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Protesting and boycotting is a personal choice. It always has been and is a sign of solidarity for Natalee and her family. Aruba … this is America where people have the right to protest anything they deem unfair and unjust. That would be you and how you have handled the Natalee Holloway investigation and how you have treated the family of a victim.
Here’s the worst kept secret in Aruba, that Aruba is vulnerable to tourism dependency. OK, its the second worst kept secret. The disappearance of Natalee Holloway is #1.
With Aruba’s continued refusal to provide “Justice for Natalee,” the question continues to be asked … why would anyone go to a Caribbean island like Aruba and spend their hard earned money when “if something bad happens” they will be provided no justice and be treated like a suspect?
At the same time he pointed out the vulnerability of the island by depending so much on the income from tourism. That became clear in 2006, when the growth of the gross national product (BNP) practically came to a standstill and the debt on the current accounts increased drastically after a drop in the number of visiting tourists.
Aruba is most certainly vulnerable to tourism and those that have traveled to tourism trade shows can confirm. Letting individuals and future vacation go’ers know that Natalee Holloway is still missing and no justice has been provided is a powerful tool in informing people.
- Boston Travel Trade Show
- New Orleans Travel Trade Show
- Miami Travel Trade Show
- Valley Forge, PA Trade Show
Tourism should never be considered a given by any destination. Tourism is cyclical; however, when one goes out of their way to bring negative attention upon themselves when in the 21st century people have options … that is tourism suicide.
Natalee Holloway Editorial; It’s not about the Politics, It’s about the Pressure
Aruba vulnerable by tourism dependency
Hasanali Mehran (left) of the Central Bank of Aruba and Harm Zebregs of the International Monetary Fund during the presentation of the report on the financial position of Aruba.
ORANJESTAD – The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expressed his satisfaction with the efforts of the government to stabilize the public finances. This appears from the report that was presented last Tuesday. The report was put together based on consultations with several institutions on the island. The report includes the reducing of the government debt and the changing of the tax system.
Presentation of the report took place in the building of the Central Bank of Aruba in the presence of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, Minister Nilo Swaen of Finance and Economic Affairs, and Governor of the Central Bank, Hasanali Mehran. The Dutchman Harm Zebregs led the IMF delegation.
Zebregs indicated that Aruba had experienced an impressive development in the past 20 years. The income per head of population has tripled in that period. At the same time he pointed out the vulnerability of the island by depending so much on the income from tourism. That became clear in 2006, when the growth of the gross national product (BNP) practically came to a standstill and the debt on the current accounts increased drastically after a drop in the number of visiting tourists.
If Aruba manages to achieve a balanced budget in 2009, the national debt can be reduced from 45 percent to under the 40 percent of the BNP in 2012. Zebregs predicted that the inflation that is estimated to be 6 percent this year, will drop to a little under the 4 percent next year. Minister Swaen is pleased with the conclusions of the IMF. He says that the IMF has indicated in his report that the short-term prospects are favourable and that there is a number of challenges to continue the path taken with consolidations of the public finances and the economic developments. Possible drawbacks from the outside can be set off with the observed stability.
Swaen says that the government is aware of the challenges and how important they are for a sustained development of Aruba. He hopes for a continuation of the ‘productive relation’ with the financial institution. Once again Swaen sees a confirmation of the financial-economic path that Aruba travels. That confirmation was already given in the report of Fitch Ratings in September of this year, when Aruba was granted a ‘stable assessment BBB+’ and in the praising words of State Secretary Ank Bijleveld about the financial-economic policy. (Amigoe, 12/5/07)
Posted December 6, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, boycott, Crime, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 89 comments |
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Hmmmmmmm. So Aruba thinks 2009 is going to be a good year for tourism. LOL.
Wanna bet?
JUSTICE FOR NATALIE OR BOYCOTT ARUBA !!!
PROTECT U.S. CITIZENS !
The Boycott roll’son!!!
JQK said it best:
“Don’t go to Aruba because if something bad happens to you, nothing will be done about it.”
Aruba will stall, spin, and even blame you or your family but they will not give you JUSTICE.
Zebregs indicated that Aruba had experienced an impressive development in the past 20 years. The income per head of population has tripled in that period.
At the same time he pointed out the vulnerability of the USA by depending so much on the OIL from foreign countries
#1 – Does Aruba have plans to just skip 2008, like it’s not going to happen?
By the way, those signs have been carefully stored and
are available for future use.
Someone the other day asked about travel shows.
One just occurred in Vegas. OK that was missed due to
lots of media focus on Natalee’s case.
Upcoming for those who asked:
NY in Feb.2008 and Boston in March
word out on RU URINE gets out at 11am…BOYCOTT news at justicefornatalee@gmail.com…Its really time to fight everyone…and I mean TALK THE TALK AND WALK THE WALK.
Thanks justice…email me OKay…we need to start now. Sweatshirts are free for those who go. We will supply the flyers and banners….STAND UP FOR NATALEE….
@ vicky
do you realy understand the word JUSTICE??
1. The day after Natalee disappears, Beth and Jug go to the police station and are told by Dennis Jacobs that he needs to shave and eat his Frosted Flakes.
2. Dennis Jacobs leaves Beth sitting for hours before she can give him a statement about her missing daughter. When she gets in to see him, she sees a statement, in Dutch, by JVDS that is torn up.
3. Beth’s statement is translated into Dutch and she is asked to sign it only to find out that it contains statements she didn’t make.
4. Dave arrives in Aruba, goes to several police stations where they no nothing about a missing tourist. He gets to the Noord station and is asked by Dennis Jacobs “How much money do you have?”
5. Chief Van der Straaten (friend of Paulus) tells a Dutch reporter that he believes Natalee is dead and that he “knows more about this case than you [the reporter] do”.
6. Chief Van der Straaten is removed from the case on Friday. Saturday Deputy Chief Dompig reports one of the boys confessed and they may know where the body is. Monday, Chief Van der Straaten (after reportedly talking to someone in the Netherlands) is back on the case and the confession becomes “disinformation”. Never happened. Uh huh.
7. The police know that J2K lied about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn within hours of their telling the story, but they remain free for 9 days, while Joran finishes high school. Joran is finally arrested the day of his graduation.
8. Two more days pass before any search warrants for the homes or cars of J2K are issued and executed. A judge at the home of J2K changes the search warrant to exclude all areas of the VDS property except Joran’s separate sleeping room.
9. Gerald Dompig tells the U.S. media he thinks the boys are guilty as hell. A day or two later, he tells Aruban reporters he thinks Beth is involved in an insurance scam.
10. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber tells the Aruban people in June of 2005, “if something bad happened to this girl, it will hurt you”.
Most here know all this and a lot more. But not everyone reading here does. So I’m posting some of the more blatant incidents that tell smart monkeys there was a coverup and the family was spit on (figuratively speaking) by authorities in Aruba.
MSNBC reports at 11:45 am that Joran van der Sloot is still in custody.
Are their any mainstream media or US cable news channels reporting conflicting info?
75% off all tourists to Aruba are from USA.
It would behoove Aruba to find Natalee Holloway.
How much Aloe would Aruba have to produce and sell to survive, if 50% of those 75% tourists, find another place to vacation?
Aruba, better bump up your production of Aloe.
I recall that there used to be a song titled, “It’s only just begun.”
Aruba, the eyes of the world are on you.
Deny justice for Natalee at your own peril.
It’s hard to imagine that even YOU, Aruba, can be as inept and incompetent as you have demonstrated yourself to be over the last 2.5 years.
Heading to your own destruction … doesn’t bother me one little bit. Give us justice.
I have been following this throughout the years. That is a shame that it has been years. It is really unbelieveable to me how these people think that they can get away with this. As far a Beth is concerned, I highly commend her for holding her composure as well as she has. I am afraid that I would be in jail myself right now, because someone would have had a foot up their A**. In the end, they will get theirs. There is a higher power controlling this situation. I am helping you spread the word. I would never go to Aruba and I am very cautious in any place but the USA anymore.
Confused. I thought Tim Miller / TES was to arrive in Aruba this week. It looks like Tim Miller is to speak on the Danna Pretzer show December 6th. Did they put it off…again?
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SM: No, the ship is on it’s way. Tim Miller will fly to the ship when it arrives in Aruban waters. (klaasend)
SM…thank you for the clarification. I was worried.
Per Jossy, there has been no official word on Joran’s detention or release yet.
There was a lot of outrage expressed on Gretawire when K2 were released.
Many people then decided to join the boycott.
Can you imagine if Aruba is foolish enough to release Joran?
Hey, Aruba, I hope you won’t try to push the
“Natalee overdosed/boys panicked” crap again.
If you think the American public will buy that, you are truly
STUPID STUPID STUPID.
I like the sign and would put one in front of my business if i had one. I am in Yazoo City MS. I will pay for the sighn and frt getting it here if I can find one. Someone out there , please help me get one of these sighns. Damn Aruba!!
Ayfit, contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Do you know Jamie at BFN? The signs were made in a shop where her sister works. (or maybe owns)
They are beautiful signs and hold up well.
Scared Monkeys..if Aruba releases Joran how about one your famous cartoons…a map of Aruba with a big screw pointing to the center of miserable place
(klaasend)
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SM: Thanks for the idea, I’ll see what I can come up with
Scared Monkeys, sorry typing errors…If Aruba releases Joran how about one of your famous cartoons….a map of Aruba with a big screw pointing to the center of that miserable place
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SM: Like this? http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg
You can put lipstick on a t-biscuit and try and
call it whatever you’d like, Aruba.
At the end of the day…
it still is “De Olde Sporter!”
(please deposit another quarter, and try your
call again, this is a recording.)
-Justice for Natalee Ann
#17: the judge will decide friday morning local time about the detention of Joran. Keep your fingers crossed.
#19- Im sure that can be arranged…email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com…has anyone heard from Patti??? Im just a little worried…hmmmm
Aruba is dependent on tourism and what do they do?
DENY JUSTICE TO TOURIST NATALEE, AN AMERICAN CITIZEN
DUMB DUMB DUMB
I will always boycott regardless of the outcome. Aruba is not a place to be letting your guard down.
Don’t let your teens or your friends go there. We now know their will be no justice for the Dutch elite.
Just read post 2290 on AL-COM NATALEE HOLLOWAY FORUM BY ‘SNEEZY’. Thought it was quite interesing if he/she has the facts correct. Take a look if you haven’t read it.
Scared Monkeys…Yeah…Thanks…liked it alot…humor with a meaning behind it sometimes gives you a lift….you guys are great!!!!!!
I still don’t get it…. Why would a judge approve for the 2kalpoes and Joran to be re-arrested due to new evidence, also per procecutor, then turn around and release them saying there is no new evidence….
so they can arrest someone without looking at what new evidence is being presented?????
How dare Hans Mos do this. I totally think he is a looser and one of the corrupted members of the Arubian society that lives across the pond in the Netherlands where drugs and open prostitution is totally encouraged…just like Aruba…
Hey Vicki…here’s more on the diseases of Aruba
Schistosomiasis-snail fever-parasitic disease caused by species of the flatworm. Transmitted by the mosquitoes..it causes debiliation, liver and intestinal damage
Escherichia coli diarrhea-bacteria and mycotic disease. Severe bloody diarrhea
Filariasis- transmitted by mosquitoes-if infected can affect arms, legs, vulva and the breasts. The migration of this through the cornea can cause blindness.
Leishmaniasis-another parasitic disease. Transmitted from animals but can be spread between humans. If bitten by sand flies, fever, damage to the spleen, and anaemia.
Toxoplasmosis-a single celled parasite. Contanimation from good and water. Can cause damage to the brain, eyes and other organs.
Aruba has a landfill with open garbage…So anyone thinking about going to Aruba…check with your local shrink first!
I would like to see the screw somewhere else if you know what I mean !!! As for urin, Well it’s aruba so expect the worse !!!
#31..correction on Toxoplasmosis…Contamination from food and water
I could not help but notice how some people seem to worry about the U.S.A. and its dependance on foreign oil, they should remember we helped decide the fate of 2 world wars without a dependancy on foreign oil, and if we had to, we could again. We have oil, maybe it is our plan to burn up everyone else’s oil, then we still have ours. Our wells in Texas only operate 2 or 3 days a month. We will and can make do, can everyone else? And if the world continues its ” we don’t like you Americans”, we could close the borders and have nothing come in or nothing go out. Would certainly solve any problems of tourists getting killed in America, and if we could just get Natalee back maybe it is a good idea. I have watched the jealous nature of the rest of the world toward us, maybe if we all can’t get along then we should just quit traveling anywhere. We have a large nuclear arsenal, many guns, and many bullets, so the hell with those who don’t want to be our friends. We should have nuked the countries who aided the 9/11 terriosts rather than try to give them a better government. So if Aruba wants to stick their finger up at us, let’s chop it off. And if those hoodlums get freed, chop them down too. Justice, not too much to ask, but when you keep getting jacked around, all hell can break loose. A lot of people outside the US view us as fat, lazy, stupid, and weak-kneed. Truth is, we can be a very violent group when aroused. Read,,, and somebody in Aruba wake up…stop supporting the narrow minority there.
#25..Vicki..Haven’t heard from Patti..maybe she’s in Aruba getting ready to burn Joran at the stake…he would certainly deserve it…feed him to the cannibals…
In addition to all the other problems on Aruba …
it’s supposed to be among the most expensive places in the Caribbean.
If Joran is released, there’s hell fire and total damnation of Aruba…you haven’t seen anything yet!
Our American’s are not going to support your island…you may look to the South Americans, the Chinese and the Mexicans. We really don’t care because we’re not coming…Chavez will soon be in control and you’ll wish for another life.
One more thing…I think some of our media bleeds for the injustice in Natalee’s disappearance…what has been done to her parents…the extreme cruelty, over and over again…they did nothing wrong…proved two innocent black victims were innocent…why are you pissed off because you couldn’t blame them. The family did nothing wrong…and to abuse them again and again and torture even more….then as Hans says…blame the family and the media..the family had nothing to do with your inability to solve the case…Hans I’m sorry I liked you, but saying that makes you suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK..let’s face it drug lords are in control..Bye Hans…sleep well on your pillow..you put up a good front…nice money in your bank acoount…and a special thank you for blaming Natalee’s family…Paybacks are HELL!
I am only responding to Rammstein out of courtesy for the time you took to translate Joran’s book and the explanation about your Queen. However I fail to see the difference even if it is carte blanche. Tell me she doesn’t know what is going on in Aruba. She couldn’t have a heart that could be broken like Beth’s is; your Queen never had a daughter. But then again that was the tin man that wanted a heart and we all know that hearts can be broken. So if Aruba had a brain they would have the courage to bring this farce to an end. It’s better for Beth. It’s better for Dave and it is better for Aruba and it’s future. It’s better to send Natalee “Home”; Trust me.
Read all the police statements and Joran’s book again. They tell you what, when, where, who and how. Also IMHO the Kalpoes are being bullied into sticking with Joran’s beach story. They haven’t a clue after they went down that deserted road and left off Joran and Natalee for another vehicle. The driver had a VCB Beach Security uniform. Deepak added that part to the story about the HI but that person in black was real.
Granted there is a one hell of a mess on Aruba. Drugs, money laundering, vice, robbery, kidnappings, rape, murder, assaults, porn- not all of the above apply to Natalee’s case. I doubt very much if these three had murder in mind and how they were going to get away with it. They only drugged and had sex with unconscious tourists. They were only peeping toms at the Holiday Inn. IMHO there was only one person who would have wanted to hurt Natalee. She is in the police statements but not in Joran’s book.
I believe all this time I’ve been looking in all the wrong places.
Considering Joran may not be held in detention after tomorrow:
To finally have hope again for justice for Natalee and then to have hope dashed, within the confines of the corrupt government of Aruba, shows yet again, the Aruban system has absolutely no ability to have compassion for a victim of a violent crime on their island. People who visit Aruba on their holiday are taking their lives for granted. The facts of this “investigation” show that this is true and virtually anyone who visits Aruba risks death at the hands of one of their “upstanding” citizens!
Joran Van der Sloot is a classic narcissistic sociopath. This type of personality cannot help themselves and will brag about a crime they “got away with”. Getting away with murder would be something that a narcissist and a sociopath would be very proud of, for the rest of their life. Remember the OJ Simpson tell-all book that was thwarted by the Goldman family? Too bad that double jeopardy applied to OJ. OJ’s is the same mind-set Joran will outwardly exhibit to the public in a few years, if not sooner.
There is no statute of limitations on pre-mediated murder. If we are fortunate enough to ever find Natalee’s remains, the story of how she met her untimely death could be unraveled and prove she was murdered in the first degree.
For the doubters, a body well wrapped in plastic, placed into a container and buried at sea could still have enough cellular material to tell many a forensic tale, even after this length of time. Are we to believe that Natalee chose to consume a date rape drug recreationally, if this is what forensics tells us? Let’s hope that the people who buried Natalee, buried her at sea after wrapping her body in plastic and placing it in a container, which would have been logical.
For all of you revelers who are celebrating that Joran will soon be released, just remember: None of you can control Joran’s mouth or his ability to wield a pen. He will talk, he will brag and he will tell just enough of the truth one day to someone who will become his worst nightmare. This will lead to a re-arrest, of that I have no doubt. The ‘constructor’s of lies’ may celebrate Joran’s release – and then suffer shock when their friend is convicted of murder in the future. Ten years of waiting for this to play out is ‘but a blink’ in terms of a lifetime.
The Monkey’s on this site have all of the patience in the world and will never, EVER, let the world forget what Joran and the justice system in Aruba did to Natalee Holloway and her family.
LOL You got that right, VV.
God help me…
…but if an Aruban or Dutch person
was getting their asses kicked on
American soil, post Natalee Holloway
debacle… (guilty gor free yet again)
I would be INCLINED to go over
to the criminal doing it and ask
him if I could fetch him a Snapple, or
a Snickers Bar or something…
perhaps some Mentos or a Tic-Tac?
If they cut these pieces of $hite
loose. God help them, because they
are absolutely going to need
it. -j4n
mutha-f Aruba, & Holland if you follow suit
with these human pieces of toxic waste, mutha-f
you too, mi compadres. YOU WILL NEVER HEAR THE
END OF IT!!! (and that is de truth)
Justice for Natalee.
http://tinyurl.com/2n3bsz
This is a repeat from the last article.. Only 4 of us posted, and I don’t think anyone saw it.
Is there anyone out there that believes Natalee could be in the landfill? Maybe someone who reads and does not post believes so, well anyway, if you are interested read on. If not then just breeze on by. I know I’m always a little off the beaten path.
I think they will eventually find Natalee wrapped in the same plastic that Carpe analyzed so extensively. I know, I know, the timing is off, and the sequencing is confusing. I haven’t put it all together, I just know it all comes together somehow.1906 said once, that the disposal of Natalee’s body involved the least possible number of people, in the most convenient manner, with the highest possibility of non-discovery (not exactly his words, and not at one time, but rather my interpretation of his meaning in time-lapse.) Does that make any sense?
If Hans is serious about solving this case and bringing those responsible to justice (I’m having doubts) and if the water search fails, he will have to consider other areas to search. I’m wondering when he will see the landfill as a probable resting place for Natalee. I can see it so clearly, and to me all evidence points that way. Too much credibility is given to the 3 perps. To me no evidence of sophistication or intelligence has been demonstrated by any of the three, and their I.Qs. added together would not be sufficient to power the body of a small reptile.
A search of the landfill would take time and money, but needs to be done. Dave Holloway , and volunteers are the only ones I know of who have searched there. I don’t know if Junior is still around, but he needs to be relocated (if possible in this world) and re interviewed.
If the three stooges disposed of Natalee on their own, then she is in the landfill. If Paulus helped in time, then the level of intrigue goes up exponentially, and all bets are off on the landfill. I think he got involved, but too late and could not locate Natalee’s body in the landfill.
Hans will see all of the above as he goes over the documents that still exist. Will the Dutch spend the money to search the landfill? I hope so. Is Natalee there? Yes, most definitely. I’m Davie Crockett sure of it.
I have not posted all details of why I believe Natalee is in the landfill, and yes Junior’s story weighs in heavily; but I will try to do so when I have a little more time.
Jerry
I have booked my winter trip to FLORIDA, there wont be a 6th trip to aruba in my forcast.
STUPIDITY COST MONEY AND ARUBA WON`T GET ANY OF MINE!!
Might as well let the SPORTER out now, why prolong the Dog and Pony show any longer MOS?
delicious sporter is this fricking woman 4real.
Maybe someone needs to think about cost control, it costs a heck of lot of money to bring down a ship and carry out the sea search. It would also cost plenty to dig up the langfill. It will not cost much to kidnap any or all of J2K and/or pappa Sloot, take them to a neutral site, like Colombia and get the answers..really don’t have to kill anyone. Just think about the movie,,,Man on Fire….Talk about sweat,,,we could see some sweat.
Greta just did a piece on it..and yours truly that has appeared on tv more times than viagara ads the past 2 weeks to say this is nothing was back on.. JoeT is in Aruba.was in court. How does he get in the court room and isn’t an Aruban lawyer? He’s blaming the prosecutor. Well, if it wasn’t new and the prosecutor handed it to the judge. Then why would a judge decide to hold them over? I thought Arlene said it was strong suspicious evidence that holds someone over. The only way they could be held over was new evidence.
I remember all too well JoeT ranting on about his lovely client who was found guilty of dismembering her husband, putting him a suitcase and throwing him in the water. No evidence she did anything. For something that’s nothing sure is a lot of high price lawyers involved and lots of appearing on tv to repeat the mantra over and over. No evidence that Natalee died a violet death. Lovely, no evidence she was ever at the beach either JoeT.
Jerry,
They need to search the landfill, but the material burried 2.5 years ago is surely way deep by now. It seems to me that Deepak (at least, if not the others) thought there was some possibility that Natalee would be found in a search early on. That seems more likely to be on land than at sea to me.
However, they started a number of things they never finished, including searching the landfill and draining the pond. They don’t really want closure on any of these sites! They should search those abandoned mines as well. Also, I wish someone had the clout to demand that they disclose what they were doing in those Chicago videos.
Jerry, I’m sure many here would be interested in your furhter thoughts about the landfill.
God has prepared a special place for rapists and murderers. It’s called Aruba. Let them feed on each other.
Jerry
Aruba did not allow the search of the landfill to proceed in the beginning of all this and I seriously doubt they would allow another search there. No amount of money would enable anybody to get the necessary permits. I do remember, though, that Tim Miller took GPS readings of the area that Natalee’s father was searching in – and I have always believed that they were getting too close for comfort. To me, it was the easiest place for the boys to dump her.
cudos to # 34 Now if only more would think like you
Greta tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG8jRUQaiiY
Pat,
Natalee’s place in the landfill is tagged with literally thousands of markers. They are unmistakable, and as easy to read as a road sign.
Jerry
Wow, all the americans forgetting about what justice means. justice for the innocent until proven guilty. How would you feel if it were your son wrongfully accused? If you are watching Greta- you need to re-examine your principles. How wrong was she regarding the duke lacrosse case? The investigators have been working feverishly for 2 years to solve this disappearance/mystery. Justice for natalee, justice for the accused, justice for all. god bless america
PS- so much ignorance and hatred- some of you are humiliating yourselves.
The judge better come up with something to hold Urine in that jail. This whole thing keeps making me sick. Is there any character in existence on Aruba? I haven’t seen any in the court system so far.
I hope and pray that Tim Miller finds something in that water. Time to get some evidence that no one can deny. Time to bring Natalee home. God bless Beth and Dave.
J4N
molly in houston
@34 viet viet
Its that attitude that makes US citizens unpopular abroad.
(if they don’t listen, we are going to make them listen with our guns)
so what do you want? war with Holland?
btw. stop the whole ww1 & ww2 thing, cause you didn’t fight it. Your just posting from behind your safe desk. stop disrespecting your own veterans
GIJOE- are you stuck on stupid…we are venting…get real…I personally would have hired someone to go to holland and grab URINE as he was stumbling out of a bar one ight and take him for a ride…this would have ben over a long time ago. Wouldnt even have to hurt him..he is such a punk..hed spill his guts in a minute if he thought he was gonna be hurt…I suggested it to Robin, but they dont believe in vigilantes…well if it was my child, Idbelieve in anything that got me answers. Why is it only the freakin dutch can jerk Beth and Dave around, but if we want to jerk URINE around we cant do it “cause its wrong”..pleease…
10061096 (#41) … Glad that you’re back. It would be interesting to know who this person is to whom you allude ….
Jerry in Ohio (#45) … So far, attention has focused on the water search. It seems clear that the family themselves believe that this is the most likely explanation. At least we know that the search is going to happen.
Not because the Dutch, or Aruba, feel inclined to do their job; we know that isn’t the case. But because American volunteers, backed with American donations and the American sense of compassion and decency, finally are in a position to do what could have been done a year or so ago … had Michael Dompig, then chief of police, signed the letter to the FBI. That’s all that was needed.
If there will be any answers, it seems, they will come from Americans. Not Arubans, not the Dutch.
Let’s all remember this when we get more lectures about the “Dutch system” and what passes, in their eyes, for law on Aruba. It means NOTHING.
Natalee is everyone’s daughter now. And we will not abandon our fight. And we will not forgive.
It’s Friday morning, and today we’re supposed to find out whether Joran van der Scum stays in prison for 60 more days or gets a ticket back to the Netherlands.
If Joran is released, I’m sure there will be a pro forma appeal. I’m also sure that it will be dismissed, given what happened to the Kalpoes.
We were all initially excited when news of the re-arrests came out of the blue. Natalee’s parents said that they hadn’t been tipped off. None of us knew why or what, or how. The only thing of which I was certain (and still am) is that the timing of the arrests was related to the water search, finally getting underway after delays caused by Aruba itself.
Whether the actions were a cynical manipulation of public opinion, a desperate play to keep things going until results of the water search were known, or a genuine move forward in the case remains to be seen.
I didn’t see any advantage to Aruba or the Dutch in putting on a dog-and-pony show … it would be more sensible, in that case, for them to continue doing nothing.
But if what we’re told … that the Kalpoes were hardly interviewed at all … is true, then nothing seems to make sense. Unless they have something more on Joran, and we’ll find that out today.
If Joran is released, then there are two upcoming events of importance. One is the decision by the prosecutor to decide by Dec. 31 whether to prosecute anyone in Natalee’s disappearance. And if Joran is let out, it’s hard for me to think that there will be prosecutions.
The other event? The water search. On that, our hopes for answers are riding. If remains of Natalee are found in the ocean, nothing on Earth can save Aruba if it fails to take action.
But if nothing is found in the water … and it has been said that this will be the last such search … then I think nothing more will happen.
This isn’t what I want, but this is how I see the future. If this is the case, then I think we have to decide what more we can do, and in what new venues we can pursue action. In other words, I don’t think blogging in and of itself will achieve much more … I raised the idea of a nonprofit corporation dedicated to a boycott of Aruba.
Whether that idea is worthwhile, I don’t know. I don’t even know if it’s possible. But we will have to try some new tactics.
We will never abandon Natalee’s family. We will never forget. And we will never forgive.
#57 Dolf,
Are U.S. citizens unpopular abroad? Quite frankly, I don’t see it. Have you ever sat down at a table with an American and had a meal, and then later said, “I don’t like that guy (or gal)? You know what you are saying is not credible. We are the most loved and blessed nation in the world.
Jerry
Breaking news !!! The vanderscumm family is heavily burdened with this case !!!
Holland has little to zero influence on Aruba.
We are expected to pay up and shut up.
Jerry, I too believe there is a possibility Natalee is in the landfill. I have alway thought that was possible. If everyone remembers, the landfill was being searched by Dave Holloway and others. They wanted to get down at least 18 feet and then bring in some type of equipment that detected methane gas (when a body decomposes it lets off methane gas). They reached 18 feet. The equipment was to be in the following day. Before the equipment arrived, someone filled it back in. I think they were close to Natalee or close to perhaps her belongings.
I really don’t think she is in the water. I think she is either in the landfill, buried with another body, cremated or sold.
I don’t believe justice will be served either…well…not legally.
GI Joe:
Innocent until proven guilty is a valid concept in a land where honest police work is done. Those who have followed this closely for 2.5 years have seen deception, bungling, cover-up, lies by the suspects, admission of crimes by the suspects, and abuse of Natalee’s family. Read Beth’s book. It cronicles an amazing story of the list above in the face of a parent who only wants to know the truth and get her daughter back. I believe your comments are honest, but I must conclude you are uninformed…
Jerry,
I don’t know what tags or markers you are talking about. Could you please elaborate?
@65, Pat it is very well possible that the police of Aruba is perhaps not the most capable of the world and made mistakes. Or is a bit corrupt even (but please don’t forget about Mark Fuhrman in the OJ case).
However, the judges who have to assess this case are not going to find someone guilty without enough evidence. So if you like it or not, the concept of being innocent until proven guilty still stands.
Not that I think that Joran didn’t have anything to do with the dissapearance of Natalee but if you say “read Beth’s book”, you may also say “read Joran’s book”. There are 2 sides to every story.
And I’m really interested which crimes were admitted…
No No Hamster Dayum:
There are six sides to every story…
…and five him belong to Joran!
…
imo
That boy better keep his dental plan
current! If Nat was my flesh and blood…
I’d knock his teeth out faster than you could
say “Johnny Fairplay.” I might have to
snag me chair to be able to reach that giant
a$$ Lurch lookin’ whack job… but believe
me I’d find a way.
That awful, awful, AWFUL, little punk b&%tch,
P.O.S., serial lying, incubus. Curses on him!
-j4n
Amsterdam 020:
Before a judge they are certainly innocent until proven guilty, but the court of public opinion is very different.
To name a few crimes:
Joran accurately described Natalee’s underware and public area and detailed (some of) what he did with her as she went in and out of conciousness. Another one said they all had sex with her. They lied to police about dropping Natalee off at the hotel the very first night and then changed their story – not an admission, just a lie. Their statements are full of them.
62# LIBBY… I have thought of two locations when I found out Natalee had dissappeared…
The first that came to my mind was she was burried in the cemetary…just a feeling only…
But when I heard the shed had been broken into and a cage was missing…that added up that they probably put Natalee in the cage and it went out to sea.
I am thinking that the murders wanted to remove her far far from their island that it would be too stressful for them to bury her in a local cemetary or on the garbage heap…where she might be found…
So I think she was taken far out to sea and dumped or she could have even been taken to another island and burried there, but not on Aruba…adrenelin rush would have been too much for them to bare while the search was on to find her body on their island…
So my guess is they took her off the island.
@waterboy (Jerry) on December 7th, 2007 10:11 am
#57 Dolf,
Are U.S. citizens unpopular abroad? Quite frankly, I don’t see it. Have you ever sat down at a table with an American and had a meal, and then later said, “I don’t like that guy (or gal)? You know what you are saying is not credible. We are the most loved and blessed nation in the world.
Jerry
Yes, thanksgiving, he made a killerturkey.
But I hate to bring it, but during the Bush admin. the love for the US went down..even lower then his rating at home and blessed..guess you are blessed if you have enough money..otherwise you’re screwed.
sidenote: IMO the thing Joran did admit is enough to have him asskicked. (if he did that to my daughter I would want to see blood)
Pat,
I know they lied. And although it was not smart, as a suspect you are not obliged to tell the truth (as a witness under oath you are).
And having sex with someone is not a crime. Of course it is not very decent to do when the other is very drunk and possible on drugs but then again, Joran also had a lot of drinks.
If a crime (pursuant to Aruban law) was committed and the statement of the suspect was deemed credible, he would definitely have been brought before court.
the ‘court of public opinion’ is indeed very different and surely, if Natalee was my ‘flesh and blood’ carpe noctum, I would react the same.
But imo it is a good thing that judges rule based on the law and evidence and not based on the public opinion or emotions.
You could be right Sharon. I just thought it was odd that they filled the landfill back in when they found out the equipment was coming. Then again, it is Aruba. As for the cage thing, I think that was just talk or a way to lead the investigators away from where she really is…like the cemetary, landfill etc. They wanted everyone to think she was in the ocean.
Few here are running “emotions”…
It’s been 2.5 years. A long time has passed.
When they close
the case, they’re
gonna get popped. (imo)
Who are you guys kidding here? Aruba is much safer than the US could ever be.
You can walk into any random mall there and have your brains blown out by someone who just got fired at Mickey D’s over $17. You can send your kids off to any random uni and there will be an idiot who will slaughter them. You can fall victim to any random idiot who decides to play sniper on the street. Geez, you guys let your own people die and rot out on the streets for 5 days before taking any kind of action after a disaster such as Katrina. They can station an entire army abroad in one day but sending a couple of busses to New Orleans was so incredibly difficult.
Aruba is unsafe? Cracking up here … coming from people living a country where every idiot and his mom has a gun, it sounds so ridiculous.
Just speaking for myself, I’ve heard a bellyful over the last two and a half years about the Dutch liar … er, sorry, I mean LEGAL … system.
I’d just as soon not hear any more of the garbage.
The “law” on Aruba is whatever they want it to be, and nobody can doubt that. So, enough BS!
Kayleigh,
You can find the “nut” factor anywhere can’t you? I’ve got a mother-in-law who is a “nut”, and I have to pick up the pieces every time she goes “nuts” on my wife.
Jerry
VICKI!
You missed me…
That’s sweet!
I’m back…
I went on a spending spree.
Between my two and the grand baby…
.
I bought a shiny, new, red corvette
in celebration of my divorce…
And my daughter and I spit on Willis!
.
I’m back….
(Smile)
Vicki:
Do we need more signs made?
Patti
When they snap there, they snap pretty bad, now don’t they, Jerry? The nutcases there usually take an awful amount of innocent people with them, and that’s not even news, it’s simply culture. As unsafe as you all deem Aruba, I’ve yet to experience the first random mall or high school slaughtering there. I’d take Aruba over the US anytime when it comes to safety.
Maybe he did it, (I personally think he did) maybe he didn’t. If he didn’t do it, then it would be horrible to have such a young boy end up in jail over nothing. Now I know Americans don’t fret over a couple of people innocent in jail or on the chair, but here we do like to know that when you put someone away for life, they actually committed a crime. Like the American woman who recently was released after spending 14 years in prison for the murder of her daughter which she didn’t do.
I’m always amazed to hear Americans – who live in such a dangerous country and who have such a messed up legal system where people end up in jail and on death row based on the amount of money they have, the color of their skin or simply if your face doesn’t appeal to the jurt, bitch about how it works in another country.
Kayleigh:
It’s not about how they run their system…
It is the Judiciary, itself, that is corrupt…
Let it be reviewed, this decision, by THIS judge,
and see what the FAIR decision would be.
THIS judge has already proven his bias
in this case and that should be considered
in review of this decision…
Then, this case needs to be removed from Aruba, with it’s 97,000 embarrassed Indians and
given to a fair and just court of law.
To stalk someone from the U.S. in Aruba is a
Federal Crime if it leads to their death.
This Mo-Jo has back-fired…
for they have admitted her death.
Now the U. S. Federal Government could step in,
in my opinion;
and reserve the right to investigate the case,
itself.
They could also prosecute the case…
OHHHHHHHH!
OOOOOOOPs!
Did I say that?!?!
Patti,
That’s the pot calling the kettle black, I think it’s gonna be very hard to find a non-corrupt judicial system in the US as well. The American legal system is known for being corrupt, is known for its wrongful convictions that lead up to the death pentaly, is known all over the world for sacrificing what’s morally right for politically expedient.
It’s ludicrous for Americans to have the nerve to blame another country for doing the same thing and try and harm the people that live there through a boycot is pretty much as backwards as it gets.
________
SM: “The American legal system is known for being corrupt”
Watch some more CNN sound bites … welcome to the hate America crowd.
There is a huge difference between being corrupt and imperfect. You should learn the difference.
R
CNN? I thought CNN was America’s propoganda channel, at least it was when the war in Iraq started.
So America is imperfect and the rest of the world is corrupt for doing the same thing? There you have one of the reasons why the ‘hate America crowd’ is becoming so big so rapidly. The sheer ignorance and arrogance you’re displaying speaks volumes.
Fox is pro Bush channel.
CNN only was because if they weren’t they would be called traiters by the Bushies.
The 20th Century became rather safe for a woman to be unescorted. Perhaps we need to rethink the fact that our world is no longer a safe place for the unescorted. Natalie’s disappearance begs the question…What was a “nice” girl doing which invited such actions that caused her to disappear? Consider the crimes perpetrated every day on people. Studies have shown that the overwhelming majority of victims were where they shouldn’t've been.
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