…
I think it was Natalee.
.
Justice for Natalee…
Boycott Aruba!
This sounds lovely..
Amsterdam draws curtain on sex industry as red light windows close
Last updated at 13:38pm on 21st September 2007
Amsterdam is set to lose a large chunk of its red light district, after the forced sale of a third of the buildings currently used for prostitution.
With its scantily-clad prostitutes posing in brothel windows and coffee shops oozing the pungent aroma of cannabis smoke, the red light district’s seediness has always been part of its attraction.
But the district is a magnet for petty criminals and, authorities believe, human traffickers, drug lords and mobsters – who take advantage of the situation to launder money.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483075&in_page_id=1811
22 patti: I respect everyones’ opinion and your’s here. What kind of a feeling do you have that Natalee was buried there to begin with.
A feeling, hunch or… I’m definitely curious.
Why does anyone need prostitution available on a family vacation, so obviously, you entertain the young adults or business men…why do they think is right to sell your body…! I was there on a family vacation and it was certainly not an attraction for me.!! That was the worst attraction!!! And the people I met seemed to be ashamed of the red light district..!!!!
1906 – #24:
If I have these people figured out right, they sat through all those interviews by the media and even spoke to Beth, herself… but, went on with the atonement with no conscience at all. And, I’ll tell you, I asked myself why for a long time before I said anything. But, when you consider how long this ritual has been going on, it’s easy to see how they felt safe to go ahead with business as usual.
The film was taken the morning after the atonement. Natalee had been removed from the rock and laid in a bed of bushes so the clean-up crew could do their painting of the rock surfaces in preparation for the next month’s festival.
The bodies are then bagged up and put into the water basin to keep them cool until the furniture truck arrives. The furniture truck then picks up the bodies and they are delivered to their donors. The donors are, then, allowed to eat the blessed lamb.
The point that I want to make by saying all this is that this is so ordinary to them that they didn’t fear reprisal. The furniture truck was as plain as the milkman. This crime wasn’t hidden. It was committed out in public, in a festive atmosphere. I suppose they thought, who are we to spoil their fun?
The younger brother makes reference to chopping off her head in the bathtub (out of the mouths of babes) as if it was a joke told in defiance. But there is nothing that hurts more than the truth. After doing my research, I came to the conclusion that he was, probably, telling the truth. They never thought we would EVER guess what they were doing because it’s just the opposite of how we’re taught. We, truly, are innocent lambs in comparison. He was rubbing our nose in it; so to speak.
Actually, I never thought that Natalee was in the backyard. I thought that would be way to easy to find. I thought she was in the turtle garden, what ever that is. But knowing what we know about their culture, and, after witnessing that attutude in their son; it would make sense that the Van der Sloots had gone ahead with business as usual and buried her just like they had done all the others.
Then I recalled seeing film of the dutch working in that small area between the barn(?) and the house. All of a sudden, they acted like they had found something… they dug a little more and removed it from the ground and put it in a box. At first, I thought they’d found a body; but when I saw the size of the box, I figured it was something else and had pretty much dismissed it. But, now I believe I was wrong.
That’s all…
#25 – here’s a tip: If your bothered by it, don’t go. What did you expect to find in the red light district – red lights?
Who’s the “they” in: “why do they think is right to sell your body…!” If your speaking of the dutch you need to ask yourself why do “we” as well, since the US thinks it right as well. Ever hear of Nevada & Rhode Island?
#22, yeah, Patti..they dug something up in the VDS yard alright; something that made Joran and Paulus laugh. So I personally don’t think it could have been Natalee they dug up.
Paulus was playing around in his garden in the late afternoon/early evening hours of May 31, 2005, after which he said he called Anita to let her know what had been going on. Up until that time Paulus implied Anita didn’t know squat about Natalee. But somehow he couldn’t wait to tell her in person what had been going on; he had to tell her the shocking news over the phone. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Well, if you check it out, a trip from Holland to Aruba has a long layover in the USA during the time Paulus said he made his phone call to Anita. I sure hope he was not just calling while she was in the USA to pick up payment in cash for the job that had been completed.
People think Anita didn’t know what was going on. I think she knew the entire time what was supposed to go down. And I think Paulus came back before her so she would look innocent. IMO, that was probably the real, if not secondarily convenient, reason for her trip, and I will think that until someone can prove when this granny’s birthday really is.
Disgusted Mom – #28
Hey…. what can I say?
Joran and Paulus are retarded…
We give them waaaaaay too much credit.
I agree with you about Anita and without seeing
you, I wouldn’t venture to guess.
Just out of curiousity, when did Paulus and, I
assume, Joran come back from vacation?
P.S.
I don’t mean anything harmful when I say retarded.
Retarded people are usually pretty BIG hearted.
But, these chumps will laugh at ANYTHING.
YoYo
You are wrong again!! Rhode Island doesnt have legal prostitution!! WHat are you talking about?
NATALEE, IS IN THE SEA…..!!!
No shit Sherlock!!
….#27…It F W
Brie, that is what Tim Miller and Art Wood believe. Hopefully the ocean search will clarify this issue; either it yields the results that these people expect, or it does not.
If the former, then many ideas voiced here will be in error.
But if the latter ….
#31 Observer say: “You are wrong again!! Rhode Island doesnt have legal prostitution!! WHat are you talking about?”
Observer – In Rhode Island, indoors prostition is LEGAL. The act of prostitution is legal as long as it happens indoors (escort service,massage parlors etc). Street solicitation is illegal.
Do your homework before you type!!! Your apology is accepted.
I believe anywhere ALE mentions as a clue to where Natalee was/is is misinformation.
And since the only possibility they have not mentioned is that Natalee was SOLD, well, it makes that option more believable in my mind.
As far as the SOLD option goes though, I don’t necessarily think she was sold for permanent or long term slavery. I think it was a one-night thing and it went horribly wrong. And I don’t think it was the first time they’d sold a tourist or a local girl for a one-nighter.
One of Joran’s favorite lines -which was adopted by others involved- was that Natalee’s parents were not acting like normal parents. That’s right….not shutting up about your missing loved one is not normal, which means shutting up when told to IS normal? IMO, there were others who did not want the attention drawn to the crime their loved one was sucked into; they went silently away acting like ‘normal parents’.
Go have a beer, she’ll show up.
How much money do you have?
If you don’t let me run the investigation the way I want (need) to, I’ll call the whole thing off (not get your daughter back).
All this over ONE GIRL!
Etc….
Callous disregard for females in favor of men having fun with them..it is an obvious chorus line (no pun intended with the Aruba Can’t Can’t).
#36….um, Prostitution is not legal in the USA at all! Selling of sex is not legal in the USA at all!
Just look at all those Madams with those books full of clients. They try to pass sex off as being consenual after meeting just to have an escort or something not illegal. But they don’t get away with that farce.
YOYO is nothing more than a Pathetic TROLL. Let it starve.
Because Tim Miller doesn’t find her in the water, doesn’t mean she wasn’t put in the water. It’s been 2 years and a few storms in between. My neighbor, when I was growing up killed his wife, because she was divorcing him. They had money, but it was mostly inherited land of hers from her family. He burned her body and threw her skull in the river. They never did find it, but he was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. Nonetheless, her remains were still in the River.
I’ve been reading parts of Beth’s book. I agree with what she said KJ said,, she thought this was a sex crime gone bad involving at least one of the Kalpoes, with Paulus, Straten and Jacob’s handprints all over it.
Natalee said I’m going back to my hotel, she didn’t say I want to go sit in the dark at 3am on a beach in a foreign country to look at stars.
This story was thought up during the time between the first night Beth arrived and when the guards were arrested. They knew Beth saw Natalee didn’t return, so when Deepak, Joran and Satish are all gathered getting together with Paulus, this was the new story they invented. No cameras at the beach, so they didn’t have to worry about what the cameras showed. I also remember Deepak said he accidently shot his mouth off about sports shoes, the night they were all at the Holiday Inn with Beth and Jug, trying to identify the guards. The beach story is Paulus’s and Joran’s.
It all goes back though to Deepak telling Mickey Johns, the father, family, Joran and them all sat around the pool and made the Holiday Inn story up. Joran used that on the first night the cops showed up. Prior to that moment, it was not known or public that Natalee did anything but get on her flight and go back to Alabama.. The meeting around the pool had to take place before Beth and Jug arrived. So why would they be sitting around making up a story with all kinds of sexual details, about 2 men getting her, her hitting her head and falling down and attacking Joran and letting 2 men sit in jail for murder and kidnapping, before it’s even made public she’s missing? I also believe the Hitler and Slave remarks came from Paulus IMO, to turn people against the victim.
The Netherlands is simply waiting to see if Tim Miller or anyone else turns anything up. They are waiting for US citizens to “forget” and then they will quietly close the case.
IMHO the only way the perps will pay for their crimes against Natalee is if someone connected with the Holloway Twitty family find their own evidence. The longer Natalee stays in the News, the longer the case will remain open.
Oh, they all made up stories and excuses to turn people against Natalee. Natalee certainly didn’t deserve all the comments made by Joran and Deepak. “Fok der Bitch” and “She acted like a slut”. And there were more, Jacobs muttered comments under his breath. Nelson says, “I am sick and tired of this case”. Croes says, Somebody shut that woman up”. Sounds like no one was interested in solving the case. I think there interest in American young women is use them and abuse them.
#35…Richard, the thoughts of Natalee being in the sea may be in error, but we still need to look. I don’t discount the idea that she may have been abducted, especially when Jacobs says, “How money have you got”. I know your a great believer in Natalee’s abduction because you know about Amy Bradley, disappeared in Curacao. And the first attempt was wanting her to go to Carlos n Charlie’s. The background on the owner and his connection in Florida and Mexico is certainly not credible. Neither is Posner’s!
It’s been said that because of Natalee’s popularity in the media she wouldn’t be abducted. I don’t believe that, I think it would of made her more desirable to those that want to hurt American’s. It’s cruel, harsh and mean…and she would be worth alot of money.!!!
I was really hoping to go to Atlantic City but unfortunately at this time, I’m unable to attend. Maybe I can catch another one at a later time! I would really like to help!
YoYo
Your a lost cause as not even worthy anymore of responding to..You havent been right about anything and your a joke..Prostitution of any kind is not legal in RI
#41 Katablog said “IMHO the only way the perps will pay for their crimes against Natalee is if someone connected with the Holloway Twitty family find their own evidence.”
My feelings exactly! Which is the very reason for making the body disappear. ALE knew if they found a body, after discerning cause of death for their own jurisdictional purposes, they’d have to hand the body over to the FBI that would do forensics on it and find out what really happened to Natalee.
The FBI would be able to trace Natalee’s downward spiral and find out what actually killed her. They would be able to determine time of death. And if she were found in water, they’d be able to say how long she’d been there. There’d be so many clues in a proper forensics examination, maybe even the finding of a size 14 KSwiss mark or marks on her body and head, or maybe a drug injection site somewhere Natalee could not have reached herself.
IMO, there’s some important reason why the body was never to be found, and I don’t believe a bunch of kids would know the extremes the FBI could go to in discovering what happened to Natalee.
A bunch of kids would just think cuts, bruises, rape, drugs, anything -even a size 14 KSwiss toe print, they could just say someone else did after they left Natalee alone on the beach. A bunch of kids would not have gone back to get Natalee off the beach. They’d have just said, Wow, who did that? And ALE would have said, It’s a mystery!
IMO, the body was permanently gotten rid of because someone knew the FBI would be able to contradict the coverup and didn’t want the FBI to get their hands on it. And that someone was not a kid.
And when you think about what they would not want the FBI to find, it’s easy to see it’s not rape, or drugs, or being beaten up (unless a size 14 KSwiss mark was involved) because all that could be blamed on someone else or Natalee herself.
It’s not likely to be a gun shot either because a gun can be disposed of so the shooter could not be charged definitely.
IMO, the fear is Time of Death, both in the beginning and ever since because the FBI could tell if she’d been moved, how long she’d been in her final resting place, etc….and I personally think, if she’s dead, Natalee was alive when Beth got to the island and she died in captivity while Paulus and Jan were trying to figure a way out for Joran, thus making Paulus implicit in her actual death.
If she’s not dead, then the Sold theory is viable; however, since Joran says She is probably dead BY NOW, maybe she might be BY NOW, but only if the liablity outweighted the income from USA hating perverts who want to get over on America by continuing to pay for Natalee. I don’t think though, in that case, too many pervs would be allowed to see her. It would have to be a trusted and repetitive group, maybe even ONE Perv, like that jerk from Venezuela (something of that magnitude and ability to actually keep her hidden)
It would have been easy to tell Natalee they would put her on a private plane back to Alabama if she promised not to make a fuss of what happened to her. Of course, they would not trust her not to tell, so the plane goes somewhere else. Who would know? Except the person who flew the plane and the person who hired the pilot.
Do you all remember when Steve Croes got out of jail and he had that guy with him in the car who had to catch a flight? Wonder where he was going? And you gotta wonder why he had time to be with SC when he could have most likely gotten to the airport (or landing strip, or heliport) some other less contrained way.
So, I don’t know if my last post is going to show up or what. Usually after I post I get this message that it is awaiting moderation, but this time I get nothing. What’s going on?
Even if my post does show up later, I still would like to know why the delay?
Does this happen to everyone? Or just a selected few?
And if just a selected few, then what makes me have to be one of them?
I’d really like answers to these questions, because if it’s a universal thing, fine; but if the board does not trust me personally to post here, I don’t have to.
Be honest with me, Klass. What’s the deal?
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SM: The spam filter looks for spam in certain ways. Sometimes when a post is really long or has alot of links the spam filter detects it as spam. I try to take any “real” posts out of the spam folder whenever I see them. Has nothing to do with not trusting your post, it’s spam filter thing. Normally the spam filter works quite well, you should see all the spam it catches. (klaasend)
#46 – “You havent been right about anything and your a joke..Prostitution of any kind is not legal in RI”
It stings when your wrong, doesn’t it? Resorting to 3 grade name calling…to be expected.
Read it genius:
http://www.projo.com/news/content/prostitution_04-05-07_7754PHA.356ccc0.html
#40, maggie, you’re right on there, kid.
dennisintn
Please do not feed the TROLLS it just gives them an excuse to come back with more stupidity.
…51..Dave..Trolls are mean and nasty…that’s been proven!!! More than once!!! Just ignore them!!!! They’re a pain in the a#s. It’s a friend of a Joran’s….!!!
#48. Thanks Klass! I really do appreciate the time you took to explain that!
This site doesn’t need mean and hatred people that want to do damage to the case of finding Natalee….difference of opinion and worthwhile suggestions….YES…but TROLLS are not welcome here! Always stirring up trouble..and a hatred look on life…they’re a true pain in the b**t. And I’m really tired of reading there crap!! Joran your few posters need to “shut up”. Your sick and so are your posters!!!!
We’re going to prosecute your butt Joran along with Daddy…and his coherts!!!!!Natalee deserves JUSTICE it will be served…You don’t have to have to find a body to be convicted of murder..!
Our gov’t needs to take control of this island concerning the disappearance of Natalee.. a punk kid without any discipline offered to take Natalee back to her hotel. She had seen him at the Holiday Inn at the pool and believed he was an exchange student. Posner owns this hotel and where is his security on allowing islanders to be on the grounds.
Peruse this if you think there is no prostitution on Aruba.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iamdougsphotos/393566894/
And then we have Nevada and Rhode Island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
Nothing like someone jumping late into the fray.
There’s prostitution on Aruba, but Natalee was not an employee there, so what was the point.!
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i would like to know what the neth/gov do for kida in arUba. i have see the country side and havw seen many chuildren with no receration i would like to help those kids in the out lying of aruba.to help girls and boys like a club for kids and children NOT JUST GAMBLING AND STARLITE ENVORIMENT I HAVE VISTIED ARUBA AND SEEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY SIDE I SEE A NEED FOR THE nethralnds TO HELP THE CHILDERE, IN ARUBA
PLEASE HELP THE KIDS IN ARUBA IT IS NOT ALL GAMBELLINO AND FOU A HAVE SEEN TO WHOLE COUNTY SIDE MY DAUGHTER IN LAW WAS FROM THERE