RSSAruban Justice Minister, “he is ashamed of having a Dutch passport”
Duel passports being the next step toward independence, so says Justice Minister Rudy Croes. If it were only that simple. It takes a lot more than a symbolic gesture to be independent. If one wished to be independent wouldn’t they first have to stop relying on others when tasks become to difficult? Wouldn’t that mean that one would be self-sufficient? Independence comes at a greater price than stating one has an Aruban passport.
Amigoe: June 7, 2007; Croes: ‘Aruban passport next to the Dutch one’
ORANJESTAD – Justice-minister and second vie-Prime Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) is of the opinion that Aruban citizens must have dual passports: an Aruban and a Dutch one. He calls this the next step in the phase for an independent Aruba .
He uses as example of the inhabitants of Canada and Australia that have the right on a British passport. As independent states, both countries are part of the British Commonwealth of Nations, the former British Commonwealth , with the British Queen as symbolic leader. Both countries are therefore examples for Aruba , said Croes. “We can also be an independent sovereignty with two passports and one queen.” He concluded that a double nationality must not sound strange to the Netherlands; they have two state secretaries, of which one has a Turkish nationality (Justice, Nebahat Albayrak) and the other has a Moroccan nationality (Social Affairs, Ahmed Aboutaleb). Last month he said that he is ashamed of having a Dutch passport. He said that in connection with the verdict of the Supreme Court that ruled in favour of the lesbian couple Oduber-Lamers, which means that Aruba has to acknowledge the marriage between two persons of the same sex.
DUAL NATIONALITY
Canadian and Australian citizens do not automatically get a British passport. In the past, the people of these countries had the British nationality, until they introduced own nationality laws. Canada did this in 1947 and many citizens have dual nationality since then.
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WHAT??? Rudy makes me ashame to be an Aruban.
Btw how is everyone?? Klaasend, I hope you’re doing well:) take care everybody.
Rudy,
You ought to be ashamed of the cover up
on your island and the fact that two years later,
in spite of having the four main suspects clearly
within your sight, you still have not given Natalee JUSTICE.
Hi, Arubaanse,
Good to hear from you.
Hope all is well with you!
RUDY makes me want to throw up
Arubaanse, good to see you here again.
If Aruba is as independent of the Netherlands as some persons like to tell us, how is it that it continues to have Dutch passports at all? Does that not attest to the fact that it is not yet independent?
Is Aruba stricken by a profound identity crisis, not knowing who or what it wants to be? Somewhat like the petulant early adolescent who loudly asserts his independence and bawls and wails for attention and respect, even as he knows he couldn’t cut the mustard on his own?
That’s okay, Mr. Croes … I expect a lot of Arubans are ashamed of you and your government. Why don’t you keep quiet and do something useful … like help find out what happened to Natalee Holloway?
Ah, but I forget … you’re justice minister, and things like that aren’t related to you or your position.
Arubaanse,
Boyyy you really must be busy, I hardly ever see
you anymore.
I hope all is well with u!
How everyone:) I’ve been very busy with school and everything:D
To answer richard’s question about our dutch passport.
We used to be part of the Netherlands antilles but we became independent in 1986. So we are still part of the Dutch Kingdom. That’s why we have dutch nationality.
Arubaanse,
Welcome back! Glad to hear from you!
Stay with us!
oke ahahhahaha, i don’t think i explained it well hahah.
Well the dutch kingdom exist now in 3 parts: first the Netherlands, the netherlands antilles and Aruba.
It used to be Netherlands and the Netherlands antilles cuz Aruba was still part of Netherlands Antilles. So in 1986 we became independent from the Netherlands antilles but not from the Netherlands.
oke everybody take care,
bye!!
Arubaanse, let me ask one thing more.
That article seems to intimate that Rudy Croes is next in line to the prime minister; that if something should happen to Mr. Oduber, he assumes the reins of power in Aruba.
Is that accurate? And is it automatic?
(If anyone’s wondering, I’m not planning anything; I’m just perplexed that someone who is that close to being premier could be so loose with his mouth. Are we to assume that he is saying what Oduber dares not say himself?
If so, can we assume that some kind of message is being sent, possibly in relation to Natalee’s case?
And would the Dutch be glad or sad for Aruba to break off?)
The DUTCH should be ashamed that he has a Dutch passport!
Fritz – I so wanted to post that. You beat me to it.
Today in Amigoe: Tourism up 15% from last year. Such a boycott.
Klaas, I didnt write 12 or 13 however they are right…[notice I put a capitol V for my name….is it another Vicki??? or a troll?
#16
Look’s like it is just about time to start a real Boycott. All potential travelers to Aruba should know the hell this family has been through the last two years.
#16 — who’s kiddin’ who!?!
up 15% in what????
Revenue??? — NO
Overnight visitors??? — NO
Cruise Ship Visitors??? — NO
Dutch KLPD???? — there you go!!!
Probably the drug peddlers are coming to Aruba in force. Make hay while the sun shines, as they say ….
Going out of town this weekend, so see y’all Monday.
Hello our Miss Arubanse;
Hope you are well.I am good,could be better.
Rudy is just making himself look like an jackas*.
But, he is rather good at that isn’t he ?
He must be an embarassment to Oduber and the rest of them.
Take care sweetie. ( Hey, I am a Grandma, I call many ppl sweetie ) And come back and talk to us more ! !
this is probably the first time the Dutch and Rudy ever agreed on anything – I imagine they are also embarrassed that he holds a dutch passport.
Did any of our Dutch friends
see Jensen today?
Anita’s “Delicious Sporter” was scheduled to be on.
I am interested in knowing what questions
Jensen asked him. Did he put Joran on the spot ?
Could you please give us a recap?
Thanks in advance.
I think they call that treason
Just for the hell of it, I’m going to put here “Natalee’s song, written on Memorial Day, with some modest revisions.
I think the tune is a kind of hybrid between “John Brown’s Body” and “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.”
Her darling life was taken by those filthy three.
The devil chuckled at the torments they will see.
The angels sobbed with grief — but later joined in glee
To welcome Natalee!
(chorus)
Glory, glory, Hallelujah!
Glory, glory, Hallelujah!
Glory, glory, Hallelujah!
HER truth is marching on!
Now our boycott makes Arubans all afraid;
Wretched curs, to whine to those who you betrayed!
Let this message leave you trembling and dismayed –
We’ll fight for Natalee!
(chorus)
Fellow Americans, it’s up to me and you:
Sing this anthem loud to Oduber and crew.
To save your island, here’s what we want from you –
Justice for Natalee!
(chorus)
We will stand by Beth and Dave forevermore,
Warning people from Aruba’s loathesome shore.
Let them wail and weep; on them we’ll slam the door
For love of Natalee!
(chorus)
Ok, Julia Ward Beecher I’m not. What the heck ….
from what I have heard the little turd will be on Jensen on Friday.
____________
SM:
Thanks!
Anyone notice that Beth has the same lawyer as John Ramsey? That being Linn Wood. Could this be why certain people disappeared lately? Has Linn Wood put the word out on people slandering this woman? I sure hope so. I know this is being discussed in the forum and this might be the answer.
That ain’t all he should be ashamed of!
Who is Jensen? And why would anyone want to interview the sack of lies?
OKAY RICHARD, we need to move with it. The truth is marching on!!!Thank You!!! Splendid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, it’s Friday night and the predators on on patrol. The pimp club has obligations too meet, stay together, watch your drink and don’t leave with strangers. Best of all, leave the island and don’t return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our FBI needs to take another close look? This time arrest and convict. Ignore the ALE and it’s so called frail investigation. They do not handle crime on this island, they are not equipped, nor do they care to be. I feel that the people of Aruba would like justice served. Even though there are frightened to express their opinions. Blame your down fall on Joran, the one that controls your island!
I think all Aruban’s have reached a point in time, where they hold Joran responsible, yet they don’t know what to do. Your ALE and goverment is not going to help. A demonstration would of helped, but who wants to a victim of the cave. Aruba was a safe island at one time.. Beautiful and unique. You can thank Joran , everyone’s wanna be paradise.
i hope he gets his wish, and they become independent.Then I will laugh when Aruba turns into Suriname.They will no longer have the luxury of going to USA CANADA and Europe VISA free!Then they will realize what a privelage it was to have had Dutch citizenship.These guys can not handle a police investigation let alone a country.
TGIF everybody!
http://tinyurl.com/2e2s8s
-j4n
#25 Good job, Richard. You are very passionate
in fighting for Natalee’s justice. You da man!
…
Hey, didja ever sing the WRONG LYRICS
to a song… singing aloud the lyrics YOU
THOUGHT WERE CORRECT?
For years growing up
I thought “Glory Glory Hallelujah”
Was “Glory Glory, Had A Loo Ya!!!”
I was like, DAMN… I don’t know who Glory is
…but apparently she definitely Had A Loo Ya!
That really sucks, oh the poor lady…
we need to get her some help.
…..
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
wahooooo
CArpe, my goodness how funny you are…Good thing I had swallowed my coffee before I read your post…hahahahaha
Richard, your song is beaytiful..Thank you and have a great time wherever you are going.
That creep scares me..can you imagine seeing him in a dark alley?He is almost as UGLY as M1P6…
# 16: surely you recognize propaganda when it’s staring you in the face . it’s already been stated ( by your leaders) that aruba has suffered greatly by the boycott. and will continue to suffer as long as it takes .
#27 Beth & John have the same lawyer and have became good friends. They have even been seen out for dinner together. Beth & John both share a tie that I hope to never have a child who has been murdered, and missing. I think it is nice they both can have someone to talk with that can really understand how they feel. Who knows maybe they will join forces and do lots of good work for missing, murdered, and abused children. And who knows maybe a little happeness for themselfs.
http://tinyurl.com/2ppXff
Recompensa!
Diario spread.
http://tinyurl.com/2wavhm
Rough Translation:
ORANJESTAD – in the morning booklet dia Rio staatn again
paginagrote advertisements with a reward of 450,000 florin
for valuable tips concerning the teenager disappeared
Natalee Holloway. The advertisement comes two years after
American without a trace disappeared during a holiday on
Aruba. 7 Jun, 2007, 17.14
38. Super Dave
____________________
I do believe that Gary has forgotten …. if the Aruban people collectively are not going to support Natalee Holloway’s parents in their quest for a just investigation into the disappearance of their precious daughter then … an ongoing boycott is the only tool that has the ability to put pressure on the “powers that be” to back away from the obvious cover up and … reveal the truth.
Beth Twitty – CBS NEWS
“The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty.
.
Dave Holloway – On the Record w/Greta
HOLLOWAY: ……. I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can’t help you anymore.
.
Senator French – Alabama News
“It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation,” French said
i wonder if rudy has set the “under the table” price for an aruban passport. lots of people probably willing to pay for an aruban passport but not able to get a dutch one.
dennisintn
Hey Jordy!
I saw yas mammy wearing a thong
down at Palm Beach today.
It looked like Dumbo got caught in a slingshot!
http://tinyurl.com/367r7X
Justice 4 Natalee, sucka.
Biba Aruba
Cu Propio Pasaporte den man
Bo ke pa tur hende sa cuanto bo ta stima bo Pais?
Bo ke pa tur hende sa unda e ta situa?
Bo ke cante, promove, propagande
pa tur hende sinti hopi gana di conoce?
Biaha cu bo Pasaporte Arubano den bo man,
mundo rond , Abo ya ta cla?
Ami si tin su kaft diseña, tur cla pa imprimi !
Wardando cu hopi impaciencia, ansiosamente
riba e Gobierno y Parlamento di mi Pais,
pa pronto nan keda cla cu su contenido,
y tur legislacion nacional necesario pa e keda introduci,
pa mi book pasashinan pa biaha cu sea avion, barco o trein
pasando di pais pa pais, di continente pa continente,
pa unda cu mi yega pa con leu cu por ta,
mi invita tur hende bin conoce mi dushi isla tan stima!
Como un Arubiano di alma y curazon
Frankly I can’t believe the legs of this story as been carried out for so long. The people of Aruba have demonstrated from the beginning the concern for this missing person. With all the most standard and bizarre methods for the quest Natalee all have rendered fruitless. Had this happened in anytown USA chances would be this sotry would have died with a few short months with less effort as has been done this country. Can some one give a logical reason to boycott an island other for the purpose to vent your anger and frustration?
You just keep telling yourself that #46.
THE BOYCOTT IS WORKING GUYS!!!!!
I think the baloons are a great idea for the Travel Show in New Orleans!
How many times dowe have to say COVER-UP. Your “authorities” decided to do the wrong thing. They slandered a most likely dead girl and her family. They put up roadblocks every step of the way to protect others. Maybe you should think about boycotting this government that allows such a thing, instead of telling us to forget it already.
balloons too**
(at first i thought i typed baboons)
why couldn’t it be both?~
Baboon’s with balloons!~
Hey here’s another idea…blow up balloon’s that have all our perps faces on them, put em up on a board and let passer’s by pay 2 bucks to throw darts at em and the money goes towards the upcoming TES seafloor search!
#46 In the US…
The slaughtering, gang-raping
Van der sloot butchers would be
brought in after a 3 am Police
raid on their house.
…and if they were found to be lying
whilst making official police statements…
they’d have their disrepectful, slime bag
a$$es put away for awhile, just on those
charges alone!
I betcha they’d also
reel in Anita, for
being herself.
(lying fat sack of methane)
Do you know why mrs.Eleanor Roosevelt came to visit Aruba in 1944 during W.W.2?
Was Aruba so important for the American people?
Dear #47, I realise that perhaps the initial downturn was not because of NH, but the simple fact that market turndown, rising gas prices have put out alot of American families from affordable cruises or carribbean vacations. Oh well tough luck but you did vote for your leader .. ’nuff said…
Found an interesting article in Wikepedia…perhaps you SM need to quickly slant this pronto…
The Twittys and their supporters have criticized the lack of progress by Aruban police.[53] Aruban officials and non-U.S. press have attributed their criticism as a lack of understanding of Dutch judicial procedures employed on the island.[citation needed] The Twittys’ own actions in Aruba have also been criticized, and the Twittys have been accused of actively stifling any evidence that would impugn their daughter’s character by asking her fellow students to remain silent about the case and using their access to the media to push their own version of events. The Twittys have denied this. While initially the Twittys discouraged a travel boycott of Aruba, this changed by September 2005. Beth Twitty urged that persons not travel to Aruba (and other Dutch territories) because of what she stated were tourist safety issues. Alabama Governor Bob Riley, joined by the Twittys, urged Alabamians and others to boycott Aruba on November 8, 2005 in a news conference.[54] He also wrote to other United States governors seeking their support–the governors of Georgia and Arkansas eventually joined in the call for boycott. The Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, city council voted to ask the governor of Pennsylvania to call for a boycott. [55] He did not do so. The call for boycott received no federal support.[56]
Members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruba Tourism Authority, the Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation, the Aruban Chamber of Commerce and government figures, including Public Relations Representative Ruben Trappenberg, formed an “Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force” to respond collectively to what they perceived to be unfounded and/or negative portrayals of the island.[57] The group issued press releases and sent representatives to appear in news media. They joined the Aruban government in opposing the calls for a boycott of the island.
Love and Peace
Arise, then, women of this day! Arise all women who have hearts, whether our baptism be that of water or of fears!……………….
In the name of womanhood and of humanity, I earnestly ask that a general congress of women without limit of nationality may be appointed and held at some place deemed most convenient and at the earliest period consistent with its objects, to promote the alliance of the different nationalities, the amicable settlement of international questions, the great and general interests of peace.
Mothers’ Day Proclamation: Julia Ward Howe, Boston, 1870
If you judge people, you have no time to love them.
Mother Teresa
America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.
John Quincy Adams
Prayer begins where human capacity ends.
Marian Anderson
We cannot change the past, but we can change our attitude toward it. Uproot guilt and plant forgiveness. Tear out arrogance and seed humility. Exchange love for hate — thereby, making the present comfortable and the future promising.
Maya Angelou
Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it stands than to anything on which it is poured.
Anonymous
Exactly 52
…….
What kind of a moronic, POS, 3rd world country would
invent a task force to do media spin control, when
money and energy resources could be directed to
finding Natalee Holloway?
I’ll tell ya who.
ANSWER:
THE TOURIST MURDERING,
SERIAL LYING, GANG-RAPING
ISLAND OF DEATH / ARUBA!
Home to the THE ORANJESTAD
CORPSE REMOVAL & EXTRACTION SQUAD.
> Home to the gang-raping,
murdering, Van der sloots & Kalpoes,
who enjoy attacking and brutalizing young,
helpless, female tourists.
–
ARUBA, NO THANKS! Your game has played out
and you’re out of tokens. You have your blood
thirsty Van der sloots and Kalpoe sexual
predators to thank
for it. -j4n
Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it stands than to anything on which it is poured.
Anonymous
Facts about dual citizenship:
Dual citizenship (being a citizen of two nations), or dual nationality, is by far the most common type of multiple citizenship, as nothing in international law prevents anyone from establishing citizenship in two countries.
An estimated sixty percent of Swiss nationals living abroad in 1998 were dual citizens. Approximately 89 countries in the world officially allow some form of dual or multiple citizenship. In the United States it is estimated that millions of Americans are also citizens of other countries. Although Germany has a very restrictive nationality law, it does allow dual citizenship under certain circumstances and the number of dual-citizens was estimated at 1.2 million in 1994 . …..
The Republic of Ireland extends its citizenship laws to Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom. Therefore, most people born in Northern Ireland who are British citizens just like people born else where in the United Kingdom may, if they wish, exercise an entitlement to Irish citizenship by simply applying for an Irish passport. Most people born in Northern Ireland may hold either a British passport or an Irish passport or both. See Irish nationality law and British nationality law.
• In European Union law there is the concept of EU citizenship which flows from citizenship of a member state.
• The Commonwealth of Nations has a Commonwealth citizenship for the citizens of its members. Some member states (such as the UK) allow non-nationals who are Commonwealth citizens to vote and stand for election while resident there. However, other member states make little or no distinction between citizens of other Commonwealth nations and citizens of non-Commonwealth nations.
Being a citizen of more than one country can have many advantages as it allows to draw various citizenship benefits from multiple sources. This includes the rights to establish residence, to work, and to acquire property, educational opportunities, eligibility for various government subsidies, including healthcare and retirement, etc. However, it is prudent to realize that each citizenship carries also responsibilities and obligations and that being a citizen of another country may be a liability. There are a number of categories where potential problems call for caution or even for obtaining professional legal counsel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_citizenship
Exactly 54, found another country or state that does just that Oh my god is in the US..sorry to dissapoint.
Two Connecticut tourists were abducted and robbed at gunpoint shortly after midnight Sunday morning after a Downtown Disney shopping trip.
According to the Orange County Sheriffs Office, a man in a black Volkswagen Jetta called out a question to the couple, who were staying at a Disney resort, as they walked through the parking lot at the entertainment-and-shopping hotspot.
When they stopped to answer, the couple, Justin Stetzer, 20, and Jessica Dellacamera, 20, both of Branford, Conn., were forced into the car at gunpoint.
Deputies said that three men inside the Jetta drove the tourists to a gas station and forced Stetzer to withdraw money from an ATM. After stopping at an unknown location, the men took the couple to a remote location near an Osceola County landfill.
They forced the couple out of the car and beat them, striking Stetzer in the head with a handgun. But the two fought back against their attackers, and in the scuffle, the gun discharged.
That scared the men, who panicked and fled.
According to deputies, Stetzer and Della camera walked to nearby Kissimmee home and called the police. They were not seriously injured.
The men were able to leave with both the cash and the purchases the couple left behind.
Disney spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez declined to say which resort the pair was staying at or how much longer they would remain in Florida. She said that Disney officials were working with the two “to take care of their immediate needs.”
The difference is that the perps were not the sons of the Disney resort owner who was friends with the police chief.
Good thing you read the story coz you can see that the resort DID NOT TRASH THE TOURIST VICTIMS.
ARUBA KILLS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc4YvAbMqcU
“Can some one give a logical reason to boycott an island other for the purpose to vent your anger and frustration?”
The boycott is an economic tool to put Aruban authorities on notice.
Aruba will not get away with denying justice to a tourist. Aruba will not
get away with covering up crimes against a tourist.
Aruba created its own negative publicity.
It doesn’t matter which day of the
week you pick! They have all received the
word about the gang-raping, innocent teenage girl
murdering Van der sloots and Kalpoes of Aruba!!!
EVERYBODY KNOWS, & NOBODY IS WILLING
TO RISK THE LIVES OF THEIR FAMILIES ANYMORE.
Nobody wants to go to Aruba.
It’s a DEATH TRAP.
>LOOK… NOBODY.
http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg
Justice 4 Natalee Holloway
http://tinyurl.com/2u4t4d
I wish to give up my Dutch nationality
How do I do that?
You can only give up your Dutch nationality if you possess another nationality, in other words, if you have dual nationality. You may not become stateless through losing your Dutch nationality.
If you live abroad, you can sign a declaration renouncing your Dutch nationality at the Dutch embassy or consulate. You must go to the embassy or consulate in person to sign the declaration, surrender your Dutch passport and pay the consular fees (€30). It is not possible to do this by post. Once you have signed the declaration you will be given confirmation by the embassy or consulate. If you have minor children, it is possible that they will lose their Dutch nationality too.
If you live in the Netherlands, you can sign the declaration in the municipality where you reside.
• http://www.minbuza.nl/en/welcome/DutchCitizens,dutch_nationality/i_wish_to_give_up_my_dutch_nationality_how_do_i_do_thatx.html
Informations on Mrs Eleanor’s visito to Aruba:
“We drove to the flying field, took leave of the governor and left for Aruba.”
http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/myday/displaydoc.cfm?_y=1944&_f=md056754
ARUBA ESSO NEWS – ELEANOR ROOSEVELT’S VISIT- MARCH 31, 1944
http://www.lago-colony.com/ESSO%20NEWS%20DIRECTORY.htm
Another very famous visitor to Aruba in 1806 bringing with him a group of AMERICAN freedom fighters:
The History of Don Francisco de Miranda’s Attempt to Effect a Revolution
Arrival at Aruba – Manoevering the troops- Remarks
http://books.google.com/books?id=SaIVAAAAYAAJ
Francisco de Miranda y su expedición libertadora de 1806
Texto 6 | Proclamación a los habitantes de Aruba [19]
http://www.institucional.us.es/araucaria/nro16/doc16.htm