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    65 Responses to “Scared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Wednesday, November 12, 2008 – Joran Van der Sloot Recruiting Girls To Work In Thailand Sex Trade?”

    1. james b. on November 12th, 2008 6:47 am

      SM: I think Joran should have hired your daughter, sister or cousin as a dancer. Might be quite a different story ey setar?

      I think we know exactly what is going on here.

    2. Richard on November 12th, 2008 8:27 am

      Obviously he thinks he’s invulnerable.

      Guess that’s what happens when you’re raised on Aruba by someone with political connections.

      But hey, they have a “system.” Works for them.

      And some people question why we urge a boycott?

    3. gturner on November 12th, 2008 8:56 am

      james b, Is it against the law to hire a HIT MAN ?

    4. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 9:05 am


      You are so right. In the USA the political and police system is flawless…

      US Politicians, Scholars Helping Turkey Cover Up WWI Genocide

      Patrick Dorismond , an unarmed Black man was gunned down by the NYPD . At his funeral, a crowd of 20,000 battled the police and tore down barriers to get to his coffin. At the same time, the NYPD attacked Errol Maitland , a reporter for WBAI , while he was phoning in his story live to the station. This is a chronicle of a moment in history.

      Prof. Francis Boyle , University of Illinois Law School, drafted articles of impeachment against Bush , Cheney et al. in January, 2003. Since then, Boyle notes, “it’s gotten much worse.” Boyle exposes the role of the Federalist Society in the Bush administration and their part in creating a police state through Patriot Act I and Patriot Act II. He discusses the International Criminal Court (ICC) case being prepared against Blair and others in the British government for aggressive war on Iraq.

      Programmer Clint Curtis claims that four years ago Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Florida) asked his then-employer to write software to alter votes on electronic voting machines in Florida.

      The U.K. Independent Online has an article Cover-up: toxic waters ‘will make New Orleans unsafe for a decade’ contending that U.S. government officials know it, and they just aren’t saying it.

      Chicago Police Officer Jerome Finnigan leaves the Cook County Criminal Courts Building in Chicago in this Nov. 14, 2006, file photo. The Chicago Police Department has been plagued with scandals lately with the biggest shock coming Wednesday, Sept. 26, 2007, when federal prosecutors charged special operations officer Finnigan with planning the murder of another member of the unit to keep him from talking to the government.

      During the 60′s Southern sheriffs sicked dogs on Black people marching for equality. While in cities like Philadelphia, cops beat Black school children and sicked dogs on them during protests for decent education. In 1982, Philadelphia police and the FBI played key roles in railroading Mumia Abu Jamal onto death row. In the 90′s, we saw Rodney King and Alicia Soltero beaten by California police on national TV. Today the Los Angeles police department is being rocked by the largest police scandal in US history. Cops have been caught brutalizing and murdering people and framing innocent people and sending them to jail. And last summer, Philly police were caught on video tape viciously beating a Black man, and Amtrak cops shot and killed an emotionally disturbed homeless man.

      And so on… And so on…

    5. Richard on November 12th, 2008 10:07 am

      Saw this AP article today … apparently many people in the Caribbean have had enough of the lawlessness and violence, and of the European answers of coddling the criminals.

      So people are demanding the death penalty.

      Let’s see … anyone care to suggest some names on some Caribbean islands for consideration?

      Caribbean Crime Rising, Advocates Want Killers Put to Death
      Tuesday, November 11, 2008

      SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Jamaican pastor Terrence Brown wants killers put to death — he’s even offered to trade his collar for a hangman’s hood to confront a crime wave that has been terrorizing his parishioners.

      “If the government doesn’t carry out their responsibility, you’re going to have jungle justice, and that is what is growing rapidly in Jamaica and across the Caribbean,” said Brown, a preacher with the evangelical Holiness Christian Church in Jamaica’s Spanish Town.

      Soaring crime has islanders demanding more executions, exhorting politicians to work around restrictions imposed by Europe and overwhelming international opposition that have all but ended capital punishment in the Caribbean.

      In Jamaica, the beheading of a young girl and the discovery of an 11-year-old boy’s dismembered body in a trash bag have increased pressure on parliament, where debate began Tuesday on whether to resume executions after 20 years.

      Advocates include Prime Minister Bruce Golding, who promised quicker executions before winning office last year. He declined to say Tuesday how he would vote.

      “I believe I must be careful not to influence people,” Golding said, as he urged legislators to follow their conscience. “In whatever directions those views point, we should proceed to act accordingly … It’s important for us to resolve this issue.”

      Opponents say governments should focus on reducing poverty and corruption instead.

      “Instead of trying to solve the crime problem, we wave the study of the death penalty as a flag but there won’t be any kind of change,” said Jamaica’s Amnesty International coordinator, Maria Carla Gullotta.

      Polls consistently show strong support for the death penalty in the Caribbean, but nobody has been executed in the region outside Cuba since the Bahamas hanged a convicted killer in 2000.

      Capital punishment is on the books across the English-speaking Caribbean, and governments are stiffening penalties and limiting appeals. At least 90 prisoners are on death row in the region, including four men who were ordered to hang in St. Kitts and Nevis in August before a court granted a reprieve.

      A primary obstacle is the London-based Privy Council, the highest court of review for many former British colonies. It ruled that sentences must be commuted to life in prison if the condemned are not executed within five years — a window some consider unreasonable because appeals are so slow.

      Rising crime also plagues the Caribbean’s French and British territories, but capital punishment is a political nonstarter for these islands because laws would need rewriting in the abolitionist strongholds of London and Paris. The Netherlands and its Caribbean territories also outlawed capital punishment.

      Hit hardest is Jamaica, where 3 million people suffered more than 1,240 murders this year. But smaller resort islands are affected too. After two British honeymooners were shot dead in July in Antigua, the government proposed the gallows for crimes involving weapons, even if the victim is not killed.

      Brown is one of several prominent Jamaican churchmen pressing for executions. He said the violence is destroying families, and suggested himself a hangman to prove there would be no shortage of volunteers. The idea stirred a national debate, and despite some criticism, many have echoed his offer. “I know many persons who are willing to do it,” he said.

      Capital punishment has been abolished for decades in the Spanish-speaking, predominantly Catholic Dominican Republic. Religious and cultural opposition to the death penalty also holds in the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico, where jurors often reject federal prosecutors’ requests for death.

      But islanders see it as a solution in Trinidad and Tobago, where the attorney general asked legislators to amend the constitution to keep the Privy Council from interfering after British judges ordered 52 prisoners off death row in August.

      “Apart from all the smoke screen that has been thrown up about whether the death penalty will reduce crime, the foremost principle is the ability of the state to carry out its laws,” said Elson Crick, a spokesman for the prime minister of St. Vincent, which is preparing to revise its constitution. In response to citizen demands, Crick said it will likely make executions easier.

    6. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 12:10 pm


      You are so right.

      And since the government, police and judges are flawless in a country with the death penalty. Only the people that deserve it will be executed.

    7. Amazing on November 12th, 2008 12:56 pm

      Richard you are amazing. Everytime the trolls from Aruba come here. You just beat them back to there holes.

    8. weasel on November 12th, 2008 1:53 pm


      why dont you move to Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iraq and let us know how you like it there ?

      stay on topic. topic is JVS /Thailand sex trade.

    9. ryan on November 12th, 2008 2:52 pm


    10. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 3:08 pm


      A person doesn’t need to go there to know it SUCKS over there.


      I think Aruba is made of Vulcanic activity. It seems impossible that trolls or other beings go to a hole. Since there are no holes. Even the dead they have to bury on the ground (instead of under the ground). They cemetaries have small buildings in which the dead are buried (most of them at least).

    11. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 3:10 pm

      From the site of PrdV: (translation below)


      Politie zoekt getuigen

      Justitie in Thailand onderzoekt of Joran van der Sloot zich schuldig heeft gemaakt aan (het voorbereiden van) vrouwenhandel. In de uitzending van zondagavond 9 november was te zien dat Joran vergevorderde plannen had om Thaise meisjes naar een Nederlandse seksclub te sturen.

      Een woordvoerder van de Thaise ambassade in Den Haag heeft het onderzoek maandag bevestigd. Een band van de uitzending over Joran, met een Thaise vertaling, is naar de autoriteiten in Bangkok gestuurd. Volgens de woordvoerder zoekt de politie op dit moment naar getuigen. Het is nog onduidelijk of Joran wordt gearresteerd.


      Thailand researches humansmugle Joran

      Police searches for witnesses

      Law in Thailand researches whether Joran van der Slut made himself guilty of (the preparation) of womenstrading. In the show of sundayevening November 9th it was shown that Joran had developed plams to sent Thai girls to a dutch sexclub.

      A spokesperson of the Thai embassy in The Hague confirmed this research on Monday. Tape of the show about Joran, with a Thai translation, has been sent to the authorities in Bangkok. According to the spokesperson the police is searching at this moment for witnesses. It is yet unclear whether Joran will be arrested.

    12. Richard on November 12th, 2008 3:26 pm

      The Dutch are wonderful … just ask the Indonesians, whom they once colonized ….

      (Naturally, this does not apply to everyone.)

    13. Vicki on November 12th, 2008 3:26 pm

      Yes thanks Richard. you use way more intelligence in dealing with those trolls…they are complete morons as in number 1′s comment…obviously, they havent heard the whole tape.. I bet anything Satish and Deepak are sorry they ever met the pissass idiot URINE…hahahahahahaha

    14. weasel on November 12th, 2008 4:48 pm


      A person doesn’t need to go there to know it SUCKS over there.

      so quit complaining about the US system.

    15. Greg on November 12th, 2008 4:55 pm

      Where is Joran Van der Sloot hiding?

    16. Paul Breiveld on November 12th, 2008 5:18 pm


      Wow, you have a way of reasoning. You put the worst case scenario and then you compare it to the USA. And when the USA is better… then one should not complain about the USA. I can complain about any system in the USA, as I can about any other system anywhere else. No system is flawless. What I do not like is the feeling of superiority from people. (like #13)


      No news in dutch media about that. It seems he went to a Thai Island to (suspected) flee Thailand from there. Laos, Cambodia or Malaysia could be a bet. Or maybe even Australia (there are a lof of budget airlines in the area).

    17. weasel on November 12th, 2008 5:58 pm

      sounds like you are quite the professional ‘complainer’ then.
      also seems like you are quite the expert about problems in the US and the Rodney King incident and how bad the LAPD is. Things that happenned back in the 60′s in the South, etc.

      like everyone else on this thread, just curious if you have ever been to Southeast
      Central yourself.

    18. Helen Back on November 12th, 2008 6:38 pm

      #1 – SM

      LOL setar

    19. kbrc on November 12th, 2008 7:16 pm

      Looks like a pattern’s developing. He’s beginning to believe he’s OJ.. High time someone takes this youngster down!!

    20. Greg on November 12th, 2008 10:09 pm

      Update: source Nancy Grace 11/12/2008 Joran took
      plane to Ko Sumi,Thailand… Being held by police.

      Next stop Bangkok Hilton? Coming soon new prison dancer from Aruba. “Joran Van der Sloot” :-)

    21. ANewGirl on November 12th, 2008 10:34 pm


      To Paul Breiveld- you posted:

      What I do not like is the feeling of superiority from people. (like #13)

      Give me a break! Perhaps what WE don’t like is the feeling of ENVY we continually hear from foriegners! I use the adjective envy—because it appears as if YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE SUPERIOR ADTITUDE here, Pal. Why is it that countless millions non-Americans flock to the US every year—continue to live and thrive here—yet CONTINUALLY complain about the United States??? I just want to know, once and for all—if the US is so damn bad—why are you all still here?

      The topic is about a Dutch Citizen who raped and murdered an American girl while on vacation in Aruba. He and others have never been prosecuted for their crimes, and then the same person goes on to find gainful employment in the Thailand sex trade!

      That is the topic, Paul- not about how the US does not have a flawless legal system. As you point out-there is no authentic system which is flawless. And as #17 Weasel stated- I also think you are the professional complainer here.

      “A leopard never changes it’s spots”…very true. Joran VDS is the leopard in this instance and that is the point of this thread ! He’s scum.


    22. weasel on November 12th, 2008 11:03 pm

      #21 A NewGirl

      you notice the same thing I do about the big
      ‘CRYBABY’ Paul Breiveld. He keeps crying about the US, Guantanamo Bay, white racism in the 60′s, Rodney King. Probably nothing he has ever experienced first hand but just seen on anti-US news TV. He never stays on topic. He is trying to throw a big smokescreen for Joran, Paulus, and ANita. If he doesn’t like the US why doesn’t he go off and start another thread about some US topic since he knows SO MUCH about the US. Maybe even start his own anti-US website.

    23. weasel on November 12th, 2008 11:04 pm

      #20 Greg no kidding ?

    24. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 12:41 am


      I do like the US. I just dislike certain elements in it. Especially the ignorant White Trash Rednecks (and weasels).

    25. Richard on November 13th, 2008 12:44 am

      Whether the poster who adopts the name of Paul Breiveld likes the U.S. or not … does anyone here, or elsewhere, give a hoot?

      I think it’s obvious enough … once Natalee’s case came back into the news on this forum, we were graced with the presence of one or more trolls under this name. Their contribution has been to assail the U.S. … as if we cared.

      What matters is that the ‘Dutch system,’ in light of what is going on with Joran in Thailand, is coming into ever greater prominence:


      No matter what evidence comes out, the Arubans (and the Dutch) just say “We won’t do anything.”

      And Hans Mos wants to close the case in December.

      No point in getting outraged about it … what can we expect, after events since May 2005?

      What we can and should do is point out to the world that Aruba is basically fit for sewage.

      You’re not sewage? Fine … don’t go there.

      No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.

    26. Richard on November 13th, 2008 1:01 am

      Here’s an article from the Birmingham News, of a few hours ago … Dave Holloway speaks out.

      When I read this, and think of what he must be feeling, I feel like my comments above (“What else can you expect of Aruba and the Dutch?”), though they may be in line with what we’ve seen, are wrong.

      I feel, after reading this, as though Aruba ought to be stomped on, as one might do with a cockroach.

      Then again, perhaps a cockroach has a purpose in nature.

      Nothing against the ordinary Aruban people … but everything against the criminal scum that run the place.


      Natalee Holloway’s father said Wednesday he believes a video that shows the main suspect in his daughter’s disappearance talk about trafficking in prostitutes — but doesn’t believe it will make a difference in his family’s case.

      “It’s been a sham from the beginning,” Dave Holloway said from his home in Mississippi. “You look at all this stuff and it’s unbelievable.”

      Holloway said he had watched part of and read a transcript of a Dutch television show that allegedly slows Joran van der Sloot telling two men posing as members of the Dutch sex trade that he could get Thai women to work for them on false documents.

      The show, which aired Sunday in Holland, was created by Peter De Vries, who last year captured van der Sloot talking callously about dumping Holloway’s body. De Vries won an international Emmy for that show.

      Holloway disappeared in 2005 while on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Van der Sloot, who was the last person seen with her before she disappeared, was arrested but never tried due to lack of evidence.

      In the show, De Vries showed Van der Sloot, 21, in Bangkok talking to sex workers and offering to find them paying work. At the end of the show, De Vries confronted him on the phone and Van der Sloot dismissed the claims, saying, “I have done nothing. You initiated everything.”

      Dutch news outlets have reported that the Thai authorities have requested a copy of the tape. Holloway said he had heard some speculation that van der Sloot had already been arrested, but could not confirm it.

      However, he said that if van der Sloot was tried and convicted of trafficking in Thailand — a crime he said could mean eight years in prison — it would bring him some comfort.

      “If he’d have to spend some time in a Thai jail, that’d be better than spending 30 in an Aruban prison,” Holloway said. “That’s like the difference between a five-star hotel and .¤.¤. a dungeon.”

    27. Greg on November 13th, 2008 2:50 am

      If the arrest is confirmed? Joran Van der Sloot could face eight years in prison for his Thai Sex Trade deal caught on tape. I do not believe Joran could survive eight years in a Thai jail. If he did not get out of Thailand he is kaput.

    28. Richard on November 13th, 2008 9:01 am

      Unless someone makes arrangements to buy his way out, as in clemency. Or buy off the prosecutors.

    29. Richard on November 13th, 2008 9:13 am

      Looks like a tsunami is growing in the Caribbean, judging from this article … and since Aruba, which derives 70%-80% of its economy from U.S. tourism (not including illegal components), has shown that it is indifferent at BEST to the well-being of its guests …

      Who knows how severe a blow it can take?

      Back in the days of the Boston protest, one of my colleagues did some research and found that Aruba, whatever claims it made, was in truth one of the most expensive Caribbean destinations.

      So go to Aruba, where you’re soaked and at risk.

      Or do yourself a favor … DON’T go.

      Here’s the article:

      Bahamas’ Atlantis resort lays off 800 employees

      SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – The Atlantis hotel and resort in the Bahamas says it has laid off roughly 800 workers due to low occupancy rates amid the global economic crisis.

      The cuts represent about 10 percent of the work force at the country’s largest private employer.

      The layoffs announced Wednesday add to the misery for the Atlantic archipelago’s tourism-driven economy, which is reeling from a steep decline in visitors from the United States. Hundreds of other hotel workers already have lost jobs or seen their hours reduced.

      George Markantonis is president and managing director of the hotel’s owner, Kerzner International Bahamas Limited. He says the decision was “difficult and emotional” because of the impact on the Bahamas.

    30. Richard on November 13th, 2008 9:16 am

      And lest the trolls start yelping, let me say it again: I have no animosity toward the Aruban people.

      But unless and until justice is done for Natalee, I guess they (like Beth, Dave, and family) will be victim to their own government’s intransigence.

      If Aruba chooses to protect its guilty, that’s its decision. Mine is to promote the boycott.

      Aruban people … speak up!

    31. weasel on November 13th, 2008 9:41 am


      Richard , I agree. NOTHING WILL BE DONE
      As we have seen the ‘Dutch system’ is:

      ‘If you ain’t Dutch, you ain’t much.’

    32. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 11:33 am


      Then for sure you are not dutch. Are you from the future Estados Unidos?

    33. aruban on November 13th, 2008 12:43 pm



    34. aruban on November 13th, 2008 12:45 pm


      SM: Actually he’s sitting in the Las Vegas jail right now, so NO (klaasend)

    35. aruban on November 13th, 2008 12:51 pm



    36. libby on November 13th, 2008 12:52 pm

      I agree with Richard too. Nothing will ever be done to Joran or Paulus. If they haven’t done anything to them yet, they never will.

      I think some day someone will get tired of them both and take them out. I only hope that they will both be terrified and made to suffer just like Natalee…and probably many more innocent women they have been raped, murdered or sold. After all, they “have done this to so many times before..”

    37. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 1:15 pm


      How many women do you think PvdS and Joran van der Slut have sold up to date?

    38. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 1:32 pm

      8 held in death at Ku Klux Klan rite
      Nov. 12, 2008 12:00 AM
      Associated Press
      COVINGTON, La. – An Oklahoma woman invited to a rural Louisiana campsite for a Ku Klux Klan initiation ritual was shot and killed after she asked to be taken back to town, the sheriff of a New Orleans suburb said Tuesday.

      Eight people were arrested after authorities found the woman’s body hidden under some brush, on the side of a road several miles from the remote campsite where the initiation was planned.

      Investigators found weapons, several flags and six Klan robes at the campsite, St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Jack Strain said in a news release.

      Strain said the woman, whose identity was not released, was recruited over the Internet to participate in the ritual and then return to her home state to find other members for the White-supremacist group.

      But Strain said the group’s leader, Raymond “Chuck” Foster, 44, shot and killed the woman Sunday after a fight broke out when she tried to leave. Foster was charged with second-degree murder and is being held without bond.

      Capt. George Bonnett, a spokesman for the sheriff’s department, said he didn’t know what the initiation involved.

      “We haven’t completely sorted out if they finished the initiation,” he said. “I assume that they had started it, but I don’t know if they were finished.”

      Bonnett said he doesn’t know if Foster has an attorney. He also said that in three years with the department, this was the first time he had seen a case involving the KKK.

      Seven others – five men and two women from 20 to 30 years old – were charged with obstruction of justice and were held on $500,000 bond at the St. Tammany Parish jail.



    39. libby on November 13th, 2008 1:59 pm

      #37. I have no idea. I would be willing to bet a lot have been raped and or murdered by Joran, Paulus and their buddies. As for how many have been trafficked, hard to say. The fact that Joran has now made it public that he is trafficking or attempting to traffic women, he won’t last long in the business. Someone will take him out. He is stupid and has a big mouth. Keep your fingers crossed that he keeps flapping his big mouth. Maybe he will get what is coming to him.

    40. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 2:06 pm


      How many women do you think they murdered then?

    41. libby on November 13th, 2008 3:00 pm

      #39. Don’t know. Ask them. Joran and his buddies are the ones that made the statement “we have done this many times before.” Joran is evil. He is a psychopath. His father is a pervert who has has assisted his son and covered for his son for God only knows how long.

      It is time for the authorities to step in and get them off the streets but they won’t. I know it is wrong but I pray that someone takes them out before they hurt someone else and /or put another family through what they put Natalee’s through.

    42. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 3:55 pm


      Even though I do not believe they murdered “many women” I hope your prayers are answered (even though I am not a religious person myself) that no other family has to go through the process of missing a daughter.

    43. viet ver on November 13th, 2008 3:55 pm

      I really think we will not have to worry about Joran too much longer. He seems to draw fire everywhere he goes. If he goes to jail in the far east, he will get his justly deserves. And Aruban can join up with Hugo, that will really seal the deal on tourists. We don’t care.

    44. Paul Breiveld on November 13th, 2008 4:26 pm


      One does wonder, with so many attention put on the guy, why no one ever felt like fighting him for real…

    45. viet vet on November 13th, 2008 6:01 pm

      #44 . There is no reason to fight this fellow, I cannot see what good it would do for the case or as a correction to his behavior. I have read that he has had death threats and been in fights but it is probably better to just aggravate him until such time someone decides to end his life. His life must be somewhat dismal, what future does he have? If he leaves Thailand, where will he go? Maybe he should go to the USA and continue his education on a soccer scholarship. I agree with you, no one will ever feel like fighting him, for real. One does wonder.

    46. Greg on November 13th, 2008 6:33 pm

      I watch the new Peter R. de Vries show. Joran is a rapist, confessed murderer,now a pimp, sex slave trader.

      Aruba has set this Thug free to walk this earth, and bring havoc to all of us. See the pattern? Joran likes to hurt women.

    47. Richard on November 13th, 2008 9:41 pm

      So where does Joran get the money to finance all of these escapades … not to mention the money that the family spends on lawyers? It’s more than just a sadistic temper, I suspect.

    48. Richard on November 13th, 2008 11:46 pm

      Another potential body blow to Aruba.

      The Wall Street Journal reports today (November 13, page A5) that the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve on Wednesday issued rules that bar financial companies from processing payments connected to most gambling Web sites.

      The Journal says that this move effectively makes internet gambling illegal, presumably because the payment of monies owed cannot be enforced.

      Democratic lawmakers, the banking sector and elements of the gambling industry oppose the move.

      We remember that there was discussion of this idea some years back. Aruba and other Caribbean countries are home to many Web sites that offer this, so this action, if the new administration does not undo the move, will further cut into revenues there … and, perhaps, one mechanism for money-laundering.

      Good work!

    49. Paul Breiveld on November 14th, 2008 7:27 am


      Rumsfeld’s Abu Ghraib Cover-Up!



    50. dotratc on November 14th, 2008 8:34 am


      Interesting article you posted about the out-of-control crime rate on Jamaica. I noticed that it also mentioned the British and French islands. I guess it is true what they say, Aruba is a much safer destination than the rest of the region.

      I’ll go one further. Aruba is a safer destination than pretty much anywhere in the U.S., as well.

    51. Rusty Bridges on November 14th, 2008 9:14 am

      Thank you Paul for the help with the clarification, see #38 “Foster was charged with second-degree murder and is being held without bond.” In US we strive to punish the guilty, in Aruba your life means nothing to the LE.

    52. Richard on November 14th, 2008 10:24 am

      To poster #50 … Why do you think that Aruba is any exception to the rest of the Caribbean?

      Because its advertising pretends that it is?

      Maybe instead of being treated like sheep and told to protest Beth’s pleas for justice, the Aruban people also believe that the European-style coddling of criminals isn’t the right path.

      And maybe, just maybe, they’ll begin to show this by telling their government to drop the cover-up and the protection of the Dutch ruling class on Aruba … OR ELSE.

      Wouldn’t that be nice?

    53. Melissa on November 14th, 2008 10:34 am


    54. Paul Breiveld on November 14th, 2008 11:32 am


      That is probably because the Island houses more AMERICANS then actual Arubans during holiday season!

      I guess you’ve never been to a high crime black neighbourhood in the States?

      In Hollywood everybody has the high security walls… It must be HELL there then after I saw your conclusions about High Security Walls.

      An average highschool in the US is already more dangerous then Aruba. All those highschool shootings. And you can even buy guns in a supermarket in the States. And guns usually KILL people. I have to see the first gun that does not hurt!

      CAPS LOCK you can put off (in case you didn’t know)

    55. dotratc on November 14th, 2008 12:49 pm


      Don’t you think you’re being just a little bit over-dramatic? I know that Aruba is not crime free but your description exists only in your imagination.

    56. Greg on November 14th, 2008 3:39 pm

      Paul works for the Aurban board of tourism?

      Crimes take place all over the world. I think the boycot is more about the legal system in Aruba.

      The lack of JUSTICE tends to get people a little crazy.

    57. Paul Breiveld on November 15th, 2008 2:35 am


      I agree on your final comment. I think the AMERICANS here notice the lack of justice in their own country so often, that when they feel it happens somewhere else to one of their own (instead of just in their own counry, coz then they seem to less care: check all the other stories on this site with much less comments in the boards) then they start focussing on that and feel less shitty about all the wrongfullness in their own country.

    58. viet vet on November 17th, 2008 4:40 pm

      #57 … I am not sure what you are trying to sell here. We Americans do not care if you boycott us, or come to our country for anything. There is crime here, there is crime in Aruba. But believe me, there is no way the van der Sloots would have walked in the US after so much evidence, outright lies, and very poor police cooperation and investigation. Aruba spent a tremendous amount of time and money to not prosecute the guilty parties. Why?: Who knows, but we all know Joran is and will remain on the run. He is and always will be …Guilty.

    59. chris on November 17th, 2008 5:17 pm

      #57 since you seem to relish having people respond to your inane stuff, let me just say this:
      You are an idiot now, will always be and most likely have been one all your life.
      This is not about the US, our criminal system or who got killed and when. This has always been and will continue to be about Natalee and Joran who took it on himself to kill her.
      Until the Aruban people will realize what the van der Sloot family has brought on the island and speak out, we will continue to encourage the boycott.
      As for Joran, I pray that he will get his just reward, maybe not this year, but justice will out.

    60. Paul Breiveld on November 18th, 2008 12:25 am

      O.J. Simpson thinks the same as you! (Duh!)

      Well, this became about the people who are so pathetic that they want a boycott to a country in this case. And then they keep ignoring so many other things much closer to them in their own country that they seem to neglect.

      I still find it amazing that the artictles about Joran get so much more replies then other stories on this site. And a lot of other stories affect americans much more direct then this one (except for the family and friends of Natalee of course). But here is where you see the fanatics. The Aruban people have spoken out more then once against the Van der Sloots (and not because of a boycott from you people).

      The namecalling will come back to you. I pray for that!

    61. viet vet on November 19th, 2008 5:47 pm

      You know Paul, you keep going back to O.J. Simpson. O.J. was arrested and his case was tried in court of law. I think he was guilty, but the jury apparently did not. He was tried, there was a trial, the police did arrest him, and he won his case. That happens, but what about a country or semi-country that will not even take people to trial? Being set free by a court of law even if you were guilty is one thing, but when a government covers up a crime is certainly another. Aruba’s government is as guilty as Joran. Paul,YOU spend too much time with your head in the sand, or maybe you are really one of the van der sloots. You are so weak, like them.

    62. Dolf on November 21st, 2008 8:08 am

      funny to see the Arubans complaining and pointing towards Holland again.

      If only you had taken the aid (and the belonging Justice overhaul and the anti-corruption investigation)
      SM: Good point, people who live in glass houses, right.

    63. Dolf on November 21st, 2008 8:09 am


      weinig te doen op je werk?

    64. Dolf on November 21st, 2008 8:57 am

      SM: Good point, people who live in glass houses, right.

      missed this 1, sarcasm?

    65. meemee on November 21st, 2008 2:48 pm

      joran and his family and lawyer are scumbags. unfortunately i feel the same of the arubian people. someone on that island knows what happened and you are too chicken to say anything. the decent thing would be for this family to have closure. my children and grandchildren will never set foot on arubian soil unit justice for natalee is done. HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE SLEEP AT NIGHT. GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS AND MAY JORAN AND HIS DAD ROT IN HELL.

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