RSSDaury Rodriguez, Named Joran Van der Sloot Accomplice Denies Involvement in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
With friends like Joran Van der Sloot, who needs enemies? Daury Rodriguez 
has come forward to deny any allegations that he had any involvement with Joran Van der Sloot in May 2005 in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
Watch the ABC Video of tracing the tracks of Joran Van der Sloot
People have to remember that there is a little truth in every story and lies as well. Just because this part of Joran’s story appears to be false does not make the rest of his admissions the same. Joran Van der Sloot specifically said that he would never name the name of the person who helped him. He would take it to his grave. There are few people that are that close to Joran that would rate that type of special treatment.
A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot’s who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway’s body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.
Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway’s disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing. (ABC News)
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They should concentrate on the Kalpoe brothers, seeing that Yoran van der S. ratted them out on the video tape.
I don’t see why they would still riks their ass lying for Yoran.
Would Freddy get that status?
Deepak & Satish seem to think so.
—-
They replayed that March 2006 Interview with
Uni-Dildo (joran) 1 or days ago. There was a
quick clip… that I had completely forgotten
about. It struck me as something odd to say
back in 2006, and it still does. The thing that
makes it so strange, is the addition of ONE WORD
tacked on to the end of a sentence. The addition
of this word changes everything.
—
-Fox / Greta OTR / 2006
snip
Interviewer: So, but there was some sort of… I mean you had some sort of sexual contact at some point is that right?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes.
Interviewer: Was that in the car or was that on the beach?
Joran van der Sloot: That was on the beach > TOO.
*** THAT WAS ON THE BEACH TOO. LIKE ALSO. LIKE
THEY HAD IT SOMWHERE ELSE IN ADDITION TO THE
BEACH STORY.
-snip
Interviewer: And at this point Satish and Deepak they’re long gone in the car?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes.
Interviewer: Other people walking on the beach?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes, there was… the time that I started walking the other direction there was only one couple that I walked by because most of them were at the actual Marriott Hotel. At that (unintelligible), there was only one couple that I actually walked by.
—
* I started walking in another direction… should
be WE. He’s alone.
—
Interviewer: What was it that was sort of the… why did you leave, I mean what happened? Did the conversation end or how did you happen to leave?
Leave the beach. At some point you and Natalee separated according to you is that right?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes.
Interviewer: How did that come about?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, I mean I had… I had to go to school the next day. I was close to my exams to do my final exams and, you know, the bus was picking me up at six forty a m I mean I had to go home and I didn’t want my dad to go into my room and see I’m not there or anything like that, so I mean I had to go home. So, yes, at one point I told her, you know, it’s time to go back to your hotel and she was just like, “No, let’s stay here. Let’s look at the stars.” She was just saying, you know, “Stay here with me. Just stay here with me the whole night. Tomorrow I have to go back anyway” and, you know, that’s… that’s what we were talking about.
Interviewer: And what did you say? I mean how does the conversation go back and forth between the two of you on this?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes, so she was asking me to stay and I told her I really had to go so, you know, for me to bring her back to her hotel and then I said at the end, I said “Ok, well I’m going to call Deepak to come pick me up.” And so, I walked right there.
There’s the Fisherman’s hut. There’s a little… because there’s a lot of wind there on the beach, so I walked right next to that and that’s where I called him from. And I… I asked him… I asked him to come pick me up. Then it was his brother that came to pick me up but I asked him to come pick me up.
Interviewer: Do you know where… so you actually, you had actually called him and reached him on your cell phone?
Joran van der Sloot: Yes, on a cell phone.
*****
So, if JORAN walks over to the Fisherman’s Huts
to make a call to that PANSY A$$ Kalpoe TURD
BURGLAR
Deep-sak… why would he have to walk over
and use the Marriott public pay phone?
*** Like he said on 20/20 ABC last night? ****
He said in Greta’s 3/2006 interview, that he
made the call to D. from his celly by the FH,
because it was so windy he could not hear.
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What up wit’ dat, hmmmmm? -j4n
The Kalpoes need to be brought in as witnesses….? Satish about something bad happened….? Deepak, she hit her head…they need to explain what they were talking about…I’m sure there are answers there…next Koen needs to be brought in…he was at Joran’s apartment that night along with Freddy and Koen had a boat in the water…Joran never made a phone call he was at the apt with Natalee…as far as the shoes go, there was evidence on them. And now just as before another person, Daury has to explain his innocence just like the security guards…he also just told us who the person was with the boat…Joran and Koen have known each other since they were babies. The police had better be picking up Koen…might want to take some diapers.
I would think Beth and Dave could easily sue for civil damages and Paulus might have to foot the bill or take all the money from the interviews and the money from the book proceed’s…this would help them recover their expenses for all of money they have put out of their pockets to try and find Natalee….Joran says he can abuse this and actually already has…why should he get to go on just getting away with it all…OH, Drury, you need to follow suit, sue for damages done to you and pay for your need to hire a lawyer to protect yourself….wonder if Koen’s Dad is in the Netherlands or headed that way…
The person who assisted Joran – whose name he would take to his grave. Might that be Paulus?
Hey Sporter,
GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS for you…
GOOD NEWS: The brand new cell phone
of your dreams arrived today!!!!!
BAD NEWS: Your daddy is such a nincompoop MORON that he only bought you 10 CREDITS.
ROFLMAO :LOL:
Oh, gosh. I think I just wet myself!
—
Justice for Natalee
Boy, oh boy, Joran’s list of enemies just keeps growing….wondering if that neighbor of Joran in the Netherlands is still going to come forward…she said Joran threatened her many times and finally she called the police and pressed charges….all she asked him to do was turn the music down…so tell me he would never hurt a girl, like he says….liar!
@brie on February 5th, 2008 1:00 pm
Sueing for civil damages by the family of the victem is not possible in the Aruban legal system, only the victem is able to do that and the granted damage payment seldom exceed more than 25.000 dollar (and even that is exceptional high).
Actually, because the victem is dead, damage payment to the victem is not possible so useally not granted by the judge.
Damage payment is also part off the criminal trial and cannot be achieved by civel action.
Ergo, sueing like possible in the states is not possible.
TSHIRTS FOR SALE….KIDNAPPED RAPED MURDERED ON ARUBA with NATALEES PICTURE ON IT…email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com….Come to BOSTON FEB 22,23 or 24th…GONNA BE A MIND BLOWER….
Also, Deepak says, “your own father, unbelievable”…what makes Deepak say that….bring in and add this to his witness list…
Just on dutch TV-newsshow Netwerk: Lorenzo v. R…… is now both in Holland and Aruba in the picture as possible helper of Joran (at least in the public opinion).
Andrew Hodges now on Netwerk explaining his theory! (I told him here some months ago the Dutch newshows would be interested in his story!!!)
They should trace all phone records for the payphone that Joran refers to using. See what numbers have been called. Surely they have a record still of this.
If Joran walked from the beach home to tell Paulus he would not have used any phone.
I think the Kalpoe’s were there…I wish we had a clearer understanding of phone records of Joran, Paulus cell/home, and the Kalpoes phone records.
The Kalpoe’s were involved…. driving Joran while watching porn movie… they are all vile..
Part of the proceeds for the sweats and tees will go to Safe Travels and travel shows….16.00 for the tees and 20 for the sweats…includes S&H….
I forgot to say in my nr. 10 comment that it was said in Netwerk-newshow that:”…some People at Aruba KNOW MORE but are afraid to speak out…”!!!
Anybody see ‘Netwerk’ today on the Lorenzo van Rijn person?
The ” confession car ” black Range Rover Sport is for sale on Ebay…..63,000 guilders….all cameras have been removed I just read this on the Webslueths site….. is anyone really suprised…..what next….
After watching Joran’s confession tapes on ABC, it seemed to me that as time went on, Joran was less and less willing to talk, and Patrick had to press him more and more to get him to answer Patrick’s questions. By the time Joran told Daury’s name, I think he was getting suspicious of Patrick and was lying. I did not think he was lying earlier, when he told how Natalee started shaking and died, although I don’t think he told the whole truth about how she got to that state. It seems unlikely to me that Daury is the real name of the person who helped Joran dispose of Natalee.
Based on the fact that the ALE were asking Natalee’s family within the first few days whether Natalee had a seizure disorder, I don’t believe this is the first time Joran has made this confession. I suspect the name of the person who really helped Joran is known by someone in ALE, or someone who was in ALE. Hans Mos needs to go back and investigate the investigators, if he’s serious about solving this crime.
I’ve always thought when Deepak said “your own father” he was referring to the fact that Joran let his father go to jail for him, like, how could you do that to your own father? Whatever Paulus did to help Joran, Joran certainly doesn’t seem too grateful. I’m not convinced the Kalpoes really know anything, other than they dropped Joran off. Could be wrong about that, though.
Paulus and Lorenzo van Rijn helped Joran cover up his crime.
I don’t see how anyone can look at the statements that have come from the Kalpoes over the last 2.5 years or so and think that they were not involved.
For God’s sake, they were in the car with Joran and Natalee! Their actions (washing out the car, going to the van der Scum compound for days after she vanished, having PvdS pay for their lawyers) reek of complicity.
It may be that he was saying that they weren’t involved in disposal of the body, apart and separate from taking part in an assault on her.
So the question then becomes: why would he speak up to defend the Kalpoes? Why not give the impression that they were indeed complicit?
Could it be that some kind of quid pro quo was at work: “I’ll do what I can to deflect attention from you guys, so long as you keep quiet”? We know that they had been exchanging e-mails and such as recently as a few months ago, after all the media hypotheses that they were estranged.
I am increasingly suspicious of Joran’s statement, or at least many of the details.
Wonder if the info about Lorenzo is old and recycled, or if something has come up.
EURobert (#14) … That’s what Dave Holloway, at least, has been saying for time immemorial.
Off topic, but I really need to say this because it’s getting on my nerves.
Please, please, please stop the bigoted, homophobic comments.
I am thoroughly fed up with reading derogatory comments and names like “twinkies” etc. being used.
Some of these comments are coming from supposedly
“religious” people.
If you think God condones this kind of bigotry, then you are a moron.
Knock if off. Period.
EURobert on February 5th, 2008 1:33 pm
Just on dutch TV-newsshow Netwerk: Lorenzo v. R…… is now both in Holland and Aruba in the picture as possible helper of Joran (at least in the public opinion).
—
Hey EURobert,
How much do u know about Lorenzo? Does he pack heat?
Does he roll around town strapped with a gun?
Is he the bad a$$ type to use one on somebody in
a heartbeat?
Just curious
Google Lorenzo van Rijn
i have been reading many anti semetic and homophobic posts from posters.who cares if he was a gay jew.it has nothing to do w/anything.
re: Comment 7 Kloothommel on February 5th, 2008 1:16 pm
So Natalee’s family can’t seek damages under Aruban law, how about the government of Aruba? It would be some comfort (although very little) knowing the Paulas and Anita lose everything over their pride and joy son…could Aruba seek seizure of their assists to pay for the cost of the “investigation” (although if they were to seek compensation for the real value of the their police work to date it couldn’t be worth more than a 1 cent)…the people of Aruba are certainly victims of Urine and his lovely mommy and daddy in terms of taxes spent.
No such thing as guilders anymore.
Euro’s rule.
You guys have probably seen this article on ABC News: it lays out all the legal choices and options to charge Joran for various crimes and the proof points necessary to gain a conviction
http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4240906&page=1
Richard, I am with you on that. I don’t believe the Kalpoes would engage in such behaviour if they had nothing to do with this story. I seriously even doubt Natalee was ever at the beach alive. I think she was taken elsewhere, also believe she was drugged. Joran describing her very, very drunk.. She didn’t appear very, very drunk walking out of CnC on her own and talking fine, that she would go back with the others from MB ahead. One can not consent to anything if they are so drunk, they are at the stage of alcohol poisoning.RAPE. Also don’t believe Natalee was using drugs. I remember a police statement that said 3 fisherman on the beach saw noone matching Joran or Natalee’s description that night. This sounds like a half cop out plea. Kalpoes could collect millions to pay them all back. We’ve seen his temper and we also heard him described as someone who could flip out if told no. I think Paulus has known since the very first night, Anita too. Her little sporter that gives her 3 thick kisses on the lips.
He is one sick puppy.. She was probably taken to the beach dead or in a coma and gotten rid of. It is so sad what Poor Natalee endured that night, a sweet beautiful girl with everything to look forward to.
I like gay people and Jewish is okay. In light of what this SOB did to Natalee and her family, I wish to say that Hitler would have done us all a favor if he’d taken care of Paulus’ bloodline. They are monsters! I suppose it makes me a monster to think it or even utter the words. I abhor everything Hitler ever did and genocide is unforgivable. However, my thoughts are a clear illustration of my anger towards this entire family and the injustice towards the Holloway family.
the vast majority of Jewish people that I know are very good, hard working, respectable people. The Sloots are excluded of course. They are pure evil and Paulus was up to his eyeballs in this thing, don’t kid yourselves.
What I cannot figure out is whether he sank her body in the sea or if he raped her dead body first. BASTARDS!!!!! SLOOTS ARE EVIL BASTARDS!!!!!!
Does any one know just how wealthy the VDS family is ?
Seems to me that if this whole charade that Jo ran is playing out would start costing The family a god deal of $$$ right up front then we may see PVDS start to put the brakes on a lot of his help for Joran and wouldn’t he just crap then ??LOL
If Joran implicated this Daury fella and this guy knows anything remotely but was not directly involved with the murder of Natalee, Joran had better watch his back.
The house of cards if falling…
Hitler was responsible for the death of millions of Jewish people and many who were good people. There is no such thing as selective genocide where you can identify the evil ones and rid the world of them. Otherwise, Paulus’ family tree would have topped the list.
Boy Anita, you sure picked yourself a good one.
#17 MBs… I think when Deepak said to Joran and “your own father”… he was referring to Paulus’s involvement in disposing of the body of Natalee. This giant man of Law abiding citizen did this….
#16 Susy Q: Peter hired/bought this car for his operation from this car dealer. Someone noticed this car that it was for sale for a fixed market price. Peter cleaned this car completely, you can not even smell Joran’s drugs anymore. The car dealer does not want to take advantage of this car so you won’t see this car on Ebay.
Maybe ARuba needs all of us SM’s to come in and do a powerpoint presentation on how it all went down…so they can just connect the dots and get this case resolved.
They need to see the big picture… we may have to do that for them.
Riddle me this Batman: Whose cell phone suddenly went missing? Was that Koen? Could it be that Joran did call Koen and someone thought that if the cell phone went missing no one would check the records or couldn’t tie it back to Koen?
__________________
SM: Sander Gottenbos, Koen’s brother claimed to have conveniently lost his cell phone on 5/30/05 but instead of calling his service privider, he called Freddy about it. (klaasend)
@Bob in Florida on February 5th, 2008 2:30 pm
The answer to al youre quistions is no.
Only an judge can order damage payments from perp to victem.
In the case of an murder, not the family becomes the victem but the prosecutor, it is the prosecutor’s duty to act on behalve off the murder victem.
And in that case the prosecuter has no rights to claim damage because there is no real damage to the ‘state’, not even the costs can be claimed from the perp.
The law is quite simple about that, the state pay’s the bill.
Actually, if you cannot afford an lawyer, the state pay’s it for you (to an certain amount) it does not appoint you an lawyer, you get to pick youre own lawyer and the state picks up an large piece off the lawyers bill (if i’m not mistaken max 80%).
and last but not least, an law suit for like example OJ simpson is not possible, the judge can only order damage payment when an suspect is actually found guilty.
Damage payments are not normal in our system, this to prevent absurd law suits like in the US where somebody could sue the McDonalds because the coffee is too hot.
DAURY = Steven Croes
watch out – the story is fitting to Steven Croes (Remember you heard it here)
Richard # 20: I had heard that before as well (probably from SM) but the point is I think that more and more people in the NL’s become aware of these things and want clearity!
Carpe # 22: I actually don’t know much about Lorenzo but I saw that Klaasend in the forum posted stuff about Lorenzo (page 18 and beyond); what I did hear in another talkshow where PRdeVries showed up, is that Peter untill now hasn’t done any investigation in Lorenzo yet.
Julia, if you are reading here. Why do you lie?
Why did you say that Natalee was in love with a blue eyed dutch boy? Why did you say the other filthy dirty lies about Natalee, Beth and Jug?
Your envy for the good relationship that Beth and Natalee had as mother and daughter?
Maybe they used Koen’s boat first to steal the crab cage and the took it to the Tattoe along with Natalee…the Tattoe is a much larger boat and could go deeper out to sea, especially if it was rough..maybe the money from the ATM was to privately charter the Tattoe….the boat doesn’t usually stay out in the sea much past midnight unless privately chartered.
From last night’s confession? if any one believed 100%, no 90% no 75% , n o 40%; then I have (pieces of) a bridge I would like to sell you.
That whole thing in my opinion was orchestrated by the ATA damage control team. The purpose was:
One; to infuriate sentiment against Joran and force another arrest that a conviction will be probably be thrown out forever. Paulus knows he has to gamble a little in order to trump everyone. Remember he is a poker player. He knows when to hold and when to fold. He is ready to ante up the bet so he can take the whole pot.
Second; to win over Beth.
Aruba looks at Beth as the enemy.
She requested the boycott. If she is convinced and accepts what was shown; so is 80% of the public opinion. But remember out of 20 hours we saw only about 30 edited minutes. There are too tooooo many inconsistancies from what we have learned here for me to accept. I’m sorry convince me.
About Gays. I have nothing against “Gay” people.
I have a few “Gay” relatives. I don’t disown them. Perhaps some of the words are raw; but it does not change my opinion of him and what I preceive to be his sexual preferences. Remember its an opinon. Me thinks some protest too much.
The 2K boys are in this thing too. Joran, as seductive as he may be, is not going to successfully get these boys to go with him to fetch a drunk girl they can easily drug just to drive them around and let them out and leave. Joran would have promised those two losers that “cannot get chicks” turns for the favor of carting him around.
They are involved in this too! Hodges is correct in his profile. I just cannot figure out where in that group did Paulus fit in? When did he get his chance to rape a defenseless girl?
Everyone take a look at the link Rocky provided.
I don’t like this one bit. Lots of talk about ‘too much alcohol.”
Is Aruba trying to pull another fast one?
Hello, Mr. Jorg. How about the effects of a DATE-RAPE DRUG?
Olivier de Vries updated his blog with Holland news. Not much going on except Patrick apparently hung up the phone on Sunday when Joran called him after the show… drum roll…..
CRYING!
Okay, so we all know he crys only for himself and no one else. Remember, he never lost a moment of sleep over the dead girl, “old rag”, “whore.”
Put more lipstick on the pig Anita. If she says Joran is a good boy and believes in him 100% we might actually believe it?????
Olivier’s site in case people have not book marked it:
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
brie 3:
Change that to the ended up in his brothers bedroom; you know the one that the police; even though Anita said her whole house was turned upside down; admitted it was never searched. Several days later a new mattress arrives. (?)
EURobert (#40) … Let’s hope that the Dutch interest indeed is spreading. Maybe the government will be able to give a “Dutch uncle” warning to Aruba about the perils it faces if it tries to continue covering things up.
(Don’t know if you know the phrase ‘Dutch uncle’; my understanding is that it means a severe response.)
(You may be interested to know that in the US, we use the phrase ‘Dutch treat’ to describe, say, a date on which each party pays his and her own bill. But when I worked in Thailand, their term for it was ‘American treat’!)
Anyway, Maggie (#28), I think it was you who pointed out on an earlier thread that if Natalee had been as devastated by alcohol as Joran would have us believe … then she couldn’t have consented to sexual activity. It would have been sexual assault, or rape, pure and simple.
Not only that … she probably couldn’t have walked on a sandy beach if she were in such a condition as Joran says. I’ve lived by the ocean, and walking on beach sand can be tiring.
But as I’ve said, I don’t think that whatever happened, happened at that beach.
And Joran asks us to accept that he was near the Marriott Hotel, and instead of running there for help for a girl who might still have been alive, he calls a friend to help dump her in the ocean?
Anyone want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Look everyone, it’s Anita van der Scum
http://www.mondaymorningmemo.com/mmm_images/June6_2005MMM.jpg
J4N (#45)… So can Aruba explain how she disappeared, owing to too much alcohol?
The one drinks too much alcohol is Joran….Natalee’s friends saw her and talked to her outside the front of Carlos & Charlie’s and they said she was OK…the next thing is Natalee and Joran go back into C&C’s and then they see Natalee in Deepak’s car…maybe they went back inside and then Natalee got a drink took it to Deepak’s car not knowing it was spiked….but JK2′S knew!
Just in Nova: Joran most lightly will talk tomorrow with Aruban investigators in the NL’s.
Even in Dutch parliament there was a discussion about the PRdeVries show.
1006 … It was reported, I believe, that Geoffrey von Croimfort (spelling?) was gay. So that might be a tie-in, IF it’s true of Joran.
I don’t know any evidence one way or the other.
Remember, too, that the Dutch court ruled that GvC couldn’t have done anything to harm Natalee … because he was ‘gay.’
No offense to our Dutch friends here … but that is the most stupid bit of reasoning I have ever heard.
Sander Gottenbos – thank you SM. Okay so why isn’t anyone looking at Sander? Isn’t he the older one? What was Joran’s relationship with Sander? I would think both brothers would walk through fire for Joran and vice versus.
Again, do you think the phone was conveniently lost to keep from tracing the call that night – not that this would have stopped competent police from reviewing the records?
___________________
SM: Sander is younger than his brother Koen and is younger than Joran. Sander is actually closer in age to Joran’s brother Valentijn. Sander and Koen both played tennis with Joran. They were good friends of Joran. When Joran was released from KIA Sander is standing outside holding a banner. (klaasend)
Key word…. COMPETENT.
Let’s all remember who we are dealing with in Aruba.
Just watched a story on Headline News with Erica Hill.. former prosecutor in Fla.. I think and a forensic expert about the tape of Joran. The forensic guy said the story isn’t matching alcohol or drug poisoning. He said he believes he is hiding the worst of the story of why she was shaking. He also said he was hiding the body from evidence being found, he thought of what really happened. Prosecutor said the same thing. She said they would have a person on in a bit to comment on the tape of Joran.
there is a small article in a dutch paper today that says deepak or satish have said that jvds has a small notebook that he keeps score of tourist girls he’s taken advantage of and that he uses daterape drugs to accomplish this.
dennisintn
Facial expert gonna be on Headline News about the tape of Joran. The Forensic guy on before, Daniel Spitz, said this was horrific and they couldn’t believe how cold a person Joran is.
54 Richard that was Guido(Marco) Wever that fled to Holland and his atttorney said it could not be guilty due to the fact that his client was gay; Not Geoff. Remember Guido played tennis with Joran and Koen and I believe Jaime. Sander was the soccer player with Joran. Koen played.. well he played and let’s leave it at that.
52 brie; could have been the one that Deepak threw away on the side road. Remember the yard he got rid of….?
57 Maggie: Electric shock will do that also.
hey all…this has been a while…a special rehi to Katablog…remember me?
Just found an MSN-chat part between Joran and the ghostwriter of his book taht took place yesterday. Joran’s chatname is “Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Chess Master always one step ahead” Seems to me Joran thinks of all this as somekind of game in which he wants to outsmart the rest of the world. I’ll translate and post the chat later on (nothing exciting in the chat itself though.) I heard that Lorenzo and Paulus are in the picture again as the higher powers mentioned by Joran.
Nancy Grace will be covering the story tonight. Just saw the facial expert guy,, same thing as always, no empathy and nothing but disdain.
Carpe,
“because it was so windy he could not hear”
“What up wit’ dat, hmmmmm?”
Perhaps he was on the boat going out to sea.
He is reprehensible.
Thanks for all your posts, monkeys!
I am glad Jug will be on Dana’s show tonight. Once again here is the BAC chart.. It shows the behaviour prior to unconscious from Alcohol. Natalee walking out of CnC on her own doesn’t match the chart of someone who is alcohol poisoned and no way could they consent to sexual behaviour.
Progressive Effects of Alcohol[1]
BAC (%) Behavior Impairment
0.01–0.029 Avg. individual appears
normal
Subtle effects that can be
detected with special tests
0.03–0.059 Mild euphoria
Sense of well-being
Relaxation
Talkativeness
Joyous
Decreased inhibition
Lowered alertness
Judgment
Coordination
Concentration
0.06–0.10 Blunted Feelings
Disinhibition
Extroversion
Impaired Sexual Pleasure
Reflexes Impaired
Reasoning
Depth Perception
Distance Acuity
Peripheral Vision
Glare Recovery
0.11–0.20 Over-Expression
Emotional Swings
Angry or Sad
Boisterous
Reaction Time
Gross Motor Control
Staggering
Slurred Speech
0.21–0.29 Stupor
Lose Understanding
Impaired Sensations
Severe Motor Impairment
Loss of Consciousness
Memory Blackout
0.30–0.39 Severe Depression
Unconsciousness
Death Possible
Bladder Function
Breathing
Heart Rate
>0.40 Unconsciousness
Death
Breathing
Heart Rate
Joran knows drug dealers, his half brother is one, I don’t know that he would pay $25.00 for a date rape drug when he can buy it for less or make it…he bought Natalee a 151 rum and we all know what that can do and the drug is in the shot… maybe he even gets it for free…outside waiting for the victim, the Deepak porno car and rapist vehicle…Deepak waits until the car is out of sight and puts in a porno video, the music is loud, no one could Natalee as she becomes frightened to death and maybe screamed for help, she knew the route she was on wasn’t the way back to the hotel….
What is the name of the person he called to come dump the body? That’s an easy one to figure out. It was his dad.
Daury=van der straaten
Seems to me we are dealing with a total sub-human being…there is nothing about him that has any human emotion…killing his dog, one of closest friends a man could have and names him choller…doesn’t that tell you where is mind is…he is a criminal and there is no help..I think Joran has been part of the drug screen for a very long time…I think his biggest fear has been what the drug dealers would do to him..maybe he was peddling drugs…he can’t get along in society…Joran is always in some kind of trouble…maybe what happened to Pitbull was a warning to Joran to keep his mouth shut….Joran, a new species that doesn’t belong anywhere in society….
On dutch tv (Netwerk) also was an item on Joran’s halfbrother, Lorenzo van Rijn, as most likely the person with the boat who helped Joran. Again: since Joran mentioned higer powerS, i think he called Paulus and Paulus called Lorenzo.
#69 Herman, yes that sounds right…was thinking though Koen was so scared … Do you think Joran paniced and called Koen first about using his boat and Koen said no or yes keys are hidden bla bla bal.
But leave me out of this…
Or maybe Koen refused Joran and was scared shi-less because he knew how Natalee died.
EURobert! Our man on the ground in The Netherlands. Keep the news coming please!
p.s. Satish Kalpoe is reported to have asked Deepak “how is the girl doing” on Monday when he woke up. They’re involved.
#24 Sven “i have been reading many anti semetic and homophobic posts from posters.who cares if he was a gay jew.it has nothing to do w/anything.”
Sven, can’t speak for anyone else, but when I use legitimate descriptive words, like gay, it does not mean anything derrogatory. It’s just what it is.
But there is truth in that gays and jews and all those other tag names might be influenced by their own prejudices to act in certain ways toward other certain groups.
So I do think gay and maybe jew and maybe some other tags are necessary to assertain possible reason why people behave the way they do. It goes to motive.
For example…children who have been abused are said to sometimes abuse their own kids. Knowing this pattern is the first step to fixing the problem, right?
So anyway, I think we would be remiss to not use legitimate tag names for what they might represent. I don’t think anyone, certainly not myself, is saying there is anything Wrong with being gay or a jew etc.
It could be likely that 2K may not be involved to the degree thought all along. I am in no way defending them or claiming that they are innocent, so hear me out.
Some of their actions that are mentioned when pointing towards ideas of their guilt are:
Washing out the car during the wee hours of the morning;
I know when I used to work on second or third shift, it was not uncommon for me to be find an all night grocery store and do my shopping at 3 or 4 am or take care of any errands or task that could be done during those hours, including cleaning my car.
Meeting at the Sloots before their arrest;
Paulus could have scared them into thinking they would be seen just as guilty as Sporter since they were also the last to be ‘seen’ with Natalee. Or they could be fearful of the ‘powers’ the Sloots are connected to, as well as not being knowledgeable of Aruban law. He also could have instructed them if the followed the plan he laid out they would have nothing to worry about. No body, no case – it was taken care of.
PvdS paid for their defense;
This could be done for their silence. I seriously doubt Paulus would pay for their attorneys if his special Sporter didn’t have something to lose by the conviction of 2K.
I know there are more reasons to suspect they had more involvement, but as for these three examples they don’t necessarily point towards guilt.
Peter V. will be on Larry King Live Show this coming Thursday. Beth will also be on this show.
You know when it’s time to make a very conscious decision in your life when your faced with the ultimate decision and your parents have always been permissive you will always do the wrong thing…!!!.
It’s too bad that most of you have only seen the version on ABC and not the unedited version by Peter DeVries, because the original tape is way more incriminating. If you speak Dutch and Papiamento you’ll be able to identify with Joran’s delivery and expressions. It’s so damn obvious that Joran is guilty because he recants the same story over and over on different days, and, he kind off goes into some details as to how he orchestrated his alibi. This punk is a natural born criminal and would have been very successful as a gangster, hustler, flim-flam artist, assassin, working for some crimnal organization…..scary.
I was thinking maybe in the car while Deepak was driving away from D&C’s when Joran started molesting Natalee maybe she became sick and threw up in the car or yelled that she was going to upchuck and
Deepak slammed on the breaks and she stumbled head first out of the car to puke some got in the car.
Maybe she puked on Jorans shoes as she tried to swing her head out the window or car door. Joran would not have been happy with her by then.
That is why Deepak was scrubbing his car so late at night.
I am just doing a theory scenario.
KALPOES = It does not add up that two brothers would want to go to a bar a half hour before it closes and just make it in time to order a drink.
They are going with their friend Joran who wants to connect with a tourist.
Two is company but four is a crowd… = RAPISTS
Say, has anyone else seen the Wikipedia entry for Natalee. It is totally slanted against Natalee and her family and in favor of the chief suspect(s). Check it out when you get a chance and write to the Wikipedia site moderator if you care to complain.
60 me;;;
No one caught my freudian slip in my post. See if anyone can find it. I was not speaking in a derogatory manner. It just happened.
“54 Richard that was Guido(Marco) Wever that fled to Holland and his atttorney said it could not be guilty due to the fact that his client was gay;”
“Perhaps some of the words are raw; but it does not change my opinion of him and what I preceive to be his sexual preferences. Remember its an opinon. Me thinks some protest too much.”
posted by 1906
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Nope–not protesting too much.
And for your information, I will protest as much as I want, and that was a pretty dumb response.
It’s not necessary to call names or focus on
someone’s sexual preference. It is NOT relevant.
It only shows your own bias.
The focus should be on Joran’s crimes against Natalee.
Stop the juvenile name-calling,
#79 the Wikipedia entry has been up for a long time. At one time I started editing it, inputting facts and later it was taken off and I was banned from being able to edit it. It’s one thing that taught me to never trust Wikipedia.
Methinks gay-bashers are losers and HYPOCRITES.
perhaps it was his father who took natalie to sea.
Does anyone have proof that Lorenzo is Joran’s half brother? I read differently. (SM probably has information on this.) His real father supposedly committed suicide. And, this name was Paul.
Either way, Lorenzo and Paulus are involved. If you re-read the transcripts (esp. of Satish), it jives w/Joran’s confession (well, for the most part).
Who would advise someone to go to school the next day and to the casino to be seen on camera (i.e., exhibiting “normal behavior”)? These are not the thoughts of a 25 year old but rather an adult – a father – Paulus.
#72: “So I do think gay and maybe jew and maybe some other tags are necessary to assertain possible reason why people behave the way they do. It goes to motive.
For example…children who have been abused are said to sometimes abuse their own kids. Knowing this pattern is the first step to fixing the problem, right?”
rightttttt – and jews like money and blacks are criminals and….
You did it again d-mom. Your prejudices shown thru once again.
Katablog – you mean wikipedia is not a credible source of info? Better tell 10061906 that. That what he uses and references.
Nancy Grace is reporting on Joran’s confession..Dave Holloway is on her show. Nancy rakes Joran over the coals as he so rightly deserves to be!!
Greta, you are so out of your league…. please don’t report on Joran anymore no one wants to hear you say how innocent he is
Nancy you are the best!!!
Dana coming on in about 20 minutes …. tune in, don’t miss this one. He has a great line up.
I talked to Jug as well today and discussed the recent events that have occurred with Joran Van der Sloot. Tune in tonight, you will not be disappointed.
Jug is never at a loss for words and tells it like it is.
Jug, Beth et all have been vindicated by the many horrible things that people have said over the past 2+ years.
Make sure you listen tonight … we have Jug first before Greta.
R
I agreed with “Jean on February 5th, 2008 5:18 pm ”
The only ever person would help Joran to dump Natalie body was his dad.
Who else he can trust?
Alcohol plus ecstasy
Not out of the question and a very real possibility.
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SM: Or alcohol plus GHB put in her drink by Joran at CnC. Joran has drugged girls before (klaasend)
Greta, last night, stated that she was wrong about Joran.
Finally!
Was this posted? It is DeVries’s site in English. Lots of good info:
http://www.peterrdevries.com/
Oh My even Greta feels genuinely bad or she misses having Beth (ratings) on her show.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, and I — I actually — I mean, I think that’s sort of — I mean, I think it’s significant they didn’t detain him. But you know, when I met Joran, he seemed like — you know, he seemed like a young kid and he was very earnest. And against his parents’ advice, he — you know, he sat down and talked to us against his lawyer’s advice.
And you listen to him in this tape, he’s just a cocky, nasty kid. And it’s that same sort of description that Beth Holloway gave to me on that first night when they first met him, when they rushed to that island to try and find out what happened to her daughter, is that he’s a nasty, cocky kid. And it’s almost like, OK, when the cameras turn on and he knows about it, he’s this, you know, good student, loves his parents. I mean, and I know that from talking to his mother and father, they love him, but I know that he had some, like — there were some issues about whether he was an angry kid and (INAUDIBLE) school. You know, like, it’s almost like there are two very different people.
TACOPINA: You know, I obviously knew him when the cameras were off and spoke to him, although in the setting of this case.
VAN SUSTEREN: I don’t know if you did know him when he’s off. Why would he not be nice to you?
TACOPINA: I said when the cameras are off. I mean…
VAN SUSTEREN: No, no, no. But I mean, he had every — he had every motive to impress you, too, as he did us.
TACOPINA: Fair enough. Fair enough. But I think — look, for a living, I sort of make an evaluation of people and…
VAN SUSTEREN: So do I, and I made a poor one. I made a poor one.
Picture Comparison between Paul Van Der Sloot and Lorenzo Van Rijn..Do they look similar?
http://tinyurl.com/2ctspb
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Posts gathered about Lorenzo from June 2005
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
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What Joran said about the person that helped him dispose of Natalee. Could it be Koen or Lorenzo?
“Its a Big Ocean”
“I was very lucky to get away with it”
“If they would have found the girl I would have been screwed”
“She will never be found again”
“They dropped her into the sea?Yes? Yes”
“Im prefer not to tell names,Because he has always had my back”
“Look,this friend is quite clever and he’s a bit older,We have been friends since kids”
“I’ve never told anyone about this man.Its not easy”
“I’ll never tell his name,I will take it to my grave”
“I’d give my life to help him”
America is still waiting for Oduber to go on public television, and apologize to Beth Twitty, Jug Holloway, and their entire grieving families for those ill-advised and dispicable spin untruths leveled over the past 3 years. Beyond this, an OBVIOUS apology is due to Natalee Holloway for Aruba’s failure to protect their number one asset – visiting tourists who enrich their economy.
America can deal with a lunatic murdering someone, but cannot forgive a power authority who makes a mockery of justice by his national officials and governmental employees. This can never be forgiven, and for this travesty of human justice, all Arubans will be made to pay the price.
News from every corner of the world, where the Natalee murder confession was broacast, is reporting worldwide revultion for Aruba’s inaction. As for Joran, his future is nil.
#86 yoyo…your widdle pea brain is leaking again.
You’re not smart enough to twist my words on purpose so you must just be slow with tunnel vision.
Is the De Vries at Equivocation Nation related to Peter, as in son?
Or is De Vries just a common name?
Thank you so much again SM(klaasend) Carpe, 10061906 especially for all you share with us and new kudos go out to “kloothommel” for his assistance in interpreting Aruban/Dutch law.
Re: Post# 43 (10061906) Absolutely agree 100%!! You are always so brilliant in your observations and theories. Not all of Joran’s confession(s) were in fact his ugly truths. Sporter is a street-wise little runt with a few brains in his head—still knows how to play the game and what to throw in for bogus information to further throw any investigation off track…… Doesn’t matter now anyway…Sporter is going to get his good. (albiet probably not end up doing much time)
Didn’t see anywhere here though for today where was little Dutchboy last know to be hiding out—still at poor Grandmothers??? Anyone??
J4N
He relishes in the limelight, the attention. Truly a disturbed kid. He’ll market off this attention and he’ll never be brought to justice which will feed even more his ego. He’s looking his gifthorse directly in the mouth. His admission will never hold up in an Aruban court of law – especially a corrupt one!
#90: “SM: Or alcohol plus GHB put in her drink by Joran at CnC. Joran has drugged girls before (klaasend)”.
True for the first sentence, nothing to substantiate the second.
Alcohol + Ecstasy.
Not out of the question, not out of character. The “signs” are there that at least some were on X (“signs” is the hint and tangible proof – pretty easy to find once you know the “signs” of rollin’). It’s been know for over 2 years that ecstasy was used by some during that Aruba trip.
No apology is coming they did not care that American girl tourists were getting raped. They knew about the predators not only Joran but others, how many girls has it been? We will never know. The ALE knew about it and the spiked drinks. They did nothing. Natalee’s demise could have been prevented by stopping the Dutch and island pimps from raping the tourists. Damn them to hell. To hell with that place. Any body supporting that place has not all oars in the water. PS Julia Renfro is a witch.
The Persistence is at the mercy of Mother Nature.
“Update: Tues 05-Feb 0940 hrs
Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.
Yesterday
(Tues, 04-Feb), the Persistence was in the deepest portion of the survey area battling 12-14ft with occasional 16ft seas with 35kt winds. The weather built rapidly, spawning a squall and water spout.
Today, we returned to deep water encountering 40kt+ winds and heavier seas than yesterday. A simple task such as taking a shower or walking down a corridor takes gymnastic talent. These seas are too rough to safely work in, let alone function inside the boat. On account of the conditions, we moved to shallow quiescent waters and resumed the search.”
OooooOOhhh OK…. VDS at undisclosed location today, Prosecutors biding time….
HAHAHAHAH How’s the bullet proof vest you have to wear now, Sporter??? Comfy?? What can we get you,anything?…glass of wine? Cigarette? Sorry, fresh out of joints today, Little Stoner.
LOL !!
Throughout all these latest revelations over recent days…..does anyone of power in Aruba understand or comprehend that the entire world thinks of them as being lower in stature than Iran? Iran has an agenda, Aruba has no clue.
JusticeforNatalee on February 5th, 2008 7:27 pm
Methinks gay-bashers are losers and HYPOCRITES.
to JusticeforNatalee,
Get off the politically correct bandwagon, please.
Jerry
#95 disgustedmom – being exposed for what you are sucks, doesn’t it. Go ahead and explain to me how “jews” behave the way they do and how that behavior is intrinsic to being a jew. Go ahead, I’ll be waiting…
It always comes out…it always does.
Just ask Joran.
What is sad that this is how this will conclude…
A “Jack Ruby” type paid by the drug money from Aruba and the financial interests in Aruba, will take Joran out.
While we would think it was vigilante justice. It is actually the mob silencing him now that he has implicated himself but no one else.
Joran’s days are numbered and it won’t be a vigilante that gets him.
MD
There is certainly a likeness between PVDS and Lorenzo…. PVDS has some nasty genes! Bet JVDS is scared stiff of Lorenzo. Wonder who his mother was..maybe Julia Renfrow!!!
History recorded during biblical times revealed that common people would not tolerate rapists, child molesters, and murderers. They were shunned, expelled from their villages, and were stoned. Not the kind of stoned Joran usually finds himself, but stoned would still be appropriate.
Hans Mos has enough work to do in Aruba for the next 20 years..great job security….if he survives!
JORAN COULD HAVE SAVED HER!!! AND HE DIDN’T!!!
JORAN CLAIMS THAT HE DOESN’T KILL WOMEN!!!!!
AND HE CLAIMS HIS FRIEND THREW HER IN THE OCEAN!!!
WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS DOES JORAN HAVE???
WHO WOULD DO THAT FOR JORAN????
PAULOS THAT’S WHO!!!!
Following is my assessment of this case from June 2007. I believe that Lorenzo Van Rijn = Daury. While Joran may have been to the beach, I still doubt. This took place at the Sloot compound and maybe a beach near Lorenzo’s place. (Note to Mos: when are you going to begin investigating Paulus? Try starting by working on the bastards timeline!). Happy Reading – MD
minnesota dad on June 26th, 2007 10:27 am
I have always maintained that this crime was simple. The cover-up was the complex problem – coached suspects (J2K) giving multiple stories is a tactic known to defense attorneys in order to cloud the case up as much as possible.
This is the case in a nutshell:
J2K pick up Natalee at CnC’s. They take her to #19 Montana, the Sloot compound (I come to this conclusion based on Joran’s statements – his first statement was the HI drop off – his second statement was the THREE of them took her back to his home…this statement was made at the same time of the confession that ’something bad happened’ – when the ’something bad happened’ was reversed by Joran’s handlers, the new story was that he dropped her off at the beach). Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside.
From 1:00am to 3:00am the THREE are joined by Freddy, Guido, Koen and possibly other “pimps” for a gang rape at the Sloot compound. Joran has already confessed that he was raping her while she fell in and out of consciousness. Natalee fights, as evident by scratches described by witnesses on Guido and Joran. Approximately 3 am, something bad does happen – she is non-responsive…maybe from drugs…more likely from being smacked hard after scratching Guido and Joran. She is taken into the main Van Der Sloot compound and placed on a mattress. Paulus sends everyone home. Natalee is alive, but in very serious shape – from the drugs, being raped, and heavy battery.
Approximately 3:30am, after Joran has searched the Internet for a half hour, Joran and Paulus load the gravely injured Natalee into the car and head off to the ATM machine and Lorenzo’s. Lorenzo is asked to take care of her.
Perhaps she was dead during this time, but my guess is that she was passed to Lorenzo in a seriously messed up state. I base this on 1) Satish Kalpoe asking, “how’s the girl”, 2) Joran bragging about his sexual exploits with her at school the next day (psychopath or not, I believe he would be smart enough to not brag about a girl he murdered), 3) Dennis Jacobs confidently recommending that Dave Holloway sit back, she will turn up in a few days (once recovered from the assault and rape that occured).
The evidence of the pass on to Lorenzo is that Joran boarded the bus near Lorenzo’s property at 6:50am on the morning of Natalee’s disappearance.
In the meantime, the media and the Holloway/Twittys come to the island. Now, if Natalee was alive (which upon analyzing everything…it is very possible — but near death), they had a huge problem….releasing her at a crack house or other place would DEVASTATE tourism as FOXNews and everyone else would be reporting how she was kidnapped, drugged, and raped by the island’s elite Dutch children.
The decision was made to disappear Natalee Holloway (either living or if she died somewhere between 3:00am and 6:30am during the transfer to Lorenzo). This is where Natalee’s life had to be taken and her “disappeared” in order to not harm tourism on the island. This explains PVDS’ “No body – no crime” statement. This also explains Deepaks police car comment, “If they find the girl they will find the chit” and Joran’s response, “I will laugh if they find the girl”.
What better place to take ‘the girl’ then to an ‘untouchable’ property on the island? They needed to get her out of the VDS compound ASAP, as they knew that there would be a search in the immediate hours after it was discovered that Natalee did not make her flight.
It is very clear that Paulus and his compound were center to this case based on 1) Paulus clearly coaching the witnesses and interfering with the investigation (per Karin Janssen), 2) the blood soaked mattress and the furniture truck arriving to deliver furniture, 3) the intentional interference in the search of #19 Montana through Judge Bob Wit and Ben Vocking restricting the search to Joran’s apartment only, 4) Paulus filing with the Aruban courts to not allow the FBI to have any jurisdiction or to provide any independant searches (why have people involved that would actually solve the crime?).
What we do know, is that there are witness statements that PVDS was out with JVDS and Natalee at 4:00am. We also early on were told that there was an ATM transaction at this time. We also know that Joran picked up his bus to school near Lorenzo’s home. A dead or gravely injured Natalee was taken to Lorenzo’s. Based on the assault of Guido and Joran, she was badly hurt (remember, she fell and hit her head several times when dropped off at the Holiday Inn!).
So there you have it. Very simple and not muddied and complex as a defense attorney, Paulus, would like you to believe. Here are my opinions on the charges:
Deepak Kalpoe – Accessory to kidnap, rape, and murder
Satish Kalpoe – Accessory to Kidnap, rape, and murder
Joran Van Der Sloot – Kidnap, Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder. Providing False witness statements in a criminal investigation.
Guido Wever – Rape, heavy battery, and accessory to murder
Paulus Van Der Sloot – Accessory to kidnap and murder. In addition, Paulus provided false witness statements (the 6/16/2007 vanished witness statement) and interfered with a criminal investigation. Racketeering. Transporting and accessory in the disposal of a body.
Lorenzo – Accessory to murder and transporting/disposal of a body.
No one was ever at a beach where tennis shoes stolen from the lost and found at the racquet club were conveniently placed by Guido and Joran. No one was ever at the lighthouse…where the exact belt, that Joran was strangling a friend on his MySpace account, was found. These were plants to muddy the case.
Yes, it was all in plain view. Now, please KLPD. End this case….I am very, very tired of doing your work for you.
md
#104: “to JusticeforNatalee,
Get off the politically correct bandwagon, please.
Jerry”
Jerry – Most of the people that complain about “political correctness” are the same people who have prejudices. These people are just upset because it’s no longer socially acceptable to make their racial/religious/gender/gay slurs.
“Political Correctness” is necessary in our world. It’s a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behavior seen as seeking to minimize offense to racial, cultural or other identity groups.
Agree or disagree?
Regarding the upcoming ‘shows” in Boston & NY, if Ahata stills plan to participate: I think those planning to counter by peaceful but vocal demonstration would be well advised NOT to post their intent on these threads. The sand pigs should not be afforded the luxury of knowing or tracking the number of Americans who will appear to carry Natalee’s story to visitors. Nothing is more effective than eliment of surprise. IMHO.
To Reed, and 1906.
I’ve always said that if you take Joran’s words and use the opposite meaning, then the real meaning becomes true. Trolls just pounce on this like a house-cat on a mouse.
Joran said that he had intercourse with Natalee. To me this is interpreted, as he had consensual sex with Natalee. The opposite is not that he did not have sex with Natalee, but that relations were forced on Natalee.
He said that Natalee started having a seizure, like it just happen for no reason, like he had nothing to do with it. The opposite is that he caused the seizure, by choking, hitting, or smothering her.
He said he called a friend with a boat, and that the friend alone took Natalee out to sea, but then he contradicts himself by saying that she felt like an old rag when put overboard.
We know that he did not call the person he said he did. If someone went out on the boat, then he went also, because he said he did not.
In addition and in a different direction, the opposite of taking her to sea would be that he took her someplace on the island. My best guess is the landfill. I’m not saying that he took her to the landfill, but that she ended up there.
Junior told everyone that he saw Paulus, Joran, and D. at the landfill, and that they placed a body under a small swimming pool, and then put trash on top of the pool. Dave found the pool where Junior said it was. How did Junior know it was there? What was his motive? Did he tell the truth? I always believed Junior.
My best guess is yes, Junior told the truth; and yes Junior did not tell the truth. He told some truth (he saw Paulus, Joran, and someone at the landfill, but no, he did not see them burying a body. I believe he told the part about a body because he believed there was one, and by saying so, the searchers would look longer, and he might get a reward. I believe Dave Holloway believed Junior.
It is possible that Paulus and Joran found Natalee’s body, but I don’t believe so. I think she is still there.
Let’s entertain the idea that they did find Natalee’s body. If so, they wrapped it in plastic and took it to the basin for pickup and disposal at sea. Or possible for pick up by the Weaver Kid (1906, you have said it yourself that no one pays attention to a hearse). The rock videos, I can’t explain. I can’t figure out how they tie in, I just know they do.
So my best guess is Natalee is in the landfill. She has been there since day 1, and is still there.
What a horrible thought!
Jerry
#96: Olivier is not related to Peter de Vries. As it turns out, de Vries is a very common Dutch name.
I saw old footage tonight of Paulus running away from cameras early on in this case, actually within weeks of Joran commanding her to be tossed at sea. Paulus was not fat at all back then. His belly was nearly flat. Now he looks 10 1/2 months prenant with twins.
Abdominal fat is directly linked to heart disease. If you read anything from Hodges, it says those with guilty knowledge self-destruct. They harm themselves with food, smoke, alcohol, pot…. whatever.
Paulus has gained a huge amount of weight since his evil spawn killed Natalee.
Nancy Grace was awesome today. She threw the Aruban judges right under the bus for not calling for Joran’s immediate arrest. She will latch onto this thing and not let go until justice is served.
Aruba there is no more room or time for cover ups. Allow justice to be served immediately! I believe a grassroots movement along with key TV folks like Nancy Grace, Oprah (DEFINITELY NOT GRETA)can be successful to get our government to give Aruba the same status as Cuba where Americans are not permitted to travel there for safety concerns. If they don’t give us justice for Natalee, this movement will only become more powerful.
“”"EURobert on February 5th, 2008 1:33 pm
Just on dutch TV-newsshow Netwerk: Lorenzo v. R…… is now both in Holland and Aruba in the picture as possible helper of Joran (at least in the public opinion)”"”
OK – Did I Not Say This Just Yesterday…
Lorenzo is the only person Joran would call from a pay phone – Everyone Knows You Do NOT Call A Drug Dealer On Your Cell -
Too Bad That Cigarette Boat Is More Than Likely Long Gone From Aruba -
Lorenzo is not only older than Joran – But Joran Idolizes Lorenzo’s Drug Infested LifeStyle – Only Problem Is You Can’t Get To Him – Zo is Protected By The Best Columbian/Venezuelan Drug Lord BodyGuards In The Biz -
I totally agree 106, MD. It would be the perfect time to dispose of Joran. He knows everything, everyone involved, times, etc.; kill him and it is over. Someone is looking for him as I write this probably. The corrupt people in the Aruban government will have to stop him, he talks far too much and too often. And they can blame it on vigilante justice. Maybe they just make him disappear, it’s a big ocean, then it’s back to drug dealing and all of the other illegal acts happening in Aruba. If it were vigilante justice, you would have to bring in the marines, because there are a heck of a number to dispose of. I think if we can just wait and watch, things will happen. Keep Joran talking and pretty soon, the truth will come out. He just cannot stop talking, this should get interesting.
Yoyo,
My Dad grew up in Mississippi, and you can bet his language has embarrassed me a time or two, but I’m not going to beat him over the head with it either. To me this would be disrespectful, and if he and I were out in the middle the Superior Quetico Park in Minnesota, I might use the same language. Who would we be offending in the middle of know-where?
So to answer your question, I both agree, and disagree.
Jerry
minnesota dad, yes, your version appears to be right. Do you say that Natalee was dumped at sea, or cremated, or put in the dump? Joran’s story to the “undercover” person is that they had sex, she convulsed and somebody else dumped her in the sea. Left out the drugs, gang rape and violence, so what did he leave out in the body disposal story? You think the painted rocks with the video of what appears to be a body being lifted and put plastic, is unrelated?
Just curious, as you really know the facts. Thanks.
yo, nychick
“Only Problem Is You Can’t Get To Him – Zo is Protected By The Best Columbian/Venezuelan Drug Lord BodyGuards In The Biz -”
Never say can’t, to mop up the bloodbath that would result in the excercise would merely require 3 – 200hp pumps to clear away the mess. Everything is doable with the proper motivation.
Right on Viet Vet….
If I were Joran and I wanted to live, I would get my butt on TV ASAP and bring down everyone involved…Everyone…including PAPA. He will be taken out if he doesn’t. He has made himself expendable. He is a target of the drug mob now.
He dies…and Aruba says the murderer was taken down by a vigilante…case closed. Way too perfect Joran….you idiot!
MD
112 M.D.,
Very believable, very credible.
Jerry
We all live in a make-beleive world, if you follow political correctness. So yoyo,113…I disagree. Racial,religious,gender,gay slurs only exist if someone of one of those groups allows them to exist. What’s wrong with those words? We all get too upset about words, remember “sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me” ,,,that is unless you let them. It a person is gay, why should he/she care if that is what people call them. If you are black, you are black and if you are a Jew, then you are a Jew. I have nothing for or against any of those groupies,,,but Joran,,,HE IS GUILTY. and so are a hell of lot more in ARUBA. He is trying to hide his guilt. boycott.
No! Don’t kill Joran. Torture him until he tells where Natalee can be found, and then keep torturing him until she IS found. Then, you may get rid of him. That should work.
Focus for a moment on the fact that the entire van der Sloot family planned to sue the Aruban government for THEIR treatment. Paulus knowing full well his son murdered Natalee, plans to capitalize on it financially and sue his government for being wrongly accused.
Looking at the situation its not hard to see that the apple falls right beneath the tree. I think Paulus got in on the gang rape of Natalee and aided in the disposal of her body and cover up.
As for Anita, she is just a pathetic human being and she now wears the skin of the murdering rapists that surround her. She is no different than them. Not to mention she had no fashion sense, cannot apply make up and has a huge a$$!
The best news lately is that there are 100′s of active blogs around the world rehashing the Natalee story, the confession tapes, and more. The Caribbean drug drop off mecca that has been hush-hush, wink-winked for dozens of years is now being openly discussed by everyone. That’s something to be proud of, huh? Perhaps Breien can develop a new jingle and media banner. I’ll just bet that really allows ARUBA to rise to the top of the #1 tourist destination tree….right!
With all those sand pigs choking weed, and grinding blue rock, small wonder they can claim to be One Happy Island.
122, MD….A very good point. Joran if you are reading this, you best go over to Peter’s and apologize about the wine throwing. See if you can catch a ride to the USA and talk,talk,talk. Fess up to everything and give the names of all the corrupt Aruban officials. Tell who helped you etc…and guess what. The most you will get is 5 to 8 years in the cell. Come out and start a new life, or stay as you are and get your rear shot off or cut up or dropped in the big ocean …alive. MD, you have it down perfecto.
It sounds like he’s reading a script:
.
Make sure you tell them that we had
nothing to do with it… okay?!?!?
.
But, Mummy, you know I’m not like that!
.
Boycott!
120 Open a Window….
I think Body disposal was ultimately at sea, however, Aruban Law enforcement themselves has stated that the body appeared to be moved several times from shallow grave to shallow grave.
The painted rocks deal came on the day that “the suspects were leading authorities to the body”. I believe that her body was there. Aruba has not come up with a good explanation for this video (first it was painting rocks as they were going to put some signs up around there, then it was the video was that of a young colombian boy who was found there). The rocks are like the casino picture with “the cook” sitting next to Natalee…Aruban investigators refuse to give a credible statement regarding either.
As far as the landfill….I believe that key evidence was there. What better way to transfer a bloodied person than to throw her in one of Joran’s brother’s “kiddie pool”. Junior identified Paulus, Joran and Deepak at the landfill with the “kiddie pool”. I don’t think Natalee was there but I would bet her DNA was all over that “kiddie pool”.
I have not researched the approximate date of the bag at the Marriott basin, but if that was subsequent to cleaning her up from the rocks, my guess is that she was taken well out into the ocean and dumped. But there were many steps taken before she got there and it didn’t happen until after the suspect “was taking authorities to the body”.
A forearm and arm were found but discounted by Aruba. Blonde hair with duct tape was found on the shore but discounted by Aruba. It has even been felt that there is photographic evidence of her top from that night being found on the same shoreline.
Joran has shown that he was involved and that he has no remorse….but he hasn’t given us the full truth yet. The truth lies in Paulus Van Der Sloot’s timeline for the evening – which ALE and the KLPD (Mos) have refused to develop.
MD
Bob -
In the U.S. – Of Course – This Is Aruba
The Wealthy Live By A Different Set Of Rules
Klaas Has A Pic of Zo’s Casa –
Most Would Be Shot If They Went Near It
I’m Pretty Certain Joran Was Not Allowed There
Very Often – Too Risky As Joran Has A Big Fat Yap
_________________________________
To Observer:
Here Is The Problem:
Lorenzo Was Called That Night – Count On It
But Zo Did Not Get His Hands Dirty – So To Speak
Someone Else Was Ordered To Do The Deed
Bravo Minnesota Dad #112.
I have 3 questions.
1. What about the real reason Paulos came home a day early. I think its because he is Joran’s drinking/gambling/whoring/raping buddy and they both knew that the group of students were going home the following morning.
2. What about Paulos checking his computer that night about drug interactions?
3. What about the severe sweating Paulos did while Beth, Greta and Anita were all talking at their table? Didn’t Anita look furious? And I mean she looked furious at Paulos and was trying to come up with explanations while he just sat there sweating.
By the way, I think you’re right on in the series of events.
md-
You are Correct – The Gang Rape Took Place At
The Sloot’s House – I Have Always Thought This
Locals DO NOT Have Sex On The Beach – Too Sandy
Besides – The Pig Never Said Where “The Semen” Happened – He Just Said That They Took Natalee To The Beach – This Was His MO – All The Others Woke Up Later After Being Dumped In The Sand –
The Pig’s Plan Failed This Time
JORAN IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ARUBA
JORAN IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO HIS FAMILY
JORAN IS AN EMBARRASSMENT EVEN TO HIS LAWYER
JOE TACAPINO!!!
I love it how they think that if they come out
and get in front of the cameras,
they are exaunerated.
There has to be a reason why he named this man.
I, too, believe that he is lying and I have
always thought from day one that someone hit
Natalee from behind…
Would that cause foaming of the mouth?
It is true, I know, that it can cause convulsions.
I still don’t think that this was a rape/gang rape
But, a kidnap…
The witness saw three men putting a girl
in the back end of a pick-up….
Not a boat.
.
Justice for Natalee
132 – Taz,
1) Don’t know why Paulus was back early. Both he and Joran claimed that he left the casino to get his brother, Sebastian, who was at a friends home. This does not fly because 1) he is pictured hitting on Natalee at the card table, and 2) Aruba has not provided any credible evidence that Sebastian was back from Holland — He was still with his mother!
2) The computer was checked in a frenzied panic just after sending the “pimps” home for the night and starting to figure out what the hell he was going to do with a dead or dying girl on his hands.
3) Well, wouldn’t you sweat a little if the ghost of Natalee was sitting right next to you in the interview?
Paulus had help from high up people in getting out of this. Paulus must fall for this case to be solved. Paulus’ timeline for the night must be developed (yes, timelines are Crime 101 stuff…but Aruba and the KLPD do not seem interested in developing a timeline for Paulus).
MD
Thank you, minnesota dad, you have answered my questions with logical answers. I needed an explanation for the dump, painted rocks, duct tape, and you have given it to me. The police must have had all of this evidence, but I guess the “hard” evidence has disappeared, just like Natalee.
#112 M Dad ….PLEASE WRITE YOUR POST IN A LETTER AND MAIL IT TO HANS MOS. IT MAKES SENSE. SERIOUSLY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE CASE SUDDENLY HAS MOMENTUM AGAIN..IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE. YOU INCLUDE ALL THE LOOSE ENDS AND SNIPPETS OF INFO. THAT HAVE COME OUT HERE, IN THE PRESS AND TV OVER THE WEEKS AND MONTHS OD THIS CASE FROM DAY ONE, AND YOU HAVE WOVEN THEM LOGICALLY INTO THE PERFECT ROPE TO HANG THEM ALL WITH.
137 -
It is also important to note that photo stills taken from the “painted rocks” video appear to show the sideangle shots of Paulus Van Der Sloot driving a Volvo, and who was his passenger…but Baby Huey.
At this same time, Beth was asked to give a blood DNA sample so they could match up with the victim.
For some reason right after this, ALE pulled back from thier statements that she was dead and that the perp was leading her to the body….to “huh, what, we never said that…did we?” (OK, I embellished the last part…but Aruba did totally change their story at this point in time – the orders were in that a cover-up would be better than disclosing what happened).
MD
#104: “to JusticeforNatalee,
Get off the politically correct bandwagon, please.
Jerry”
Jerry—NO!
It’s not asking too much for people to stop bigoted remarks.
To MD #36
I agree with you on all three. However, I think the reason that Paulos was sweating like crazy is because he thought that Greta with cameraman and Beth (Nat’s mom) had come with some info to nail him with and he was scared shitless!! He was hiding behind the bushes when they were at the gate. He was cornered like a rat at the table. And his wife was shooting daggers at him. He thought it was all over that day for him by his behavior and we all got to see it on video!!
138 – KJ
I am confident that Hans Mos or his “putas” (as Joran would say), reads this board.
Hans Mos has made no effort to have the letter retracted that the prior prosecutor, Karin Janssen (a friend of PVDS) wrote stating PVDS was no longer a suspect in this case. PVDS’ friends in the judicial system (Paulus’ black robed judge buddies) used this letter to release PVDS as a suspect in the case. Not only that…but to award PVDS $30,000 for the hassle.
PVDS has been made almost impossible to prosecute due to these actions. Mos needs to expose the conflict of interest misconduct that took place.
He won’t…and I guarantee everyone that no one is going to jail unless he does.
MD
p.s. The reason I am being so detailed tonight is that there are many, many readers from Holland due to the PdV show. They need to see not only how rotten Joran Van Der Sloot was in this case…but how rotten Aruban Law Enforcement, the Justice department, and most importantly the judicial branch has been on this case. IT SMELLS TO HIGH HEAVEN AND NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED!
was the “half-brother” Lorenzo SPAWNED from Paulus or what? Need more info on the evil family tree.
Paulus, do us all a favor and go off yourself. You know you were involved in this crime. You are a no good SOB just like your son(s).
How we are all wondering about the little ones and what more evil your family has in store for the world.
Oh Gee, by the way, too bad you are not going to cash in on your crimes. You’ve been exposed for the world to see and its only going to get worse from here buddy. Just wait for the civil suits. This thing is going to go on and on and on.
It reminds me of pie…. 3.14 et cetera. You are so over!
Oh and news flash for you, your wife is fat and ugly and someone definitely stole your 2×4!
112, MD, That’s the best outline that I have seen so far. I think that your scenario is as close to the real thing as anyone’s.
I think there is a whole lot of truth in Joran’s hidden-camera discussions. However, I do think that he left out a lot of stuff, and particularly, a lot of people.
to say that he was making it all up, is a lie. One has to discern which it is. A lie, with elements of truth, or a lie that is blantant. Joran does both.
Joran won’t think this is “so stupid” when he’s convicted of the list of offenses that MD wrote.
justice for natalee
boycott aruba
molly in houston
MD #112 I think your theory is right on and I think it would be awesome if somehow we could get that out there for millions to read.
#77 Sharon, I have had the same thoughts as you, and I believe she did get sick and threw up thats the reason for the Kalpoes cleaning their car that early in the morning. They are involved most definately.
me thinks #83 is gay and has hurt feelings, lol,lol.
142-MD, I also feel as tho you have pretty much nailed this on the head. It seems you have cleared the smoke out and put in place the facts and made 2 plus 2 add up to 4, great job, and thank you for your input. I also believe Joran will be taken out by his own kind, his mouth has finally overidden his ass.
God Bless you Natalee you sweet girl, and Beth and Dave and Jug as well.
If what I’m seeing in #24 is accurate…
IT DID NOT GO PEACEFULLY.
SHE DID NOT JUST O.D.,
START SHAKING & DIE.
(of course some of us knew there was
more to it, right?) *There was.
She fought.
If she was dying in JORAN’S arms,
it was because he was hitting her.
*****
I can see why Joran is saying if the body is
found he is screwed. Deepak said if the body
is found, he is up the creek too.
**** It’s because they beat the sh out of her.
1. hit in left eye
2. gash on left cheek.
3. shot between the eyes.
pic-
http://tinyurl.com/2k32sk
more-
http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/
-j4n
These guys make my stomach churn. They are simply
hateful little bastards.
slideshow
http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/?albumview=slideshow
Think about his people. Why was this stuff broadcasted way too early? Why did they deliberately destroy the possibility for finding the real undeniable truth by doing so? Could waiting longer before going public do more harm than that?
Paulass & Anita,
I think it is time for you to come clean and fess up. From what I am reading, your sorry ass son’s life may depend on it.
And this goes for all you cover-up pieces of crap!
This is a spin off MD’s post, What if Natalee was still alive and Larenzo is the one to pick her up in the boat and discovered she was still alive? Think about it, Lorenzo could tell joran he will dispose of the body, papa sloot was there as well. He takes Natalee to his place of ” untouchable ” and she is still alive, and she recovers. What a nice set up he would have. Everyone involved thinks she is dead and is sweating bullets, Lorenzo is coaching everyone, good for business for him. He tells the sloots he has dumped her in the ocean and in reality he has her recovering on his private land in his home. He now has even more power over the island big wigs, and by the same token has this beautiful american girl he can solicite out and make big dollars on. He has no worries, after all she is dead to the island and to the world. He coaches the sloots and their every move and eventually gets wind of devries setting joran up and sets devries up to get closure in the holloway case and restore aruba back to its ” one happy island “. When closure happens and is excepted time heals all wounds, and then back to business. Im not saying Natalee is alive but had to throw this out there as far fetched as it may seem it is possible. If this were the case then he could dispose of her at anytime and no one would be the wiser. Please do not be upset with me on this, its just a thought I have had and for a very long time.
I just want to add that the Caribean is well know for drug trafficking and ” HUMAN ” trafficking as well. From what I have learned, young blonde attractive girls sell high and make good money on the market. Im no expert on this by no means but with what I have read in the last year or so, this is going on more than anyone realizes, its phenominal. The case that MD has put together is highly probable, but being the optomist I am, I just do not want to believe she is dead yet.
while I am at it…
Judge Smit: Do the right thing and RECUSE yourself from this case.
Aruba officials: Look at what they have done to your country; look what your cover up has done. Is it / are they really worth it?
The whole world is watching! This case will NOT go away like you thought!
I have to say that this board is turning as ugly as the Aruban boards were a few years ago. BETSY you are being as cruel to anita as arubans were to Beth calling her a pig and posting pics. There has never been any evidence that she knows what is going on. PLUS your obsession with fat is probably offending the 70 % (statistically speaking) fat asses on the board.
Carpe Noctem – Do you have special powere. Shot in the head etc. GET REAL your dark thoughts make me wonder about maybe you are a sicko yourself. It doenst take a psychic to know that Joran obviously raped Natallee because she died or went into a coma after sex. Yes maybe he caused her death , held her face in the sand etc. But this Paulus Deepok half the island gang raping her thoughts are disturbing. Kinda like the people who hate porn who watch it all day long to rate it. Or the minister who rail against gays and then are caught in a gay way.
Jug was so sane last night- so many kind words about Beth and Natalee. SO Unoffended by all the crazy sex with step daughter crap. SO LEVEL HEADED> Thinks Kalpoe brothers may have had nothing more to do with it than dropping her off.
#105 yoyo “#95 disgustedmom – being exposed for what you are sucks, doesn’t it. Go ahead and explain to me how “jews” behave the way they do and how that behavior is intrinsic to being a jew. Go ahead, I’ll be waiting…
It always comes out…it always does.
Just ask Joran.”
***
I’ll play with you a little while, then I’m done talking to people who only see one side of stuff.
Let’s use the Jewish for example since you did…the Jewish have a long history of repression and prejudice against them. So like anyone who has been scapegoated for so long, and even had so many murdered over the years just because they are Jewish, Jewish people might behave with a cautious mind for they never really know who might be out to get them just because they are Jewish.
#154 Dan
I have always believed it was highly possible Natalee was sold. People are so sick, I could even imagine her bringing in better than expected cash because so many hate America these days.
If she were sold, no doubt some immediate and ruthless raping of her occurred that night to scare the living crap outa her and get her a bit desensitized before the handoff to her owner, but I’m not sure I think Joran raped her. I think Joran did other things like beat her up and stuff, but I think his job was Lure.
Here’s one reason why I don’t think Joran raped Natalee himself….He talks about sex with females like some 2 year old who just found his wee wee in his diaper. And you all know I think Joran is afraid he’s gay and is and is quite furious about it.
As Beth has always said this is “huge”
The retraction of the confession on June 10 ,2005, the ALE said it was a “misinformation campaign”
No shit, that’s when the ALE was starting with misinformation to stop the truth from coming out.
I am waiting to see if Julia will apologized to Beth and Jug for the statements she made about Natalee, Jug, and Beth.
I heard Jossy say that on some blogs the Arubans have apologized, does anyone have those links? Maybe we will see of Julia has the guts to admit her “misinformation”
Julia why do you lie?
@112
Please go write a crime novel or something. This is just speculation. There is no evidence whatsoever that Natalee was raped or kidnapped. Let alone some gangrape.
It seems that everyone, who never believed anything JvdS has declared in the past (and rightly so), is now CHERRY PICKING from his ‘confession’ to decide what’s true and what’s not.
So you DO believe that Joran dumped Natalee in the ocean but you DON’T believe that she herself requested to go to the beach and that she and Joran were (voluntarily) making out….that’s easy!
It’s not that I think that JvdS wasn’t involved in the dissapearance (or even death) of Natalee however, there isn’t any evidence that he drugged her either. Natalee was drinking since 10 AM so it would be my guess that she was just very drunk….
and furthermore, as a suspect it is not a crime to lie (or give false statements)….
I agree with MD and Dan’s follow up comments. Well thought through! Lorenzo is 25, as Joran said in the video naming Daury as the dumper. I believe he is the missing key to this deal, as well as Paulus. Anita knows everything. She needs to come forward since the men in her family won’t be honest about it. We need to lean on her! Come on Anita, tell the whole story!!
#154 Dan … Sounds like a fairy tale to me…
)
#136 Patti: It’s a mis-translation that Natalee was foaming at the mouth. She was not according to Joran. Patrick asks if she was, Joran says “no”.
I really think everyone is making the story too complicated and I think that if some of these things happened we would see at least pieces of it in Joran’s confession. I’m “inclined” to believe that the Kalpoes’ participation was simply covering up with a promise of money for doing so. Their own statements show they knew something. I believe this is how Deepak got his job back at the Internet Cafe – “someone” bought half of it as I recall and then Deepak got his job back.
Perhaps their involvement has something to do with either drugging Natalee or knowing that she was drugged. Perhaps its just knowing the plans for her.
I think it is as simple as Joran raping Natalee, she died or went comatose, Joran had her body disposed of (courtesy of Paulus calling someone like Lorenzo). It seems most likely that Paulus was involved very early on because of the research on his computer. Lorenzo being involved would help explain the letter Paulus got “from Natalee” – Lorenzo would have the connections to get this done. Lorenzo would instantly know how Joran should cover his tracks (as Paulus probably would).
If the Kalpoes fessed up with everything they do know, this would probably assist nailing Joran. I believe that Joran told Deepak enough the night Beth arrived that Deepak could shed some light on this; Joran has proved that he can’t keep his mouth shut and perhaps there was some cleaning up they had to do that night – If Lorenzo is involved, that would explain why Deepak would keep his mouth shut – knowing what could happen to him.
Deepak needs to be given a very safe haven to talk his guts out.
#112 Minnesota Dad…. I disagree with your theory…too complicated too many twists and turns.
I believe they did take Natalee with rape in mind all three of them. Whether they raped her at Jorans apartment or on the beach I do not know but I think others were brought into picture to dispose of her like either Koen for use of his boat or Lorenzo to find a boat and dump Natalee and this was arranged by Paulus.
Also the part: Paulus was present at the compound. THEY NEVER, EVER bring Natalee into Joran’s apartment but rather carry on poolside
I disagee with above statement also, because they would not set up a gang rape around the pool so everyone could hear their goings on. Does not add up.
Who knows maybe Natalee never started “shaking or having a siezure”… Maybe that is Jorans excuse to use that she died of self imposed natural causes, like too much alcohol, instead of telling the truth that he murdered her by suffication.
If she fought him back he would have smacked her around to shut her up so he could complete his task in reaching his sexual satisfaction.
160. Natalee told the MB students that Joran, who said he was a student on a holiday, also staying at the HI, was giving her a ride to the HI.
he wanted to take her to he HI to have sex and she didnt want to go back, this was a huge problem because he had already slipped something in her drink. he took her to the beach hoping to have sex or at least oral. either after or during, she had a seizure because she had so much to drink, her body was likely very run down due to a week of partying and not sleeping much, she probably didnt eat much all week. he panicked. he called his dad or a close friend for help. someone came with a boat and he carried her out and loaded her in the boat. he went home and someone dumped her in the ocean. there is no gang rape, there is no sex slave trading. i dont believe the kalpo brothers know anything, maybe about the drugs, but not much else. they would have flipped.
#161
Alright then, pick the SOB up as a witness. He admits he was there. It is against your brilliant law system to lie as a witness!!!!
#158 – then I guess you won’t be posting anymore.
Remember when you questioned Jossy’s motives, got blasted, then you stepped right back in line?
And I got it – jews are paranoid. Let’s say someone converts – do you automatically become “cautious”?
You’re too much.
Carl#168: Why would deepak go out with Joran the next night? Do you really think Joran could keep his mouth closed? Why was Deepak and Satish cleaning out the car? Why did Deepak say “if they see that chit on the girl…….. you will get 15 years” in the police conversation if he knew nothing?
Here is my scenario.
I believe Joran was dropped off at the beach with Natalee I believe he gave her some type of drugs. She starting OD’ing, either on the drug that he gave her or the excessive alcohol, or both (hence they will see that shit, how’s the girl doing?) Joran panicked, called Kalpoes who came & picked him up. Took all of them to Joran’s main house in Deepak’s car. Natalee threw up in the car. They get to the house and tell Pappa Sloot. They check the internet for overdoses. She is not getting any better. Pappa Sloot gathers her up and takes her to meet a boat somewhere ( I am still undecided about this) I think Paulus may have “borrowed” a boat and did it all himself. He stops by the bank to get some money to pay for hush up or for borrowing the boat. She is taken out to sea and dumped. The boys stay at the house. Pappa Sloot is the only who knows what really happened to her. Joran will take this info that he knows to the grave with him. Who else would Joran trust? Surely not his friends. I believe that Paulus friends know much more than they are letting on, but some of it is just speculation on their part. Paulus is the culprit and he knows how to play the game. He has told nothing to anyone and therefore, no one can be held accountable.
@169
uhuh…sure…and then use this statement to prosecute him….
Unfortunately, also as a witness you are not obliged to incriminate yourself. And as I understand it, this is the same in your brilliant law system.
You know, the USA law system where someone can get the death penalty and after the execution it turns out that the person was innocent…Just brilliant!
Remember, absolutely nothing that Joran has said so far has been demonstrated to be true.
The one “fact” that could be checked … the name of his so-called accomplice … proved to be wrong. Everything else that he says comes from the mouth of someone who has lied since day one.
On a higher-up thread, I posted the latest news that the Kalpoes’ lawsuit vs. Dr. Phil is still on, and their lawyer says he’s out to cash in.
(surprise, surprise)
Could this explain why Joran said, specifically, that the Kalpoes were innocent, and that he made his disparaging remarks? Possible.
Otherwise, we have no confirmation for his report that he was on the beach.
We have no confirmation for his report that Natalee suddenly started foaming at the mouth.
We have no confirmation for anything. There are all sorts of questions to clarify, and it doesn’t seem that it’s being done.
All options remain open.
It’s always convenient when dual-language criminals in other country’s fall back on the old hackneed defense that they were “mis-quoted” or their statements were not “translated” correctly.
That doesn’t hold water in the court of World Opinion. Every time smoke is found, the cause is fire.
Richard: spot on about the dr. phil thing. Bet that’s suppose to be Deepak’s payoff for covering for joran. wonder what happens when they lose that suit.
#124 viet vet – words have power. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think so.
I’ll throw a saying back at you – “the pen is mighter than the sword”
I think Joran is delusional and made up the story about Natalee to Patrick. I don’t think he trusted him…his dark secrets need to be kept secret, especially with dad and half brother involved. He doesn’t mind incriminating his so-called friends, his tougue rolls out lies very easily. Joran knows that with many lies comes confusion, and that’s what everyone has except the ones that know the truth. If one honest person involved could step forward like Anita, the whole thing will be solved. I don’t think Peter’s claims of solving this crime is anywhere close to the truth. Narcissists,like Joran, lie upon lies and they believe them themselves. They also like major attention like this. Anita needs to come forward with the truth! Come on Anita, spill out the beans!!
#148Dan on February 6th, 2008 2:32 am
me thinks #83 is gay and has hurt feelings, lol,lol.
What an idiotic comment. You have shown what an ignoramus you are.
That’s right, moron. I’m gay. I am a woman married for over thirty years to a man and have children.
And so what if I was gay? I would still be proud to have a family and would still love my partner and be proud of it.
And here’s the point: You act as though that would be a “bad” thing; like you are insulting me. What a complete buffoon you are!
I know a lot of nice and competent gay people. I used to work at a publishing house where the editor in chief was openly gay and didn’t have to hide it. (She wasn’t working with ignorant people like you.)
All I did was request that the bigoted comments stop.
And that would include anti-Semitic comments also.
Any bigoted comments. They are irrelevant to the case.
We are supposed to be adults here; educated adults.
Good news: Vicki’s got the permit for Boston in hand.
All systems go!
Still need people for both shows, esp. NY
Please contact Vicki: JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
I remember the first day of Natalee’s disapperance and have followed this sad story to current. It touched me deeply because I have daughters and the thought of losing a child under any circumstance is just a nighmare but not knowing what happened to her has haunted me.
I know that from an observers point of view it has been crytal clear that there has been a cover up. I know that the Van der Sloot family is involved.
I know that Joran like Ted Bundy is a killer and just as cameleon in his ability to camoflauge his true identity.
I know that Beth Twitty is a remarkable woman and I commend her on her strength and fortitude to follow her heart and her instincts to see this through. If more woman in the world stood up and stood together it would be a different world.
I know that one day the Van der Sloot familiy will be held accountable for their insidious behavior.
I pray to God almighty that Natalee did not suffer and passed in the arms of an angel protecting her.
I hope that everyone involved in this terrible crime is caught and punished to the full extent of the law.
Reply to post 130 Minnesota Dad
“A forearm and arm were found but discounted by Aruba. Blonde hair with duct tape was found on the shore but discounted by Aruba. It has even been felt that there is photographic evidence of her top from that night being found on the same shoreline.”
Actually, both the duct tape with blonde hair and possibly the forearm bone washed ashore in Venezuela were sent to both forensics labs in Holland and the US for independent DNA testing.
In each case confims they were NOT Natalee’s.
Terrence,
Please site your sources. Please provide sources from the US that tested and rejected the DNA tests.
We’re these the same labs that were sent blood samples from the Kalpoe car only to determine months later it was cleaning fluid and chocolate?
Sorry, crdibility is pretty low with these labs.
MD
Hope the authorities and other witnesses stop being cowards and get this mess done. JVdS is an obvious pathological case, and is getting caught in his many lies. Shame of the US defense atty, you must have no conscience at all.
What Ms. Hollaway endured that night, we don’t know, but to be killed, in any way, is the worst injustice.
This Van der Slut is a horror, and if I were his parent, I would put him up for the justice system myself and disown him, let him rot in his own filth. The parents of him should be held accountable to aiding and abetting his lies and crimes. Seems like they missed out teaching him about proper respect of others and human decency. He is a monster, and they have to assume some liability.
Also, the father/family must be some kind of “somebody” in Aruba locally, for other witnesses to be intimidated. Would look for illicit business ties and other underground involvement. Very sinister vibes about the entire family, if you can call it that. He is a queeny little brat, so full of himself he does not know what is real. Something major lacking in his gene pool.
Wish the Hollaway’s could finally get some closure and justice. They have lost not only their beautiful daughter so full of life and promise, but also their financial and mental health. This is entirely devastating to the whole of everyone’s lives who loved Natalie. No punishment is enough. A new line of justice must be raised to meet this evil with full and swift force.
I for one, will NEVER EVER go to Aruba nor allow anyone I know or love to go there – TERRIBLE, and very lax justice system. Hope the entire place just gets engulfed by a massive tidal wave and Natalie is riding it, commanding it to swallow all the evil that lurks there.
Carl the Detective on February 6th, 2008 9:39 am
he wanted to take her to he HI to have sex and she didnt want to go back, this was a huge problem because he had already slipped something in her drink. he took her to the beach hoping to have sex or at least oral. either after or during, she had a seizure because she had so much to drink, her body was likely very run down due to a week of partying and not sleeping much, she probably didnt eat much all week. he panicked. he called his dad or a close friend for help. someone came with a boat and he carried her out and loaded her in the boat. he went home and someone dumped her in the ocean. there is no gang rape, there is no sex slave trading. i dont believe the kalpo brothers know anything, maybe about the drugs, but not much else. they would have flipped.
AMEN I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER> as Beth said it is enough- Enough to let her go. All these perverse thoughts make me wonder about the mental sanity of some of these folks.
Natalie was shaking. Sounds like overdose of GHB to me, I’ve seen it in my roomate. She shook, and passed out into a deep sleep, peed on her bed and acted like she was dead. But she was just in a deep sleep. I checked her breathing and pulse to make sure she was alive, then had my dog come in and start licking her until she was responsive. I’ll tell you I was freaking out when she started the shaking and then just collapsed, but I never thought she was dead because I CHECKED HER BREATHING and PULSE – Joran you freaking loser! U R the whore and the bi#ch. I hope you rot in prison
substitute raury for the other dude with the boat that left the island in a great hurry, and voila. Imho it was a gang rape gone wrong, and Joran ending up killing her. The part about her passing out and dying is another one of his lies.This makes them all guilty, but all have a lot to lose by not clamming up. Just various degrees of guilt…..
Reply to 183:
FBI tests show hair found on tape did not come from Holloway
The Associated Press
July 28, 2005
Strands of hair found in Aruba did not come from missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, an FBI spokeswoman said Thursday.
The hair, which was found stuck on duct tape on July 17, was subjected to genetic testing at the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., and the results showed the strands did not come from the 18-year-old who has been missing for two months, said spokeswoman Judy Orihuela.
“The results were negative,” Orihuela said. “It wasn’t Natalee’s hair.” —>>
A sample of the hair also was tested at a crime lab in the Netherlands, but the results have not been released. —>>
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050728/APN/507281153&cachetime=3&template=dateline
DNA on duct tape doesn’t match
Investigators drain Aruba pond in search for missing teen
Thursday, July 28, 2005; Posted: 6:19 p.m. EDT
PALM BEACH, Aruba (CNN) — DNA taken from strands of blond hair stuck to duct tape found on a beach in Aruba does not match the DNA of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, an FBI spokeswoman said Thursday.
Two tests proved negative, said Special Agent Judy Orihuela, who added the 18-year-old woman’s family has already been informed.
- http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/28/aruba.missing/index.html
Hmm, i didn’t realize the FBI had a hand in conspiring to cover-up evidence?
But since you’re the DNA expert…
Do you have a link to refute saying otherwise?
As for the arm bone, there are many people from South America make the dangerous journey in make shift components as boats to Aruba. Many ended up
drowning and eaten by sharks just like those Cuban refugees making the trip to Florida.
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SM: The question is the integrity of the “samples” given to the FBI to test (klaasend)
Hey, Joran, why don’t you just tell the truth for once and tell that you and your father disposed of this beautiful angel?
1906 ~
about that bridge purchase… couldn’t agree more!
This film shown with Joran riding around in the car ~ raised more questions ~ than provided answers… ~ my gut is telling me…it’s a bunch of bull~
~your summary may well be on track ~ we’re paying attention and I’m not convinced about his story…and am not buying into it ~
One of his comments in particular was that he told no one.. (the driver of the car that got him on film)… I don’t buy that either ~ he’s too smooth & too “schmaat” for that ~