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Will there be ramifications to Joran Van der Sloot’s admission that he sold Natalee 
Holloway for $10,000 and in the process admitted to kidnapping and human trafficking? Did Joran implicate his father in a crime, let alone the many other names he mentioned during the interview that he claimed had knowledge or participated in the crime and cover up?
In the wake of Joran Van der Sloot’s interview with Greta Van Susteren and “On the Record” will Aruban prosecutors look to arrest Joran and his father Paulus Van der Sloot for kidnapping and human trafficking? Joran Van der Sloot following the interview claimed that he was just lying and it never happened. However, should Aruban prosecutors arrest Joran and his father and look into the admission that the one time suspect made? It is not as though the “human trafficking” theory was not made a while back with regards to Natalee’s disappearance. Just recently, Joran Van der Sloot was also caught on video tape in Thailand discussing sex trade and human trafficking in a Thai hotel room. Alas, that was a lie too? All of his stories cannot be lies …
Will the Aruban prosecutor do his job and either prove or disprove Joran Van der Sloot’s latest admission to what occurred in the case of missing Natalee Holloway? How many times is Joran Van der Sloot allowed to confess to a crime, only to then say he was lying? Hans Mos has a responsibility to follow up on these admissions as well as other new evidence that has come forward.
As his own US attorney Joe Tacopina stated, “he’s a sick kid”. If as Tacopina said that Joran is incapable of telling the truth then why does he or any of the other attorney representing Joran Van der Sloot think that the “sick kid” was telling them the truth? Why wouldn’t the converse also he true when Joran states that he had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance? If Joran is a liar as Tacopina states, then one must also believe that he lied to his attorneys in saying that he was innocent of any crime with regarding to the disappearance of Natalee.
In a letter from Natalee Holloway’s family attorney to the Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos, John Q. Kelly stated the following:
“A newly released videotape of Joran van der Sloot making statements against penal interests (admitting to kidnapping, human trafficking, conspiracy and other crimes) to Greta Van Susteren is readily available … and independently corroborated by the undisputed fact that he was the last person with Natalee when she vanished from the beach by the fisherman’s huts. That, coupled with the fact that he initially fabricated demonstrably false accounts as to what happened to Natalee … and was accused by the Kalpoes of engaging in criminal conduct in Natalee’s disappearance … in a June 29, 2005, surreptitiously recorded audiotape, all provide a more than sufficient legal basis for the immediate issuance of an arrest warrant for Joran van der Sloot.” Kelly says there is enough evidence to arrest Paulus van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
Transcript from “On the Record ,” December 1, 2008.
VAN SUSTEREN: … Then that’s whole — then there’s problems for Paulus.
HAMMER: Then…
VAN SUSTEREN: If, if.
HAMMER: Then this — if that’s true and it’s authenticated, Greta, this is the craziest case we’ve ever talked about. I mean, and the thing that still troubles me is, give me another scenario by which his father would have uttered the words “human trafficking.” I mean, it is such a distinctive thing to come out of his father’s mouth. But the last thing, Greta, rather than do an arrest right now, they ought to do the spade work, the hard work of corroboration. If those wire transfers could be proven, Greta, together with his story, then we’ve got a real, real dynamite piece of evidence here.
VAN SUSTEREN: And of course, but the thing is that you’ve got to have a willingness to either prove or disprove. And if you’re not even going to bother to do either, you’re never going to find out.
GRIMM: Yes, I know what your point is, which is, you know, let the cards fall where they may. He gets found guilty, not guilty, but at least do the legwork. And I think what Jim’s saying — you know, people think — and a lot of our people think cases are made by the CSI stuff. It’s not. It’s out knocking on doors, doing the legwork, serving subpoenas, getting cell phone records, Western Union records, all this stuff…
Posted December 2, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Corruption, Crime, John Q. Kelly, Joran Van der Sloot, Legal - Court Room - Trial, Main, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF | 52 comments |
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In these days of uncertainty in the economy there is one thing you can take to the bank: Aruba will do nothing to Joran or Paulus.
Aruba will do nothing to look into this. They are all in cahoots. This is just Pure Evil , They are literally getting away with murder
The only justice is when they are all burning in hell for their evil they have committed.
Amen Ed and Katablog!
It doesn’t matter what they have, Aruba will never punish Joran or Paulus…or any of the others involved. They have proven that since day one. They are all going to burn in hell some day though. They day can’t come soon enough.
What John Q. Kelly said recently is what I’ve been saying for years: the one scenario that would destroy Aruba forever and ever, amen, is that of official complicity in human trafficking.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of boats, just so that we have some sort of idea of the geography, for people who need to be reminded, how far, for instance, is Aruba from Venezuela?
MANSUR: Fifteen nautical miles is the nearest point within Aruba and Venezuela.
VAN SUSTEREN: And do you know — and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?
MANSUR: No, it hasn’t been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba — told them to put it off.
This story came out of San Francisco a few hours ago … seems that a kid says he was held for more than a year by a couple who somehow got him as a foster child. When police got to him, he was in chains and was clad only in his briefs.
Of course, we know this sort of thing is a myth and doesn’t happen. Not to Americans. Not in places like the Caribbean, anyway ….
SAN FRANCISCO – Police are questioning a couple after a bruised and half-naked 17-year-old boy showed up at a gym with a chain locked to his ankle, claiming he had just fled his captors, authorities said.
Matt Robinson, a spokesman for Tracy police, said authorities believe the teen was held against his will in Tracy — a city about 60 miles east of San Francisco — after he ran away from a Sacramento foster home in 2007.
Robinson said authorities are questioning a couple in their 30s, but that they have not been arrested or charged.
He said the emaciated boy was confused when first approached by detectives Monday, unsure where he had come from and how long had been held against his will. He has been taken to a hospital.
“The wounds he had and his physical condition as well as having a chain around his leg corroborated his basic statement that he was being held against his will,” Robinson said.
Chuck Ellis, a manager of the In-Shape Sports Club, said the boy came into the fitness center Monday afternoon wearing only boxer briefs, covered with what appeared to be soot. Ellis says the teen was scared someone was going to come after him and asked to be hidden.
“He said, `Don’t let them get me, don’t let them get me,’” Ellis said. “He was totally terrified.”
Ellis said the teenager told him he was picked up after running away from the foster home to look for his family AND THAT HE WAS HELD FOR ALMOST A YEAR. Ellis said he looked like he was between 10 and 12 years old.
Robinson said the couple being questioned lives close to the fitness center. He said police are still investigating how the boy may have ended up in the couple’s custody.
Robinson said detectives plan to interview the boy more Tuesday when he is a “little healthier.”
The trafficking is definitely an option, Richard, but I think that Natalee is dead as the case became high profile and no one could be caught with the goods. Better to have her completely disappear.
I agree that trafficking of humans happen. After all, wasn’t that Joran’s latest scheme to make money? But, I don’t think that’s what happened to Natalee – though it might have been the plan.
The reason why is that it doesn’t fit with Joran’s original confession or his detailed confessions to Patrick. It’s also just not like Natalee to climb aboard a boat without a fuss. It doesn’t explain Joran’s missing shoes and the lie about the size. Nor the strange videos we saw of painting rocks, police and Paulus out in the sand, the story Dave related. Joran’s confession to Patrick basically fit the details that we do know.
Greta is bringing out the corruption and lack of a real investigation on Aruba’s part.
Greta has stated that she does not know if Joran’s human trafficking story is true or not. Her point is that Hans Mos isn’t even attempting to find out.
Greta is exposing Aruba’s corruption and cover up.
If this were a trafficking case, why would the Kalpoe brothers be washing out the interior of their Honda at 3am? It was no secret that Natalee got in their car in the first place. So what needed such a thorough cleaning?
The answer for me, is that Natalee died in that Honda.
yes greta does seem to be doing a great job of showing the corruption that has been taking part in this case
I do not believe Natalee was trafficked. I don’t think that Joran or his buddies planned to traffick Natalee either. The “we have done this 20 times or more and nothing bad has ever happened” comment does not support trafficking. If there had been 20 or more women and or children trafficked from Aruba, I think we would have heard about it…but I could be wrong. I think what they have done 20 times before was the drugging and raping of young female tourists. They drug them, gang rape them and then dump them somewhere. The “something bad happened” was Natalee dying. That had not happened before. Unlike the 20 others, Natalee woke up during the brutal rape and that is when the heavy battery took over. Remember the charge against Guido? I also think it all took place at the Vandersloot compound. Joran called for his his dad because neither him nor the pimps knew what to do with the severely injured Natalee. Paulus took over. I think he finished Natalee off…if she was not already gone. He knows where Natalee is. He knows what happened to her. The Aruban authorities…if that is what you want to call them…also know of Paulus’ involvement. That is why they have done everything possible to distance Paulus away from the case.
It is clear that Aruba has no intention of solving this case and or punshing the guilty parties.
Oh and Joran talking about trafficking is just some sick new game he has come up with. He does not have what it takes to traffick women. He is stupid, careless and has a big mouth.
One of the things so frustrating in this case is that I think a lot of what we’ve heard about seems not to be fact… Who knows for sure the K bros were washing their car. Who knows if the “statements” were the real statements. Now in just the last week I read on some site that there may not have been a fish cage even stolen…that there never was a police report filed about a FH break in….and on it goes….ready to pull my hair out… OK my thoughts.. when J was smoking weed I think the truth may have come out. weed will do that…..
We all remember the report of the guy who said that he saw a disheveled, muddy Joran walking in front of his house ‘the morning after,’ with only one shoe on. He passed a lie-detector test in the U.S., and has no known reason to lie. We therefore have to assume that what he said he saw, he did in fact see.
But I’d like to reconsider some assumptions that may have crept in.
First, I believe, he inferred that Joran fell into, or was wading in, a nearby pond. But he didn’t see that; it’s an inference! My point being, Joran could have gotten soaked elsewhere … such as pushing a boat off the Aruban shore. And after that, if he lay in or fell onto the beach sand, that could account for the mud. (I can’t think that this guy was so observant at that time, in that light, that he could easily distinguish beach sand from mud.)
Next, the question comes up why Joran would walk from the beach wearing only one shoe.
For that matter, why would anyone walk anywhere with only one shoe?
There’s one possible explanation: if he had cut or injured that foot. You can wash off a wound with seawater, but nobody would want to walk through sand, mud, or on a road with a bleeding foot. We know that there were reports that he was seen at school with facial bruises; I don’t think, though, that anyone ever checked his feet.
How could he have injured his foot? Lots of answers: on a piece of debris, broken glass bottle, on the land or in the water near the beach. Stepping on a knife that wasn’t where it had been put. Or, of course, on the anchor or chain keeping a boat in place.
It’s clear that of the three who drove off with Natalee, Joran was physically the strongest. If, and it’s an if, Natalee was put on a boat, whether drunk and incapacitated (as Joran now says), whether led on and then held down, or whether carried on bound and gagged, and/or drugged, he would be the one to do it.
There would be no reason he couldn’t have had both shoes off … I was brought up in a Connecticut seaside town, and have seen lots of people who prefer to have bare feet while they’re doing something with boats … and possibly one got lost in the water. Or, perhaps, he only wanted the one to cover a wound.
This is all speculation … but it’s meant just as a suggestion.
Could be, Libby (#12) … of course, if trafficking did take place, or if it were planned, there’s no reason to think that Joran would have told about it.
If we rule out things on the basis of what Joran said, then the case was solved on the first day.
We had a report from ALL THREE of those who took off with Natalee that they brought her back to her hotel and left her there. So does that prove that it happened? No? Of course not.
If Joran is indeed psychopathic, then he can come up with lies on the spur of the moment. I’m not saying that trafficking is plausible BECAUSE he’s talking about it … I’m saying, and now John Q Kelly seems to be saying the same thing, that it’s the most plausible explanation for Aruba’s continued refusal even to investigate.
It’s the one thing that would destroy Aruba forever.
Nurturer (#10) … Again, it’s only a hypothesis. The substance in the back seat COULD have been vomit, which nobody wants to leave in their car … or it could have been chloroform, or something with Natalee’s DNA. All sorts of possible explanations … but I think that if they cleaned out the car at that hour, it wasn’t because they were Boy Scouts in training.
These were the 2 most interesting to me on Greta’s show last night..
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Does the headmaster of Joran van der Sloot’s former school know more about Natalee’s disappearance than he lets on? Earlier, we spoke to two friends of the Holloway family who did their own investigating on the island of Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch and Charlie, thank you both for joining us.
MITCHELL ENNIS, MET WITH JORAN’S HEADMASTER: You’re very welcome.
CHARLES DEBARDELEBEN, MET WITH JORAN’S HEADMASTER: You’re very welcome.
VAN SUSTEREN: Let me start first with you, Mitch. When do you about, do you remember arriving in Aruba 2005?
ENNIS: Yes–Wednesday morning, about 11:00 o’clock.
VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.
DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you go to that school?
DEBARDELEBEN: We were looking for Joran. We wanted to talk to him and try to find out where he went, what school he attended, and just help in any way we possibly could to find Natalee.
Watch Greta’s interview
VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, when you got to the school, did you talk to anybody?
ENNIS: Yes. We were told there was a school he went to. And we went to that school, and they said “No, he’s not here.” We had carried some of the posters we had that said “Missing” with Natalee’s photograph on it to pass out to try to aid in the search for her.
And the chief of the school, he was the headmaster there, said he doesn’t go to school here, and if you would, please don’t put any more of these around my school. We said certainly, we won’t do that.
On leaving we went across the street and got into a car. He came across the street, he actually jaywalked, and he said, “I wouldn’t want my name used, to say that I told you this, but he goes to the International School, and he is there now, and I under he is sleeping over there, and possibly in a sleeping bag.”
So we went to the International School straight from there. The headmaster at one of the other schools.
VAN SUSTEREN: Charlie, you then went to the International School. What happened when you got there?
DEBARDELEBEN: When we got there, we met the headmaster of the International School, myself and a couple other friends that were with us, and Mitch and another friend who stayed out in the lobby. And we spoke with the head master asking if he know the whereabouts of Joran or anything about Natalee’s disappearance.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you, Charlie?
DEBARDELEBEN: He told us some quite interesting facts, as a matter of fact, that Paulus and Joran had been there a day or two before, that Paulus was trying to explain with his son what had happened, and that he was trying to explain that his son had taken Natalee out to the light house, that she wanted to see sharks, that at some point she had fallen.
And he was just volunteering information, but also saying what a good boy Joran was and how the father was about to be a judge, and he was a very upstanding citizen of Aruba. And it was really apparent to us that he was doing the best he could to cover for him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, what was your impression of the headmaster. Did you get the sense that he was straight talking, or were you suspicious of him?
ENNIS: I was very suspicious because the first thing he said was she may have drowned, and the way these currents are they would carry her out to sea and we would never find the body.
He mentioned that the night she went missing, probably they could not tell that she came back to the hotel because the cameras were not working. How would he know these things unless he was coached into it?
And I was suspicious of what he had to say, because from day one this thing appeared to be a cover up. The police, it seems their main objective was to protect Joran, and the heck with finding Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you say that, Mitch?
ENNIS: Van der Straaten told us, he said “I don’t think I could arrest my best friend’s son. I am his godfather, and I honestly don’t think that he’s guilty. He is a witness.”
And I said this is strange. That is the last person who saw her. And he said, “We are working on another angle on that.” And that angle was the two black men that were security guards, they were going to try to blame it on them.
I felt like from day one we could tell that they did not want us there. They were very uncomfortable with us being around them because they were trying to cover it up.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anybody else in the investigation that you met that you have a thought about whether the person was doing his job or her job or not, or that you’re suspicious of?
ENNIS: One of the things that was really strange about it, Greta, to me was we had a meeting with them, and we had 25 questions to ask them. They would not answer a single one of them.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who are they, the police? Do you the police?
ENNIS: This is really the odd thing. The police are supposed to be investigating Natalee’s disappearance. But they told us in the meeting that the investigation, the people in charge of it, was the Aruban tourism department, which I thought was a little bit strange.
It appeared to me that they were not trying to investigate anything. It was damage control. They were worried about tourism, not finding Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, this is the first time I am hearing that the tourism was involved, and that’s particularly interesting to me. Did they say anything else about the tourism division at any time to either one of you?
ENNIS: All that they would tell us was that every question we ask, we cannot answer that question. If they had any sort of evidence, it disappeared. And you could ask what happened, they wouldn’t tell you.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460125,00.html
Remember Renfro making this statement?
June 9, 2005
Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. “The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men.”
and around June 5th Straten told the Dutch reporter, he believed Natalee is dead, he seen the evidence… Where did that evidence and the good solid evidence against the 2 black security guards for murder and kidnapping go?
Remember when Dave said Straten was going in Jacob’s office after he was taken off this case and wasn’t suppose to be there at all?
Remember when Helen Lejeuz said Straten was involved in a cover up on the island before?
One thing is for sure everything Beth, Jug, Dave have told us.has came full circle.was spot on.. and Renfro and her cult has been proven to be nothing but lying garbage..time after time.
my belief on the trafficking scenario would hinge on the validity of the tape between joran & paulus.
if one accepts this theory they must also accept that nat may very well be alive. that’s a lot of money to pay for a person that you don’t plan on keeping. jmo.
either way joran is a snake. a person who has nothing to hide doesn’t continue to manufacture elaborate lies.
give credit where credit is due……greta/fox have been chipping away, little by little,airing any news they think might be a lead. keep the story alive. let the world know what a hellhole aruba is , the corruption and lies from aruban officials and what POS the van der scums are.
no, it won’t bring natalee back but if her story can shed light on the corruption in aruba and the human trafficking issue around the world, then she did not suffer in vain. god bless you natalee. RIP
This is one of the most telling statements by Deepak.. He thought his conversations would be monitored before May 31st(May 30th) Who knew Natalee was missing then?. Joran said the same thing on May 31st..The purpose of the chat traffic on Sunday and Monday was to show he was home..Yet noone knew Natalee was missing yet…He wanted to frustrate and mess up an investigation before there was one.
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the “Holiday Inn” story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*. The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday.
LOL. Some are acting like this is news to the world. Maybe to a few people who have stuck their heads in the sand, but to most of the world, this is merely Greta finally saying out loud what everyone with common sense has known since about 3 months into this case.
hey taco! wipe the egg off your face!
oh urine and his parents are such good people, he is innocent!
sure he is, so was peterson and manson!@@
i find taco a disgrace to represent urine. set urine free to kill again and again. nice going tacless!
Good work by Greta keeping this fore front.
Joe T, had a rude awakenin, his pro bono, yeah my hiney, he’s all po’d at Joran and Papa, they couldn’t show Joe the money. LOL, I wonder how much Joran got in Joe’s pocket.
Q. “Admitting to Kidnapping & Human Trafficking Will Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot Be Arrested After Joran’s Interview With Greta Van Susteren”
A. No
It will never be solved. This as the Dutch JUstice system is corrupted to the core, and Paulus will be protected as he is in the same group of what you can read below. The State Secretary is a pedophile and no one in the government dares to do something about it. Unless this person and the entire justice department and the government gets sweepcleaned, no justice will ever be done to Natalee as Paulus and Joran are protected by these pedophiles. If the resume to protect Paulus and Joran, it will backfire upon them as Paulus knows too much as well about our dirty and corrupted justice department.
Call to the international media: expose this!
Micha Kat 14 juli 2008
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The Netherlands faces the most criminal of paedophilic gangs and a total breakdown of law and order. Elite of Dutch politicians and Dutch law-enforcement involved. Government blackmailed for years and years. Biggest media-cover up in the history of Dutch press.
Outline of Dutch Demmink-case for the international media.
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The Netherlands faces the most criminal of paedophilic gangs and a total breakdown of law and order. Elite of Dutch politicians and Dutch law-enforcement involved. Government blackmailed for years and years. Biggest media-cover up in the history of Dutch press.
Outline of Dutch Demmink-case for the international media.
Facts about the Dutch Dutroux-case and the blackmailing of government
1. In the summer of 1996 Marc Dutroux was arrested in Belgium. In the ensuing process, which resulted in his conviction in 2004, many indications and documents pointed at the involvement of Dutch politicians and other important people in the abuse of children for sexual purposes. These leads however were never followed.
1. In 1998 the Dutch prosecutors in Amsterdam were working on the so called ‘Rolodex case’ in which a bunch of very high-ranking people were suspected of being member of a gang of abusers of children. Among those people were a former minister of the cabinet, the personal counsel of queen Beatrix and two leading criminal prosecutors. The police was already preparing to make arrests and search houses, when the whole operation was killed. It later emerged in the so called ‘Runderkamp-papers’ (named after a leading journalist from the NOS, the Dutch main news-medium, who worked on the case) that a very high official in the Ministry of Justice in the Hague, mr. Joris Demmink, played a strange role in the affair: he was suspected of being a member of the gang but also leaked information from the prosecution to the suspects. Police officers and also mr. Runderkamp thought that this role of Demmink was behind the decision to cancel the ‘Rolodex-operation’ as suspects were warned and had the chance to destroy evidence.
1. In april 1998 Dutch television-documentary Netwerk broadcasted two items about a bunch of criminals smuggling young children to the Netherlands from Eastern Europe for sexual purposes. Netwerk laid hands on telephone-taps from the Rolodex-case; in these taps we hear a very high ranking official from the Ministry of Justice named ‘Joris’ ‘ordering’ some children for the weekend. The official identity of this ‘Joris’ has never been officially clarified, although now it is a ‘public secret’ that it is Joris Demmink.
1. In November 2002 mr. Joris Demmink is appointed as the highest official on legal matters in the Netherlands. As his appointment lay on the table, there were 40 warnings and indications of his criminal sexual behavior. They were all laid aside.
1. In October 2003 two Dutch magazines published long and detailed stories about mr. Joris Demmink abusing under-aged prostitutes in a public park in the south of the country. It was published that he used his state-paid limousine to abuse young children on the back bench. The cabinet reacted vehemently by saying it were all lies. One week later however, one of the abused children in the park indicts mr. Demmink for criminal offense. Two days later it is made known by the cabinet that the indiction was ‘false’. Demmink in the meantime confesses to two journalists that he has had sex with under-aged children . This is later reported by the NOS evening journal on television. But than the lawyers for Demmink start fighting the allegation, resulting in a ‘sort of’ rectification by the NOS.
1. In april 2007 the whole affair gets an international dimension as a lawyer for an important Turkish-Kurdish businessman and politician again indicts mr. Demmink for sexual abuse of children. This lawyer has the most shocking of stories, all very well documented with tapes, video’s and Turkish police-reports. The basis of this new allegation is that the Turkish government has blackmailed the Dutch government by threatening to ask for the eviction of mr. Demmink to Turkey for sexual crimes committed in Turkey if the Dutch did not put the Kurdish businessman in jale for life. The Turkish government wanted to get rid of this businessman because he had evidence that the Turkish government at that time (under Tansu Ciller) was heavily involved in exporting of drugs and was spreading this evidence around the world. The Dutch government succumbs to the Turks, mainly because the Turks have photographs of Demmink abusing children in Turkey, and organize a complete ‘fake-process’ to get the Kurdish businessman convicted. In this process they used specially fabricated and manipulated telephone-taps. That these taps were fake has been proven by more than ten specialists from the Netherlands and the USA.
1. In 2008 there are many more indications that the whole legal system in the Netherlands is corrupted by blackmail as many big criminals can walk free for the most bizarre of reasons. Again the Rolodex-case comes to the forefront: the indications of blackmail focus around cases handled by prosecutors who were also member of the abusive gang. Another indication for blackmail are the 20 or so cases in which highly classified files were ‘lost’ or ‘stolen’ from high-ranking officials. These files mostly contained information about high-profile criminal investigations.
1. In the summer of 2008 the Dutch government denies any indication of criminal offense by mr. Demmink or by other high-ranking officials. Demmink is still in function in the Ministry of Justice. The lawyer for the Kurdish businessman now has appealed against a court-ruling not to prosecute mr. Demmink. The higher court is due to rule in September about this appeal. This is the last chance of mr. Demmink being brought to justice.
The last medium in the Netherlands researching this case has stopped working on it in 2007. At this moment, the media keep quiet or are protecting mr. Demmink by writing that he is a ‘victim of a slandering-operation by criminal gangs’ without elaborating any further. I have written many stories about this case on the internet and want it to come out in the international media as I have not the slightest doubt on the extreme seriousness of the situation in my country.
This is a ‘master-link’ summarizing the basic facts. Underneath this link are many more links solidifying the evidence.
http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/artikel/755/affaire-joris-demmink-het-feitenoverzicht.html
It is in Dutch however
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Didn’t the Dick’s, I mean Dutch do a investigation on aruba ??? Wasnt there a hole team of masterbaters, I mean investigators there on aruba for several weeks ??? What did they do ???
Yes indeed, but likely they were very limited in whatever they were allowed to do, and if they did come up with anything it probably is not allowed to bring up.
I think what Beth can do is prosecute Paulus for Perjury, as he lost his claim for damages as he has lied. But dobt expect anything happening from Dutch justice, and all for the reasons mentioned.
A lot of people have approached Peter R De Vries to launch an investigation as hi did before with Joost Tonino. Joost Tonino was an Officer of Justice, who dumped his PC at the side of the road containing childporn and incriminating emails . At First Tonino was protected as well, untill Peter made a solid case that Joost Tonino had actively been searching for childporn and the incriminating email evidence supporting that.
2 Questions : Why the witch hunt for Joran, whilst he always leaves his father Out of the Loop ?
He has tried to put blame on Deepak and Satish, whilst his son really is the main suspect.
Now that it has materialised that Paulus has lied about quite a number of things, Peter still goes after Joran and not his father. This does make you think that he has received a warning not ever to interfere with Justice Officials any more or he would regret it. And Joran is not a justice official, so will always be his focus in the hope that he snaps, confesses and drags his daddy along as well.
Other Questuion : Why does Peter ignore the Dutch people who have put there hopes upon him, that he will investigate Joris Demmink ?
Same answer. He has been warned ot leave the justice department alone, so he only goes after petty pedophiles and silly Jordan whilst the outcome is none.
He would be the one though, to make an end to this. In the Netherlands, we dont know who else would be able to.
Anyway, thats the answer, Jorans daddy is involved and protected by a bunch of high justice officials who are pedophiles.
I hope Greta wiil turn the phone call tape over to the FBI so they can determine if the other voice is Paulus. They have the equipment – like they use on the Bin Laden tapes to determine if it’s really him. I think I read that Peter DeVries thinks it is not Paulus but Joran’s voice . I think Joran is a suicide to be. I think he’s really losing it…….
This is just a ploy of Joran’s to create reasonable doubt should he ever be brought to trial. The idea is ‘you can’t believe anything he says, not even the confessions.’ I just hope the Arubes manage to convict him of something.
Interesting comment by van der Straaten that Maggie (#16) posted.
“I honestly don’t think that he’s guilty. He is a witness.”
Guilty of WHAT?
Witness to WHAT?
And you don’t THINK he’s guilty? You don’t know? If you don’t know, how can you make such a statement? If you do know, how do you know and why haven’t you done anything?
And if someone is a witness to a crime and fails to disclose what he knows, isn’t that a crime?
Lots of questions.
Anyway, we’re still going around on ‘here’s what I think,’ which of course is fine.
I don’t know that trafficking, whether intended, attempted, or accomplished, is what happened.
All that I do know is that Natalee went off in the company of three guys, who turned up a few hours later. Their first action was to advance a story that they all said was true … until they confessed that it wasn’t.
And in three and a half years, ever since she left Carlos ‘n’ Charlies, Natalee Holloway has not been seen (as far as anyone has confirmed) on Aruba. Not her, not her clothes, not anything.
And ever since day one, Aruba has tried to do anything and everything but solve the case.
Conclude from that what you will.
aww yes tracy where I live and worked until recently … a small city alot of farmland near the outskirts of the bay area… its bazaar that this would happen anywhere much less in a small town like this
Thankyou Greta…Paulus & Joran really are SCUM!!!
#27 What are you talking about?
First of all: Beth cannot prosecute; the public prosecutor does. Secondly, Paul van der Sloot has the (legal) right to refuse to give evidence because he is not obligated to incriminate his own son.
Furthermore, Mr. Tonino was not prosecuted by the court because the investigation showed that the child porn was downloaded trough adult porn websites without Tonino actively searching for it. Contrary to the “investigation” of Peter R. de Vries.
So this is all one conspiracy by the Dutch government? Give me a break. You are paranoid. And could you please acknowledge the difference between the Aruban and the Dutch government?
And how would she do that? In Aruba? Ha! They’d treat that the same way as they’ve treated the case against Joran.
There are several ways the truth can/will come out. When the Kowpoop brothers lose their Dr. Phil suit, they can write a book or offer Greta an interview.
Joran will never stop talking as long as he breaths. He probably has some real evidence which he will leave behind to take down daddy. I believe Joran is on course to become suicidal. He’s a piranha every where he goes.
Yep, I believe Joran will have another interview with Greta and will expose another piece of the puzzle that will walk him to his hanging.
He will want the quick cash and will want to throw daddy’o under the bus for deserting him…
Yes, Joran is on a pace of self distruction…
I also think Joran will start talking more about the Kalpoe’s to get some of the blame placed on them so that he is not the focus of this murder!
The Kalpoes will eventually have to talk!
Quote poster #33: “could you please acknowledge the difference between the Aruban and the Dutch government?”
Could YOU? For starters, please tell us why Aruba, after several months of telling Beth and Dave Holloway to keep quiet about what was going on in Aruba, and threatening to stop investigating if they alluded to the boycott, all of a sudden said:
We don’t run the investigation. Holland does.
The stench from Aruba includes all of the Netherlands Antilles and extends to the Netherlands.
First of all: Beth cannot prosecute; the public prosecutor does.
I believe Beth can do a civil case against Paulus, and I think somewhat in the past she was considering this and this with the help of Moscovicz. Never heard anything anymore, which is surprising as this comes on a silver plate handed to her : (The press article below)
Secondly, Paul van der Sloot has the (legal) right to refuse to give evidence because he is not obligated to incriminate his own son.
Indeed. But being silent is different from lying.
Now Paulus. He tried to sue for damages,all unsuccessfull because of his lies !!
read the last paragraph:
New information coming out of the Superior Court of Justice
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
Furthermore, Mr. Tonino was not prosecuted by the court because the investigation showed that the child porn was downloaded trough adult porn websites without Tonino actively searching for it. Contrary to the “investigation” of Peter R. de Vries.
No, this ”bijvangst” was succesfully proven wrong. Tonino was searching for childporn, his cache proved that and thats why he was transferred into another job. His emails supported that too.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joost_Tonino
Volgens onderzoek had Tonino het materiaal gewoon gedownload vanaf “normale” sekswebsites, zonder hiervoor veel moeite te doen[1].
Otherwise google it, Tonino said to his own defenc e that the childporn ended up by accident when he was browsing adult sites, but investigation proved this wrong and made him step down . He now is a lawyer.
This is not a conspiracy by the Dutch government, but the truth is hidden and Paulus is protected. To enlighten you about the current state of our justice machine, from another angle , read todays http://www.standejong.nl
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED
ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.
The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.
Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.
Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.
Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
According to me, Paulus does not have to incriminate his son and can choose to be silent. But lying is obstruction of justice, and that news article , if it is true, gives plenty reason to make him even a suspect. But that will not happen, seen the fact he is part of the club exactly today described by Stan de Jong.
No paranoid here, but yes a lot of frustration seen the fact how many victims this corrupted justice machine keeps on protecting Paulus and Pedophiles .Aruba may have its own government, but hey is there anything they can do without The Netherlands ? They are not allowed, they need the funds from the NL , especially with this Boycott Aruba ! They are the marionets of The Netherlands.
#33
I don’t know Dutch law, so I’m not sure about that, but I can assure you that even in the third world country of Aruba, it’s illegal to PAY people to keep their silence.
Here is America Judges and Lawyers also have the obligation to prevent their clients from telling a known lie under oath. Paulus, according to his son, encouraged his son to lie under oath.
And, since all our guesses have been right so far, I’ll “guess” that Paulus actually is the one that prevented Joran’s confession from becoming public and instead had it retracted.
Anyway you slice it, Aruba is COOKED. They better find something besides tourism to rely on.
WE STAND BY THE GIRL
*******Justice for Natalee Ann Holloway *********
Boycott Aruba as if your life depends on it!!!!!!
Something else I don’t understand … we were told, I think it was in August last year (please check the dates, and correct me if you can), that Aruba had handed over Natalee’s case to Holland, lock, stock and barrel.
Aruba was no longer involved. Period.
So we were told.
But NOW, Hans Mos, of Aruba, is saying that he wants to shut down the case ….
If Aruba is no longer involved, how can he do it?
Or aren’t the lines of authority clear? Or are Aruba and the Netherlands still squabbling?
Or was it just another of the lies that we have seen over the last three and a half years from Aruba, the Netherlands, and everyone else involved in this case of a missing American girl?
Hans Mos is as big a creep and liar as Joran.
BOYCOTT ARUBA LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT,IT DOES.
Today in the news :
The Dutch Police Commissaris helped Paul and Joran.
I will translate it later.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2714185/___Politie_hielp_Paul_van_der_Sloot___.html?p=10,1
ORANJESTAD – De Nederlander Jan van der Straten die in 2005 als politiecommissaris op Aruba op de Natalee Holloway-zaak werd gezet, heeft het onderzoek in de beginfase ernstig gehinderd. Dit om zijn vriend Paul van der Sloot te helpen bij het beschermen van zijn zoon Joran die ervan werd verdacht betrokken te zijn bij de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse.
Foto: ANP
Foto: Bob friedlander
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Dit heeft de Arubaanse minister van Justitie Rudy Croes donderdag bevestigd. De aantijging circuleerde al eerder op het eiland. De bewindsman is ermee naar buiten gekomen omdat Van der Straten deze week in de media kritiek uitte op het Arubaanse politiekorps.
Volgens Croes lijkt het erop dat de oud-politiecommissaris Joran en twee andere verdachten bewust pas na tien dagen oppakte, “terwijlde eerste dagen cruciaal zijn bij een verdwijningszaak”. In een gesprek hoorde de minister Van der Straten destijds zeggen: “Dit kan ik mijn vriend Paul niet aandoen.” Croes vindt het verdacht dat er toen veel telefoonverkeer was tussen Paul van der Sloot en onderzoeksleider Van der Straten. Van der Straten zou verder een “tweederangs politieteam” hebben ingezet, vlak na Natalees verdwijning. “Dat was het flexiteam; een team dat ingezet wordt tijdens carnaval”, licht Croes toe. Hij wil dat er een nieuw onderzoek komt naar de rol van Van der Straten en Van der Sloot: “Als twee Nederlandse vrienden hebben Paul en Jan elkaar geholpen.”
Ook op de Nederlandse regering uit de Arubaanse minister enige kritiek. “Tot op de dag van vandaag krijgen we internationaal geen morele steun van Nederland, terwijl de Arubaanse naam wordt bezoedeld. In 2005 werd ons gevraagd zo goed mogelijk te verzwijgen dat Joran een Nederlander is. Hij moest zoveel mogelijk voorkomen als Arubaan. Dat heeft een Nederlandse minister -ik zeg niet wie- persoonlijk verzocht.”
Shame on Justice in NL
a) I read the news daily, the things you mention were not in the news (except Tonino)
b) some Aruban guy blames Holland…well this is a first…usualy they complain and then ask for more money
c) He tells this after Van Straten complains about Aruba
typical Aruba….makes you wonder why here at Schiphol Airport everybody from the Antilles goes through a bodyscan……
sharon #35……i hope you are right.
Joran Van Der Sloot needs some sodium pentothal pumped into his ASS!
could this be the reason hans mos wants to shut the case down at the end of this year. finis.
[...] recently Joran Van der Sloot admitted to kidnapping and human trafficking of Natalee Holloway selling her for $10,000. Joran than said he [...]
[...] in the crime only to recant and state he was lying. In an interview he actually admitted to kidnapping and human trafficking of Natalee Holloway. Then, like clockwork he said he was [...]
Title Trafficking in Persons Report 2008 – Suriname
Publisher United States Department of State
Country Suriname
Publication Date 4 June 2008
Cite as United States Department of State, Trafficking in Persons Report 2008 – Suriname, 4 June 2008. Online. UNHCR Refworld, available at: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/484f9a3e32.html [accessed 20 January 2009]
Trafficking in Persons Report 2008 – Suriname
SURINAME (Tier 2)
Suriname is principally a destination and transit country for men, women, and children trafficked transnationally for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. It is also a source country for underage Surinamese girls, and increasingly boys, trafficked internally for sexual exploitation. Some of these children are trafficked into the sex trade surrounding gold mining camps in the country’s interior. Foreign girls and women from Guyana, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, and Colombia are trafficked into Suriname for commercial sexual exploitation; some transit Suriname en route to Europe. Chinese men are subjected to possible debt bondage in Suriname, and are subject to forced labor in supermarkets and the construction sector. Chinese women reportedly are exploited sexually in massage parlors and brothels. Haitian migrants, typically en route to French Guiana, sometimes are forced to work in Surinamese agriculture.
The Government of Suriname does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. The government sustained a moderate level of law enforcement action against trafficking crimes, and modestly improved victim assistance and prevention efforts. However, official complicity with suspected trafficking activity is an area for concern.
Recommendations for Suriname: Intensify efforts to identify, prosecute, and adequately punish trafficking offenders; commence criminal prosecutions of corrupt public officials who may facilitate trafficking activity; investigate reports of forced labor; dedicate more resources for victim assistance; and amend anti-trafficking laws to better protect foreign trafficking victims.
Prosecution
The Surinamese government sustained moderate anti-trafficking law enforcement efforts over the last year. Suriname prohibits all forms of human trafficking through its criminal code, prescribing punishment from five to 20 years’ imprisonment. These punishments are sufficiently stringent and commensurate with those prescribed for other grave crimes, such as rape. An interagency anti-trafficking in persons working group leads government efforts to investigate and prosecute traffickers. During the reporting period, the government convicted a defendant charged with trafficking Brazilian women into prostitution, and sentenced him to 2.5 years in prison. A trial against four brothel owners charged with trafficking women from the Dominican Republic for sexual exploitation continued. In February 2008, police arrested two brothel owners for trafficking Brazilian women into the country; these cases are pending. An anti-trafficking police unit randomly checked brothels for children as well as adults in forced or coerced conditions. Police cooperated with authorities in Guyana and the Dominican Republic on transnational trafficking cases, and sought improved cooperation with Colombia, the Netherlands Antilles, and French Guiana. There were reports that some Surinamese immigration and customs officials facilitated trafficking into the country by accepting bribes. No prosecutions of such trafficking complicity have been initiated, although investigations of these allegations continue.
Protection
The government made modest improvements to protect victims of trafficking during the year. Police and prosecutors relied chiefly on civil society partners, particularly a recently established NGO, the Trafficking-in-Persons Foundation, to shelter and assist victims. The government assisted these NGOs with finding safe houses to shelter victims, and worked closely with consular representatives from other countries on repatriation efforts. The government also extended services provided to domestic violence victims to trafficking victims, and widely distributed among key personnel an operations manual on how to identify and treat trafficking victims. Surinamese authorities encourage victims to assist in the investigation and prosecution of their traffickers. There were reports that some foreign victims were incarcerated and deported for immigration violations. Suriname does not provide legal alternatives to the removal of foreign victims to countries where they face hardship or retribution. The government’s anti-trafficking in persons working group is finalizing draft legislation to provide trafficking victims with temporary residency status. Suriname continued discussions with governments in neighboring Guyana, French Guiana, and Brazil on modalities for repatriating trafficking victims.
Prevention
The government improved prevention efforts during the reporting period. Senior officials continued to condemn and draw public attention to the problem of human trafficking in Suriname. The government’s anti-trafficking in persons working group worked with IOM to implement awareness-raising campaigns across the country, reaching approximately 40,000 people. Outreach activities also were directed to the nation’s border area with Guyana, where many trafficking victims enter the country. Military police, who man ports of entry in this area, were trained on identifying potential trafficking victims. The anti-trafficking in persons working group also issued widespread media warnings about potential trafficking activity after suspicious advertisements were placed in local newspapers recruiting young people to work abroad. However, no discernable government campaigns to reduce demand for commercial sex acts took place during the reporting period. Suriname has not ratified the 2000 UN TIP Protocol.
Suriname tier ranking by year
my last post is from deepak kalpoe’s place of birth.as you can see there is quite a bit of human trafikking going on there.mr kalpoe must have quite a few contact to this country possibly evan family members involved.i suspect natalee might be in this area possibly around those gold mining camps.I emplore the powers that be to check this out
The lawyer joe topica,who represents paulis vanersloot and his son joran,was suprised by the taped conversation,he had no idea it existed until he was already on the show on fox .to minimize the evidence and because he had to try to discredit the taped phone conversation,he called his client paulis vandersloot a simpleton and then called joran vandersloot a socio-path,this clearly shows his anger at the two,proving that not only is the tape real,but also that this was what happened and that he knew about it.he was just mad that there was a tape made