Post Natalee Holloway … Parents Get the Message, Teens Unfortunately Do Not Understand Responsibility Still


There is a reason why they say youth is wasted on the young. Mainly because the youth, mainly teens just do not comprehend the complexities and in some cases the common sense of safety. In a post Aruba/Natalee Holloway world one would think that teens would learn from another’s misfortune.

What has happened to this generation of teens and their utter lack of responsibility? And for those that claim its the same from generation to generation, it is not. The You Tube Teens are out of control and seem to have no responsibility for their actions.

A message to teens and college age kids … learn from the story of Natalee Holloway who went missing in Aruba. For those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.

There was a recent Spring Break poll done by Mom•Logic Investigation: Spring Break Confessions.

It’s understandable that 70% of parents were more anxious about what would happen to their children at spring break because of the Natalee Holloway disappearance. But only about 30% of teens admitted Natalee Holloway’s story impacted decisions they made–which is truly scary.

If you liked this post, you may also like these:

  • Beth Holloway Speaks out to Teens on Safety, Faith and Hope: “I want them to remember Natalee.”
  • Beth Twitty Hopes Teens Will learn from Natalee Holloway disappearance
  • Teens on Aruba trip urged to cooperate in the Natalee Holloway Investigation
  • Natalee Holloway: Dave Holloway and Peter R. De Vries Discussing the Joran Tapes on Nancy Grace
  • Geoffrey van Cromvoirt to be Held for 8 Days in Connection with Natalee Holloway Disappearance

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    149 Responses to “Post Natalee Holloway … Parents Get the Message, Teens Unfortunately Do Not Understand Responsibility Still”

    1. Susan on April 22nd, 2008 10:53 am

      Learning responsibility begins at home. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying or would never say Beth and Dave were bad parents. I’m sure they are both wonderful parents :-)

      Like Beth, I too hope that teens will remember and learn from Natalee’s tragic disappearance…



    2. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 11:06 am

      Parents have become way to permissive and they feel under pressure because other kids are allowed to go..but where are your priorities….doesn’t the safety of your child always come first..can’t you say no….who started all this spring break nonsense…parents that didn’t really give a hoot…take a vacation on spring break but travel as a family….these are very young people out on their own with no parental guidance…makes no sense…parents cannot be naive enough to believe that something isn’t going to happen to them….I blame the parents…kids are not wise enough to know it will never happen to them….but then it does…a hard lesson to learn…one than could avoided at a young age…

      Dave didn’t want Natalee to go Aruba but she put enough peer pressure on that he said OK…Beth though it was safe….Aruba advertises how safe the island is but look what happened…Natalee had a good head on her shoulders and I think that helped with the decision….but no matter how much you think you child will be careful there is always someone in the corridors..

      I think we need to get rid of spring break…!!!!
      For those parents that think it is a reward for achieving good grades there are many other things you can do….but personal achievement is part of someone’s character…some that go are probably funkies because they have wealthy families…

    3. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 11:35 am

      Young and innocent was Natalee…I got into what I thought was a cab and Joran said he was staying at the same hotel…..he took her out in front and she saw how hard it was to get a cab so he offered her a ride….have done it 20 times before….

    4. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 12:04 pm

      The Kalpoes and Joran know what they did to Natalee…Deepak and his sex mobile… he got rid of that didn’t he….they are all guilty…Paulus has control over the Kalpoes..they were out for only reason that night as before…drug, rape and this time it was murder….

    5. Miss-Underestimated on April 22nd, 2008 12:09 pm

      Most teens feel somethings can’t happen to them. I think alot of that is just plain youth. They think they are immortal, unless sometimes happens to someone they knew well.

    6. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 12:16 pm

      It’s obvious Joran is mental but he still needs to pay for his crime…..indeed!!!! If
      Stratten hadn’t of gotten involved maybe we would have our answers…put him on the stand…

    7. elisabeth on April 22nd, 2008 12:25 pm

      Peter de Vries just disclosed on Dutch TV that JVDS is partying in Thailand, especially with American tourists, the psychiatric hospital was apparently a ruse.

    8. Jasper on April 22nd, 2008 12:32 pm

      What is the news, Jasper ?,1

      Joran stole 6000 euro, (roughly 10,000 dolar with the current exchange rate) while partying in Thailand ! And here the real good line : he is having fun with American female tourists, who wants to get on the picture with him.

      Case closed.

    9. qwerty on April 22nd, 2008 12:52 pm

      Joran is now partying with American toerists in Thailand.
      Boycot Thailand!

    10. kaye on April 22nd, 2008 1:20 pm

      FYI……..Beth Holloway Speaks at FSU Panama City
      A FSU Panama City is no stranger to the Natalee Holloway case. The underwater crime scene investigation team went to Aruba twice as a group to help with the search for Natalee.

      “We were hoping to bring some closure for her and her family members. Unfortunately we weren’t able to find her in those areas, but it makes us feel really good that she feels we contributed to the investigation,” said Tom Kelley, director for the Underwater Crime Scene Investigation Team.

      The most recent development in the case came in February when Dutch student Joran Van Der Sloot admitted on hidden camera to his involvement in Natalee’s disappearance. However, a judge denied an arrest warrant, saying the tape was inconsistent with prior evidence.

      “We suspected this all along and known that it was too late for Natalee for a long time, but it just gives you that validation for the fight and not really closure, but it’s some kind of peace, at least, knowing what happened to your loved one,” said Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother.

      Now Beth Holloway is on a mission to spread awareness about safer travel abroad. She recently published a book, Loving Natalee, that details her painful journey, and the message is sinking in.

      FSU students say they will think twice after hearing her words.

      “I followed this story, just like so many other people, and it impacted me so much because I feel like me and Natalee were really alike and she’s just like any American girl. I think so many kids think they’re invincible and nothing can happen to them. They need to know they need to be on guard every minute because you never know what can happen,” said Kristin Brookins, an FSU Panama City student.

      A second session with Beth Holloway took place Thursday evening at the FSU Panama City campus auditorium. The school’s Underwater Crime Scene Investigation Team presented findings from the Aruba trips.

      ( i’m sure everyone is waiting to hear what the school’s underwater crime scene investigation teams found)

      GO BETH!!!!!

    11. Cherry Simpson on April 22nd, 2008 1:51 pm

      We all need to be more aware of the danger’s around us and our children. It’s good ScaredMonkey’s has tried to educate the public on exactly that.
      And thank you Beth Holloway for helping others. You have set an example for all parents. It has helped many and much more than you’ll ever know.
      Your fearless faith friend, Cherry

    12. Miss-Underestimated on April 22nd, 2008 2:17 pm

      Hey, wasn’t Mr. Pink from Thailand?
      SM: No, you are thinking of Martin van den Berg. Mr. Pink is from Michigan and is back in the states now at last check (klaasend)

    13. kaye on April 22nd, 2008 2:23 pm

      the article #9 refers to is on detelegraf website…..if you cut/paste to babelfish and translate, it’s hard to follow but apparently he is in thailand and apparently he has swindled some money from someone he knows……

      interesting. what say our dutch friends here at SM?

    14. txchic on April 22nd, 2008 2:32 pm

      remember that old creepy perv that was listed as a friend of joran’s on his tickle space? interesting that he ended up there…

      teens have always thought they were invincible. it’s a wonder i reached adulthood! unfortunately we now have a dramatic decline in morality & plain acceptable social behavior. while nat seemed to be from a loving & moral home it didn’t save her from the monsters that were raised without that.

      it’s a sad world when we have to teach our children to distrust everyone.

    15. too funny on April 22nd, 2008 2:53 pm

      Joran has stolen money from a man…a man that has a picture album of nothing but Joran….has a picture of Joran hanging from his wall….well Anita…once again, your sporter proves you wrong. what was it you said? he’s such an angel? no…he’s a liar, a thief, perhaps a murderer and now this? You better pay that man back or he’s going to get some sporter booty for a loooong time. Nice kid you got there, Anita.

    16. Carpe on April 22nd, 2008 2:53 pm

      I think the best thing someone could do for
      Joran and his family is to hunt the li’l sonofabish down, and shoot him right
      between the eyes.

      He’s a complete & total misery.

    17. Richard on April 22nd, 2008 3:01 pm

      Joran in Thailand? Is this for real? He had checked himself into the asylum, so I understand that he could check himself out … but this is beyond belief.

      Story out today: a former Olympic ice skater was given a date-rape drug while at a business meeting in a California hotel earlier this month. But she wasn’t harmed, apparently.

      As for this “poll,” remember that lots of polls don’t mean diddly-squat. It may or may not have been scientifically constructed, and may have covered just 20 people or so.

      This stuff about Joran in Thailand is beyond belief, if true.

    18. Minky from CH on April 22nd, 2008 3:33 pm

      somebody tell me.
      Don’t the have the death penalty for drug posession in Thailand?
      Would be great!

    19. yoyo muffintop on April 22nd, 2008 3:48 pm

      Brie says:
      “Parents have become way to permissive and they feel under pressure because other kids are allowed to go..but where are your priorities….doesn’t the safety of your child always come first..can’t you say no….who started all this spring break nonsense…parents that didn’t really give a hoot…take a vacation on spring break but travel as a family….these are very young people out on their own with no parental guidance…makes no sense…parents cannot be naive enough to believe that something isn’t going to happen to them….I blame the parents…kids are not wise enough to know it will never happen to them….but then it does…a hard lesson to learn…one than could avoided at a young age…”

      Brie blames Natalee’s parents. Brie says:
      “I blame the parents…kids are not wise enough to know it will never happen to them….but then it does…a hard lesson to learn…”

      First your blatant racism. Now you are blaming Natalee’s parents.
      You might want to stop posting so much – eventually it all comes out.

      Carpe…it’s not Jorans fault…it’s Natalee’s parents’…Just ask Brie.

    20. Carpe on April 22nd, 2008 3:57 pm
    21. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 4:13 pm


      That shape-goat Joran seems to have learned lessons at Clousseau’s high school. The guy has nine lives!

    22. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 4:36 pm

      Joran in Thailand….what is he doing riding elephants thru the jungle….how in world did he get to Thailand and how did he manage to steal $9,595 from someone….if so there is a civil suit waiting for him in the Netherlands, serve him his sentence and extradite him to the Netherlands….Paulus is so covering up and helping because he doesn’t want Joran under oath…how long is this going to go on…we all know he is guilty…call “Dog”, get his ass back to Holland where he needs to face the judge under oath….

    23. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 4:48 pm

      Paulus and Anita are behind this, how did Joran get any money to manage a trip to Thailand…apparently the mental institution didn’t help Joran…that was a big farce….this kid is completely out of control….who would Joran know in Thailand and how would he manage to steal almost $10,000 dollars…something is wrong with this story….

    24. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm

      YOYO…you misinterpreted what I said as usual….I don’t blame Beth and Dave, it is not LoL…..the island describes itself as safe….and that is what they believed only to find out differently…there are lessons to be learned…..but they loved her so much I do not think they thought she would be in any danger…not until Joran showed up!!!! Natalee was not on spring break….

      YoYo….you are like a termite….

    25. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 5:05 pm

      You know, why do I always have the feeling that he plays with us all ’cause he knows that Natalee after all perhaps isn’t dead at all?
      I’m afraid so…

    26. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm

      Herman, Im curious about you….you always hint like you know more than youre saying…cmon, you can tell us….were friends…

    27. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm

      YoYo….you just love to cause trouble and have been doing it for along time….I think you are some kind of a pervert out there just waiting for a victim….it is so ugly when you post…you are disgusting with your comments….and they are not true….I would tend to think you are a Sloot!!!!!

    28. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 5:28 pm

      Herman, where did you say you lived???

    29. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 5:29 pm

      If Joran wasn’t running around loose and uncontrolled by his parents and given a line of credit at the casino and a free pass to C& C’s, Natalee would still be here…she used her head and stayed with her friends the entire time until Joran showed up with the intentions of raping and drugging someone…Natalee trusted him because he made her feel that way…..he’s a liar and and an actor that has done it 20 twenty times before or more…

    30. kiltie65 on April 22nd, 2008 5:47 pm

      Just a few days back it was reported on Gretawire that Paulus, Anita and Joran were spotted laughing and gleeful and checking into the Shilla Hotel in Japan (forget where, but could check back). Probably the whole “fam damily” is vacationing in the Orient. Klaasend said the sighting was probably incorrect. and if not could have been the middle brother since Joran was in the asylum. Evidently the Canadian who reported to Gretawire was spot on. How does the Netherlands square the fact of Joran being able to use his passport to leave the country when he is under subpoena to appear???

    31. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 6:01 pm

      the teens where I live stand out on main streets in tiny bikins for car washes….my mom would have beat me if I did that…..

    32. misskatie on April 22nd, 2008 6:06 pm

      alway 1

      herman lives in holland and if you go to you tube he has songs there he sings
      he seems innocent and not very informed .. he used to email me and said natalee was alive because some girl told him… he is naive to alot of info .. go to you tube and see his songs
      here check it out

      You can start on page 13 Natalee holloway hermanvandijk

    33. kiltie65 on April 22nd, 2008 6:08 pm

      #30. Correction, the Van der Sloots were seen checking in that hotel in Seoul.

    34. misskatie on April 22nd, 2008 6:14 pm

      last week it was patti and brie and me

      geez I am a poet and didnt know it!! LOL

      my point is .that….. you must be very unhappy even with yourself.IT MUST SUCK 2BU. you constantly try to spread negative vibes to every poster here..
      you know what it is… J.E.A.L.O.U.S.Y INSECURITY… INMATURITY.. and a little MENTAL…

      why come here and take the attention off the main subject… NATALEE..and try to put it on you.. grow up..

      GET A LIFE…


    35. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 6:22 pm

      Hello Aalways 1,

      Yes, we’re friends. I live in Wageningen in the province Gelderland and of course in The Netherlands. Believe me: I don’t know al those headpersons personal and I think I never will: because of their … let’s try this: can you imagine Natalee on the sand, free and happy? And there they come: that many tourists untill the tourists of today… fighting to sit close beside Natalee and her world. Lóók carefully at those who want to be near her. What do you see?
      Who really wants to make Natalee serious happy?
      Think at this: perhaps she’s somewhere reading our words, thinking about a new time… but with whom?
      You know: I think Joran has found his Nel-cart in the game…
      And of course: he’s not gonna tell you whatever he knows about Natalees thoughts etc.
      You see, he’s just playing and he knows that no one will listen to the real story that I think he knows: he only thinks… the world wants to be joked in a drama atmospere.
      He’s living a life of the always lying 007 Roger Moore: a movie!

    36. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 6:37 pm

      Forgive me Herman, it is 81 degrees in my house and Im getting cranky….

    37. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 6:44 pm

      #33..where is Seoul.?

    38. yoyo muffintop on April 22nd, 2008 6:46 pm

      Brie – I didn’t misinterpret anything. That is exactly what you said.

      To quote you again: “parents cannot be naive enough to believe that something isn’t going to happen to them….I blame the parents…”

      Your words, not mine.

      But maybe you only meant that for black parents.

    39. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 7:01 pm

      YoYo, Im surprised Klassend even let that pass..why do you do that???? we are here for the same reason…..

    40. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 7:06 pm

      Brie, Seoul is in Korea

    41. misskatie on April 22nd, 2008 7:11 pm


    42. misskatie on April 22nd, 2008 7:12 pm

      HI HERMAN!!
      how are u my friend?

    43. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 7:35 pm

      Hello Katie,

      Well, it’s funny sittin’here in the middle of the night thinking:” After Midnight… we’ll let all hang down” (GG Cale). It might have been 3:27 am. It’s to hut: no one can sleep tonight. But you haven’t dinnerd I suppose.
      Such a night as this keeps me a lot of memories. Good memories! We all need that in our friendship to hold the right way.
      Can you believe I wrote twenty years ago the song of moses?
      Notabene to the buma/stemra.
      The secret is that you cann’t write etc.
      But all the pages , the whole music is laying a few feet beside me in another room.
      You see: I always see… diiferent? I’m left and right. Stuped eh?

    44. waterboy (Jerry) on April 22nd, 2008 7:48 pm

      always 1,

      Could you post a link to the April 25, 07 article? I can’t seem to get there.



    45. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 7:51 pm

      Scared Monkeys…sometimes it would be nice if you had a cartoon or two to handle all the depression that we deal with….Thanks!!!

    46. born_sometime on April 22nd, 2008 7:59 pm

      Yepp .. i’ve just come back from sxm and aruba..carlos & charlies is senor frogs now..and ive been to bliss in sxm… both places full off drunk teens hanging al over any guy that gives them some attention… i guess its a lost cause..

    47. Carpe on April 22nd, 2008 8:04 pm


      Hey Herman,

      That metal plate in your head is setting off

      the microwave again!

      I LURVE you,

      ya big shape-goat,


    48. Carpe on April 22nd, 2008 8:09 pm

      Justice 4 Natalee

    49. waterboy (Jerry) on April 22nd, 2008 8:19 pm

      I don’t know if any of you followed the story about Joanna Rogers. She was an apparently innocent 16-year-old that disappeared in Lubbock in 04.

      She has hair the same color as my son’s, so I started following the case right away. They found her body in a landfill in 2006.

      Read the links, and it will make your blood boil. If you read carefully, you will see that the guy who killed her also killed another young lady and put her in a garbage container to be taken to the landfill.

      What I would like for everyone to notice is how similar the suspect in this case is to Joran. His dad is a lawyer; he is a drug addict and an alcoholic. In one of the post, a girl talks about how he raped 3 of her girl friends in high school (sound like anyone we know?).

      Everyone knows that I feel that Natalee’s body is in the landfill. I’m not trying to convince anyone.

      If Joran is so very close personality wise to this creep, how much do they think alike?


    50. Richard on April 22nd, 2008 8:24 pm

      I’ve done a news search under Joran van der Sloot in Yahoo News, and find nothing about him.

      One imagines this news would be reported posthaste if it were true.

      I’ll check the Thai papers on the Internet.

      If this report IS true, it makes the Dutch look Godalmighty foolish … not for the first time.

      So where would the money for this round-the-world jaunt come from? PvdS’s drug/porno connections?

      This story just seems too bizarre to believe … but then again, look at how events have moved for the last three years.

    51. yoyo muffintop on April 22nd, 2008 8:31 pm

      #41 misskatie:
      That’s pretty funny…especially coming from you.
      You and your alter-ego Brie (or is it the other way around) posted 40 out of the 75 posts on the last Aruba discussion (Aruba public workers) 1 day ago.

      Now…who’s craving attention? haha.

    52. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 8:37 pm

      First Hand

      A heartbreak in silhouet
      Those shadows…
      I can smell the smoke
      … of you’re sigaret
      That talking wall reminds me
      … now and then.
      You’re that flame
      who burns every night
      Are we all feeling the same?
      Then Natalee
      … it ‘ll come all right.
      All those tears will dry
      … in you’re heavenly sunlight.

    53. misskatie on April 22nd, 2008 8:37 pm

      lol carpe
      poor herman
      he mumbles a lil huh go to you tube and see why
      his collection of bottles lol

    54. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 8:41 pm

      ….#38,….get a life…it’s obvious your piped up….

    55. yoyo muffintop on April 22nd, 2008 8:49 pm

      waterboy – Summer’s body was found in January 2006 and there was evidence that traced directly back to Rodriguez and he was immediately made the primary suspect…but he wasn’t arrested until September 15th?
      And his trial just started in April 2008, 2+ years after the crime?

      So 9 months to arrest him and 2+ years to take him to trial. A cold blooded murderer was let to walk free among us in the USA…I guess Aruba and/or the Netherlands is on pace to how we do it in the USA.
      You know where I’m going with this…

    56. brie. on April 22nd, 2008 9:06 pm

      Oh, I need a break this is to depressing…

    57. Bob on April 22nd, 2008 9:29 pm

      In Thailand? They say in Thailand, a man can be found after several days lying face down in a muddy ditch for a mere $5. Now there’s a bargain.

    58. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 9:34 pm

      Old Bottle Take Effect…

      And she gets you on her wavelenght
      While Susan takes her mirror
      And you want to travel with
      And you want to travel blind
      While Susan takes you down
      To her place by the river
      … holds you’re mind

    59. waterboy (Jerry) on April 22nd, 2008 9:36 pm

      To yoyo muffintop,


      It evades me. Enlighten me.


    60. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 9:41 pm

      Hello Beth,

      Dear Friend… I can see you.
      And I like you
      It’s a gift of God.
      Find her!

    61. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 9:49 pm

      waterboy, im still working on the crypt thing for you…you blew my mind when you said the girls hair was the same color as your sons…..I dont know what to say when men talk like that….

    62. Herman on April 22nd, 2008 9:56 pm

      Good night to you all
      … till we meet again

    63. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 10:05 pm

      waterboy, 1006 is the one who talks about the crypts belonging to wever and oduber and he refers to

    64. always 1 on April 22nd, 2008 10:37 pm

      does anyone know if ttownmike is still around?

    65. crossbow on April 22nd, 2008 10:52 pm

      49 waterboy:
      Look closly at this foto. It was posted March 2005. In 2006 what I think you saw; it was gone.
      It ties inwith your post nicely.

      63 always 1: those were the ones that I mentioned that were broken into in I believe January 06.

    66. crossbow on April 22nd, 2008 11:00 pm

      Actually I don’t want anything to happen to Joran…………..yet
      Not until after he tells us what he did to Natalee and where she is or where her remains can be located.
      Afterwards;; well that is another story now isn’t it?

    67. waterboy (Jerry) on April 22nd, 2008 11:34 pm

      always 1,

      It’s a redheaded thing. Redheads always take up for each other. They notice each other from a mile away, and they always greet each other. They are instant friends. My son has always referred to his hair as his lucky charm.

      I’m not redheaded, and neither is my wife, but we both come from Irish descent.


    68. waterboy (Jerry) on April 22nd, 2008 11:37 pm


      The lighthouse. I think you see the little house. You mentioned it before, but I thought you were mistaken.

      That is more what I would expect a light keeper’s house to look like.

      I see some other things also. What do you see?


    69. Vicki on April 23rd, 2008 3:56 am

      Crossbow, Are these the rocks that were painted?? Is this house vacant or is it the restuarant???

    70. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 4:40 am

      At the bottom of the photo is an open trash container; It would appear to be a 40 yard open container.

    71. Miss-Underestimated on April 23rd, 2008 4:51 am

      Klaas thanks for the correcting me. Has there been any confirmation on Joran in Thailand? or was this something from Patrick?

    72. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 5:20 am

      The painted rocks are up at the next turn in the road.
      This area in the photo is a parking area at Arishi Beach and the water is less than 50 yards from this drainage ditch.

    73. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 5:39 am

      Here is a good site for aerials of the lighthouse.

    74. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 6:26 am

      @ 17 Richard, apparently, Joran was never in the mental hospital at all but partying in Thailand and Hong Kong. Peter R. de Vries claims he knew this all along.

      @ 22 Brie, it is not possible to have someone extradited for a civil suit. Should Beth win the suit (which I – as a lawyer – highly doubt), she may only be awarded some financial compensation. This compensation will be difficult to claim though because Joran does not have/earn any money.
      And no, it cannot be claimed from his parents in stead.

      Furthermore on the general subject; just because of 1 dissapearance, Aruba did not become an unsafe place. And Natalee was 18 so could decide herself where she wanted to go.

      As I understand it, Mexico is in the top 10 of spring break destinations for Americans. You all must be aware of the fact that in Mexico, hundreds of women are gone missing or murdered every year without the police of governemnt doing anything about it.

      Boycott Mexico! :-)

    75. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 6:32 am

      I don’t seem to be able to post a link to the website of the usa amnesty international department with this story

    76. guajiri on April 23rd, 2008 6:36 am

      Minky #18
      You can only get the death penalty for drug
      trafficking here in Thailand. If the amount you
      are caught with is small enough you may even get
      off with only a fine.

      Bob #57
      $5 for a hit ? It will cost you at least $15.000
      depending of the target. The more prominent the
      target the higher the price.

    77. guajiri on April 23rd, 2008 6:38 am

      Sorry, I meant “depending on the target”

    78. guajiri on April 23rd, 2008 6:52 am

      After reading I realized I made another mistake
      it should be 1500 instead of 15000 dollars

    79. Richard on April 23rd, 2008 8:35 am

      I’ve still found no report in the mainstream media about Joran being in Thailand … or anywhere else.

    80. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 8:50 am

      #74…Beth is not after the money she’s after the truth…where is the article that says Joran was in Hong Kong and Peter knew this all along….translate into English please…the civil suit isn’t just against Joran, it’s the whole Sloot family and the Kalpoes…and no Aruba is not safe when you have a group of pimps that premediate what they are going to do to the American girls on their last night on the island…ask Hans Mos…they stalk and drug and rape them….that is not called safety….

    81. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 9:13 am

      #74…..if you are a lawyer then you should be able to get your facts straight….who’s lawyer, Joran’s….he has got a rope around his neck…and don’t say Natalee was 18 and could make a choice…..when you have been given a date-rape drug….she was fine for almost the entire vacation until Joran showed up illegally….there is no defense for Joran…it never would of happened if he hadn’t of been where he wasn’t suppose to be….Paulus covered up with the help of Straaten because he knew at age 17 he was still responsible for his actions….again, don’t blame Natalee…!!!!

    82. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 9:13 am

      the last link is a video from a dutch news show yesterday. Peter de Vries is also present.

      The bottom line is that apparently, Joran is partying in Thailand and was in the mean time chatting with some guy he met through Hyves. At one point, de guy asked “I thought you were admitted in a mental hospital” to which Joran replied “haha I fooled everyone”.

      Joran later told this man that he was being black mailed by the Thai cops because he had some soft drugs on him. He claimed that he had to pay this cop off. So the guy transferred 1000 euro’s to Joran and later gave him his online banking data. After that Joran took another 1500 euro’s from the account of this man.

      Peter de Vries says in the video that he already knew that Joran wasn’t in a hospital but in Asia.

    83. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 9:34 am

      @ brie

      I know Beth is not after the money and I too hope the truth will come out eventually.

      However, the civil suit is definitely not against the whole vd sloot family and the kalpoes because they are living in Aruba. I’m not aware of a civil suit in Aruba. Only in the Netherlands against Joran.

      I don’t know where you got this but imo there is no prove at all that on Aruba there is a group of pimps stalking/drugging/raping US girls. Please provide me the relevant links and translate them in Dutch ;-)

    84. too funny on April 23rd, 2008 9:35 am

      so how is Joran going to pay for the 6K euro he stole from his “friend”? Is he going to be that “man’s” love puppet to work out his debt? what outstanding people these Van der Sloots.

    85. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 9:44 am

      take your yoyo and mosey on down the road and piece and go break bread with ester you seem to share the same personality or are you one in the same…

      none the less go….
      attention seeking is a sign of insecurity

      besides joran can use some one to visit him that is on his same wave length…

    86. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 10:04 am

      #83…..The information came from Scared Monkeys…the civil suit has been filed in the Netherlands with Bram…I think there is a huge communication gap… read your newspaper and listen to your news…you will need to research the articles…I cannot translate to you in Dutch but it is obvious that you can speak English…so why put up the barrier….!!!Do your homework….!!!!

    87. Richard on April 23rd, 2008 10:20 am

      If these Dutch links are accurate … what does this say about Peter deVries? That he knew the asylum story was false all the time? Did he ever bring this to anyone’s attention?

      At this point, nothing would seem impossible. We do have to remember that (at least according to what I understand) Joran checked himself into the asylum … I had thought that his presence there was confirmed! And that he had been served with papers in the lawsuit there. But if he checked in voluntarily, he could leave at will, I believe.

      So now the assertion is made that he was never there at all. Seems too preposterous to me for belief … but if it is true, and if deVries knew about it and no public comment was made, his status sinks to the bottom. And Patrick’s too.

    88. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 10:25 am

      #83…we have no reason in the world to want to speak Dutch…but you do because of tourists and it it is taught in your schools…I personally think the Dutch are fine people…but you are not one of them……if you are truly a lawyer I think you would rank at the bottom and be a total embarrassment to the people of Holland…..

    89. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 10:34 am

      Sorry. meant to say but you do and because of tourists you do speak English….

    90. kaye on April 23rd, 2008 10:35 am

      #82 amsterdam…….very interesting to read some of the reactions of the readers of those newswires. particularly this one which i tried to translate best i could from babelfish. dutch is hard to translate but this particular reader was interesting. perhaps you can “clean it up a bit” in English.

    91. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 11:52 am

      @ Brie,

      I do not blame Natalee. Nobody deserves this of course. And I’m not blaming Beth either.

      However, the things you present as facts (such as your statement Natalee has been drugged or raped) are speculations or assumptions at best. There is no prove whatsoever.

      I also think that Joran was involved in the dissapearance of Natalee. And if that’s the truth, he should be punished for it. However, it amazes me how hypocrite some of you here are.

      Not that it matters with respect to the responsibility of Joran but it is a fact (as class mates testified) that Natalee is not as innocent as you would like to portray her.

      And again, that doesn’t make it in any way her fault what happened to her but she was drinking heavily all week, from early morning on including strong liquor. She was partying like young adults do and voluntarily got in the car with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. She was totally capable of communicating and moving so she wasn’t drugged at that time.

      It would be nice if everyone tries at least to be a little bit objective.

      And get YOUR facts straight. At the age of 17, the parents of Joran were no longer responsible for his actions.

    92. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 12:27 pm

      what is wrong with this picture
      the sloots
      idiot son is running out of control…. stealing and continuing to target american girls…

    93. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 1:51 pm

      @ Kaye,

      if you send me the post in Dutch (or provide me with the link) I will translate it correctly (because it doesn’t make much sense to me now due to babelfish)

    94. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 1:54 pm

      Amsterdam 91
      Go here and ask yourself how Dompig developed his theory. Watch how his eyes roll in their sockets everytime he lies.
      Ask yourself how van der Straaten knows Natalee is dead and ask yourself what kind of evidence lead him to that conclussion.
      Read Beths book and ask yourself; “did Jorge Pasquere lie to Beth when he told her Natalee’s disappearance was a goverment coverup or did someone finally tell the truth.
      Once you are satisfied with your answers;
      then you may come back to post more trash.

    95. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 1:56 pm

      @ Brie,

      Naturally, I don’t expect you to speak Dutch. Don’t worry. That’s why I put the smiley.

      It was a joke because you on one hand want me to translate internet articles but on the other hand, you won’t listen to my arguments and apparently for reasons I don’t know think that I “rank at the bottom and be a total embarresment to the people of Holland”..

    96. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 2:08 pm

      @ 94

      yeah yeah, facts/prove/theories…I give up. For the 100st time; I’m not defending Joran or anyone who had anything to do with the dissapearance of Natalee or with the way this case was handled (cover up or not).

      anyway..with reference to my post #74: Boycott Mexico

    97. Maggie on April 23rd, 2008 2:15 pm


      Please show us where Natalee went voluntarily with these 3 and/or wasn’t drugged. Did she think it was a taxi? After all, Joran lied about his age and said he was a soccer player from Holland. In his book he brags about telling girls he was from Holland. The problem with the Kalpoes and Sloots story is, one minute they have her acting normal, then drunk and crazy, then normal, then drunk..and crazy.. Sorry it don’t happen that way. If Natalee had drank all they say, her blood alcohol content would be to the point of needing help walking, slurred speech, confusion. Your own statement says she was drinking from early morning on..heavily. One does not start out drinking heavily early morning and then walk straight and know what they are doing 20 hours later. I’ve drank on vacation, does that make me any less innocent if a predator moves in on me? The only one who has said she went voluntarily is the 3 who have lied over and over. The night Natalee disappeared seemed like business as usual for the 3.

      Sloot has been on a pr tour for almost 3 years acting like a loose cannon, while Anita is saying he hates the media. Sounds like Drew Peterson.

      Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager’s disappearance on May 30, 2005.

      In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

      The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

      New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

      Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects behind bars.
      In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.

      Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

      But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway’s death or how she died. “If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now,” Mos said.

      Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

      The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect — whom Mos did not name — told her that “he didn’t want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn’t be discussed over the phone,” he said.

      Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities. A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited “very peculiar behavior” the day after Holloway’s disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

      A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

    98. Amsterdam 020 on April 23rd, 2008 2:15 pm

      And Brie, regarding the civil suit:
      the suit is against Joran only however, his family, Patrick van der Eem and others are summoned before court to testify under oath. Beth is only holding Joran liable.

      sigh…I’m going to bed.

    99. Maggie on April 23rd, 2008 2:21 pm

      Heres another paragraph from a mos interview

      The first survey also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. “We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Obviously we’ve tried to make her declaration, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran,” said detective.

    100. Minky from CH on April 23rd, 2008 3:42 pm

      #76 guajiri
      Thanks for your informative answer, very kind of you.

      #91 Amsterdam
      “And get YOUR facts straight. At the age of 17, the parents of Joran were no longer responsible for his actions.”

      As a lawyer, can you please tell me, when a person is concidered as an adult in Aruba and also in The Nederlands.
      Would be very interesting to know.
      Thanks in advance.

    101. crossbow on April 23rd, 2008 3:59 pm

      you certainly do have a slanted point of view;
      they way you present yourself.

    102. kiltie65 on April 23rd, 2008 4:43 pm

      #88 – I appreciate Amsterdam’s input. Brie, my love, the ones who are the bottom feeders and a total embarrassment to the Netherlands are Joran Van der Sloot and family. It’s a hell of a way for the Netherlands to be recognized…to be associated with these slime, and truly unfortunate, because they are certainly not atypical of the Dutch. I think Aruba will eventually get rid of the Van der Sloots, but the Netherlands, being the homeland, can’t turn them away…let’s hope they can “put them away”.

    103. Minky from CH on April 23rd, 2008 5:29 pm

      # 96 Amsterdam
      “yeah yeah, facts/prove/theories…I give up. For the 100st time; I’m not defending Joran or anyone who had anything to do with the dissapearance of Natalee or with the way this case was handled (cover up or not)”

      Don’t go to sleep before answering my question. I should be already in bed, it’s 01.30.

      I encourage you, don’t give up, please just tell, what are you defending?
      Don’t get stressed.

      I’m still waiting for your kind answer.

      I really would like to know from an expert like you, if the parents of a 17 year old are responsible or not, in Aruba or The Netherlands for his actions, according to the law.

      Here my question again:
      What is the age concidered as an adult in Aruba or The Netherlands, according to the law.
      They way I see it, for a lawyer, it should be a piece of cake to answer.

      I know, there are different ages, let’s say for alcohol, gambling, religion, voting etc.
      Please just specify, according to my question.

      Thanks again and have a good night sleep.

    104. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 6:15 pm

      Joran vanderslut is a walking time bomb!!!
      he takes no advice even from his own parents!!
      he does as he pleases he is a loose cannon…
      his life of crime and pedaphilia is not over.. he thinks he is above the law..
      he and his sweatt hogg dad..have given aruba a bad name….


      and as far as aruban officials ARE CONCERNED
      they made their bed
      now they are having in lay in it

      how many times does poop have to hit the fan before they wake up up?
      their laws
      their mentality
      and their reasoning
      suck biggtime…
      that idiot sloot son is in full party mode..
      stealing from others..targeting other american girls …. and as usual he continues to excuses for his actions…
      arent his parents embarassed that they gave birth to him.. he is defective … broken.. out of order..
      they all need to be exterminated…
      the world would be better off
      the whole sloot family is SOCIOPATH MATERIAL!!!!

    105. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 7:46 pm

      misskatie….your funny again….you make me laugh…defective…broken…out of order, yes he certainly is all those things…and he can’t be repaired….

      So Joran might be in Thailand, what is on some world vacation….and he was in Hong Kong, yeah pulling a ricashaw…naw, that is too much like work…and don’t they cut your fingers off over there if your caught stealing….well now, Paulus isn’t around to protect him and Joran can’t keep himself out of trouble…other countries are not like Aruba but Joran is too mental to know the difference….he’s going to get into big trouble…but for the time being is he making porno’s for Mr.Pink or Freddy….I can see him in his little apartment preparing the date-rape drug….I hope he is busted big time…

      Who is feeding the press all this information about Joran not being in a mental institution…that is if it’s true…this is just like the investigation, more lies and more lies….very typical of the Sloot’s!!!

      Paulus and Anita are funding this sociopath knowing he is dangerous and trying to avoid the civil suit because they don’t want to be questioned under oath….why because they know they are guilty and so do we….you don’t run if you have nothing to hide….

    106. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 8:53 pm

      that fool has been on vacation out to lunch out to tea ever since he was yanked out of his mothers womb.. the doctor should have done us all a favor by choking him with his own unbilical cord lol
      as much as he steals and has stolen from his parents and others.. he would have no fingers just knubs.. that is if they had to cut his fingers off for stealing….

      and if there was a country that would actualy cut your tongue off for lying..why hell
      he would be in a mess.. no tongue no talk no fingers no can do sign language… what next what other body part should they remove or could they remove!!
      surely not his back bone.. because we all know he ws born without one.. took after his idiot parents…..
      and maybe if they would of casterated him as soon as he was born than all girls would be safe.. especialy americans.. no pee pee no cooochie

      but than the fool would figure out how to use his feet to smoke pot or even hold a drink…

      let alone him trying to mix chemicals to make drugs..
      hell probably would go up in smoke … probably couldnt do that right either…

      he needs to stay away from american girls
      if he is that desperate
      he needs to seek the company of hoochie mama’s

      but than thats no challenge to him…

      he is pitiful…

      what he needs is for someone to pull a lorena bobbit.. and throw that thing in a bag and take it out to sea.. let the sharks eat it…

    107. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 8:54 pm

      Who if funding this pervert, the same person that allowed him to have his porno site, the same person that sent him off to college with pornos and a cd player to keep him awake in class…none other than Paulus….he’s suppose to be parent..nope a male whore too…and Anita says my son doesn’t drink, gamble or do drugs….do you live in the closet???

      So this is maybe a complete smoke screen about Joran in Hong Kong and Thailand….paid advertisement by the Sloot’s…..what is he doing riding Kangaroos in Thailand or pulling a ricashaw in Hong Kong….none of you want to show up for the civil suit because you are guilty……you don’t run if you have nothing to hide….

    108. viet vet on April 23rd, 2008 9:02 pm

      Let’s look at the big picture Aruba and Netherlands,,,,Joran and the brothers made a mistake that cost us Natalee. They are not much than children, but the coverup was done by adults. It is very easy to see what happened, just no one wants to fess up. Someone in Aruba needs to come clean and really tell it like it is/was. I was there from day one and it was very evident of a coverup, not just for money but also for protection of tourism…The end result will be a loss of tourism and how can they just stand back and watch things fall apart. Joran was not as sick then as he is now, the ALE and Aruba have destroyed Joran. He is now not capable of carrying on a meaningful life. Natalee was destroyed and so will Joran and the Kalpoe’s be destroyed. Speak up boys, the people who say they protect you are only destroying you. Someone needs to come forth and eventually they will,,,just when.

    109. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 9:24 pm

      misskatie…That was truly hilarious…I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time…I loved it…I need to read it again several times….it felt so good…that was a classic….thanks for all the laughs…!!!!!

    110. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:08 pm

      lol brie
      your so welcome
      and its free
      how bout that
      sometimes I come here and read some of the stuff you write and nearly fall off my seat laughing… I am gonna need some depends if this keeps up lol
      I want some with lil hearts…

    111. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 10:11 pm

      Straaten is responsible for destroying Joran….he is responsible for the cover-up….I cannot do this to my friends son…let alone being his godfather….he’s a kid in big time trouble….you masters to be are rotten…

    112. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:21 pm

      hell brie!
      we all need a good laugh once in a while to make it through some of the dumb inept things those those aruban idiots … say..n do…

      just when I think that I have heard it all.. they do something more idiotic and stupider…than the last…IT’S LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO OUT DO EACHOTHER….

      and those stupid aruban posters(AMERICAN WANNABEE’S) that have the nerve to come here post bad things about the holloways just to get a reaction from all of us…

      I wished I could literaly drag them by their feet through my monitor and beat the crap out of them…hell even by their hair if they have any
      .. I would beat them like a red headed step child…
      no offense to redheads just a saying I have heard before … thought it was cute…
      but the best I can do is to take out my teeth and throw em at them but I need em lol lol


    113. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:23 pm

      I HAVE ALL MY TEETH BUT ILL BORROW GRAMPAS TO THROW!!he dont need em he died long ago and left em to me in a jar of water

    114. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:31 pm

      stratten is responsible FOR THE COVER UP OF JORAN
      pauulus is responsible.. for donating his DNA TO ANITA
      anita for bringing him into the word

    115. misskatie on April 23rd, 2008 10:32 pm


    116. brie. on April 23rd, 2008 10:50 pm

      God Love Ya Misskatie…..good nite…sleep tite….

    117. Ray on April 23rd, 2008 11:59 pm

      I would the most hated parent on earth ,because no daughter of mine would go outside the USA without a HIRED BODYGUARD.


    118. qwerty on April 24th, 2008 2:17 am

      Joran is in thailand, here is the proof:

    119. kiltie65 on April 24th, 2008 9:25 am

      Seems apparent the family van der sloot is “doing the Orient”…literally. On blogs for Natalee an anonymous poster said Joran was headed back to NL via Frankfort, then by train to NL. Personally, I suspect he was hiding out in the Orient to avoid a subpoena (or an irate Netherlander out to beat him silly given the chance). Maybe he was staying with “Martin”, the masseuse, but when Martin’s bank account was depleted Joran outstayed his welcome? Anyway, let’s hope “no joy” for Joran.

    120. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 9:37 am

      PAULUS… must be sweatting bullets… he just cant get control of that retard son of his.. amongst being mental.. sociopath.. he presents . HYPERACTIVE.. HE CANT SIT STILL AND CANT STAY OUT OF TROUBLE

      he was enrolled in college with a major in business…

      now he is making his business and profits stealing from others

      he had the best role models at home…
      thats why he is the way he is…

      im so sure pauulus is pulling his hair out… pacing the floor sweatting profusely
      while anita is right behind him as he paces and sweats she mumbles and mops up the sweat..

    121. Richard on April 24th, 2008 10:19 am

      The issue at hand is not whether Natalee was perfect, or (at this point) whether she was drugged. All the trolls who keep raising the same old points, only to stir up people …

      …please take note …

      The issue at hand IS:





      And I’ve still not found anything in the mainstream media about Joran being in Thailand.

      It very well could be true … but is it possible that someone is pulling off a gigantic hoax?

      With an apparent psychopath like JvdS, why not?

    122. brie. on April 24th, 2008 11:24 am

      Richard, I guess it could be a hoax, I remember that picture he sent to Beth with him and Natalee together at her house, he said it was a joke and he thought it was funny, we don’t even know for sure if he was in the mental institution…we need a private eye on his tail…

      I can see people snapping pictures of him, side views but the one picture that I think is strange is the fact that he is looking directly into the camera smiling, that photo and the photo in Aruba walking down the road after he got out of jail, wearing the same shirt are alike, except for the background and whatever he is wearing around his neck, sunglasses, camera….I’m going to back and look at that picture again… You could very well be right…

    123. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 12:01 pm

      I have seen that same picture somewhere before …
      what a sick punk ass retard
      imagine him sending a picture to beth like that makes me totaly sick… mongoloid head is sick sick in the head..

      of them….and his parents too

      can you visualize the after affects
      joran …pauulus .. sitting side by side strapped to a chair…
      joran and pauulus and anita foaming at the mouth… rocking back n forth and pauulus sweatting like a pig.. both salivating and rocking back n forth.. with a blank stare….






    124. brie. on April 24th, 2008 1:37 pm

      Richard and Misskatie….I went searching and yes it is all a big HOAX….that picture of Joran in the green shirt is the also the same one in Aruba when he got out of jail….that black thing around his neck is positioned the same way in both photos…the wrinkles in both his sleeves, right and left are identical, that is not a coincidence…the only slight difference is that he is smiling a little more in the recent photo but there could of been more than one taken that day…also if you look at the photo from post #118, Joran looks like he has been placed in that picture, he is as tall as the roof…another one his games…maybe he was in the mental institution and no one wants us to know….hey look at me Joran I am just having the time of my life….liar we know the kind of stuff he likes to pull off….

    125. brie. on April 24th, 2008 1:51 pm

      If you want to see that photo of Joran it posted on here Dec 10,2007….the heading was, I think that I would have not made it in the US….I

      I am SO,SO SICK of him……

    126. brie. on April 24th, 2008 2:59 pm

      Joran is one of the cruelest sub-humans walking on the face of this earth….Beth is waiting for her civil suit and he is making a big joke out of everything….his sadistic nature….who does he think he Harry Houdini, the great escape artist, well so far he’s still running free but the law of averages and his track record will take over…20 years and headed for hell!!!

    127. brie. on April 24th, 2008 3:06 pm

      #126…oops…meant to say 20 years old and headed for hell!!!

    128. brie. on April 24th, 2008 3:33 pm

      So maybe we need to play a game…Joran ate so many hot peppers in Bangkok at the floating market that he burnt his a~~ off!!! He probably choose that location as a prime target because he likes the word bang and he likes the word kok….oh, and did you wear your T-shirt that says “Fok der Bitch”…..

    129. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 6:08 pm

      omgg brie
      thats totaly hilarious ….bang



      rolling on the flooor literaly!!!!

      I wished we could just get ahold of him !!!

      to bad a hit doesnt get put on him… from some good semaritan… underworld … with mob ties..
      just for the pleasure of it… someone out there .. hint hint…..


    130. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 6:13 pm



    131. Patti on April 24th, 2008 8:02 pm

      Joran was not insane

      when he committed

      his crime against Natalee.


      And all this out of control stuff…

      He’s not that tough.

      He cried his eyes out the night of June 8.

      He wanted to die…




    132. Patti on April 24th, 2008 8:17 pm

      But, I agree…

      Remember..I told you what Arawaks do to their sons

      It’s true.

      So you grow up with half a brain,

      with some parents that are half-wits!


      I couldn’t believe the time that Joran

      got released from jail and they all posed

      for a picture in front of a pre-school,

      with dirt floors and poor children all around.


      As if she’d care…


      She calls herself a teacher…

      Does anyone know if she,

      actually, has a certificate?


      Makes you wonder if she ain’t one of those

      trans thing a ma jugs, in disguise…


      I thought I was a man,

      but I wanted to be a woman,


      Now, I’m a Lesbian.


      I’m Dutch,

      So it’s okay!!!


    133. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 8:23 pm

      hell if he wanted to die
      why didnt someone accomodate him!!

      DERN SHUCKS!!!


      alot of people willing to oblige him
      ask and he shall recieve
      hell he may not even have to ask

    134. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 8:27 pm

      hell a bunch of
      scared monkeys
      should go in to the aruban court House!!! like


    135. Patti on April 24th, 2008 9:01 pm

      I think Oduber is through.

      We just straightened a wall in the Palace.

      But, why does Shango call the Dutch


      Where are the test results?

      Where are the budgets,

      the reports,

      the books,

      the money?

      Does Holland use Aruba

      to wash their Money???

      And, where DOES everyone go?

      They said the immigration numbers don’t match.

      How many people are, REALLY, missing in Aruba?



      Stay OUT!!!


    136. Patti on April 24th, 2008 9:09 pm


      That’s what the boycott is…

      Holding them.

      But we got a leaky faucet…


      The Netherlands.


      Ohhhhhh, the things we could tell about them!


    137. misskatie on April 24th, 2008 9:42 pm

      hello hello brie

      where is everyone?
      it’s kinda quiet in here…


      you said its a hoax … geez … do they think we are as stupid as they are?
      so joran is not in an oriental hut
      so maybe he truly is in a nut hut!!

    138. Amsterdam 020 on April 25th, 2008 2:24 am

      @ Minky

      I was already off line.

      In the Netherlands, and also in Aruba, people are considered adults when they turn 18. However, parents can only be held liable for the actions of their children until they are 16 and only if the parents should have been able to prevent the wrongful acts.

      As from the age of 16 people are allowed to drink beer; you have to be 18 to drive or to gamble.

    139. Richard on April 25th, 2008 9:19 am

      We should remember that when Joran was first arrested, he was allowed parental visits and other such things because, at age 17, he was a minor. (At least, that’s the reason they gave for allowing Paulus to visit.)

      When he turned 18, certain privileges were revoked.

    140. Richard on April 25th, 2008 9:22 am

      Amsterdam (#138) … Just wondering: if one can drink beer at age 16 (and also, I imagine, wine and hard liquor), at what age does smoking marijuana become legal?

    141. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 10:50 am

      I think joran was born high..
      high from the stench of that nasty womb that gave birth to him..

    142. misskatie on April 25th, 2008 11:07 am

      it appears that joran is used to getting his way …isnt his godfather one of the court house idiots? he was allowed to go to casinos at a very young age and drink. drug whatever else some day some day..some sweet day anita will know grief from the loss of a child…
      his parents.continue to enable him…and dont get me started. on his most hated father of the century… he tooo will have his day

      you dont live that kind of style and prosper forever or even live peacefully

      naww joran will continue to defy them and anyone in authority…thats why they say teens should leave home while they still know it all..
      joran thinks he knows it all

    143. Patti on April 25th, 2008 12:56 pm


      Van der Straaten was his God Father.

      He was there, at the house, the day

      Natalee went missing… coaching.


      What is this ‘First Holy Communion’?


      Perhaps, Natalee was who Joran

      wanted the whole time…


      She said ‘NO’


    144. Patti on April 25th, 2008 1:03 pm


      Remember what Joran says,

      His family is all he cares about.

      He’s a puppet…

      Willing to sacrifice his life,

      for the sins of his father.


    145. brie. on April 25th, 2008 9:48 pm

      Richard…you can drink beer and wine in Aruba at age 16 but hard liquor at at 18… Joran was illegal…in C&C’s….there was a sign that said 18 or over…we card..

    146. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 11:55 am

      joran started drinking and rebelling at an early age..amost as soon as he popped out of the womb.. hell his first words were probably Dr FIX ME A MORPHINE COCTAIL..!!!

    147. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 12:00 pm

      theres more to pauulus.. than we can imagine..
      the bible says”
      that the sins of the father will be visited upon his sons…
      birds of a feather flock together
      the apple doesnt fall to far from the tree

      in my opinion that whole family needs to be eliminated
      they are taking up oxygen someone else worthy can be breathing….

      joran has no intention of going to college
      thats his fathers desire for him
      joran is fixiated on drinking drugging raping..
      and pimping…

      you live by the sword you die by the sword …

      and we all ask!!

      BUT WHEN !!!!

      hope its soon

    148. misskatie on April 26th, 2008 12:05 pm

      I am so glad you came back
      you bring alot of insight and wisdom to us…

      I would never go to aruba … but If I did I would go the the court house and get a picture of all those idiots..WITH A BOWL OF CORN FLAKES OF COURSE

      you may ask why

      to put in the guiness world record


    149. Leigh Ann on December 10th, 2009 10:34 am

      honestly that i believe natalee is still alive. she might have been sold into prostitution you never know. i think investigators should atleast take a chance and look into this.

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