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America, are you ready for this Obama “Hope & Change”?
The Barack Obama Administration is floating a plan that would tax individuals vehicles by the mile. Isn’t it amazing that they can continue to come up with new ways to tax Americans, but when it comes to finding sending cuts, they get alligator arms. what will they be taxing next … your dreams.
Obama finds a way to dodge his own vehicle mileage tax
The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.
The plan is a part of the administration’s Transportation Opportunities Act, an undated draft of which was obtained this week by Transportation Weekly.
The White House, however, said the bill is only an early draft that was not formally circulated within the administration.
So now the government is going to track how many miles you drive? As stated by the Lonely Conservative, with gas prices escalating and people checking under their coach cushions for extra money for gas, the Obama Administration is looking to make “We the People” pay even more taxes. UNREAL. Better stated at Weasel Zippers complete with one of the best pics ever … how can I best next destroy the economy.
Obama has a bounce in the polls; however, it won’t take long after continued talk of taxing Americans by the mile, poor jobs creation, escalated first time unemployment claims and rising gas prices … Obama’s poll numbers to sink sooner than later.
Posted May 5, 2011 by Scared Monkeys Barack Obama, Obamanation, Tax & Spend Liberals, Taxes, We the People, WTF | 27 comments |
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STUPID DEMOCRATS DESTROY OUR ECONOMY THEN WANT TO TAX US MORE FOR THEIR GREEDY THUG AGENDAS.
Y’all got to understand that it takes a ‘King’s Ransom’
to run a growing bloated bureaucracy like this one!
Somebody has to pay for all his vacations.
As an “additional tax” this is a non-starter.
As cars get more efficient with their gasoline we will have to consider a move more to a usage-based tax than a gasoline tax; and many would argue that a usage tax is more fair than a gasoline tax as a fully electric car will put similar wear&tear on our roads as a gasoline car yet pay nothing in gasoline taxes.
Its just a study, and not even that but an early draft a bill to suggest a study. We study all sorts of crazy stuff.
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SM: They need to be doing studies on cutting costs and revamping SS, Medicare and Medicaid … not how to tax the people.
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Yeah…this sucks for me who commutes 60 miles each way (120 miles a day) for work.
What a bunch of screwballs…destroy the economy in the name of stopping the not-proven-to-be-true “man-made” global warming. This sounds something stupid Sheila Jackson and the EPA are trying to do….
Buffoons!
LOL…nobody is buying electric cars and nobody will. Do you know how much money it would cost to put in charging hubs for these cars?
I love how these “green” people are all about taking more “green” out of the pockets of Americans.
Cars are NOT getting more efficient with gasoline. Yet another example of what a SHEEPLE is….YOU!
Many who commute in cities like DC, LA and Chicago would argue against a usuage-based tax.
It will never happen.
You’re a fool!
SM: They need to be doing studies on cutting costs and revamping SS, Medicare and Medicaid … not how to tax the people.
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Those too, and I am sure they are, along with studies on the mating habits of flamingos.
But the people will be taxed. Fairness in taxation is a good thing; and some of our tax methods could use a little work. Maybe replacing or reducing a gasoline tax with a per-mile equivalent is the answer. I doubt it because people will just hack their odometers; but unless there is a study on the subject we can’t see it is or it is not feasible.
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SM: fairness in taxation. Does that mean that all people would pay taxes, because presently they do not.
Flippy, where do you live? I live in the country where MANY people who are rather poor pile up in vans to drive over 100 miles per day for work in the foundries and other manufacturing plants in our area. Since the cannot afford new vehicles much less some electric car…you find it OK they get mileage tax? I don’t.
My husband is a contractor and often takes jobs up to 30 miles away because just to GET a job building anything is a miracle right now. He has NO CHOICE but to use a large truck to haul his equipment. We pay plenty of taxes already. More would basically bankrupt us as we are already paying so much quarterly AND end of year. Obama is a theif in chief IMO to even suggest this.
I suggest he curb all these unnecessary visits hither and yon by elected officials who think they deserve to go anywhere they please on our tax dollars…and not a dime out of their pockets. Not even their meals!
Nov 2012 cannot get here fast enough.
SM: fairness in taxation. Does that mean that all people would pay taxes, because presently they do not.
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Now your talking income taxes; I don’t know anyone that pays no taxes whatsoever if you could gasoline, sales taxes, tollway tolls, license plate stickers, etc. Too many ways to get dinged with taxes I have no idea how much I really pay; it would probably shock me.
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SM: Really, you know no one that pays no taxes? Really? What if you live in an area, do not own a car, rent an apartment and get such a rebate back from the government on your income tax that it is more than any sales tax you pay for in the course of a year.
And yes, I am saying income tax. Obama and Democrats talk about shared sacrifice. What sacrifice are 40% of Americans sharing if they do not pay income taxes? we certainly do not need more BS taxes laid on the American people, but just saying.
Just think about a mileage tax … you let some one borrow your car and you are screwed with subsequent taxes. I am guessing that we should tax bicycles the same way. And joggers, lets attach pedometers to them and charge them by the mile as well.
Flippy, where do you live? I live in the country where MANY people who are rather poor pile up in vans to drive over 100 miles per day for work in the foundries and other manufacturing plants in our area. Since the cannot afford new vehicles much less some electric car…you find it OK they get mileage tax? I don’t.
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Hmmm…I will explain differently.
Today if you live in the USA, you pay $.30-$.70 per gallon in taxes; its worked into the price posted at the pump. I will use $.50 to make my math easier.
Lets also say that your car gets 20MPG (for the easier math again)
So, for every mile that you drive your car, you are currently paying $.025 in taxes, per mile. (I am doing this math on a calculator as I type so I hope I am not fat-fingering it).
So, if we removed the $.50 per gallon, and replaced it with $.025 per mile, you break even except that the tax was previously hidden from you and now you have pay something.
You say your husband drives 30 miles, so he is paying $1.50 in gas taxes each day for a round trip, or over the course of a work-year about $360.
My understanding is that the average commute is 10 miles (each way) so the average commuter pays $120/year in gas taxes to get to work and back.
Now lets say that a significant portion of the country buys electric cars, effectively bypassing the gas tax. They still use the roads, so therefore the need for the gas tax doesn’t go away; so the owners of the gas-cars would be subject to higher gas taxes.
So, if (overnight) 50% of drivers use alternative-fuel cars. The natural affect would be that gas taxes would double and your husband would now pay $720/year in gas taxes while the average commuter would be split between the “average gas user” who would pay $240 and the “alternative fuel user” who would pay $0.
However, if one were to CONVERT traditional gas tax into a mileage tax then everyone still pays their same $.025; so yes, I think its OK.
But as I said, I think it is worth studying but I don’t think it is feasible. You would have people messing with odometers and driving secret off-the-books cars. It is far easier to collect a tax from a small set of licensed professionals (service station owners) who simply pass on the cost to you than to collect it from you directly.
Hmmm…I will explain differently.
Today if you live in the USA, you pay $.30-$.70 per gallon in taxes; its worked into the price posted at the pump. I will use $.50 to make my math easier.
Lets also say that your car gets 20MPG (for the easier math again)
So, for every mile that you drive your car, you are currently paying $.025 in taxes, per mile. (I am doing this math on a calculator as I type so I hope I am not fat-fingering it).
So, if we removed the $.50 per gallon, and replaced it with $.025 per mile, you break even except that the tax was previously hidden from you and now you have pay something.
You say your husband drives 30 miles, so he is paying $1.50 in gas taxes each day for a round trip, or over the course of a work-year about $360.
My understanding is that the average commute is 10 miles (each way) so the average commuter pays $120/year in gas taxes to get to work and back.
Now lets say that a significant portion of the country buys electric cars, effectively bypassing the gas tax. They still use the roads, so therefore the need for the gas tax doesn’t go away; so the owners of the gas-cars would be subject to higher gas taxes.
So, if (overnight) 50% of drivers use alternative-fuel cars. The natural affect would be that gas taxes would double and your husband would now pay $720/year in gas taxes while the average commuter would be split between the “average gas user” who would pay $240 and the “alternative fuel user” who would pay $0.
However, if one were to CONVERT traditional gas tax into a mileage tax then everyone still pays their same $.025; so yes, I think its OK.
But as I said, I think it is worth studying but I don’t think it is feasible. You would have people messing with odometers and driving secret off-the-books cars. It is far easier to collect a tax from a small set of licensed professionals (service station owners) who simply pass on the cost to you than to collect it from you directly.
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SM: A tax on mileage is a tax on the middle class and lower middle class.
Why you ask? People do not live close to the majority of Jobs in cities across the country. Lets use NYC, since Obama used it today. It is beyond expensive for people to live in NYC who work in NYC. Thus they have to move to NJ and commute. Then NJ became too costly for many and they had to move to PA. People moved to areas so not to be raped by taxes, state, local and property and now they will be extorted by a mileage tax. There are those who travel 50-75 miles a day one way to work.
I an not understanding why a gas tax is not the answer as it is now. It is a usage tax, which is fine. If individuals own other non-gas vehicles, then a program can be set up for them, However, it will be a 100+ years before non-gas cars come close to 50% on the road.
Can you imagine having a mileage tax and going into the DMV to get your registration and being hit with a $700 – 1000? fee.
Scott -
Cars are NOT getting more efficient with gasoline. Yet another example of what a SHEEPLE is….YOU!
Many who commute in cities like DC, LA and Chicago would argue against a usuage-based tax.
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From 1980 to 2010 average passenger car fuel economy when from 16 to 22. That is a 31% increase in efficiency, which is significantly higher than nothing. There are plenty of cars that get over 30MPG without fancy engines that are not too expensive.
Also, those that commute in cities such as DC, LA, and Chicago would be no different than anyone else; they drive fewer miles and get fewer MPG than the country folk, so they would in theory pay less per gallon and be better off.
Many would argue against it for a variety of reasons; many for valid reasons and many others who are just being argumentative.
Someone who calls others “SHEEPLE” are really just in it for the argument.
How ridiculous is this….it’s all about a man that believes in tax and spend…it’s not about We The People, it’d not about America, it’s not about the economy and how much people have suffered and their losses.
Aorry..type…should read it’s not America
I an not understanding why a gas tax is not the answer as it is now. It is a usage tax, which is fine.
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Not saying its the answer…in fact I don’t think it is the answer; I am just not upset that someone out there wants to study it.
SM: Really, you know no one that pays no taxes? Really? What if you live in an area, do not own a car, rent an apartment and get such a rebate back from the government on your income tax that it is more than any sales tax you pay for in the course of a year.
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Yes, 40%ish of households don’t pay income taxes; but that is an oversimplification of saying that they don’t pay taxes. Anyone who works pays payroll taxes (a flat ~15% split between the employee and the employer up until $120Kish).
But, we are just arguing the same side, in then end. My proposition is that tax alternatives, to make them for fair, should be studied, and you seem to agree with me, at least in part.
But you have to do a study to determine if it will be fair, and how it would work.
Flippy said: So, if we removed the $.50 per gallon, and replaced it with $.025 per mile, you break even except that the tax was previously hidden from you and now you have pay something.
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What the hell kind of car do you drive? Does it get 2 miles per gallon? That is the only way you’d break even with your math. At 25 cent per mile my husband would be taxes $10 PER DAY on his current job where he’s framing a spec home AND be paying gas on that work truck we have no choice but to own since he hauls compressors, generator, tools, ladder, material, etc. Since we chose to use depreciation rather than milage on that vehicle, WE DON”T GET TO CLAIM MILEAGE!! So by your figuring we’ll be paying $300 per month in a lovely gas tax. Fantastic.
As for you not knowing anyone who pays taxes, then everyone you know must be on welfare. Where I live most are farmers, work in factories or self employed. Some of our closest friends are farmers, one is a realtor, one is a locksmith, one own/runs his own gun shop and they are all self employed and pay quarterly and end of year taxes. It’s inescapable. Personally, I only know a handful of people who don’t pay taxes every quarter…you must live in a place where our taxes go to pay everyone’s way.
Flippy- May I keep this brief and simple for you?
I come from TAXACHUSETTS—where you are already OVER TAXED TO THE MAX!
Why would we, as Americans- want to pay ANYMORE TAXES ON ANYTHING! ANYTHING AT ALL THEN WE ALREADY DO?
Also, we are getting raped at the Gas pumps. Talk about Consumer gouging. I would rather see our tax dollars go towards USING OUR OWN SOURCES OF CRUDE OIL RIGHT HERE IN THE US then having to be so dependent on ANY COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
They can all go to hell as far as I’m concerned. We have plenty of resources, here! So why the hell should I want to pay a damn usage tax on commuting on the roads and highways that I already get taxed for—and the Vehicle I pay so much to own, drive legally and PAY EXCISE TAX ON EVERY YEAR.
This is just another bunch of BS which is UNFAIR to all Americans.
DEMOCRATS= MORE TAXES TO THE MIDDLE CLASS! This Socialist in office does not have a freaking clue what he is doing—and America is taking it up the butt. Sorry to be so blunt, but it’s true.
Evening, SM~ Please retrieve a post.
Thanks and Goodnight!
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SM: Got it.
They will never take the tax off gasoline, so if they add a mileage tax, it will effectively double the taxes you are paying.
This President is always talking about taxing someone, how about taxing those who don’t pay taxes now, but use valuable services, and I’m not talking about the “Rich”.
How about “loaning” health care, in the form of Medicaid, and food assistance to people in need, with the agreement that they will some day pay it back, in the form of a higher tax, with accrued interest on the services that they have taken from the rest of us who pay our own way.
Let’s start taking about pay back for social assistance received. Let’s make the father of illegitimate child recipients of social services pay the bill with interest.
Let’s start talking about “unemployment benefits” as a loan.
Waterboy,
I like your ideas, but that puts us in the “oh so evil” category. You know, expecting people to do something with their lives other than live out of the pockets of others
Granted there are a few who need assistance such as our disabled vets, families of officers fully disabled or killed in the line of duty, or the mother who has a jerk husband who runs off and leaves her with children. But those are a small minority of all on welfare. We’ve become a welfare-based society.
You probably know what the Good Book says about those who WILL not work. They SHOULD not eat!
#17 – Moi
Please go back and read ANYTHING that I wrote before commenting.
Firstly, I said that I know NOBODY WHO DOESN’T pay taxes.
Secondly, $.025 is not “1 quarter per mile”, it is TWO AND HALF CENTS per mile; and I made that quite clear in the example.
People…this “story” is that a partially-drafted idea was floated around to explore the feasibility of a mileage-based tax. This is not a new idea, and on paper it is “fairer” then the current gasoline tax; just as a total revamp of the income tax code could make that fairer as well.
There are serious problems, many of which have been expressed above; but I don’t think that invalidates the idea of have someone study the possibility. Once studied and found unfeasible, people can stop talking about it.
I am not “For this” as I think it is not practical ….I think I have made it clear in almost every post; I only explain the concept.
#20 Waterboy:
Let’s start talking about “unemployment benefits” as a loan.
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Interesting thought, a study would be the first step for that
Unemployment benefits are an interesting one. As an employer, I pay unemployment insurance for each of my employees every quarter. The idea being that this pool funds unemployment benefits; so that is where unemployement benefits come from in the normal case.
If/When I terminate someone, they file an unemployment claim against ME, though I really do nothing about it because the government handles it due to my insurance being up to date; except that my premiums go up when someone files a claim (yeah fun).
In this period of high unemployment, that pool has run out, so the Fed Gov have stepped in to cover the shortfall.
Not sure how that could be distributed as a loan, unless you also remove the employers requirement to pay for the insurance since it is now a loan an insurance claim.
For the welfare situations you describe, I don’t see how turning welfare into a loan will fix anything; the odds of getting anyone to pay back the loan are pretty low; so I guess you would turn a budgetary expense into a massive collection of delinquent receivables.
I think for both of these cases we are better off limiting the time duration of benefits instead of making them into loans that are not collectable.
If fiscal concerns are your driving force, you are far better off not handing out money than loaning it to bad credit risks
Moi 10-4.
Flippy,
I hear you. Student loans are not really collectable either, but some do pay.
10 cents of a dollar is still better than zero.
Jerry
Flippy—-Your posts are well intentioned and thought out.
Thanks for the info and making us use our brains. As you can clearly see, however—many Trolls who post here seem to have a problem with English Comprehension.
Thanks again for your input.
New Girl- Boston