RSSNatalee Holloway Investigation: Beth and Dave Holloway in Conversation with Aruban OM For Hours
Aruba, you usually don’t get a second chance to make a first impression. You certainly don’t get a third.
Aruba … smear victims families and say good bye to tourism. You best get your act in gear and your defense attorneys. This is how you treat people who come to your island. We have said it for years … what is good for the three suspects is terrible for Aruba. You have much more to lose than a criminal case.
Aruba, this is the face of Aruban Tourism
Parents Holloway in conversation with OM Aruba for hours, Amigoe
ORANJESTAD – The parents of the disappeared American Natalee Holloway, Beth Reynolds (Twitty) and Dave Holloway have talked for hours with justice as well as with the police. They won’t comment yet on the contents of the conversations. The brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were sent home on that same day.
The two fellow-suspects of Joran van der Sloot – all three are still being suspected of voluntary manslaughter on Natalee Holloway – were released one at a time from custody; Satish at 15:30 from the police station in Shaba and Deepak at 16:30 from the one in Noord.
The Public Prosecutor has meanwhile indicated that they will appeal the decision of the examining magistrate, who expressed his objection on extending the brothers’ custody. All three the boys, inclusive Van der Sloot, are still being considered suspects, but the objections are not enough to maintain the custody of the two brothers Kalpoe. Ariean de Bie, Van der Sloot’s lawyer thinks that his client will also be released soon. He doesn’t think that there is more material than the 12.5 pages of evidence that the lawyers received last week. “The incredible self-assurance of the investigators in Aruba about the evidence they have in the Holloway-case, surprises me”, said De Bie after the Kalpoe’s were sent home. It won’t be difficult for the lawyer to defend the case when it comes before the judge. “It will be a great effort though, because the dossier is big.”
De Bie is of the opinion that the OM has still not succeeded in the investigation. Especially the American side is according to him, totally underexposed. “Natalee Holloway has a very active mother and an arms merchant as stepfather that apparently has contacts in the White House. The FBI did some interrogations in the US, but not thoroughly enough. There are many questions to be asked on this.”
Posted December 4, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Beth Holloway, Crime, Dave Holloway, Deepak Kalpoe, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, WTF | 161 comments |
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It’s amazing at how many times Aruba has taken a swipe at Natalee’s family instead of addressing the real problem: 3 thugs from Aruba (One Crappy Little Island) that raped and killed Natalee.
>>>Especially the American side is according to him, totally underexposed. “Natalee Holloway has a very active mother and an arms merchant as stepfather that apparently has contacts in the White House. The FBI did some interrogations in the US, but not thoroughly enough. There are many questions to be asked on this.”>>>>>
Think about THIS Aruba. The Crime happened in Aruba! Why would the FBI interrogate in the USA when YOU couldn’t even do a competent interrogation in Aruba? I suppose you also want them to do interrogations in the UK, Africa and Australia.
What absolute fools. Your slandering of Natalee and her Family tell all about your “investigative” techniques.
Aruba is an unsafe vacation spot. They have diseases, mosquitoes and murdering raping thugs running around loose.
Our government should issue a travel advisory to possible US tourists that are thinking about going to Aruba. Aruba has shown total lack of regard for US tourists. US tourists are not safe in Aruba and more so, Aruba will not bring any justice for a US citizen that is harmed in Aruba.
Time to bring out the big ones. We need to devise a plan to let everyone know the story of Natalee Holloway and the pure terrorism that her family has had to endure during this whole case.
This is unlike any case ever, and I mean ever. We need to make people aware and hold Aruba responsible for the botched and corrupted case.
This account calls the parents’ talk with the police “conversations.” Other accounts have called them “interrogations.”
Either way, I’m sure that Beth and Dave had nothing to hide and were forthcoming … unlike the scum that run Aruba and prey on tourists.
Be aware, Aruba, that if you let Joran out of jail today you will have “loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword,” as our most sacred national ‘hymn’ goes.
The grapes of wrath will be trodden, and they will overflow your cesspool of an island and sweep you away. Even the drug dealers and human traffickers will sneer at your name.
And the usual nonsense about blaming the family, the Americans, etc., seems to be in evidence.
Pray tell, Aruba, WHO did Natalee leave Carlos ‘n’ Charlies with? Her PARENTS? Nope….
Try to have a little decency, if you understand the concept. There is something called truth, though obviously you aren’t aware of it.
Your time for smears is OVER.
Okay who is the arms merchant with ties to the White House?
Looks like someone got to the prosecutor. Didn’t more than one judge have to sign for them to be re-arrested? Something is rotten….and I think its called aruba.
The United States Should BOYCOTT this filthy island.Spend your winter vacations elsewhere!
This whole thing is unbelievable. This case is now widely known and publicized in the Netherlands and their credibility is also seriously at stake. Why arrest these freaks if they have nothing new and cannot make their case against them with what they have. Let them turn it all over to the FBI and let someone who knows how to question hard boiled, muderous punks, have at them for a few days, and there would soon be some results.
Their insulting behavior toward Beth and Dave is just another nail in their coffin, imo part of a plan to wear them down. I hope it has done the opposite, their ire is recharged, and they don’t give up
If these people in Aruba and the Netherlands think this is the way to end the Boycott, they are just as stupid as they are disengenuous. If Hans Mos is an honorable man he will resign if they are not brought to trial, and I hope he is reading this post.
Time for some big full page ads in the national press BOYCOTT ARUBA TILL IT SINKS!
What an absolute a$$hole this De Bie must be. Arms merchant, that is a joke. Where does he come up with this junk? There are NO arms merchants, just a group of dirty, corrupt people in power in Aruba who do not want the truth to come out. Americans and anyone else in the world should take note,,,,avoid,,AVOID Aruba. It is a dangerous place with people who hate tourists, but want their money…Turn the money to OFF. They may never prosecute the guilty in this case, because they are guilty as well. Bust the island anyway you can. Do not buy their products. I no longer buy anything Dutch and neither do my friends. It may take some time to break them, but we have the time. Boycott….
Wow, Aruba. How incredibly stupid you are.
I think you outdid yourself this time!
Jerking the Holloway family around yet one more time.
SM is right: J2K ARE the face of your tourism!
Throw all the money you want into hotels or marketing.
It won’t matter. Aruba has become INfamous:
Natalee Holloway killed on Aruba
Aruba let perps get away with it (If you are dumb enough to free Joran)
People who never dreamed of boycotting Aruba have switched sides. Bank on it.
I am beginning to think this whole Mos movement was more like a bowel movement. These idiots thought they could act like they were going to solve the case so maybe it would bring an end to the drop in tourism. It only makes things worse for them. Instead of ending the mess they have merely prolonged it. Our resolve is greater than ever. Their tourism will never come back.
Greta, Greta, Greta, What island are you on??? Leaning towards believing the pervert Joran’s story….
Tell me Greta which version do you believe?
You have the inside story on Joran how he constantly had outbursts/anger issues…how he
was seeing a shrink because of his uncontrolled emotions… and you tend to think he is innocent…the last one seen with Natalee who said he sexually touched her as she was coming in and out of conciousness….
All of the attorneys on Greta’s show last night were bashinig Aruba and were very upset…and then Greta slides in her defense comment about Joran…
Maybe its time you took a vacation to Aruba Greta where every day is paradise…don’t forget to take your rose color glasses with you…
And please keep your comments about Joran to yourself instead of sharing them on Fox news since you can never back up “why” you tend to think he is innocent.
I knew they were blowing smoke up our as*. They have been doing it since day one. They had no intention of doing anything since day one other than covering the crimes against Natalee. They keep thinking it will just go away…we will give up. Boy are they wrong!
I say it is on now! We need to start making posters and putting them everywhere we can think. Maybe even make thousands and drop them from the Sears Tower in Chicago…as well as other sky scrapers. All Americans need to know just exactly what Aruba is like.
Lets sink them!!
Why would Greta defend Joran with her vote of innocence when she knows first hand what statements he gave during his interrogation…
and Greta knows how much the Holloways have suffered at the hands of the Arubian non-justice system…it is quite obvious for anyone to see this…why isn’t Greta focusing on the injustices toward the Holloways instead…
poor Joran… it makes me sick that she is so blind sided to the truth…
We need to find out how we can help. If Beth, Dave and JQK have any ideas, I hope they will contact SM.
Also Viet Vet, maybe we can devise a list of products that are made by the Dutch and have a list posted somewhere for people to see.
Or we can do a mass email campaign.
The Charade has to stop, NOW.
We need to press the USA to issue a travel advisory to Aruba.
I think Hans Mos just wanted his moment of fame…. Listening to JQK, Hans had no new evidence at all.
How dare him play with the Holloways emotions like he did…
I rank him up there (rather down there) with Dompig and Jacobs…
Nothing has changed…they brought in a very groomed well versed man by the name of Hans to run the dog and pony show this go around.
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS!!!
NEW SLOGAN FOR TSHIRTS
‘LIERUBA-ONE CRAPPY ISLAND’
RAPISTS
MURDERERS
DRUG DEALERS
KIDNAPPERS
[INSERT PICTURE OF NATALEE]
THIS COULD BE YOU AND IT WOULD BE SWEPT UNDER
THE RUG
BOYCOTT THIS EVIL PLACE AND LIVE!
Just got back from the MALL and I was stopped literally every 3 minutes an engaged in conversation about the stupidity of these moronsover there. Alot of ppl had forgotten but now, so many were angry and said they would never go there. NEVER…they felt the idiots running that EVIL VILE ISLAND were making fun of us and the family..as if we[the tourists]need to go there. Some got quite LOUD and I was very vocal, if you can imagine that. I was just about shouting to BOYCOTT that VOLCANIC ASHE…so many knew Natalees story and was waiting for JUSTICE.
Made my day…Oh yeah, On BFN, ROBIN, NATALEES step mom, said that JULIA RenHO was a friend of the family and really cared…and that M1P6 did also….so everyone on that EVIL place lies and lies pathetically…..I believe SATAN lives there and is doing well,but not for long….
One thing that we definitely CAN do is keep the ‘boycott Aruba’ demonstrations rolling along.
Vicki is in charge of them now; if anyone doesn’t know the e-mail address to be on the ‘information list’ I’m sure she’ll be willing to post it here.
Face it: the media only want to milk the case when and as they can. They don’t care if there is justice or not … but watch them jump in and take credit if anything is done. Just more talking heads spouting BS, with an eye to ratings.
The tourism industry, the hotel industry, the casino industry couldn’t care less if there is justice. They want to rake in money by selling tickets to the ‘Caribbean Paradise’ … and if you don’t make it home? Hey, get your family to go out and look; not MY problem, Mister!
And obviously the Netherlands Antilles never gave a damn about Amy Bradley, Joel Gove, or Natalee Holloway.
So as far as I’m concerned … I don’t give a damn about them and their whining. Boycott until they bleed. Let dengue spread to every house in Aruba. Let them do what they want … no justice for Natalee, no tourism OR HELP for Aruba.
Boycott Aruba, totally. It’s only common sense.
BREAKING NEWS…Jossy just said that Mos has appealed the idiot SMIDS decision and they are in session right now….if they know what we know they will lock up these lying filthy phyco killers and be done with this and pray TEs finds Natale so she can come home to rest…or they will sink and sink fast…Did everyone see Beths face???this is so disgusting….
Meanwhile, I want to post something here on another topic. I hope I can keep dry eyes while doing it, but I doubt it.
I imagine that we all know the “From The New World” symphony of Antonin Dvorak. The second movement, the largo, includes an incredibly beautiful melody.
It’s said that the origin of this tune was a black spiritual, ‘Goin’ Home.’ This has been disputed; some music scholars say that Dvorak wrote the tune, and THEN it was adapted into a spiritual.
I don’t know, and frankly don’t care. What I DO know is that it is a haunting melody … and, if the water search does result in the finding of Natalee’s remains, I wish there would be a way for someone to sing it in tribute. Perhaps it could be done at the funeral?
I did some research this morning, and found these lyrics; they may or may not be ‘original.’ But I think they are beautiful, and are appropriate (though not the part about the mother and father):
Goin’ Home, music by Antonin Dvorak, words by William Arms Fisher
Goin’ home, goin’ home,
I’m a-goin’ home,
Quiet like some still day,
I’m jes’ goin’ home.
It’s not far, jes’ close by,
Through an open door,
Work all done, care laid by,
Gwine to fear no more.
Mother’s there ‘spectin’ me,
Father’s waitin’ too,
Lot’s o’ folk gathered there,
All the friends I knew.
Home, home, I’m goin’ home.
Nothin’ lost, all’s gain.
No more stumblin’ on the way,
No more longin’ for the day,
Gwine to roam no more.
Mornin’ star lights the way,
Res’less dreams all done, all done,
Shadow’s gone, break o’ day,
Real life’s jes’ begun.
Dere’s no break, ain’t no end,
Jes’ a-livin’ on,
Wide awake with a smile,
Goin’ on and on.
Goin’ home, goin’ home,
I’m jes goin’ home,
It’s not far, Jes’ close by,
Through an open door,
I’m jes’ goin home.
A friend had the TV on last night, and I heard a boys’ choir singing this. I thought of Natalee and the water search, and my eyes teared over immediately. They’re doing so again … a bit embarrassing, considering that I’m typing this in a public library.
But the tune is so beautiful … well, enough.
Remember, too, it’s easy to boycott … but we also have to spread the word to everyone we can.
Listening again to JQK interview with Greta…
JQK said that Hans Mos could not (would not) even answer the basic questions that the Holloways & JQK had for him on Saturday….
and then for Hans to blame the Holloways and the media for not getting this case solved….is par for the course in Aruba…..
I don’t believe or trust anyone from Aruba or the Netherlands in regard to honestly trying to solve Natalee’s murder….
But I do believe that vengeance is the Lords and they will all get what they deserve, regardless of their mafia/drug connections…
God is bigger and they will all pay…all of them will…
The boycotting has worked which is why Aruba brought this story back to the attention of the US. They “think” we are dumber than they are, but we are way more intelligent and see right through this smoke screen. They are dumb enough to think that there tourism numbers won’t be affected again by this. Face it…there are many many more beautiful places than Aruba, well we do know they are much more safer.
They might have thought this was payback for Beth since she speaks out about traveling to this corrupt island…
but it only backfired on them…this only reinforces the stance to Boycott Aruba..
They are not dealing with just Beth Holloway, but thousands and thousands of Americans who watch the nightly news and they continued to see the “nightmare story of injustices to Natalee and her family”….
Americans don’t forget Aruba, we only become smarter…. your tourism will dry up…your drug war on your island will devour you…Your island will turn on itself….there will be no rest for the wicked….
Here’s another version of the “Goin’ Home” hymn, and perhaps this one would be better suited:
The hymn is “Going Home”, set to the music of Dvorak’s 9th Symphony, third movement.
Going home, going home,
I’m just going home.
Quiet-like, slip away-
I’ll be going home.
It’s not far, just close by;
Jesus is the Door;
Work all done, laid aside,
Fear and grief no more.
Friends are there, waiting now.
He is waiting, too.
See His smile! See His hand!
He will lead me through.
Morning Star lights the way;
Restless dream all done;
Shadows gone, break of day,
Life has just begun.
Every tear wiped away,
Pain and sickness gone;
Wide awake there with Him!
Peace goes on and on!
Going home, going home,
I’ll be going home.
See the Light! See the Sun!
I’m just going home.
Damn, now the tears are rolling down my face.
I’ll probably be thrown out of the library soon.
@vicky – NEW SLOGAN FOR TSHIRTS
‘LIERUBA-ONE CRAPPY ISLAND’…..
What about some nice slogans for our country…
I’m afraid my shirt would be to small
This is a poster I posted some time back. I’m going to start posting it again everywhere.
Anyone have any ideas what should be added or deleted from the poster before I get started? Thanks!
WARNING
For your own SAFETY, do NOT vacation in ARUBA (a Dutch possession). Aruba is part of the Dutch Antilles (ABC Islands), which consists of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.
Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old honor student from Alabama vanished without a trace while vacationing in Aruba on May 30, 2005. The last three persons known to have been with her drove her away from a local nightclub, Carlos n Charlie’s. She has not been seen or heard from since. The above stated three persons were arrested but have been set free. Numerous other suspects have also been arrested but they too have been set free.
There has been considerable victim and family bashing by all the local Aruba authorities.
It is the general consensus that there has been a MAJOR COVER UP into the disappearance of Miss Holloway. Evidence that was uncovered has disappeared. All of the suspects have been proven to be liars. Many suspects have left Aruba for haven in Holland. The major suspect is the Godson of the former Chief of Police and the son of an influential lawyer. Numerous other associates of the three suspects, the influential lawyer and the former Chief of Police are believed to have played a part in the crimes against Ms. Holloway’s and / or her disappearance. They have not been questioned and have fled the Island.
Since Natalee’s disappeared, there have been NUMEROUS unsolved brutal murders and TOURIST THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACKED. The attacks that were reported by females were those vacationing from the United States and the police have NOT attempted to locate and prosecute the offenders.
Although Aruba has been advertised as one happy and safe island, these events have proven that the ads have been nothing but propaganda from the Ministry of Tourism.
If you travel to Aruba, remember you are not on US soil and you are at the mercy of the laws of the territory you visit.
I am sad to report that all the bad publicity to the Caribbean islands hardly effects them and they know it.
Crime is the worst it has ever been on the islands but tourists will keep going with a shrug of the shoulders saying “crime is everywhere”
Aruba is not my favorite island, never was.
Boycotting Holland products will not effect Aruba in any way. Aruba is in conflict with the Netherland Antilles and becoming a road block to reach their own seperation from Holland because they set a very bad example. The saying “you can not fight city hall” is what we are dealing with here. Natalee dead or alive please surface..Amen
And Libby, don’t forget … the search for Natalee’s remains, from first to last, has been conducted almost exclusively by AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS. OUR people, OUR time, OUR money.
And OUR devotion.
The Dutch and Arubans won’t even do their duty.
Their slogan: “We’ll take your money … but if something happens, that’s your problem.”
Here’s a link that says it has the second movement of Dvorak’s “From the New World.”
You shouldn’t hear the words in this … but for God’s sake, if you don’t know the music, listen to it.
http://www.pleasecomeflying.com/2007/10/goin-home-antonin-dvorak-william-arms.html
WTF?!?!? Damn Aruba, the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world isle, and all it’s inhabitants to HELL!! Damn Holland, too!!
Payback, via BOYCOTT, is gonna be hell!!
It’s a tragic, to say the least, that it’s all over
“Vengence is mine”, sayeth the Lord
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
OK, this is my LAST comment on the music. The info in my post #27 says it’s the third movement.
That’s not true: the largo is the second movement.
I don’t think that “From the New World” is Dvorak’s symphony number 9, either, but who cares?
Please listen to the link if you don’t know the piece, and indicate if you think it would be appropriate for some kind of service.
If we do mount a demonstration at the Dutch embassy, perhaps it could be sung there?
Libby,
One small point:
Aruba is Dutch Caribbean but not part of the Dutch Antilles. It used to be. Not anymore.
I think Aruba has been falsely trying to market itself by lumping itself in with the Antilles.
Just FYI.
Since our government has taken no interest in this case and are not helping it is in the hands of us people who really do care! I’ve been trying to come up with a good way to spread the word to as many people as possible and I’ve got one idea that might help. We can use free sites that reach many people to spread the word, for instance Craigslist (and any other classified or travel site you might be aware of), Craigslist is read by millions of americans, if many people post ads in the travel section and even the general info section then I think we can reach many people who are not current on the case.
Spread the word
Boycott aruba and the netherlands!
Justice for Natalee!
Justice, Aruba is popularly referred to as part of the Netherlands Antilles. It, Bonaire, and Curacao are labeled as the “ABC islands.”
Like everything else about that cursed region, it seems that A is never A … it is B, C, D or .08A, depending on what day of the week it is, who is speaking and who finds it convenient to say what.
I think that you’re right technically … but the same depravity and cultural abyss includes them all.
Nothing will move forward without a body. And they’re hoping no one finds it. That way, the whole thing will eventually be forgetten. They hope.
Is the Judge Smids?
Oh that explains it all.
I agree with #15. We must put pressure on our Government to issue a travel alert for Aruba. I am told that a FAX carries more weight than an email. Letters even better. Does anyone have contact information for whatever department that would issue such an alert? It is time to go for broke big time. Enough crap from Aruba. What the heck, if our President has time to pardon a turkey then maybe he has time to make one phone call. What the heck do we pay thos Washington people for anyway?
Let’s boycot the US
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SM: Fine, we don’t need any Dutch van der Sloot lovers in the US. (klaasend)
How much is a full paid ad in the US Today? Let’s start a fund!
I meant to say, How much is a full-page ad in the USA Today? We could start a fund!
Because you are dutch Klaasend?
I give a shit about Holland
____________________
SM: No, I’m not Dutch. You appear to be posting from the Netherlands. You could be any nationality, I really don’t care. If you want to boycott the US it’s fine by me (klaasend).
You appear to be posting from the Netherlands…..
Geography wasn’t you’re favorite
Thanks for your help J4N #36 and Richard #32.
Good idea Carl #43. I’m thinking we would have no difficulty what so ever in obtaining the money for the ad.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
Found this while I was surfing. Maybe we can ask them politely why there is not a travel advisory to Aruba. The have warnings about spring break in Mexico.
Top right hand corner. Contact us or Feedback
I’m in
posted by Dana in the forum: (regarding appeal, etc.)
The case in the High Court is now over with. The judges will hand down their ruling tomorrow. The defense lawyers also appealed today to the judges of the High Court, that in case the Kalpoes are to be rearrested, the initial restrictions not be imposed on them again (no telephone, newspaper, visits, etc.). Let’s wait and see what the judges will decide tomorrow.
We also believe that tomorrow Joran will appear before a judge of instruction to determine if there is new evidence to continue to hold him in preventive arrest, or to let him go.
Regards
Jossy
hmmmmmmmm….. Greta seems to think Joran is telling the truth about Natalee after he had his interview with her earlier this year…
BUT … read the following of what Geraldo said about Joran/sociopath
Geraldo Rivera provided his analysis of the latest developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case. Prime suspect Joran Van Der Sloot has given a series of interviews proclaiming his total innocence. “The lie that he has fastened on,” Rivera pronounced, “is that he took her on the beach but didn’t have sex because he didn’t have a condom, then left her on the there. It’s at odds with the story he told earlier, but as he tells this story he becomes more confident and more glib. I believe there is a pathological aspect to this man.” The Factor concurred that Van Der Sloot seems psychologically unbalanced. “I can’t figure out why he wants do these interviews because he comes off as a sociopath. If he makes one slip-up he’s done. It looks to me like he’s a danger junkie – he likes this cat-and-mouse game, it’s exciting to him.”
Greta…What are you THINKING?????
Miss-underestimated: per your link but this goes into more detail.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm
I am done with Greta. I would rather watch mold grow on cheese.
Here is a start more to come:
http://www.buyusa.gov/netherlands/en/
dave on december4th: change your name pal, we already have the daves wrapped up here.i want to see the boycott that someone like you could arrange without screwing it up !
you can’t hurt the U.S., but we sure pounded aruba! they now have enough bad publicity to last them a lifetime, which is exactly how long we will be here. still pouring it on.
Achilles on December 4th, 2007 11:11 am
The United States Should BOYCOTT this filthy island.Spend your winter vacations elsewhere!
…
Right Achilles, well we’ve been doing that for
roughly two years! I was thinking something more
along the lines of to start bombing the f’ng oxen
turds out of it.
Aruba… it’s like the new Al-Qaeda! Think of Bin Laden with a “Fuzzy Navel” entered in a Dutty Wine contest… yes, now you’re getting it.
Heyyy Aruba, seriously, it is time for you
to get de Pimp Slap, Sporter!
We’ve had > E-NUFF. Your DIME played out,
a$$holes.
You’ve hurt Natalee’s family YET AGAIN,
and that really makes me mad. Let us NEVER FORGET
that the crime victim here is (and always has been)
> Natalee Ann Holloway
They (Nat’s family) have done nothing but search valiantly for their daughter for the past two and half years. In an awful country that thinks letting two people who say they know more of what happened to her, but will not tell right now…
okay?
PEOPLE, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.
&
You wonder now why a respectable bird will now
not so much as do a “fly over” to “drop a dootskie” on the island???
Wow man , go figger…
karma is a mother,
huh?. -j4n
GRETARUBA ?
Sharon Chicago: Greta was conned by this con artist. She was suckered like an unsuspecting tourist on the beach, in a bar, by a hotel pool. He has fooled his parents, especially his mother, into believing that he doesn’t drink or gamble too much. He will kill his dog and hit his brother but he would never hurt a girl. Girls stay the night but nothing happens. Anita, I want to quote Deepak here: “enough of the b.s. already”.
I don’t blame the Dutch or the Netherlands for this. Anyone know which companies buy Aruba’s aloe?
I’m all for starting a boycott of Dutch products;
Here is my contribution:
Here is a whole list to start with;
http://businesswithnetherlands.com/
We have more;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips
This one is important; go to the bottom of the page: “Transnational Issues”
http://www.worldlanguage.com/Countries/NetherlandsHolland.htm
Buy domestic gasoline products: Most oil in Aruba is imported from Venezuela
http://www.valero.com/AboutUs/Refineries/
http://www.homeclick.com/web/catalog/product_detail.aspx?pid=214637
http://www.hollandtulips.com.ph/index.php?cPath=49_45
Boycott Holland Cheese and Tulips
http://www.westlandkaasexport.com/?gclid=CMLvwv6_j5ACFQspFQodAFJlsw
Write to these companies and tell them why we do not buy Dutch products;
http://www.shopzilla.com/8C–Gifts_Flowers_Food_-_cat_id–16000000__keyword–holland%20cheese__lp–10__sfsk–1
Under Transnational Issues I have to really think hard as to where the drugs are coming from;
(NOT)
Thanks 1906
Hey Aruba you don’t need U.S. money….
Over 1.5 million tourists per year visit Aruba, with 75% of those from the United States. The sizes of the agriculture and manufacturing industries remain minimal.
Don’t forget the redlight district
You appear to be posting from the Netherlands…..
Geography wasn’t you’re favorite.
And yours wasn’t English.
#8 Good idea about boycotting Dutch goods. Besides heineken and ecstasy, what are their exports? Could we get a list going? Thanks!
Thanks all for listing the Dutch goods. I did not read far enough down when I posted before.
Beth and Dave we are with you more than ever and we will not give up. Natalee means so much to us all.
Just thinking out loud…
In reading Deepak’s statement again he said he drove around C and C’s a couple rounds, there were MBHS students and he saw a VCB team near Dunkin Donuts and then drove down past “Choose a Name”. That would mean he drove around West Street and Worf Street a few times crossed over L G Smith Blvd, went down to Haven Street and turned right; stopped at “Choose a Name” where “Pitbull” worked and continued down Haven Street until the next intersection which would be Wilhelmina Street. That would be the opposite direction from the Holiday Inn. Right past the Escort Service in the Layex Building that provides Incall and Outcall Services. Interesting that the Chamber of Commerce and a Police Station are right down the Street from the Layex Building.
Being that was the route Deepak took, instead of taking Natalee in the other direction towards her hotel would in my opinion constitute kidnapping. I find it kind of hard for Natalee to say; no prob, I want to drive around with you guys for a while and then 10 minutes later Joran says that Natalee fell asleep. Later Joran says that they got out of the car and walked towards the beach. I find that statement hard to believe also. They never went to the beach.
Dropping Natalee off at the escort service for some high paying ‘john” would seem more like it. Dennis Jacobs to Beth, “what do we need your daughter for, we have our own puntas”; seemed a rather strange statement for a police officer to a victim’s mother. Maybe when Dave showed Dennis Jacobs Natalee’s picture and DJ asked how much money do you have; maybe he did not know Dave at that moment was Natalee’s father and thought he was a “john” looking for a blonde companion.
Some times the truth is said in jest and in lies. Just my opinion.
Email the US State Department to ask what they are doing to ensure Natalee’s disappearance is resolved at the link below (I hope the links works):
http://contact-us.state.gov/cgi-bin/state.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_sid=yQOwpoSi
Also, email US Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama at the link below:
http://sessions.senate.gov/contact.htm
and US Senator Richard Shelby, also from Alabama, at the link below:
http://shelby.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorShelby.EmailSenatorShelby
and the Whitehouse:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
10061906 on December 4th, 2007 5:06 pm
• A boycot of Dutch goods? Have you boycotted California as well for not convicting OJ?!
• Aruba is an autonomous Island so boycotting the NL’s is a bit like boycotting Alabama or New York State for California not convicting OJ!!!???!!!
http://trampledunderfoot.tripod.com/aruba/index.album/aruba?i=0&s=1
I think I will go to my local library tomorrow and donate Dave’s book and Beth’s book to the library so that our public library will have these two books available for all to read.
Aruba do you like that idea?
We have many many public librarys in the USA, including grammar, high school and college libraries.
People will see these books on the shelves and will want to get the true story on Natalee’s disapearance/murder.
Aruba do you like this idea?
Boycott Stop and Shops..
They have taken over every grocery store in New England.
If nothing else it will bring attention to the case.
It is a start.
http://www.stopandshop.com/
I think it’s time to send over the Terminator!
#69 – Good idea to donate the books. I’ve already donated the book that I bought by Dave Holloway to the public library. That is a good way to get out the true word on Aruba.
http://www.arubaaloe.com/login.cfm
There’s a distribution center or factory or something in Indianapolis, along with an address and e-mail in this link.
EMAIL
customerservice@arubaaloe.com
TOLL FREE
1.800.95ARUBA
Monday-Friday — 9am – 5pm EST
FAX
317.826.6382
MAIL
Aruba Aloe of North America
PO BOX 501908
Indianapolis IN 46250
Now if you go here:
http://gocaribbean.about.com/od/topfiveattractions/gr/ArubaAloeStore.htm
you see the name Posner (excerpt below). I won’t condemn him as being related somehow to the Chicago Outfit without knowing if he is, but the name is familiar to many. Maybe no relation?
“Museum Tour
The humble aloe plant has an ambitious mission, as stated by Louis A. Posner, president of Aruba Aloe: “To make Aruba Aloe for Aruba, what Heineken is for The Netherlands and Coca Cola is for the United States of America.” “
What help can you expect from the US government when they turn down medical plans for children in poverty and sit on their fat a*==e* and get free medical insurance themselves? I don’t really think the US governments cares what any citizen thinks. The government is for the government not the citizens.
PS To hell with Aruba.
all you negative gretta posters. Beth is okay with gretta. i felt the way you guys do until beth correctd me. truat me on that.
Aloe – is a succulent plant whose sticky secretions when cut from the main plant works wonders on burns, i.e. sunburns, stove burns, superficial type burns and cuts. It soothes the skin and immediately takes away any dry or burning sensation. It does not need to be mixed with any other type of lotion. It works well by itself. I have used it many times and always have a plant nearby. The aloe plant makes a nice, easy to care for houseplant anywhere, but can be grown outdoors in climates that never experience a hard freeze. It’s cheap, easy to use right from the plants.
So, why would anyone ever consider buying a product just because it has aloe in it – especially a product from Aruba? Imagine how over-priced that stuff must be? Plenty of aloe plants available right here in the good ole USA – get yourself one – forget the lotions and creams that claim to have a tiny amount in it when you can use it full strength from the plant.
@73 – whatever it is, it is “HIDDEN in PLAIN VIEW”.
What is the REAL export of that island?
The gamblers were “up in ARMS”
If they find the girl they will SEE the SH*T”
Thanks for the links guys/gals!~ Michelle over at ArubaBoycott has had a list of Dutch products over there too so check em out!
I’ve been shunning these products since the day Michelle posted them and guess what?
Didn’t hurt me one bit!
There are plenty other top quality products from reputable people who value doing business with American’s!~
EURobert;
I fail to see where your analogy has anything to do with Natalee and her family’s blight to find out what happened to and where their child is now.
As for OJ: remember revenge is mine says the Lord. It may have taken awhile but OJ is getting his now. We just want to help to make sure the three get their just rewards.
And where has your voice been for two and one half years? Did you just find SM?
____________________________
SM: He’s been posting on the front page of SM either under the name of Robert or EURobert for a long time. He has been very helpful. Since he is in the Netherlands, he probably doesn’t like people boycotting the NL, but he’s one of the good guys IMO (klaasend)
I don’t know how sound this idea is … but there have been a number of people and corporations that have donated huge sums, as well as time and equipment, towards the search for Natalee.
Suppose that a nonprofit corporation dedicated to the boycott of Aruba were to be formed? And that we would solicit contributions from various pooh-bahs and other well-to-do types, explaining exactly WHY we believe that a boycott of Aruba is both morally justified and, indeed, necessary.
Who knows how this would work? One thing is certain: if this idea is to be pursued, it will have to be in the aftermath of the court’s decision. If the court releases Joran, that will certainly revive interest in the case.
We’ll see what happens tomorrow.
Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.
-quote-
Let dengue spread to every house in Aruba. Richard
WTF?!?!? Damn Aruba, the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world isle, and all it’s inhabitants to HELL!! Susan
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A bit over the top don’t you think?
I agree … let’s not take it out on EURobert, who has been here for some time and has done some translating, posting of articles, etc.
It’s entirely possible for someone to deplore what’s happened in this case and still oppose a boycott of Aruba. I support a boycott 150%, and think it’s the only sane response and the only tool that we have to use … but not everyone agrees.
My own view is that concentrating boycott efforts on Aruba is going to be more effective than trying to involve the Netherlands too. A protest at the Dutch embassy might be useful, but in this effort, as in war, concentrating on main targets is necessary, I think.
This one’s for Libby …
I’ve been thinking about what kind of poster would make a striking impact, with few words.
What about this:
In the top left would be a large portrait of Natalee.
Below it would be two lines of text:
She went to Aruba.
Will you?
I think that Natalee’s picture is so well known by now that the poster would speak for itself.
Just an idea.
79 klaasend. If you say so but I still fail to see his analogy. I could give a sh less about OJ. This blog I thought was for Natalee.
Tourist have a big problem in Aruba! If you are killed,raped,kidnapped or just come up missing ,please remember that you will not get any help from the police or the Aruba government!If Beth and Dave had not come to Aruba with friends and family in tow for months the police would have put the Natalee file in the file cabinet and told the family on the phone that we are working on it and we will be in touch!!As we say in the Islands”soon come” we find the killer.”SOON COME NEVER COMES” They never were going to bring joran and the k2 bros to justice because the main perp was connected to the chief of police who was heading up the search for Natalee! Thus we play this shell game with arrest after arrest to make it look as we are doing something. Something is rotten in Denmark seems to hit close to home here!These boys will pay for this for the rest of there lives and one day the truth will come out. Remember joran said “one day I will tell what really happened”. I guess his next book will be “If I did it” this is how we got away with it.Thanks dad we owe you one.Joran!
Good job all you posters sharing the websites and addresses that can be used in the upcoming boycott. Keep the addresses and mail addresses coming.
In June of 2006 I wrote to various politicians about Natalee. The only one to respond was Bill Clinton. His answer was “Thank you for writing. I appreciate your frustration about the Natalee Holloway case. There is nothing more frightening for a parent than a missing child.
I will keep your thoughts in mind as solutions to this dilemma are sought. Thank you for speaking out. Sincerely, Bill Clinton”
On pages 152 and 153 in Beth’s book she describes how Bill Clinton (from her home state of Arkansas) got involved in Natalee’s case because agents on Aruba told him there was a poster of the Green Bay Packers on Joran’s wall. Clinton got in touch with Brett Favre (from Dave’s state of Mississippi)and asked if he would meet with Joran face-to-face to see if he could get the truth from him. This was set up but Favre had to renege because of concerns from his management.
My point is it doesn’t matter what your political views are, we have to go with someone who may actually do something to help. If anyone cares to write, here is how I addressed the letter: President Bill Clinton, 55 W. 125th St, 14th Floor, New York NY 10027-4526.
My prayers are with Natalee and her family daily.
Things look bad right now for this case, and there is no doubt that there are corrupt people in high positions in Aruba, but there are corrupt people everywhere.
I tend to doubt that the majority of Aruban people are corrupt or want the guilty to go free.
Wouldn’t boycotting Aruba punish the innocent as well as the guilty?
Maybe it would be better to focus attention on educating everyone on the dangers of traveling abroad as Beth has done.
#88-
They are not innocent any longer. They have sat on their asses and did nothing to protest the corruption. So in my opinion if they are not going to be part of the solution then they are part of the problem. If they get hungry enough they will take the perps out and beat the truth out of them. If you think they don’t know the truth then you are full of it. I am sure that some of these innocent people know the truth and have not said a word.
Travellers Advisory—Aruba Health Overview
They are outbreaks of Dengue Fever on Aruba transmitted by a mosquito….40 to 50% of all cases are fatal if not treated properly. If your bitten do not count on being treated properly in Aruba.
81. Reaver: People are angry right now. Let them vent.
I was watching “E” tonight and Natalee’s beautiful face came on the screen. “E” will air “The 20 Most Shocking Unsolved Crimes” on Sunday evening. I hope they get the facts straight.
Carl,
I like your idea of the full page ad. Our government doesn’t seem to care but I’m sure the people do and if we reach enough of them then who knows? Perhaps no tourists for Aruba might actually bring Justice For Natalee.
http://tinyurl.com/yqqsoc
http://tinyurl.com/2c5ag8
http://tinyurl.com/23ydq8
http://tinyurl.com/yrsh57
-J4N
@Richard on December 4th, 2007 2:23 pm
And Libby, don’t forget … the search for Natalee’s remains, from first to last, has been conducted almost exclusively by AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS. OUR people, OUR time, OUR money.
And OUR devotion.
The Dutch and Arubans won’t even do their duty.
Their slogan: “We’ll take your money … but if something happens, that’s your problem.”
Dutch Marines, coastguard, airforce and navy helped search for miss. Holloway so did a lot of Aruban citizens.
and calling for a boycott against the third foreign investor (Holland) doesn’t really sound that smart looking at the state of the US economy
#81 Reaver – Damning the SAVAGES of Aruba is hardly going OVER THE TOP!! Botching the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway is BEYOND belief!! DAMN THEM ALL!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TILL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
WARNING…This is what will happen if you get Dengue disease on LIERUBA and seek medical care, or just get hurt and need help.
There is ONE HOSPITAL there, and it is compared to a small US hospital. IF you have GREAT insurance you will get a private roon, BETTER food[compared to what I dont know}and a TV.
IF you have OK INSURANCE there will be 2-3 ppl in a room and you will all have toshare a bathroom, and you get OKAY food...If you have NO INSURANCE, you will be put in a HALLWAY with 15-20 ppl. This is on the GOVERNMENT TRAVEL SITE....ARE YOU KIDDING ME...
Here is the number for the CENTER OF DISEASES for outside the US...1-877-394-8747..call them and tell them about the DENQUE disease running rampid on SATANS ISLAND...
HERE is the email to the US CONSULATE in CURACAO...acscuracao@state.gov....Im coming with more soon....
Here is the DUTCH CONSULATES email...www.netherlands-embassy.org and phone# in WASHINGTON, DC- 202-244-5300.
CALL 202-647-4000 and ask forJackie RESOL[sp] she in in charge of the travel advisory for LIERUBA…
Richard, I like your Idea, and I know who we can contact first for the non proft organization…I dont mind being in charge or being One of the ppl in charge…Good job all…WE the PEOPLE can make a difference….
#83 Richard….I like it. That would make a great poster.
Anyone know when Texas Equusearch will be arriving in Aruba? I thought they would be there by now.
Those who oppose the boycott are, I think, honor bound to suggest alternatives. What other steps can we take, what else CAN we do, to demonstrate (no pun intended) that we will not abide the cover-up in Aruba?
Doing nothing is not an option.
Not going to Aruba as a personal decision is fine, but not enough (I think). The boycott may never achieve justice for Natalee if Aruba closes the case and prosecutes nobody … but it’s the strongest tool that we have.
Remember, American tourism constitutes 80% of Aruba’s economy. And we’ve seen the extent of the concern for Americans, not only in Aruba but in the entire Netherlands Antilles (Amy Bradley in Aruba/Curacao, Joel Gove in Saba).
Beth’s original call was to consider boycotting all of the Netherlands Antilles. I endorse the view 150%.
As for the “poor, suffering Arubans,” it’s their government that is sustaining the cover-up, or at least elements of their government. Americans owe Aruba NOTHING. We have NO obligation to risk our lives there or to sit by and watch the powers that be protect their own at our expense.
Boycott Aruba. It’s only common sense.
EURobert, will you please post again the mailing address for the Dutch prime minister? You did this last year, but I don’t have access to my records at this time.
Methinks that what Aruba announces today about Joran could stimulate a lot of letter writing.
There’s obviously no point at all in writing to Oduber, and frankly I don’t want to waste the postage. But letters to the Dutch premier might have some effect. I know that the replies I got to the two letters I wrote were balanced.
Thank you.
Reaver (81) … If dengue does spread to every house in Aruba, perhaps the people might start to question their government. Hitherto, the most blatant example of injustice and corruption has done nothing to provoke anger.
For an island that relies 80% on American tourism, this indifference to injustice is itself contemptible. I guess Arubans figure that Americans are an inexhaustible source of income for them, regardless of what happens?
‘Tain’t so, brother, as we’re determined to prove.
And if Aruba’s tourist economy collapses … brother, YOU ASKED FOR IT!
EUrobert on December 4th, 2007 7:12 pm
10061906 on December 4th, 2007 5:06 pm
“A boycot of Dutch goods? Have you boycotted California as well for not convicting OJ?!”
“Aruba is an autonomous Island so boycotting the NL’s is a bit like boycotting Alabama or New York State for California not convicting OJ!!!???!!!”
“I agree … let’s not take it out on EURobert, who has been here for some time and has done some translating, posting of articles, etc.”
First of all Richard, I’m not the one that made what in my opinion was a stupid comparison. Comparing a murder trial of his peers that was botched up by the prosecution and set free a murderer versus a corrupt cover up in the disappearance of a female, teenage, blonde, American tourist on Aruba by corrupt judges WHO I MIGHT ADD ARE APPOINTED FOR LIFE BY THE QUEEN “B” of THE NETHERLANDS (And so is the Governor for six years).
Richard; you know where I stand with the protest; you know where the protest pictures that were posted came from; you know where the Dana show was recorded. I have no ax to grind except when a stupid comment is made about my posting. I have been in touch with Art Wood, Beth, Dave, Michelle and the FBI; especially for that meeting that was held in March of last year.
So you know where I am coming from, so if a boycott of Dutch goods is required to bring more attention to and bring an end this complete farce on Aruba, to convict the guilty and bring Natalee home; then so be it. The fact that it may impact EURobert that is his problem for living there.
I’ve just started by ripping out my tulip bulbs and trashing them and I am not finished except for here. Perhaps I am just too radical for everyone here. Good bye.
#88
Yes, it is unfortunate if everyday Arubans are affected.
But the blame goes on the perps and Aruban officials.
The perps should come clean; the officials should deliver justice. Then there would be no need for a boycott.
Don’t forget, Joran stated in his book that he didn’t even care about the boycott.
The boycott is a call to justice. It is NOT revenge.
Supporters are simply standing up for Natalee’s justice.
PS
I’m not the one that posted Koen’s Neighbor’s address for the world to see. Someone forgot to remove the 9 digit zip code that lead to that house in Dacula.
#99…Libby, I heard TES should be arriving on Thurs or Fri and will remain for several weeks
I do think help should of come from the Dutch along time ago…at the very beginning… Aruba waited 10 days and didn’t do squat
What was their investigation like…arrest someone and ask them if they know what happened, all answered no, OK your released. GEEZ!
I’m so sick of the trickle down punatives and awkward comparisons to other cases. We all boycott things to make us feel better about being screwed over. We all see alleged crimes differently. These things are not really the issue. The issue is that a mother and father lost their precious daughter and have not been able to cuddle her remains in any way shape or form one last time in honor of their love for her and a parental need to make things as right as possible for their child’s end. Whomever is resposible for usurping that much needed emotion from Natalee’s parents and family needs Karma to kick their asses accordingly so they know how it feels to be in such pain.
I am not suggesting violence or any sort of retribution toward anyone we have no way of really knowing might be involved no matter how much we guess at it. So Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord? He will carry the day when we hand it over to Him.
Americans owe Aruba NOTHING.
To Libby, Richard, Vicki (all other posters)
You might want to remind the (mainly) American MEN who still think that vacationing “with the beautiful female locals” on Aruba would still be “worth the trip” that you, too will be in “DEEP” both LEGALLY and FINANCIALLY if you are found to be “the Daddy.” I can tell you as
A FACT that you will get NO HELP from either the US court system or ARUBA/THE DUTCH.
Our US courts have been extremely slow to support men/fathers as it is; just IMAGINE adding an American-hating Aruban mother from this island to a situation LIKE THIS. IT WILL RESULT IN YOUR HARASSMENT and YOU WILL PAY and PAY and PAY.
Now how fun does THIS sound to all you conference-going, vacationing men? DON’T GO; if you do, CONSIDER YOURSELF THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING ($$$$).
You American LADIES need to remember this as well; if you get involved with a man from that island, you just may become involved in AN INTERNATIONAL KIDNAPPING or CUSTODY BATTLE, and that’s NOT CHEAP or CONVENIENT. Pretty romantic, huh?
Great poster idea, Richard! Very compelling.
One more thing about the boycott and “innocent Arubans.”
First of all, many of these “innocent” Arubans protested against Beth and held up derogatory signs about Natalee. One disgustingly suggested that Natalee was living it up somewhere else.
Second, IMO, the “innocent Arubans” argument was just a ploy to stop the boycott.
As Richard stated, we owe Aruba nothing. We are not responsible for supporting the Aruban people. We have the right to vacation where we please.
And we have the right to stand for justice for one of our very own citizens, Natalee Ann Holloway.
Also, tourists deserve to be educated about Aruba so that they can protect themselves.
#106 Brie, thanks for the info. I just hope they don’t put it off again.
I do want to know what was in that blue barrel they found. Probably drugs or a body.
Based on the fact that TES is coming, makes you wonder if Natalee is in there or some other missing person and they are moving them somewhere else so they won’t be found.
Hopefully, they are smart enough to look in the barrel. Then again, it is Aruba.
Remember too….AIDS AND HIV is active on the island… sleep with one of them and your going to bed with hundreds and hundreds of people…extremely dangerous in more than one way
#133 (Brie),
Speaking of another “gift that keeps on giving;” you’re right about that!
Also everyone please note, I’ve been to Aruba and know people who live there. This nepotism/coverup stuff IS NOT A NEW OCCURRENCE.
I REPEAT — IT IS NOT NEW! To my knowledge, it’s been going on for AT LEAST 15 YRS. Oftentimes the reason that people on the island don’t talk is because they CAN and DO lose their jobs, which are their means of supporting their families. No, I’m NOT CONDONING their inaction; to me THE OMISSION of fact is the same AS A LIE. I’m just telling you from my own (frustrated) dealings with people there that it is what happens under their government.
I like the few people that I know there, but Richard is absolutely right; boycotting IS the only way.
Someone needs to make our federal and family court systems aware of these things as well. It could close another legal loophole that would prevent our US $$$ from flowing into the country should an international family situation arise. We should be able to have clear, understandable information available to our US court system regarding the Aruban parent’s income, employment and eligibility to certain benefits ALREADY AVAILABLE TO and PROVIDED to that parent in their source country. This would make any US court judgements more equitable to all parties concerned. I don’t think that The Hague has been able to do a very good job in securing these types of agreements between the US and Aruba, in particular.
The Dutch privacy laws are so tight that, if you had a child with an Aruban custodial parent and that child attended school in Holland, YOU, as the OTHER (American) PARENT, COULD NOT HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHILD without the custodial parent’s permission or the child’s permission (after age 18). This is WHETHER or NOT your child was born IN THAT COUNTRY OR THE US (check it out if you don’t believe it).
Her father is an arms merchant? Is that what they call insurance agents these days???
Come Aruba….. stop the mud slinging….. hasn’t your “one happy island” suffered enough economic hardship, which Aruba so rightly deserves.
Don’t blame the FBI because Aruba would not allow FBI to do anything in Aruba.
Aruba’s slogan should be changed to “One Pathetic Island”.
My humble advice to Beth..”get a new lawyer, one who hasn’t become so puffed up with his celeb. status and bored with the whole thing, that he feels justified to go on TV and say the case is over”. In the beginning I thought she had made a good choice in JQK, but I sure have changed my opinion.
As for Greta..”how are your ratings dear? We know its all you care about”.
Posters and ads – good idea. I’d be happy to donate if this done. Let me know how I can help.
Come on, 1006. You don’t want to stop posting here, and we don’t want you to. You played THE crucial role in the King of Prussia demonstration, and it looks like there will be more to come.
All I’m saying is that (in my opinion) we need to concentrate on Aruba, where the crime took place.
If Joran gets out, then we’ve got to decide what will be the MOST EFFECTIVE thing to do.
Don’t take any comments of mine the wrong way (and nobody is saying you had anything to do with that ZIP code issue). But if Joran gets out and they dismiss the case by the end of the year, it’s time for us all to unite against Aruba.
We need everyone here who has good will for Natalee and her family. Next year it will be time to go beyond blogs into some kind of organized effort to boycott Aruba.
We’re all on the same page, I think.
As Justice for Natalee cogently states, we have the right to vacation where we please.
It follows, then, that we have the right NOT to vacation where we please.
And it’s pretty clear that Aruba is not a place for those who are not enamored of drugs, human trafficking, corrupt police and courts, dengue, and dishonesty of all kinds.
QED … boycott the cesspool. And encourage others to follow suit.
Dolf (95) … go back and read the books by Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty to see how much ‘help’ the Dutch gave.
Hey 1906!
You are not too radical friend
YOU ARE RIGHT ON!~
# Richard on December 5th, 2007 10:38 am
Here’s the site of the Ministrie:
http://www.minaz.nl/contact
Questions to the Prime Minister himself:
De Minister-president
Minister van Algemene Zaken
Postbus 20001
2500 EA Den Haag
# 10061906
Sorry I picked your comment to ‘re-comment’ on; I hadn’t seen that there were others who called for a boycot of the NL’s as well. Didn’t mean to offend you.
I just don’t think it is a good idea to shift attention to the NL’s. As Richard said: we shouldn’t fight on two fronts but focus our energy on the ‘crime scene’: Aruba. That’s were things initially went wrong.
And with all due respect, I don’t think a boycot of the NL’s has a very big impact on the NL’s. Because for a big boycot you need the big networks to join; and I guess they’ll understand it’s disproportional. As I said: the investigation at first went wrong on Aruba and the court-rulings (and jurisdiction) are Aruban as well.
And besides that I don’t think the big networks will join because they’ll soon find out that the NL’s – as I’ve said here before – have VERY good relations with the US; we’re long-time friends. (We were for exemple one of the very, VERY few countries who supported the US attack on Iraq.) You shouldn’t underestimate the importance of that relationship.
So I don’t think the big networks would support a boycot very long.
First of all I think we should have a little more patience; wait what comes out of the courtrulings and in the mean while keep up the pressure on Aruba. You hurt the NL’s with that as much as a direct boycot.
A attempt to directly boycot the NL’s I guess is simply not adequate.
How about we all stop posting like we’ve drowned in a glass of water. If you feel and believe ARUBA is an isult to the free world, try something novel. You ask what? I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. It will be done politely, in good taste, and without hysterics.
I’m going to start a FLOOD email campaign to both Republican AND Democratic presidential candidates, their nominating committees, state organizations, major TV and news organizations, the White House in D.C., ALL major travel agencies, and major newpapers (Letters to the Editor), that I can locate or think of.
Why? Because as an American, I choose to express my RIGHT to protest and expose ARUBA’s obvious crime cover-up antics, gross disregard for the protection of vacationing American tourists, and for turning a blind eye to the drugging and gang raping of young females by local males who think of it as a sport.
I think the American Legion and other patriotic organizations should be contacted to establish legal sign picketing of airlines at airports who provide flights to Aruba. Especially at airports in the Eastern U.S. portion of the U.S.A.
The BOYCOTT effort will escalate and Aruba will be held up for well earned and deserved ridicule. BOYCOTT the sand pigs!
EURobert je gaat ze toch niet helpen hoop ik
Hi guys,
the judge just rejected the appeal against the Kalpoe brothers.
WHY THIS WHOLE THING IS A SHAM….
Aruban Law Enforcement and Judges amend a search warrant preventing PVDS’ grounds and home to be searched.
Aruban Law Enforcement/justice carry on this facade that they can’t touch Paulus’ property for two years.
KLPD show up and walk onto the property and do searches based on new evidence. Now we are finding out there is no new evidence. How was the KLPD able to get on the property???
KLPD workers all have fresh copies of Joran’s book and spend their time laughing and ridiculing it while taking breaks…and of course within earshot of Paulus who is “angry”. Tell me this wasn’t a staged production. Show that the KLPD is out to get Paulus and Joran.
Within minutes/hours Paulus is trumpeting to his spawn, Joran, that the KLPD found nothing in their search. Who is feeding Paulus this info? I thought the KLPD was secretive.
We say the arrests made Wednesday afternoon prior to Thanksgiving. A newsday that would make it difficult to cover, let alone get reporters on planes down to Aruba.
We see Anita proclaiming they haven’t arrested her spawn and that there is nothing to what is going on. How did she know this. The VDS’ have typically had the inside scoop every time something comes up. If Joran is released in the next few days, it will again prove out that they knew what the script was.
Now we find the Kalpoes released because there was no new evidence and we are suddenly seeing the timed release blaming the family and the DEA agent for their agressiveness early in the investigation.
Everything here is timed out and scripted. This whole thing is a SHAM. Until Paulus Van Der Sloot is placed behind bars, they are just playing this out in the media and are hoping to begin rebuilding tourism in 2008 after they shut this down in 2007.
Thanks KLPD. Yep, you are the best! BTW, have you filed for a retraction of Karin Janssen’s letter yet? Looked into PVDS timeline? Why not….
This whole case is about Paulus Van Der Sloot’s timeline for the evening. No one, including ALE or the KLPD, want to touch it. Keep covering up folks…..
MD
I said good bye but unfortunately it seems everyone missed my point. THE JUDGES ARE APPOINTED BY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS.
WHAT DO WE THINK OF THE JUDGES ON THE ABC’s?
HENCE MY INCLINATION FOR A DUTCH PRODUCT BOYCOTT?
the appeal has been lost!
ORANJESTAD, Aruba – An Aruban judge has refused to overrule the release of two suspects in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.
The suspects, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were released from jail on Saturday after a judge ruled the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding them.
They had been held on suspicion of involvement in Holloway’s death. Prosecutors challenged the decision at a closed session Tuesday, but were rebuffed by the court.
The Kalpoe brothers were arrested for a third time in the case on November 21 along with a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot, who remains in jail.
Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen leaving a bar with the three suspects on May 30, 2005, hours before she was scheduled to return home to the U-S with her classmates.
All three of the suspects deny any role in the disappearance.
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“Her father is an arms merchant? Is that what they call insurance agents these days???”
………….
Even if that was statement was 100 PERCENT “ON
POINT”… (which it isn’t, I don’t think.)
What on Earth does that have to with
what happened to Natalee, and helping to
find her, so her family can have closure
& lay her to rest with a proper funeral?
…
Nothing. It is sick, twisted,
cruel, and viciously demented.
Aruba is the NH crime scene.
…
Hypothetical:
What if someone shot Paulus and Joran in their
faces next week, and hid the bodies from Anita,
Valentijn, and > Sebastian??? (SEBAS)
That type of behavior…
it is just so EXTREMELY CRUEL to do to a family, ANY FAMILY! ANY COLOR, ANY RELIGION, ANY COUNTRY.
Screw with me, screw with my work, business,
money, reputation… WHATEVER… but when
you screw with MY FAMILY, that’s a
whole different ballgame.
FAMILY IS A #1.
That’s why this story hasn’t
faded away…
FAMILY IS A #1. You either get
that concept or you don’t.
…
-j4n
Maybe we should do some body count…
How many dutch tourists are missing, murdered, vanished in the US without any trace?
Who can remember the 80′s that tourists in rental cars were robbed and killed by american citizens?
Did we ever boycot th US???
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How many dutch tourists are missing, murdered, vanished in the US without any trace?
…
Name them, & back that statement with references,
please. I have researched that area specifically, and you’re very incorrect about that.
i say a fresh razor blade, a candle and some suspects tied to a chair and we would have answers in seconds.
hans mos was not to be trusted from the start. he is dutch and has probably known about this whole situation since day one. the only justice in this case is cowboy justice starting with papa sweat on down to the two little dot head kpokes.
hm….
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3958863&page=1
another walking timebomb
the only dutch tourists missing might be found in the shape of a skeleton on aruba .
Just read this Dave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
Only evidence can be used in a trial.
A judge on a Dutch three judge panel trial can only consider facts in evidence. A judge must exclude all irrelevant information or circumstances, which do not speak to the specifics of a crime and the culpability of the accused. Facts not in evidence and most speculations are irrelevant.
The purpose of the hearing is to determine, first,” Has a crime been committed ? ” A trial can only be brought, based on evidence (presented by the prosecution), which proves a missing person is dead, evidenced by a body or sufficient forensic evidence to indicate that a murder took place. However, a trial could also be brought without a body based on the testimony of credible witnesses that such a crime was indeed committed.
Secondly, if it is determined that the crime of murder was committed, the purpose of the court would be to determine the guilt or innocence of the person accused of the murder based solely on facts permitted in evidence. Circumstantial evidence can be admitted into the trial, but a conviction based only on circumstantial evidence is improbable unless there would be a convincing preponderance.
Any information, whether factual of speculative, about the history of the missing person or the accused, which would be considered unfairly prejudicial to the case will be excluded from the court proceedings.
scrux.com/natalee/
IMHO they rearrested the three with a manslaughter charge that will not stick and Joran will be released as well. Why did they go for a 4 year or more penalty charge? Because they knew it would not hold water with the evidence they have. If they had charged them with a lesser crime the would all be in jail NOW!
That Missing WW SYNDROME
is a crock of chit. Quite frankly,
I think it takes a racist mind to
spout and propagate that garbage.
If they had charged them with a lesser crime the would all be in jail NOW!
Like what?
Another lesson in downplaying of the strategy of the prosecution.
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/subhoofd/2007/12/hollowayzaak_ten_einde.html
‘Holloway-case over’
“The ruling of the Court of Justice on the two brothers has ended this case.” That’s the conviction of the Aruban lawyer Hose Figaroa, of suspect in the Holloway-case, Deepak K. The court rejected the appeal of the Public Prosecution against the release of Satish and Deepak.
Free
Figaroa expects the other suspect JvdS, as the two brothers, will be freed soon if the dossier of JvdS doesn’t has more in it. All involved lawyers think that. “Maybe there are still witnesses who specificly will state against him but it doesn’t look like that. Actually I think that the Public Pros. has no alternative than to dismiss the whole case. I don’t think the coming days won’t show more than the last two years.”
Figaroa thinks the arrest of the suspects K. of last week was just an attempt to put them under pressure. “To see if something came out. But there’s nothing there anymore. Everything has been said. Moreover, they could have phoned the brothers or ask them to come to the policestation, if they had more questions. But still they wanted to put them behind bars. The ruling of the court is a setback for the Publ. Pros. It now is over a little bit.”
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SM: EURobert – doesn’t the prosecutor need to show MORE new evidence tomorrow to extend Joran’s detainment the 60 days? It would be MORE evidence than what was shown initially? Isn’t that correct? (klaasend)
EURobert on December 5th, 2007 7:26 pm
I’m not an expert in this but I would suspect that’s not necessary; the Kalpoes were released because their file didn’t show involvement in the killing of Natalee. But what I have understood JvdS’s file DOES have something like that in it: that was the statement of the undercover-agent or the wiretap. But again I’m not sure.
Sorry, wrong ‘adress’.
# SM (Klaasend) on December 5th, 2007 7:26 pm
I’m not an expert in this but I would suspect that’s not necessary; the Kalpoes were released because their file didn’t show involvement in the killing of Natalee. But what I have understood JvdS’s file DOES have something like that in it: that was the statement of the undercover-agent or the wiretap. But again I’m not sure.
“It now is over a little bit.”
Well, golly gee whiz, that’s the contribution from a lawyer for Kalpoe. What an astonishing statement ….
We’ll see, won’t we ….
As for the poster who alluded to missing Dutch tourists in the U.S., Miami, etc. (same old irrelevant BS that the Arubans like to throw in):
Is there any reason to believe that the U.S. government and/or law enforcement, or the comparable entities of a state, are engaged in a cover-up in these crimes?
End of your stupid argument.
I get your point 1906…..back when Aruba thought they could just wait us out they proclaimed their independence but when they realized they had painted themselves in a corner they cry out for the Netherland’s to take over the case. It appears Aruba & the NL’s have both a symbiotic & parasitical relationship with the ability to point fingers at each other when they don’t want to take responsibility for anything.
Bottom Line is official’s in the NL could’ve stepped up to the plate & insist Aruba fully involve the FBI or the NL’s would close the purse strings on Aruba. They did not. Instead the NL’s sanctioned this behaviour from Aruba by keeping them on the dole & the queen herself joined the parade during her visit there.
These are NOT actions of friendly relations in my book, they are callous & cruel and indifferent.
Our attention on Aruba won’t ease up one iota if we choose not to patronize Dutch products, atleast it hasn’t for me.
10061906 wrote:
I said good bye but unfortunately it seems everyone missed my point. THE JUDGES ARE APPOINTED BY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS.
Are you actually under the impression that Queen Beatrix personally appoints judges?
Judges are not appointed by the Queen, they are appointed in the name of the Queen by Royal Decree. A lot of Dutch decisions are made by Royal decree because for those the Dutch government needs no parliamentary approval. A Royal Decree is something the Dutch government decides to do (doesn’t matter if it is the appointment of a judge, the appointment of a mayor, small summary decisions of the government etc.) for matters to facilitate governing the country. If the parliament had to be consulted for every small thing then no work would get done by parliament.
How a royal decree works, the minister or council of ministers make a decision for which parliamentary approval is not needed like appointing the judges or military personnel to a certain rank. In those cases the decree is written by the responsible minister (minister of justice when it comes to judges) or staff working for him. Then it is simply given to the Queen who HAS TO SIGN IT. That is not a choice of the Queen, that is a requirement that she has to do.
Our Queen can also never hold a speech of her own, any speech she wants to give has to be approved by the government. Even her Christmas speech has to be approved by the government or she isn’t allowed to do the speech.
This is what Wikipedia in the Netherlands writes about the Royal Decree:
Een Koninklijk Besluit is een besluit van de regering. Hoewel de Koning(in) als eerste het besluit ondertekent, wat de indruk kan wekken dat hij/zij persoonlijk achter het besluit staat, gaat het in de praktijk om besluiten van de ministers, omdat die politiek verantwoordelijk zijn voor de inhoud van het besluit.
A Royal Decree is a decision made by the government. Although the Queen is the first to have to sign it, what might give off the impression that she/he personally agrees with the decision, in practice it is decision that was made by the government, because they are politically responsible for the content of the decision.
Deepak’s lawyer said something interesting on Greta and that was that they could not hold them unless the crime would have netted a sentence of four years or over. The suspected crimes they were being held for would have sentenced them to under four years and that is why they are not in jail. They are still suspects.
At 1006– please keep posting. You see things that many don’t. For instance in post 65 you mentioned Deepak circling an area near an escort service. That is what I’m talking about!!! You have an excellent mind and I look forward to your posts and the steps you take after you read something about the case to do the research then give us a “what if”. All these small things add up. Deepak was defintitely trying to get in touch with someone or else they would have been outa there. They were trying to arrange DELIVERY of Natalee, thus the phone call that Deepak had hit the jackpot. These boys all had cell phones. What did “Sheepshak” have to exit the car for and use a pay phone? To keep Nat in the dark about what really was going to happen to her. Carpe, we need you to make a time machine so we can go backwards and save her. If wishes were candy….. let’s not ever give up guys.
Some people seem to have misunderstood my reasoning. I am not supporting the Dutch in what they have done, and not done.
But I think that what we will want is maximum effectiveness. We have to see what happens on Friday: my idea is that it looks certain that Joran will be released.
After that, we have the prosecutor’s announcement that by Dec. 31 he will either decide to seek prosecutions or he will not. This seems to be clear-cut.
So as I look at things, it seems that by the end of the year, Aruba finally will push forward to the conclusion of its cover-up, and will decide that everyone gets off scot-free. And the family of Natalee will be left without answers.
The unresolved issue is: what, if anything, will the water search turn up? The Dutch know full well that the American public will erupt in total fury if the case in Aruba is dismissed, and then Natalee’s body is found.
Anyway, my basic point is that if Aruba dismisses the case … I think the time for blogging is over. Either we take to stronger action, or we don’t.
IF WE DO, I think any action should be directed at the prime target, which is Aruba. Our only tool is to boycott that cesspool; very well, let’s do it. Let’s not divert energy by throwing comments at posters. Let’s grit our teeth, roll up our sleeves and demonstrate our determination:
No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.
Boycott Aruba. It’s only common sense.
We’ll see what happens on Friday.
If Natalee is in the water, God grant that the AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS (not the Arubans or the Dutch, whose JOB AND DUTY it is to do the search) find her.
To make it clear: it’s not that I admire or love the Netherlands, but I want any actions that we do to have maximum impact.
And I think that this goal is best achieved by focusing on Aruba.
Maine Monkey … I’ve been saying what you’re saying since day one. My work in the case of Amy Bradley convinces me that trafficking could be the answer to Natalee’s case … this huge cover-up doesn’t make sense for the scum involved.
Aruba has too much at stake to cover THEM.
There must be something darker involved.
Richard on December 5th, 2007 3:36 pm
Dolf (95) … go back and read the books by Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty to see how much ‘help’ the Dutch gave.
well the Dutch didn’t need to give any help in a domestic Aruban affair, only if they are asked by Aruban gov.
Usualy the only thing Aruban gov. asks for is more money.
We Dutch want to see the guilty ppl thrown in jail (for a whopping 5 years), but we respect rule of law..no body..no evidence..Its not like throw ppl in gitmo just because we think they might have done it
and about the call for the boycott, the only place you here about it is here or on Fox.
Worrying news in Dutch Elsevier-magazine:
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/182594/index.html
‘Death Natalee Hollowa possibly not a crime.’
The United Court of Justice of the Neth. Antilles and Aruba thinks it’s possible that Natalee Holloway in 2005 didn’t die because of a crime. In a new extensive file there is no ‘direct’ evidence that points to that, says the Court
No news in the rest of the article.
richard your right….something much darker.
you just dont want to believ it has zero to do with aruba……beth knows and has known……its all in mt brook
If you want to get a new appreciation of Aruban drugs, murder, coverup, payoffs, and injustice…..just get a local lit with a few drinks, and have him tell you the story of the former owners of the old Talk of the Town restaurant. Or ask about what happened to the owner of that little “Italian restaurant” at the end of the Harbourtown business row several years ago. (You know, the one whose wife and children were abducted and sent across the water……..).
There’s a lot that has happened on Aruba over the years…….I think it’s time to trot out the stories that have been told by some of the honest locals, and spread the word during our BOYCOTT ARUBA email campaign. Why you ask? Because Americans will never forget the Alamo, 9-11, and never will forget Natalee Holloway. Never.
Because I don’t know all the facts and circumstances of this case (other than you read and see in the media) and because (the body of) Natalee is not found yet, I do not know what happened to her. And neither can you.
However I do believe that mistakes were made during the first investigation and therefore it is very well possible that Joran van der Sloot and/or the Kalpoe brothers are involved in her dissapearance. Whether they raped her and intentionally killed her; nobody knows for sure.
I don’t think it is fair to hold all residents of Aruba responsible for the current situation by boycotting the island but with respect to the Netherlands please note that Aruba is – although part of the kingdom of the Netherlands – an independent country with its own government.
The government of the Netherlands is not responsible for what did or did not happen on Aruba. It’s kind of like the US and Puerto Rico; there is a connection however, the government of the US nor the US people are responsible for the things that happen over there.
Only because Aruba invited the Dutch police detectives, the Dutch could get involved. Therefore, boycotting the Netherlands or the Dutch does not make any sense.
And, following up JP # 128, to put some perspective (and definitely not to critize the US judicial system or the US people) please check the following links:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE6D71638F932A15755C0A963958260
and
http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/07/31/crime.2.t_3.php
So I quote:
“MIAMI — The murders of 10 foreign tourists in 1992 and 1993 in Florida — five of them in Miami, where tourists got lost going to or from the airport and were preyed on by carjackers — cast a significant chill on European tourism, even as crime rates against nonresidents were falling.”
“Of the nine cases involving the killing of tourists, one resulted in a murder conviction and four others, including Mrs. Jensen’s, are pending in court. There have been no arrests in the remaining four cases, state law-enforcement officials said.”
Don’t forget the American man and woman who were drugged in one of the casinos … the man was left there, and the woman taken out to the desert and raped, then brought back.
Don’t forget the other cases.
Why NOT boycott Aruba? It’s only common sense.
That article about Natalee’s case is just another joke in a long line of jokes. They know Natalee is dead, but maybe not a violent death, yet noone can be held accountable for her death? Sure she went to Carlos n Charlies and asked for a ride to the beach and wanted to be alone so she could sit there and die and then get rid of herself. This is beyond a farce. Simply because Natalee can’t talk, they can assume all kinds of stuff about her?
Seriously don’t see how anyone can be totally surprised about this case. Straten, Jacobs, Dompig, Shippers, Trapenberg, Croes, Cohen, Tito, Janssen, Renfro, Muzzlehead. etc. Not to mention look at the lawyers hired by all these people in this case over a girl who just sat on the beach and died? Drag it out with “bombshell” news according to Aruba every other week only to say the next day , sorry, just kidding. They want to get on with their tourism. Wait 2 years to ask someone else to come in and look at the case, after they’ve had time to screw up anything in it that might lead to answers. Drag it out, people will get tired of it, put out bloggers with misinformation about Natalee and her family. Blame the family, blame anyone but Aruba, hell blame Canada if it sticks. Let’s see it’s the media’s fault too, this could’ve went away right off like the case of the other 2 missing males from the USA in Aruba. I will never think of nothing but Natalee everytime I hear the name Aruba and I will never think of anything when I hear Aruba except the injustices done to Natalee and her family. Last week we went out to eat and some friends came to eat with us. We were talking about this rearrest. Everyone agree, won’t use the language some of them did, but it was all the same message. The strategy has been drag it out and insult them and they will go away and we can get on with business as usual.
Powers that be want us to believe for 4 days Natalee was doing fine in Aruba amongst her friends and on the night Joran goes out to gamble and drink underage along side his father in a casino where Natalee and her friends are staying, Natalee went crazy that night. First she stalked Joran, and begged him and forced him to come to Carlos N Charlies. 3 guys were forced to go where Natalee was at with her friends and she proceeded to force herself on him and drank everything in sight and begged him to take her to the beach so she could sit there alone drunk and die, then dispose of herself. None of the craziness or bs starts until these 3 the last known people with Natalee entered the picture.
# 152 I live in Charleston SC. Grew up here and it is a tourist location. However, having lived in the city, I can tell you places to avoid. It is unfortunate that we have to live like this anymore; being afraid to go places and see new things. I read the 2 articles that you have listed. No where did I see mention of any suspects saying, I know what happened, but I’m not going to tell at this time. No where did I see where the powers that be said, yes, there was a crime, no, sorry i goofed. You are not even comparing apples to apples. It is too bad that some people have such low comprehension skills.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
THAT ISLAND WILL SWALLOW YOU UP AND NEVER LET IT’S NASTY LITTLE SECRETS OUT!
#151 (Amster 020),
I think that it’s WAY passed time for the Dutch to REALLY cut Aruba loose; according to your explanation (and my own personal experience with both Aruban and Dutch higher officials), it’s some sort of completely dysfunctional relationship. How does your country actually benefit from them (besides having someplace to work/vacation for a change of scenery)? As things stand at this time, that “scenery” hardly seems worth the deep discounts.
Diana, our country has little or no benefit of being in a Kingdom with Aruba. However, Aruban people are all dutch citizens and because however difficult we want the best for all the citizens in the Kingdom we have to keep muddling through with Aruba to try and get the people of Aruba the governance, legal, educational and police services they should be getting.
How does Holland benefit from Aruba.
They enable us to get rid of 2.2 billion euro (paying off Aruban debt, because they don’t have high taxes).
They provide us with jobs at Airport security (take a plane from the Antillen to Schiphol Airport and you’ll see what I mean).
They provide us with jobs in justice/police departments (we have to prosecute and jail all those drugtraffickers).
They provide us with jobs in healthcare (sometimes the drugtrafficking goes bad for the trafficker).
Holland does not really benefit from Aruba however the relationship between Holland and the Dutch Antilles is based on a very old agreement which cannot be terminated or amended unilaterally.
unfortunaly.
It’s sad really when a whole bunch of pathetic ppl go on a forum to complain about the disappearance of a girl they didn’t even know. One girl, in years of tourism on a tropical island you all would love to go to and get away from your own crime infested county.
Watch your own local news once in a while and try to fix the problems in you own country before trying to attack a small island with you non sence!!!