Raid at Foxy Lady on Aruba’s “One Happy Island” due to Human Trafficking … Joran Van der Sloot, Thailand, Human Trafficking … Hmm?



You will not see the following reported or discussed in the travel brochures on why to visit Aruba. Why is that? No where on the Aruba Tourism web site does it reference, things to do in Aruba like partaking in going to a strip club made up of  human trafficking. What about fun in the sun, weddings and restricting individuals of their human rights?  Shouldn’t tourists know exactly what they are getting themselves into when they spend their hard earned money on a vacation?


Rather than just painting just a rosy picture, shouldn’t Aruba and the Aruba AHATA have some truth in advertising that bad things happen there, NATALEE HOLLOWAY, and continued to due so, HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

What, you mean there is crime on Aruba like human trafficking, say it isn’t so. Human trafficking on “One Happy Island”, never. Isn’t that nice to know that mere miles from the beaches that you visit with your families and streets that your wives and daughters walk that the the Foxy Lady was raided and arrests made as a result of human trafficking. As an aside, isn’t it peculiar that human trafficking be going on in Aruba andJoran Van der Sloot is suspected in doing the same in Thailand. Wonder where he learned his trade?

ORANJESTAD — The Public Prosecutor (OM) announced late yesterday afternoon that the raids and arrests at strip club Foxy Lady regarded an investigation into human trafficking. Supposedly, the strippers were forced to work long hours and were held against their will. [human rights alive and well in Aruba, not]

Scared Monkeys actually discussed the Foxy Lady back in 2009; however, since then the web site has been removed. Looks like some family fun for all, eh? How many tourists coming to Aruba for sun and fun on their white sandy beaches think this kind of debauchery is going on right under their noses?

Foxy Lady Aruba functions as a cocktail lounge and bar featuring a sophisticated menu of hors d’oeuvres, desserts, cigars, fine champagne, wines and liquors. During the day the club provides a variety of massages for men, women, and couples. The late night crowd is also in for a treat with nightly entertainment by our VIP foxies and special acts from around the world including world famous feature entertainers and adult film stars. The club also features one of a kind “confession booths” for those who are feeling a little sinful.

Bachelor and Bachelorette parties are a great sendoff for any bride or groom with several options including a variety of special performances by our international foxies. Also, tables in our VIP rooms can be reserved any time through one of our certified event sales representatives located in several convenient locations across the island.

In addition to the above features, Foxy Lady Aruba specializes in setting up special dates with our lovely escorts and planning unforgettable one-of-a-kind exotic vacations for singles and couples traveling to Aruba.

More from Amigoe – Aruba:

Justice is reckoning with a criminal organization and not precluding further apprehensions. At the time of going to press yesterday, the OM did not wish to elaborate on the facts of the raids and arrests from amongst others, manager Alex Mathew. In total, four persons were apprehended last night amongst whom also a police officer who worked as security guard at the strip club on his off days. How many strippers had been exploited, remains unknown for the time being.

According to the OM, officers of the Organized Crime Section, the Criminal Investigation Cooperation Team (RST) and assisted by the Royal Military Police are investigating ‘exploitation forms of dancers’ in the strip club. Justice suspects the dancers had had to work too long in one stretch for too low a wage ‘under socially unacceptable circumstances’. This supposedly also involved a ‘situation of lack of freedom’, in which the dancers did not have the possibility to resign and to leave. Therefore, human trafficking, according to the OM. “As human trafficking belongs in the duty package of the RST and the Military Police, they were both involved in the investigation. Both had supplied criminal investigators,” says a spokesperson from the OM. The case got moving after one of the dancers had filed a report with the OM. The investigation was started approx. four months ago. However, Justice does not think there was a question of forced prostitution.

Before any one says that this is a one time thing and has never happened before, stop the presses because it has. Remember the following Scared Monkeys article from April 16,. 2007; ‘Aruba: Blue Skies, White Sandy Beaches and Human Traffickers … Oh My’.

So we are supposed to believe that on the Caribbean island of Aruba where human trafficking takes place that other such crimes cannot exist was well? Isn’t it a rather interesting coincidence that Aruba have a “human trafficking” bust andtheir favorite son, Joran Van der Sloot, has been implicated in human trafficking in Thailand? Where do we think that Joran Van der Sloot learned his craft? Makes us kind of wonder where and how the “little Sporter” made his spending money, doesn’t it?

During the raids, also in Mathew’s residence, one searched amongst others for the administration. His SUV was also confiscated for investigation. “Perhaps the latter contains more items, for example an USB-stick with information.” The Officer of Justice confirmed that money was found, but could not say how much and at which raid location. For that matter, the OM does not wish to confirm or deny that one of the detainees is a police officer. Otherwise, the Officer of Justice did mention that John den Boef, director of Foxy Lady, is not a suspect in the case just yet. Before this newspaper, Den Boef himself denied he was aware of the alleged exploitation practice in his club. “I am not actively involved with the daily affairs of Foxy Lady.I do not know what happens there in the evenings.” However, Den Boef did not wish to say what his precise role is within the company. “That is between me and Mathew.”

Justice further announced that there is no investigation into other strip clubs on the island. “The OM is not entrusted with the supervision thereof,” says the officer.

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  • Aruba: Blue Skies, White Sandy Beaches and Human Traffickers … Oh My
  • Missing in Aruba: Joran Van der Sloot Now Says he Sold Natalee Holloway to a Venezuelan Man Who Wanted a Blonde Girl for $10K
  • National Enquirer Reports Joran Van der Sloot (Murphy Jenkins) Sex Slave Gang Investigated by Thailand Police
  • 16 Year Old Jaray Mickell Wilson Missing Since October 15, 2012 in Weatherford, OK … Feared Sold into a Human Trafficking Ring

  • Comments

    101 Responses to “Raid at Foxy Lady on Aruba’s “One Happy Island” due to Human Trafficking … Joran Van der Sloot, Thailand, Human Trafficking … Hmm?”

    1. Susan on August 8th, 2010 11:07 am

      Urine van der Slut learned the human trafficking trade from his dear old dad, Paulass. Urine is a “chip off of the old block”. Too bad the Aruban authorities can’t put cuffs on cremated remains and haul Paulass’ dead arse off to jail! Like that would have ever happened. Not in this life time! If the truth were known, ALE is behind all illegal human trafficking activity on that drug infested, poverty stricken, lawless, third world isle of Aruba. ALE receives a huge chunk of the profits, amongst other benefits from human trafficking.

    2. A Texas Grandfather on August 8th, 2010 1:15 pm

      This is just Aruba. What about the other two of the ABC islands?

      Any American that travels to these drug infested,human trafficing islands supported by their corrupt judicial and LE is taking a real chance of not returning home.

    3. Pearl on August 8th, 2010 2:01 pm

      WOW what a shocker ‘human trafficking’ in Aruba who would have thunk that, it’s almost like the island is say like the rest of the world such as the USA or The Netherlands.

      I think it would be more appropriate to commend law enforcement there on this action but that would take an unbiased view at the matter I’m afraid. ;)

    4. brie. on August 8th, 2010 3:48 pm

      The other islands that belong to ABC are probably used as mentioned above. They have a VIP location on a nearby island. I hope this stripper did not give her name or she will disappear. And the owner says he is not aware of any of this. Yea right! Are the women so disguised that no one can tell they are from another country and not Aruba. The Aruban girls are not doubt used for the personal escort service.

    5. krieton on August 8th, 2010 8:03 pm

      here we have a story about aruba,but nowhere in the story is it mentioned.I guess the hope is no one will notice………………………………………………

    6. ayfit on August 8th, 2010 8:25 pm

      What’s the word on Joran? We are not being kept current. What can you tell us?
      SM: Joran is living La Vita Loca in prison.

    7. cvc on August 9th, 2010 1:49 pm

      So they actually have “certified event sales representatives”. I guess that looks better on a resume than the word “pimps”. Some international, global, bigger police force than Aruba and the Netherlands had better move in and take over this investigation before everyone involved is murdered and thrown into the sea. Unfortunately, one solution to the Holloway case could be that Paulus and Joran sold Natalee to this group of human traffickers and when Beth took the case worldwide they then had to kill Natalee because of they couldn’t send Natalee anywhere where she would not be recognized.

    8. sandy on August 9th, 2010 4:39 pm

      soy de peru, y me da mucha risa esta web, critican a aruba, critican a joran, critican a su madre, le desean lo peor, y todos los estadounidenses quee scribem no son mas que una sarta de hipocritas con doble moral, estados unidos no es mejor que ningun pais, ni mucho menos mejor que aruba, estados unidos es el foco de la corrupcion y de la basura en el mundo, todos uds antes de tildar a joran de asesino, violador, secuestrador, proxeneta, asesino en serie y demas sandeces, mejor vean toda la lacra social que hay ene stados unidos, y que estan libres, preoucpense por todas las niñas, niños, mujeres desaparecidos, violados por pedofilos y exclavizados sexualemente en estados unidos, y no se preocupen solamente de una chica con problemas de drogas como natalie holloway, ella solo ha sido creado por webs como estas y por los tabloides y prensa sensacionlaita americana para llenarse de dinero sin importarle nada, y al igual que todos ustedes , la sanguijuela de beth holloway se ha enriquecido a costas de la desgracia de joran y de la desaparicion de su hija, sinceramente todos uds tienen una doble moral que me enferma, su pais, estados unidos es el foco de la delincuiencia, de violaciones, de pedofilia, de exclavitud sexual, y de los asesinatos horrendos y de criminales realmente mousntrosos y no entuiendo porque solo critican a joran, un muchacho que todos uds solo se dedicaron a arruinarle su vida.
      soy del peru y espero que dios lo ayude a el, y que le de fuerzas a anita hugen para que ayude a su hijo y que pueda rehacer su vida una vez .
      y espero que todos uds y beth holloway se pudran en el infierno.
      y espero que haya libertad de expresion en esta web, o es que son partidarios del presidente chavez que silencia a todo aquel que lo critica?????????’
      espero que mi mensaje si sea publicado, y quien quiera que lo traduzca.


      Through translator by (klaasend). If I’m not mistaken the Sloots have some relatives in Peru ;) :

      Spanish to English translationShow romanization
      I’m from peru, and gives me a good laugh this website criticize aruba, joran criticize, criticize his mother wished him the worst, and all Americans quee scribem are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites with double standards, usa no better than any country, let alone better than Aruba, the U.S. is the focus of corruption and waste in the world, all of you to brand before joran a murderer, rapist, kidnapper, pimp, murderer and serial other nonsense, the better to view all social evil which is Jan. he United States, which are free, preoucpense for all girls and boys, women missing exclavizados violated by pedophiles and Sex in America, and do not worry just a girl drug problems as natalie holloway, she has only been created by websites how are you and the tabloid press and American sensacionlaita to fill with money no matter what, and like all of you, the leech of beth holloway is enriched at the expense of joran’s misfortune and the disappearance of her daughter, honestly all of you have a double standard that makes me sick, your country, America is the focus of delincuiencia, rape, pedophilia, the sexual enslavement, and the horrific murder and criminals and not really enthusiastic mousntrosos because only criticize joran, a guy who only spent all of you to ruin your life.
      I’m from peru and I hope that God helps him and forces him to Anita Hugen to help your child and can rebuild their lives once.
      and I hope all of you and beth holloway rot in hell.
      and I hope that there is freedom of expression on this site, or are they supporters of President Chavez silencing anyone who criticizes him ?????????’
      I hope my message if it is published, and anyone who wants to translate it.

    9. Lisa in Maryland on August 9th, 2010 7:05 pm

      You say you are from Peru? What a disgrace you must be to your own country to support a lying murderer like Joran Van der sloot. Have you no remorse for your own people? Your fellow countrymen who cry for justice in the streets for their lost daughter Stephany to this violent murderer that you support? Does this not bother your heart that not one but two girls are dead now? Is this the type of person you are that you can slander a mother who has lost the most precious thing in her life? How can you sleep at night? We the people who seek justice for Natalee are suppose to listen to your words as if they mean something? I think NOT. You are an evil witch and you should burn in hell with the rest of the Van der sloots. May the Saints see too it!

      English to Spanish Translation…

      Dices que eres de Perú? ¡Qué vergüenza debe ser para su propio país para apoyar a mentir como un asesino de Van der Sloot Joran. ¿No tienes remordimiento por su propia gente? Su compatriotas que claman por la justicia en las calles por su hija perdida Stephany a este asesino violento que usted apoya? ¿No molestes a tu corazón que las niñas no uno sino dos están muertos ahora? Es este el tipo de persona es usted que se puede difamar a una madre que haya perdido la cosa más preciosa de su vida? ¿Cómo puedes dormir por la noche? Nosotros, el pueblo que buscan la justicia para se supone Natalee para escuchar sus palabras como si quieren decir algo? Creo que NO. Usted es una bruja malvada y debe arder en el infierno con el resto de la sloots Van der. Que el Santos de ver sin ella!

    10. cvc on August 9th, 2010 9:44 pm

      Just curious Sandy, how do you feel toward the Stefany Flores Ramiriz family? Being from Peru, do you feel, as we do on this website, that had Joran van der Sloot been imprisoned after Natalee’s disappearance Stefany would still be alive? Do you hold the same anger toward the Ramiriz family as you do toward the Holloways? If not then why not? I’m interested in how you feel toward them and why. Thanks.

    11. krieton on August 9th, 2010 9:58 pm

      I love it.the dangerous pervert in post#8,first comes on a site ,reads several articles,then suddenly can’t read or write english,what can I say?except,HI PAULIS.Hows things?check this idiots, IP ADDRESS and you will find very rare fish indeed,smelly and rottin to the core though.

    12. Lisa in Maryland on August 10th, 2010 3:50 am

      Kreiton, Fee Fy PAUX Fum… I smell an Aruban! It’s probably SKANK-NITA! Typical blame the victim for “Joran’s misfortune” and pray that God brings Joran back to her so they can live happily ever after.

      Smelly and Rotten you got that right!

    13. Susan on August 10th, 2010 4:11 am

      Tis okay for some, but not for all??? DOUBLE STANDARDS???

    14. cvc on August 10th, 2010 5:53 pm

      Who branded Joran as a murderer, human trafficker, pimp, date raper, extortionist, etc., etc., other than Joran himself? This individual has told story, after story and has branded himself all these horrible things. No one else has had to sully his reputation, he has not only done these things but then he has made it a point to go on television and tell the world what he has done, even going as far as to brand his father as the same. Sandy has a lot of nerve saying that this website has branded Joran anything!
      SM: You would be 100% correct. Joran Van der Sloot in his own words has admitted to killing Natalee Holloway … dumping her into the sea, having her buried in concrete and admitting to human trafficking and selling her.

      That would be Joran Van der Sloot’s words. So sorry that the delusional, sick Van der Sloot apoligists can’t handle the truth,

    15. Maggie on August 10th, 2010 6:22 pm

      Gotta love Sandy… notttt.. She comes on here and curses people for criticizing Joran Van der Sloot , who has lied to police over and over.. was caught extorting 25,000 from Beth, admitting on camera about trying to trick girls in to sex slavery, admitting to throwing Natalee in the ocean, busting a glass in a temper tantrum, throwing wine in a reporter’s face in a temper tantrum, staying out all night gambling and preying on young female american tourists.. Arrested for beating the hell out of 21 year old Stephany and admitting it…sitting down to eat by her dead body and thought about throwing her in the ocean or cutting her up..Anita Huge ‘n’ off her rocker.. letting him run the streets all night , drinking and gambling.. living in his own place at 15..lying on camera over and over… harming an investigation the prosecutor said..

      Yet, she knows not one thing about Natalee Holloway , who went to Aruba for 3 days to celebrate her graduation with her friends and was preyed on by Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe, and Joran Van der Sloot a half hour before closing time.. and framed 2 black men for capital murder and kidnapping..

      Some how in sandy’s twisted brain( nuts!!!) a mother wanting to find her daughter for 5 years and a 18 year old with a full scholarship and bright future , victims of crime..are worse than the all the above.. Don’t even tell us about poor Anita.. She has had her son the past 5 years. She has no clue how the Flores or Holloways feel. Just like Joran the world is all about ME.,ME, ME to Anita van der fruitcake.. and her cronies.

      Nice try comparing a country of 28 million, and 100,000 to a country of 300,000,000.. Think u and hugo better put down the crack pipe..

    16. cvc on August 10th, 2010 6:43 pm

      Honestly, I think the people on this website are a lot nicer to Joran than his mother is. On the ABC inbterview she called him sick in the head, bi-polar, mentally ill, addicted, beligerent, depressed, and on and on. Then she basically said that as far as she was concerned he didn’t exist anymore. All we do is call him what he himself has admitted to doing. I guess it is possible to be worse than Joran van der Sloot. She is brutal.

    17. Lisa in Maryland on August 10th, 2010 9:36 pm

      Go Maggie, Go Maggie, It’s a crack pipe – Twisted Brain cells!!!!

      Yes, Maggie I’m doing the rope dance in honor of your last post!!!

      Notice that these trolls jump in real BIG but can’t back up their posts! We should invent a troll extermination chant to wisk them away!

      Where is Carpe ? – He’s good for that quick witted stuff.

    18. Dolf on August 11th, 2010 2:15 am

      last thing in NL we heared about Joran is that he was playing poker with his celmate

      strippoker I assume :)

    19. Maggie on August 11th, 2010 2:49 pm

      2007? They had enough evidence to prove Natalee isn’t alive anymore even without a body.. Weren’t we told a few years ago it is a crime to be the last people with someone in a situation like that? We were told that is why the 3 kept blaming each other for being the last person with Natalee. None wanted to say they were the last one with her.

      In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

      The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

      New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The chief prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway investigation has agreed to meet Saturday with the parents of the missing Alabama teen, who is presumed dead.

      Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba with classmates in 2005.

      “I’m really anxious to meet him,” Beth Holloway told CNN. “I’ve waited a long time for this meeting.”
      A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

      “There’s no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. … I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body,” Mos said last week.

      So what happen to that big bunch of bs..we were told? In 2005 they were saying on the computer, the fact Natalee is dead isn’t good.. Ooops my bad their favorite line.. THE GIRL..

      If Natalee had any drugs was because they drugged her drink in Carlos n Charlies..that night.

      In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.

      Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

      The cronies probably all wear t shirts that says I’m with effin stupid..

    20. cvc on August 11th, 2010 3:01 pm

      Maybe Sandy is the woman who visits Joran once a week in the prison in Peru. Maybe they play strip poker…We all knew Anita had a friend in Peru and that this woman is actually commmunicating with Joran for Anita, delivering the very best legal advice available in the world to him from his mother. Sounds like Sandy might be getting all her information from the Sloots and maybe a lot of money too.

    21. Lisa in Maryland on August 11th, 2010 6:06 pm

      Well CVC you are probably right and there is a lot of money to be had out of “Joran’s misfortune” mama’s laughing all the way to the bank after every personal appearance! That is how she can afford to live on an art teachers salary!

    22. sandy on August 11th, 2010 11:06 pm

      1 month ago, in a interview gave stefanie’s father to foxnews,the interviewer said to him that joran’s mother was devasted for what was happened with his son in peru, and stefanie’s father said , that she was going to feel worst when knew that his son was a murderous, because his son killed to his daughter.
      and now stephanie’s father has a son who crashed with a motorcycle, and the driver died instantly, so, ricardo flores’s son was responsible of death of a person, his hands have blood too.
      stefanie’s father ask for justice for death of her daughter, i wonder if , too he will ask for justice for the driver of motocycle that died instantly ????
      really, the life takes turns.
      SM: Last I heard it was the motorcyclists fault, the motorcyclist had been drinking and pulled in front of him. Not Stephanies brothers fault. (klaasend)

    23. sandy on August 12th, 2010 12:49 am

      drunk??? that isn’t true
      i think that you should read this

      actually, the death of a person by a traffic accident is hard, and regrettably the car of ricardo flores’s son crashed with a motorcycle and the driver died, and that situation, nobody could change, the reality is what a person died for that traffic accident , have been by a manslaughter or not, fault or not of stefanie’s brother, the reality is what the car of ricardo flores’s son crashed with a motrocycle and his car cause the death of a person, and that, nobody could change.

    24. Frederic Nitz on August 12th, 2010 6:56 am

      And exactly what has that to do with the murder of Stephany Flores at the hands of Joran? He confessed that he killed her. He gave details about the crime scene that only the killer could have known. Joran is a crazed sociopath and needs to be locked up forever.

    25. Dolf on August 12th, 2010 7:17 am

      the Flores family can pull strings there.
      thats why Joran was arrested
      SM: No Joran Van der Sloot was arrested because he was the main suspect in the murder and charged with 1st degree murder.

    26. krieton on August 12th, 2010 7:48 am

      post 22 and 23.what a coincidence another poster with the same name as the poster# 8.who was able to read articles in english but then needed help to have his message translated from spanish to english,you know, because he didn’t speak,read or write english.see how easy it is find criminals.simply had to imply he was paulis vandersloot and he came roaring back to prove other wise,almost like he wanted to protect some one.HAA-HA. I wonder if post 22 and 23 have the same i.p address as post 8.if only there was a way to check?it would be very funny if it wasn’t.just kidding sandy.I pretty sure there’s no way to check.

    27. krieton on August 12th, 2010 7:56 am

      aparently,sandy is having difficulty seeing the difference between killing some one with your bare hands and then running from the scene,and a car accident.

    28. krieton on August 12th, 2010 8:04 am

      hey , could mr flores pull strings when he had no idea who killed his daughter in those first days.wasn’t joran already on the run and then arrested in chile?

    29. Frederic Nitz on August 12th, 2010 8:31 am

      Not only that, he took her credit cards, her Peru ID, her car and threw away his SIM card. Plus he confessed to the taxi driver.

      And then he also confessed to the Peruvian police giving details only the killer could have known.

      In my opinion, there is about 10 hours of missing time from the hotel to the border. I think that he used that time to have his hair dyed.

      He needs to go to jail for life and then some.

    30. cvc on August 12th, 2010 5:22 pm

      Has Stefany’s brother sold any interviews to television or other media about the wreck where he lies, tells conflicting stories about what happened, implicates his father in a human trafficking ring, states that his father has hidden a dead body, states that his father bribed police in a murder case? Has Stefany’s brother tormented the motorcyclist’s family with lies and defamation of his character, has Stefany’s brother extorted money from the motorcyclist’s family in exchange for information regarding his death? This Sandy has to be a Van der Sloot because no one else in this world is as ruthless, depraved, heartless, and as sick as the Van der Sloots. Sandy has to be a blood relative. Here this brother has just struggled through the fact that his only sister was murdered, he gets into a horrible accident and these people decide to harrass him and compare him to Joran Van der Sloot. These people are truly incredible.

    31. Lisa in Maryland on August 12th, 2010 6:34 pm

      Sandy, you’re not playing with a full deck there. Do you have some personal vendetta with the Flores family or are you in love with Joran? How can you compare a murder which is an intentional act to an auto accident which is purely unintentional?

      You say,” actually, the death of a person by a traffic accident is hard”

      Let me tell you what HARD is … HARD is getting a call that your teenage daughter is missing on an island where you have no connections for help. Hard is dealing with a Freaking psychotic murderer and a corrupt police force while you dig through the city garbage dump and pray that you will find your daughters remains so that you can take her home and lay her to rest. Hard is crying for help while all the people around you hold signs and shout for you to go home.

      That is the light part of Hard … Hard is not knowing where your daughter is for more than 5 years but knowing who her murderer is and finding out he murdered another young girl and then reading posts like yours.

      You need help, serious help and the sooner the better!

    32. cvc on August 13th, 2010 9:47 am

      I think Sandy has both a vendetta with the Flores family AND she’s in love with Joran because I think Sandy is Anita. Only Anita could see the automobile accident with the Flores son and Stephany’s murder by Joran as similar. I think she’s trying desperately to put guilt, blame, etc. on someone other than herself. It’s all yours Anita!

    33. Frederic Nitz on August 14th, 2010 12:51 pm

      Sandy, you are conspicuously absent. Nothing to say? Cat got your tongue? Or perhaps you are genuinely a dipwad.

      Or has the love of your life suddenly turned into the killer we all knew him to be.

    34. Frederic Nitz on August 14th, 2010 3:39 pm

      In Joran’s own words:

      “There was blood everywhere, What am I going to do now? I had blood on my shirt. There was also blood on the bed, so, I took my shirt and put it on her face, pressing hard, until I killed Stephany.”

      How is that anything like a traffic accident?

    35. cvc on August 14th, 2010 5:40 pm

      That is why I believe that only someone very close to Joran van der Sloot would be able to see or draw these comparisons between Joran murdering women and this kid finding himself in a horrible traffic accident. You or I would have thought “How horrible that this young man, after all he has been through, is now involved in this horrible wreck. Who else would even think that this Flores young man, who seems to come from a very fine family, in any way resembles Joran van der Sloot in any way, shape, or form. The Sloots really put the “fun” back in dysfunction don’t they?

    36. juan carlos on August 14th, 2010 9:20 pm

      The comment 5 is so funny,i would advice you to read peruvian newspapers of some years ago, and you going to find out who was stephnaie’s father and the “good friends” that had in the government more corrupt of last years in peru. hahahahahaha

    37. juan carlos on August 14th, 2010 9:21 pm

      The comment 35(cvr)is so funny,i would advice you to read peruvian newspapers of some years ago, and you going to find out who was stephnaie’s father and the “good friends” that had in the government more corrupt of last years in peru. hahahahahaha

    38. Frederic Nitz on August 15th, 2010 11:34 am

      Juan Carlos:

      So what has any of that to do with the fact that Joran killed Stephany with his bare hands and then had coffee and cake by the corpse. Joran is a sick man and that has nothing to do with Stephany’s father or her brothers. He is simply a cold blooded killer.

      Are you a van der Sloot? It seems like that is the way the family operates. Denigrate the victim and their family.

      He got away with killing a person in Natalee, but now he is reduced to living in a hell hole and the best is yet to come. The reason he is in solitary is that Peru knows he will be dead a few minutes after he is turned out to the general population. His 35 years will never get served.

      Read the confession of Joran; a part of it is included in my comment #34 above.

      If you cannot see the difference between Joran and the rest of society, you should be in Castro Castro with him, perhaps sharing his cell. By now he probably needs a bunk mate and I am sure you will learn to like it.

    39. Frederic Nitz on August 15th, 2010 11:47 am

      Juan Carlos,
      Who cares about Stephany’s father?

      Joran killed Stephany. Plain and simple. He confessed with details only the killer could have known. By his own admission, he drank coffee and ate cake next to the corpse trying to decide if he should cut her up and put her into his luggage or dispose of her some other way.

      He is a very deranged person.

    40. cvc on August 15th, 2010 12:56 pm

      It’s pretty incredible to me that someone was actually able to get a good laugh out of Stefany Flores Ramirez’s death. My comment #35 is based on the Flores Ramirez family and how they have conducted themselves dring this horrible time after having the only daughter in their family brutally murdered. I know nothing about Peruvian politics nor do care about Peruvian politics or crime there. The Flores Ramirez family acted with incredible dignity and class when in public and in the media in dealing with Stefany’s death. I’m sure that the family will retain that same class and dignity in respect to this very unfortunate ACCIDENT that involves their son. Too bad the same thing can’t be said about the Van Der Sloots who are the exact opposite of dignity and class. I guess they do have class except it is all LOW class.

    41. Frederic Nitz on August 15th, 2010 7:13 pm

      I think Juan Carlos and Sandy are related, maybe even the same person.

    42. cvc on August 15th, 2010 9:13 pm

      Frederic, you are probably right. I really do hope that there are not two people in this world as callous and hateful as Sandy and Juan Carlos. For the sake and safety of Juan Carlos (aka Sandy) I really hope that what he had to say about Stefany’s father is not true. Stay safe Juan Carlos.

    43. Frederic Nitz on August 16th, 2010 11:35 am

      Juan Carlos and Sandy should better watch their backs. It is very easy to locate someone from these messages. Even I know how.

    44. Lisa in Maryland on August 16th, 2010 1:47 pm

      Hey Frederic on Aug 15th you said, “By now he probably needs a bunk mate and I am sure you will learn to like it.” Good one!

      And so it comes to pass A New playmate for Joran – William Trickett Smith II ! Wonder how Joran feels not being the new kid in town anymore!

      Being Yesterday’s News isn’t something sociopaths enjoy and I’m sure Hugo’s just salivating!!! FRESH MEAT!!!

    45. Frederic Nitz on August 16th, 2010 4:54 pm

      Actually, I would like to be a fly on the wall in Joran’s cell. It would be interesting to see what he does with his time. His cellmates, the rats could probably tell the story.

      An enterprising TV show might be to place a camera for all to watch live but that would probably violate his civil rights, even though he purposely chose to violate the civil rights of two young women.

    46. Lisa in Maryland on August 16th, 2010 9:17 pm

      He’s not going to be very happy with all the attention going to his new cell mate. The Peru media will want to get Smiths story and do interveiws with him. Auh poor little Joran sitting in the corner no million dollar interviews, news media has moved on, even the Hugo and guards don’t pay attention anymore! Left to rot with nothing but his thoughts and his pet rat!

    47. krieton on August 16th, 2010 11:10 pm

      leave him alone,WAA-HAA.he didn’t do anything.just let him bee,you,you BASTARDS.AHH HAA………oh.wait a minute.the rat can come and go as he chooses.sorry about that.for a minute I thought,oh never you were,nothing to see here.except for the rats buddy,who looks with envy,when ever the rats leaves the cell,when ever it wants.Imagine that,envying a rat.I bet nobody told joran,there’d be days like these,strange days indead.

    48. cvc on August 17th, 2010 6:25 am

      Ha, Ha. If Sandy and Juan Carlos start liking this Smith guy Joran will have absolutely no one left who cares about him except his pet sewer rat.

    49. Lisa in Maryland on August 17th, 2010 2:53 pm

      If I was the rat I would rather bunk with Smith!

    50. Susan on August 17th, 2010 4:33 pm

      Peruvian President wants death penalty for van der Sloot

      Last Update: 11:40 am

      Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Will Joran van der Sloot face the death penalty if convicted of murdering Stephany Flores? Will the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway pay the price for a crime in another country?

      According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW), President Alan García of Peru has said he wants to reintroduce the death penalty in his country. If the president has his way, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could face execution. Legal obstacles, however, make it unlikely that Peru brings back the death penalty anytime soon.

      Mr García was referring to child molesters and killers, saying that “certain crimes must be paid for with the criminal’s life”. The president argued that if Peru executed a hundred criminals a year, that would be proportionally the same as in China, “where 5,000 rapists, thieves and corrupt mayors were shot last year”. “I would gladly decapitate 50 child rapists,” Mr García told reporters. A recent poll showed that 80 percent of Peruvians favoured a return of the death penalty.

      Van der Sloot is in the Castro Castro prison in Lima charged with killing 21 year old student Stephany Flores…found dead in van der Sloot’s hotel room, five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to the island and was last seen in van der Sloot’s company.

      One of van der Sloot’s fellow inmates in Castro Castro is American William Trickett Smith. He was recently extradited from the U.S. to face charges he murdered his Peruvian wife, dismembered her, put the body parts in a suitcase and tossed it in the ocean. The so-called “Suitcase Murder” has elicited as much anger in Peru as the Flores/van der Sloot case.

      In the background of that case is an indictment of van der Sloot here in Birmingham on wire fraud and extortion charges stemming from the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

      According to RNW, Capital punishment was abolished in Peru in 1979, except for cases of treason in wartime. Reinstating the death penalty would be an uphill battle requiring a change to Peru’s constitution.

      Peru’s Justice Minister also points out the Interamerican Convention on Human Rights forbid the implementation of the death penalty. The latter treaty also stipulates that “the death penalty shall not be reestablished in states that have abolished it.”

    51. cvc on August 17th, 2010 4:51 pm

      I agree.:-)

    52. cvc on August 17th, 2010 5:27 pm

      I was agreeing in comment #51 with Lisa about preferring to bunk with smith rather than van der sloot. However, if anyone deserves the death penalty it is Joran van der Sloot. Just for what he has put Natalee’s family through since her disappearance is enough to justify the death penalty for him.

    53. Frederic Nitz on August 18th, 2010 12:42 am

      Death penalty or not, it doesn’t matter. The general population in the Peruvian prison will take care of that in short order. I give him about three minutes.

    54. vhj on August 18th, 2010 1:57 am

      so from the forum I see the ecuadorns are interested in sun,rest and relaxation.went to aruba did they? the arubans show off all the tourists spots did they?all seems like a cozy little affair,why it should expand tourism for aruba,just what a struggling economy can use.on the surface everything seems normal.except for thing.ecuador is just like aruba,except why did these people charter a jet to aruba and bill it as a tourist mission?easy,thier plane was full of cocaine,major delivery.everyone knows except all law enforcement agencies in the world,oh by the way here’s ecuador…………….

    55. Lisa in Maryland on August 19th, 2010 11:13 am

      I think the “Deal” here is that Peruvian President Garcia wants to be able to lay claim for punishment of Joran Van der Sloot which will make him a glorified hero, not only in the eyes of his countrymen but in the eyes of many around the world.

      It is so much more dramatic then sentencing him to 35yrs at Lurigancho and Joran being murdered in prison before he serves his time. The chances are high that he won’t last a month.

      If they reinstate the death penalty and execute Joran it sends a very powerful message about committing crimes in Peru and shows the government as in control of their legal system vs. not being in complete control of their prison system.

      Quite Frankly I’m all for how President Garcia put it – DECAPITATION! Wouldn’t bother me in the least.

      I wonder if Anita Van der Slut has read the news!

      What do you guys think?

    56. kreiton on August 19th, 2010 4:28 pm

      in this post on the forum………………………………………………. Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
      « Reply #544 on: August 19, 2010, 10:31:54 AM »

      I keep looking at the photo and still can’t figure out what it shows. I’ve messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it…………………………………………..I may be wrong,but don’t think so.three people in photo… see,cut picture in half.look at only the top half.bottom half is a the top half if you increase to 125 can make out three with light hair appears to be in lying position,another holding the first in arms or sitting very close,the third sitting several feet away near the fire on the same side as wheel of car or van.check it out

    57. krieton on August 19th, 2010 4:53 pm

      once you’ve checked at 125 percent,then increase to 150 percent and look.I could be wrong but images are more apparant.ofcourse any law enforcement agency with special imaging computers would easily solve this picture.if only there was such an agency.

    58. cvc on August 19th, 2010 7:09 pm

      In the foreground it looks like steps leading up to a landing or platform in front of the fire source. Zooming in just makes it grainier. There appears to be three people and something or someone lieing on the ground in front of the stairs and platform. Was the picture taken from on top of a building or the second floor?

    59. cvc on August 19th, 2010 7:19 pm

      Is it a campfire or a kiln, oven, or possibly a crematorium? Don’t they usually have a type of conveyor belt or system to feed bodies of people, animals, etc. into the fire? I’m trying to read too much into this, I’m trying to make it fit a possible scenario.

    60. krieton on August 19th, 2010 10:35 pm

      I thought from someone standing just on the other side of fire.

    61. Lisa in Maryland on August 19th, 2010 11:15 pm

      SM: Although I have read the forum posts for years now I have never posted in the forum section. I tried to log in and it says “Your account is still awaiting admin approval.” I was pretty sure I had applied 5 yrs ago but in any case I had reapplied within the last two months. I know you have been very busy. Will you please approve so that I post there. Thanks ~ Lisa
      SM: Lisa, I just approved you so you should be able to log into the forum now :-) (klaasend)

    62. Lisa in Maryland on August 20th, 2010 9:22 am

      To me, that looks like a bad exposure of a young girl sitting on a guys lap in front of a campfire with a dark car parked in the distance behind them. Why would this have anything to do with Natalee?

    63. cvc on August 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

      Probably doesn’t. Unless you use your imagination.

    64. Frederic Nitz on August 20th, 2010 6:59 pm

      Looks to me like a tire and some streaks of light.

    65. cvc on August 20th, 2010 9:36 pm

      A&E (the television network) is going to air a special tomorrow night, Saturday, August 21st called “Who Is the Real Joran Van Der Sloot” at 9:00 central, 10:00 eastern time.

    66. cvc on August 20th, 2010 9:41 pm

      I doubt it will have any new information but at least it is something. I just hope Joran and Anita didn’t get paid for it. Did I see on the forum that possibly Joran’s youngest brother is in trouble with the law?

    67. Susan on August 21st, 2010 7:29 am

      Appeals panel considers van der Sloot’s confession

      By the CNN Wire Staff
      August 20, 2010 6:39 p.m. EDT


      Joran van der Sloot claims his rights were violated during police questioning
      He is charged in the killing of a 21-year-old woman in Peru
      A Peruvian panel of judges is considering his appeal

      (CNN) — A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

      The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

      “We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn’t an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney,” van der Sloot’s attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In

      Session on Friday.

      Van der Sloot is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old student.

      The 22-year-old Dutch citizen, who claims in court documents that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay in July. Van der Sloot says Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, said Altez.

      Romero has denied those allegations.

      In June, a superior court judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of van der Sloot. Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as “unfounded” van der Sloot’s habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney.

      Van der Sloot also claimed his laptop had been improperly searched.

      In an official press release, the judge said the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

      Separately, van der Sloot remains a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, though he has not been charged in that case.

    68. Lisa in Maryland on August 21st, 2010 7:49 pm

      Thanks CVC I’d like to see it!

      Hi Susan I’m glad you post these articles from time to time, sometimes I’m just too busy to keep up. I’ve been thinking that it really doesn’t matter too much about Joran’s confession. They have enough evidence to prove he did it.

      What I am really wondering about is what happened to the DNA evidence report??? It’s been over 2 months and we haven’t heard any reports on that.

      No news media follow up on when Aruban prosecutor is going to Peru to talk to him either??? I know Aruba is always asleep at the wheel but is everyone on Holiday???

    69. Susan on August 22nd, 2010 7:30 am

      van der Sloot: serial confessions…serial take backs

      Last Update: 8/21 2:33 pm (AP)

      Birmingham, Al (WIAT) It’s just speculation that Joran van der Sloot is a serial killer. It’s a fact that van der Sloot is a serial confessor.

      He’s confessed to disposing of Natalee Holloway’s body. He’s confessed to killing Stephany Flores in Peru. But those confessions are always later denied or taken back. And now, van der Sloot’s lawyer in Peru says the Dutchman’s murder confession must be thrown out because it was coerced.

      Lawyer Max Altez told the Dutch website BNDESTEM.NL van der Sloot’s fundamental rights have been violated. “I appeal for as long until that happens. If necessary to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.”

      Van der Sloot is facing charges he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores. The student’s body was found in van der Sloot’s Lima hotel room five years to the day after the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot who is considered the prime suspect in the case but has never been charged by Aruban authorities.

      Van der Sloot has been indicted by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham on extortion and wire fraud charges. The U.S. attorney’s office here says van der Sloot took money and promised to tell Natalee’s family what happened in Aruba five years ago. No information was delivered to the Holloways. Those charges are apparently stuck in a legal line behind the Peruvian murder charges.

      Other international news sources say a decision of the latest appeal could come as soon as next week. An earlier appeal on the same basic grounds: alleged coercion, legal misrepresentation and problems with translation were considered and thrown out previously by a Peruvian judge. Altez has taken the case to a three judge appeals panel.

      The case involves heated passions in Peru which as seen a rash of local women apparently killed by visiting foreigners. Altez says he’s been threatened. “There are stones thrown at my office and relatives in Miami have also received threats.” He says he’s sticking with the case. “But after I had taken steps to ensure my safety, I decided to go.”

      In yet another strange note in a story that now stretches over five continents (including allegations van der Sloot was involved in a sex slave ring in Thailand), Peter de Vries, the Dutch TV reporter who recorded van der Sloot’s confession he dumped Natalee’s body in the sea has been released on bail in Australia where he was arrested for trespass while chasing another accused murderer.

    70. Susan on August 22nd, 2010 7:39 am

      Lisa in Maryland – I know just how difficult it can be trying to keep up with the latest news on Natalee, or anything pertaining to the MONSTER who took her life away, especially when the story first broke.

      I was on a business trip last week in Kentucky and will be on a pleasure trip to Mississippi this week. Between work, home, the kids, etc. it’s not always easy to find time for anything else.

    71. cvc on August 22nd, 2010 6:06 pm

      I loved how on the “Who is the Real Joran Van Der Sloot” program last night Aruba blamed Beth and the American media for the fact that Joran and the Kalpoes were never convicted for the murder of Natalee Holloway. Yeah, that’s what happened!

    72. None of ur business on August 28th, 2010 4:01 pm

      Susan your a real stupid b*****!
      Number 1.
      Natalee was having fun… so much fun that she jumped in a car with two strangers. which smart girl of today does that. But i quess you forget about that. Is the whole island two blam for 1 crazy guy and a american girl that lost control ?
      Number 2
      ALE is behind all illegal human trafficking activity on that drug infested, poverty stricken, lawless, third world isle of Aruba.
      We are just as drug infested and human traficking as where you live.
      Aruba has never been through some thing like this in its history so F#$k all you who talk shit about the island.

      SM: I had to respond to this A**

      Number 1 – interesting comment by you that she got into the car with 2 STRANGERS when most people would say 3. Which one of the 2 are you, Deepak or Satish? My guess would be Deepak since you are an A**

      Number 2 - this isn’t about the USA or any country other than Aruba. We will continue to talk what you call sh** about your island and people as long as you continue to coverup Natalee’s murder. We owe Aruba nothing.


    73. cvc on August 28th, 2010 5:52 pm

      I don’t know about everyone else but where I live no one has just disappeared off the face of the earth, no one is a suspected victim of human traffiking, no one here is spewing confessions one right after another concerning a missing person last seen with him, my local police department would never just ignore a person spewing confessions concerning a missing girl, and where I live if a person did just disappear my community would come together and support and help that person’s mother and family until she was found. Dear God in heaven, we are just talking basic human decency here and it is just not happening in Aruba. Who, in their right mind, can defend that place? Also, why is Susan a “stupid B**ch?”

    74. Susan on August 28th, 2010 7:13 pm

      #72 – None of ur business

      Number 1 – Yes, the entire poverty stricken, drug infested, lawless third world cesspool of Aruba is responsible for Natalee’s disappearance!

      Number 2 – Yes, ALE is behind all of the illegal human trafficking that takes place in Aruba, Thailand and every place else on the face of the earth!!

      Who the hell do you think you are calling me “a real stupid b****”???

      Allow me to point out a few stupid mistakes you made in your comments:

      Bitch only has five letters in it, not six!

      You should have written “you are”, not “your”.

      As klaasend pointed out, there were three strangers who abducted Natalee, not two.

      You should have written “to”, not “two”.

      Speak for yourself, DOPE! STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES! Apparently you didn’t make it passed the second grade…lmao!

    75. cvc on August 28th, 2010 8:26 pm

      And another thing…the only thing you can blame Natalee for is being too trusting and possibly a little naive. Mountain Brook, Alabama is a quiet, safe, beautiful place and the crime rate is incredibly low. The beauty and the lack of crime are the two main reasons that people live there and choose to raise their children there. The schools are excellent and Natalee was a product of those schools and a product of that community where everyone watches out for everyone else and the teenage children feel safe and protected. There are no casinos, no strip clubs, no fronts for human trafficking in Mountain Brook, Alabama. I can also assure you that if those kinds of places somehow managed to exist in Mountain Brook, Alabama the people of that community would never allow an underage child to frequent them as Joran van der Sloot’s parents did. How sad that two girls had to lose their lives because these parents and the community they lived in allowed this monster to be created in the first place. And yes, Aruba is just as responsible for those two deaths as Joran van der Sloot and his parents.

    76. krieton on August 28th, 2010 10:50 pm

      interestingly joran had the confidence that he was safe when traveling around south america,probably because he was told that almost no coverage of natalee’s disappearance was released in south america.purposely,so that he would have a safe when information was discovered he panicked.makes a person wonder why no coverage of natalee was ever made availible.not evan the reward for her return.just like now,I bet no one in peru knows about any kind of reward for her,even now

    77. Frederic Nitz on August 29th, 2010 4:42 am

      Right on, Susan! I think #72 is a real ass and obviously a stupid Aruban. Trying again to blame the victim.

      There is a killer out there and his name is Joran. The sooner we dispose of him, the better.

    78. Susan on August 29th, 2010 8:38 am

      Thanks, cvc :-) I agree with everything you brought out in your comments, especially #75.

    79. cvc on August 29th, 2010 11:43 am

      This whole thing with Natalee boils down to a couple things having to fall into place. Unfortunately all the pieces fit and now she is gone. First, a wholesome group of great kids make the mistake of going to a crime-riddled crap hole to celebrate their graduation. Second, this group of kids is seen in the Holiday Inn casino by Joran and his father. Third, the group is targeted by these two predators and from what Joran says he actually chose one of the other Mountain Brook girls as his target originally but when he got to Carlos and Charlies he decided on Natalee when she paid him attention and flirted with him. Next he had the bartender drug her drink and from then on he was totally in control of Natalee and what happened to her. The fact that a place like Aruba was the backdrop was the only way that all of this could play out like it did. Crime breeds crime. Criminals are drawn to a place where crime is not only tolerated but encouraged. There were a lot of players involved in her disappearance and it couldn’t have played out just anywhere. Way to go Aruba.

    80. Frederic Nitz on August 29th, 2010 12:18 pm

      Aruba sucks. There is no other explanation.

      Let’s let JVDS kill a beautiful woman and then let him walk.

      What a degenerate country.

    81. cvc on August 29th, 2010 2:04 pm

      Degenerate countries and degenerate families produce degenerates. An adolescent brain cannot deal with the exposure to the corruption that is found on Aruba without grave consequences. There was no moral guidance coming from the home, Joran didn’t even live under the same roof as his parents. There was no moral guidance coming from the community, everyone including the police and politicians were corrupt. I’m not defending Joran van der Sloot, I’m just saying that if I was the parent of an adolescent in Aruba I would have that child and myself on the next plane out of there.

    82. cvc on August 31st, 2010 5:29 pm

      I have been in Nashville. Did I miss the decision by the panel of judges on whether to allow the confession by Joran in Stefany’s murder? Is anything going on?

    83. Frederic Nitz on September 1st, 2010 12:23 am

      I haven’t seen anything.

    84. cvc on September 1st, 2010 10:05 pm

      Hi Frederic, Thanks. On the SM Forum they were talking earlier about the woman who comes to see Joran once or twice a week and that he has said that she is his girlfriend. Word is Anita pays this woman $100 a month or a week (?) to visit him, bring him food, and then report back to Anita on how he is doing. They also say that this woman visits him in his cell. Boy, when Anita says that she is writing someone off and having nothing what so ever to do with them she really means it! Anita lies more than Joran.

    85. Frederic Nitz on September 2nd, 2010 11:44 pm

      Although “girlfriend” is used rather loosly here as they have not had any conjugal visits.

      If I were her, I would be very cautious as Joran’s last girlfriends have not done all that well.

    86. cvc on September 3rd, 2010 2:01 pm

      If Joran says she is his girlfriend then we all know that she isn’t his girlfriend because everything he says is a lie. I’m not so sure he could actually pull off a conjugal visit. I have often wondered if sexual problems are the reason for his rage and the reason these two girls are now dead. I can’t believe they allow this woman to visit him in his cell for thirty minutes or so at a time. It seems that he is being given a lot of favors or consideration in a prison that is supposed to be so terrible.

    87. vhj on September 3rd, 2010 11:02 pm

      Facebook now operating closely with organized crime.gathering identity and locations lists which they share with criminals.RARELY WRONG.RIGHT FACEBOOK?

    88. vhj on September 3rd, 2010 11:05 pm

      suddenly need contact info and current location.yea thier so important.get right on it.

    89. Frederic Nitz on September 4th, 2010 1:17 am

      It would be nice if Peru would turn him out to the GP but I don’t think they will until after the trial. That should be in about two years.

    90. krieton on September 4th, 2010 5:43 pm

      don’t worry vhj.this is a public message for,anyone threatening my brother.TRY SOMETHING.and you will see how easy it is to evan the score and then some.this message is mostly for the HA-HA the cry baby chicago mob?

    91. krieton on September 4th, 2010 5:48 pm

      you have your rules,and we don’t.

    92. cvc on September 4th, 2010 5:48 pm

      Two of Natalee’s best friends from high school have done an interview in Glamour magazine and someone has posted in on the SM forum #845. It made me cry.

    93. krieton on September 4th, 2010 6:40 pm

      DON’T threaten my bro,or yes we will make awful choices.

    94. Frederic Nitz on September 4th, 2010 11:15 pm

      If you are making threats on a public board, the FBI will be after you in short order. You have got to be borderline stupid.

      Are you a Kalpoe?

      I have forwarded copies of your messages to the FBI.

    95. Susan on September 5th, 2010 11:32 am

      I’m sure the FBI will be right on it…lmao! There were so many “threats” made on the Yahoo message boards (before it was shut down for liable, slander, etc.) when Natalee first disappeared, Yahoo made SM look like mere childs play.

    96. Frederic Nitz on September 5th, 2010 1:56 pm

      Every state has laws against electronic threats. States can pursue the crime individually or collectively. And it is not civil code, it is criminal. Also, it doesn’t matter if it is international. A complaint can still be filed.

      It is not ignored if it is pointed out. A friend at the local FBI office is looking into it even as we speak.

    97. cvc on September 5th, 2010 3:09 pm

      Maybe it is Joran’s brother. Sounds like a van der Sloot to me. Very cowardly.

    98. cvc on September 5th, 2010 4:35 pm

      I am absolutely in shock. I have always wondered how and why Anita van der Sloot continues to live on the island of Aruba with her youngest son. Now I see photos on the SM Forum where Anita is out at a party given by the Mansurs and there are young boys shown in photos with the youngest van der Sloot son who appear to be his friends. Who in their right mind would allow their child to be involved with the van der Sloot family in any way? How can anyone from the island of Aruba come on this website and yell and scream about how SMs is hurting the island of Aruba when it is obvious that the people of Aruba embrace the van der Sloots? The people of that God forsaken island never cease to stun me with how low they will sink. What kind of parent allows their child to be a friend to the brother of Joran van der Sloot? I guess the youngest brother has all those kids in the photos over for slumber parties in the guest house where Joran used to live. I bet they all sneak out and go to the casinos without Anita knowing it. “It’s midnight, do you know where your children are?”

    99. meemee on September 11th, 2010 8:55 am

      i said it 5 years ago will say it again,

    100. Ruud on December 10th, 2010 2:07 pm
      Where is the passengerlist ? Natalee: “I don’t want to go home”. How is this???

    101. joseph carter on July 23rd, 2012 9:49 am

      I have beenn all over the world playing baseball and I never hade a shapperone on the plane in the us and remember a man down. you ever thing a shaperone could be in on it two.

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