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Ohio Governor says no to Obama VP position.
A funny thing happened on the way to the general election, Barack Obama is finding it difficult to get the Veep position filled by a uniting candidate in a swing state. Ohio is an all important battle ground state in November. A state that Obama lost in the Democratic primaries to Hillary Clinton. The news just got a bit worse for Obama as Ohio Governor Ted Strickland stated he will not run with Obama as VP.
ABC News’ Teddy Davis and John Santucci Report: Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) was Shermanesque on Tuesday in saying that he would “absolutely not” be Sen. Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., running mate even if asked to join the Democratic ticket.
Asked on NPR’s “All Things Considered” if he is auditioning to be Obama’s running mate, Strickland said, “Absolutely not. If drafted I will not run, nominated I will not accept and if elected I will not serve.
So, I don’t know how more crystal clear I can be.”
So much for gaining that candidate in an all important must win battle ground state like Ohio. There will be no Obama-Strickland ticket and Obama’s chances of victory in Ohio just became more difficult. What is more interesting about this decision by Strickland is that he is a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter. What does that tell us about the Democratic party so-called coming together after the bitterly contested primary?
To add just a little bit more Democratic party unity, Democratic Representative Dan Boren of Oklahoma stated that Barack Obama is “the most liberal senator” in Congress and he has no intention of endorsing him for the White House. So much for support from moderate Democrats. As most had suspected, many moderate Dems find Obama to liberal to endorse.
“I think this is an important time for our country,” Boren said in a telephone interview. “We’re facing a terrible economic downturn. We have high gasoline prices. We have problems in our foreign policy. That’s why I think it’s important.”
Boren, the lone Democrat in Oklahoma’s congressional delegate, said that while Obama has talked about working with Republicans, “unfortunately, his record does not reflect working in a bipartisan fashion.”
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There is the liberal left of center and … then there is the Socialist/Marxist Far-Left and Obviously Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) is not the latter.
Janet
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DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA) – CHICAGO BRANCH
Thursday, February 14, 2008
Change Obama can believe in: Socialism?
By Cliff Kincaid
Campaign workers for Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara.
But Obama has his own controversial connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based socialist group with ties to the Socialist International, access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.
Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/ss_politics_02_14.asp
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA)
The Organization
We are socialists because WE REJECT AN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER SUSTAINED BY PRIVATE PROFIT, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.
We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.
http://www.dsausa.org/about/index.html
Obviously Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) does not embrace the latter.
Janet
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Obama Sought Endorsement of Marxist Third Party in 1996
May 29, 2008
By Warner Todd Huston
Here is some interesting as well as character confirming info about one of Barack Obama’s former runs for office. Apparently, Obama actively sought and received the stamp of approval of a Marxist third party that operated briefly in Chicago between 1992 and 1998. The group was called the “New Party” and was started in 1992 by Daniel Cantor (a former staffer for Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign) and Joel Rogers (a sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison).
The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials — most often Democrats. The New Party’s short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.
Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party’s Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.
The New Party’s modus operandi included the political strategy of “electoral fusion,” where it would nominate, for various political offices, candidates from other parties (usually Democrats), thereby enabling each of those candidates to occupy more than one ballot line in the voting booth. By so doing, the New Party often was able to influence candidates’ platforms. (Fusion of this type is permitted in seven states — Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Mississippi, New York, South Carolina, and Vermont — but is common only in New York.)
Though Illinois was not one of the states that permitted electoral fusion, in 1995 Barack Obama nonetheless sought the New Party’s endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.
In 1996, three of the four candidates endorsed by the New Party won their electoral primaries. The three victors included Barack Obama (in the 13th State Senate District), Danny Davis (in the 7th Congressional District), and Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in the 7th Subcircuit Court. All four candidates attended an April 11, 1996 New Party membership meeting to express their gratitude for the party’s support.
The New Party’s various chapters similarly helped to elect dozens of other political candidates in a host of American cities.
One of the more notable New Party members was Carl Davidson, a Chicago-based Marxist who became a political supporter of Barack Obama in the mid-1990s.
In 1997 the New Party’s influence declined precipitously after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that electoral fusion was not protected by the First Amendment’s freedom of association clause. By 1998 the party was essentially defunct. Daniel Canto and other key party members went on to establish a new organization with similar ideals, the Working Families Party of New York.
This news pretty much confirms that Barack Obama is at the very least a neo-Marxist and also confirms the claim that he is one of the most far left leaning Senators we have in office today.
This man is no “new” politician, no “centrist,” and not interested in ever “reaching across the aisle.” This whole “new way” line of bunkum is all smoke a mirrors.
http://conservablogs.com/publiusforum/2008/05/29/obama-sought-endorsement-of-marxist-third-party-in-1996/
There is the liberal left of center and … then there is the Socialist/Marxist Far-Left . Obviously Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) does not embrace the latter.
Janet
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THE FOUNDATION OF TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST (TUCC) – BARACK OBAMA’S CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS
… “The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.”
http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm
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The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
April 2, 2008
While Black Liberation Theology is not main stream in most black churches, many pastors in Wright’s generation are burdened by (James) Cone’s categories which laid the foundation for many to embrace Marxism and a distorted self-image of the perpetual “victim.”
… In FOR MY PEOPLE, Cone explains that “the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are.”
More:
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php
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Chuck Hagel would be a good one.
that could be the winning ticket.
could compensate the so called military and foreign experience of McCain a bit.
Chuck Hagel is technically a Republican. If he were to join the Democratic ticket for VP he would not be able to show his face in his home state of Nebraska ever again.
He is negative for all things Iraq war but that is probably the only thing he has in common with Barak.
Anita
I believe that caesu is under the impression that may Hagel’s alliance to the Republican Party may be changing. His wife has pledge financial support for Obama.
Anita … caesu is Dutch and I am Canadian. Maybe you could share with us the implication of a Republican Senator whose wife is contributing financially to the election of a “Democratic” for president of the United States … a “Democratic” whose twenty years Marxist relationships and affliations may imply a “sheep in wolf’s clothing”.
I realize that some of the Bush policies … especially the Iraq issue … is unpopular among many Republicans but … switch to OBAMA?? I do not get it.
Thank you.
Janet
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GOP senator’s wife donates to Obama
May 29, 2008
WASHINGTON—Sens. John McCain and Chuck Hagel have long been friends. Fellow Republicans and Vietnam War veterans, their Senate offices are just across the hall from each other.
more stories like thisBut at least during the presidential primary, Hagel’s wife, Lilibet, is helping McCain’s likely Democratic rival, Barack Obama.
According to Federal Election Commission records, Mrs. Hagel donated twice to Obama’s campaign in February for a total contribution of $500. The contributions were first reported by the Washington Post.
The contribution came a month before Sen. Hagel, a sharp GOP critic of the war in Iraq, appeared on ABC’s “This Week” and declared that he and McCain have “pretty fundamental disagreements on the future of foreign policy.”
But Mrs. Hagel is acting on her own, said Mike Buttry, Sen. Hagel’s chief of staff. In fact, Mrs. Hagel has contributed to a Democrat before. Last August, she donated $250 to Niki Tsongas, a Democrat and widow of Sen. Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts who was running to fill a vacant House seat from the state.
“Mrs. Hagel is a private citizen who is entitled to decide who she supports and how she supports them,” Buttry said in a statement. “She has admired Mrs. Tsongas for many years, going back to the time when she was married to Senator Tsongas.”
He added: “Senator Hagel has not endorsed or supported any candidate in the presidential race.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/29/gop_senators_wife_donates_to_obama/
Anita
I believe the words of Senator Hagel’s Chief of Staff speaks volumes in regards to Hagel’s political leanings. I would have assumed it would have been a given that the Republican candidate would be the candidate of choice for a Republican Senator.
Something is not right. The people from the state of Nebraska deserves better representation from their elected Republican Senator.
Janet
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GOP senator’s wife donates to Obama
May 29, 2008
But Mrs. Hagel is acting on her own, said MIKE BUTTRY, SEN. HAGEL’S CHIEF OF STAFF. In fact, Mrs. Hagel has contributed to a Democrat before. Last August, she donated $250 to Niki Tsongas, a Democrat and widow of Sen. Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts who was running to fill a vacant House seat from the state.
“Mrs. Hagel is a private citizen who is entitled to decide who she supports and how she supports them,” Buttry said in a statement. “She has admired Mrs. Tsongas for many years, going back to the time when she was married to Senator Tsongas.”
HE ADDED: “SENATOR HAGEL HAS NOT ENDORSED OR SUPPORTED ANY CANDIDATE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/29/gop_senators_wife_donates_to_obama/
“There is the liberal left of center and … then there is the Socialist/Marxist Far-Left . Obviously Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) does not embrace the latter.”
Huh? What a silly statement that is.
Maybe he’s content as Governor and happy to help Ohio and has no ambition for the executive office.
Janet – it’s ok, you don’t have to keep saying “wolf is sheep’s clothing”. You can type what you really believe – that Obama is the Anti-Christ. nutty, imo.
I voted Hilary Clinton, and only support Hilary Clinton, No matter what Hilary Does suspend her campaign concede her campaign. No matter what Hilary does she could even support Obama and campaign for Obama I will never Vote for Barack Obama, I do think America is ready for a black president, just not Barack Obama,,, The way The Democratic party handle this election with the Corporate Media propaganda the whole election, Turned this election upside down,, Obama could of ran over someone,, like Haley Berry, No one would care and still vote,, Obama..
There several million Voter right now like my self, will not ever vote for Barack Obama, Many like my self will be Voting for McCain, my reason is simple,, the Obama voter came on CNN & MSNBC and said if obama does not win the primary, Obama supporter will vote for McCain, Democratic party did not do anything to the obama camp to stop ,, why is obama party splitting the party in half, Now pelosi and many other are blaming Hilary and kept on with the propaganda Corporate Media, Obama Said on the new so many time,, does not Matter, if your Democrat or Republican,, you want the right person for the right Job,, He is so right,,when He said that we wanted Hilary,, Well Congrats to Obama his supporter got him to the primary,,,but He will never win the election,, for President, I will not stop with my blogging,, who is the best man for the job between Barack & McCain,, will vote for McCain he will be way better than Barack Obama, I can put up for McCain for 4 years and Hilary Can run again, Pelosi and the rest of the democrat party,, days are number at this point, For pushing Hilary out and ruining her Career, Even now During Clinton Exit speech,, Democratic party Told Hilary if she does not back there little puppet Barack Obama they will ruin her career,, In my opinion They all ready Ruined Hilary Clinton Career, Right Now I am going listen to one thing Barack Obama said, and that is, like I said, it does not matter if your Democrat or republican who is the right person for the job,,,, Hillary supporter need to stick together, Vote for McCain or just not vote for we need the right person,,, Hilary is up on stage right now saying what pelosi and the democratic party are telling her what to do,, or Economy is down and the way the propaganda Media is,, we are turning into a 3rd world country,, by rigging the election thru the media, Hilary Supporter who really want Hilary to be president Need to vote for McCain or just not Vote for Barack Obama, let McCain win,, there nothing more he can do as president, Congress will not let him it Congress who controls everything,, not the president, Pelosi and the a lot of the democratic party ruined Hilary Career, If all Hilary Voter, stick together, than We can restore Hilary Career and make her President, in 4 years. if you vote for Obama we have to wait maybe 8 years or 4 years and republican will be office, if Obama wins the presidency he will only be 4 year term,,, I say give all your supporter not to the democratic party, but to Hilary Clinton.. democratic party needs all of them need to leave office and get fresh people in there, who can unite the party not keep it separated and force unity, to who they want not who the voter want,, Hilary would of won this election, DNC screwed her with Florida and Michigan if those vote were counted at the beginning she would of won this race along time ago..and for the sexist Media, Like CNN & MSNBC… will continue to not report the new but Make it up as they see fit, All Hilary supporter need to unit together.. and stick together,, Margaret Thatcher was prime Minister 30 years ago,, but American Men and New Bias, is keeping woman down for personal gain, Like Keith Oberman, & Chris Mathews Who are the biggest Sexist on this MSNBC stations
if you want things to stay the same vote for McCain, if you want things to get worse, Vote for Barack Obama
I do think a black could become president and at anytime now. A good black person that does not hate people. Rice or Juan Williams, there are others. Might not be able to get another and decent black in after November, that might get tested. Depends on how much black huliganisum there is after the election…win or lose. Either way I think there is trouble brewing.
I use the word scarry in here where it concerns our country. That blacks seem to 92% support Obama is “scarry”. A few percent of those support Obama because they feel he is the best candidate, but some major portion supports him only for racial reasons. Then this entire eye opening phenom I am late discovering of: how many black churches preach hate of whitey on Sunday, or occassional Sundays if that is bad enough.
As a person who feels of himself to have yielded to blacks and their causes for years, decades, I come to this point of seeing no appreciation, mutual respect, love of our country. My Roma great grandfather fought on the side of the North I suppose in part to free slaves. Our family can’t owe a lot more, but we did yield for many decades. We are mere Americans super proud of it. Americans do not need pitty, because we have opportunities.
My Mom told her kids we were too poor to go to college, so I did not until after retiring from the business world. Obama and wife not only went to college at traditional ages, they indulged in the finest universities. Then write books and themes of dissing America, not proud to be Americans, hang out with public enemies, and pal with false reverands whom themselves cleanup finacially and by explotation of week mindeds claiming pitty for but one segment of our society. How selfish.
Pitty is now proven a bad thing, we spent into it and got nothing in return. I am done with it now. My post is too long to also go into the many ways of double standards of blacks, examples: Miss Black America, Black college funds, Black caucus, or special black anything it is inapproprieate fo r others to have the same. No more help from me ever again.
Should a black person dare to tell me out front, “I do not hate people”…I want that person for a friend. Though in private life, where I have sought to ask blacks who use my property to fish or whatever — they have lock jaw. I stopped such treaspass, we are done, no restart after the election. Don’t know them.
Decent not hating people blacks could have taken this in a positive direction. But as it is, the mood of race relations is well dependant on how successfully resolved this election comes down. That is unprecedented and scarry. Spooky that hate reverands will end up being center stage. Who could have dreamed this to happen>
“it Congress who controls everything,, not the president”
OK…then how would it be possible that Obama would make things worse since you say it’s Congress that…oh never mind.
btw – you’re spelling her first name wrong. It’s spelled Hillary.
I will not vote for Obama, not because he is black but because of Rev Wright, his wife’s outspoken dislike of America in general and her race hatred,etc. I thought we had gotten past that somewhat but I guess not. I am taking a big interest in who each one picks as a vp because I do not know if either one of them will finish out their term. I would love to see McCain pick Condoleezza Rice. I would also like to know who paid for Ms Obama’s education. I imagine that it was whitey. Who will be Obama’s cabinet, Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, OJ Simpson?
#10 PaulV
McCain was not my first choice, Romney was, but McCain might make some difference to the good.
I own some oil and gas wells, trade oil and gas amoung other things. MOre can be drilled, easily, but not for more anticipated taxing. Actually I would be for plugging mine anytime now. I think most people perform better when appreciated rather than resented and forced. I think McCain may have good sense in this area.
Too, I am some part inventor. Have taken my shots at alterntive energy also and submitted my free propsals to universities and Dept of Commerce. Obviously, since I waste my time here misspelling I must suck at being an inventor of any matter whatsoever.
HOwever, enjoying science only and not a scientist or physicist.. laughing, I would like to see the gov help with some key breakthrough technologies, which would open countless new inventions. Such areas of very narrow development might be clean carbon or very narrow battery developement. Countless people might have many other areas of needed break through to open the taps of innovation. My guess, being nobody, is a scientific team (not rejects but volunteers, the best asked for service) with dozens and dozens of millions of dollars could get key breakthroughs. I think this is the way the gov can help, leaving some red tape aside so thier is more work than records keeping and boinking gov regulations…and do not shotgun effect. Try to go for main purpose…not meaning you throw stuff out that comes as a side. Maybe the side becomes most important. But I do not see wind power or solar as areas to throw money away on right now, they seem tapped out developement wise for long to come.
Heat source technology could be interesting, as in energy spun from a heat source. New stuff. Free heat source energy.
Would like to see McCain expand geothermal greatly. Near the source.
To be able to burn coal cleanly is our nearest saving. There are current developments that could use more refinement, not to take it away from the ones developing it, but the gov can step in and apply money with scientists and inventors to make it work right now, install the improvements within 2 years.
Gov money cannot be spent well by widely broadcasting. I cannot in my past busines years do well bogged down with quotas of skin and sex types. I do not thiink going through universities is good at all. I like private people, hard working and proven honest and innovative…movers and shakers, ripe for think tanks. But can the gov work this way? Guess we are no t serious yet.
“I do think a black could become president and at anytime now. A good black person that does not hate people.”
tuyvnsurvivor – cool. Then you believe Obama could be elected as well.
“I come to this point of seeing no appreciation, mutual respect, love of our country.”
Barack appreciates, respects and loves our country.
Barrack never wrote books or themes dissing America, he’s proud to be an American. And he’s a politician – they all at one time or another hung out with enemies (as perceived by a minimum of 1 person).
And the Rev thing – are you saying that Barack’s views have been shaped by his experiences at that church and with that Rev? Is that what your saying?
good to see ya btw.
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SM: yoyo … its was Obama who said that Wright was his spiritual adviser. By the very definition of the term that means that Wright had an influence on Obama and shaped his thoughts and opinions. 20 years has a way of doing that to a person. Also, do not get the Obama-Wright 20 year relationship confused with an individuals casual Christan way of only going to church on Sundays. Obama and Wright had a relationship that was much more than that.
Obama had no problem with Wright, Wright’s words or Wright’s opinions until those very same things adversely affected his political aspirations.
I do not believe Obama hates America … I believe Obama is dangerous for America,
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9. yoyo muffintop on June 11th, 2008 9:25 pm
Janet – it’s ok, you don’t have to keep saying “wolf is sheep’s clothing”. You can type what you really believe – that Obama is the Anti-Christ. nutty, imo.
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yoyo … you are wring. I DO NOT think the Obama is the Anti-Christ … but I could be wrong. LOL
However … when I consider the Marxist ideology of the individuals and organizations which Obama has been associated with throughout the past twenty-years … I contend the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” in a “Marxist disguised as a Democract”.
Janet
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Republicans prepare to take aim at Obama
Wednesday, January 9, 2008
But for former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was known as “the Hammer” on Capitol Hill, said Republicans need to start deconstructing Mr. Obama now.
“Somebody from our side needs to start talking about Obama today. He’s a Marxist but a very smart one — he doesn’t let anyone know it,” said Mr. DeLay.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=1
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=2
McCain has way more problems in his own party.
At least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president, and more than a dozen others declined to answer whether they back the Arizona senator.
Many of the recalcitrant GOP members declined to detail their reasons for withholding support, but Rep. John Peterson (R-Pa.) expressed major concerns about McCain’s energy policies and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) cited the Iraq war.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/new-gang-of-14-wont-back-mccain-2008-06-11.html
caesu
If I were an American … I would not endorse Senator McCain. However … this capital “C” Conservation would hold her breath and cast her ballot for him when she considered the alternative.
It does appear that MANY Republicans and Democracts did not end up with a candidate they could endorse. However … when you consider the FAR-LEFT ideology of Barack Obama … it does make sense that McCain is the default candidate.
A vote for the independent candidate would only split the Republican vote and … usher in the guy who promises “change”.
For now … Barack Obama only knows what “change” implies.
Janet
“I contend the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” in a “Marxist disguised as a Democract”.”
Got it – fair enough.
15 yoyo, thanks again when you welcomed me back, that was nice and noticed.
Sure a good black canadate could be president at this place in time (or a good female, or one and the same), no doubt at all in my mind. Zero doubt. For a country I love more than most do, and some find that corny, I hope it is not Obama. I fear his having run this far alone is dangerous to our country. Whatever percentage of blacks follow his clear racist lead because he is black and for no other reason, could have followed a good non hating person who happened to be black. We did not get so fortunate. In our country’s past we have crossed some points where we could have easily fallen, luck entered or a bending of our constitution prevailed…we inched by. This time and no more can it be the later. We need some luck for hate to miss us all.
My number one current fear of Obama, which I seem to have missed seeing the media realize…perhaps they have. It is to watch him is to see he is clearly not an independant thinker. Not to be an independant thinker just to be a hard head, that would be as bad. But what he clearly does do is allow himself to simi passively be influenced by all things he feels progressing to *feelings. Which is a trap, because rational thought is absent. I think he has feelings prior to rational thought; makes him a pushover to be adversely inflenced; indeed he is dependant totally on outside influence; he is a puppet and dangerous.
My view is anyone who can get an idea, invent the gadget, develope it, start a business and make it a go marketing and all will be an independant thinker. Absolutely they will have supremely intelligent people and employees with expert imput, though feelings will not make 99% of the decissions. At the top it will require immediate focusing in on what is important and spending your time on significance. The US gov is the largest business in the world.
Think in your mind. If Obama had 6 months to be advised and made aware of the ongoings of say a small 10 milllion dollar a year business, could he then sit in the head office and run the business successfully for 6 months? Would he only be influuenced by others in the company, you already did not want in charge because you knew they would go in wrong directions?
I think Obama is hugely influenced by hate and associations which would keep him from getting a average security clearance in the military. He is a bad business experiment. He is a racist and hangs with the kind.
Will not happen but fo r grins and dreaming: If Rice and Juan Williams jumped in with a 3rd party they walk in the office. Same for Romney and Rice, oddly I do think it would be Romney/Rice on that one and not vs versa. I fully plan to vote for McCain as someone said “by default”, sure hop e he picks Romney…I like business minds, open minds, capable of independant thought. And hate long, around the block, gas pump lines
TOWN HALL MEETING 7:00 EDT TONIGHT on FOX NEWS
from McCain’s website:
Please tune into The Fox News Channel tonight at 7PM EDT to watch the first 2008 Presidential Town Hall, broadcast from Federal Hall in New York City. This historic location is where President George Washington first took the oath of office. Tonight it will play host to John McCain while he answers questions from real voters about important issues including the economy, energy prices and the war.
The truth is I won’t vote for either candidate. Obama’s relationships and propensity to lie about them has me very concerned for our county. I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams how this man got to where he is.
Obama said today that he supports higher gas prices – the only think “bad” was how fast they rose! Now there’s a guy that’s going to help out the American worker – NOT!
However, though I keep looking hard for a reason to change my mind, I simply can’t cast my vote for McCain. He does not believe in a democratic, representative government. He thinks his ideas are what rule rather than the people he is suppose to represent. Again, I fear for our country but certainly not for the same reasons I do with Obama. McCain will add about 20 million illegals (many poor and looking for government handouts) to the voter roles. It will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. We can’t support anymore butt sitters.
tuyvnsurvivor – say you black person that was born in 1950 and grew up in the South.
You were born in a separate hospital, went to a separate school, ate at separate restaurants, drank at separate water fountains, separate bathrooms etc, etc…Thousands of people were lynched for no other reason that their skin color.
So that person lived that for 15+ years.
Do you think that could possibly influence the way that person thinks about whites? Is that person just supposed to “get over it”? Blacks, especially in the South, were segregated from society just 40 years ago. 40 yrs – not a long time. Less than 1 generation.
I find it interesting that John McCain gets a pass for calling people “Gooks” because of his experiences in Vietnam, but a black person that calls someone “Whitey” isn’t afforded that.
Strange, imo.
yoyo muffintop on June 12th, 2008 9:14 pm
I find it interesting that John McCain gets a pass for calling people “Gooks” because of his experiences in Vietnam, but a black person that calls someone “Whitey” isn’t afforded that.
Strange, imo.
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yoyo … I do not condon the use of the racial slur “gooks”. However let us put it in perspective. McCain was referring to the guards who “personally” tortured him while he was held captive during the Vietnam War.
The BLACK POWER AND BLACK THEOLOGY of James Cones does not differentiate between “Whites” who were personally responsible for the injustices of the past and the “Whites” of this generation who do not consider race an issue. Whites are the enemy … period.
The Mission Statement of TUCC clearly states that James Cones racist, anti-American, Marxist, anti-Israel (pro-Palestian) writings are the foundation of the ministry of “TODAY”.
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McCain Criticized for Slur
Friday, February 18, 2000
Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.
“I hate the gooks,” McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. “I will hate them as long as I live.” …
“I was referring to my prison guards,” McCain said, “and I will continue to refer to them in language that might offend some people because of the beating and torture of my friends.”
McCain made it clear that his anger extends only toward his captors. As a senator, he was one of the leaders of the postwar effort to normalize U.S. relations with Vietnam.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL
Janet – doesn’t hold water.
First off James Cone was born in 1938. James Cone was legally segregated and discriminated against for at least 30 years of his life. Guess what? “Whitey” were the one’s that did that.
I find it interesting you can put McCain’s “Gooks” into perspective but you cannot put “Whitey” into perspective as well. What you are saying is McCain can call the 30 guards who mistreated his cellmates “Gooks” and that’s fine, but Cone cannot call the 500,000+ whites who mistreated him “Whitey”.
And if you think racism doesn’t still exist against blacks in the US you are sadly mistaken. Those that actively segregated and discriminated against them are still alive and they number in the millions.
And btw – McCain flip flopped again it appears – “Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday”
Feb 24, 2000 San Jose Mercury News:“I will continue to condemn those who unfairly mistreated us. But out of respect to a great number of people whom I hold in very high regard, I will no longer use the term that has caused such discomfort.
I deeply regret any pain I may have caused by my choice of words. I apologize and renounce all language that is bigoted and offensive, which is contrary to all that I represent and believe,” McCain said.”
Either he was pandering to a particular voting block with his apology that he said he would never give…or the term really didn’t just mean his captors. Or both. My vote…both.
Happy friday the 13th!
25. yoyo muffintop on June 13th, 2008 11:46 am
Janet – doesn’t hold water.
First off James Cone was born in 1938. James Cone was legally segregated and discriminated against for at least 30 years of his life. Guess what? “Whitey” were the one’s that did that.
I find it interesting you can put McCain’s “Gooks” into perspective but you cannot put “Whitey” into perspective as well. What you are saying is McCain can call the 30 guards who mistreated his cellmates “Gooks” and that’s fine, but Cone cannot call the 500,000+ whites who mistreated him “Whitey”.
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I made it very clear that I did not condon the slur “Gooks”. Hey … my husband is Japanese. However … McCain was referring to the “individuals” who tortured him throughout captivity in Vietnam.
yoyo … read James Cones BLACK POWER & BLACK THEOLOGY. ALL White people are the enemy … not just those were were responsibility for the injustices of the past.
Many “Whites” took a stand against slavery. Many “Whites” took a stand against segregation.
It was a “White man” by the name of Abraham Lincoln who declared the freedom of Blacks from “White” oppression. Many “Whites” lost their lives in this cause. Many “Whites” fought the political process to end this injustice.
It is James Cones racist, Marxist, anti-American, anti-Israel (pro-Palestinian) writings that form the mission statement of TUCC TODAY … the church where Jeremiah Wright’s rantings reflect Cones writings … the church that Barack Obama belonged to for over twenty-years … the church the Obama did not … “with sadness” … disassociate himself from until recently.
Kinda too little … too late … don’t you think.
Janet
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Transcript: Rev. Jeremiah Wright speech to National Press Club
April 28, 2008
REV. WRIGHT: … We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected. Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability …
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-wrighttranscript-04282008,0,3593201.story?page=6
yoyo … through legislation there have been many injustices in both our countries … Canada and the United States of America.
The First Nation people were forced onto reservations and … their children were taken away to residential schools where many were sexually, physically and emotionally abused.
Japanese “citizens” were interned in the Second World War in the name of “Homeland Security”. Considering that the Germans were not interned … it does appear that race was a motivating factor. Then … after all was said and done … compensation was denied for property that was confiscating as a result of unpaid taxes.
Immigrants from China and India were required to pay a head tax that was not required of immigrants from “white” countries.
However … over the years steps have been taken through the legal and political process that has assured these injustices against our own citizens are not repeated. Those who were discriminated against were and are included in the process.
There is no ideology of hate against White people as a whole by the First Nations, Japanese, Indian or Chinese. There are no organizations akin to TUCC where a racist, anti/American/Canadian agenda is furthered from the pulpit/podium.
The adherences of BLACK POWER & BLACK THEOLOGY have been deceived or … are very aware … that the racist, anti-American, anti-Israel theology of James Cone is nothing but a means of furthing a Marxist ideology.
Janet
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THE FOUNDATION OF TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST (TUCC) – BARACK OBAMA’S CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS
… “The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.”
http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm
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The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
April 2, 2008
While Black Liberation Theology is not main stream in most black churches, many pastors in Wright’s generation are burdened by (James) Cone’s categories which laid the foundation for many to embrace Marxism and a distorted self-image of the perpetual “victim.”
… In FOR MY PEOPLE, Cone explains that “the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are.”
More:
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php
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QUOTES – “BLACK POWER & BLACK THEOLOGY”
“Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants.” James Cone
“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” James Cone
“In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors … Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not.” James Cone
John McSame:
“You will hear from my opponent’s campaign in every speech, every interview, every press release that I’m running for President Bush’s third term,” McCain said recently in a speech in New Orleans. “You will hear every policy of the president described as the Bush-McCain policy. Why does Senator Obama believe it’s so important to repeat that idea over and over again? Because he knows it’s very difficult to get Americans to believe something they know is false.”
NY Times 6/8/08
John McSame on 6/19/2005 Meet the Press:
MR. RUSSERT: The fact is you are different than George Bush.
SEN. McCAIN: No. No. I-the fact is that I’m different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.
So I guess the label of “McSame” is not false after all.
28. yoyo muffintop on June 13th, 2008 3:52 pm
John McSame:
“You will hear from my opponent’s campaign …”
John McSame on 6/19/2005 Meet the Press:
MR. RUSSERT: The fact is you are different …
So I guess the label of “McSame” is not false after all.
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yoyo
Barack Obama’s name is not open to be mocked … why is John McCain?
Kind of a double standard don’t you think?
Hey … this entire election campaign has been a double standard from the getgo.
Janet
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Things You Can’t Say About Obama
May 16, 2008
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125112.guest.html
Armstrong Williams is a voice of reason and … I am sure that his words are representative of the majority of African Americans.
The followers of James Cone “BLACK POWER & BLACK THEOLOGY” refer to them as “Sellouts”. Jeremiah Wright claims in regards to these “voices of reason” in the African American community … “They just do not get it”.
Janet
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“Armstrong Williams is a widely-syndicated columnist, CEO of the Graham Williams Group, and hosts the Armstrong Williams Show.”
Sunday’s Dirty Secret
By Armstrong Williams
Monday, March 17, 2008
http://krla870.townhall.com/columnists/ArmstrongWilliams/2008/03/17/sundays_dirty_secret
SENATOR OBAMA, PLEASE LET AMERICA IN ON YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS CONCERNING THIS US JUDICIAL INJUSTICE ???
LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS ALSO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS POSSIBLE FUTURE PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????
**WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL HORROR CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????
*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED ***
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????
**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.
****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY ****
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.
This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.
This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!
Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!
For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.
It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.
This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!
***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!
A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO AND 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM. ** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !
lawyersforpooramericans@yahoo.com (424-247-2013)