Natalee Holloway: John Q. Kelly On the Record … Civil Case & Where is the Missing Statements from Joran Van der Sloot ( Aruba Cover up & Corruption)

 

 ARUBAN COVER UP AND CORRUPTION … WHERE IS JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’S 5/31/05 WITNESS STATEMENT?

John Q. Kelly briefly discusses the Dutch reporting of a civil case possible being brought against Joran Van der Sloot by the parents of missing Natalee Holloway. At the moment it appears to be a non-story as Beth Holloway has had no conversations with the attorney in question.

However, the real question that has to be answered is what part did the Aruban police take in the cover up, corruption and destruction of documents and evidence in the case of Natalee Holloway. If they covered up and destroyed the initial witness statement, what else did they subsequently destroy as well? Possibly evidence taken from Deepak’s car? Once one questions police actions … all of their actions come under scrutiny.

Since the beginning of the investigation Beth Holloway had made references to a crumpled up piece of paper on that looked like a statement that was on the desk at the police station when she spoke with the ALE discussing her Natalee’s disappearance. Scared Monkeys has always questioned why there would have been no statement from Joran Van der Sloot, yet everyone else had been questioned at the outset. Are we really supposed to believe that no witness statement existed from the #1 prime suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, who was last seen with Natalee Holloway until 6/9/05.

The very same witness statement that Joran van der Sloot actually references in his own book. The very same witness statement that most likely gives rise to a confession and admission of guilt and where the ALE knew to ask questions of seizures.

Greta: He must have told the police that first time he spoke with them because why would they have asked Jug about the shaking and the epilepsy type seizures or something? I think to myself, what are the Aruban police up to? But that is for another day.

John Q. Kelly: May 31st Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs who was taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that. The statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day we have them all. There is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

Greta: Something is funny. Something is not quite right. I would like to see our State Department get a little busy on this one. (Fox: On The Record 2/20/08)

Then there is this bit of information from Joran Van der Sloot’s book (translation) … “It is already 4 PM in the afternoon when I sign my witness statement and my father and I leave the interrogation room.”

Oh, I guess Joran Van der Sloot is lying here too?

WHAT WITNESS STATEMENT? NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN SUCH A STATEMENT! WHAT HAPPENED TO IT AND WHERE IS IT? WAS IT DESTROYED BY THE ARUBAN POLICE?

Interestingly enough we seem to have most, if not all the witness and suspect statements (HERE) from the initial parts of the investigation. All, but Joran Van der Sloot’s 5/31/05 statement that is in question. The very same one that probably tipped off the Aruban police to ask Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty about whether Natalee Holloway had a history of seizures.

From Page 111 of Joran’s book:

Tuesday May 31st 2005

Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.

Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan van der Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.

Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.

Joran calls Deepak who says, “stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come.”



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  • Natalee Holloway: New Witness in Aruba Id’s Joran Van der Sloot and Prosecution Continues the Cover Up
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  • NYC Judge dismisses the Civil Case of Natalee Holloway’s Parents




  • Comments

    161 Responses to “Natalee Holloway: John Q. Kelly On the Record … Civil Case & Where is the Missing Statements from Joran Van der Sloot ( Aruba Cover up & Corruption)”

    1. observer on February 21st, 2008 8:28 am

      Interesting. Someone once posted that in the particular legal jurisdiction in question, a civil case cannot be heard independent of a criminal case. Apparently, it is different from our legal system in the US. If that person was correct, then I suppose any talk of a possibile civil suit is moot.

    2. bleachedblack on February 21st, 2008 8:32 am

      Ask Eduardo Mathews if documents went missing during
      his trial and incarceration of over 2 years. It seems ALE has a history of eliminating documents in cases as it sees fit.

    3. hoepelman on February 21st, 2008 8:37 am

      What’s the connection between Jacobs and Vocking? Vocking has to be the one that instructed Jacobs to get rid of Joran’s initial interrogation. Vocking is the cover-up master since he changed the most crucial evidence seeking activity of the investigation. He got his friend judge to refrain ALE form accessing the main v/d Sloot house.

      Vocking is the key to uncovering the police cover-up and the worst thing is that he and the role he played, seem to be forgotten by the prosecution authorities.

    4. Miklo on February 21st, 2008 8:39 am

      What happened to Joran’s 5/31/05 statement?

      Obviously Daury, (I mean Daddy), pulled it – or had it pulled from the file and shredded!

      p.s. Van der Stratten is in on this too.

    5. Miklo on February 21st, 2008 8:40 am

      Please add these to the laundry list:

      OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

      TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE

    6. Richard on February 21st, 2008 8:40 am

      If Joran is to be believed here, which isn’t necessarily the case, it’s DEEPAK who says “stick to our story.”

      If Deepak is as innocent as Joran was telling us recently, what’s the need for that story?

      Hey, Greta, welcome to the group of people who think it’s time for the State Department to get involved. Some of us have been trying for two years and more to get that done. Only to receive no response whatsoever … from OUR government.

    7. Richard on February 21st, 2008 8:42 am

      Hey, Aruban police, I know how busy you are …

      Though since Aruba is “one safe happy island,” as is said, I don’t see why you should be busy …

      But anyway, maybe you could ask Deepak about this alleged comment? Once you finish your Frosted Flakes and shave, that is….

    8. Sharon Chicago on February 21st, 2008 8:44 am

      Thinking it through, you know the Kalpoes will not likely come forth with what went down that night partly because they probably raped Natalee too along with knowing the ALE covered for Joran.

      They would really be scared to death to say anything knowing who was backing Joran.

    9. Richard on February 21st, 2008 8:45 am

      Joran was high on pot when he wrote that book … so, of course, nothing in it can be relied on.

    10. Sharon Chicago on February 21st, 2008 8:46 am

      Why is it that the prosecuting attorney Mos will not question the ALE and ask, what happened to the original statement from Joran that took place prior to June 9th?

      Has he already and been told there just was not one.

      Man does every one get a free walk if they lie there? Is that what their justice system is based on “you have to be a good liar” and then you get a free pass?

    11. kaye on February 21st, 2008 8:48 am

      FYI – Amigoe newspaper today….KEEP BOYCOTTING…ITS WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!

      Big drop in number of cruise passengers

      ORANJESTAD – It appears from the monthly report of the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) that compared to December 2006, the room occupancy of the hotels as well as the number of cruise passengers dropped in the same month in 2007. Although the room occupancy of the hotels dropped in December, there was a growth in 2007.

      Not only did the cruise passengers drop in December of 2007, but also the number of cruise ships that visited the island; with respectively 8.3 and 11.8 percent. Over the entire 2007, the number of cruise passengers dropped to 481.775, 18.5 percent less than in 2006 and the number of cruise ships remained that same as in 2006.

      Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has not yet published the number of tourists that stayed on the island and those that just spent the night during August till December inclusive.

      The CBA has therefore used the figures of AAA on the number of travelers that came to Aruba via air. These numbers increased for the first 11 months of 2007 with 9.8 percent. These figures only give an indication of a growth or drop in the tourism season, because the length of the stay was not considered.

    12. LilPuma on February 21st, 2008 9:19 am

      I’m thinking he was high when he wrote the book. Or maybe he was high when he gave the statement so it was simply disposed of.

      We’re assuming here that Joran said Natalee had some kind of seizure. Might have been the Kalpoes. Satish: “How’s the girl doing?”

      Joran said they sat by the pool and decided to continue to lie because they were afraid they’d get into trouble. Just another time that Joran tells us he had already given a statement. SO WHERE IS IT? Don’t keep making me type in uppercase, Aruba. :-)

      Dutch interrogators tell Beth: They panicked when she remained unconscious.

    13. katablog on February 21st, 2008 9:20 am

      Kaye:yeah, we knew Dec 2007 was a down month for Aruba even though the trolls were on here telling us how they couldn’t book rooms. I saw all sorts of rooms discounted for the last minute in Aruba.

      Anyway, and I said this before, it’s just like Aruba to want to talk to Patrick but at the same moment not talk to gottenboes, kaploes, etc. Nothing new here. Talk to and intimidate the witnesses, ignore the suspects.

      for the vandersloot.com page I suggest that the images of the guilty van der Sloots go up so that anyone else unfortunate enough to carry that name not be confused with the real perps.

    14. Bladerunner on February 21st, 2008 9:41 am

      ARUBA YOU CAN’T HIDE THE COVER-UP ANY LONGER. WE KNOW THE MEDIA KNOWS AND SOON THE WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW.

    15. kaye on February 21st, 2008 9:41 am

      Richard#6…..speaking of our own US government…interesting.

      http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/tips/safety/safety_1180.html

      go to “deaths abroad” scroll down to “Current report non-natural deaths abroad….” scroll to Aruba…..

      No where does our own state department list a death for may 30, 2005 in aruba. maybe we should be contacting our state department.

    16. viet vet on February 21st, 2008 9:46 am

      The investigation by Aruba was a coverup, and in trying to help Joran and Paulus it actually has hurt them. If Joran had admitted what happened and regardless of how bad it was, he would not have gotten over 8 years in prison..That would be about the maximum in Aruba. Probably would have served 2 to 4 years in jail and probation for the rest. So, by now if he had been tried and convicted, he would be out of jail and rebuilding his life. As it is, he is on the run, can’t go anywhere because from now on he is a target of the news media, photographers, and some crazy with a knife or gun. Paulus is not much better off, no one trusts him. Wow, what a web they have woven. Jan vdS and Dennis Jacobs and the corrupt parties of the ALE, should write books or better yet a song. Could be a country music hit like maybe “My Mama cried the day I didn’t go prison”.

    17. Minnesota Dad on February 21st, 2008 9:50 am

      ****** DON’T FORGET ********

      Media reports show that Paulus Van Der Sloot came to the police station on 6/15 or 6/16 and was interviewed as a witness.

      He was arrested a day or two later as a suspect(remember suspects can lie, witnesses can’t lie).

      Based on the document requests in the Dr. Phil case, there are no witness statement PVs from Paulus from the time prior to his arrest.

      WHERE ARE THESE ARUBA???

      The Media has exposed the Seizure cover-up

      The Media has exposed the computer search cover-up.

      The Media now needs to expose that ALE discarded Jorans and Paulus (or as we now affectionately call him Daury) witness statements — where they were caught in lies (which is against Aruban laws).

      EXPOSE, EXPOSE, EXPOSE….

      PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT MUST GO DOWN….He’s your perp.

      MD

    18. Vicki on February 21st, 2008 9:53 am

      STATE DEPT CONTACT KEN DURKIN 202-647-5113 and his fax number is 202-647-3732. Just got off the phone with him and got no where.. he starts talking about their laws down there…when I told him there WERE NO LAWS down there..I asked for his bosses number and it is 202-647-9019 and his name is DOUG KONNIFF…
      THERE IS A BIG SHOW GOING DOWN IN JUNE AT THE RONALD REGAN BLDG IN DC…Please let me know if you would like to go…Its early enough that we can get a BIG PROTEST GOING….justicefornatalee@gmail.com

    19. Lotte Lenya on February 21st, 2008 9:55 am

      From page 11, March 31, 2005

      …Joran calls Deepak who says, “stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come.”

      Can someone please clarify for me that the above statement is an actual excerpt from Joran’s book?

      I find it shocking that Paulus would allow his son to put the above statement in his book!! What a taunting statement! The parents are just as sociopathic as their kid.

      EVERYTHING this family has done and said so far, every action they’ve taken, has “Catch us if you can” written all over it rather then ‘our son is innocent and we’re a good family’.

    20. Tony on February 21st, 2008 10:33 am

      there is realy something wrong in this case.

    21. nctripp on February 21st, 2008 10:51 am

      Viet vet… I have been thinking along the same lines… Joran and dad would have this all behind
      them but because of the cover up and lies and media exposing all this the whole family will be hated and live in fear the rest of their lives.
      Maybe he isn’t getting away with murder.

    22. nctripp on February 21st, 2008 10:54 am

      Way to go paulus ..if you were a good dad you would have had your son tell the truth,
      but instead you have sealed his fate for life
      along with the rest of family.

    23. da_wench on February 21st, 2008 11:09 am

      We’ve all been hoping that justice for Natalee would one day come. It’s not going to happen in a court of law. We will read about Joran being murdered, dying in a mysterious accident, or better yet, that he simply disappeared without a trace before we read about him being convicted of the crimes he has committed. I wonder how mama and papa Sloot would feel if Joran went missing. Would they be as tenacious as Beth about getting answers? I think not. They might not know how, but they would certainly know why and that should be enough.

    24. brie on February 21st, 2008 11:23 am

      Joran, is going to live like a fugitive and hide for the rest of his miserable life….

      Who would trust Paulus to handle any of their affairs? Wonder if the law firm he works for will ask him to leave…

    25. dennisintn on February 21st, 2008 11:26 am

      #l6, roflmfao, “my mama cried the day i didn’t go to prison”, sounds like you have the makings of a #1 hit there. can’t wait to hear the lyrics.
      dennisintn

    26. Minky from CH on February 21st, 2008 11:29 am

      The very big question still remains:

      WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY ?????

      Aruba has the answers!
      Aruba knows everything!
      Aruba is a dirty pack of rats and Criminals!
      Aruba should be avoided from the whole world!

      Paulsloot, can you hear me? Confess!
      Anita, it’s time for you to come forward!
      There is no way out anymore!
      The VDS family are getting deeper and deeper into the mud. They are so stupid, they don’t even realize it!
      You guys ar not “above the law”! Remember?

      Yeah VDS’s, the whole world knows you and what you did!

    27. katablog on February 21st, 2008 11:32 am

      #20 Tony: Ya think?

      Viet Vet: so very true, along with the fact that Aruba would still be getting hordes of American tourists. Cruise ships wouldn’t necessarily be canceling (Aruba likes to tell us this is because of fuel costs which could be true somewhat, except that I frequently search for cruises and dang if the ones going to Aruba aren’t the ones always will openings and with discounts) and better yet, Americans would be flying in on jets and there wouldn’t be people standing outside Aruba travel shows with signs asking about Natalee Holloway and urging people to boycott Aruba.

    28. Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:52 am

      i have been asking everyone i know to keep sending out for information to aruba tourism
      call them, email them, fax them, ask them to PLEASE SEND information on how i can get some info on going to ARUBA.. i want flight details, hotel details, etc send me everything. heheeheheheheh

      at last count i had 476 people doing it..and i will have another few thousand very soon.

      all it is doing is costing ARUBA TOURISM money and they are getting nothing out of it BECAUSE
      NONE of the people are EVER EVER EVER going to go to aruba EVER.. mailings cost money, answering phones costs money, printing more brochures cost more money

      i am attempting to sink them all by myself
      but of course if anyone wants to get on board the FREIGHT TRAIN.. come on in.

      DONT MESS WITH WOLF HUNTERS
      i have many more ideas to bring the tourism to a screeching halt.

    29. Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:55 am

      “hi, this is wolf hunter, i am interested in getting 400 people to go on a vacation to aruba
      can you please send me 400 brochures to 400 different addreses. thank you very much”

      signed,
      WOLF HUNTERS

      a 12 step program for justice

      WOLF HUNTERS

    30. Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:57 am

      ARUBA is getting just what they deserve

      no justice – no tourism

      they will eat their own

      they are starting to joran and paulus but because they are so rancid, people are getting sick.

      better call dompig – he can solve it

    31. Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 12:00 pm

      when you see a aruba company, call them and tie up the 800 lines (if they offer them) and just ask lots of questions. send me more info please
      thank you so much, cant wait to get there. NOT
      no justice = no money
      aruba,you want a boycott ? you got one JERK OFFS

    32. katablog on February 21st, 2008 12:01 pm

      #16 okay so we need a contest for the best Country Western song:

      I smoking weed, confessed to murder and now papa’s going to jail.

      Papa and I are fugitives and Mama’s really mad.

      Daddy lied, I lied and now Aruba has no Tourists.

      Daddy lied, I lied and Mama cried.

      Life on the run is no fun.

    33. jake the snake strikes again on February 21st, 2008 12:03 pm

      does anyone get the impression that the people running the show in aruba are not only the most evil corrupt people known, they are also incredibly stupid, the place is tanking and they refuse to do anything

    34. glad2bAmerican on February 21st, 2008 12:33 pm

      I have written to the U.S.Department of State
      twice and never received any acknowledgement.
      An American wrongfully treated in another country should be A HUGE problem investigated. Nothing to indicate the U.S. Dept of State, even addressed the issue. Nor a warning for travelers to Aruba. What’s up with that??
      Contact Information
      Main address:
      U.S. Department of State
      2201 C Street NW
      Washington, DC 20520

      Main Switchboard:
      202-647-4000
      TTY:1-800-877-8339 (Federal Relay Service)

      Hotline for American Travelers:
      202-647-5225

      Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
      http://www.state.gov/secretary/

    35. dgator on February 21st, 2008 12:40 pm

      i like the statement that urine said “we didnt know the f-ing mother wouldnt shut up” Go Beth for not shutting up, we are behind you! I would be the same way if it were my child

    36. JusticeforNatalee on February 21st, 2008 1:05 pm

      ” WHERE IS JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’S 5/31/05 WITNESS STATEMENT?”

      Where, indeed! Details of the corruption and coverup are slowly coming out.

      Greta, when she has an opinion, keeps harping on it.
      Remember Boeti and the beach?

      Anyway, at least now Greta is using her noodle and harping on the “seizures” issue. Go, Greta. I think we can bet that Greta won’t let that go.

    37. Saoirse on February 21st, 2008 1:09 pm

      I thing everyone should follow Wolf’s example. Have Aruba send plenty of those expensive color brochures. Hit them from every angle. Zero return.

      Why are the early police statements missing?

      Who covered up?

      ArubaGate

      The whole world is watching!

    38. JusticeforNatalee on February 21st, 2008 1:18 pm

      Folks, it’s getting close to “showtime” for Boston.
      The group is getting pumped up and I can guarantee you,
      Natalee’s voice will be heard loud and clear. There will be a
      passionate stand for her JUSTICE.

      Good group going to New York, too, but could use a few more hands.
      You know, all of us can think of reasons that we cannot attend.
      We all have busy lives.

      But the thing is: Let’s think of the one good reason we
      need to attend and that reason is:

      NATALEE

      (I wish Carpe would insert a nice picture of the lovely young woman who is the reason we should strive to attend.)

      NATALEE!

      SHE DESERVES JUSTICE

      STAND UP FOR HER IN NEW YORK

      JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

    39. Open a Window on February 21st, 2008 1:19 pm

      For all of you who say that Joran’s life is ruined and he will live like a fugitive, I give you one O.J. Simpson. The very same things were said about him and he has managed to continue to live in a nice house in Florida and raise his children and play golf when he feels like it. Sure, many do not want him around, but there are plenty of people who like him eating in their restaurants and he seems to have no trouble finding partners for golf. The only hope is for Joran to face justice. To be fair to our State Department, the last two years they have had people in the media, Greta, for example, who were “inclined to believe Joran”, so where was the pressure to find out the truth? Maybe now that Greta has had the blinders taken off, more will be done. Her support for Joran certainly had an effect on this case.

    40. observer on February 21st, 2008 1:23 pm

      #24 Brie, I must disagree. If I needed legal help in Aruba, Paulus seems like a great lawyer to have. Granted, he failed his judge-in-training exam. Nevertheless, the guy clearly knows the law and has all the right connections. I’ve always thought that if Joran was the son of nearly anyone else, this case would’ve been long closed by now.

    41. kaye on February 21st, 2008 1:39 pm

      vicki #18…..what sort of show in June?

    42. jake the snake strikes again on February 21st, 2008 1:56 pm

      yes, hello im interested in going to aruba for a 5 week vacation, myself and my whole extended family. i need you to send me those very expensive brochures, the color kind and please mail them to me overnight , i need 400 copies of them please rush them via fed ex them to me if possible
      thank you.
      WOLF HUNTERS

      dont mess with hunters

    43. jake the snake strikes again on February 21st, 2008 2:22 pm

      joran didnt walk home
      he drove home in the car that paulus used to go get him. paulus had help from someone who met them at the location to move Natalee with the car that the helper drove.
      joran is too lazy to walk anywhere. he used the k2 brothers for rides.

    44. jake the snake strikes again on February 21st, 2008 2:24 pm

      paulus is daury

    45. Rob on February 21st, 2008 2:29 pm

      #34 – I hand delivered a letter to the State Dept in May of 07 and never even got a reply. Good Luck. They don’t seem to care and Beth had a meeting with Condi and she said she ‘wants the FBI back on this’. I haven’t seen them do anything.

      #39 – there have been instances where the owners of restaurants have asked OJ to get the heck out. They wouldn’t even serve him. So, it has had some effect on him. And he’s in trouble again. He beat the heck outta Christy Brodi and he’s got that pesky little armed robbery charge hangin’ over him. We all knew he was gonna commit more crimes, and he did. Thank God no one else was killed in the meantime.

    46. kaye on February 21st, 2008 2:36 pm

      You can thank Karin Janssen (Aruban National Disgrace Agency Woman of the Year) and her cohorts jan van der straten and dennis jacobs for the “disappearance” of the original statements.Karin Janssen knew within 72 hrs EXACTLY what happened to natalee and who the perps were. but karin janssen chose to do “her friend”(Paulus van der scum) a favor by purposely buying time for the suspects to rehearse their lies, erase all evidence,change statements, allow some statement to become “missing” .Karin Janssen chose to withhold vital information from the Twiddy/Holloway family about the whereabouts of their loved one, their child. Karin Janssen was DIRECTLY involved in the coverup from day one. karin janssen was the one who asked Beth Twiddy those ridiculous questions “if she was related to hitler” and did she “have life insurance policies on natalee”!! karin janssen is a prime example of an ALE scumbag. FYI go to “Boycott Aruba” and to the right click on “official documents”, it’s unbelievable. also click on “witnesses”…why weren’t these witness statements used? incriminating evidence maybe.

    47. Deetch on February 21st, 2008 2:49 pm

      Joran Van der Sloot:

      “How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing.”

    48. Vicki on February 21st, 2008 3:03 pm

      jake the snake, come forward with what you know…email me at justicefor natalee@gmail.com
      KAYE-Its a HUGE 4 day gala with LIERUBA going to DC….the freakin pigs…we need to RALLY for Natalee…WE have tshirts, pens,magnets, flyers…Lets BOOK NOW ppl….and show OUR GOVERNMENT WE WONT PUT UP WITH THIS BS ANYMORE….

    49. Miss-Underestimated on February 21st, 2008 3:11 pm

      Our state department needs to on YESTERDAY, issued a travel advisory. Aruba is not different than a 3rd world country covering up terrorism against an American Citizen, Natalee Holloway

    50. Miss-Underestimated on February 21st, 2008 3:18 pm

      http://www.bucuticam.com/cam1.html

      I see another busy day on the beach. You get what you deserve Aruba. No justice, no tourists.

      Where is Gerald Dompig now?

    51. bobbie on February 21st, 2008 3:26 pm

      While we’re at writing country western songs by Joran the Dutch MORON:

      Here’s some lyrics by Joran. But I think it would be more fitting to put them to a tune by 50 Cent. That way, the Pimps will be proud of their gangsta rape, I mean rap.

      “Whats her name, oh yeah, Natalee
      Because of her I’m not so free
      those days on Aruba are just history
      And I thought I was gonna make some $$money$$

      But now I find it hard to rape hoes
      Because them girls, most of them knows,
      that I like to gangbang them with my bros
      (and for some reason they don’t find that romantic)

      But I’ve still got that smirk on my face
      It’s that annoying look you just can’t erase

      Just blame my stupid mom and dad
      Because of them I’m real, real bad
      (and for a sociopath that feels REAL good)

      I thought I told you that I won’t stop!
      I thought I told you that I won’t stop!
      See you at the Disco”

      –By Joran, aka “Loverboy”, aka “Ted Bundy’s greatest admirer”

    52. Carpe Noctem on February 21st, 2008 3:40 pm

      Deetch on February 21st, 2008 2:49 pm

      Joran Van der Sloot:

      “How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing.”

      That idiot wouldn’t know ‘NORMAL’ if it

      ran up to him and smacked him in the face

      with a bat!

      His “VADER” has three eyeballs, and his mother

      is a bearded lady circus freak with webbed feet!

      *He wasn’t much of a winner before he killed Natalee, and that plugged the final cap in
      his a$$.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

      … & this is what I’m sayin’

    53. katablog on February 21st, 2008 3:43 pm

      #39 you apparently don’t really know the life of OJ. The only reason he has had any life whatsoever is because he was very famous prior to killing Nicole and Ron. He also has plenty of money and a group of people willing to believe that the accusations were just because of his race.

      What does Joran have? His own lawyer claims Joran is in debt. He could turn himself and his daddy in and make $250,000. He has no big house, no famous friends, no positive fame himself and no money.

      But even with all that you can see that what goes around comes around. Years later and look where OJ is – facing a trial for armed robbery.

    54. Minky from CH on February 21st, 2008 3:46 pm

      Imo there is nothing to compare the VDS with OJ.
      Before “his case” OJ was somebody, a well known great sporter and famous – and of course rich.

      The slootfamily is nothing of the above.

      The VDS before the case were a dirty bunch of nobodys and they still are a dirty bunch of nobodys and will stay a dirty bunch of nobodys until they die.
      Only known over the whole world for lies, cover-ups and suspects in a horrible murder case.

      This rats had different targets in their mind – it has nothing to do with sports whatsoever.
      Anita, your “sporter” was running after girls to drug and rape them, it’s not called ‘sport’.
      Put your pink glasses away and see the facts.
      Take him where he belongs, you promised this to de Vries.

      Aruba, arrest Paulsloot, make him talk about “that” night, timelines etc., as MD, Carpe, Deetch and many others told you long time ago and the case can be easy solved.

      Paulus is your perp #one!

    55. Larry on February 21st, 2008 3:46 pm

      another article regarding the Hollowat case:

      {{edit}}
      _______________________
      SM: Steve Yuhas is a fool (klaasend)

    56. Richard on February 21st, 2008 3:50 pm

      If we’re going to write songs about Aruba, how about the title of that Madonna song, “Poppa don’t preach …”

      Carpe Noctem doubtless could do justice to that!

      Thanks, Kaye (#9), for posting that article.

      Do we all remember last year, when the trolls used to come on here and say: “Nah, the boycott will NEVER work!” Where are they now?

      But it will take all of our efforts, folks.

      Remember, this weekend we’re starting another round of protests against Aruba Tourism Authority.
      This will be in Boston … and next weekend is one in New York.

      Want info? Write to JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

    57. Richard on February 21st, 2008 3:51 pm

      By the way, remember a year or so ago, when (I think it was) Carnival Cruises stopped going to Aruba?

    58. dennisintn on February 21st, 2008 4:13 pm

      #55 klaas, that’s the nicest thing anybody’s ever said about him. he takes his bs articles right off the “i love the sporter” hotline.
      dennisintn
      ____________________
      SM: I was trying to be as nice as I could ;) (klaasend)

    59. Carpe Noctem on February 21st, 2008 4:23 pm

      Don’t ever rule these two runts out!

      http://tinyurl.com/2mzc4y

      They would have sold Joran-stein’s hiney

      up the river months & months ago, if the Van der

      Scum of Aruba did not have something on ‘em.

      That makes them dirty!

      Hey Deepak, from the look of the pic, it seems

      to be time to open up your head & feed the

      hamster. AGAIN, close your mouth when they

      tell you to say “CHEESE!” Ya look like some darn

      deranged caveman witnessing fire being made for

      the first time!!! You’re an idiot. I mean, you do

      know tha don’t you? This isn’t late breaking

      news , right?

      -j4n

    60. Miss-Understimated on February 21st, 2008 4:25 pm

      47. Deetch, so did Joran say that the other parents of the other possible missing girls didn’t act like that? Almost like this has happened before?

    61. brie on February 21st, 2008 4:27 pm

      Can the Caribbean Courts of Justice demand the documents….I remember reading that Straaten gave documents to Paulus…well they better produce them…I think Joran confessed a very long time ago…and I think Dompig well knows…Dennis Jacobs all time loser and Frosted Flakes addict…your daughter is missing but I need to eat and shave…I doubt how often you bath…PIG!

    62. Allan on February 21st, 2008 4:37 pm

      Why doesn’t Hans Mos want to talk to other people like Van Der Stratten? Hans Mos is helping with the cover-up! What in the hell are they trying to keep from being known?

    63. kitty on February 21st, 2008 4:42 pm

      Dear Glad2Be…#34. would you please try again and send your inquiry by certified mail? and a CC to your Congressman? Perhaps, you did this already? Thank you for doing what you’ve done already! Keep on em! and keep us all posted ~

      Kata~ another lyric:

      My Brother’s sad, cause I’m so bad…

      (we’ve heard nothing about the brother…)

    64. Mike on February 21st, 2008 5:18 pm

      And the trolls wonder where all the evidence is?????????

    65. anne on February 21st, 2008 5:28 pm

      I believe it was Richard who said that perhaps the seizure story is just that — a story. This story would have been invented by Paulus after researching the effects of GHB and alcohol that fateful May evening online. Carpe is right – something most likely happened to Natalee as evidenced by his photos in the transparent bag in the Marriott basin. Paulus and Joran came up with the seizure story, and Paulus presented it as his witness statement. But that’s all it might have been — just a story. Because we all know that if they “find the girl and see the xxit”, Joran would get 15 years for murder.

    66. anne on February 21st, 2008 5:30 pm

      Oops – I meant that the seizure story was presented in Joran’s missing witness statement, not Paulus’s.

    67. txchic on February 21st, 2008 5:30 pm

      didn’t mama kalpoe comment early on that “everyone lies”?

      my feeling is that joran was left alone with natalee some place & this is why deepak warned him that joran is basically screwed if they ever find a body. why then would the kalpoes lie for joran, even to the point of spending time in jail? could they have something to do with the date rape drug?

    68. J O on February 21st, 2008 5:39 pm

      Paulus disposed of Joran’s witness statement. Remember in Aruban law it is “OK” to lie as a suspect but criminal if you lie as a witness. So Daury (Sorry Daddy) shredded Joran’s witness statement which means Joran did not lie as a witness. He wouldn’t want Sporta to be a criminal. Sick, Isn’t it????

    69. WOLF HUNTERS STRIKES AGAIN on February 21st, 2008 5:47 pm

      hey aruba and aruba travel agents across the globe.

      thanks for the all the info you mailed. i have 800 pounds of it to send to the recycle bin.

      hope it didnt cost too much in postage. LOL

      JUST REMEMBER – it was a total waste of money
      because i have no intention of ever going there.

      i will anxiously await another 800 pounds of it in the mail to be immediately recycled. i herd postage is going up.

      HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

      boycott huh ??

      you got it

    70. WOLF HUNTERS STRIKES AGAIN on February 21st, 2008 5:49 pm

      its a catch 22. if they dont mail stuff out like brochures, they risk not getting tourists

      if they mail it? it goes in the recycle bin

      sometimes i amaze myself :)

    71. J O on February 21st, 2008 5:49 pm

      Remember, early on Paul-ass was worried about Joran being caught in LIE during Joran’s witness phase. Paul-ass knew that was illegal.

      HEY HANS MOS, The K-Alpos lied and they admitted they LIED. Let the JUSTICE start HERE!!!!!!

    72. maryd on February 21st, 2008 6:07 pm

      So lets see “why would the Tadpole Bros. lie for the Vandersluts”? First let’s eliminate the obvious – for Love (no) regard (no), alegiance (no way)they were only short term hang out friends being used by the big Kahuna. So the only other reasons to reconcile would be “fear” “guilt” or “money”. Or all three. Anyone care to elaborate?

    73. nctripp on February 21st, 2008 6:16 pm

      txchic….
      that is what I think.. one of the K2 provided the drug and knew she was having a bad reaction because one said “something bad happened” One also asked the next am “how is the girl”
      It makes sense they are either involved by
      1)supplying drugs,2) rape while she was drugged,
      or 3)Joran knew something else they had done to hold over their heads. During the taped car conversation when thet were first arrested
      joran said ” maybe they would like to know you hit the girl with the car” or something like that
      That could have been something that had happened before Natalie. I even wonder if that could be
      related to another missing girl. Wasn’t another
      body found during the search for natalie?

    74. Kat_Gram on February 21st, 2008 6:23 pm

      Ok, katablog .. the refrain …..
      I lied, Mamma cried
      And Daddy sweat a bucket..
      ..

    75. maryd on February 21st, 2008 6:49 pm

      I was reading through some old articles the other day where they spoke about the landfill witness and search. It is strange because the search dogs made a couple of hits. One they said turned out to be medical supplies. Wish I knew what kind of medical supplies and why would they have Natalees scent on them. Don’t know how often these dogs make mistakes but I still wonder about that landfill.

    76. benh on February 21st, 2008 6:52 pm

      A long time back i spamed coolaruba.com shout box so much they made it members to shout.I went back today saw klassend was spaming them ,i joined again every body join ,spam em with god bless natalee.

    77. disgustedmom on February 21st, 2008 6:55 pm

      #32 yay! A country western song! Great idea….right where this saga of BS belongs!

      The Saga of Joran VDS

      Rigged me a date with a hot chick
      Gave her drugs so she’d go
      She still didn’t like me
      So now I call her a HO.

      To be con’t…..

    78. downloadingdaddy on February 21st, 2008 7:11 pm

      #47 Deetch

      Joran Van der Sloot:

      “How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing.”

      This statement you posted has always been one of the most disturbing to me. It seems to imply that he knows how other families of missing girls have reacted (have the Sloots dealt with this before but it was successfully covered-up?) It gives me chills to think that there could possibly be 20 Sloot cover-ups or more.

    79. katablog on February 21st, 2008 7:20 pm

      I’m a real delicious little sporter
      but I still can’t get a cute girl
      heard drugging is one way to court her
      so I thought I’d give it a whirl

      Well the girl was blond and really hot
      Wearing my KSwiss and my coolest plaid
      But after the porn movie she liked me not
      her rejection made me really, really mad.

      A hot temper is just one thing I’ve got
      beat my bros, killed the family dog
      well you guessed it, cool I’m not
      But stop callin’ my mama a hog

      A grown-up drug boss is what I really wanna be
      and if daddy gets me that big, big money
      I’ll be famous, you all just wait and see
      but now I gotta go cuz I’m on the runny.

    80. kayjay on February 21st, 2008 7:32 pm

      #46 Kaye
      You are absolutely right, Karin Janssen is imo as guilty as them all. Obviously a VERY GOOD errr
      friend of PVDS!

    81. ayfit on February 21st, 2008 8:01 pm

      When will targets located by Persistence be investigated?
      I like this Wolf Hunter Guy. His catch 22 theory works for me. An overwhelming demand for literature,yet no tourist. Gotta love it. Wolf Hunter you’re different.I like it. Keep up the good work.

    82. Darla on February 21st, 2008 8:35 pm

      Wolf Hunters, I am not real computer savvy, but if you will leave the websites here of where to go to request brochures I will be more than glad to help .There are about 600 high school seniors in our little town of 2000 who would love to go to Aruba!!!!((((NOT))))! I will do all I can to help!. Joran and Daddy need a little “Southern Justice”. Thanks

    83. Miss-Understimated on February 21st, 2008 8:38 pm

      78. DD, my thoughts exactly.
      But unless any other parents come forward. No one will know.

      80. KJ, remember, Scarem Jaansen would not even return phone calls to Beth. Once Beth hired JQK, she was then relaying what information she felt she needed to, to keep JQK off her back. In fact in an interview with JQK, he made reference that Scarem was very cooperative. Was that just lip service from JQK, so not to totally close the door on the case. In hindsight kissing her arse did nothing. The shamless woman.

      Lest, we not forget the infamous Julia, her lies about Natalee, Beth and Jug.

    84. brie on February 21st, 2008 8:45 pm

      So where are we at..back to day one….Natalee didn’t have a seizure….Oh dear…is there any closure….!

    85. disgustedmom on February 21st, 2008 8:51 pm

      #79 Love it!

      And now for a Beatle song sung by Joran…

      I’m a LOSER
      And I’m not what I appear to be
      I’m a LOSER

      Of all the girls I have won or have lost
      There is one girl I should never have crossed
      She was a girl in a million my friend
      I should have known I would lose in the end

      I’m a LOSER!

    86. dennisintn on February 21st, 2008 8:57 pm

      #l8, vicki, while you’re on the phone to the state dept., ask them what assistant counsel akers was doing attending the “get out of jail” celebration at the sloot’s house in sept.’05. i could be mistaken, but i think there’s also a pic. of her at the jail when he got out, but i could easily be mistaken on that.
      dennisintn

    87. Allan on February 21st, 2008 9:16 pm

      Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily”. Quote BY SM

      The prosecutor is also corrupt and fits right in with the rest in Aruba. Nothing good will come from him. All the other people but he wants to question Patrick.

      The US government sits by deaf, dumb, and blind.
      What happened to government for the people?
      Their seems to be not one person in government that seems to care. I am not talking about Baccus he got a payoff.

    88. Open a Window on February 21st, 2008 9:58 pm

      #45, Rob, O.J. has had some trouble only in recent years. He has had total freedom raising kids, going to school functions and eating in restaurants with no problem. He also seems to have no trouble finding female companionship. # 53, uh, I am VERY aware of Orenthal Simpson’s life. I have actually met him, have you? People still fawn over him, even now, with all of his recent troubles. Hey, if Joran has half of the quality of life that O.J. Simpson has had, it is too much. There certainly have been enough people covering for Joran up until this point. O.J. appears to have more money than Joran, but Joran manages to have high powered attorneys. If Joran can’t control himself in the future, he will have trouble, but people forget, and Joran is free.

    89. WOLF HUNTERS on February 21st, 2008 10:10 pm

      aruba doesnt get it, they probably never will and who really cares if they get it or not. give back Natalee and go on with your trecherous evil ways. the island is in rapid descent and no oxygen in sight. the country is
      like a 747 going down in a storm. there is no hope for it. its over.

      when 1 person decides to NOT go to aruba because of this horror show of justice and unspeakable pain machine you have concocted.

      aruba thinks “no big deal, who cares its just one person”

      well that 1 person that goes somewhere else and feels safe and has a good time will
      go back again and again which means aruba will never see that 1 person EVER. But another country vacation spot will see
      that person over and over again.

      and that 1 person will tell other people “hey come with me i had a great time in –NAME ANOTHER PLACE–
      and i didnt have to worry about getting raped and killed and the whole mess covered up like a sick horror movie”

      multiply this “1″ person times ohhh a few thousand and aruba will be a island with nothing but crackheads
      raping and killing each other ( kind of like what it is already ) for the most part.

      aruba is stuck between a rock and hard place

      1. come clean and clean house and tell all about the cover up and corruption

      2. stay in denial mode about everything

      what you FREAKS dont understand is the cat is out of the bag.

      joran screwed you all. paulus screwed you all and they were so happy doing it they wanted you all to pay for it
      with a big fat compensation check. right out of your own pockets. joran wanted to steal your MONEY

      it was always known someone in Aruba would be the one to tell the truth and it was HIM. youre own delicious little
      sporter who screwed you all..

      if i were you i would ask for forgiveness, come clean and clean up your island.let the chips fall and you will recover in time. if you dont – who cares – enjoy youre little hell hole

      the people in aruba will suffer and continue to suffer for years to come because of the EVIL of daury, joran
      and a couple dozen others.. involved in the coverup.

      the day is coming when the people in aruba have had enough. LOOK OUT that day is here. the people in aruba that did nothing to save Natalee and her family from pain have gotten a small taste of pain. LOOK OUT that day is here.

    90. daury hunter on February 21st, 2008 10:20 pm

      not only will “we stand with the girl”

      “we will bring her home”

      like all good soldiers do

    91. Richard on February 21st, 2008 10:23 pm

      We’re on the verge of the Boston protest. It looks to be the first of this year’s round … but definitely, definitely not the last.

      Anyone who’s going, or thinking of going, please drop a note to JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com to let your plans be known. It’s never easy to coordinate volunteers, and weather might throw a monkey (not a ScaredMonkey) wrench into the works.

      Sometimes I get discouraged and am on the verge of thinking that, with all the crime and murders we see daily, maybe this one case is blown out of proportion.

      Then I snap to, and think … hey, Aruba in May 2005 threw down the gauntlet. Americans are weak, fat, fickle, need to be entertained, get tired easily, are glued to their TV … there’s no moral fiber left in Americans anymore.

      They threw down the gauntlet … and have ever since been trying to make sure that we will forget. But we will never forget.

      Stand up for Natalee in Boston and New York, and all other times. Make it clear: we will never forget. We will never forgive. Aruba, you have no easy way out … only the truth will do, let the chips fall where they may.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

    92. Richard on February 21st, 2008 10:31 pm

      My comments above (“Americans are weak,” etc.) are of course rendering the Aruban thought process. We can pull the wool over the eyes of those damned Americans because they don’t amount to much any more.

      I believe that someone called Adolf Hitler used to say the same thing. Point taken, I hope.

    93. Saoirse on February 21st, 2008 11:13 pm

      Richard,

      If might be most effective if you contact the local media and try to get them to report a story on the boycott. The angle to get more people involved and aware.

      Good luck!

    94. Saoirse on February 21st, 2008 11:40 pm

      “And when there is all this talk about, let’s get the FBI involved, the FBI have been here since day one.” – 7/6/2005 – Ruben Crapenberg

      BTW, where is Ruby? Out behind the airport polishing fenders?

      Schmuck!

      ArubaGate

    95. mayan_moons on February 21st, 2008 11:46 pm

      okay here’s mine

      i’m a pimp playin a tourist

      my daury a wannabe jurist

      i don’t care if my target does die

      daury’s got it covered but can’t zip his fly.

      Nadira says its all good…..even big people lie

      so check me out in my bad ass plaid

      my frankenstein cut & my trash bags are glad

      i wanted sex but didn’t have no glove

      now we tape us havin only donkey bone love

      ARUBA SUCKS!

    96. brie on February 22nd, 2008 12:29 am

      So what is Aruba doing, trying to write a new document, just can’t remember which set of lies to write down…

      Is Joran going to become a mountain man and hide in the Alps somewhere, it’s going to be a very sad life…Paulus should of not interfered and allowed things to of been done properly…..but he’s always bailing him out some kind of trouble….but this time he went way too far…..

    97. Ray on February 22nd, 2008 12:43 am

      Joran,I hope that you see Natalee in your nightmares every night and you spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder. The people that you protecting now,may think that you will RAT them out and shut your mouth for forever.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA

    98. mayan_moons on February 22nd, 2008 12:51 am

      Paules says “I’ll do anything to protect my son”

      when Dave approached him at the jail where Jurine was housed.

      NO Way Paules

      You’ll do ANYTHING to protect your own sorry hide. You & Anita should’ve made the sporter man up and take his punishment like a man. Instead you’ve doomed him to a lifetime of having the aftermath of Natalee follow him where ever he goes for the rest of his life.

      Why would a man do that to his son Paules?

    99. Patti on February 22nd, 2008 1:07 am

      ARUBA

      .

      ARAWAK!

      .

      .

      How many Arubans does it take to change a

      light bulb?

      .

      Three Thousand…

      .

      The other 97,000 are busy looking the other way,

      feeling embarrassed,

      and dodging the police.

      .

      Boycott!

    100. Patti on February 22nd, 2008 1:24 am

      Why is it when you mention the Arawak Indian Tribe most Arubans laugh; while Prime Minister Nelson Oduber is on the record stating his pride and allegience to the Arawak Nation?

      Are the Arawaks a secret society, as well as, a tribe? Wouldn’t they have to be considering the things they do? How does an ancient, man-eating, human-sacrificing bunch of renegades survive into the 21st Century?

      Can they be stopped?

      God, I hope so….

      .

      Justice for Natalee!

    101. Saoirse on February 22nd, 2008 2:40 am

      Hey Aruba!

      What about the sex parties for old men where the young sons lure the young, drugged female tourists to you?

      “Everyone turning a blind eye.”

      Everyone knows now.

      The whole world is watching!

    102. longjack on February 22nd, 2008 4:05 am

      #88

      Joran is finished.

      The OJ analogy is misplaced. OJ was quite rich, famous and well respected before he became notorious. Joran and Scott Peterson, before he was arrested, is a better analogy.

      DeVries finished Joran’s European adventure, and DeVries IS famous.

      The Holloway case, with the exception of Holland, wasn’t a news item in Europe. The DeVries taping made it a news item because of the extraordinary high viewership ranking.

      Joran is just some alleged criminal DeVries fingered who was allowed to skate because of the string pulling of higher ups. The wine throwing incident on TV made reasonable doubt a moot point. The jury didn’t even have to recess to the chambers.

      Joran is also a known doper and rowdy now, who will be on a short leash wherever he goes in Europe.

      The only thing Joran is good for is a possible meal ticket for Patrick van De Eem copy cats.

    103. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 22nd, 2008 5:02 am

      A-L-L BETH EVER WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHERE WAS/WHAT HAPPENED TO HER MISSING D-A-U-G-H-T-E-R, FOR GOD’S SAKE.

      A-N-Y N-O-R-M-A-L HUMAN BEING WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.

      AND THE ARUBANS HAVE LIED, RESENTED, STYMIED, PROTESTED, OBSTRUCTED, COVERED-UP, AND TWISTED THE SEARCH FROM DAY ONE.

      THEY AND THE NETHERLANDS HAVE BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO HARBOR, CODDLE, AND PROTECT THE ‘MONSTER OF ARUBA,’ URINE VAN DER SCUM, AND HIS DADDY-DEAREST COHORT PAULASS.

      I AM ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED ARUBA IS LOSING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSADS OF TOURIST DOLLARS EACH AND EVERY DAY.

      I AM DEEPLY GRATIFIED THAT THEIR ECONOMY IS CRASHING.

      THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

      AND EACH AND EVERY DAY, THEY S-T-I-L-L MAKE A FRESH DECISION NOT TO.

      DON’T WHINE TO ME ABOUT NEEDING AMERICAN TOURISTS BACK. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR SICK SELF-PITY.

      WHERE’S NATALEE???
      ASCREWBA SUCKS.

      THE NETHERLANDS SUCK.

    104. A New Girl on February 22nd, 2008 5:21 am

      # 3– Hoeplemen !!!!!!!!!! =)

      You raise yet another excellent point! I agree with you 150% about Vocking—and what went down with refraining the most crucial evidence seeking activity of the investigation—SEARCHING THE VDS MAIN/PRIMARY RESIDENCE. I never knew the name or paid attention much in the media as to WHO actually was responsible for blocking that action…just knew a judge had signed an order blocking that particular part of search….Didn’t everyone following the case at that time remember saying to yourself…. “Hmnnnnnnnnnnnn…” ???Indeed- it was peculiar. Yep…things that make you go…hmnnnnnnn! We all know there was evidence inside that house. Even a judge (Paulus) and a vapid School Teacher (Anita) and the Sociopathical Child-Spawn from Hell (Joran) mess up when they feel comfortable in their own environment. Since Pimpin-It-Up & Praying-On-Tourists- Joran had his own little “crib” out back..obviously Paulus told him to go through that with a fine tooth comb. Probably had the corrupt cronies telling him what to get rid of in advance..so that’s the only reason they were like- yeah, go ahead- Search Joran’s little pad…. Even though they already checked Paulus’ home computer for activity, we can be CERTAIN there had to be other clues @ VDS residence and on property. Kalpoes seen washing out car after the shit hit the fan? To erase any of Nat’s DNA or other evidence left behind…no brainer there. Yah! Like that didn’t stick out like a sore thumb either- she was raped in that car or maybe at least physically abused or taken advantage of in there…. Any or all evidence would HAVE been incriminating, but it’s all been destroyed or covered up long ago. What a joke though that they just re-searched property again last year…The first time they searched was WEEKS after Natalee’s disappearance,,,,not DAYS like it should have been! We can thank Aruba’s back asswards legal/investigative system for that major SNAFU.

      I agree w/ Hoepleman ——>>> MORE NEEDS TO BE MADE OF VOCKING….just like Peter DVries and Patrick VDEem brought out the worst in Joran….someone in the public media needs to EXPOSE VOCKING— AND THE JUDGE WHO WAS INVOLVED AT THE TIME WHO APPROVED THAT BLOCK ON SEARCH WARRANT. Once again, both the Netherlands and Americans need to be allies and get behind this and PUSH LIKE HELL.

      I maintain also that Paulus and Anita VDS and the Kalpoe brothers need to be pressed. To the max! Exposed, poked, prodded, annoyed, harrassed– whatever it takes which we are allowed to do within the limits of the law without any of them crying that THEIR rights are being violated and threating to sue ! Screw them all. These particular people have never, ever ONCE considered Natalee’s rights or the rights of the Holloways. Not once! They don’t care about the Netherlands or have any loyalty to their own country men or women. Not once have they ever cared about anybody or anyone else’s rights but their OWN. Selfish little F’ers. (Excuse me, it just slips out) . So careless and wrong to do what they have all done which is remain silent while being accessories to a series of crimes.

      Paulus knows the law well (of course) and is too smart and too-well legally represented and connected at present…what??? Is Paulus THAT untouchable over there???? Give me a break- he was technically a “Judge in Training”… Who gives a rat’s ass??? …Will someone pleaseeeeeeeeee go after him with a vengeance!!?? Don’t forget those little weasels the Kalpoe brothers, too. They are involved up to their eyeballs ( Deepak more than Satish)..doesn’t matter- those 2 know EXACTLY what happened that night and why can’t anyone expose them? They are just bottom feeders over there with absolutely NO SOCIAL STATUS so what the hell makes them so untouchable?? Please! At least the K2′s were smart enough to hire a good attorney. Pfffff.

      —–>>>>>>> Some one has to be like PATRICK and PETER and have the intestinal fortitude to take ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED DOWN !! BRING THEM ALL DOWN. <<<<<<<———

      It CAN BE DONE…not easy- but look at all the progess Peter DeVries made in his 5-6 month survellience.

      Doesn’t anyone else in the media besides Peter have the ability to do this? Come on! How frustrating to stand by and watch this travesty of justice. Where are Jay Severin- Bill O’Rielly, Greta VanSusteren (Yes, Greta! everyone back off…lol)—we need to JOIN FORCES and take on these people above specifically! Get the mouthpieces talking….Keep the heat on the airwaves and in mainstream media…I want to keep reading it in print, on the net, on the radio or watching it in the morning or evening news! To grab headlines…it has to be BIG—like Patrick & Peter’s sting. B-I-G !!!!!!!

      Hoepleman, You Rock !! =) Please stay with us on SM… I, for one, cherish your input and valuable information.

      QUESTION OF THE DAY, MONKEYS:

      WHERE IS VOCKING??????????????????????????????????

      *****~~~~ JUSTICE FOR NATALEE *~~~~~

    105. A New Girl on February 22nd, 2008 5:27 am

      WHERE IS VOCKING??

      WHERE IS VOCKING???

      WHERE IS VOCKING????

      WHERE IS VOCKING?????

      WHERE IS VOCKING??????

      Wonder how the Sporter is holding out in his stinking hiding place…Yoo Hoo!? JORAN!!??

      WHERE IS VOCKING????????????????
      HOW’S UR DAD?? LOL Duary… STILL SLEEPING LIKE A BABY AT NIGHT, JORAN?? (Not!)

      WHERE IS VOCKING????????????????????????????

      WHERE IS VOCKING ???????????????????????????????

      -J4N

    106. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 22nd, 2008 5:40 am

      URINE VAN DER SCUM — CANNOT CONTROL HIMSELF, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, AND IS A-G-A-I-N CAUGHT ON TAPE.

      WATCH THE VIDEOTAPE OF URINE THROWING THE WINE IN THAT GUY’S EYES, AND YOU HAVE THE WHOLE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE.

      NOTE HOW ‘THE MONSTER OF ARUBA’ SUDDENLY SNAPS AND LASHES OUT PHYSICALLY AT OTHERS WHEN THWARTED, AND ACTS LIKES HE’S ENTIRELY AND UTTERLY COMFORTABLE AND USED TO DOING SO — NO REMORSE AT ALL.

      AND DADDY-DEAREST PAULASS STANDS BY, SMILING LIKE AN IDIOT, CONDONING AND SUPPORTING HIS SOCIOPATHIC SPAWN’S BEHAVIOR — INSTEAD OF CORRECTING HIS SON’S ASSAULTIVE, ANTI-SOCIAL ACTION TOWARD ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

      A DRUGGED NATALEE AT SOME POINT DRIFTED BACK INTO CONCIOUSNESS, SAID ‘NO’ — AND THAT WAS THE LAST ANYONE EVER SAW OF NATALEE … LITERALLY.

      ARUBA SUCKS.

      THE DUTCH ANTILLES SUCK.

      THE NETHERLANDS SUCK.

      ENABLERS AND ABETTORS IN VIOLENT CRIME, ONE AND ALL, IN MY BOOK.

      DIE, ARUBA, DIE.

      HAVE A NICE DAY AGAIN TODAY, LOSING SCORES OF THOUSANDS OF TOURIST DOLLARS — I WILL, EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT IT.

    107. Vicki on February 22nd, 2008 6:38 am

      This whole nitemare is so horrible…I feel like you Richard…sometimes I say…this is to much..I cant go on..and then I will hear the name Natalee or Holloway Street..or reference to the yellow brick road..I know Natalee is reaching out to us..all of us who have been here for her..Let her voice be heard..LET THE INJUSTICE DONE TO HER BE HEARD….the SUBHUMANS who have tried to rob her of JUSTICE and diminish her name need to FALL to their knees and ask for forgiveness..THEY ARE ALL GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBAG…PEOPLE GOING TO NY AND BOSTON GOD BLESS YOU ALL…STAY SAFE..GO WITH GOD….

    108. Amsterdam 020 on February 22nd, 2008 7:13 am

      @102

      A lot of Dutch people think that De Vries made a fool of himself because he announced his show with the tapes so arrogantly and then it turned out he didn’t solve the case at all.

      Most Dutch thought he would have had more evidence than just the car ‘confession’ and are now dissapointed that nothing happened.

      Nobody is talking about it anymore.

    109. brie on February 22nd, 2008 7:33 am

      No more getting away with any of this, there are witnesses, all suspects have now been released, bring these guys in and question them as witnesses, they can’t remain silent anymore….

      If Joran confessed at the very beginning why wasn’t he arrested then….Paulus stepped in and made things disappear…..

      Joran said in one statement that he had sex with Natalee at his house, then they went to the fisherman’s hut…yeah to dispose of her body not to sight see…

    110. brie on February 22nd, 2008 7:43 am

      I think there is more information out there that we haven’t seen….can’t see to much in 90 minutes when Patrick was collecting information in for 6 months….

      Amsterdam sounds like something Joran would post!!!

    111. Vicki on February 22nd, 2008 7:47 am

      107- REALLY?????LOTS OF DUTCH are still FURIOUS…maybe where you live under thatrock there is noone talking about that PIG URINE, but where I am and what I hear and see LOTS of PEOPLE are speaking about that LOWLIFE FILTHY ANIMAL…GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT….IDIOT…

      BY THE WAY>>>GOOD NEWS FROM THE PERSISTENCE…things are getting interesting….

    112. katablog on February 22nd, 2008 8:28 am

      #107 AmsterDAMM: You are so funny! Yeah, DeVries “just had a tape” of Joran confessing at least 10 different times to being with Natalee when she died, having Papa sloot throw her body into the ocean not knowing if she was dead or alive, calling Natalee horrible names and saying that if they found his semen on her he’d be in trouble.

    113. Saoirse on February 22nd, 2008 8:30 am

      Hey Aruba & Holland!

      Where are the missing witness statements!

      Seizures?

      Corruption!

      Cover up!

      One Nightmare Eiland!

      ArubaGate

      HollanGate

    114. longjack on February 22nd, 2008 8:50 am

      # 107

      I am alluding more to the German speaking region.

      They now know Joran as the one who DeVries fingered.

      Joran won’t be able to get pull off his rowdy act in the German speaking region, anyway, and as soon as he tries everyone will know who he is.

    115. longjack on February 22nd, 2008 9:17 am

      # 112

      Katablog:

      It makes one wonder what the burden of proof is there, doesn’t it.

      DeVries serves up material direct from the horses’s mouth on a silver platter, the Dutch/Aruban legal entities disregard it, and now it’s DeVries’s fault for having the arrogance to feel he supplied strong evidence.

      It sounds to me that they’re in denial or are apologists for the inadequacies of their own legal system.

      in contrast, lashing out at the inadequacies of our own legal system is a talk radio mainstay here.

    116. Hoepelman on February 22nd, 2008 9:25 am

      Amsterdam 020 does have a point. Assuming De Vries is as well versed as is claimed on matters of Dutch Law and crime investigation, he should have known that corroborating evidence were necessary to obtain an arrest order and he should have continued the under covered investigation, until more information was obtained (who’s Daury, by getting Joran to change the letters he said had to be changed, who’s boat, how, when and where, how he drugged Natalee, information on other accomplices, etc.).

      I believe the indignation from having a glass of wine thrown in his face limited De Vries judgment and he precipitated the airing of the tapes.

    117. kaye on February 22nd, 2008 9:27 am

      #67 txchic……i agree 100%……and the CowPoos are now suing Dr. Phil because of what?
      defamation,invasion of privacy, emotional distress,fraud, deceit, civil conspiracy ? those freakin idiots! even their own mother ms cowpoo stated “everyone is lying”. these are the things that natalees family should be suing the entire ALE for!!!poor little cowpoos!! in the famous words of nancy grace…wha, wha, wha.

    118. elisabeth on February 22nd, 2008 9:39 am

      Patrick has testified thursday morning on Aruba, voluntarily. Daily tips and information is still coming in and 25 detecives are said to work on the case. The OM vigorously denies that an arrest of Patrick has ever been considered, just rumors it is said.

    119. kaye on February 22nd, 2008 9:41 am

      108 amsterdam…..you’re delusional.
      DeVries is a genius and Van de Eem is brillant. both did what no one else in aruba or the netherlands had the BALLS to do.everything that we already suspected was laid out before whole world, including netherlands and aruba, to see. PERIOD. 20 hours, days of taping that piece of crap vanderscum…….no one can deny the truth. it doesn’t matter how they did it, THEY DID IT. they have opened the perverbial “can of worms”!!!!!!

    120. longjack on February 22nd, 2008 9:41 am

      # 116

      What you described sounds like the job description for police interrogators.

      Are the Dutch interrogators so toothless they need the case delivered to them by PI’s complete and gift-wrapped?

    121. Betsy on February 22nd, 2008 9:46 am

      Vicki #111

      What is good news from Persistence? They have not updated their blog in a moon’s age (Feb. 17).

      I hope they are able to work. All information lately is that the weather is hampering them.

    122. Dolf on February 22nd, 2008 9:55 am

      120 Longjack….here in Holland there is lots of critism at the police/ justice department, but not about the Holloway case.

      and P.R. de Vries is an arrogant SOB (he is, before the Holloway case and he will be after)

    123. disgustedmom on February 22nd, 2008 10:10 am

      #95 Love the rap song!

      Yesterday, by the Beatles…as sung by Paulus

      Yesterday
      All my troubles seemed so far away
      Had my lawsuits ready for us to bank
      A lot of cash for being skanks

      Yesterday
      I had it covered from the start
      That no one would know who stopped the heart
      Of Natalee, she looked so sweet once she wasn’t able to tell on me, didn’t she.

      Oh, Sporter,
      Why’d
      You
      Have to try
      To impress Patrick
      To get a job in the drug market?
      I told you I would set you up
      With all my slaves who owe me faves and get you in.
      All you had to do
      was repeat the lies
      and say a lie’s a lie
      And we’d have won
      And you’d have impressed
      The other leaders in my gang
      And you could’ve moved on up the ranks
      Like I have done.

      Yesterday
      You fell short of being trustworthy to the Man
      You couldn’t wait for me to finish what I began
      Now you’ve even gotten me kicked out
      Of the underworld clan
      No one believes anymore in our Yesterdays.

    124. disgustedmom on February 22nd, 2008 10:17 am

      Here’s one for the witnesses…..sung to the tune of Rescue Me

      Save Yourself
      They’re gonna blame you
      Save Yourself
      You’re gonna all be screwed
      Cause they are heartless, it so ture
      You’d gonna all be royally screwed
      Come on and Save Yourself
      It’s not to late you know
      You might do time, but at least you know
      You’ll be alive
      And not end up like Nat
      Can’t you see, you’re a liablility
      Save Yourself!

    125. longjack on February 22nd, 2008 10:24 am

      #122

      To clarify my point:

      From a German speaking region perspective, DeVries is well known as someone who can unravel coverups.

      If Joran is DeVries’s target there is a reason for it. The details of the case aren’t necessary. Joran is a problem due to the fact DeVries is after him.

      If Joran acts up in a German speaking region he won’t be given a do-over.

      As to DeVries being arrogant, from my experience, again from a German speaking region perspective, an “arrogant Dutchman” is a redundancy ;>)

    126. always 1 on February 22nd, 2008 10:25 am

      im sure you all already know that dateline is showing ‘new imformation on natalee holloway’ tonight….channel 8 where i live…..

    127. WHERE'S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN? on February 22nd, 2008 10:41 am

      THAT MONSTROUS EXCUSE FOR HUMANITY THREW THE WINE IN HIS E-Y-E-S, ON PURPOSE.

      PUT JUST A DROP OR TWO IN YOUR EYES AND SEE HOW BAD IT HURTS.

      AND URINE LOOKED LIKE HE FELT EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE AND VERY USED TO SUCH BEHAVIOR AS HE DID IT.

      DADDY-DEAREST PAULASS JUST SMILED LIKE THE IMBECILE HE IS.

      URINE AND PAULASS VAN DER SLEAZE ARE BOTH SOCIOPATHIC IDIOTS, AND ANYONE WHO MAKES EXCUSES FOR THEM IS, TOO.

      THAT INCLUDES ASCREWBA, THE DUTCH ANITLLES, AND THE NETHERLANDS.

      HE C-O-N-F-E-S-S-E-D ON T-A-P-E — AND THEN HE COMMITTED A-N-O-T-H-E-R ASSAULT ON TAPE, YOU MORON.

      WHY HAS THE NETHERLANDS PROVIDED A HAVEN FOR THIS FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE FOR ALL THIS TIME?

      AND WHERE’S NATALEE????????????

    128. Tony on February 22nd, 2008 10:55 am

      Daury means Daddy i think.

    129. kaye on February 22nd, 2008 11:23 am

      http://www.reallycreepypeople.blogspot.com…..

      sept 27, 2007 “Natalee Holloway:Someone Knows the Truth” someone either has a VERY, VERY vivid imagination or this “anoymous” person is right on…….and i’m just like everyone else seeking answers and justice for natalee and grabbing at every straw i can, but, doesn’t the gardener thing sound just a little too good to be true? have they looked in these places? maybe the ocean thing is just a red herring. maybe the reason papa slut was sweating bullets the day beth arrived at his front gate and he invited them in for a chat was because she was too close to natalee’s body? just a thought. i wouldn’t dismiss any clue at this stage of the game, no matter how far fetched it might seem. and why haven’t heard anything else about the 17 yr old island boy who say joran and natalee at the lighthouse and joran gave him $$ to keep his mouth shut? that young man “died” like a week later. more coverups, more lies. aruba sucks!!

    130. Dar on February 22nd, 2008 11:39 am

      BREAKING NEWS:

      Joran Van Der Sloot and his Father Paulus Van Der Sloot found over dosed on GHB. Apparently the victims of their own decietful sport.

      They were scouting for a new “Drug and Rape Victim.”

      Witness said they had saw the two talking with a young blond girl they were buying drinks for.

      Witness stated that within moments both Joran and Paulus fell to floor convulsing and shaking uncontrollably. It is speculated that they had accidently drank from the victims drink instead of their own and their scheme backfired.

      Anita plans to have services in Aruba placing their remains in a crab cage for internment in the deep blue sea off of the coast of Aruba….

      More on this story as it happens….
      ___________________________
      SM: Note – the above post is satire (klaasend)

    131. Patti on February 22nd, 2008 12:13 pm

      Kaye:

      I agree. There was a massive cover-up that resulted in the suspicious deaths of several people… and it continues today. No one on Aruba is going to go against the Arawak Nation. They are much too powerful and are, ever, as much violent as those associated with organized crime. Besides, according to Oduber, 97,000 people would not want the truth of what happened to Natalee to come out as it would ruin their reputations. They would no longer be known as the “Happy Island” and visitors would stay away.

      IF the government is tied in with the Arawak Nation, which I believe it is; there is never justice in Aruba. Just think of the parents of Pitbull, the bouncer from the bar that Deepak stopped at on his way to the rocks… nothing but a carcass, charred over an open fire with hundreds of knife wounds. To this day, nothing has been done to bring his murderers to justice. Perhaps, it is a matter of the wolves tending to the hen house.

      .

      ARAWAK!

    132. always 1 on February 22nd, 2008 12:38 pm

      i wonder who has the actual keys to get in the lighthouse, and how many ports can you take a boat out in aruba….i did google earth on aruba and it looks awfully shallow in some places…does anybody know…..

    133. always 1 on February 22nd, 2008 1:04 pm

      wouldnt that be something if they actually entombed her and the body was right there all the time….

    134. kaye on February 22nd, 2008 1:30 pm

      133 always maybe our own FBI would be interested in that theory……..it’s about time they got involved whether aruba wants them or not. i’ve always wondered why they didn’t get involved in this from day one.

    135. maryd on February 22nd, 2008 2:32 pm

      #130. Dar

      Very funny!! LOL

    136. always 1 on February 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm

      i sent the FBI a message on the missing persons list…they do not even have Natalee on it….they will probably lock me up instead..ha/// but it would be much better if they would look unstead of the arubans….
      ___________________
      SM: Natalee is on the Birmingham FBI site in the “Seaking Information” section where most of the people in that section have been murdered:

      http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm

    137. always 1 on February 22nd, 2008 3:35 pm

      then i sent an email to coast guard asking them who would have a key to the light house….then i called the NATIONAL LIGHT HOUSE SOCIETY and they said i would have to ask the aruba police….when i get locked away for asking too many questions i hope some of you will write to me….

    138. ayfit on February 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm

      Hey posters;
      Ever seen any one person get the love and attention,not to mention press as Natalee has. Do you think she has left her mark on Aruba? I think so. One can not think of Aruba without thinking of Natalee. This was true before Devries trap. Mr. Devries has made this case a WORLD WIDE issue.[with jorans confession]
      good job Pete. I spoke with Dave Holloway today,what a class act. Dave has a pretty good idea what happened to his beautiful daughter,as do all of us, We all see the game face on t.v. Let’s not forget this familys quiet time. You know the time when it’s hell.
      Dave,Beth and family,you’re in so many prayers by so many people,I’m sure justice will prevail. Good Luck. You are loved by many.

    139. A New Girl on February 22nd, 2008 6:06 pm

      WHERE IS VOCKING?????????????????

      WHERE IS NATALEE???

      JORAN, DID PAPA SLOOT GET YOU A CUSTOM-MADE BULLET PROOF VEST YET??? YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY FLUSHED DOWN THE CRAPPER, BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO BE LOSING ANY SLEEP OVER THAT FACT.

      WHERE IS VOCKING?????????

      -J4N

      -J4N

    140. Open a Window on February 22nd, 2008 6:09 pm

      always 1, you seem very convinced that Natalee is under the lighthouse steps. Whatever you do, don’t go to the Aruban police!
      You just need some sympathetic Arubans with shovels . . .

    141. Bob on February 22nd, 2008 8:55 pm

      Richard: what is the exact location (building name?) of the Boston Travel Show Protest. Pls post here.

    142. Bob on February 22nd, 2008 9:34 pm

      Cancel # 141 request, details found.

    143. nctripp on February 22nd, 2008 10:08 pm

      Is it true that the bouncer at the 2nd bar was murdered and that the witness of Joran and Natalie at the light house was paid off and then went missing???

    144. Bob on February 22nd, 2008 10:11 pm

      Timing could not have been better! The northeast is under assault from a snow / ice storm keeping many people from traveling out in the evening. when they don’t go out, they stay home and watch TV. Featured prominently on one of the biggest TV networks in the U.S. – NBC – on primetime, they aired Dateline…a recap story about natalee Holloway. No viewer could possibly come away without plainly seeing the Great Aruba Farce of the Century. Boy do they look like Sh*t. And this program viewed by 10′s of millions aired 1 day before the Boston Tourism show. Excellent timing! What right thinking person would ever consider going to Aruba again????? No one. And the NYC show is next weekend. Aruba: think BOYCOTT will be a way of life.

    145. nctripp on February 22nd, 2008 10:26 pm

      Question ..I thought this site had a section where you could find and read past documents
      about the case but now I can’t find this.I have a very interesting clue I want to check aaginst
      something I read in the transcript of the 3
      in the cop car during the first arrest.
      ________________________
      SM: Here is the link in the forum where that police transcript is. It’s translated a couple times by two different people.
      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

    146. waterboy (Jerry) on February 22nd, 2008 11:41 pm

      always 1,

      If you are legitimately interested in this case, to follow is more than enough to keep you entertained (poor choice of words).

      You have asked some questions about the lighthouse and interesting, I’ve always felt like something went on there. Many of us do. Video # 8 at the 2 min. 45 second point (known as the Chicago videos) is very disturbing.

      As you know, Art Wood found a belt in the area of the sand dunes, which are located not far from the rock area (less than 800 yards I’m about 80% on this), where many of us believe Natalee’s body was (or perhaps parts of her body were, I know that is harsh).

      The restaurant that was at one time the residence for the light keeper (surely it has been added on to over the years), had a tunnel that connected the two, so the light keeper could get from the residence to the lighthouse in adverse weather is necessary. Is the tunnel still present? I would speculate — most likely.

      http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/birdseye.png http://www.flickr.com/photos/iansavage/421361644/
      I think this photo is courtesy of Carpe. The rock site is I believe, on the right side of the picture, and off the main road which wraps a winding course up and around to the lighthouse, which is higher in elevation than the surrounding terrain. In the middle to the left is something that looks like a golf course. That is because it is. There were houses etc. under construction at the time (May 05) and heavy equipment on site (skid loaders, backhoe loaders). If you think backhoes are hard to operate, I have a friend whose 7 year old can dig up trees with one.

      http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/ The first few photos (Carpe’s stuff) show Joran and Paulus on or about June 10, 2005. This is in the lighthouse area or rock area. Joran was supposed to be in jail. (So much for the world being told that Paulus was not allowed to visit Joran.)

      http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/?action=view&current=calilighthouse1.png Another Carpe picture of the lighthouse. Notice the golf course off to the right.

      Here is a puzzle for you. This is about “Harry the Nose” Captain (Major?) Harry Jongen.
      Do a little research, and I’m sure you will come to the same conclusions that I have. http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/04/aruba-answer-question-how-do-you-know.html

      http://home.scarlet.be/ed.ragas/awsrecoverylatest.html

      I think Harry (rank of major) was still active military, or activated on a need to be basis, with travel, lodging, and entertainment thrown in. You have got to learn to hide or say no if you have “specialized” skills. Otherwise your “friends” in high places will insist that you assist them on a “need to be” basis. It may be for no other reason than the entertaining stories you tell—all at taxpayer’s expense.

      Jerry

    147. Arnoud on February 23rd, 2008 1:00 am

      Thanks for the information Richard ! I have always wondered why I could not find Natalee on the FBI´s missing person list.

      BTW, that it reads at the bottom of the page of Natalee´s dissapearance :”It should be noted that this information is provided for investigative purposes only and no accusations of guilt or criminal involvement are inferred. No person(s) has been charged in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, and under United States law all persons are considered innocent until proven guilty. ”

      Reading this Scared Monkeys page, as a Dutch person, I almost got the impression that “innocent until proven guilty” does not hold in the USA.

    148. waterboy (Jerry) on February 23rd, 2008 9:47 am

      You know, it’s interesting that I’ve never found anything about a search of the golf course. There are water traps, sand traps, etc., and it comes right up to the lighthouse.

      I’ve ask many times, why? No one has ever replied, so just as a measure of self-protection of my own ego, I won’t ask again, but only make statements that deserver no reply.

      As far as I can tell, the golf course was never searched. The home sites that were under construction were not searched. Membership list for the country club were never investigated. Grounds keepers were never interviewed.

      Everyone knows I think Natalee is in the landfill, but I’m open to anything else too, and I’m not going to stop looking.

      Jerry

      Jerry

    149. always 1 on February 23rd, 2008 11:20 am

      thank you waterboy, that is the most interesting information i have seen yet and i have gone back and read everything i can get my hands on…i will keep researching and bothering people until Beth gets to bring her child home….thanks again…

    150. 10061906 on February 23rd, 2008 11:53 am

      Hi Waterboy: haven’t posted for a while as I have been off on my own checking the light house and was busy trying to help out with the Boston and NY protests. I cannot find any history about that building other than it was the lighthouse keepers’ home. (structually)
      The restuarant there says it closes at 11:00PM. That would seem kind of late for an off night like a Sunday since you need a taxi or rental to get there. Just what time does it close on Sunday? I have searched and found many photos of the lighthouse area including the area of the Chicago Vids. It is a little dirt section off the paved road. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t that lighthouse area where it was stated Aruban teens go to have booze, drugs and sex? Not necessarily in that order. Two psychics I have been in touch with both pointed to an area near the light house as to where Natalee was taken.
      But suddenly the crime scene changes to the Marriot per Joran. Why? Just food for thought. I’m glad you are still at it: Never give in and never give up.
      Aruba should harken to the words of Pious X.
      “WITHOUT JUSTICE THERE IS NO PEACE”

    151. 10061906 on February 23rd, 2008 11:59 am

      BTW forgot to mention. There was a tourist that reported being drugged and taken to a desert area and beaten and raped. She was released by saying she would not report it to the polis. No matter they would not have down anything any way. But the area around the lighthouse to the north is a desert that actually stretches down to the ocean.
      I am trying to find that link and what night that happened.
      BTW has anything further been reported about Joyce Buckley? She was found drugged in her parents room after disappearing overnight. MFFT

    152. 10061906 on February 23rd, 2008 12:17 pm

      BTW: Don’t the first five lies start out with:
      “We took Natalee to the light house”?
      The fourth lie introduces sex. The five lie changes the crime scene to the Marriot.
      In the early stages I blew it off because a guard said they were never there at the light house.
      IN RETROSPECT WHAT GUARD?
      Was I that naive???????????????

    153. waterboy (Jerry) on February 23rd, 2008 1:02 pm

      I started to describe this in detail, but I am reluctant to do so. It is just too graphic, so I’ll just tell the story in generalizations.

      I have a friend who is a surgeon. He told me when he was a young surgical resident in a large hospital that he got called in on a rape case.

      If you think serious injuries cannot occur in a rape case, think again.

      The young lady was 23 years old. She had lost massive amounts of blood, and was not beaten, stabbed, or shot.

      A single assailant assaulted her.

      Surgical procedures required over 3 hours, and the young lady required a colostomy for a few months.

      If Natalee’s injuries had been to the extent of this young ladies, do you think Paulus or Joran would have taken her for help?

      Jerry

    154. waterboy (Jerry) on February 23rd, 2008 1:09 pm

      Here are the videos. Video #8 at the 2 min. 45 second (I may be off 10 seconds) is the most shocking.

      http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/10/08/videos-from-search-for-natalee-raise-more-questions/

      Jerry

    155. always 1 on February 23rd, 2008 2:35 pm

      waterboy, do you have a list of pharologists that we could contact for more information on how the light house was built originally???

    156. 10061906 on February 23rd, 2008 6:22 pm

      Here are a couple of names that have really avoided the radar:
      Darwin Duberto and Giliam van der Stratten.

    157. cybergal on February 24th, 2008 12:23 pm

      Who is the person that found a leg (thigh human) bone while scuba diving in Aruba right after Natalee disappeared? Apparently they brought the bone to Aruban authorities and they quickly dismissed it? Apparently she was a nurse? Has anyone from Natalee’s family followed up on that? I read it on one of the blogs from here and well, it seems to be important information….

      I hope that Aruba continues to lose money from Tourism. Families, do not allow your daughters to visit – predators like Urineslut and Fatherslut prey on your daughters…..Boycott the Netherlands too….for that matter.

    158. cybergal on February 24th, 2008 12:45 pm

      # 154 Waterboy, did anyone ever find out what was being covered up on June 11th in that #8 video clip? That is too strange…..if they felt something needed covering up, it must have been a body or something. Has Natalee’s family seen that and questioned it?

    159. Dolf on February 26th, 2008 7:45 am

      longjack on February 22nd, 2008 10:24 am

      nice 1 :) (Dutch arogance)

      will use that on your countrymen when I almost break my neck on a Dutch beach tripping in a german dag pit ;p

      (this is something German-Dutch rivalery)

    160. kaye on February 26th, 2008 1:31 pm

      #143 nctripp…..the 17 yr old that jvds saw at the lighthouse when he was with natalee was found dead june 4 his name was Kerwin Anthony Goijla.
      http://www.arubanboycott.blogspot.com/search/label/Murder%20and20%Crime
      scroll down through the articles, you will see him.
      also #145 nctripp timelines for Natalees case, same website, on the right is a list , select “timeline”, “witnesses” and “corruption”

    161. nctripp on February 26th, 2008 5:01 pm

      Thanks kaye!!!

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