RSSThe Search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba … Golba & Tim Miller (TES) Tensions Between Land and Deep Water Searches
Natalee Holloway has been missing for nearly 4 years in Aruba and suddenly the search activity for the missing Alabama, then high school teen, has taken center stage again. It was recently reported last week that Fred Golba was headed to Aruba with his search dog, Rino, to look in a retention pond area that had been previously searched.
What I found a bit odd when I heard that Golba and Rino were headed to search in Aruba off the tips of a witness that TES helped fins and bring to the US for a polygraph was that Golba was the one actually doing the search. TES and Golba have not seen eye to eye in the past with regards to searches or certification of cadaver dogs.
The fact that Golba went to Aruba for the search was interesting even if he had been there several times in the past. Searches for Natalee are a good thing, as long as their intentions are well intended. However, there might be some tensions being created between Golba and Texas Equusearch by the manner in how Fred Golba went about going to Aruba and following Aruba’s rules according to NBC13. Tim Miller and TES plan on going back to Aruba to continue with the deep water search; however, are concerned that Golba might be damaging potential future searches if he does not follow Aruba’s rules.
Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.
They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.
Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.
“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.
But Miller is worried Fred Golba is damaging relationships with Aruba’s government—- possibly for all future search parties – because he allegedly isn’t following Aruba’s rules.
Golba allegedly did not get permission beforehand from Aruba before arriving on the island for his current search. Plus, Aruban officials learned about it through the media.
“When people do this, and take off over there like a Rambo, how in the world can we expect to get any future cooperation from the Aruban authorities?“ wonders Miller.
It would also appear that Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch, does not have much to say about Golba or Nancy Grace in her media coverage of events.
Miller doesn’t think there’s much chance Natalee’s remains are in the pond Golba plans to spend the next two weeks searching. He also doesn’t think much of Golba’s efforts.
“All he’s doing – and Nancy Grace is letting him do it – is turning Natalee’s disappearance into entertainment. This is just putting on a show as far as I’m concerned and ruining relationships we do have with authorities in Aruba,“ warns Miller.
UPDATE:
Texas Equusearch Dispels Media Reports Concerning Natalee Holloway Case
Posted March 26, 2009 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Main, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Search and Recovery, Texas Equusearch | 103 comments |
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In the last article it said aruba was welcoming Golba ??? looks like aruba cant agree to disagree ??? I think the TES and Golba is like Coke and Pepsi they are in competition.
Good luck to both of the search parties and I hope TES gets to aruba as soon as posable.
God Bless the Holloways
Gosh I just love Tim Miller no really .Im willing to ban Nancy Grace from my viewing because Tim is right.I had no idea Golba just showed up in Aruba,I thought the government new before any media outlets,so mabey Golba’s just looking for some coverage and not Natalee.
Geez guys!! …. can’t we all just get along. Aruba’s gotta love the in-fighting!
Golba did not tell the media.The media got a tip from a airline employee who phoned it in. I think the Aruba government officials got mad about that but it was not Golba’s fault.
good for Tim Miller.. glad he is returning. Just goes back to Paulus the…. saying if they have no body , they have no case to the 3, within 36hours of Natalee missing. Why would he care, since they already framed 2 black guards for crimes.
Couldn’t be much worse when the prime minister after Natalee was missing about 6 months, said,I am sick of this case.
Aruba has lots of rules when it comes to a missing/dead tourist..but no rules for the locals with connections who prey on tourists, lie, lie,lie and frame others for kidnapping and murder. Like Deepak told one of the guards in jail.. The Dutch guy, his father, and family all sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie(before it was known publicly Natalee was missing). Even have one of them saying in a chat session, the fact the girl is dead is not good. Barney Fife could’ve solved this the first week.
The Golba search will be an excuse for Aruba to not allow Tim to search the ocean. They do not want Natalee found.
Let’s all send obongo a trip to aruba
I thought that the conventional wisdom at scared monkeys was that Natalee’s remains were already found in a crab-trap. Obviously, the people in a position to know don’t agree.
I also heard that Aruban authorities are draining the pond that Golba is searching. So much for claims that ALE is standing in the way of anything or, at the very least, is not offering any assistance to the latest searches.
Oh, by the way, Tim Miller and TES will receive the same high level of cooperation from ALE that they have gotten used to from past experiences.
I see that the Amigoe had NO article about Golba going or being there. Did Jossy have any article in his paper?
1.5 million dollars is a lot of money that has been raised and I do hope those efforts come to fruition and Natalee is found ~ rest her soul…
I thought, what if 1.5 million dollars was offered in reward money ~ would someone come forward, and Natalee be then found? What would it take for someone to tell the truth?
4 years now ~ such a shame that this family has suffered so long for their loved one and it makes a lot of our hearts ache for them not knowing where their beloved daughter is… many of us, have not forgotten ~ blessings to the Holloway family and praying there is resolve ~ with these latest searches…
Go Tim & Fred! I hope one of them helps find her.
Any news of the ship? Pictures? Blog?
Perhaps the search will remain obscure?
Go Tim & Fred!
Bring Natalee home!
#8
Keep drinking that Aruban punch, my dear paid
internet propagandist based out of Birmingham, AL.
you heard it here first folks…
#8
LOL
# 8 – WHATEVER, DIRTY RAT FINK!
ALE NEVER ONCE ASSISTED ANYONE IN THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VAN DER SLUT’S HELPING THEM TO COVER UP THEIR DIRTY DEEDS!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Nice to see you, Carpe!
Allowing Natalee’s remains to come home is the first step Aruba can take toward ending this case and at least starting down the long path toward restoration to where they were before it. I have no doubt that past or present members of ALE have control over or knowledge of those remains. Aruba continues to wish away what will never end without them choosing to return her. That would be the first step in an untraveled and right direction. No need to hold your breath.
susan, you say things as if arubians has the fault of what happend to the girl, ofcourse we feel the pain of the familie but BOYCOTT ARUBA?? have you thought of all the people who live here?? kids, old peeps?? in the US EVERYDAY something happens, even to poor little children!! do we need to BOYCOTT YOU???? please choose ur word carefully if you respect yourself and other communities. It isn’t even about an aruban citizen that commited the crime. common sence is very difficult to have as a human being but at pretend you have a bit….thank you!
Salt water is very very corrosive,almost like acid. How long will bones last in such an enviornment?
#18 Suki;
You make a good point,however, the officials of your heavenly island have participated in corruption in the form of a cover up that can not ever be accepted of forgotten. Your officials are to blame for protecting Joron and Paulas Vandersloot who as you put are not even citizens of Aruba. Now LMN is going to air the whole story time after time over the next several years based on fact. There are alot of mad americans who want justice at any cost. I hope you don’t depend on tourism for your living. You seem like a nice Aruban person. Remember your officials are responsible,not the American people.
ayfit – Human bones were found in a “blue hole” in the Bahamas estimated to be thousands of years old. These bones were in salt water.
suki -
Yes, dear, I’ve thought about how the innocent people on the drug infested, poverty stricken, lawless, third world Dutch protectorate of Aruba would be affected if we BOYCOTT travel to that Godforsaken hell hole. The innocent Aruban people have NO ONE TO BLAME for the BOYCOTT, except ALE, and the van der Slut’s.
How would you feel if you were in Natalee’s parents shoes??? THINK ABOUT!!
Please BOYCOTT me, okay
Common sense? What’s that…LOL???
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Oh, God…
Will the real Susan please stand up!
J/K
Hey, Waterboy…
My Words of Wisdom for the Day:
Check out the Turtle Garden…
.
Light the Fires!
Actually, what I want to know is what’s wrong with Tim Miller, lately? Finding Natalee is not some sort of contest! Obviously, Golba is following his heart… seems like a good place to start.
What happened to those bones anyway?
.
Justice for Natalee!
And, last but not least, Klaas:
You can’t make square blocks fit in round holes. Maybe if people would just let justice happen it would come… everybody has to have an opinion. All he needs is a tooth or a bone fragment to prove that Natalee was buried there and all the pieces of the puzzle will fit. Besides, we all know what happens in Aruba when the rain comes down… the bones wash up.
Don’t EVER give up hope!
Chao…
Ayfit:
Don’t you remember that whole carcass (minus all it’s appendages) that was found on the beach under the natural bridge? It was an ancient Indian specimen that had to be picked up and rushed to the Museum of Natural History by that lady that’s always at the right place at the right time. An Arawak from the 1600′s, the paper said…
Laugh Out LOUD!
Ay hope I fit, too
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Burp ‘em up, Aruba!
ALL them Bones…
http://tinyurl.com/cuv5am
Beat the Drums!
Hey!
How’d she do that?
Just like that
http://tinyurl.com/dn8nuy
Nite…
p.s. I did a search of recent searches in FL., and learned this guy Miller is criticizing did something remarkable without a dime of Tim’s million dollar operation.
Mr. Golba saw an ad in a market in Sebastian, FL. about a lady who went missing last August. He pulled together several groups in February and offered his help.
This group found the woman’s remains – Marcia Hulihan – within five hours.
Mr. Golba didn’t have a dime. Just organized these folks on his own and was supported by the Sebastian Police, who then thanked him.
If I was Mr. Miller, I’d watch how those funds are being spent, since once you start throwing mud on fellow searchers, it just may come back to stick on your own porch.
I’m totally confused Tim Miller’s web site says this is entirely untrue that the economy has hurt donations terribly and that he has no such search planned. I pray he does but I don’t think this is so cause on his site it says this is untrue and is hurting his collects for people to report this???? Could someone get to the bottom of this and get us the truth from someone who really knows? Klass I know you all deal with Tim Miller so which is the correct story?
Katie:
You’ve got the midas touch…
Check out the update!
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Klaas:
You ever hear anything about Steve Croes being
a suspect in Amy Bradley’s disappearance?
Geesh!
Someone needs to Stand Up…
suki Susan has the right to say what ever she wants to about the hell hole you call arube !!! The place is not even fit for a colony of lepars !!! Down with that turd of an island you call aruba and the vandercraps that live there !!!
Excerpts from link posted in comment #27:
Quote from Above:
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The museum says that this conclusion must clear up all speculations that went around after the bones were discovered. Thanks to good arrangements with the police, the archaeologists were there fast. Due to their forensic knowledge network, archaeologists are always called when bones are found in Aruba. They couldn’t beat the desecrators
{DEFINITION: ONE THAT ABUSES THE SACREDNESS OF}
of graves though. The scull and jaw were missing and some of the bones were not right qua ‘anatomic context’
{ANATOMIC, OBVIOUSLY, MEANS SKELETAL; WHILE CON TEXTURE IS THE ACT OF WEAVING OR ASSEMBLING PARTS INTO A WHOLE, AN ARRANGEMENT OF INTERCONNECTED PARTS; STRUCTURE. SO, JUST LIKE PITBULL, THIS BODY HAD PARTS, INCLUDING THE HEAD MISSING}.
The archaeologists do not think that only nature was to be blamed for this. Despite the big cultural-historic value, it seems that people have opened the tomb.
{THIS IS ASSUMING, OFCOURSE, THAT ALL THE PARTS OF THE BODY WERE INTERCONNECTED AND INTACT WHEN THE PERSON WAS BURIED}.
It now appears that these people {ARUBANS} also knew that there were more persons on board of the Hero that were buried here after they were washed ashore. All the tombstones were removed and sold.
Can you imagine how many people in Aruba have their own private “archaeological collection”, says MAA-archaeologist Raymundo Dijkhoff that hates the fact that the authorities do not do anything against this. “Even though the Malta-treaty can offer protection, and that the Netherlands has ratified it, there is still no good legislation to act against these practices.”
Educational museum employee Marguerita Wever said that people do not always realize that they are damaging their cultural heritage. “They often leave initials behind or they use the old bones in voodoo rituals.
{VOODOO RITUALS! LIKE THAT OF USING A SKELETAL SKULL OR HAND TO CAST MAGICAL SPELLS AGAINST YOUR RIVALS.
DEFINITION: A RELIGIOUS CULT CHARACTERIZED BY A BELIEF IN SORCERY, FETISHES, AND RITUALS IN WHICH PARTICIPANTS COMMUNICATE BY TRANCE WITH ANCESTORS, SAINTS OR ANIMISTIC DEITIES.
The biggest chance on damage is when something is discovered on private territories, when a house is being built for example. A lot depends on the goodwill of the owners. The owner of the Natural Bridge and surroundings was involved in these sailor tombs.
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Slowly, but surely, the truth of Aruba is being revealed. With the eyes of the world upon this small nation, there is no doubt that there will be more and more discoveries of bones, headless bodies and the intertwining of voodoo practices among many of their societal customs.
The dissection of information or the wisdom to actually SEE what you’re looking at is not being psychic, nor is it difficult.
Justice for Natalee
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brie on October 21st, 2007 4:08 pm
A fisherman’s cage was stolen when Natalee disappeared, was is used to bury her at sea, or was it meant to be another obstacle in screwing up the so-called investigation…..first they said there were no boats out and now we find out otherwise. A boat could of gone out but took Natalee to Lorenzo’s. From there he used his fast cigar boat and headed for Venezuela. Just a thought!
Or, was she put in the fisherman’s cage and taken out to sea and weighted down to the depths of international waters. They figured no one had the equipment to find her.
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# waterboy (Jerry) on October 20th, 2007 10:46 pm
When they found the bones, they knew in an instant that it was the bones of a German. How did they know?
Jerry
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Posted by Scared Monkeys
[...] First it a skeleton found by tourists, now there appears to have been even more bones found in Aruba. According to this poster, a human forearm bone was found in Aruba and confirmed by the ALE. This seems to be a common occurrence these days in Aruba. Who needs to comb the shores for sea shells when you can look for human bones instead. I guess the ATA and AHATA may want to add that to their travel brochures as things to do while in Aruba. There is some thing that I want to find washing up on shore while on vacation. [...]
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That’s the name… Marguerita Wever!
It’s fun looking through these old articles.
Nite, for real, this time…
HAHAH ! at @#8–Carpe called you right out and we got your number anyway, you Troll! Pathetic.
Like many bloggers here-I still maintain that while Joran mixed many lies with some truths–that Nat’s remains were indeed dumped out at Sea…so Tim Miller is right on the money there that the current search will be futile. Also agree with his comments regarding the NG take. Let’s not forget, contractually she is bound and the Network surely is all about sensationalizing and keeping controversial stories in the limelight. I guess my take is that although it’s right to question the motives—any coverage after 4 years of this complete injustice—still burns an image in America’s minds-(and not a positive one) of that stinking, corrupt Island.
If anyone can locate Natalee Holloway’s remains on the bottom of that vast, aqua blue Ocean floor, it would be TM & Texas Equusearch. We stand behind Tim and, as always…
We Stand By The Girl
-J4N
-J4C
[...] posted yesterday regarding the story that TES was headed back to Aruba to continue the deep water search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba. I had an opportunity to talk with Tim Miller, founder of Texas [...]
#35, glad you have my number. Call me anytime and we can chat.
I guess I was right about what I said two days ago, too. Aruban authorities are, in fact, draining the pond to aid Golba’s search efforts.
Dotratc:
What is the Malta Treaty and what does it mean?
#26 Hope’
Good try,I hope you fit as well,however ,not even close on the meaning or where AYFIT comes from or what the name stands for. Only two people know.
Ayfit:
Does it really matter? Are you here to make a name for yourself or to enjoy blogging about what you care most about in this world? It matters not, to me or anyone, what your name is… only how you are perceived. In my opinion, this is a blog to educate people… to let them know the dangers that exist, not only in Aruba, but worldwide. Please, correct me if I’m wrong.
Rumor is, there’s alot of in-fighting going on in the Forum. Does it have to spill-out on to the front page, as well? What happened to the Scared Monkeys that many of us came to love?
But, I will say I’m sorry if I offended you.
Patti
Hope you are right.You made reference to the name.I responded.My bad.Justice for Natalee is ALL I care about here. Make no mistake about it!!No offense taken.
New Girl:
Our support of Tim and TES goes without saying… but he is human just like the rest of us. I’m growing concerned for him. I think he holds the task of finding Natalee close to his heart and wants, more than anything, to find Natalee… but he has to come to appreciate that others feel that closeness to Nat, as well. While he has put the most effort into the task, it would be only fair that he be the one to bring justice to the parents of the little girl that, probably, reminds him of his own daughter. But, if confronted with the question, I’m sure that he wouldn’t care WHO found her as long as she’s returned to her family. No matter what happens, he will always be a hero in my book.
Personally, I don’t think she’s in the sea; but no doubt there are plenty of bones to be found within its’ waters, skeletal remains and drug drop off points. And, I don’t think the island would go to this extreme to cover up the crime if it were a case of three guys looking for a good time ie. a date drugging and rape that resulted in death… that happens everywhere! In my opinion, the officials are covering something that is a lot more sinister than that… something that would be devastating to their reputation and thus their livelihood. They underestimated the love that Natalee’s family has for her and they blew it. Aruba tried to keep a secret from the world and have lost everything in the bargain. The sins committed against Natalee go a lot further than a ‘Judge in Training’ and a son who holds his allegiance to his family higher than his compassion for his fellow man. But, there is no doubt in my mind that, sooner or later, those secrets will be revealed. Maybe during the next elections or shortly thereafter.
And if you find it hard to believe that
government officials can be THAT corrupt…
Take a gander:
http://tinyurl.com/chzpmg
Hope,
# waterboy (Jerry) on October 20th, 2007 10:46 pm
When they found the bones, they knew in an instant that it was the bones of a German. How did they know?
Jerry
Hey, Waterboy…
My Words of Wisdom for the Day:
Check out the Turtle Garden…
.
Light the Fires!
Hope,
I posted that? It does sound like something I would post. I’m half German, so the joke must be on me. If my wife were to ask me , I would say because there were cabbage maggots crawling in and out of the skeleton. Gross, I know. Have you ever grown cabbage? It’s easy and fun.
Light the fires???? As in a celebration of sort? Tell me, I don’t know.
Jerry
Hope,
Okay, I remember. I just don’t remember the answer. I was talking about 1886, when 12 major hurricanes hit Aruba. I don’t know if I posted it all or not.
Jerry
Hope,
My heart really goes out to Beth and Dave and others like Murph, who knew Natalee.
Some times I just write, trying to sort out my feelings, and I don’t post it all. I’ve written 482 pages of post, and I don’t know how much I’ve posted. Not a fraction, I’m sure. If it is something inappropriate, I don’t post. Maybe the German joke was an exception, or posted by accident. I post some hidden messages and codes, but I have no special knowledge of the case and no extraordinary skills.
I try not to post if it is centered on me. I’m afraid this one is too self-centered.
If a post is not true, or a distortion of the truth, I classify it as fiction; and it’s not posted. There are numerous exceptions.
Jerry
Okay, one more post, and then I have got to go to bed. It is so late.
I can’t believe that Tim Miller has 140 sites he wants a closer look at. There must be a lot lost objects on the ocean bottom.
Tim must be one of the humblest men on earth (sounds like Moses). He has done so much, and helped so many, and his soul pushes him on and on to do more, and help more.
Honestly, I wish they would revisit the landfill. I don’t know if a million and a half would be enough, maybe.
Jerry
I always believed Junior.
Good night.
Jerry
#38, I’ve never heard of the Malta Treaty. Why do you ask? I googled it and found some articles about a series of treaties between the Mediterranean island nation of Malta and various other countries, including the U.S., to aviod double taxation on foreign investments and workers on Malta. Is that what you’re asking about? If so, then I repeat my previous question, why do you ask? What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?
#46, you’re joking, right? 12 major hurricanes in 1886???
Someone help me.
When Joran murdered his pet dog and blamed it on another kid, didn’t he dispose of the dog by weighting it down and throwing it near a damn. Is this the area they are talking about?
If someone has a picture or a satellite photo, please help me out and post it.
Jerry
Waterboy?
I believe Junior, too.
There was a blond girl cast into the landfill.
Problem is:
I don’t think it was Natalee.
dotratc:
Hey…
Don’t worry about it. I have a friend looking into it.
Say bye-bye to Aruba for me…
I think they’re going to get hit with another disaster.
America:
Please don’t take your children
or other family members to Aruba!
dotratc,
Yes,
11 hit the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Atlantic_hurricane_season
suki on March 26th, 2009 8:16 pm
susan, you say things as if arubians has the fault of what happend to the girl, ofcourse we feel the pain of the familie but BOYCOTT ARUBA?? have you thought of all the people who live here?? kids, old peeps?? in the US EVERYDAY something happens, even to poor little children!! do we need to BOYCOTT YOU???? please choose ur word carefully if you respect yourself and other communities. It isn’t even about an aruban citizen that commited the crime. common sence is very difficult to have as a human being but at pretend you have a bit….thank you!
Sure bad things happen everywhere, but if you can find a case of someone from Aruba missing in the usa treated by the people and the law enforcement in place as Natalee and her family have been treated , please name them? Do you people really believe 3 guys go out to move in on one tourist girl at closing time.. to take her riding around and then all go home like choir boys and a space ship got her? LIES LIES LIARS. What if it were your family and you arrived to have the cops tell you dont worry go have a beer , but look out they might drug you or how much money do you have? Sorry, but I would want any female to go to Aruba.
^oops WOULDN’T
Hope,
You can correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Junior describe the girl as “covered in mud”? Maybe Joran and Paulus recovered Natalee’s body from the pond and moved it to the landfill.
If it was another body, then who? The only death that I know of at about that time was a lady that was married to a Weaver. She was 42, I believe. How she died, I don’t know.
There was a young girl who was missing and they found her body when they were looking for Natalee. She had been missing for a year. I think she was 15 (about 90% sure). I have a picture of her body somewhere. She had a band on like you would wear in a nightclub. Of course, they don’t care how old they are. Anyone can drink there.
She was found in an area that had been searched heavily in the past, but was searched again for Natalee. Makes me think someone moved the body there. It is like the old game of hide and seek. The best place to hide is somewhere your seeker has already looked.
Jerry
I kept thinking the video taken at the rocks would somehow fit into all this. I can’t remember the video number now, but I was convinced that the yahoo in the white jacked lifted a human hand, and wrapped it in plastic. I don’t know now what to think. The whole thing is like a bad dream. There are so many twist and turns; I would love for someone to fully explain the meaning of each turn. Could our minds have just fabricated all the parts? Dave and Beth, as far as I know, never went off on the tangents that I have.
Jerry
Is there anyone out there who does not believe that Joran murdered Natalee? I’d like to hear from you.
Jerry
Jerry:
#60
Yeah, me too… and I still do. But, I’m not convinced it was Natalee. It was a merciless death. I think it was the boy and girl from the lighthouse who were caught on the tape. I also think that Pitbull was a sacrificial killing… Maybe they knew too much and were going to talk, either way it was because they were good. No good deed goes unpunished. Every possible witness was killed.
I looked into the face of Amy Bradley posing for a centerfold and I saw a woman that could deal with whatever she had to deal with in life… and it made me realize that there are, literally, millions of possibilities.
We have school teachers telling us that the high school graduates’ holy communion was coming up so they had to end their strikes… on an island that keeps up the appearances of being Catholic; while, in fact, they worship pagan gods – always have and always will.
We have the airplane dispatchers in Curacao saying that there was a plane waiting for Natalee, parked on the runway, at the airport. How do you know they aren’t switching people… instead of moving bodies.
And we have the F.B.I. telling the family that Joran has confessed… Natalee is gone and her body is being retrieved; when Oduber calls in from HIS plane (supposedly) and makes a radio announcement that it is best to cover the crime as it would be an embarrassment to his countrymen and would tarnish the ‘reputation’ of the island…. and everything from then on has been ‘hush hush’ in Aruba.
We have the judge in this case, from Curacao, who spent the night at Paulus’ house and is a close friend of the family. We have the Ministers and their Chief Investigators doing everything to botch this case and Joran running to the worst possible areas of the world for refuge.
In the words of the attorney for the Holloways, if she is not found on the island of Aruba, the only logical explanation is that she was a victim of International Human Trafficking… and that sums up the way that I feel, too. That statement totally disregards the body at the rocks. They have to know more than we do.
So in the end, imo, Natalee is missing and we have video tape of a girl at the rocks whose murder, along with all the rest of the people that could have witnessed in behalf of the prosecution… dead. They’re provided with false death certificates and their murders are covered over, just as most the other murders that require investigation… Everything is deemed an ‘accident’ and all the drug trafficking, human trafficking and crimes committed against humanity are ignored. Obviously, we’re dealing with deep-seeded corruption.
#56, thanks for the wiki link. According to Wiki, there were twelve storms that would have been named storms if they named them back in those days. Two never exceeded tropical storm strength and only four reached category three status. A far cry from saying that there were twelve major hurricances that year.
What’s more, only one of them (Hurricane Six) came anywhere near Aruba.
So why would you post something so patently incorrect if you have the actual data at your disposal?
And, to answer the question you asked in post #61, I don’t think Joran murdered Natalee. I don’t think anyone murdered Natalee. I think that the working theory of ALE and the FBI is probably correct; that Natalee died an accidental death and then Joran arranged for her body disposal.
I still think that Joran knows what happened and still hasn’t told the whole truth (and I don’t rule out the possibility that I am wrong about the accidental death part).
listen buster & susan. Who in God’s name is getting in a car, with guys, after HEAVY DRINKING (because if she was sober, she would have known better)on a island she don’t know??? would you do that????? and all the chaperones were DRUNK!!, she was not alone but all of her friends were DRUNK. don’t they teach in America not to do that?? And yes I come from a small island, poverty and all the things you sad…doI care?? NOO!!! WHY DON’T YOU SEE WHAT IT HAPPENING ON YOUR BIG, RICH, ALL PUT TOGETHER LAND!!! Kids killing step moms?? teachers relations with teen students,RAPPERS HITTING THEIR GIRLFRIENDS husbands killing wifes?? haa and I thought ARUBA is the worst island of the world! And ofcourse i know there is curruption and i really don’t know the people you are mentioning and I can understand your anger because if it was my daughter i would feel like that too. Point is open your eyes and look the hell around the world and not even the world, look at your own home, the land of braves and try to fx that first babe ok? cause badness outta style fo us yah digg??? ahhaha Sorry my writing may not be that good but guess what WE SPEAK, READ, WRITE AND UNDERSTAND 6 diffrent languages ya digg??
tata pathetic! BIBA ARUBA DUSHI TERA, DURU MANE HEROOO STRET DEN BO CUEROOOOO!!!!
listen buster & susan. Who in God’s name is getting in a car, with guys, after HEAVY DRINKING (because if she was sober, she would have known better)on a island she don’t know??? would you do that????? and all the chaperones were DRUNK!!, she was not alone but all of her friends were DRUNK. don’t they teach in America not to do that?? And yes I come from a small island, poverty and all the things you sad…doI care?? NOO!!! WHY DON’T YOU SEE WHAT IT HAPPENING ON YOUR BIG, RICH, ALL PUT TOGETHER LAND!!! Kids killing step moms?? teachers relations with teen students,RAPPERS HITTING THEIR GIRLFRIENDS husbands killing wifes?? haa and I thought ARUBA is the worst island of the world! And ofcourse i know there is curruption and i really don’t know the people you are mentioning and I can understand your anger because if it was my daughter i would feel like that too. Point is open your eyes and look the hell around the world and not even the world, look at your own home, the land of braves and try to fx that first babe ok? cause badness outta style fo us yah digg??? ahhaha Sorry my writing may not be that good but guess what WE SPEAK, READ, WRITE AND UNDERSTAND 6 diffrent languages ya digg??
tata pathetic! BIBA ARUBA DUSHI TERA, DURU MANE HEROOO STRET DEN BO CUEROOOOO!!!!
Like that don’t happen in Aruba lol.. this comment is another great reason to boycott Aruba.. all the chaperones weren’t drunk.. and do you know why Natalee got in the car? perhaps she was drugged inside the bar.. Remember the rum151 that Joran served her. She very well could’ve thought she was getting in a taxi and the front people were drivers..after all.. Joran told them he was an exchange student on holiday in Aruba, 19 years old.. soccer player from Holland.. One thing is for sure, Natalee did not cause what happened that night. Had those 3 stayed home that night, I can promise you Natalee would be in Alabama going to college. Doesn’t Carlos n Charlies entice young people to come drink, drink drink? And you never addressed the fact that Paulus took his underage son out that night, to a casino drinking and gambling and claims he left him to drink and gamble and Joran was in Carlos n CHarlies on a VIP pass underage.. That’s what angers so many..stop blaming the victims. Like none of that stuff you mentioned happens in Aruba.. always showing blood pictures.
Who goes and dumps a person that they don’t even know if they are dead or alive, never did cpr, never called for medical help(they had phones) unless there is something to incriminate them? Noone.Why is Paulus saying hours after Natalee’s missing, if they have no body, they have no CRIME.
#57, if something were ever to happen to me or someone I loved, I could only pray that the appropriate law enforcement agency would dedicate a fraction of the energy, resources, effort and professionalism to my case that Aruban authorities dedicated to the Natalee Holloway case.
dotratc:
Personally, I dont’ think the body that was recovered had ANYTHING to do with a shipwreck… but, again, we have only the word of a nation that has a history of covering crimes committed against the innocent in an attempt to profit…
Please, take a good look at the Ministers of that island and ask yourself what is a Minister of Aruba doing owning a whore house? What is the Minister of Health doing being held on charges of possession of cocaine for which he had to pay $250,000 to get released? And, then, ask yourself why a Minister of Aruba would be carrying $250,000 in cash on his person…
You are blind, deaf and, totally, dumb!
P.S.
When all is said and done… I hope that you come to realize that you are part of the reason the common people on your island is in this condition. You make excuses for everything that ALE does and by doing so, you abandon your people. You hold up, in high regard, a bunch of liars and thieves that have come to make their own people suffer. No one has a gun to your head, and yet you come here to support a system that will soon be broken and will go down in history as being the reason the island has become the least visited place in the Caribbean.
There are people here that are ten times more intelligent than you and if you think for one minute anyone is buying into your lines, I can assure you; they see right through you. So, please, take your B.S. and peddle it somewhere else…
Chao!
#68, do you just make things up and post them? What are you talking about? What body? What shipwreck? What minister? What brothel? None of that stuff is even remotely based on fact.
Was it you that asked me to post sources? I challenge you to post a link to any credible news source to verify one single thing that you have said. I won’t be holding my breath.
You sound like Waterboy and his 12 major hurricanes.
But then, you are the one that thinks that Arawaks practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice.
Listen back, suki – Who in God’s name allows you to JUDGE Natalee Holloway?!? Did you know her personally?? I think not! Please don’t ATTACK Natalee’s morals and character!! Let’s show Natalee the respect she DESERVES!!
Like Maggie stated, how do you know that Natalee’s drink was not SPIKED with a date rape drug inside the FORMER Carlos and Charlie’s??? You don’t, so BACK OFF!!
Crimes are committed everyday all around the world…not just here in America. Wake up and get a brain…
dotratc,
Stick it where the sun never shines.
Jerry
dotratc,
Even though your are right, it’s just the way you said it. So I stand by my original proposal.
Stick it where the sun never shines again!
Jerry
Hey…. Ratskin!
If you can’t keep up, then bale out. The source for that information is put together from your own newspaper articles and the reports coming out of YOUR island, not mine…
So quit wasting my time, look it up yourself.
.
Waterboy:
There weren’t any hurricanes in Aruba, were there? Only a lonely ship that drifted off course and into the hands of some primitive, ruthless killers and cannibals. Funny the only one that lived was the one who knew how to operate the schooner.
Aruba is, still, a dangerous place to venture into.
.
Boycott!
Incredbible….4 years have passed and the discussion is just as fierce as on day 1. Not going to get into it. I just hope the recent search brings some kind of closure whether they do or don’t find anything.
…there was another case of tourists finding a bone on the north side of the island again couples days back. anybody hear bout that? i’ll go on a limb and say it’s 99% safe to assume it’s not human. last i heard it was being sent to forensics…
Yo Crioyo!
Are you back in Aruba for business or pleasure? I hope everything is going okay for you. Tensions are high because of all the bones that have been discovered in the past disappearing into oblivion. Aruba either calls it archeological testing or forensics…
It’s always good to hear something nice come out of the mouths of Arubans and you have always been so sweet. I just wanted to say, “Hi”
Be careful… and, please, no drinking and driving!
Nite…
#74, was that your way of admitting that you cannot post a single credible link to support even one of your outrageously false claims?
I think it was.
LMAO!!
How does this link work for you?
Official: Pond search in Aruba for Natalee Holloway nearly done
Posted by The Associated Press March 30, 2009 8:33 PM
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — A private investigator scouring a drained pond in Aruba for clues that could help solve the mystery of a missing U.S. teen is preparing to wrap up his latest search and report any findings, an official on the Dutch Caribbean island said today.
Ruben Croes, president of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has helped look for Natalee Holloway off and on since she vanished in May 2005, said U.S. investigator Fred Golba will end his probe of the garbage-strewn retention pond Tuesday and then depart the island.
A team of foundation volunteers, including Croes and his son, have helped the tracker dog specialist from Chicopee, Mass., probe the muddy bottom of the 250-square-meter retention pond since last week. Aruban police have been observing Golba’s search.
“We will all meet tomorrow and talk about what was found and what may be there of any interest to Fred,” Croes said this evening in a phone interview. “I believe there has just been a lot of trash found, but we will see. I haven’t been there since the weekend.”
Natalee Holloway of Mountain Brook was 18 when she was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital on the final night of a high school graduation trip. No trace of her has been found despite extensive searches involving hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets with special equipment.
Although the pond next to a popular soccer field in northwest Aruba has been searched before, the missing girl’s father, Dave Holloway, hired Golba again because a witness last year alleged he saw the only remaining suspect, Joran van der Sloot, coming out of its brackish water with only one sneaker on after Natalee’s disappearance.
Croes said Aruban volunteers have been helping Golba, who has searched for Holloway eight times before, with his latest search at the request of the Aruba Prosecutors’ Office. He said it was done out of “courtesy” for the aching Holloway family.
“I can understand, of course, that when you lose someone like this that you want to keep looking,” Croes said.
Dave Holloway could not immediately be reached at his home in Meridian, Miss.
In early January, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos said his office was “approaching the end of this lengthy investigation” and appealed to the public for help.
Link:
http://tinyurl.com/cpbnvo
Susan:
You need to go have your head examined… again!
But, by all means, keep talking…
It’s becoming more and more evident,
your hearts NOT in the right place!
Try PAX’s site!
Waterboy: The landfill is looking better and better as Natalee’s final burial spot.
An “Ocean” of Trash.
The witness spotted three males dropping a body in the land fill. The bag partially opened and exposed a body of a female with muddy covered blond hair.
First the pond then the landfill.
If you check the witnesses; all have mentioned a white pickup truck; including rene’s grey pickup truck.
You may be right afterall; but mountains of trash have since been deposited.
Dave may have been closer then he realized.
Hopeless, Patti, Fox Fire, Fire Fox or whatever you want to call yourself on any given day…
You are not in any position to assume anyone needs their head examined, other than yourself. You are one SICK PUPPY!
Let me make one thing PERFECTLY clear to you, you will not run me off of this site like you have so many others…so get OVER IT and yourself, TROLL!!
I have as much of a right to be here as you or anyone else, so get over yourself already! Feel honored I’ve wasted my time and energy on you.
Ratskin:
You really could have done this yourself.
But, since you insist…
Here we go!
ARUBA’s DIRTY MINISTERS
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http://tinyurl.com/djnwat
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Read it and weep!
Here’s another one:
http://tinyurl.com/d4pf4y
It goes on and on…
.
But…
I have to admit THIS is my favorite!
http://tinyurl.com/ctxwd8
Crossbow,
When Dave Holloway was looking for Natalee in the landfill, it really rattled the monkey’s cage, and by monkeys I mean Joran, Paulus, the 2K brothers, and law enforcement that had a hand in it or knew about it. Think how the trolls were devouring us all at that time.
They had a case out in Lubbock Texas where a lawyer’s son murdered a 17 year old. Years later, they dug her body out of the landfill. There is a lot more trash to dig through in Lubbock, Texas than in Aruba. They did it there, and they could do it in Aruba—if they wanted to. This boy was a real nut. Reminds me a lot of Joran.
The piles of trash are all dated. There are receipts, milk cartoons (with expiration dates). You dig until you get to the right date, and then you start digging to each side. She is probable within feet or inches of where Dave stopped.
Natalee may have been killed at the lighthouse at the rock site and taken to the pond. Joran carried her body off into the night, and the two Ks waited. When he returned all muddy, they would not let him in the car. He then walked home.
When Joran got home, he called his dad, they retrieved Natalee’s body (Rene helped), took her to the Sloot house and put her in the trunk of Anita’s car, where she was when Beth arrived. The next day, they took Natalee (wrapped in plastic) to the landfill and buried her under the piles of trash.
I couldn’t imagine why Junior said that the body was covered in mud. Now I understand. Junior’s story is making more and more sense. Hopefully, Junior didn’t see Joran and Paulus removing Natalee’s body form the landfill. That’s a possibility also.
Many of the things that did not add up, are adding up now. I don’t know if they will ever search the landfill again, but she has to there.
Jerry
America:
Stay away from that Rat infested island…
Or these things could become YOUR worst nightmare!
.
Boycott Aruba!
Boycott, Aruba!
No matter how you say it…
It sounds like an EXCELLENT idea!
US investigator will continue search for Holloway
Associated Press
March 31, 2009
ORANJESTAD, Aruba – An Aruban official says a private investigator will continue scouring a pond for signs of missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, even though he has not found any clues into her 2005 disappearance.
Ruben Croes, president of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, said investigator Fred Golba told him Tuesday that he “hasn’t found anything of interest” in the drained pond and plans to search for another week.
Aruban volunteers are aiding the investigator as he searches the pond that witnesses previously identified as a possible location for her remains.
Golba was hired by Holloway’s father to search the pond even though it has been scoured before.
Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Alabama, vanished here in May 2005.
http://tinyurl.com/cfs3bs
I already was afraid that there was nothing to be found in the pool.
May I remind you all that there are still people all over the world who wants to see what the real truth is after all we have heard and seen?
What matters to me is the idea that Natalee is somewhere in South America and alive.
But whó wants to care and sets in for real help?
Many disapears in Colombia and Venezuela.
Searching costs money.
I like to see that the money you give goes thàt direction f.i.
But stay hoping on an answer after four years, my friends and God be with you
I had a feeling also that nothing relating to Natalee would be found in Monserat Pond.
I have long been a proponent of either mine shaft disposal or cremation. In view of what the witness described, what the MBHS Students have supplied, VCB Security stating they did not have the contract for the Excelsior, but they did and also McDonalds and 2006 rumors that the McDonald location held gambling and after hour sex has turned me in a different direction.
So I am agreeing with Waterboy about the land fill.
The description of a body being disposed of, the reluctance of Aruba to permit a search, the suspects and Paulus reaction when Dave was in the land fill, the operators filling up Dave’s search area with fresh trash and then the fire.
From the pond to the landfill delivered in a white pickup truck. Rene’s p/u was grey but depending on lighting if it were light grey it could look white.
Maybe the reason the Kalpoes’s were washing thier car was because Joran was in it all muddy!
Windsurfer on April 2nd, 2009 6:54 am
I already was afraid that there was nothing to be found in the pool.
May I remind you all that there are still people all over the world who wants to see what the real truth is after all we have heard and seen?
What matters to me is the idea that Natalee is somewhere in South America and alive.
But whó wants to care and sets in for real help?
Many disapears in Colombia and Venezuela.
Searching costs money.
I like to see that the money you give goes thàt direction f.i.
But stay hoping on an answer after four years, my friends and God be with you
sorry don’t believe Natalee was alive after the night she was with those 3.. 1 million dollar reward nothing… no sightings..nothing.. and nothing to ever clear these 3 from being the last people seen with Natalee. almost 4 years later, that is still true..with many many strange circumstances surrounding all 3 including some of the cops, and the parents..including the AHATA who for some reason has access for police files, while Natalee’s own lawyers don’t.
I was having lunch with a friend of mine, who has an interesting occupation. He’s an undertaker. I ask him about cremation. He has a crematorium in his funeral home.
He said that cremation takes 4 to 6 hours, possible a little longer, depending on the size of the body. There is then a 4 hour cool down before you can open the door. If it is opened before that time, damage can result to the firebricks.
State laws are strict on cremation, I didn’t understand it all; but basically, there can be no suspicion of any foul play in the death. Once cremation takes place, that’s it as far as any suspensions about the death.
http://www.wastespectrum.com/incinerators.aspx this is interesting.
#91 Jennifer,
That’s a good thought.
Jerry
Didn’t I one time read the statement of a policeman who said “If anyone would know how to dispose of a body where it would never be found, it would be Paulus.”?
My question is this, “Why would Paulus know about disposing of a body?”
Why would Paulus be an expert on body disposal?
Does this make any sense to anyone?
Does anyone remember who made the statement?
Jerry
94 Waterboy; Jerry don’t recall who said it but:
Paulus pushed through the legal paper work for Yoland Wever owner of Menentomori Funeral home to have one installed on Aruba.
Interesting to note she denies its’ existence.
In checking with the manufacture’s web site; Williams list an installation on Aruba.
When contacting Williams, a sales rep denied that they do business on Aruba. BTW Williams also makes coffins: regular and those for cremation.
In checking the Aruba Yellow pages one of the services listed is cremation. Funerals, burials and cremations.
So what is wrong with this picture.
Either everyone is lying, that is the easiest premise to follow or logically they cannot all be telling the truth.
BTW I believe it was someone right after Paulus was arrested who made that statement.
So I lied and that’s the truth???
Crossbow,
The crematorium that my friend the undertaker has burns the smoke too. I know this doesn’t make any sense, but the result is, you can’t tell it is being used (kind of like smokeless powder). That’s why Napoleon hated the air rifle, because it left no visible smoke. http://air_guns.tripod.com/air_gun_history.htm
With out a doubt, cremation would be the means that would leave the least evidence, but what would involve the least potential of witnesses, without having to murder someone?
I’ve always been curious about the Wever lady that died shortly after Natalee disappeared. I’ve wondered if she is connected with the funeral home in any manner, and if she knew Paulus or Joran or Rene.
Jerry
Crossbow,
To answer your question about what’s wrong with this picture.
Since lies don’t seem to be questioned in Aruba, then a lie is better than the truth. You make up your own truth, and that seems to satisfy the law enforcement in Aruba. They seem to have no capacity to tell a truth from a lie (or they don’t want to.)
They seem perfectly willing to take the word of a known liar as the truth.
However, if you present an oblivious contradiction to a scrutinizing public, they clearly see the lack of truth.
Jerry
Wonder what it’s like for the Kalpoes and the Dutch Van der Sloots during their holidays, celebrations and get togethers. I bet they’ll never get many new friends, other than the dregs they now have. I bet even their relatives are not too fussy on them.
I wonder what the Hindu reglion says about raping, beating, murder. I guess they’ll come back as shit flies. How does Mrs. Kalpoe feel about her sons sins. Do they drive by where they were with Natalee? If you have a conscience that would haunt you.
Joran please keep drinking and drugging. Do lots. And keep yourself in the news.
It’s Easter Morning—Oh what a blessing. To know our Savior Jesus Christ. To know that all our sins have been forgiven, if we have truly trusted in Him.
May I live this day as a sinless day. May my thoughts and actions be pure. May I not commit a sin that I would have committed, and therefore lessen the pain and suffering of Jesus when he died for all our sins, past, present, and future.
Today is the day that Jesus defeated death, just as we who believe In Him will some day defeat death through Jesus.
If anyone does not understand what I’m saying, I will be glad to explain it fully. However, if you only want to poke fun and ridicule, please just give me a pass for just this one day.
Jerry
so,after watching fox news.I find that the f.b.i has the power to charge anyone in the world with a crime,if that person has commited a crime againt any u.s citezen anywhere in the world.Lucky for joran vandersloot and mr deepak that they do not live on this planet,otherwise the f.b.i would surely have charged them with something in this case.
Right now they are probably shredding info like they have been doing all along.. so if they close the case all John Q Kelly will get is that all these boys attended church 5 times a week and were choir boys. Natalee wasn’t real, it was just made up.. 2 black guards framed themselves for murder and kidnapping and are doing time for lying. There is no jacobs, dompig, straten, croes, mos or Janssen.. Funny Paulus is caught taking his underage son out drinking and gambling, caught lying on tapes and police statements, Kalpoes and Sloots are caught lying repeatedly and framing people for crimes.and Paulus gets promoted to lawyer..Kalpoes keep on working trying to sue for millions, and Joran gets to go to college and travel the world partying.
FBI wasn’t even allowed in this case, they were bystanders. so that should answer your question.
i would like to get in touch with gino wauben/..he is an old friend of mine …please have him contact me at my email address, my name is rosemary maseri and i am from miami.
thank you
this is why when we send our children out to have a good time we must send them in a group and in a buddy system so this way they can keep an eye on each other, expecially the way things are now ..god bless her and her gamily