RSSNatalee Holloway: Greta Van Susteren Finally Admits She was Wrong About Joran Van der Sloot
“I am inclined to believe him”. (Greta Van Susteren)
Greta is choking on those words that she said following her past interview she did with Joran Van der Sloot in 2006. She couldn’t back peddle fast enough from those comments after the Peter De Vries tapes came out this past weekend.
After all this time Greta Van Susteren has to finally admit she was wrong about Joran Van der Sloot. So Greta, “are you not inclined to believe him”? Greta admits that she made a poor evaluation. Well, its about time. Read the full transcript HERE.
TACOPINA: Fair enough. Fair enough. But I think — look, for a living, I sort of make an evaluation of people and…
VAN SUSTEREN: So do I, and I made a poor one. I made a poor one.
On tonights show when Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty are on, Greta Van Susteren … you owe them both an apology.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, and I — I actually — I mean, I think that’s sort of — I mean, I think it’s significant they didn’t detain him. But you know, when I met Joran, he seemed like — you know, he seemed like a young kid and he was very earnest. And against his parents’ advice, he — you know, he sat down and talked to us against his lawyer’s advice.
And you listen to him in this tape, he’s just a cocky, nasty kid. And it’s that same sort of description that Beth Holloway gave to me on that first night when they first met him, when they rushed to that island to try and find out what happened to her daughter, is that he’s a nasty, cocky kid. And it’s almost like, OK, when the cameras turn on and he knows about it, he’s this, you know, good student, loves his parents. I mean, and I know that from talking to his mother and father, they love him, but I know that he had some, like — there were some issues about whether he was an angry kid and (INAUDIBLE) school. You know, like, it’s almost like there are two very different people.
TACOPINA: You know, I obviously knew him when the cameras were off and spoke to him, although in the setting of this case.
VAN SUSTEREN: I don’t know if you did know him when he’s off. Why would he not be nice to you?
TACOPINA: I said when the cameras are off. I mean…
VAN SUSTEREN: No, no, no. But I mean, he had every — he had every motive to impress you, too, as he did us.
Posted February 6, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Personal | 90 comments |
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Now maybe ppl will understand that maybe Natalee saw the charming side that he puts on to trick ppl…if he could do this to adults what chane did nat have???? SHAME ON YOU LIERUBA….PITY YOURSELFS…YOU WILL NEVER RECOVER…this MONSTER is worse than the BAD SEED…so now everyone sees SATANS SPAWN for what he is…May the LORD bless you Dave and Beth…this dispicable pig will get his….
A cocky, nasty kid? Cocky and nasty are so goddamned mild it’s pathetic. She still can’t bring herself to say it.
How about a narcisistic, thuggish, cunning, lying, manipulative, conniving, impulsive, drug addicted, sociopathic rapist.
What I miss?
And Natalee Holloway is DEAD because of him.
And therefore dangerous. A public health risk. But he’s Holland’s public health risk. He was Aruba’s public health risk, and look what happened.
There are alot of people that are going to be eating their share of crow as time goes on. We couldn’t convince them, but Joran convinced them for us.
Taco Joe is still at it, trying to convince the world of Joran’s innocence. Joe doesn’t know when to stop! Someone needs to pull him off his stage with a shepard’s hook! Did he not see the 20+ hours of tape? 10 different confessions all pointing at himself?
Police and Dr. Hodges said confessions always have lies weaved into the truth. Suspects do this to make themselves look more favorable.
And, Tac Joe….. FYI
The van der Sloots are NOT, I repeat NOT NOT NOT sweet people! Before you go even farther down this road of no return, here’s a little news flash for you…..
PAULUS IS INVOLVED UP TO HIS EYEBALLS IN THIS THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time to distance yourself from these losers or, as you wish, stay in bed with them.
The world is watching Taco Joe and people all over the world are tuning in just to laugh at you! I must admit, you are quite entertaining to watch.
I have nothing to say about Greta except to quote Bush 1, Too little, too late.
As for Joe…I saw him on some show where a reporter was following him around and he was being pushed on this ‘confession’ and he was angry! He said, “Joran, SHUT UP!” LOL
This was not a sit-down interview with Joe. So I’m inclined to believe Joe is scared and that he knows Joran is guilty.
I still do not understand why Joe from the USA is involved still.
Beth was right on the money on Joran being cocky and Greta found him to be earnest, even though she had his case history of having anger managment problems.
I would have thought Greta was more savy than that to let him woe her to his side. Greta should have known better she knows what criminal behavior is like.
Nancy Grace like Beth knew right away what she was dealing with. I trust her judgement.
I wonder what crow tastes like.
Looks like alot of it has been served up lately.
At least Greta has the guts to admit she was wrong…when will Joe, Julia, and the nutcase so called psychics do the same.
I think that Greta and Joe were fooled by a sociopath. It’s easy for them to lie and fool people because they don’t have the feelings a normal person has and don’t react the way we’re used to. Lie studies have also been done and reveal that it’s very hard to tell if a person, sociopath or not, is lying unless you know them well and their usual behavior. Even then, you may not know if they’re lying, the researcher stated. The research I’m referring to is in a book called Telling Lies: Clues to Deceit in the Marketplace, Politics, and Marriage by Paul Ekman.
Domestic violence abusers are also great at lying and fooling people with their charming behavior and appealingly pathetic side. They often fool their lawyers and other officials by causing them to feel sorry for them due to what they have manipulatively and deceitfully described as their partner’s horrible behavior toward them.
I think Greta was being honest about her reaction to Joran and there’s nothing wrong with that. She also probably wanted to keep the door open to more interviews with him. Greta’s inclination to believe Joran is a good example of how convincing a sociopath is.
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Unfortunately most people listen to sound bites and therefore may miss this (though I know the SM’s wouldn’t) but boy is Tacopinia having a rough time trying to defend Joran. He’s grasping at straws – in this case Marijuana to try to explain his despicable client.
Notice how before the confession tapes played, Tacopinia has a much easier time ignoring them and he’s pretty calm. Then the confession tapes play and he goes berserk in his first TV interview.
By the time Greta gets him, he’s heard what a fool he appeared as the first time and has calmed down, collected all his little straws to throw into the mix, yet still can’t explain his despicable client.
It’s time to bail Tacopinia. The van der Sloot’s ain’t gonna have a cent left to pay for your talking head and anything further you do will only make you look more slimy and unbelievable. There won’t be a person left on earth who will ever believe you again. Bail now, admit that Joran is such a sociopath that he fooled even you. Oh the BTW, nice try telling us how “sweet” the van der Sloots are. If you act fast you can convince us you meant “sweat”. They raised this sociopath and have covered up and covered up for him. Even Hans Mos tells us that Aruba police had proof that he’s not the “delicious sporter” Anita has tried to make out.
Anita: so you told us Joran doesn’t do drugs. We saw him smoking weed. You told us Joran doesn’t drink. Joran says otherwise. You told us Joran wouldn’t have sex without a condom – he did. You told us Joran didn’t have anger problems – he does. What set of lies are you going to try to feed people next.
well now ! even greta believes he’s guilty and i believe taco joe knows he is too but he is too much like sloot to say so.
What, is Joe part of the family now?
Joe TacopinoSloot!
Give it up Joe. 20 + jours buddy, that’s a lot of dialogue to get yourselves out of and it ain’t gonna happen!
Next Joe will be saying Patrick tied Joran down and force fed him those giant pot stix.
Keep it up Joe, we all need good laughs countless times a day. You Tube goes on and on and on providing us with countless chuckles at your expense.
Tacopina has what 4 daughters and a wife? Wonder if they saw the show?
Step away now Tacopina, do the right thing, come clean and tell us how much AHATA paid you?
#2 You forgot murderer.
What really happened to Natalee was so horrible that even someone as evil as urin HAD to sugar coat it a little !!!
If it’s true that Joe has 4 daughters, he is a worse media/money whore than I originally thought. How can any man with a daughter, let alone 4, stand up for this scum of the earth?
Natalee was a good girl and by now even Joe knows that too. She was duped by J2K and its not okay to defend the Sloots anymore Joe.
There’s a country western song, “Know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em.”
IT’S TIME TO FOLD ‘EM JOE!
Is he under a contract with the Sloots or is he just under a “trance”
Greta continual demonstrates why, as an attorney, she made the right career choice to become a TV talking airhead. Well, like they say, for each who graduate at the head of the class, there is another at the bottom. Her 2006 interview of Urine was absolutely pathetic…only softball questions…what a forum she provided for his spin.
As for Taco Joe, he sums up the worst in everything lawyers have come to stand for in the US. He was the vanderslime’s lawyer for the US lawsuits…which have been discharged through the courts and are closed. I really find it very hard to believe that Daddy vanderslime’s would still be shilling out money at Taco’s hourly rate PLUS have Dutch lawyers and Aruban lawyers to pay. Joe Taco is still out putting his face on television for no other reason than publicity…and since he is so fervently defending the indefensible…I can only imagine that his target audience for this publicity is organized crime, child molesters, and the like. What pride he must feel building a career on the graves of the innocent. There is no doubt Taco knew exactly what is client was and is, for it is to recognize ones self in others.
It won’t hurt Greta one bit. La-di-da, get a new hairdo … just shoot my mouth off some more.
That’s basically what these talk shows are about.
I can’t believe he has four daughters! What example is he setting for them?
Close your eyes Joe. Ask yourself this question.
Would you be willing to leave any or all of your daughters in the care of Joran van der Sloot?
If the answer to that question is NO, then you need to question what the hell you are doing on TV defending this rapist/murderer!
I have a question..why do these news people interview Joe Tap”dancer”? True, he is Joran’s attorney, but ONLY in the good old USA. He is NOT Joran’s attorney in Aruba, THUS he really doesn’t actually know what he is talking about and doesn’t actually defend Joran. I would bet he is not even privy to some of the evidence, information that has come about in Aruba because he is not licensed in Aruba. So again I ask the question, why do they interview him?
It’s pathetic really, Joe still trying to say Joran didn’t commit a crime. Is it not a crime to leave someone passed out, struggling to live, dump them in the ocean without calling for help? Isn’t this some sort of obstruction of justice, that he hindered the investigation? There are crmies all over the place.
Joran had a pattern of behavior for rapists and on the fatal night, his victim had too much to drink and he miscalculated that fact when she was slipped GHB or X. The convulsions, “shaking” is a result of the GHB/alcohol mix. That is the reason he did NOT call for help.
Karma is coming back to bite him in the ass. I hope Karma finishes him off.
Meanwhile, folks, some of us were wondering why Joran went to such lengths to try to exculpate the Kalpoes, given that their statements and behavior make it impossible for us to believe that they had no involvement at all with Natalee.
Well, guess what? Their lawsuit vs. Dr. Phil is up and going again … read this: their lawyer says that Joran’s ‘confession’ proves their innocence, and he’s out for the big bucks.
So could this be another possible motive in what Joran said, and, more importantly, didn’t say?
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-02-06-holloway-dr-phil-lawsuit_N.htm?csp=34
Tacopina will one day meet his maker. I hope that before that day comes he has hit his knees and truly ask for forgivness for his lies, his job, and this case in particular. If not, he will be with Van der Sloot for enternity.
Close your eyes Joe TacoSloot and ask yourself this…
Which of your 4 daughters could handle a GHB cocktail and the weight of Joran van der Sloot pinning her down and holding her by the throat?
Joe, you make me sick!
Here’s the text to that USA Today article, in case something happens to the link. The headline is very misleading, but we know the background:
Holloway suit vs. Dr. Phil can proceed
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist “Dr. Phil” McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.
“I’m going to take Dr. Phil down,” he said outside the courtroom.
The ruling came a day after ABC’s 20/20 aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen’s body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.
Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager’s death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway’s disappearance.
The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway’s disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the Dr. Phil talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to “create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway.”
The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.
Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients’ defamation case.
“It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn’t it?” Cremer said.
In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.
But the judge gave the Kalpoes’ lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.
“The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case,” Ferns stated in his ruling. “There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case.”
In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway’s parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.
I find it totally irresponsible, illogical and totally incomprehensible why anyone in a serious intellectual debate refuses to step outside the circle in order to fully understand what psychological characteristics contribute to the criminal mind. I mentioned to some one that sole footprints if administered to a victim, the bruises would show a pattern and remain on the body. That person told me that I was full of—to think anyone would use their feet to kill someone. Example the three month old baby that was thrown from the car window that had his head stomped on and crushed by his father.
Just think what the violent impact would be on a victim from deranged sex offending strangers who know they can get away with murder..
Would it be more or would it be less? You be the judge.
The violent tendencies of the criminal mind stem from either genetics or an earlier traumatic experience that manifests and grows during maturity. If the mother son relationship and the daughter father relationships do not develop then serious implications can and do develop over the years.
This is what JusticeforNatalee refuses to recognize.
But be as it may Dave Holloway is convinced that Dr Hodges is correct yet Beth Twitty believes Devries is correct. Both implicate Joran, both have different scenarios but both lead up to the fact and do not change the fact that Natalee is probably dead.
There is a very small margin for error that she is alive.
I do not agree that Natalee was taken to the beach and discarded in the ocean as Joran admits on the tapes. However if it sways public opinion and Beth Twitty accepts it why should I question it. If Dr. Hodges has convinced Dave Holloway that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her; then who am I to question it.
A lot of money has been spent, earned and thrown away at Natalee’s expense.
Be as it may; my friends, family and acquaintances feel that I have developed an obsession and that I have taken on the characteristics of the families involved.
In retrospect over the past 1000 days I realize I have.
Well it is now time to let go.
I was approached by numerous ppl who said; wow they really got that SOB now and they are going to hang him. I said for what? He did not admit to anything other than he called someone to take care of disposing of Natalee’s body after she went comatose but maybe was still alive. Since he was a minor at the time the punishment is about half of what an adult would receive. But more importantly it has taken attention away from Aruba and its cover up. ATA damage control at its best. The fact is: there are just too many inconsistencies for everything to be summed up in a 30 minute edited “secret” confession. I will only believe 30% of the story. But again if Beth believes it and this is her closure, what and who am I to question it.
Natalee; you have taught me a lot over the past 1000 days. You have kept my mind alert in a family with history of Alzheimer’s. You have given me new meaning to life and how precious it is. You have shown me the other side of the criminal mind. You have taught me to think and rethink outside the circle and box. You have brought out some writing skills that I did not know I possessed nor would under normal circumstance even attempt. You have introduced me to hundreds of new acquaintances from around the world. You were responsible for me learning about the history and troubles of Aruba. You taught us to have better security and instill the buddy system when I have chaperoned senior trips.
You permitted me to enter into your private but very short life
You have given me new direction in the few years I have remaining on earth.
Yes when playing poker for keeps in the game of life, one has to realize a no win situation and just get up from the table and walk away.
There are others in the world that do not have the support that you have so I don’t think you will mind if I redirect some of my attention towards why Aruba has been quiet concerning what happened to Joyce Buckley or what happened to Phylicia Moore who was found dead in a swimming pool in Ghana.
Natalee may you rest in peace and thank you for what you have given me and taught me.
Scott (#18) … I think the answer is: these shows survive on advertising, and advertisers want the most visibility for their product or service that they can get.
So the networks seize upon timely topics, and get people on the shows to yap. Yap, yap, yap.
Basically, isn’t that all that they do? Talk over each other, telling people what they think, with little or no deference even to the established facts?
I don’t think that Greta vS gave any more of a damn about the case than anyone else. She just realized that it would draw viewers. That’s the name of the game.
Ditto for her panelists. If Tacopino gets on there and is allowed to shoot his mouth off, that serves her purposes. Are his statements indecent?
Well, what does she care, as long as she gets viewers?
Maybe I’m too cynical, but that’s my idea. I long for the day when advertisers simply refuse to cough up huge sums (maybe TV advertising ought not to be tax-deductible for companies), and the whole thing falls apart. Then maybe people might go back to reading, or other antiquated stuff.
It will be very tough to convict Joran based on his statements but his statements are enough to exonerate the Kalpoes?
Talk about twisting the evidence to favor your own cause. I am not sure its a good idea for the Kalpoes and their lawyers to jump back into the fray. They could get burned. It’s pretty clear they were involved in some capacity.
“I don’t think that Greta vS gave any more of a damn about the case than anyone else.”
By this, I mean anyone else in the TV business.
Those of us who have been posting here consistently for years, not to mention doing research, writing letters, and appearing at Aruba Tourism Authority events, do care very much indeed.
Hi Guys -
I think a really important piece of news has been missed online… or maybe I just dont see it?
Nancy Grace reported last night that Joran’s computer and other items were seized from his grandmother’s house in Holland.
One would presume – given his recent stupidity with the undercover operative – that there’s a treasure trove of info on his ‘puter.
Also reported were that others are being questioned in Aruba.
Hmmm…wonder if JVDS has cut a deal with the Kalpoes to share some of their big fat award from Dr. Phil (should they get lucky..which I doubt)..that would be a reason for JVDS to say they had nothing to do with the crime!
It’ll be interesting to find out what the court documents that the Aruban lawyer has been dragging his feet on producing have to say…I’ll bet there has been some altering going on there!
One can speculate on and on….these people are so devious.
As for Greta …imo if she was really a good lawyer she’d be practicing law not interviewing sociopaths on national tv…but guess where she makes the most money!!!
Mr. T is unfortunately one of the reasons why there are so many jokes flying round about attorneys!! I’d guess he was being paid by the Tourist Authority. People have asked if the VDS’ are wealthy…I’d guess not because if so why is Anita working, so I’d doubt they are paying him anything.
Retyping this…apologize if it is duplicate.
Re: Joran’s personality. It is my opinion that people who behave in this way have a Borderline Personality Disorder. They seduce people by their charm to survive. I know a person that even convinced their Neuro-psch during testing
that they had no problems, just a very charming
and bight person. So the fact that Greta was “snowed” is not so unusual.
What is really funny – is that Joran thinks he’s dupped old Joe Taco and is laughing at him as he is the Aruban police and all the others he has fooled. I say keep Joe Taco on just for laughs -in the end Joe is going to owe the HOlloways a bigger apology than Greta ever did. Way to go Joe… hey Joe, why don’t you move your practice to Aruba when this is all over. Maybe the Vandersluts will let you reside with them and Judge Paulas can hire you as outside counsel!
#12 – No, I didn’t forget.
Since, we are often judged by those with whom we associate, Joe Tacopina needs to cut his loses and drop Joran. It would do more for his public credibility than it would if he hangs in there.
What a hypocrite.
Helping the Immette St. Gullien family
Defending Joran…..defending someone who has done the same thing you are suing another for?????
HYPOCRITE
Obviously my remarks about the self-serving media do not relate to this blog, those whose programs are aired on this blog, or anyone else who has been dedicated to seeking justice in this case.
I was referring to the “glamorous” national media with big budgets and little or no decency.
1006 (#23) … I agree with you that people seem to be swallowing the remarks of JvdScum as the handed-down gospel. There are indeed far too many unanswered questions which date back to the very night that Natalee vanished, as well as all the subsequent developments.
But at this point, I think, the focus of our concern has to expand beyond Natalee as “one isolated” case to probing Aruba.
As I said before, if we don’t believe there is a cover-up, then the incompetence, venality, indifference, and hostility that the Aruban government and law enforcement have shown since day one support this idea:
Nobody should go to Aruba as a tourist. It’s unsafe, if not immoral, to do so.
But of course, we DO believe in a cover-up. Which makes it all the more urgent that people be deterred from going there, and that Aruba Tourism Authority be confronted at its travel shows.
That, it seems to me, is how we can best protect others and convince them that Natalee was not just “one isolated case,” as we will be hearing from Aruba’s defenders.
The money interests on Aruba, AND HERE, could care less about the safety of tourists. They get their cash from steering the sheep to Aruba.
We have the chance to deter them.
I think that we should continue to do so.
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.
I am tired of everyone making up definitions of people who do EVIL
Evil is just that evil. We have a society that tries to come up with a disease-name for every friggin evil act. Some people are just plain EVIL.
Greta the offer is still good,the stste highway dept has a bridge that they said i could sell you. I believe that you are just stupid enough to buy it. How the HELL did you get through law school.
famous last words: “that pretty well exonerates my boys, doesn’t it”. he’ll be eating those words 5 minutes after the first one is called to testify under oath.
dennisintn
I agree with the very first post. Joran knows how to turn on the charm. He has done it 20+ times. However, I was just sick to hear that Greta fell for it. I surely hope that she apologizes to Dave and Beth. Give them a break! Greta took Joran’s word over theirs?? just because Joran charmed her? I thought, as an educated person, that Greta was smarter than that.
Taco is a greasy big mouth. He talks very loudly, says a lot, and says nothing. There is nothing that he can say. Joran is guilty; so shutup Taco. I cannot believe that these producers continue to have him on tv. It deletes their credibility.
I saw a man at our AMC theatre not long ago. He was wearing an Aruba t-shirt. I just glared at him. I thought it was an insult to wear such a shirt in public. To me, it said that he had been to Aruba and that he also didn’t care about what goes on down there. I hope after the FoxNews, 20/20 and other shows that people are ashamed to wear anything with Aruba on it, as well as BOYCOTT ARUBA.
justice for natalee
molly in houston
We should all feel sorry for Joe, he’s a wanta-be, probably thought himself lucky Joran hired him. He should be thinking why was he picked, Joran and his family needed someone naive, stupid, and would believe them. You don’t see any of the other oustanding attorneys defending Joran at all, who would. Someone who took the life of an American on a tiny island. Why don’t Joey send one of his daughters over to ARuba, and let them hang out with his new best friend, Joran. Let’s ask him if he would be willing to do that?
JOE T If you are so sure that joran is innocent, would you allow him to babysit you two daughters ??? If not why would you try to make us believe he is safe.
Greta How about you answering the same question.
#28 – I also wonder if jvds didn’t cut a deal with 2k. I can’t remember verbatim, but on the devries program j was telling Patrick he was due “compensation” he laughed and said it might take 10 years. I had the impression it was a substantial amount. It can’t be from his book and i believe the aruban gov’t rejected his suit, so that leaves Dr. Phil wouldn’t it?
Reading today that Heath Ledger’s death was an accidental overdose.. The Masseusse found him in the afternooon. Wonder why she didn’t call for someone to help her get rid of the body, because she panicked? Probably because she had nothing to fear if he were found?
Once again Joran wants us to believe Natalee was very drunk to the point of alcohol poisoning, coma and death and yet sober enough to consent to sex. He wants us to believe Natalee had the bad fortune to come across a sociopath like him that night and then overdosed herself too. Not buying it here.
Why did he have a CnC VIP pass and drinking underage there? Why has Paulus never been in trouble for taking him to the casino underage drinking and gambling and leaving him there? Why was it ok for Paulus to ok him to be at the casino the next night? Remember Paulus said he gave him permission to go the next night. Joran said it was important he been seen on a casino tape the next night. WHY? What was going on that night, that he needed an alibi of being seen in the casino. I remember Beth saying guards there told her Joran wasn’t there.Why aren’t all this group charge with a massive case of obstruction of justice?
Do something you never done before in your life Joran,, tell the whole truth and nothing but, I won’t hold my breath.
Texas Rick, Dave sounded like he was still in shock from what he seen on the tape on Nancy’s show last night. Dave isn’t buying how she died either. He said we can pretty well guess what happened on the beach.
KayJay, I brought that up before about the Dr. Phil lawsuit. Nothing surprises me from this group. Kalpoes aren’t looking like saints either. Just look at their conduct from the last 2 and a half years. Just like Deepak going to write a book and not talk about Natalee, because noone gives a damn about her. Why would Deepak talk that way about a girl he just gave a ride to. Why is one of the Kalpoes caught on chat saying the fact the girl is dead is not good, according to Hans Mos? Deepak even calls her slut.. Larry Garrison said he could see all Deepak was interested in was money.. just like Joran.. so yes that wouldn’t surprise me.. accidental death, no time and big bucks.
Kalpoes’ lawyer can jump for joy all he wants but a couple of questions remain:
Whether Joran was telling the truth or not has nothing to do with whether those tapes were altered or not. Joran could be telling the truth (which of course I don’t believe) but Deepak could have 1) slipped 2) lied to Skeeters.
The question is whether the tapes were altered.
Next, he still only has 5 days to produce documents that to date he was unable to produce. It’s my understanding that Aruba would not release some of those documents. If so, he’s still no where.
Greta I think you owe Beth and Dave an apology. Try thinking like a human being and not a lawyer. I hate to think you are educated beyond your intelligence.
Re: Dr. Phil lawsuit
So, the Kalpoes are going to use Joran’s confession to get them big money? Is Joran going to testify for you – Deepak and Satish? Are you willing to come to the USA to testify? Or, are you saying, Deepak, that you lied to Skeeters? Great basis for a lawsuit. Who’s paying whom here?
lubricious: lewd; also, slippery or smooth.
Who do we know who is lubricious??
boycott aruba
justice for natalee
molly in houston
44. Good point. Who’d want Joran as a witness?
When does a witness loose his credibility? One, Two, Three, Four, Five, lies?
That is why the world has Joe T’s. I’d like to hear Satish explain “something bad happened to Natalee”
Don’t have time to read it right now but this might help Steve Holloway: http://www.fokkinel.com/?s=lorenzo+van+r.&x=0&y=0 it details Joran’s friends and possible players in Natalee’s death.
Steve was looking for someone with nickname “Peep”, note that Freddie’s nick was Pimp
Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients’ defamation case.
“It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn’t it?” Cremer said.
Cremer…are you nuts… Joran is not in charge even though he would like to think he was. He and your two Kalpoes are guilty and the truth is surfacing as we speak!
ok – this is the second time I’m posting and i know i’m doing the math correctly…grrr.
Maggie, didn’t realize you’d brought up Dr. Phil on another blog. Let me see if I have this right: A murdering sociopath says 2K weren’t involved so “poof” their lawyer says they’re exonerated…ha, ha…Only in Aruba do you have that line of thinking. Hope 2k et al have some deep pockets cause this civil suit is gonna get expensive. Here’s a thought: Dr. Phil lives in CA, has his own show and so through these connections has about a dozen expert film technicians ready to testify the tape wasn’t altered. Yep, 2k better have some very deep pockets. We’ll know in less than 5 days. Tick-tock.
Better yet I hope Dr. Phil subpoena’s Jurine. If 2K uses his testimony Jurine’s got to appear in court. Sweet.
Greta saying that she was inclined to beleive Jioshit was THE MOST reckless, irresponsible comment EVER as she only softballed that GOON holding his hand and NEVER asking pertinent FOLLOWUP questions.
Those words of hers were a knife in Beth & Dave’s back and i’ll be hard pressed to ever forgive her for that.
(many deadly twisters in my area yesterday & my power went in & out over the last several days as all this is coming out)
Katablog
I am glad you gave that link. I was looking over the site and I have a nagging question. All of these guys associated to Joran and the hideous acts against Natalee, yet not a one of them has come forward to protect their own name. Why?
Makes me think that every single one of them has a hand in what happened to Natalee.
If someone were to associate me with something or someone I had nothing to do with. I’d be out there trying to protect my GOOD name.
Yes, actions always speak louder than words.
Belatedly, I thought of something.
Do we all remember the remark of Gerald Dompig that the three (J2K) were “guilty as hell”?
He made that remark about all three, didn’t he?
I believe so, but I could be wrong.
If so, however … he made that comment while he was deputy police chief, right?
Voila! Talk about a potential gold mine for the Kalpoes … a lawsuit against a government official ….
But somehow or other, no lawsuit has ever been filed against Dompig, or if it has, we haven’t heard of it.
Hmmmm … why is this?
My guess: suing Dr. Phil and other American media gives the chance for a big payoff. Or so J2K think.
It also might serve the interests of Aruba: yeah, kids, go after everyone and anyone who might put the spotlight on our corruption, etc. Deter anyone from opening up the can of worms.
But you can’t go after US!
So I ask once again: why are the Kalpoes suing Dr. Phil and not Dompig?
“This is what JusticeforNatalee refuses to recognize.”
1906, You really need to stop. You are really losing it.
Don’t stick my name in the middle of your post just because
I requested that bigoted remarks stop.
If you have something to say to me, send me an email or call me. Don’t be a coward and squeeze my name into your long-winded post.
Richard
Another question as to Dompig, how come he retracted the statement his son made?
“Gerold Dompig said accusations of his son, Michael, against Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, were part of a dispute among acquaintances that escalated out of control.
“He’s a kid; he got confused and frustrated and he said things he shouldn’t have said,” Dompig told the Birmingham (Ala.) News. “It went too far.”
Dompig said his son — angered by media accusations — responded with talk he had heard about van Cromvoirt.
“One started talking about the other and the other talked back and it becomes something worse than a soap (opera),” Dompig said.”
Why don’t you share this with us Gerry?
Why did Paulus advise Joran and the Kalpoes? Why did Paulus help the Kalpoes find a lawyer?
At least Greta did admit she was wrong.
I don’t think Joe T. cares whether or not Joran is guilty.
Joe is being paid to do damage control.
Joe T. probably don’t even believe his own words.
I bet if you asked him off the record, he would
say the exact opposite about Joran.
Dave is such a good man and as i listened to him on Nancy’s show i cringed as she asked him his thoughts and feelings on this hidden tape of the guy who took his little girl away from him & i could hear anger in his voice and hurt. I wish Dave could get that pos in a room alone for 15 minutes…..he’d tear Jurine to shreds and no one would ever think any less of him if he did.
DAVE…..all of us here love & admire you and feel your pain. You, Beth and your entire family are in our thoughts & prayers everyday.
Thank you Red for this forum to keep Aruba & the Van der Slime’s feet to the fire this whole time.
I know the only thing worse than losing your daughter in this way & watching the guilty laugh about it would be if nobody else gave a damn. Thank God for ALL of you wonderful people for fighting the good fight for Natalee…..oh we’re still fighting that fight Aruba….getting confirmation of what we KNEW was the truth means your misery has only begun.
#55 typo
Joe T. DOESN’T even believe…
Someone posted the following article from Amigo Newspaper for today:
This message possibly shows that the man that helped Peter DeVries called Paulus and told him today is his turn!I am sorry the first one is not translated!!!
Van der Sloot during a nightly chat know that he may Netherlands must flee. Van der Sloots parents was previously advised that for their own safety after the broadcast by diving. To reject it, however. Monday morning, they are threatened by phone. Around eight hours of the morning a man called to the family with the words: “Day Mr. Van der Sloot. Today it is your turn. That happens when you f’ with my island. Greetings, Patrick. “Caller is possible Patrick van der Eem, the man who plays a leading role in the transmission of Peter R. De Vries on the case of Natalee Holloway. The Dutch Arubaan Van der Eem filmed in secret Joran van der Sloot while he talked about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. © 1998-2007 Amigoe.com All rights reserved.
Richard – Because there is no such thing as a civil suit in Aruba or Holland. Seems like someone explained that it might be possible but that the awards are never more than $25,000 or so. The Kaploes could collect $200,000 by just turning Joran in and telling where Natalee is.
The Kalpoes are low life creatures…Aruba doesn’t want them…I hope Aruba sends you back to Surinam…your not an Aruban and you caused much damage…a couple of undesirables…you both look like sh##, what girl would be interested….never!!!
there is a treaty between the US and Dutch which means that the Holloway and Twitty families can take civil action against the Sloot sluts in the USA and the effects could be devastating!
Put on some more bad make up and mo mo dresses Anita, you are headed to civil court to defend little darling Joran your rapist/murdering son!
http://www.fokkinel.com/?s=lorenzo+van+r.&x=0&y=0
I think they may have forgotten one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/158068741/
She was Joran’s “Girlfriend” at the time Natalee disappeared. At least according to Jaime’s statement. She lives in MOKO.
You know its a short walk from Malmok to Moko.
Might be related to Rudy Croes.
BTW Justicefornatalee I think 10061906 said goodby.
10061906 add so much to the discussion. If you are too obsessive about this case, just discipline yourself to come and read 2x per day, for example.
Look at the stats of number of hits! 10061906, you are not alone. Some people are triggered by injustice and react accordingly. You simply fall into that category.
Richard not only Dompig, but Steve Cohen was on Dr. Phil and the AHATA said he was up to date on the case and knew the facts said.. These 3 did something terrible to your daughter and he and the prosecutor believed they were guilty. He also went on to give a speech in the Caribbean where he said 2 of the 3 had sex with Natalee and he expected them to be charged with rape and murder/ kidnapping.. Why isn’t he being sued? It’s all about money, who pays who to shut up and who pays who to lie, it seems.
Photo of Paulus, Angel son Joran, little brothers (murderers in training) and Anita in her “I Dream of Jeanne” see through top.
May their lives never be the same again!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/158068732/in/photostream/
Joran looks young in this one; perhaps he is a rapist in training at this point, sitting with his teacher immediately to his right. Little brothers that have no chance to grow up normal with evil parents in the picture too!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nh_rwv/158068725/in/photostream/
Sounds to me like Joran, and the two surinamese boys figured it is an easy job to have their way with Natalee, Joran starting in the car, and the boys want in on the action too, in the heat of it all, on the beach, Joran smashes her head in, so the boys are part of the rape, but they didn’t do the killing. So they all have a part in keeping hush hush for different reasons, they are all equally culpable in the eyes of the law, but Joran really has more to lose ultimately. Yet they can not turn on each other cause they all go down. jmho
My point about the hypothetical suit vs. Dompig … if the Kalpoes are so concerned about their “good name” (oxymoron as that is), and want to establish their innocence, why didn’t they sue him for that reason alone?
In fact, why not go after him first of all, as Aruba is where they live? (If you call it that.)
Is the issue the money or their name? (Ha,ha,ha)
Methinks they don’t dare open up a can of worms on Aruba, and threaten the connections there … because whatever Joran SAYS, I believe that if he does go to jail for a long time he’ll turn on everybody that he can.
Good point, though, Maggie … why are the Ks going after only the American media?
I’ve only got a minute so I am not at leisure to post my usual lengthy posts…:O
but I just had to say how proud I am to be here with so many intelligent and wonderful people with a heart enough to care so deeply about someone they have never met!
#23….1006! OMG! What an awesome post! We have all learned so much ‘from Natalee’!
Betsy! I dearly LOVE your posts…especially those pointing out to Joe Taco about his own daughters!
I don’t want to leave anyone out! But I can’t list everyone… All of you are such an inspiration in a cold world that often looks the other way! It is a true test of character to consider those who can do nothing for you….you have all shown strong character in this way…well, not all…not yoyo and those like him…but you know who you are!
God Bless!
Greta is ordinary. How she has her own show is beyond me. She suffers from a coldness and lack of empathy for the victim. Sooo, she has come around to the realization that Joran isn’t exactly who she thought he was. Big deal Greta.
#8–Katablog- I’m inclined to side with you on this one. ESPECIALLY the comments you added in last few sentences about ANITA. What a very poor excuse for a Mother. I had another thought howeer- I do feel badly for Joran’s younger brother. He is innocent- not his fault he comes from same family and now he will have to walk around the rest of his life answering everyone who asks him if his brother is the ATROCIOUS ONE…he will probably be harrassed, etc.
Secondly—- Come on, SM!! – would you finally let Greta VS off the hook?? LOL You have held that disdain for her now for quite awhile. She did make a HUGE mistake and when she went down that road, I just no longer watched her show or logged on to the Foxnews website. You know Fox is all about the big story and sensationalizes to the max for their Nielsen ratings anyway, so finally let it go, guys. I think she will apologize on a personal level as well- she really did seem to have some type of a bond with Beth.
Greta is pretty bright- and I admire her grit in the first few DAYS, WEEKS months then year of this case when she was down there and wouldn’t quit. Greta completely devoted herself and a great majority of the OTR programming exclusively to cover the story and attempt to get answers. Cut her some slack at least for her persistance…K?
Thanks =)
-J4N
#66- Rocky—Wow–in that photo.. I also never realized Urine has TWO younger brothers! First and foremost, our hearts have always gone out to the Holloway family (Beth & Dave especially) but…Listen- please coming from a Mother….the 2 younger VDS children are innocent. Their lives will NEVER be the same because of the shame and havoc their evil older brother has left behind himself. Yes, PVDS and Anita anger me with their lies and denial (& their AUDACITY as parents themselves) to make the Holloways suffer for all this time and portray their son as the “nice little Sporter”. Barf.
But please, do remember there are innocent children involved.
Every evil human being involved in this crime from the direct perpetrators to those individuals responsible for the cover-up & corruption afterwards DESERVE EVERYTHING THEY GET. We’re all angry, insenced and very, very sad. For real, I am actually not ashamed to admit I have been distraught over this case from day one. I just don’t like to see our emotions get taken out on the wrong individuals…..please refrain from posting any other pics with his siblings. We’ll take anything you have on the other 3, though! They can kiss it where the sun doesn’t shine!!
Greta’s show are for ratings. The fact that she could not see what nearly the entire world could see about the prime suspect in Natalee’s murder, says much about her. Her belief in Joran, so publicly stated, certainly had an effect on this case. No, I won’t let her “off the hook”, but I do hope that she gets it now.
Question…sorry if it’s been asked….
How can the Kalpoes sue Dr Phil for lying when Joran just admitted he’d been lying about them all this time? Well, answer….the Kalpoes went along with Joran’s lies…hence, the Kalpoes are inconsistent and prejudiced with who gets to lie about them, so the Dr Phil thing should be seen as a Malice case and therefore thrown out of court.
Look, when you sit eyeball to eyeball across from someone it’s more difficult to be hard on them. You want to put them at ease and take some of the pressure off. By making the environment less oppositional, you think you’re more inclined to reach their truthful side. Or at least that’s how it is with MOST reasonable people.
But when you’re sitting in front of a pathological liar, it is MUCH more tricky. Even to the trained eye!
Not many reporters would admit they were wrong, most would just spin it in their favor with ridiculous excuses. You gotta give Greta that at least. Now if only she would apologize to Beth!!
She will have the chance as Beth will be on Greta’s show Wednesday night.
Joe Tacopina advocates positions he doesn’t really believe, because he gets paid to do so. I dont find him to be a particularly good representative. He just tries to twist the story to suit whatever position he is taking. He looks foolish now.
THIS IS ALL ALLEGEDLY. I believe Joran paid the bartender at C & C to “dose” natalies drink with GHB because he wanted to “F” her. He took her to the beach and ended up raping her. In that timeframe she sunk into a coma from the ghb. Joran called his father, and his father dumped Natalies body at sea. THIS IS ALL ALLEGEDLY
Greta–you and others that have worked so hard on this case should contact the cruises line and getg them to pull out of Aruba. this should get Aruba’s attention and make them act in a proper manner.
I would like to see this happen
Greta–I hope you can get the job done
I think the US should REALLY boycot Aruba now. Also pressure Taco Joe to get off the Vandersloot case. I don’t think any US attorney should represent him.
[...] it was Greta Van Susteren who came back on board with the right minded logic and thinking of Scared Monkeys and now [...]
..and now Stephany Flores is dead on the same day 5 years after Natalee Holloway’s death. What a shame.
Regarding Natalie Holloway Case: Just recently, after being arrested in Lima Peru, Van der Sloot said he and father buried body near new construction site, in Aruba. Proved Wrong!!!, Remember, weeks following disappearance of Natalie, He said father had just made addition of brick curved wall to fireplace pit near pool at their home in Aruba. I kept thinking, after finding Natalie dead, he went home, asked father for help, thus the fireplace addition, with time delay by Aruban police and time of Holloday allowed to talk to his family…..Was that fireplace ever examined when a house search??????
In Florida case, when you and Mark visited the home of Casey, with George and his wife showing you around the home, there was a ladder on the pool wall, and when filmed just after that, the pool ladder was NOT by pool. Maybe little girl climbed into pool, and drowned, and found by the grandparents. When the child’s Mother was asked where was her little daughter was….the Mother said…Ask my Mother!!!!! Don’t remember that statement was reall every asked…..that, I do believe the Grandparents have never told the real truth…..and they…..took the body a short ways away, until it was found.
Both these comments, are submitted to you….as a statemant >> “FOR WHAT ITS WORTH”. I have been following your shows, about these two cases, and have had these thought’s all this time. Thank You for your Time. George W. Challoner
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Greta Van Susteren and Nancy Grace don’t ask Joran Van der Sloot for details
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When a friend of Joran Van der Sloot was on the Nance Grace show he told her that Joran Van der Sloot told him the details where the reports on Natalie Halloway were incorrect. Nancy Grace never even asked him to tell her what he knew.
When Joran Van Der Sloot told Gretta Van Susteren that he sold Natalie to someone for the sex slave trade Gretta never even asked him who he called, the phone number or anything pertanent to finding out where Natalie is. He told her that he got $9,800.00. This could have been proven by checking on Joran’s spending and verifying if he came into a sum of money when Natalie went missing. He also mentioned that a boat was used to take her away. Never was he asked whose boat it was.
The story that he sold Natalie should be the main story to be persued. If Natalie is still alive something has to be done right away to rescue her. Seeing that no body has been recovered this still remains a posibility. There has been no mention of Joran being given a lie detector test and it seems that the media prefers to keep up the mystery because if this case is solved they wont make more money on it.
[...] critical of some of the things that Greta did, especially the Joran Van der Sloot interview; but she eventually saw the Monkey light. However no matter what, for that intro to Beth, I will always be thankful to Greta and wish her [...]