RSSAruba Boasts of 13.6% Increase in Colombian Tourists … To Bad they Only Represent 1.74% of Aruban Tourism
Sound the horns and let the pigeons loose in Aruba … there was a 13.6% increase in visitors to Aruba from Colombia. Aruba, your tourism is saved. I guess you have nothing more to fear and worry about from people expressing their First Amendment Constitutional Rights to protest and have their voice be heard in demanding “Justice for Natalee” at travel shows in the United States.
The bad news for Aruba is that their good news is a double edge sword. First, Colombian travelers only represent 1.74% of their tourism as a whole. This is hardly something to get excited about. The increase of 1580 tourists a year is not the things that should get the ATA and AHATA ready to through a party.
Secondly, Aruba better figure out what the likes and dislikes are of their greatest percentage of tourists to their island. Americans do not like change, especially when they go to the same tourist destination. Aruba has already lost those that consciously relate “Justice for Natalee” and missing Natalee Holloway to Aruba. Now they will lose the people that went to Aruba for the same old, same old vacation for years and years. To tell the average person from America that there is a 14% increase in Colombians to the place that they consider a tourist destination is hardly a ringing endorsement to go to Aruba. That is the perception. The more Aruba brings in other types of tourists, the less Americans will travel there. That is the reality.
UPDATE I: Here are some Island Getaway spots to travel to in the US
Do you feel the need to go to island getaway places? Why go abroad when there are some great places to visit in the United States.
Number of Colombian visitors increases (Amigoe: March 30, 2008)
BOGOTÁ/ORANJESTAD — 13.178 Colombians visited Aruba in 2007; an increase of 13.6 percent compared to 2006, announced Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) today.
In 2006, 11.598 Colombians spent vacation or attended conventions in Aruba. The number of Colombian visitors to Aruba is currently 1.74 percent of the total number of visitors to Aruba, which were 753.816 in 2007. Compared to 2006, an increase of 8.56 percent. An average flight from the most important cities in Colombia to Aruba is 1 hour and 20 minutes.
Posted March 30, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, boycott, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 219 comments |
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A few percent of nothin’, taint nothing!!!
—
Getting these Arubian mothers to fully realize
the extent of the damage done to their
tourism game, from the rapist/murderer
Vandersloot & Kalpoe team,
seems impossible!
It’s kinda like attempting to teach a dog how to
perform calculus or algebraic equations.
They sincerely WANT to get it, they really do!
…but their balls looked so shiny
and round.
Ya know?
The heart just ain’t in it.
Not to engage in stereotypes or anything … but what is the appeal of Aruba to Colombians? And what sorts of activities do they engage in there?
Another question that Aruba doesn’t raise: what are their spending patterns there? How much cash do the Colombians leave, as opposed to what the Americans spent?
And are the Colombians taking advantage of fire-sale prices on Aruba? Obviously if Aruba offers its hotel rooms at bargain-basement rates, and subsidizes travel there, then somebody will go to try it out.
But Aruba will try to blow its own horn whenever it can. Too bad that it won’t decide to end the cover-up … but we’re not giving in.
No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.
Yo Ruba, we want our
BABY BACK
BABY BACK
BABY BACK!
> Where is?
http://tinyurl.com/2lrmwn
-j4n
To all:
I need to correct a mistake I have made over and over again.
I have repeatable stated that you can see the hand and arm of a young white girl at the 2min 30 second point in video #8.
It’s not. It is at the 1 min 34sec. point. (Of video #8.)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/10/08/videos-from-search-for-natalee-raise-more-questions/
Sorry for the mistake. I don’t know how I made it, and to make it over and over is dereliction of duty.
Jerry
Aruba where confessed rapists, sadists, killers roam free. The place where school girls are raped with no consequences.
ARUBA BLOWS
I was thinking last night… what was anita thinking when her son was discribing in graphic what he did to natalee.. I am led to believe that people from that country are cold.. and have little disregard for women… to say something like that.. to me is showing disrespect to his mother and grandmother… that he would talk like that. its one thing to brag in private but he didnt do that..
coumbian tourists???!!!! HA!! does the word CARTEL mean anything to ya Aruba?? the only thing columbia needs aruba for is and always has been, the “transition” point for their drugs…..and mafia. IMO.
Aruba is the only place in the world that would brag about having more Columbian visitors.
Probably isn’t the first time Joran described a sexual encounter to Anita. What was even more disgusting is Anita sat across the table from Beth and Greta and described this to them including what type of underwear Natalee was wearing. What messed up minds!!!
Still no word from the travel show in Houston, wonder what’s going on!!!
Looked at the video again from Waterboy. One minute they are covering up the rocks with some kind of cloth and the next minute they are painting them. Who really knows what was going on there!
Hey look at this.
It never ends, huh?
MSNBC & Sherman Travel team up to
send you to Aruba… to be brutally assaulted
and gang-raped at wondermous
DISOUNT PRICES?
WAY TO GO IDIOTS!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23709323/
I wonder how long they’ll have to go before
the Vandersloots break down &
eat another innocent?
—
Unbelievable.
—-
Waterboy & Brie:
There are very wicked things going
on in the ARUBAY @ ROCKS VIDEOS!
I have been imaging that site, plus
the infamous bag in the basin since
2006.
17/24 ARU VID
–
I have a closer image of that body and
arm… I’ll dig around and find it & post ‘er up.
I am setting all the ARUBAY VIDEOS to soundtracks
for my own li’l vid collection on YOU TUBE…
It’s interesting stuff, and I think it is time
we make EVERYONE ALL OVER THE WORLD fully aware of all of it.
The ARUBAY VIDS hold many clues to
Natalee’s rape and murder.
—
PEOPLE DOWNPLAY
THE IMPORTANCE
OF THEM
That is a shame, and very unwise.
—
ARUBAY VIDS:
http://tinyurl.com/yq72n4
was lorenzo and geoffrey von Corvoirt the same person and was the axis of isle history…the lighthouse????
i KNOW BRIE… REGARDING ANITA SITTING ACROSS FROM JORAN DISCUSSING IN DETAIL WHAT HE DID TO NATALEE.. HOW SICK SHE IS.. DO THEY NOT HAVE ANY MORALS APPARENTLY NOT… ITS CULTURE THERE…IT WONT BE LONG BEFORE THEY VICTIMIZE SOMEONE ELSE… THAN WHAT ANOTHER COVERUP.. I PRAY EVERY NIGHT THAT SOME HOW SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN TO JORAN OR PAUULUS … SOUNDS MEAN BUT IF IT HAPPENED THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY … STAND BEFORE GOD.. AND … EXPLAIN OR TRY TO…
I read that he realy wanted to be with one of the other girls because they were prettier than natalee.. wouldnt of made any difference the scenario would of been the same… just the name change… deepak and satish also need to stand accountable.. you dont do horrific things like that and get away with it.. they are young and have many years ahead of them… and I dont think those years will be good to them… how their lives will end only god knows… but bad karma will follow every single person that was involved…they will kill and rape someone else.. or they may double cross someone else.. the lives they live are filled with crime and evil…. evil begats evil… you live by the sword you die by the sword…but you will pay….
#11
Dan says the protest went well and that he will be writing a report about it. Stay tuned!
LOLOLOL
Fun with statistics. Everyone knows you can play games with statistics and it’s all in the presentation. Present the numbers a certain way and you can make even bad numbers look favorable.
And the funny part is: Aruba is trying to play with statistics and brag about something that won’t impress tourists anyway! LOLOLOLOL
Face it, Aruba! You know and everyone knows you are NOWHERE NEAR the numbers you expected to be. Now who is to blame for the voluntary travel boycott of Aruba?
Greta? No (But she says “Bring it!” )
Beth? No
Natalee? No
Scared Monkeys/Natalee Supporters/Protesters? No
Perps, accomplices, certain ALE, certain Aruban authorities? YES
miss katie….i remember reading that too, that jvds wanted one of natalees classmates. i think Paulus had alot to do with the “selection” of which girl….there is so much we don’t know but i feel, after reading all the articles and watching the casino video, that paulus was a member of an evil bunch of horny old toads that used the younger boys to lure the young girls to them. i think paulus was scoping them out at gambling table where he is shown sitting next to natalee. i remember reading that the casino was owned by a friend and the security cameras were controlled by another friend who probably had a little room where the horny old toads could watch from. i believe freddy filmed the girls and the horny old toads once they got to their destination. remember when the three boys JVDS/2K were being secretly taped in the car and deepak kept saying over and over, Freddy knows, Freddy knows the truth. they should ask him. i think they may have also used this particular casino and surveilance cameras to scope out young girls for transport to the sex slave dealers. i would not rule out anything when it comes to these lowlife slimeballs in aruba. and the wives cannot be any better. they have to know what is going on. they reap the rewards financially and live high on the hog. they have to know. certainly anita knew what was going on in her own home. certainly she knew natalee was there. she certainly knew what was going on in jorans part of the compound as he had done it so many times before and certainly she knew what happened to Natalee. IMO she’s just as guilty as any of the rest of them. i believe that is why paulus was sweating bullets when beth arrived at the VDS house and questioned him. IMO paulus has used his own son as a scapegoat, even though joran played a part in natalees drugging/rape. i believe that “something bad happened” as was said by 2K’s . My mind races with what if’s……….just like everyone else i’m sure.
About the Arubay videos – please pardon me if this has been asked before..has anyone sent them to the FBI or Interpol or anything…I hsave looked at them but my old eyes could not see too much but one did look like a girl with long blonde hair. What is going on with these videos? Will appreciate any info. TIA
Carpe (#13) … No matter how many Americans are lost on Aruba, the money people, the ones who cash in by getting people to go there, won’t care.
The American Society of Travel Agents … those selfless people who are so devoted to the well-being of their clients (yeah, right) … from day one refused to say anything about Natalee.
And as for endorsing a boycott? I can show you the replies to the letters I sent to them … let’s just say they weren’t interested.
The money interests don’t care how many Americans are chewed up. You would think the government would … but not until the headlines and the votes are there. There was talk at the National Governors’ Conference in 2005 of calling for a voluntary boycott … we never heard anything more.
And Kaye and MissKatie … to the best of my knowledge, the only “evidence” that Joran was interested more in Ruth (another girl) is a statement by Joran.
Could be true, or maybe not … but it seems to me more likely that he’s showing his hyena stripes here. Certainly he wouldn’t confess to an overwhelming interest in Natalee specifically.
She’s missing! He’s implicated (to put it mildly).
Makes much more sense for him to say, “Hey, I didn’t want her around me … she just tagged along,” or something like that. I don’t believe it for a moment.
Always 1
Here are some interesting photographs of Andraes and Michael on the Marriott beach and with the water sports boats.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517823511081195246DXmKpy
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517825126081195246HGiAZe
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517824994081195246EMnqps
Richard
scared monkeys and people like yourself and many others.. have big hearts and know what is right or wrong..you care what happened to natalee.. you have morals and values and you you speak for what is right.. you research and bring us information and updates.. your a great asset to scared monkeys… I value your opinions .. you know what you are talking about…we all have grown to love natalee.. dave. and beth.. and have taken them into our hearts our prayers.. we want to see justice served.. we know that theres great evil out in the world.. we know we read it daily…the biggest example of course is pauulus and joran and the deepaks… what they did to natalee was inhumane.. it tore at our hearts … she remains in our hearts and prayers. hopefully there will be a day when the good lord will judge them.. in the mean time our job here is to pray and support the holloways.. this has emotionaly touched me deeply..as well as many others… we dont come here as a hobby.. we come here out of love.. and a need to see justice served… to prevent this happening to another girl.. my grandaughters 18… if this was myself in beths place.. I just dunno if I could keep it together… GOD BLESS U BETH.. WERE HERE FOR YOU…
Katie
“But Aruba will try to blow its own horn whenever it can.”
Right Richard
and again:
“Hey, I didn’t want her around me … she just tagged along,” or something like that. I don’t believe it for a moment.
Me either, brudda.
….
A Dutch TV show host
asked Joran in Jan ’08 why would
anybody would ever believe
Joran Vandersloot.
His reply? Just what he told ABC’S Chris Cuomo…
There is no reason to believe me, whatsoever.
> WHY ISN’T HE IN JAIL OR DEAD?
http://tinyurl.com/ynjw2z
Meanwhile, remembering back to all the talk about Freddy and the porn movies he and others made….
Take a look at this BBC story from 2001.
Hold your stomach … you’re going to be sick … but somehow all these animals made contact with each other. A common interest in their shared perversion.
Where there’s money, there are scum.
Who knows how far Freddy’s contacts went? One wonders why the Kalpoes’ relative bought that Internet place, and who paid for it….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/1109787.stm
Wednesday, 10 January, 2001, 15:18 GMT
Porn ring ‘was real child abuse’
Club members ‘paid’ an entry fee of 10,000 indecent images
It was an exclusive international club, men with a similar interest exchanging material via the internet.
The sordid entrance fee – 10,000 indecent pictures of children.
Police forces from 12 countries finally managed to break the so-called Wonderland Club, making 107 arrests and seizing 750,000 computer images of children.
In the UK, eight men were charged with conspiracy to distribute pornographic images.
This was not a passive activity of collecting pornography. This is real abuse of children
Detective Superintendent Peter Spindler
Seven pleaded guilty and one killed himself.
The international operation to trace the internet paedophiles began in San Jose, California, in May 1996, when the police discovered that a child abuser had broadcast live images on the internet to a paedophile ring called the Orchid Club.
Among its subscribers was a man in his twenties who lived in East Sussex.
Investigating the leads, Sussex police found not only child pornography linked to the Orchid Club, but also a larger and more sinister paedophile network called Wonderland.
Police seized 750,000 computer images of children
A five-month investigation followed, codenamed Operation Cathedral and co-ordinated by the British National Crime Squad in London.
Wonderland originated in the United States but also operated in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Sweden and Britain.
Members joined, by invite only, on condition that they provided 10,000 images of children different from the hundreds of thousands of others already stored on the club’s database.
One Italian member had 180,000 images.
The images uncovered by the raids in 1998 that finally broke the ring included photographs of naked boys and girls, aged from infancy to puberty.
One was a baby less than a year old.
‘Skilled individuals’
The behaviour that has been carried out is absolutely appalling
Det Supt Peter Spindler
Detective Superintendent Peter Spindler, of the National Crime Squad, said the Wonderland Club were educated, skilled individuals who knew how to use encryption to protect the images and defeat law enforcement.
“This was not a passive activity of collecting pornography,” he said.
“The images are disgusting and the behaviour that has been carried out is absolutely appalling.
“These people were not the dirty mac brigade that you might think paedophiles may consist of.
“They are male, in their mid 30s or early 40s who happen to have good IT skills. They knew what they were doing.”
One of the Wonderland conspirators, who pleaded guilty, does not believe he encouraged the exploitation of children by his behaviour.
However, detectives believe there were 1,200 young victims whose images were the hard currency of this paedophile ring.
Trauma
John Carr, internet consultant for NCH Action for Children, said each one of the images represented a crime against an actual child.
“It is therefore very important that these guys are caught and that these images are found and confiscated,” he said.
“Without these pictures we have no way of tracking down the children to give them the kind of help and support they almost certainly will need to recover from the trauma which these pictures represent.”
Tracking the children in the images is like hunting a needle in a haystack
As pornography on the internet rapidly increases, Mr Carr says the authorities face an uphill struggle in catching those responsible.
“One is that the internet itself is very difficult to police, it is very difficult to find the bad guys who are doing these kind of things,” he said.
“Equally it is about resources. If you haven’t got the right number of policemen in the first place you have no hope of finding these guys who are doing the bad things on the internet.”
Lost children
There are still no clues as to the identities of the children involved in Wonderland’s trading ring despite secret pilot studies in Britain and other countries.
Some pictures suggested they had been shot in an Asian location.
In others, the scenery suggested that of a typical English village.
Rob Hutchinson, from the Association of Directors of Social Services, said it was almost impossible to continue with the investigation.
“It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack,” he said.
“We don’t know how old the photos are, we don’t know where the children come from, we don’t even know what countries.”
But Mr Hutchinson said all the information had been transferred to child protection units of police authorities around the UK who would match it with ongoing investigations.
The UK’s National Crime Squad keeps a file of the victims, and police now hope to have the world’s first victims’ database which can be accessed by law enforcement agencies everywhere.
#16 Always
Lorenzo is a big drug dealer on the island. He has a big house that is protected like a fortress. He is reported to be Juran’s half-brother, Paulus’s illegitimate son. Geoffrey von Cromvoirt is the son of the man who owned a large security company. He is reported to be crazy. He worked for his father’s security company at one point, but at the time that Natalee arrived on the island he was working for a water sports business at the beach. He was regarded as a beach bum.
Kaye
I get very emotional about natalee and what they did to beth and her family.I stay up at night and pray for change the bible says that the sins of the father will be visited onto the sons. how true is that..100% … … he long ago destroyed any chance his son had to be normal.makes me wonder…will the other boys be like them… perhaps..the apple doesnt fall to far from the tree..
they commited a hanious crime they robbed her of a fruitful life..yessssssss.. I agree lusts and preys on beautiful young girls.. he sick mind finds other means to satisfy his flesh along with his son..
so much cover up.
.. but rest assured that there is one .above. that they cant lie to..he can see thru them .. one that knows the truth.. surely their lives cannot possibly be that happy and gratifying especialy for anita.. knowing that her son is a murderer..rapist.. mental excuse of a human… regardless of how much she is … in denial.. and even if she has no control over her house. .. SHE HAD control over one thing that could have helped her son … HER TONGUE… she possesed the ability to sit him down and have a reality chat with him.NOT TO BE LIKE HIS FATHER…. there is no way I will be convinced that she could be proud of him.. WHY he has acomplished nothing.. nada… I dont know about the values of the dutch… what the family dynamics are like… they failed him..THEY FAILED THEIRSELVES… he became a murderer…IT is JUST the begining for him… who knows… he is evil… like his father… he so wants to be like daddy.. geez pauulus thats something to be proud of huh…LIKE FATHER LIKE SON… sorry if this seemed long I am bearing my feelings here ..
GOD BLESS U BETH AND DAVE…KEEP THE FAITH…
PAUULUS PREY AND LUSTS ON YOUNG GIRLS IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY
PREYS ON YOUNG GIRLS
thanks ss….
its actually spelled Colombian-im sure facts or accuracy are unimportant to you anyways.
Wonder what sporter is up to these days. Any reports from Aruba?
#33
If you want to be nasty…
The word “anyways” at the end of your sentence should be “anyway”.
Misskatie…OK to bear your feelings, we all do!! That is why we are here….deep, emotional feelings for Natalee and her family…
I do not know how Aruba has managed to get away with this…they say they have lost millions of dollars…huh….there is no way you can put a price on what Natalee’s family has lost…
Anita’s says, “It’s just one girl”! Well then, Joran is just one boy and he live with his tail between his legs for the rest of his life.
#33…not you again!!! Go away!!! Buzz off!!! Get lost!!!! Jack off….I don’t care but disappear!!! You are not welcome here!!! Go see a doctor!!!
So has the Minister of Justice, Ruby Croes removed Paulus from the gov’t committees, like he said he was going too! I wish Diario would post in English.
Colombians vacationing in Aruba…. great, with what that place has to offer, I’m sure some of them will be right at home. Actually if by some unfortunate happening as is wont to occur on Aruba, a few Columbians go missing, and maybe if Aruba reacts as they usually do to such incidents, a few of their unsavory justice department will get what they deserve, i.e. go missing as well.
lmao brie
apparently pauulus does not find anita desirable … seems like his mind is tainted..by his sick.. preferance to young american girls.. drugged and raped…
probably spends time on the internet on porn sites.. or does he have his own.sick. business….
sure would like to do a survey in aruba…
1. how many islanders believe in jorans innocence
2. how many islanders hold high moral standards.
3. how many know of other incidents of girls being raped and drugged and taken to that house way out past the light house.. called the whore house….
4. how many can tell us about the latest surge of tourists to the island..
5. how many people want to reclaim their island and restore it… if possible
this of course would be done with ananimity..
did I mispell it?
The greatest complement of all,
is to be quoted.
Thanks, Carpe…
It is time.
Hello All,
I will say this little bit since Dan wants to consolidate all our comments. I feel very gratified and rewarded with how things went at the Houston protest for Natalee. Larry(my husband) and Alison(our daughter) aren’t protestor types, but they felt like the day went very well. We were all impressed with how many people came up to say that they supported us. Aruba may think that this situation, this Natalee Holloway situation, will go away. It won’t. There were an amazing number of people who called to mind the whole case, just because we were standing there. Many people are hurting on behalf of Natalee’s family and waiting for justice. The momentary bonding and heartfelt support was awesome.
God bless the Holloways and Twittys
boycott aruba
molly in houston
I know someone personally who is from Colombia. She is very, very poor. So my immediate feeling is that Aruba is getting Colombians because of the dirt cheap prices, OR they are getting the cartel to come over there. In which case, there is just more drug dealing going on in Aruba. What an attraction.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
#33.
With all that has gone on you are worried about spelling and comparing that to accuracy and facts.
Might I suggest you get a life. However, first get a clue.
Thank you … The Management.
Trying to talk sense to Aruba about their tourism is like a harvard graduate trying to explain quantum physics to a 2 year old. i.e. Does not compute.
Patti,
Long time, no see stranger.
You bet your sweet
virginia, girlfriend.
I heard thattttt. High monkey 5
Justice 4 our
girl Natalee!
http://tinyurl.com/34zr3m
Could someone tell Anita
that this lovely outfit
she tossed together looks
like a funny car of Barnum
& Bailey circus clowns
exploded. Tell homegirl
she needs to wear it only
LOCALLY. Like no more
than a 500 foot radius
from the living room
coffee table.
http://tinyurl.com/2xmclt
http://tinyurl.com/2xmclt
Well now, strictly from an Accounting point of view, even “IF” 1,580 more non-spenders from Columbia had the poor judgement to visit Aruba (hmmm, wonder what the airline profit is on a 20 mile trip)….how does THAT “fact” provided by AHATA (oh yeah, they are real believable-LOL) line up against 17,893 Americans who chose NOT to visit in a personal & silent protest?
How’s those phoney tourism numbers working out? Hint: Oduber will hang someone who’s lying in his Tourism Department. Expect another sorrowful bleating from the ‘powers that be’ shortly. Last month a transparent PR stated more travellers from the UK had come as tourists. Hmmmmmm, another bonanza again……was it 1,300 more Brits? Nah, another ficticious claim IMO. Both the Brits and the Columbians don’t spend money. Talk about tight, they’re tighter than a crabs a$$hole.
What continues to amaze intelligent people is the childlike pronouncements extolling imagined gains in tourism. Is that the offical line handed to the little people of Aruba who are seeing their income and livihoods decimated from lack of American tourists? Poor people, they’re going to get hungry as late Spring and Summer bookings vanish. Who in their right minds would book a vacation on a hot-humid-dusty sand bar? No too many.
Thanks, Molly, for ALL you do…
You’ve been here fighting for justice
since, well; as long as I can remember.
No doubt, the memory of Natalee Holloway,
is, still, deep in the heart of Texas.
.
Boycott Aruba!
.
Carpe:
Thanks…
I love Nemo, too.
He gives GOOD hugs…
.
Justice for Natalee
Right on, Bob!
Aruba’s gonna BITE the DUST!
.
Boycott!
Well, that’s shocking………!
Just signing in to post a message, and on top of the SM main page, there’s a catchy flashing advertisement for a Caribbean vacation, so I clicked it, after all it’s an ad that theoretically provides some funds for allowing the ad to run on SM. Lo & behold, it’s for Starwoods Hotels. The second paragraph is the following:
” The Westin Aruba Resort brings you Paradise from an Ocean View Room
Book an ocean view room at the Westin Aruba Resort and receive 20% off
Welcome to the perfect island destination, offering the charm of the Dutch Caribbean, a magnificent beach, glittering casino, and a host of outdoor pleasures. Located on the luxurious strip of Palm Beach, Aruba, amidst sparkling blue water and soft sand beaches, enjoy sailing, windsurfing, scuba diving, deep-sea fishing, and golf. The Westin Aruba offers an ideal blend of Caribbean warmth and Las Vegas-style excitement. Refresh in this tropical haven from an ocean view room.
Book your paradise view by March 31, 2008 and receive 20% off.”
And so we promote ads for The Westin Aruba???????
I am disappointed to say the least.
Hmnnnnnnnnnnn..#52…. a banner pop-up on this site promoting business for the Westin Aruba?
I highly doubt it… Bob—did you perhaps indulge in an extra night cap this evening after dinner? Are your eyes playing tricks on you?
Let’s see if Red wants to verify or nullify that info you just posted on here…Remember, this is America where you are innocent until proven guilty–not ARUBA where you are guilty and then get let off.
Ken (#33) … Why aren’t you down there in Aruba right now, reveling in your buying up a prime beach property at cut-rate prices?
Hope you go. The sooner, the better. You can be a pimp for the van der Sloots and their cronies.
Now I’ll talk to the worthwhile people here:
In the article I posted above (#27), which none of us can really imagine to be true (we may know, intellectually, that it is, but who can truly understand or believe it?), note how one gained admission to this seventh circle of Hell:
providing 10,000 new porn images of children.
This is inconceivable to any of us … but does it point to something behind Natalee’s disappearance? We’ve heard of Freddy’s proclivities, and his own lawyer admitted that he was present at such a proceeding …
is it possible that Natalee was meant to serve as just another as-yet undefiled ‘specimen,’ and that she woke up earlier than anticipated? And that drastic measures had to be taken?
At this point, I don’t know what to think.
Bob … I may be wrong, but I don’t think that this blog chooses the ads that appear there.
I believe that they have to take whatever clients that particular company gets.
One good thing about it: Aruba is wasting even more money on ads here, as we are a non-receptive audience. The more money it loses, the better.
Boycott Aruba … now and forever.
Molly in Houston (#43) … Blessings to you and all others who stood up for Natalee in Houston.
I understand that there were EIGHT protestors. I believe that is an all-time record, so far.
As you say, so much for Aruba’s wish, “Gee, why don’t these people just go away?” THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
We’re all waiting for the full report. I can’t imagine a greater testimonial to the basic sense of decency and doing what is right than you folks showed in Houston (and these days, it’s sometimes hard to think that anyone even cares about such lofty Victorian sentiments anymore).
But we’ll get a thread on this, I’m sure.
Meanwhile, let me reply to one of the pro-Aruban types. He e-mailed Vicki a few days ago, quoting a message I had posted about supporting the boycott and asking how we could continue to call for a boycott.
Vicki said she didn’t mind if I commented here.
So, here’s to that person and all the other Rats (there’s an inside pun here) from Aruba:
Did you notice how many people showed up in Houston? Eight. That, I believe, is the most people EVER to have taken part in any of these protests.
So much for your whining and wringing your hands, hoping that Natalee would be forgotten.
It isn’t going to happen. Now, or ever.
We who are here are committed to the boycott. Why? Because your own government’s actions mandate it. We will never forget your treatment of the Holloway Twitty family. We will never forgive.
Is there not a cover-up? Hey, Rats, go read Beth’s book … find where the head of Aruban tourism himself nodded and said, “Yes … yes there was.”
(He, at least, was the rat who deserted the sinking ship. The rest of you can go down with it.)
The only argument against boycotting Aruba is that you filth, if you sink in the ocean, would pollute the sea. But I’m willing to put up with that.
Have any of you even taken steps to strip the proven liar, Paulus van der Scum, of the right to practice law on your island?
Have any of you spoken out for a public accounting by your corrupt officials, past and present?
Have any of you moved to collect funds for the work of the Persistence … something that should be the responsibility of the Arubans and Dutch?
Hell, no! You cringe before the American tourists, hoping to get their money, and yet hold them in contempt.
Your day is over. The job of us here is to help speed it along.
Boycott Aruba … now and forever.
Now go post this response on your hate site.
paulus is a WHORE
PATTI:
Thanks. You’re right………….deep in the heart of Texas…..
and don’t forget, Aruba, because we won’t forget.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
RICHARD: Thanks.
The thread is coming……:)
boycott aruba
molly in houston
boycott aruba for justice… thanks richard.. that was well said and deserved…
It’s Colombian…and only a few people noticed…Anyway, terrorism is in the eyes of the beholder…to me, they represent a revolutionary group that has fought against the corrupt and abusive Colombian government for nearly 50 years…According to most Americans today, anyone who fights against their government, or who wants freedom from occupying armies or corrupt governments, is branded a terrorist. Our so-called “Founding ‘Revolutionary’ Fathers” must be rolling over in their graves….
8 people!!wow!you guys should tour.the *who cares-i have more important things to do tour…how many of those 8 even knew where Aruba was till this case?boycotts don’t work.any publicity is good publicity.
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SM: Don’t go away mad … just go away.
You would actually make fun of people taking time out of their lives to protest a cause they believe in while you sit on your lazy a$$ and act like a big man behind you key board. Who do you think people have more respect for?
All it takes is one protester to make the point. It isn’t a boycott you fool, its concerned people reminding others what has and had happened. If you do not think its working, then why is Aruba, the ATA and AHATA trying to hard to not allow people to protest them at the travel shows? Hmmm?
Now run along and go collect your Aruba tourism money for posting troll comments on line.
R
Thank you Richard, couldnt have said it better…Thanks to you also Molly,for being Natalees voice.
Patty, where have you been Girl???Missed you..
BIG SHOW IN JUNE AT THE RONALD REAGAN BLDG WASHINGTON DC JUNE 21-24th PLEASE TRY AND MAKE PLANS NOW…ROOMS ARE AROUND 70.00 A NIGHT….STAND WITH THE GIRL ON THIS ONE…
The real reason for the drop in reveneus in Aruba
is not th number of tourists, but the playmobil money they bring with them.
http://www.beursgorilla.nl/dollar.asp
61- what a fool you are hahahahahahahahaha you just dont get it. loser….
Watch out for flying bullets…Money transporters of a security service in Eagle barely escaped the bullets of two raiders last Friday evening. The first shots were fired the moment the collecting clerks stepped out of their armored vehicle to deliver a great deal of money they had collected to their office. At least nine shots were fired.
Of course there was no police protection…those clerks were lucky they weren’t killed or someone else.
AS certain tourists are increasing so is the crime rate…..are they really tourists? How many illegal immigrants are on that island? Sounds like anything but safe to me.
I’ll take WHAT IS A YUTZ
for 300, Alex.
http://tinyurl.com/3Xsff2
#62
In my line of work, we would refer to you as an attention seeking child who is so desperate for recognition that he/she will accept any response be it negative or positive. Do you really believe that the things you say will have any impact on the people at this site? Why don’t you simply find a group who agrees with your thoughts and stay out of here?
#64
Shouldn’t you be playing beach tennis with Valentjin and the other kids?
Joran’s knife
http://tinyurl.com/2pkv68
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http://tinyurl.com/25c552
http://tinyurl.com/yvhXrj
http://tinyurl.com/2zr6wa
If the boycott against Aruba wasn’t working:
1. Trolls wouldn’t be here telling us it’s not working.
2. Every travel site known to man would not be advertising discounts to Aruba as their “top deal”.
3. Aruba wouldn’t be courting Columbians
4. Aruba would be posting their real travel numbers
HEY, PAULUS IS KILLING KENNY ! OR KEN FOR SHORT !
#41
apparently pauulus does not find anita desirable
….
Well, I can’t stand Paulus… but I’m
with him on that one. That dang bulldog
of a wife of his looks like she could lift
the engine out of a Volkswagon utilizing
only her neck & bungi cords.
Have you seen the size of
the guns on that hooker?
Joran apparently doesn’t like American’s because he’s always causing trouble….threw a guy into a plate glass window and threatened him with a knife and he doesn’t even get arrested. Why because he is Paulus’s son? Joran didn’t even care if that glass could of broken. Just like he didn’t care if Natalee was alive or dead.
The esteemed troll Ken says:
“how many of those 8 even knew where Aruba was till this case?boycotts don’t work”
Until this case … nobody gave a damn about Aruba one way or another. That’s too bad, because there was ample evidence of the corruption, crime, drug trafficking, and earlier attacks on Americans that went largely unreported.
Such as the American married couple drugged in one of the casinos … the man was left there in a back room while the woman was taken out to the desert and raped.
Such as Traci Allen of Boston, who was assaulted and promised action by the Aruban police, only to find that nothing whatsoever had been done.
Such as … well, why go on?
As I’ve said above, the money people don’t give a damn about how many American lives are lost on the “one happy island.” Don’t now, didn’t then.
Might get in the way of their business deals.
Now, however, the attention of the world has been turned on Aruba. Everyone now knows where it is … and everyone now knows WHAT it is.
No excuse for anyone to go there.
And it’s a highly moral action not only to avoid the place, but to encourage others to do so.
That’s what the protests are all about!
We will, of course, make an exception for troll Ken … he would seem to fit right in on Aruba. His posts have that certain Aruban air about them … water finds its own level, so they say.
But why give trolls the attention they seek?
Quote troll Ken: “Boycotts don’t work.”
That’s what Aruba kept trying to tell us in 2006 and 2007 (after whining to the world media that boycotts were illegal, which is patent nonsense).
Boycotts don’t work. Tourism flourishes as usual.
Guess Nelson Oduber doesn’t know what’s going on.
(He’s the prime minister of Aruba, Ken.)
He told Dutch TV in early February that Aruba had lost tens of millions of dollars in tourist revenue … AND he SPECIFICALLY cited the Natalee Holloway case as the cause.
But maybe Oduber isn’t too bright. That’s probably a qualification for being in Aruban politics, anyway. That, corruption, dishonesty ….
Still and all, I’ll take his word on it.
good morning…has anyone seen van der sloots book in english yet…not that i want to support his cause, but another site is calling it a confession…..
i understand i takes 4,000 signatures to get a grand jury together…since nat was one of us, has it ever been brought up??????
All it takes is a few protesters with lots of determination to get out tons info via flyers, signs, giveaways.
The effect is substantial.
Just listen to AHATA cry about it.
I am the person that Richard refered to in post #56 as the person that emailed Vicki. She and I have sustained a cordial dialogue throughout the weekend. We haven’t found a whole lot that we agree on but our exchanges have been civil.
Poster #70 asked Aruba to publish “real” tourism numbers. Here ya go:
Aruba received 753,818 stay-over visitors in 2007, which is an all-time record for the island. You noted an Amigoe article that cited the increase in visitors from Colombia but you neglected to point out that Aruba also enjoyed a 3.3% increase in visitors from the U.S.
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SM: Posted in the forum by Sandy Leiva from todays Diario:
Was reading todays diario and can’t copy article but Pullmansurnan cruises are no longer going to aruba. Paper states this additional cruise lines loss of business is hurting aruba and it’s people are starving from lack of jobs and money. The article also chastises the Ahata and tourism boards for falsely claiming in the news that tourism is up when in fact cruise business is down 20% or more. I guess boycott news is spreading rapidly and working. Article also stated that hotel business is down and in fact the only place where business has increased slightly is in timeshares. Seems those that are going are elderly and those renting out thier timeshares to others . just an fyi sandy
Keep dreaming Charlierat
(klaasend)
Joran has two heads and they both spin around.
If he confessed in his book along with 10 other confessions that Peter has on tape, why hasn’t he been arrested. The one person that is preventing that from happening is the judge. Hans said, this is what we have been waiting for and the judge says he raised the bar to re-arrest Joran. That is just plain crap. It’s probably that old fart friend of Paulus…Ric Smid. Somebody needs to overrule him.
And Paulus should be arrested for smuggling in a cell phone to Joran while he was in jail along with disposing of a body.
There’s crime all over that island but no one ever gets prosecuted.
I know Dan is going to update everyone on the Houston protest(which i think went great!!!) but i wanted to let everyone know that when people show up at these travel shows to protest, it really pisses the ATA off! One gentleman came out of the travel show with one of our tote bags and he said he went up to Aruba’s booth and held it up and asked them “where is she?”, and he said they really got pissed.This happened earlier in the day, so it was before they banned the tote bags inside the convention center.
Hey Ken the Troll:
Why don’t you run along now, and btw, get your head out of Joranus!!
Bwa-hahahahahahaha!
When Beth’s book is released in Dutch the video of Joran confessing needs to be shown again in the Netherlands and Aruba. Also when Patrick’s book is released.
Wonder if Joran’s uncle has gone crazy by now, having him around would be more than any human being could endure.
Too bad for Aruba……they coulda’ been a contenda, but they kept screwing up.
In my personal and business travels in and out of this country, I’ve been to some of the most elite parts of a country as well as it’s worse parts. Surely every country has both, we have.
For an island such as Aruba, that has absolutely nothing going for itself other than a few miles of semi-acceptable sandy beaches and sun, you’d think the government would work hard as heck to present the best image to the outside world as possible in oder to draw visitors. Ain’t happened.
When you walk around “town” to do a little shopping, there are at best 2-3 small blocks where shops and neighborhood are acceptable. Walk over 1-2 blocks out of the main streets, you’d swear you were in Tijuana, Mexico. Busted up sidewalks ( if there are any ), pothole streets, rotted garbage in overflowing trash pails, and worse. Of particular note are dead and rotting dogs. Pitiful. When you do walk down the 2 main shopping streets, a never ending parade of local imbecilles creep along the street blaring radios and reving rusted cars in the hopes that someone will notice them. Lord knows why.
Years ago someone decided to explore whether they could lure tourists to a moderately priced sand bar. It did work in the begining. Then a few corporations did what they do best: make a ‘show’, invest nothing, contribut nothing, and syphon off every bit of profit they could. Locals were promised the moon, they got little or nothing. They started to slide backwards, faster and faster, and like a snowball running downhill, it just picked up steam. The island became over built and suddenly everyone had visions of wealth with no effort expended. Youths became arrogant and restless. Then as times got really ragged, poor Natalee visited with her classmates.
It was the perfect storm….all events rushing towards eachother at the same moment. BOOM! Instead of taking the lead and stepping up to show the world they were still viable……they fell into the abbyss of the unintelligent. Now they pay the price…they will never advance to gain respect any longer. They’ve lost the fight for tourism dollars. They coulda’ been a contenda’. No more.
lol brie..
I wonder how many books joran sold and how many are selling now…I ordered daves book.. I had already ordered beths book and read it in one day…
I am sure he is still up to his old tricks.. stalking girls…for hiself and daddy sicko
http://www.aruba.com….click on “contact us” to comment on “how we can better serve you.” (not that anyone at ATA reads or even cares).
this morning:
bucuti beach 11
Playa Linda 8 pool 2-bar
Radisson 4-pool 0-bar 2-beach
keep boycotting by whatever means you can.
#79
How’s your friend Julia Renfro? They already figured out who you are on the other blogs.
Hi, Klaas. Yes, it is true that cruise ship arrivals are down. The figure I cited was for stay-over arrivals (i.e. the ones that check into hotels). Cruise passengers are not counted as part of that group.
They banned the tote bags inside the convention center…that’s not fair, if people wanted to carry them around, that’s their business. They should of told them to close up the Aruba booth and scat!!!
Aruban tourism just can’t stand to deal with the truth…as I said before, after seeing the protesters, which are peaceful and learning about Natalee, Aruba and the people working the booth look like fools.
#81 banning a tote bag inside the convention center has to be illegal. It’s against freedom of speech unless they ban ALL tote bags. Probably thought they could get away with it because no one could instantly take them to task, but it simply can’t be legal.
February 6, 2008
Dutch Newspaper Reports Aruba’s Tourism Caused Economic Loss In The Tens of Millions
Summary:Boycott of Aruba hurts Aruba big time.
Today, Dutch News reported that Aruba has lost tens of millions of dollars due to the Natalee Holloway inspired boycott of Aruba.
The report states:
“The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway and the ensuing police investigation has cost the former Dutch colony of Aruba tens of millions of dollars in lost income from American tourists.
“The comment was made by the island’s prime minister Nelson Oduber on the Dutch tv current affairs show Nova on Tuesday evening. Aruba’s economy depends for 70% on US tourists, he said.”
Boycott Watch has previously reported that Aruba has been trying to cover up their tourism losses and we have little confidence in their current projections of growth. At the moment, the family vacationers are avoiding Aruba for the same reason Spring Breakers are going there – Aruba looks the other way at underage drinking, rampant and easy access to drugs and the lack of any real safety and police enforcement.
Aruba is popular for students on Spring Break because they can get away with things they can’t in the US, and not just the alcohol and drugs – because Aruba is not part of the US, arrests made in Aruba will never appear on the students criminal record in the US.
In a February 4, 2008, interview (See Below) with Neil Cavuto on Your World on the Fox News Channel, Neil Cavuto asked Boycott Watch President Fred Taub if he thinks Americans should vacation elsewhere, and Fred Taub simply replied “Yes.” Taub did not make any recommendations of where to go in the interview, but notes that “this is a big world and there are lots of places to vacation to.”
Taub is formerly an Emergency Medical Technician who volunteered at hundreds of special events and has been in many life-saving situations. Taub has also assisted in teaching new EMT’s as well as proctored the skills exams of EMT candidates. Based on his experience, he has a theory about the Holloway case based on the Peter R. De Vries undercover investigation.
DISCLAIMER: The following paragraph is strictly a theory and is graphic in nature.
Taub stated: “In the video, Van der Sloot stated Natalee was drunk. Van der Sloot indicated Natalee probably passed out drunk, but to me, the convulsions indicate drugs were involved. I used to be an EMT and although I have not dealt with this exact situation, I have had the training and medics talk to each other about cases. So, assuming that drugs were involved, I suspect Natalee was alive and unconscious after the convulsions, but she was clearly in bad shape medically. I think Van der Sloot raped Natalee which is why he wanted to make her body vanish – there was probably bruising from the rape, and bruising can only happen with a person who has blood circulating, meaning Natalee was alive. So, I theorize the trauma of rape mixed with drugs and being drunk raised her heartbeat, all contributing to a seizure. Again, that’s just my theory, but what I saw in the Peter R. De Vries undercover investigation leads me to believe that Natalee was most probably alive at the time of she was dumped into the ocean. Van der Sloot must have felt he needed to hide Natalee’s body for some reason, and to be that means her body was the crime scene, meaning she was raped.”
In the mean time, the IMF has warned Aruba to diversify their economy because they are vulnerable to “outside forces” which can only mean the boycott inspired by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. One look at blogs such as Justice for Natalee indicates the boycott is going strong. The “tens of millions of dollars” loss reported by Dutch News proves the boycott was working. Considering all the recent news, especially the news of the effect of the boycott on Aruba, the boycott against Aruba will continue indefinitely.
**you’ll notice about 3rd paragraph they say “ensuing police investigation” Yeah, right.
paragraph 6 “arrests made in aruba will never appear on the students criminal records in the US” Unbelievable!! this place is the armpit of the caribbean, a cesspool of bottom feeders…….i could go on and on.
Rat, you’re a freaking walking mental disorder. You cared not one iota about Aruban Tourism until Natalee got murdered. You pathetic little man. You cared so little that you couldn’t even muster up the funds to take even one trip to Aruba in over 20 years. Not one. So your path to releasing your internal hatred on the world is this case. Your chance to strike out at all those that knocked your ass into the ground time and time again. You take out your hostilities on Beth. The same woman that should have knocked your teeth out when she had the chance.
You get with in arms distance of me and we’ll see what happens.
pathetic – that’s what you are.
Too bad the people carrying around the tote bags didn’t protest….so I wonder how they notified people not to bring them inside….Aruba sucks!!!
I’m glad someone had the guts to go up to them and ask, where is she…probably some long, tall Texan wearing his ten gallon hat, don’t mess with him or you’ll get the boot!!! Actually, this just made Aruba look even worse, trying to cover-up what happened to Natalee, gave people even more to talk about.
Anxious for Dan to post his comments.
#84
#93 BRIE
The security people for the convention center told people to either leave them at the front door or turn them inside out,lol.It was too funny.At first it made me mad, but it just goes to show they cannot handle the pressure that the protesters put on the travel shows, even though we are small in numbers, our voices and our actions are LOUD! I was very happy to participate in the protest with such wonderful people by my side and for such a good cause.
Bob, #84
I guess that’s why National Geographic Traveler called Aruba’s downtown “tacky.”
Also gave Aruba a poor rating, which was the category of
“in serious trouble.”
Also pointed out Aruba’s traffic congestion and stated there’s no ‘there’ there. (lack of cultural interest)
Nothing but casinos, sand, and sun.
Aruba is nothing special.
Charlie Rat is obsessed with the boycott.
In New York, the booth right across the aisle from Aruba was hopping with visitors.
But not so at the Aruba Booth. LOLOL
Well again Aruba pulled one off, this time at the trade show, preventing the tote bags inside, those slimy sub-humans and now we hear that was illegal unless they ban all tote bags….that can’t happen because everybody passes out those tote bags, whether they are cloth, vinyl, plastic, doesn’t matter, people need those bags to carry their literature and anything else the booths pass out. Well, next time we will be prepared, you can count on that. Winning, crying losers, keep causing trouble and you will be banned from the travel shows but our protesters won’t.
what have you all heard about a book called “no evidence of a crime”….ill check back later…tornado watch…need to turn off computer before it gets flamed
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SM: That is an online book of nothing more than news clips and videos. It is being compiled by a poster by the name of Medleyrelay who is a defender of the Sloots (klaasend)
Laura…I’m happy that 8 people were able to attend, God Bless You, even though not great in number, that’s OK because you represented the voice of many, many people. Hey, 8′s better than 7. Besides that I think 8 people was a pretty good turn out. And next time we will be prepared in response to the tote bags. Little did we know that what they pulled off was illegal. Aruba probably made threats as usual. And security didn’t know what the law was either. Bring a lawsuit against them for interfering. We ought to do a headliner about that one. What they did was sneaky. They are making a lot of people mad. Maybe someone will accidentally knock their table over or maybe spill a drink on all their literature. Leave brochures on their table visiting other destinations. HaHa!
I really have to laugh….sounds like Aruba is losing their minds at these travel shows. I bet security thought Aruba was a real pain in the butt. That’s not what they were there for. Suppose to supplying security not watching for tote bags.
Maybe we could get word out to O’Reilly, he’s for the boycott, let him know what Aruba did or even Nancy Grace….Aruba and their injustice, it’s bad enough on their own island but now they bring it over here. What they did was illegal!!!!
Aruba all along has tried to drag this out until people would go away. It’s always been the strategy. Add a new person once and awhile and back to dragging it out. This case could’ve been solved within a week when it happened, if they truly wanted to.. First, you look to means, motive and opportunity, then the demeanor of the people involved,, and you clear them and move on. 3 years later, nothing to clear any of the 3. No alibis that check out..lie after lie, not one person has seen Natalee since she was in the car leaving Carlos n Charlies with Deepak Kalpoe, Satish, Kalpoe.. No evidence they ever went to the beach. One does not make up a million lies unless they have something to hide. One does not sit around and shake on tv describing how a missing person looked dying. Where in the world did common sense go to?
Aruba had no plans to solve this case or bring justice.. If they did, they would not have paid so many liars to put out false information. They would’ve brought some serious investigators in right off, like Scotland Yard, like Interpol, like the FBI, not friends of the family to pretend to conduct an investigation while ignoring the obvious. Is there anyone, anywhere who can investigate this group of “so called cops” and this investigation? Just the conflicts of interest should alarm someone. Not to mention so called newspaper reporters taking tips and sending a family out on wild goose chases to crackhouses.
Anyone with half a brain could’ve solved this right off. Get rid of evidence by not investigating, and drag it out, then say there is no evidence.. Stuck on Stupid! I say bring it on too, would love to see all these people under oath. They’ve known all along what happened to Natalee… Duh! 3 guys go out at closing time and move in on an intoxicated girl, taking her to a side bar on her way out and buying her what he likes 75 proof alcohol..and she’s never seen again and they lie, lie, lie and still continue to lie, lie, lie and none have any alibis that check out during that time, no proof Natalee was on the beach, no proof Natalee wanted to go, and one does not disappear on an island that small with no passport, no money, no phone, no food, no clothing, no transportation. Not only that you have to watch the main suspect lying in one interview changing his story every few months even imitating this so called missing person and what she looked like dying..
Only thing Aruba is mad about is they got caught, just like the suspects in the world media. They thought this would be a little 3rd page story on some newspaper for a couple days. Sure they will take the Columbians money, they will take anyone’s money,It’s always been about money to them, after all they took Natalee’s and overnight tried to turn her into That girl who was a slut and a drunk..Sorry Aruba, it didn’t work..Even the retired cop I know who went there says,…cover up.. Anyone with half a brain knows who is responsible for what happened to Natalee.
“Sounds like Aruba is losing their minds at these travel shows.”
Yes, they are desperate. LOLOL
To those who say “What about the innocent Arubans affected by the boycott?”
Newflash! Take your argument to Joran, his accomplices, and the corrupt authorities in Aruba.
#104 should read “Newsflash” but you get my point.
Your argument holds no water here–blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada
Complain to the people who caused the mess in Aruba.
And it IS a mess.
…and anotherrrrr thing!
Hans Mos – Aruban Prosecutor
is he not a flaming pu$$-ket,
or what?
…
Elmo just sayin’
It’s time to drive a stake into the groud.
Washington’s travel show ought to be a beauty. In case Aruba is unaware….Washington, DC is a “Federal Town”. They go the extra mile.
Foreigners need to be very careful about “baning” anything in a public building, especially if a paid admission ticket was used to gain entrance.
Perhaps it’s time to sharpen the wooden stakes, and drive one into the ground. Future travel shows need a model and Washington is an excellent place to legislate the future.
Brie…After the travel show,Dan spoke to the guy in charge of the event and he said that Aruba had complained all day about the protesters, but he told them there was nothing he could do, because we had the right to be out there, we were peaceful and we were not breaking the law. So it was getting under their skin in a big way!
i just came from the “boycott aruba” justice for natalee website….i went to the petition to sign and view the signatures…..there are people posting remarks like “I love aruba” “aruba is the best” and signing names like gabe, sebastian, jose, tata. is that our old friend gabriel? and i believe sebastian is jorans little brother’s name. AND to top it off an ad for aruba 75% off vacation to go packages pops up right in the middle of the petition. why do these people pick places like a boycott aruba petition to show their ignorance?
Poor Charlie Rat doesn’t know his Joranus from his elbow!
Or is that his Paulus?
Aruba is hurting…so look to the source of your problem…Joran and Justice for Natalee….how long does it take to pound this into their heads…just solve the case…you have judges that don’t belong on the case and the damage goes on…arrest Paulus and Joran and the Kalpoes in a court a law…..and get the job done…they did it!!!!
A BIG THANK YOU to those of you who took time out of your personal lives to be a voice for Natalee this weekend in Houston! I’m so glad that the tote bags are causing Aruba so many problems. It makes my day to know that they were so upset. HEY GUESS WHAT ARUBA…WE’VE BEEN UPSET ABOUT THE BLATENT DISREGARD FOR A YOUNG AMERICAN’S LIFE AND THE TREATMENT OF HER PARENTS FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS! Karma is a bitch! Get used to it because we aren’t going anywhere! NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE…NO TOURISTS FOR ARUBA!
waterboy, are you around? try to pull up aruba interactive map, i would give the the url but now being a sofware person, afraid it would blow the margins…wonder why that happens anyway…i can type in this little box and the margins are auto matic but if you type a url, it does not recognize when the margin is supposed to end???
anyway, waterboy, i think the map will give you a better respective of where everything is.
i meant of course, a better perspective….
I am all for extraditing Joran to the US..let’s just do it….send him over …he is destroying your Dutch island along with his father…
Very interesting 2nd picture SS.I wonder who’s boat that is and I wonder why that picture is the only tiny picture.
SS on March 30th, 2008 2:38 pm
Always 1
Here are some interesting photographs of Andraes and Michael on the Marriott beach and with the water sports boats.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517823511081195246DXmKpy
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517825126081195246HGiAZe
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1517824994081195246EMnqps
Bob #84,
Great post. Let me add a few things. Why will Natalee’s murder never be solved? Because exposing Natalee’s killers would mean exposing the mafia that controls Aruba. Gambling, drugs, pornography, snuff films… That is Aruba.
#119
Hi Smish!
Always 1 was asking about the mysterious A.B.
That was a great post Bob,thank you!
Bob on March 31st, 2008 10:29 am
Too bad for Aruba……they coulda’ been a contenda, but they kept screwing up.
In my personal and business travels in and out of this country, I’ve been to some of the most elite parts of a country as well as it’s worse parts. Surely every country has both, we have.
For an island such as Aruba, that has absolutely nothing going for itself other than a few miles of semi-acceptable sandy beaches and sun, you’d think the government would work hard as heck to present the best image to the outside world as possible in oder to draw visitors. Ain’t happened.
When you walk around “town” to do a little shopping, there are at best 2-3 small blocks where shops and neighborhood are acceptable. Walk over 1-2 blocks out of the main streets, you’d swear you were in Tijuana, Mexico. Busted up sidewalks ( if there are any ), pothole streets, rotted garbage in overflowing trash pails, and worse. Of particular note are dead and rotting dogs. Pitiful. When you do walk down the 2 main shopping streets, a never ending parade of local imbecilles creep along the street blaring radios and reving rusted cars in the hopes that someone will notice them. Lord knows why.
Years ago someone decided to explore whether they could lure tourists to a moderately priced sand bar. It did work in the begining. Then a few corporations did what they do best: make a ’show’, invest nothing, contribut nothing, and syphon off every bit of profit they could. Locals were promised the moon, they got little or nothing. They started to slide backwards, faster and faster, and like a snowball running downhill, it just picked up steam. The island became over built and suddenly everyone had visions of wealth with no effort expended. Youths became arrogant and restless. Then as times got really ragged, poor Natalee visited with her classmates.
It was the perfect storm….all events rushing towards eachother at the same moment. BOOM! Instead of taking the lead and stepping up to show the world they were still viable……they fell into the abbyss of the unintelligent. Now they pay the price…they will never advance to gain respect any longer. They’ve lost the fight for tourism dollars. They coulda’ been a contenda’. No more.
#82 Sweet Thang, so funny! I got a new name for Joran too. Big Foot Van der Sloot. He does wear those size 14′s, and like Bigfoot, nobody is getting any sightings???
OMG….I got the sum of 0 and 0=0 wrong so my post went poof lol
Anyway,
Hi SS!LTNS
I really wish that boat ride image could be blown up so we can see who’s boat it is,Micheal Dumpig’s or Andraes(do you know his last name?)or if it’s a rental.
0+0 really does =0!
#94
I’m still not convinced she was shaking.
We only have Joran’s word on that one…
and we know how valuable that is.
—
She got a head wound in there somewhere!
*** Joran’s told us some of what she was saying
and doing.
PUT ME DOWN, PUT ME DOWN.
Deepak talks about RED HANDS (bloody hands)
*foot note- emails to Betty.
SNEAKERS:
You can’t wash sneakers after you’ve just
murdered someone, & the blood is spattered
all over them. He ditched the shoes quickly.
He knew he’d be in the pokey quite awhile
if ALE Forensics processed those suckers.
Only Mr. Rogers and the Skipper from Gilligan’s
Island had shoes that you could wash.
Were those not the gayest tennis shoes
you have ever seen? You’d really have
to look long and hard to find a pair
of sneaks gayer than those.
-j4n
brie #99: You wouldn’t believe how many tote bags some people came out of the show with. They must have visited every table. So our Natalee bags should have been allowed. And yup, free speech, free country, Aruba couldn’t get rid of us……….and we weren’t leaving. You should have seen Lynn’s wife holding her sign up in the air so that it could be seen over the security guards. SM people were awesome at the show.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
LOLOL. Yes, Laura and I were wishing that Joran VenerealDiseaseSloot would show up at the Trade Show so that we could deck him and show him some good ole Texas whoop ‘em up!!!!
boycott aruba
molly in houston
Did Hans Mos ever tell why he is not prosecuting all the liars who lied in their witness statements? I thought you could lie as a suspect but not as a witness. Seems they all would be jailed for lying, including Paulus. Or is this just a gift from Hans to Paulus for future considerations.
I’m pleased to hear from CharlieRat that his e-mail discourse with Vicki was civil.
My understanding, and it might be wrong, is that CharlieRat lives in Birmingham, Alabama. (I apologize in advance if I am wrong.) Ironic, eh?
One wonders if he is in communication with Koen Gottenbos in Georgia … for all that I know, or care, he may BE Koen Gottenbos in Georgia.
Anyway, Mr. Rat has been answered. Please feel free to address to us any more questions about the need for, or the legitimacy of, the boycott.
Perhaps Mr. Rat could achieve more by asking the Aruban government why it is so determined to try to squelch free speech in this country. Or, for that matter, why it can’t seem to accomplish anything in Natalee’s case.
Some say that eight people leading a protest isn’t very many.
Those people should be aware that at one point in the 1930s, the National Socialism party in Germany, later to be known better as the Nazis, consisted of … FOUR people.
Now, no Natalee supporters have anything to do with the advocates of Adolf Hitler … though, judging from Karin Janssen’s letter to our State Department, that maniac seems to be of particular interest to the Aruban government.
But to say that a movement has little significance because the number of its leaders is small ignores the Biblical proverb about great oaks and little acorns.
What matters is how people “vote with their feet,” as the saying goes. Judging from the squealing we hear from Aruba, the voting is decidedly in our favor.
always 1,
I’m not on too much. I’ve been working too hard and too much.
I think this is the virtual reality tour you are talking about. I can’t believe anyone remembers that far back.
http://www.aruba.com/about/vrtour.php
If you click on a location on the map, it gives you a panoramic view. You may need Quick Time to view it.
I guess that is what you mean. If not repeat your question. I’ll find it the next time I get on.
Jerry
SS
Ask your question about A.B when crossbow is on sometime, I think he knows who you are talking about. Andrea ? I think. Ask him. He knows.
Jerry
SS
Crossbow has a whole scenario about Andrea. He thinks he is the one who placed the cross on the beach, the one with a conscious. I can’t remember all the details.
Ask him.
Jerry
“Some say that eight people leading a protest isn’t very many.”
Well now, eight people can do a lot of damage for the right cause. I think we can all remember how effective 185 Texans and volunteers were against 7,000 charging Mexicans at the Alamo. No doubt about it, it’s amazing what even one person can do. The last defender was by the name of Jeb Hallow, a Kentuckian who was half blind. As the final wave of Mexicans stormed through the crumbling adobe mission, old Jeb was the last American still firing pistols with both hands, until run through with a rusty bayonett. In the final moments Jeb killed 9 of the soldiers singlehandly.
Never think one or just a few can’t make a difference. At the Alamo it was for freedom. At the Houston travel show it was for Natalee.
Aruba will never get it, that’s why we will win.
Richard – You know how the saying goes…”Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill.”
So childish lately…
Speaking of childish…Brie, when you said “Well, next time we will be prepared, you can count on that.” who did the “we” refer to? You’ve done nada so why did you use “we”?
I wonder when we are going to hear from Dan about the travel show…..
Deepak said to arrest Koen and Sander but wouldn’t say anymore or even give a hint if the truth was still hanging out there….I believe the Gottenbos boat was used to take Natalee out to sea….they didn’t want their sons prosecuted so they sold the house and the boat and left the island. Pretty clear to me……plus Koen was a dead give away…peeing in his pants!!!
sm, i was back reading simion again and i gather some thought he was Joran….is that right???and if so when he quit talking because shando started talking,then who was shando???? they say joran talks but the brothers dont talk…and if simion was joran then he says the 5th suspect, the guy with mental problems killed nh…..
#134…we is used because we are all part of what is happening…you are damn dumb…..insulting and ignorant….a troll at best….get lost you freakin’ a~~hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brie…I was supposed to be one of the ones taking pictures at the travel show, and i didnt do very good.I was only able to take 4 pictures, because once we got started handing out fliers and tote bags and talking to so many people, I wasnt even thinking about pictures.Mollys daughter took quite a few and i dont know if she has sent them to Dan yet or not.I sent the 4 i took to him tonight.Have you ever been to one of the protests? Its crazy!!! Dan told me tonight that the eight of us handed out between 600-700 fliers and 125 tote bags, so we were very busy.
We received alot of good comments about what we were doing and people said stuff like “dont worry, im not going to aruba” and some were just kind enough to give us a simple thumbs up. It was a wonderful feeling being there and meeting some of the people that i’ve seen posting here for the past 3 years. If anyone gets the chance to protest, do it!!! It will really warm your heart.
I will do it again if i get the chance. They need to have a travel show in Dallas so I dont have so far to drive,lol.
Eight people with hundreds of flyers and giveaways.
Eight people with signs that everyone passing by sees.
#140- I think we showed aruba that this case is not going away.I still laugh my a$$ off when i think about how pissed they were and complaining all day to the guy in charge of the travel show. But the best part was the tote bag deal.Every table had their own bags, but aruba only bitched about the Natalee totes.I think we struck a nerve on saturday. It was GREAT!!!
then sm, shock the monkey starts talking and he/she said that joran did it…who was shock the monkey and how do people change their id without you knowing who they are????did those tapes ever go to the FBI?????what does ping mean??>?
Arrest Paulus for smuggling a cell phone into jail…..disbar him and arrest Anita for being an accomplice for aiding Joran in his lies….
#139…Laura….I think you guys did a great job! I’m sure you struck a really big nerve, that’s what they get for promoting travel to Aruba, it’s all about justice for Natalee….they just don’t get it!!!
Yo, Philadephia ambulance chaser
How’s that threatened lawsuit sent to Greta and the U.S. media workin’ out? Why don’t cha’ send AHATA back their $ 14 filing fee or just donate it down at the Soup Kitchen on 16th Street. Think American, decide American, vacation in America. But as always BOYCOTT ARUBA.
And since we’re thinking about “rights”…the right of Aruba to rent a booth at a travel show to advertise their Island, the right of vacationing tourists (like natalee) who do so with the expectation of being provided safety by the destination visited, and the rights of a lawful Americans in their own country to express their right to free speach and silent protest….why would any Travel show security employee question or direct a paid visitor to that show not to either carry a tote bag to gather brochures or wear a particular piece of clothing with a logo-photo-or message printed on it?
Seems to me that short of standing directly in front of the Aruba booth, as a distraction, it should be an issue of personal choice and expression of FREE SPEACH to carry or wear whatever we as Americans choose, in America. It should be no different than wearing a sweatshirt that has a NY Yankees, Chevrolet, or any other logo. Just walking around a Travel show gathering brochures, etc., should not be dependent on what a guest wears.
I think it’s time to contact an attorney regarding visitors rights and free speach expression. You push – we shove.
BOYCOTT ARUBA – BOYCOTT ARUBA – BOYCOTT ARUBA
if in usa there are laws,protesters should be arrested…
You guys should get over this,its over…
get on with your lives….do something positive..
charly in paradise, one happy island….
Aruba is full of north americans, south americans,europeans, enjoying there vacation
on the safest island in the caribbean…
everyday 3-5 mega cruise ships in harbour….
a couple of americans cant travel, thanks to bush.NO MONEY – NO VACATION.
this has nothing to do with nh.
THOUSANDS OF EUROPEANS COMING IN …..
FOR EVERY 100 EUROS THEY GET ALMOST 300 FLORINS,
EVERYTHING IS SO CHEAP IN ARUBA…
HOUSES,CONDOS,TIMESHARES….
THEY LOVE IT..
#147
“If in usa there are laws, protesters should be arrested…”
———
Charly, your post is so stupid that I am not sure if it is a joke or for real. Just in case it’s a real post, I will respond.
Peaceful protest is a protected right in the US, you fool.
Aruba tourism is finding out the hard way that they are NOT in Aruba but in the United States at these travel shows.
As long as protesters have permission and obey the law,
the police have no reason to arrest.
At each travel show, protesters have both had permission and respected the law.
Even still, Aruba couldn’t handle it and had to falsely accuse in Boston. Some pathetic sissy at the tourism booth lied about the protesters but his stupid game plan didn’t work. Authorities backed the protesters and let them continue.
Aruba can’t handle the truth.
#147
Charly…you got one thing right, it is over, YOUR TOURISM,YOU STUPID F****R!!!
IF the boycott wasn’t working, Aruba would not be upset with protesters outside. IF 8 people has no affect, Aruba would not have been whining all day and getting little tote bags banned.
The Houston 8 need to know they, like other groups in other cities, did a wonderful job and really pissed Aruba off!
Keep it up monkeys. Doesn’t make a difference if it’s 3, 8 or 80 – the protests are making people aware.
When we travel, we often get in discussions with out table mates about where we’ve gone, where we want to go. I educate 6 to 8 people at a time as to why Aruba is a bad choice. Every little bit helps.
Protesters should not be backed but thrown in jail….obstruction of peace….for other visitors.
JUSTICE FOR NALALEE
CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT
GOOD JOB
GOD BLESS
of the whole usa only 4 or 8 protesters?
COME ON-ITS OVER.
I am against the boycott
but mostly because we (Holland) will have to pay up.
There should be a deep investigation into the Aruban judicial and police deparments.
Charly thinks that cheap prices on timeshares in Aruba is good for Aruba. hahahahahahaha
The only “obstruction of peace” was committed by an Aruba Tourism employee who seized a tote bag from a paying patron to the show. Foolish, foolish move to hassle a customer at the show. That’s definitely out-of-bounds behavior.
Here’s one thing YOU need to get over. Natalee’s case is not fading and we supporters will continue to stand up for her until she gets JUSTICE. And there’s not ONE thing you can do to stop it.
So, get over it, Charly.
This will be my last response to you.
some gotta win, some gotta lose, good time charleys got the blues…..
#155 dolf…..i’ve always been curious to know what the dutch peoples think about this mess in aruba and about the VDS family. why HASN’T there been a deep investigation by your dutch government? perhaps, dutch citizens such as yourself who agree that there is coverup and corruption should write to your queen bea.
Let me try again.
I just finished reading Dave Holloway’s book again. It is unbelievable that after all this time, it is the same ol thing, making them go around in circles, chasing their tales.
Anyway, # 132, it said in the book that a woman who owned a time-share on the island put the cross on the beach that had the initials NH and the rosary beads. The woman came to Dave and told him.
CHARLY, YOU MUST BE REAL HUNGRY FOR BREAD BY NOW.
IT’S NOT OVER SON. YOUR BOY & DAD WILL PAY IN DUE TIME.
I read beth’s book in one day and have ordered Dave’s book.
Have any of you heard that anita also has written a book..
geez to tell us what a good son she has…I am glad that her and her corrupt husband had no daughters.. they probably would have sold them for a good price..
Charly…. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
They should arrest and lock you up for stupidity.
Julia, oh, Julia, have you apologized yet?
is there a way to know when monkeys post without having to type it in, remember the number of posts or go down the whole thing????an rss feed doesnt do it????anybody???
Folks, news today suggests that the June protest against Aruba could be the most dramatic and effective one we’ve seen yet.
This news doesn’t pertain to Natalee’s case, unfortunately, but to something else I won’t go into.
If you have the opportunity to give some time to effective action on behalf of Natalee, or to support those who do, please send a note off to JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com. More info will be provided.
No justice for Natalee … no tourism for Aruba.
Dolf (#155) … So you’re worried that the Dutch will have to pay something?
What about the price that Beth, Dave, and Matt Holloway, not to mention other family members, have paid?
What about the price the AMERICAN volunteers who searched the landfill, plumbed the ocean depths, spent time on the Persistence, donated to help that cause, or (on a much lesser scale) have given time, money, and effort to spread the boycott message to the world?
And you are worried that the Netherlands might lose a few euros in this?
Open your famous dikes, let the tulips and windmills be flooded into the North Sea.
If I had my way, every penny (not to mention damages) of the monies that have been spent on the search efforts in this case would be paid by THE DUTCH and THE ARUBANS …
but as it is, Americans are doing the work that your corrupt police should have done.
I guess you want Arubans to keep profiteering off the Americans at whom they sneer.
Take your Arubans and … well, the rest won’t get posted. We do have standards here, after all.
remember the nov 2007 article….”Aruba get failing grade from “controversial” travel magazine by National Geographic. (That would be sarcasm.) And they wonder why in Aruba that the added “black eye” of how they handled the Natalee Holloway case only add to their less than stellar travel image? National Geographic is hardly a group with a vendetta. Of course Aruba tourism officials will accuse them of something. The National Geographic will be to blame, isn’t that the MO?”
Aruba
Score: 54
• “Social/cultural integrity is questionable.”
• “Inappropriate coastal development and misuse of the scarce water resources are the largest challenges to sustainability.”
Traveler compliments Curacao and Bonaire, (But not Aruba) Amigoe
The Traveler of National Geographic is very charmed with Curacao’s historic legacy. In the picture Countryhouse Jan Kok.
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD –” Although the tourism is growing in Aruba, the rumours about this island are not everywhere positive. Based on 522 consulted experts, the illustrious travel magazine Traveler of National Geographic published the list of the best and worse island destinations.
Aruba ended up worse than three years ago: with a score of 48 versus 54 points in 2004, Aruba is in the category ‘in serious trouble’. Traveler writes in a comment that the ‘massive high-rise hotels at the west coast of the island, have led to serious traffic jams’. The magazine considers the hotels’ big dependency on foreign workers and the influence of the cruise ships on Oranjestad, a minus. Because of this, Oranjestad has changed into a harbourless town center. The magazine does not care for cruise ships anyway.”
About Aruba, the magazine mentions that the concentrated build of the high-rise hotels is indeed a good way to increase the number of bodies on the beach, with minimum consequences for the remaining space on the island. The Traveler is also positive about the way visitors are received and the National Park Arikok, but the island does not offer a diverse tourist product. “All the island has is sun-, sand-, beach-, and casino experience. The tourists do not receive any of the ecologic- and/or historic side of this destination.”
For more information, visit: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/traveler/features/islandsrated0711/islands.html
Yo Charlie….a true revelation for you to read:
let me tell you about timeshares on the Sand Bar.
In 1999 I bot a 2 week timeshare at La Cabana for $ 7,800. As soon as Aruban authorities started their obvious illegal investigation and coverup, my accountant recommended that I sell it as it was his opinion that values would drop as the World got news of the Natalee story. In early 2006 those 2 prime weeks were worth $13,500, and for a quick sale, we sold it for $13,100. The same room facing the ocean was listed for sale on the owners board this past February for $5,200.
Yah think it had anything to do with Jorans televised confession, or the smart looking investigation job run by the Aruba Keystone Cops?
When & if the room is still available for sale at $2,000 in future, I might place a bid on it. Until then, I wouldn’t return to Aruba for free.
Oh yes, it’s not the 8 protesters, or the 80 that didn’t attend, it’s the fact that the Houston 8 represented thousands who could not attend.
#138 Brie – what’s your part again? Refresh my memory.
Sorry Charley!
Can’t get over a human life being tossed
in the trash. JUST CANNOT DO IT!
When I found Natalee lying in the bottom
of the basin – beaten & shot right between the
eyes… I pledged to her that I will never stop
until she gets justice.
If I can, I’ll economically level the entire
damn island to the ground.
Until Natalee gets her justice…
I’m gonna be your worst f****** nightmare.
… and there are thousands & thousands just like
me, who feel the same way. So strap on
your hard hat you little American hating bitch,
because it is gonna be one long bumpy ride!
***
-Justice for Natalee
http://tinyurl.com/2lpflb
EIGHT Protestors, in Houston alone, represents approximately 8,000 people. Congress regards every phone call on an issue to represent 1,000.
Therefore, I think that our 8 Houston protestors were worth a lot. Given all the positive comments that we receive, there were a lot of like minded people right there on the same sidewalk as we were. So I don’t mind that there were EIGHT of us. I hope this thing keeps growing and there will be 15-20 people at trade show protests.
boycott aruba (it’s working)
molly in houston
Why waste your time and energy on trolls?? They can’t spell or correctly construct a sentence. They also don’t know what they are talking about. It could be that one of the people who worked the Aruba table at the trade show has gotten on here to bother everyone. The only way for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing. Scared Monkeys are doing something………AND it is working.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
As the commercial says: “Sorry Charlie, only the best Tuna gets to be Monkey Kissed.” All Monkeys are Stars. :~))
carpe, when you say you found nh with injury in head, what do you mean…i have looked at the picture but i dont see it that clearly….
yo yo, none of my business, but how do you know brie has done nothing????
I mean precisely what I said,
and am sorry that you
can’t see it.
CHARLY
When you are in our country you need to respect our laws.. we can boycott if we wish..WE DONT DO COVER UPS..SO JUST KNOW THAT.. supposedly we wear natalie tshirts and sweaters … to the travel shows.. what are they going to do makes us take them and run around tople of you that went to the boycotts ..you should maybe find out our rights what we can do..these idiots from aruba are on american soil… trying to keep us from doing THE BOYCOTT’s they are intruders … visitors… go to other countries and peddle your island…my thought is this…… SINCE I CANT BE THERE IN THE FLESH TO HELP IN THE PROPTEST.. I SUPPORT WITH MONEY… PROUD TO BE PART OF THE TEAM ….IF … ever theres a protest in the bay area.. SAN FRANCISCO.. i WOULD LOVE TO BE THERE.. i AM OUTSPOKEN AND WILL NOT LET ANYONE INTIMIDATE ME… I WILL FIGHT FOR NATALLEE… SHORT OF GOING TO JAIL LOL
…and again.
http://tinyurl.com/yv3pv4
http://tinyurl.com/2jtycg
me too, carpe….i see the body but not the head injury …..and i have to say, i have never had such respect for a seemely young person such as yourself to have such compassion for someone else …..and for so long a time….i am awed by you….
They beat our baby.
Cut her on the left side of her face.
and shot her dead center of the forehead.
All my stuff comes from ARU/CHI 17/24
at 2:47 time.
http://tinyurl.com/2re7dw
http://tinyurl.com/3964fq
http://tinyurl.com/2tcyns
Charley, it’s not over until the fat lady sings. Just waiting for Anita to sing like a canary!
hi
Carpe,
Interesting, if your lines of trajectory are correct, then what position was Natalee in when she was shot, and where was the killer?
http://tinyurl.com/3964fq
Answer—1. Natalee was standing, and the killer was laying on the ground, or 2. Natalee was laying on the ground face up and the killer extended his weapon and fired at her from a distance of about 3 or 4 feet.
I’ll bet money the firearm was a .38 special +P or a .357 mag. You can fire .38 special through a .357 mag. but not the other way around.
I’ve lost my sense of sensitivity. I apologize to all. I’m going to post this anyway. I’m sorry.
Jerry
carpe
I have a question for you . I f you will be kind enough to answer me.
you said natalee was shot… and another question did they not announce that they had her body and than they recanted it…I am new to this so I am just picking up bits and pieces
thanks Katie
lol kiltie
the fat lady with the see through blouses… is that sick or what.
another question if that was her near the rock where those men were at.. could it be possible that they painted the rock and any kind of DNA there was.?
misskatie,
Yes.
Jerry
well if cvg worked for security for the hotel and the island, did they carry guns…
thanks jerry
Thats so sad.. heartless sob’s they are
misskate,carpe answered you on the other letter about no body no crime….
does anyone know if shango simion shock the monkey checkmate and the others still read scared monkeys or if they have gone to other blogs….
Anybody there? It’s 11.45 am overhere in Holland.
Perhaps a vieuw in thinking of some top-guys who I followed as a not knowing person in this terrible three year during case of Natalee will help… but that doesn’t save the problem of our missin’little girl. Even all the possebillities: it always will hurt!
Jerry – I haven’t squared that up in my brain
just yet. *** She may have been lying
on her back.
Her wounds are mainly on the left side of her face.
The bullet trajectory is on an angle from her left
to right / our right to keft) Whomever did it, seems
to me they’re right handed.
—
… one of these days, Norton,,, ONE OF THESSSE DAYSSS… Joran is going to pull some $h*t on the
wrong person, and they will stuff his a$$. Then
they will hang that silly little coward twat right over the fireplace mantle, much like they do with deer antlers.
That SOB is in dire need of an attitude adjustment.
This is what our Natalee
got to see before she was
***murdered by Joran
Vanderloot, Dirt-pack
& Satish, the
ALPO brothers.
http://tinyurl.com/2z4zvm
She must have been terrified and confused. I think
we all need to work just a little bit harder to make sure Joran knows how that feels. We really need to
put him in touch with his “inner a$$hole.”
Apparently Anita’s Yoga
instructor is not gettin’
the jobe done.
#184
and another question did they not announce that they had her body and than they recanted it
—
Miss Katie… yes. AP said that he confessed & was leading FIVE-OH to wherever the body was stashed.
Over that weekend, it unraveled.
They’ve been backpedaling & lying ever since.
—
-j4n
always 1
thank you for
the nice words.
hi jerry
#13
most likely this one. (maybe even point blank range)
2. Natalee was laying on the ground face up and the killer extended his weapon and fired at her from a distance of about 3 or 4 feet.
NORTH AMERICANS,EUROPEANS AND SOUTH AMERICANS
ARE BUYING PROPERTIES EVERYDAY IN ARUBA,
HOUSES,CONDOS,TIMESHARES…ECT.
WHY? CAUSE THEY ARE SMART…
BESIDE HAVING A GOOD TIME…THEY ARE INVESTING
IN THE FUTURE….$$$
EXPL; EUROPEAN UNIONS ECONOMY IS GOING UP EVERY SINGLE DAY….
USA ECONOMY IS GOING DOWN EVERY SINGLE DAY…
ARUBA IS LITTLE EUROPE WITH SUNSHINE, EVERY DAY..
WHAT YOU BUY NOW, YOU CAN SELL IF YOU WISH,FOR DOUBLE THE PRICE IN JUST 5 YEARS….
IF YOU ARE AFTER MONEY…DO THAT…IF YOU WANT YOUR PIECE OF MIND….RELAX…ENJOY…
YOU WILL NEVER SELL YOUR PROPERTY IN PARADISE…
FOR THE 4-8 ASKING FOR BOYCOTT;
JOYCE APOSTOLOU
MAKAYLA CHRISTY
WINKLER
OLD WILLIAM BEN OWNBY
DANYELLE MAY HAWKINS
ECT..ECT…ECT
EVERYDAY …NEW NAMES..
WHY DONT YOU PROTEST AGAINST THE FACT THAT IN
NEARLY EVERY STREET IN THE USA THERE IS A MURDERER, A RAPIST, A PRIEST, A LUNATIC, A THIEF,
A DRUGDEALER, A DRUGUSER,ECT..ECT..
LIVING RIGHT IN THE SAME STREET AS YOU DO….
POLICE AND JUSTICE SYSTEM KNOW THIS…DONT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT….
ARE THEY PROTECTING THE US CITIZENS…????
YOU WOULD SAY ; LETS BOYCOTT THE USA…
I WOULD SAY LETS FIND A SOLUTION….. FOR THIS WORLD…PROBLEM..!!!
this is the one and only reason Alan Greenspan will be the guest speaker at the Caribbean Trade Show in June at the Ronald Reagan Bldg….
“NEW YORK/WASHINGTON – Alan Greenspan is set to join the elite group of luminaries who command a SIX -FIGURE fee for an after-dinner speech when he steps down as chairman of the Federal Reserve at the end of this month.
With requests for speaking engagements piling up at the Fed, Greenspan is expected to become a star client of the Washington Speakers Bureau, according to sources in the U.S. event management industry.”
there’s more to the story from MSNBC business page but you can see the six figure fee is surely the reason he will speak at this trade show that is promoting aruba along with other caribbean islands. it may or may not help, but i’m compiling a history of natalees case, complete with timeline and articles i’ve collected (it probably weighs a pound) but i’m mailing it to him. what’s some paper and postage if it will strike a chord with him. who know’s?
@158
IMO the Dutch couldn’t care less about the VDS family. Nobody talks about the case anymore.
Although probably everyone thinks that Joran is a freaking lunatic there are not a lot of people here who believe in a cover up or that Paul and/or Anita were involved in the dissapearance of Natalee.
Incompetence; definitely. Corruption; probably
However -for the 100st time – Aruba is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands but has a status aparte. The Netherlands don’t have unlimited authority to influence the politics/systems at Aruba. Furthermore, the only reason the Dutch government is still paying the Antilles is because the treaty between both countries cannot be terminated unilaterally.
And, regarding Queen Beatrix, she doesn’t have any political power whatsoever.
#197
Desperately posting in all caps.
We will still ignore your posts.
Nothing you can write will stop the boycott.
It rolls on! In fact, it’s getting stronger.
Get over it, Charly.
No Justice for Natalee/No Tourists for Aruba
thank you #200, appreciate the insight. i figured as much. kindly meant.
amsterdam;..ARUBAS JUSTICE SYSTEM TILL CERTAIN LEVEL IS IN OUR HANDS,OUR STATUS APARTE,BUT AT A HIGHER LEVEL
IS IN HANDS OF NETHERLANDS,SAME AS DEFENSE…
ALL PERSONS INVOLVED IN NH CASE ARE DUTCHIES,MACAMBAS OR DUTCHMEN BORN IN HOLLAND OR
THE NETHERLANDS….AT THE MOMENT ALL IN HOLLAND.
NO ARUBANS , BORN IN ARUBA , INVOLVED….
ITS CLEAR THAT HOLLAND OR THE NETHERLANDS MUST
WORK AND SOLVE THIS CASE….THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
HISTORY; ARUBA NEVER ASKED TO BE PART OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS…..
WE WERE TAKEN…..ROBBED OF OUR GOLD….BY DUTH PIRATES….
BEA AND ALL BEFORE HER, RIDE A GOLDEN WAGON, PURE
GOLD, DE GOUDEN KOETS, MADE OF ARUBAN GOLD.
CHECK OUT ,WHERE IN HOLLAND THERE IS ONE GRAM OF GOLD TO BE FOUND….NO WHERE…
JUST KEEP PAYING BILLS….
THE ONLY TRUTH IN YOU COMMENT IS; THE TREATY BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES CANNOT, REPEAT CANNOT BE TERMINATED,UNILATERALY….
THANKS TO BETICO….
MY QUESTION IS WHY CANT I SEE NOTHING BUT NATALIES HEAD IN THE VIDEO..THE REST IS A BLUR
Again-
They beat the sh** out of her.
(a defenseless drunken & drugged 105 pound sweetheart in a skirt & flip flops)
They cut her face.
Then they shot her right in the middle of the head.
http://tinyurl.com/jljbv
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The only justice Natalee Ann will ever get from Aruba, is that her fellow American’s stand up for her… and not even so much as SHOOT A FART in Aruba’s GENERALLLLLLL DIRECTION!!!!!!!!
They f-ing beat her, they cut her, and they blew our baby’s head off. From day 1, they never had any intentions of solving the case. That has been thoroughly documented in the media. 1,040-ish days later still nothing.
EVEN AFTER ALL THE CORRUPTION WE’VE UNCOVERED.
EVEN AFTER A CONFESSION.
Aruba & the Nederlands are still playing hot potato,
and pulling themselves.
Hopefully, some nutter will shoot ‘em or CHOOSE A NAME their MFn houses to the ground?
Screw the Arubian idiot. Without American tourists
ARUBA IS TOAST. It is our only route left, because
they’ve taken away any legal channels whatsoever
to get justice for our girl NATALEE.
I was thinking yesterday, that I now love & respect
Natalee even more.
WHY YOU ASK?
Because even in her drugged out haze that was brought on by JORAN VANDERSLOOT spiking her drink…
even in that state, she had enough brain cells working to know that she’d rather fight to the death, than have to have sex with those 3 pieces
of human garbage. Natalee if you’re up there reading this post today…
YOU ARE **** THE BEST *****
-j4n
Ha.Ha. I must be losing it on sunny days. Over at Michele’s blog, one of the Houston 8 (as they will forever be known) mentioned giving out 100′s of pamphlets, tote bags, and (LOL) Natalee dollars. That made me roar! I completely forgot, but can’t figure out why. At the NY Javits Center travel show, we walked around the HUGE convention floor dropping 100′s of folded “Natalee dollars”. We saw quite a few being scooped up by visitors milling around the floor. They would stoop down to pick them up, unfold them, and read the message and view Natalee’s photo, then when they realized what the deal was, they looked around to see where the Aruba booth was, since they understood the message and intent. Everyone is aware of the Natalee story and Aruba disgrace. LOL. VERY effective!
More hillarious…..the Aruba booth countertop had piles of lg sized full color ad brochures. At the appropriate moment, (Ahem), several piles were removed from the counter, Natalee dollars were inserted, then the brochures were returned to the counter top for any passerby to take.
Imagine the surprise visitors received when they got home, opened the brochure, and found Justice for Natalee dollars inside. LOL, that really brought business in…NOT! LOL. I guess that’s why after 3 days, they mananged to book only 3 vacations in NY. LOL, nice R.O.I.
wheres michelles blog?
so did geoffry, the slow (their word) guy who worked for the security company carry a gun…his glasses were supposed to be found near the light house i believe….
so charley, you state that we should get over it ,that will never happen,we will fight for justice for Natalee Halloway and she was a human being that had her life taken from her by 3 suspects that are walking free as we speak and as long as their is no resolution from aruba in justice for Nastalee then we will protest till their is justice! I wonder if your Joran Van der sloot in disquise because he says on my space he was getting on with his lifed so other people should that were asking him qustions about Natallee on my space. as long as it takes we will keep going until their is Justice for Natalee. Sue
hey
I went to myspace and this is what I found
that piece of shit is under private only by invitation”Free Joran Vandersloot! Not Guilty!”
Male
29 years old
Spring Lake, Michigan
United States
Last Login: 4/2/2008
.. someone should lure him to talk…
Free Joran Vandersloot! Not Guilty!”
this was above
on the other cut n paste I sent you…
he also has his picture there… you have to join myspace
which I have because of my son and grandkids…
what a sorry eugly piece of chit he is
stalkin american girls on the internet again to find out who is coming to aruba… looking for a victim ya think… spoiled assss.. he hasnt lernt he is still on the loose up to his old tricks..
susan,i wonder if you are fighting hard for
justice in the case of simpson,micheal jackson,and 1 thousand more, free criminals
walking free… in the usa, just because they have money and fame..means power.
in nh case nothing has been proven; missing person.no suspects.no body.nothing, nada..
accept its over..you will have peace…
All the one’s you mentioned above went to trial!
Aruba is so corrupt & incompetent, they couldn’t
get a case to trial if they road a friggin’ Harley
right up the damn stairs of the courthouse.
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say g’night charly!
your ma said to slip into your
footie pajamas, grab yer Linus banky,
& she will read you a
niiiiiiice bedtime ‘TORY.
YAYYYYY
BOINGGGGGG
sianora a-hole!
-j4n
Oj simpson got by with murder but their families of the victims had their day in court.they also had a body to bury and knew what happen to them,even though oj got off.The halloway family got know answers from aruba.Charly your unblieveable you know the facts and you must be a fan of Joran van der sloot.I will not be at peace until I know their is some kind of answer for the halloway family.I wonder charly do you have a daughter? Put yourself in their shoes and what they have gone threw in the last 3 years.I have a granddaughter that is 19 and I have compassion that’s something your lacking.Think about it! Sue
#210…..joran’s my space says …if this is about the natalee holloway case, I had nothing to do with it. leave me and my family alone. we are trying to get on with our lives.
i’m sure they are trying to get on with THEIR lives while natalee has no life to get on with and Beth’s has been a living nightmare!!
i hope that the life they have is hell on earth and when they finally get to hell i hope they burn for eternity. they have lied and lied but the day of judgement is upon them. they will stand before their maker, God, the ultimate judge, and they will answer for their actions. there will be no lies then. God knows everything. the trap doors of hell will open up wide…..bye,bye sloots!!
BURN IN HELL SLOOTS!!!!!