Palm Beach County Florida … Aruba in America (Jorge Pesquera) … Tourism at all Cost



Palm Beach County Florida official need to have their heads examined. They may also want to check their souls as well. So Palm Beach County wishes to bring the Aruban legacy and philosophy of “tourism at all cost” to their community. Why would any one take on this baggage?

Aruba 3 suspects

(Palm Beach County, you too can have this as the face of your tourism)

It appears that Palm Beach County, FL wishes to be the next Aruba. Don’t ask for things Palm Beach, they might just come true. Officials in Palm Beach County should be ashamed for taking the direction of “tourism at all cost” even if it means turning the other way on safety and  credibility. What a legacy to aspire to … try to be the next Aruba.

Aruba beach cam empty

(Palm Beach County, Pictures do not lie)

Never mind that cable television news programs lost interest in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. There’s reason to think the saga will spring back to life in Palm Beach County.

Politicos and tourism experts here are saying there may be yet another chapter to be written in the story of the Alabama teenager  who went missing from a seven-night vacation to Aruba in 2005. (Sun Sentinel)

What a bill of Aruban good you were sold Palm Beach County. Do you really think Jorge Pesquerathe Aruban tourism did not take a major hit during the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the covered up investigation that followed? Do you really think that Jorge Pesquera was responsible for the claim of the so-called rise of tourism in Aruba? Really, some seem to think that Jorge was in the witness protection program hiding under his desk. Aruban tourism was in free-fall. Of course that was when Aruba actually decided to publish tourism numbers as they were so bad. The truth is that Aruban tourism has not even come close to recovering from those loses to this day.

What is laughable is that in many areas of the Caribbean, tourism did increase greatly. However, Aruba was not among them. Of course some of the tourism is going to eventually come back; however, to say that Aruba had steady bookings is as pathetic as saying there was no cover up in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Palm Beach County tourism advisers hired Jorge Pesquera  this summer and they now say he has a story or two to tell on keeping a local economy moving in the midst of crisis.

Despite nonstop news coverage about the southern Caribbean destination, the New York Times reported that the island was met with steady hotel bookings and even higher prices for accommodations.

We all know that the New York Times would never print any false or misleading Baghdad bobstories, now would they? Steady hotel bookings and higher prices huh. Who in Aruba provided Palm Beach County with these tourism numbers, Baghdad Bob? One does not need to be a rocket scientist or a CPA to see that there was nothing but carnage taking place in the tourism sector of the Aruban economy. What part about any of the following stories indicate to anyone that the Aruban economy flourished under Jorge Pesquera following the disappearance of Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway?

And the stories go on and on and on.

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  • Diario: Dutch group knows how to counteract the negative effect in the U.S. of the case of Natalee Holloway
  • Aruban Newspapers: Beth Twitty Meet the The Strategic Task Force (Natalee Holloway Investigation)
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  • Comments

    128 Responses to “Palm Beach County Florida … Aruba in America (Jorge Pesquera) … Tourism at all Cost”

    1. Carpe Noctem on October 10th, 2007 9:40 am

      What a pachyderm load!

      I bet you Palm Beach Chamber had to

      open up all the doors and windows,

      and burn some incense to

      blow the fumes out of the

      offices after his initial

      job interview.

      Stink, stank, stunk dawg.

      - Dr. Seuss

      Hey Pasquera, u can “get one” buddy!

      > hand.

      -Justice 4 Natalee.

    2. Donald Symank on October 10th, 2007 9:50 am

      Perhaps we should learn which NYT reporter is getting free weeks in Aruba.

      The quote.
      “Despite nonstop news coverage about the southern Caribbean destination, the New York Times reported that the island was met with steady hotel bookings and even higher prices for accommodations”

    3. Richard on October 10th, 2007 9:56 am

      To hire the head of Aruban tourism, and to cite as justification therefor his “success” in heading off the impact of the boycott resulting from the government cover-up, was shameful, distasteful and revolting.

      Those words are not strong enough, but I have mislaid my computer glasses.

      I hope this shameful action comes back to haunt West Palm Beach.

    4. Miss-Underestimated on October 10th, 2007 10:50 am

      West Palm Beach, be careful what you ask for?
      What tourist destination would want to be like Aruba?

      I heard that Aruba had to truck in it sandy beaches? If that is true the whole island is a facade.

    5. Miss-Underestimated on October 10th, 2007 10:52 am

      Meant ship in not truck in. My error.

    6. SUPER DAVE on October 10th, 2007 11:21 am


    7. Patti on October 10th, 2007 11:22 am

      Well, I suppose you can write a story anyway you want, especially when your looking through the curtain of smoke that has become synonomous with Aruba.

      The bottom line is this:

      (insert from Sun Sentinel)
      Hotel bed tax monies for promoting the county will pay Pesquera’s $185,000-a-year base salary. He’ll be eligible for up to $10,000 in bonuses, a
      5-percent commission on certain tourism revenue increases, a $25,000 moving expense, a car allowance, health insurance, and a new assistant administrator to share his workload.

      Though it’s a pay cut for Pesquera, who currently earns $250,000 a year, he’ll be just below the pay grade of Palm Beach County’s top official: County Administrator Bob Weisman draws $234,000 a year.

      The visitor’s bureau is only a year removed from when a top employee was caught having left the agency’s bank account plundered of $1.6 million. The bureau is still figuring out how to pay back the Internal Revenue Service for taxes and fines owed as a result of the theft.

      So the fine people of Palm Beach County are going to pay revenue to promote tourism, from which there will be a bed-tax generated to pay Pesquera’s salary that is based at $185,000, plus a 10,000 bonus and a 5% commision on certain
      revenues, automobile allowance and health insurance.

      And Palm Beach Country really thinks Pesquera is the bomb, even though he is taking a 25% pay cut? I may not be the smartest person in the world, but my common sense tells me that if Pesquera did such a good job in Aruba, or
      anywhere for that matter, he would be looking to increase his salary base, not decrease it. Either, he did a lousy job in Aruba and they can’t wait to get rid of him, or he’s willing to cut his losses and get the hell out of there. Either way, he can’t be the best person for the job.

      And then there’s this little problem that the Visitor’s Bureau has with a rather large sum of money missing from it’s bank account, from it’s “former” top employee for which the Bureau has not reported as income, but rather is paying the fines and tax on the money, itself. Hummmm….. Now if that doesn’t sound like an “inside job” What???? They’ve never heard of reporting the money’s stolen as income to the thief who took it, who then has his own problems with the I.R.S. for tax evasion. Instead,
      they’re paying the tax for him?

      Who are these people anyway? Mr. Mafia Joe and Bob from the Mob? It sounds to me that there are multiple problems in Palm Beach County, not the least of which is it’s tourism. To have a pariah like Pesquera is sure to add fuel to the fire and
      not in a good way.

      Citizens of Palm Beach County…

      hang on to your pocketbooks!!!

    8. PJ on October 10th, 2007 11:32 am

      If you look at it the other way – Pesquera is taking a pay cut and new job to depart the plighted Aruba. Maybe he cannot see his future going anywhere with the Aruban Tourism Board!

    9. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 12:15 pm

      Maybe Jorge wants to tell all and collect the reward money once he gets to US soil.
      That would be the perfect way to leave the Island and not get crucifried.

    10. JusticeforNatalee on October 10th, 2007 1:30 pm

      Protect the tourists themselves, you idiots!

    11. Miss-Underestimated on October 10th, 2007 2:05 pm


      That brings up another issue. If the Kalpoes
      came here to the US, could they get immunity if they were to turn on the Sloots?

      Since there is little or no cooperation from Aruba with the FBI in the case, would the US be bound to extradite the Kalpoes, IFFIN, they came to the US for immunity?

    12. Vicki on October 10th, 2007 3:08 pm

      I was thinking Miss U that maybe they would come here and tell what they know…but unless their mama comes with them…Im sure they wont spill their guts…..

    13. minnesota dad on October 10th, 2007 3:26 pm

      Speaking of the Kalpoes….anyone know on what is going on in their California case? Have they turned in the docs? Or are they withdrawing.

      Any reason why there are so many pop-ups on this site now? Even with my pop-up blocker up, they seem to get through!


    14. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 3:55 pm

      The US and Aruba have an extradition treaty. However under the circumstances and sensitivity of the case, I don’t think that could happen. As far as a Dutch national; aruba is not bound to honor the treaty. That has to come from the Netherlands.
      However since the Kalpoes are Surinames and are considered aliens in aruba it is more likely they would get deported to Suriname rather than extradited to the US.
      Anyone from another country can ask for assylum once they are in the States.

    15. Robert on October 10th, 2007 4:10 pm

      Off topic.

      Google news-service just sent me a news article from a Dutch newsprovider (sells news to newsmedia) Nieuwsbank.

      Apparently a member of parliament has asked questions to the Secretary of Internal Affairs and Kingdomrelations about the Natalee Holloway case.

      “1. Do you know of the news that some members of the US House of Repr. did a request to have a hearing about the role of the FBI in the investigation to the disappearence of Natalee Holloway?

      2. Is it clear if this hearing goes on and….”

      Unfortunatly the newsmessage stops there (unless you buy it from the newsbank). Maybe more in the newspapers tomorrow.

      Or does someone of you know something about a hearing?

    16. Maggie on October 10th, 2007 4:23 pm

      I would still like to see some undercover women go to Aruba and let some of these creeps try what was done to Natalee. Aruba is a disaster waiting to happen for women.

      This guy took a job in Florida with a pay cut yet he was at the top of his job in Aruba, making lots more money and tourism was great? 3 cheers for Jorge, he must be the one who puts those 2-7 tourists out in front of the Bucuti Beach Cam daily.

    17. Robert on October 10th, 2007 4:52 pm

      In addition to: Robert on October 10th, 2007 4:10 pm

      I now see – in the initial Google Alert mail – that a part of the news-article is another question of the member of parliament to the Secretary:

      “What is the state of affairs concerning the second opinion the KLPD executed in the investigation to the disappearence of Natalee Holloway and when…”

      So… Maybe more the coming days!?
      SM: Robert – we appreciate anything you see in the Dutch publications. This entire subject is based upon a bogus online petition put together by friends of the Van der Sloots. It was published yesterday in Bondia and it’s BS. Will be interesting to see how the Dutch publications see it. (klaasend)

    18. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:11 pm



    19. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:12 pm


    20. Robert on October 10th, 2007 5:22 pm

      # SM October 10th, 2007 4:52 pm

      OK, got it.

      I only get very few articles from Google Alert, only Dutch (?). So I hadn’t heard of the Bondia-”hoax”.

      I’ll keep my eyes and ears open. Maybe the Secretary gives some insight in the state of affairs of the investigation; that’s what we all want to know, don’t we?
      SM: Yes, thank you Robert. I don’t think they will know it’s a hoax but I’m hoping they will see how rediculous it sounds. (klaasend)

    21. Robert on October 10th, 2007 5:30 pm

      # 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:12 pm

      Those are all – at least the firs two pages – old or irrelevant links.

    22. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:36 pm

      Just remember who would have turned twenty-one this October 21st,
      Light a candle and say a few prayers.

    23. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:39 pm

      Can you put a name to the face of the guy in the background holding up his hand and is wearing glasses?
      SM: Yes – that is Jeromy Croes aka Cheromy Croes aka Jerry Strawberry. He’s the friend of Steve Croes that looks exactly like the sketch of the person that attacked the gal near the Fisherman’s Huts.(klaasend)

    24. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 5:55 pm

      Thanks Robert and Klaasend.
      I remember the incident do you have a link?

    25. Carpe Noctem on October 10th, 2007 7:33 pm

      Justice 4 Natalee!

      F. Aruba in their Pez Dispenser.

    26. brie on October 10th, 2007 8:14 pm

      Joran says he had sex with Natalee at his house..but also says she was in out of consciousness at his house…I would call that rape. I guess a suspect can say anything they want to…this why is loves to show so no disrespect for Natalee…Anita the sea cow…her remarks to Beth, maybe that never even happened..She was testing Beth’s ability to hold strong! And in my opinion that was disgusting…And like I’d said, who wants her teaching their children!

    27. 10061906 on October 10th, 2007 8:36 pm

      Actually if you look again; he resembles the sketch from Haunting Evidence without the glasses and mustache.
      I still say Geoff was also involved with Natalee’s disappearance. As we see Jeromy Croes hangs out with Geoff and that looks like the balbula café or whatever it is called. So they both hang out there.
      So does Joran and his buddies the pimps. I guess Geoff and Joran never ran into each other. ?????
      Can we get anything more on Jeromy so we can try to connect the dots?

    28. Bob on October 10th, 2007 8:47 pm

      The only thing we can still look forward to is that one day, everyone will stand in front of the man in the great white chair, he will open the book of life to the page that has your name, and review how you acted here on earth to others. LOL. A few characters from Aruba will not like the justice that will be metted out.

      In the end………it all equalizes. Count on it.

    29. Allan K on October 10th, 2007 9:25 pm

      Just sounds like more trash in Palm Beach now. Just how in the hell is that man worth that much money?
      He must know some crooks in the IRS or something. For anybody to hire him after the Aruba disaster it has to be mafia-cartel control in Palm Beach to get him that job.

      Aruba,”Give Natalee back” tell the damn truth for once and arrest a lot of people. Prove to me you are no longer scum.

    30. on October 10th, 2007 10:14 pm

      “Despite nonstop news coverage about the southern Caribbean destination, the New York Times reported that the island was met with steady hotel bookings and even higher prices for accommodations”

      Okay, actually if we pick this statement apart and depending on what the meaning of “is” is, it could actually be true (while leaving the impression of a lie).

      dissection: “the island was met with steady hotel bookings” – yes, steady indeed, steadily declining but steady.

      Dissection: “and even higher prices for accommodations” – Aruba hotels had to raise prices because their bookings went down so steadily.

    31. yoyo muffintop on October 10th, 2007 11:49 pm

      #17 – “SM: Robert – we appreciate anything you see in the Dutch publications. This entire subject is based upon a bogus online petition put together by friends of the Van der Sloots. It was published yesterday in Bondia and it’s BS. Will be interesting to see how the Dutch publications see it. (klaasend)”

      How do you know this to be a hoax?
      Sounds earily close to MN Dad’s theory about the FBI’s involvement or lack there of – which some agreed with. Maybe MN Dad wrote to the Congress?
      Maybe a hoax maybe not. Has someone come out and flat said it is a hoax or is that a guess?

    32. LilPuma on October 10th, 2007 11:58 pm

      11. Miss Underestimated: I think the Kalpoes are afraid of the Sloots and others in Aruba, not just of being prosecuted in this case. They also have family that may not want to leave the island. So I’m not betting the farm on them turning on the Sloots.

      BTW, good to see you again.

    33. LilPuma on October 11th, 2007 12:04 am

      29. Allan K. We know some Arubans involved in this case seem to have ties to South Florida — Julia, Jossy, Deepak, Freddy, come to mind. Even Joran applied to go to school there. So there may be personal and business connections – legit or otherwise.

      “You state: Aruba,”Give Natalee back” tell the damn truth for once and arrest a lot of people. Prove to me you are no longer scum.”

      I second that. It’s what we’re waiting for.

    34. yoyo muffintop on October 11th, 2007 12:38 am

      Speaking of the FBI, I am surprised this O’Reilly Factor interview with Beth Twitty on 10/5 hasn’t been discussed here.
      Some serious bombshells dropped:

      -BOR says FBI says Joran did not kill or rape her but got rid of her body.
      -Beth says she died of date rape drug
      -Beth says “yes” to allowing kids to travel alone to places with “permissive atmospheres” such as aruba and mexico.
      -Geraldo is all over the board. Just listen to him. Geraldo is Geraldo…as Adam Carolla would say.

      7+minutes – very interesting
      SM: Discussed in the forum Yoyo (klaasend)

    35. brie on October 11th, 2007 2:23 am

      Joran and Paulus need to hand high from the biggest tower! And if if Anita has one ounce of justice in her body, she can hold the rope!

    36. benh on October 11th, 2007 6:02 am

      Actually oreilly said that info came from fbi,the fbi did not say it.Oreilly said a credible aruban source he got rid of that when he found out no one belived it.

    37. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 8:59 am

      …and they did’t kill her or rape her, but they
      disposed of the body?

      That is kinda like J-BO saying he reads HUSTLER
      MAG for all of the wonderful articles. “I was scared,
      because I left her at the beach” yada yada
      frickety blah blah blahhhhh!!!
      That chit doesn’t make sense.

      Furthermore, even if it
      DID happen precisely that way,

      Disposing of a body in a town dump or
      out at sea is OKAY in Aruba?

      (I’m sure they were
      doing that for charitable
      reasons, rrrrright? No littering,
      keep the highways clean. Ooooh,
      what a good SPORTER you are!

      clap a hands

      Howza bout we get rid of Paulus and Joran’s bodies
      without a trace of DNA? Hmmmm? I wonder if that happened, would the same rules apply in
      their cases?

      I kinda view the
      “Aruban Dolt” like the Lewis & Clark adventurers of
      of modern day. Only instead of discovering
      new land that lies to the West,
      they are exploring new territory
      in mental illnesses, and deep dark

      and a big F. you to ya’ll!!!

      Today is #864, and we STILL think you’re
      sucking major tailpipe.

      We want our girl
      back! Nail the punks.

      -Justice 4 Natalee.

    38. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 9:16 am

      Here is a pic to
      remind you of what
      she looks like!

      -entire pic catalog

    39. 10061906 on October 11th, 2007 9:23 am
    40. Miss-Underestimated on October 11th, 2007 10:18 am

      32. Hey LilPuma, how are you? Wasn’t it great to see Beth?

      Thinking along that lines. The Kalpoe’s are like (excuse the pun) men without an island. Where do they go?

      If they had no direct part in the drugging, rape and murder of Natalee, they would have turned some how.

      I can’t help thinking by the statement made by Satish. “Something bad happened to Natalee”

      Leads me to believe they were a part of the total scheme, starting with posing as cabbies.

    41. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 10:28 am

      Wow, 1006… Geoff sure knows how to tan, huh?


      When I was at the mall yesterday running
      errands, I picked up a lil’l thing
      for Joran.

      We can give it to him from all of us
      this Christmas. It is a cool toy that
      prevents a person from lying.

      You just pop it in & go.

      Most excellentttttt! ;-)


    42. JusticeforNatalee on October 11th, 2007 11:24 am

      Come on, Aruba!

      How many times do you have to hear it
      before it sinks in:


      It’s free tourism advice.
      It will improve your image.
      And in civilized minds, it’s the right thing to do.

      The world is watching, Aruba. Especially Americans.
      Don’t expect American tourists to visit while you are

      Wake up and get real, Aruba.

    43. brie on October 11th, 2007 11:27 am

      #40…Miss-U…I always wonder about that statement…something bad happened…does he really know or does he know just enough to say that because she disappeared and he knows Joran. Maybe he should be a witness instead of a suspect. That could change things.

      Well, I hope the Dutch come up with something soon. I would like to think they’re working with our FBI. I wonder how many eyes follow Joran around.

    44. brie on October 11th, 2007 11:50 am

      Joran says he’s done this 20 times before, did he, or is lying to be king of the pimp club. And if he did just where did he take all these girls. That would be interesting to know.

      And how does Joran end up with all these girlfriends, being the cheat and sneak that he is? Or maybe, it’s not as it seems, could it be there just prostitutes and Joran rounds them up for Freddy’s porno’s.

      And tell me Paulus isn’t involved in all that crap! He sends Joran off to school with a porno cd to keep him awake in class. Oduber son rapes the family maid, Croes has sex slaves, that whole place is consumed with sex, legal or illegal. I certainly hope through all of this that American families would never, never allow their daughters to go there.

    45. 10061906 on October 11th, 2007 12:20 pm

      No Taxi Globe. Must be in the trunk
      I wonder who else is in the front and who took the picture in the rear?

      Look who pops up again.
      Makes you want to barf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Check out the sport glasses. Holiday Inn décor. Could he be that smart to be able to install a hidden camera?

      Real ladies man NOT!!!!

    46. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 12:39 pm
    47. Miss-Underestimated on October 11th, 2007 1:14 pm

      If he is involved in the crime, the NL does not have plea-bargaining.

      I know the NL has a Crown Witness status, but I do not know how that would pertain to this case, or could it be the NL just does not want to expose the corruption on the island by making Satish a crown witness?

    48. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 1:43 pm
    49. brie on October 11th, 2007 2:01 pm

      Hilarious Carpe…how about a pic of Rudy and his sex slaves….

    50. brie on October 11th, 2007 2:36 pm

      …1906…I wish we could get that translated, the only thing we can pick out it is the FBI Oct 7 and Natalee Holloway…where can we get it translated?

    51. Miss-Underestimated on October 11th, 2007 2:53 pm


      That picture of Deepak, well, it looks like the head does not belong on the body. After a longer view, I think the head is missing horns..

      Was that Joran hand on the other guys knipples?

    52. Richard on October 11th, 2007 4:02 pm

      I’m wondering why so many people now are leaning toward the view that the Kalpoes were not involved in what happened to Natalee ….

    53. brie on October 11th, 2007 6:01 pm

      In the interview with O’Reilly, Beth said she thinks perhaps Satish was not involved the way Deepak and Joran are. That’s why he would be a better witness than a suspect. But, of course, no one follows the law in Aruba, you just make it up as you along.

      I wish we had someone who could translate Dutch into English. The link that 1906 gave us says a lot about Natalee, there are many articles. Something happened on Oct 7 and the FBI is mentioned. Trying to translate through the internet but it is difficult. Can anyone help?

    54. brie on October 11th, 2007 6:58 pm

      I could mistaken, it could of been an interview with Greta or Fox news, There’s a lot going on.

    55. brie on October 11th, 2007 7:07 pm

      I think there are tips that lead to the sea…hopefully we will find her. If you really wanted to dispose of a body it would be the sea! Salt water would destroy DNA, but we still have the remains….so there would be remains of a body…and there would a case! Natalee did not do this to herself! Your selfish desire for tourism and your cover-up and corruption did it!!!!!!!!!!!!

    56. brie on October 11th, 2007 7:25 pm

      Scared Monkeys…can you help us translate the Dutch article that mentions Natalee and the FBI Oct 7. Thank You!

    57. JusticeforNatalee on October 11th, 2007 7:48 pm

      Aruba, what ever possessed you to cover up the crimes against Natalee in the first place?

      All you had to do was nail the perps. Then tourists everywhere would have looked upon your police force favorably. Everyone would have realized that crime happens everywhere but at least
      there was justice.

      How stupid of you, Aruba! Do you know how bad you look right now?

      Turn it around and put the perps in jail!

    58. brie on October 11th, 2007 8:11 pm

      And all you innocent people that Paulus claims could be hurt are probably guilty as well. Aruba, your’re on the Travel Advisory Board. Where is Natalee! All she wanted was a ride to the Holiday Inn. Joran and Deepak had other plans. Deepak’s car, who has two video camera’s in a car…..He’s a pervert!!! Natalee made two phones calls in and attempt for help! But it was too late! The decision on her life was left with a psychopath! JORAN!!!!

    59. Carpe Noctem on October 11th, 2007 10:54 pm

      I hope a flying house falls

      on Anita’s big a$$, and her feet

      shrivel up… and she’s forced to

      wear special orthopedic shoes

      for life!


      MISS MC MELON! -j4n

    60. Patti on October 12th, 2007 1:08 am


      Paulus would love to tell-all, except for one little problem. It would land his best friend, his ex co-workers and everyone in his family in jail. That’s too many people to hurt, over one little girl. But, he thought he’d just throw that in, just in case someone got any bright ideas.

      In my opinion Anita is just as guilty as Paulus and Joran. I think she was directly involved with Natalee’s death and the disposal of her body.

    61. downloadingdaddy on October 12th, 2007 2:27 am

      The translation I get is gibberish but here it is,
      chamber questions concerning the case Natalee Holloway You a page from the Nieuwsbank press bulletin file have asked and you are no subscriber. For this reason you now ask a small contribution for the maintenance of our press bulletin collection we. Below you see the first 100 words of the press bulletin asked by you, after payment you can read the complete press bulletin. Are you already, however, subscriber? Click here to give your guard word up. Do you want now fast within ten minutes subscriber become? Click then here. Buy no cat in the pocket! Read this good: * Warnings: Pay attention to the date of this press bulletin, it can become obsolete be. Pay attention to the length: The complete bulletin is possibly not many longer than the first hundred words which you see below. Nieuwsbank here only provide source material: if you a journalism expects end product, vexation for the hand lies. You do not pay for this reported but for the use of the Nieuwsbank collection; it can be that this press bulletin is for free offered elsewhere or later. * The use of this press bulletin has been bound to conditions. Our customer service subscribes to the ECPN code of conduct for online doing business. * Your e-mail address remains confidential, Nieuwsbank used it only for this operation. * Have you ask concerning the payment to bel then the Nieuwsbank helpdesk, have you ask concerning the contents of reported, look then for the address data in reported themselves or follow the link to the original vindplaats. First 1169 signs of reported: Date: 10-10-2007 chamber questions concerning the case Natalee Holloway Party of labour The Hague, 10 October 2007 Questions of the member learning dam (PvdA) to the State Secretary of internal matter and kingdom relations concerning the case Natalee Holloway 1. You know it reported that some members have appealed the American house delegates love a hearing concerning the role of the FBI at the study into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?{1} (to see appendix) 2. It has been already confessed or this hearing continues and… the rest counts still 1955 signs. press bulletin ask wheel a e-mail version of the page to e-mail address: Molar your betaalwijze: I pay 1 EURO with my Teletik Safepay Card I receive no btw-factuur/receipt. I pay by means of the tel.: 1.30 EURO by conversation (in the Netherlands) I receive no btw-factuur/receipt. The tefoonnummer to ring and further instructions get you in the next baffle. I ring from Belgium: 1.12 EURO per minute, expensive approx. 80 seconden I pay 5 euro online by means of the betaalsite of Multipay (visas, Mastercard, incasso, iDEAL). And I receive my btw-factuur/receipt by means of e-mail with below the filled in data, for the amount of 4.20 plus 0.80 VAT. Fields with * is obligatory. invoice address: * Distinguished: * Surname: Firma: * Address: * Place: mail code: Tel.: Wheel btw-factuur/receipt to: * E-mail address: Your VAT number:

    62. EURobert on October 12th, 2007 3:20 am

      (NB: new nick to distinguish me from other Roberts)

      # brie on October 11th, 2007 6:01 pm

      Hi brie,

      The links that 1906 gave on this page are almost all links to older articles in newsmedia. Only the toplink is to the article that I linked to in 15 & 17: a member from the Dutch parliament has asked questions to the Secretary about the behaviour of the FBI shortly after the investigations into the disappearence of Natalee (and something that was published in the Bondia this week). Did the FBI hinder Aruban police in the early investigations.

      I’ve looked at the site of the parliamentrecords but haven’t found an answer of the Secretary yet.

    63. brie on October 12th, 2007 8:27 am

      #18…1906…Having any luck with the translation?
      I’m not….I sure would like to know what that said!

    64. Patti on October 12th, 2007 9:55 am

      It sounds like someone is trying to scam people out of their money by selling them old newsmedia. They type a teaser, like the one that Robert found where there are questions of the Parliamnet regarding the Holloway case and in order to obtain the rest of the document, which may already be published somewhere, at no cost, you must pay. There is no guarantee that there is any more information other than what is already typed as a teaser. No guarantees one way or the other ie if there’s additional information or if the information is attainable elsewhere free.

      Like I said, it sounds like a scam. Especially, the teaser that Robert found “Did the FBI hinder Aruban police early investigations”.

      I would imagine that someone from Bondia is in the Netherlands trying to stir up suspicion to hold up the investigation. Leave it up to them to do so. How would the Parliament know if the FBI hindered the investigation without an investigation into what they did. Given the pace of the Dutch, that would take another six months, even if it is simply asking a question or two of the agents present in Aruba. AND, at the same time making a little money on the side because of the vast amount of interest in the case.

      Why does this have to be so political and what is Bondia’s interest in the outcome of the investigation one way or the other? That’s the part I don’t get. Someone must have strong connections with them as it appears they are running interference. Who would put them up to that?

      CHARLES CROES, maybe?

      That would be my guess.

    65. Carpe Noctem on October 12th, 2007 9:57 am

      “Did the FBI hinder Aruban police in the early investigations.”

      Oh, that is the best joke I have heard all week!

      #1. At every turn they refused to let the FBI
      help. They were relegated to only taking

      VANDERSLOOT’S to call that BOZO THE
      CLOWN CIRCLE JERK that Aruba conducted

      #3. Hey Aruba, I got your “HINDRANCE”
      right here.

      If they really want to talk hindrances, they should roll back tape to the first three weeks
      of the investigation. Observe Paulus Vandersloot’s
      behavior. > NOW IF YOU PUT HIS ACTIVITIES ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE, rather than cover
      them all up (like Aruba did, and is STILL
      DOING) …

      Well, Paulus
      is the definition
      of HINDRANCE.

      I pray everyday someone “bull parade”

      charges his a$$ and unloads a full

      magazine into him. That punk b1tch.

      >He played God with another person’s child!

      …and Aruba stood by

      and diddled themselves

      while he did just that.

      U wanna talk HINDRANCE?

      I got your f’n HINDRANCE, buddy. -j4n

    66. Carpe Noctem on October 12th, 2007 10:56 am

      here, 2:46 time.



      Justice 4 Natalee.

    67. Richard on October 12th, 2007 12:09 pm

      JusticeforNatalee (#57) is absolutely right; there would have been no impact on tourism if Aruban law enforcement had followed up on what Beth herself demonstrated to them: that the stories of the three stooges were lies.

      Had there been arrests, prosecution, trials and punishment, with protestations of regret by Oduber and the locals, I think that there would have been little impact.

      Instead, Aruba has covered up actions by its own people, tried to thwart justice from day one, and finally manipulated public opinion against the family of the missing girl, as though THEY were responsible. How stupid? How insensitive?

      That is, unless you know that underlying this whole tragedy is something that, if known to the world, would end the Mafia’s little fiefdom for good and all.

      What could that something be?

      Do some research on how pervasive human trafficking is in Latin America …

      …oops, sorry. Can’t happen to an American.

    68. 10061906 on October 12th, 2007 12:11 pm


    69. 10061906 on October 12th, 2007 1:00 pm

      PARDON ME while I continue to rant and rave.

      BRIE: Accordingly what I posted was old news. But yes I would like to see it translated anyway. “Natalee committed suicide???? REALLY!!!!!!!!! If that is what the ALE and Dutch call it then Joran, Geoff and Guido helped.

      Van der Sloot is allowed to leave the Caribbean island but must remain on Dutch territory under terms of his release.
      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, who has previously said Aruban authorities made mistakes in the early part of the Holloway investigation, added that he could appreciate the “dismay” of the missing teen’s mother.
      “But, the case is not concluded. And we will continue to demand that the search for answers into what happened to Natalee will not cease,” Oduber said in a statement released Monday
      But Joran did travel to New York previously called New Amsterdam.
      I guess the Dutch still consider NY Dutch Territory. I guess they turned their heads and looked the other way again.

      A victim’s mother has to apologize for remarks made concerning the inept police investigation into the disappearance of her daughter????????
      I would not have.,2933,161952,00.html

      West Palm Beach deserves all it gets from good old Jorge.
      Pronounced hor hey.
      They seem to be doing pretty good before they hired him.
      Once on US soil I would loved for the FBI to question him about what he knows.,_Florida

      In a statement made by van der Sloot to the police he suggested that one of the Kalpoe brothers had perhaps sexually assaulted, murdered and buried her, that he himself (van der Sloot) has confessed to having sexual contact with her when she could not resist (drugs, alcohol?), and/or that he later left her alone on the beach, a second violation of local law as he apparently left a vulnerable person in a place and condition where she could be victimized, all similar to US misdemeanors, probably at most with a six month sentence. However, you cannot be convicted simply on your own confession here, therefore, as Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot is alleged to have said, “No body, no case.”
      There has to be a reason why Joran and Deepak have turned against one another???
      Clearly an offense on Aruba and never prosecuted. If they find Natalee you will get 15 years. 15 years is what a minor gets for committing murder. There is no death penalty.

      “they had Dutch F-16′s do photo fly overs that probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, you’d think the local government would spend the money needed to search the land fill and therefore complete the land search”.
      What a crock of shit. What did fly overs have to do with Natalee. They were doing mapping flyovers.
      I could say the same thing for the World Series in NY when the Reserves fly over. The Reserves sent up four jet planes planes. They were looking for Jimmy Hoffa.

      Reporter: And Joran what do you think happened to Natalee after you left her on the beach.
      Joran: I would not want to speculate.
      If innocent he may not want to speculate, however if he knows the truth it would be difficult to come up with a different story on short notice. Or the truth could easily slip out.

      Lots of reading for the weekend

    70. 10061906 on October 12th, 2007 3:17 pm

      Let’s hope nothing this horrific happened to Natalee.

    71. 10061906 on October 12th, 2007 3:34 pm

      Please note number 7 as it applies to Natalee

      1. The primary motive for rape is sexual.
      2. Rape occurs only among strangers.
      3. Women who are raped are asking for it by the kind of clothes they wear.
      4. Victims of rape are usually young, attractive women.
      5. Rapists are usually one-time offenders.
      6. Most rapists are between 16 and 24 years old.
      7. Rape is not planned but done on an urge.
      8. Rapes happen most often in the street, or alleys in the early evening.
      9. Most rapes are not reported to the police.
      10. In most cases a woman can fight off her attacker.
      11. A victim can report a rape to the police without charges being pressed against the rapist.
      12. Medical treatment for rape victims is not necessary unless the victim is physically injured, i.e., cuts or bruises.
      1. False. Rape is an act of violence with domination a key factor.
      2. False. Rape often occurs between acquaintances or dates as well.
      3. False. Women no more want to be raped than a person who carries money wants to be robbed.
      4. False. Known victims have ranged in age from 6 months to 90 years.
      5. False. Since so few rapists are convicted they tend to repeat their actions.
      6. True.
      7. False. Rapes are often planned but the victim is left to chance.
      8. False. Most rapes occur in the victim’s home. Most rapes occur between 8 p.m.-2 a.m. and more frequently on weekends.
      9. True.
      10. False. Most often a victim is caught off guard, is probably less strong and probably isolated.
      11. True. If a victim does not want to identify herself to the police she can anonymously give a description of the attacker and details of the assault.
      12. False. It is important for the victim to be checked internally as well as having venereal disease and pregnancy prevention measures taken.

      So it may well have been Ruth that got away and Natalee became the substitute victim.

    72. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 4:11 pm

      Did the FBI hinder the Ale investigation early one? What investigation? The one where they went out and woke up 2 security guards at dawn, searched their homes and arrested them and paraded them around on tv? Or do they mean the one where cops just let the last known suspects with Natalee drive away without doing body searches or car searches? Or do they mean the one where the ALE all sat around with Beth and watched the Holiday Inn tape to see Natalee didn’t return, yet they still pursued 2 black security guards? Or do they mean the one where Straten went to see Paulus to tell him to bring Joran for questioning.. how convenient. Joran during being questioned was allowed to call Deepak he says to ask him what Natalee was wearing yet on early monday morning he described Natalee’s underwear and private body parts to the cops. Heads up for the Kalpoes to know they were going to be questioned. Or do they mean when the ALE showed up to search the VDS’s and the search warrant was changed on site by Ben King and Judge Smit to just Joran’s apartment? Or do they mean 2 months after Natalee missing, the prosecutor goes on a 2 week vacation to Holland? How pathetic is that?! Or when it’s reported that Carlo, Joran’s attorney, meets with Karin Jansen, which is illegal? Or was it when the cops said they didn’t know the Holiday Inn story, 2 black guards story wasn’t true(yeah right) and sent the family out in harms way in crackhouses, yet claimed they believed Natalee was let off at the Holiday Inn with the guards? Or was it when they reported 1 confessed and they were being led to the body? Or was it when Straten said he thought Natalee was dead, he seen the evidence. Or was it when these 3 have engaged in 2 and half years worth of lies to do anything along with paid liars and spokespeople who would float any story to save tourist or their butts? The same people who say there is no proof Natalee is dead try to float out that she od’ed. There is lots of proof Natalee is dead. The biggest one being is noone has seen her since she was in the company of these 3 and right off Paulus is meeting with them to make up stories to explain Natalee’s absence and getting lawyers and telling them what to do. This is like the story of Dompigs whining saying Beth caused them to arrest the suspects early. If they would’ve took these suspects in the first night and separated them and questioned them, one of them would’ve cracked. 11 days to clean up, etc and they blame it on the FBI. I blame it on Paulus, Straten, Jacobs and Dompig and no accident.

      I am sure the FBI have an opinion on this and it isn’t favorable to Aruba. They don’t come out and do press conferences. Another big hoax trying to portray it as news blaming it on others. Even tried to blame it on the victim.

      You would think those in charge would know that had they solved this crime 2 years ago, they wouldn’t be where they are at today. Still they chose the low life road by blaming the mother, father, friends, the victim, the FBI, Tim Miller, people who have came here everyday to try to get justice for Natalee. They have all along with the suspects done far more damage then Beth ever could. People who might want to visit or have are watching and saying this could be my family and my daughter and no way. Who would want to deal with these ugly souled people if their daughter became a victim of a crime in Aruba. I’ve always said let them keep talking, they make the best case for not going there.

    73. Patti on October 12th, 2007 4:16 pm


      Rape is usually a hit and run crime.

      Natalee was kidnapped, not raped on the beach.

      She was caged like an animal and

      transported to another location.

      The Sloots hold off the investigation

      long enough for the “no body, no crime”

      scenario to be fulfilled.

      And the Lions lick their chops.


      Boycott Aruba

    74. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 4:17 pm

      Only one problem with the Ruth story, on Greta’s show he said Kathleen. I choose to believe it was Natalee all along, because of her innocence and kind nature, easy to deseive her with kindness. He was playing poker with the Twitty Twins before he met Natalee and hanging around the casino and Holiday Inn. I believe watching them, to make his move. The fact that he tried so hard to say Natalee pursued him and he won money for her, she was coming on to him , she wanted to dance, she forced herself on them into the car, is his way of trying to avoid himself telling it was vice versa.

    75. brie on October 12th, 2007 4:36 pm

      Our FBI did hinder the case, they figured it out. Joran is a psychopath and his pathetic criminal co-hurt Deepak. Natalee was given the date-rape drug and she died and her body was put in the sea. In and out of consciousness, she was probably trying to survive. And maybe her life could of saved.

    76. Patti on October 12th, 2007 4:44 pm

      Come on 1906!

      First you have Natalee dying in Kalpoes car while she is drugged and forced to perform oral sex on everyone. And then, you have her being raped by GVC and Joran at the beach and now you want to include this Croes kid with the glasses, too?

      How many people do you think raped Natalee, all together? Don’t forget, there’s Freddy, Steve Croes, Michael Dompig. And probably more; as if they don’t have better things to do than to partake in Joran’s little American Dream Boat fantasy. Personally, I think GVC, as well as all the other men that you have involved in this gang bang could get women of their own without relying on Joran to kidnap someone for them all to share.

      It is my opinion, and I’m sticking to it that Nat was kidnapped for something other than sex. Something that, perhaps, only she was qualified because she was a virgin. And all this talk about rape and gang rape is nothing more than more smoke to keep us from seeing the truth, Natalee’s truth.

      Justice for Nat

    77. 10061906 on October 12th, 2007 5:49 pm

      patti; If you want to paraphrase what I say is one thing, if you want to quote that is something else.
      “First you have Natalee dying in Kalpoes car while she is drugged and forced to perform oral sex on everyone. And then, you have her being raped by GVC and Joran at the beach and now you want to include this Croes kid with the glasses, too?”
      Where did I say that happened?

    78. Patti on October 12th, 2007 7:14 pm


      A couple weeks ago you were talking about this soft bone in a persons throat. Then you were talking about Joran and the Kalpoes possibly choking Natalee for added kicks… and she died that way.

      Now that you are pretty sure that Natalee was on the beach with Joran and GVC because of the cell phone evidence, you want to drag GVC and this Croes guy with the glasses into some sick sex act on the beach. When there is no evidence that she was raped at all.

      I believe that we know that the Kalpoes did drop Joran and Natalee off at the end of the road next to the Marriott near the beach. There was a phone call made from Joran to the Kalpoes and to his father, Paulus, who was already licking his chops at the casino earlier.

      So he gets on the computer and looks up overdoses, while the Kalpoes, thinking that Natalee would be taken to the hospital, clean out their car. We can assume that Paulus went to the area of the Marriott to help with Natalee and she was placed (as seen by a witness) into the back of a white truck, which I believe had the cage in it that was stolen earlier from the Fisherman’s Huts (also witnesses of a white vehicle).

      So what we have is a kidnapping. No sex on the beach and no gang bang.

      Paulus stops at Mc Donalds on his way home and withdraws money from his account using thier ATM machine… maybe to pay people off, I don’t know. And they have their virgin. Anita is called and returns from The Netherlands probably happy as a vulture and the games begin.

      I wonder, is she related to the Croes, as well?

    79. Patti on October 12th, 2007 7:41 pm


      I’m sorry. Maybe because I’m a woman, I don’t like all this talk about rape. But one point that you fail to understand is that Natalee was not for the boys, anyway… she was for the Lions.

      There are few people that regret what they did and believe it or not, Joran is one of them. He wanted to die the night that Natalee was being killed. GVC has lost his will to live, as well. He’s like a walking ghost knowing that he is responsible that a young, beautiful girl is dead and he went along with it. As a result, he and his father have a terrible relationship and I can truly say that he hates his father. He will probably end up dying young because of this and, if his father has any heart at all, he will experience the same pain as Beth, only worse; because he didn’t have the kind of relationship with his son that Beth has with her daughter.

      I’m not saying feel bad for these people… all I’m saying is that it didn’t have anything to do with them as much as it did with their fathers… The Lions. The sons were TOLD what to do.

    80. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 8:25 pm

      Well, I hope Beth and Dave never give up the hope. Scott Javins has been missing since May 24th, 2002. His mom called him at a party in town and he said he was on his way home. He nor his new vehicle had never been seen again, until someone called in a tip recently. After 5 years, his death has been ruled a homicide and his car was found submerged in the Wabash River today. Some are reporting a body in it, but that is not confirmed.

      VIDEO UPDATE 6:39 PM: Police confirm they have Scott Javins’ car; Investigation classified as a homicide

      Staff report
      The Tribune-Star

      TERRE HAUTE – Police have confirmed that the vehicle removed Friday from the Wabash River is Scott Javins’ car and Vigo County Sheriff Jon Marvel initially indicated that a body was in the vehicle.

      Using a VIN number, police were able to identify the vehicle, Marvel said during a news conference. Marvel also indicated during the news conference that a body was found in the vehicle. When pressed after the news conference, Terre Haute Police Chief George Ralston said police do not yet know if there are remains in the car. Marvel said police are classifying the investigation as a homicide and a deputy coroner was seen for a short time at the jail.

      Acting on a tip received by Sheriff’s Deputy Tim Gossett on a submerged car found in the Wabash River, police discovered a hatchback vehicle near Fairbanks Park. A silver “H” could be seen on the front of the mud-caked vehicle.

      Scott Javins went missing May 24, 2002. Since that time, police have investigated numerous tips and searched extensively throughout the Wabash Valley.

      Gossett contacted Merv Javins, who then called his wife Doreena. The parents were on hand with THPD and the Sheriff’s Department as the vehicle was taken from the river. After the car was removed, Scott’s parents were standing by the river, comparing photos of his Honda Civic Si with the vehicle, which was, at the time, suspended by crane about 3 feet over the river.

      The crane was used at the site, near the Terre Haute Family Y in Fairbanks Park, to remove the car. A hook from the crane was lowered into the river and divers connected the hook and brought up the vehicle.

      Bystanders numbering more than 100 are being kept back by police tape while they worked the scene.

      Divers attached straps in order to maintain the integrity of the vehicle prior to bringing it up and taped off a window.

      Police have taken the vehicle to a bay at the Vigo County Jail.

    81. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 8:26 pm
    82. benh on October 12th, 2007 8:27 pm

      patti 79 you talk ike you know these people do you,

    83. Carpe Noctem on October 12th, 2007 8:49 pm

      Would somebody quickly run to CVS and get
      her 30 day supply refilled. ty

    84. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 9:13 pm

      LOL Carpe..^

    85. Patti on October 12th, 2007 9:50 pm

      Very funny, Carpe…


      I read people. You can go to the forum and see more recent pictures of GVC… doesn’t even look like the same guy. And it’s a known fact that Joran was on suicide watch following up to the day that he confessed.

      If Anita doesn’t look like a vulture to you, I think her actions speak for themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that she knew that Natalee was being kept in that cage for over a week, in fact, I think she may have taken care of her.. the best a vulture could.

      And I’ve seen the pictures of the body in the bushes and you don’t have to be a genious to figure out what happened once you do a little research on the culture of the Arawak Nation.

      People don’t question their existence, but, rather they question whether it’s possible that they would still be practicing their rituals and traditions. But, we know that in this country, we have a group of people that still practice their religion in its’ purest form, even though they are surrounded by the most progressive culture around… the Amish. So I don’t think that what I am proposing is outlandish at all… nor do I think it’s crazy, Carpe.

      In my opinion, a person would have to be crazy to be looking at those pictures for nearly two years and not figure it out… but that’s beside the point. Dead give away… she’s wearing a loin cloth.

      The death of the man in the cave is what made me think about cannibalism. And, yes, human sacrifice and cannibalism is not only an accepted part of their culture it is also a regimented religios ritual.

      I told the family a long time ago, they have everything they need to know what happened to Natalee. It has all been supplied to them. The mysterious picture of the furniture truck, which I believe delivered the bodies from the water basin to those that had donated them. The Chicago Videos which shows not only what happened but that it is an accepted part of their culture. People are going about their business as if it’s no big deal. The police are simply there to keep people that don’t belong there… out.

      This is not something that a tourist could go to. If one were to come along, the police would simply say that this is a private festival and no one would know the better.


    86. Maggie on October 12th, 2007 10:45 pm

      There is no evidence of this

      Patti on October 12th, 2007 7:14 pm

      A couple weeks ago you were talking about this soft bone in a persons throat. Then you were talking about Joran and the Kalpoes possibly choking Natalee for added kicks… and she died that way.

      Now that you are pretty sure that Natalee was on the beach with Joran and GVC because of the cell phone evidence, you want to drag GVC and this Croes guy with the glasses into some sick sex act on the beach. When there is no evidence that she was raped at all.

      but there is evidence of this?

      If Anita doesn’t look like a vulture to you, I think her actions speak for themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that she knew that Natalee was being kept in that cage for over a week, in fact, I think she may have taken care of her.. the best a vulture could.

      3 guys go out after midnight where the MB girls were for what reason? It sure wasn’t to compare sewing notes. Only thing I ever saw men do that for was sexual reasons.

      Noone is even reporting Natalee was ever at the beach that night now. Not even the guy from Holland who did the show.

    87. Carpe Noctem on October 13th, 2007 12:39 am


      I was thinking something
      more along the lines of
      an ol’ buzzard. :)


    88. Carpe Noctem on October 13th, 2007 12:42 pm
    89. JusticeforNatalee on October 13th, 2007 12:46 pm

      Stop blaming everyone else, Aruba!

      It’s YOU who fouled up this investigation
      and with it your tourism.

      Don’t blame Beth.
      Don’t blame Natalee.
      Don’t blame Americans.

      It’s YOU who caused the boycott
      with your asinine mishandling of Natalee’s case.

      Why should ANY tourist want to visit your island when
      you have so little regard for truth and justice!

    90. elisabeth on October 13th, 2007 1:35 pm

      Vragen van het lid Leerdam (PvdA) aan de staatssecretaris van Binnenlandse Zaken en Koninkrijksrelaties over de zaak Natalee Holloway. (Ingezonden 12 oktober 2007)

      Kent u het bericht dat enkele leden van het Amerikaanse Huis van Afgevaardigden een verzoek hebben ingediend om een hoorzitting te houden over de rol van de FBI bij het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway? 1)

      Is al bekend of deze hoorzitting doorgaat en of oud politiecommissaris Gerold Dompig ook wordt uitgenodigd voor deze hoorzitting?

      Wat is de stand van zaken met betrekking tot de second opinion die het Korps landelijke politiediensten (KLPD) uitvoert naar het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway? Wanneer kan de Kamer de resultaten van dit onderzoek verwachten?

      1) refers to:

      questions asked by representative….etc
      1)Are you aware of an initiative of members of the Am. House of Repr. concerning an initiative for a hearing on the role of the FBI in the Natalee Holloway case
      2)Is it known if this hearing will take place, and if Dompig is invited.
      3)When can we expect a report on the second opinion procedure of the KLPD in Aruba

    91. elisabeth on October 13th, 2007 1:42 pm

      These questions were recently asked in the Dutch parliament, any one knows of this hearing in the House?
      SM: There is no such hearing in the House. The Amigoe/Bondia article is incorrect and should be retracted. It’s based on an online petition and has no facts behind it. (klaasend)

    92. elisabeth on October 13th, 2007 2:13 pm

      Well, at least an answer will come to the last question on the KLPD activity.

    93. Carpe Noctem on October 13th, 2007 2:32 pm

      … and now here he is ladies & gentlemen…

      The last of the truly great

      Dutch super heroes!


    94. brie on October 13th, 2007 3:59 pm

      Carpe, that’s funny. Lol. Joran, the Davey Jones of Aruba..somebody needs to put him a locker alright!

    95. Maggie on October 13th, 2007 9:03 pm

      Carpe lol..old buzzard works for me..

      An update on the story above I posted. This has been a big story for 5 years. Scott Javins was the old child his parents had and they worshipped him. He was a 20 year old ISU student. He was 15 minutes or so from home in town at a party when his mom called him and he said I am on my way home. For 5 years there has been so many searches, some feared he was car jacked, due to the new vehicle he drove. His parents have been on national news trying to get any tips they could. They had a shrine in his bedroom of pictures of him and never touched anything in his room. The mom said every year they bought him a new Christmas tree ornament for him and they continued to do that after he was gone. He said I’m on my way home only to be never seen again in 5 years. Well today human remains were identified in his car they pulled from the River yesterday.
      I think everyone believed it was a homicide as it was out of character for him. I sympathize for this family’s loss, they loved their son so much, but at last I am finally glad they found him and have some answers.

      Terre Haute – Human remains found in a car pulled from the Wabash River are those of Scott Javins, an Indiana State University student who’s been missing for more than five years, authorities said.

      Officials going through silt and mud the car found a human skull and other remains. The remains are those of Javins, according to Vigo County Prosecutor Terry Modesitt.

      Authorities are continuing the forensic analysis to look for more remains or potential evidence.

    96. Maggie on October 13th, 2007 9:15 pm

      oops not old but ONLY!

    97. Patti on October 13th, 2007 11:16 pm


      Since when does three guys going out at midnight mean they’re going to rape someone? Where I live it happens all the time. Most people don’t even go out til 11 pm or later and the clubs don’t really start hoppin’ til after 11 or 12. Lots of girls and women stay out way past two and don’t get raped.

      Sometimes, people just wanna have fun.

      But, I know what you’re talking about. Joran was going out to meet a girl… but that still doesn’t prove rape he raped her… and the fact that he talked a couple guys into taking him to the club, doesn’t mean that they raped anyone, or had an intention to rape anyone, either.

      I don’t think you know men as well as you think you do. The rapists… they’re in the minority.
      SM: Here is a link to the AM Digital article dated June 4, 2005 where it is reported that ALL THREE HAD SEX with Natalee. Are you saying that Natalee wanted to have sex with them? There is no way Natalee wanted to have sex with them and THAT is why it’s rape. It’s kidnapping because Natalee expected they were going to take her back to her hotel since Joran had said he was staying there himself. (klaasend)

    98. Patti on October 13th, 2007 11:44 pm


      But, I know what you’re talking about. Joran was going out to meet a girl… but that still doesn’t prove that he raped her… and the fact that he talked a couple guys into taking him to the club, doesn’t mean that they raped anyone, or had an intention to rape anyone, either.

      One more thing… usually, if a guy is going to meet a girl, he would go much earlier. There’s a saying that if you haven’t picked up a girl at a bar by 11, it’s not going to happen. And I can see where that’s true, cause the people that go to the clubs later, really aren’t looking to meet someone, they just want to have hang out with friends, drink and have fun.

      Without a body, there is no proof of anyone raping Natalee…none. Even if they’re the biggest swingers in town and have had multiple partners 50 times, doesn’t mean they had sex that night.

      In my opinion talking about raping Natalee is just more of the same rumor mill that was started in Aruba by three people that we know were lying.

      Natalee was kidnapped!
      SM: Patti – on June 4, 2005 it was reported in the Aruban paper that THEY had sex with her. Do you think Natalee would willingly have sex with 3 strange men? I don’t and that’s why I say it’s rape, kidnapping and either murder or disposal of the body because it would show evidence of forcible rape. (klaasend)

    99. Patti on October 13th, 2007 11:54 pm

      Was this reported by any other newspaper? Or do we have copies of the statements where the three of them said that they had sex with her?
      SM: It was only reported in that newspaper that I’m aware of but soon after it was reported, they started wrongly going after the security guards. We do not have copies of statements to that affect and I would suspect if there was a statement, it has probably been destroyed. Just like the torn up statement of Joran’s that Beth saw on Jacob’s desk.

      I’m wondering why you are defending JK2? (klaasend)

    100. Patti on October 14th, 2007 12:12 am


      I’m not defending them. I was not aware of anything, anywhere that said that they had admitted to having sex with her. The only thing that I knew of was the condom story, the witness that said he saw the car by the racket club and the rumor mill or name calling in Aruba. I was not aware of this article.

      And I just told you why I feel this way, and it has nothing to do with defending J2k…

      Quote from Above:

      In my opinion talking about raping Natalee is just more of the same rumor mill that was started in Aruba by three people that we know were lying.

    101. Patti on October 14th, 2007 12:28 am


      What that means to me is that it’s hurtful. To speculate the rape and the things that may or may not have happened during the rape is damaging to Natalee’s image, in my opinion.

      The article that you posted is a picture of them searching the area where the rocks are and that was on June 4. We know that Natalee was not there, otherwise, she would have been found tied to that rock, in plain view.

      Therefore, she was alive on June 4th and probably on June 5, 6, and possibly the 7th. Where I think she was is in that cage at the Sloots compound, being held against her will…


    102. Patti on October 14th, 2007 12:46 am


      No matter who is right or wrong or in-between

      I will always have the utmost respect for you.

      I will never try to hurt you, discredit you or

      do anything to damage the image of Natalee or

      her family.

      We all have our own opinions and opinions can

      sometimes come between people, but I hope that

      they never come between us.

      SM: I couldn’t do the job I do on this site if I let disagreements get to me. Have you read Beth’s book yet? (klaasend)

    103. benh on October 14th, 2007 1:42 pm

      IN my opinion the BEACH of ARUBA is MOST BEAUTIFUL when it is EMPTY,which it appears to be all the time.

    104. Carpe Noctem on October 14th, 2007 5:08 pm

      Hang in there Nat and family.

      You are always in our thoughts.

      We love ya. ;)

    105. Carpe Noctem on October 14th, 2007 5:46 pm

      An important timely message

      for Rudy Croes.


    106. Maggie on October 14th, 2007 9:23 pm

      Where does it say Natalee was in a cage for 4 or 5 days and Anita was taking care of her? Why if someone harmed Natalee would they tie her to rocks in plain view?

      I didn’t say guys going out after 11 are looking to rape someone,,, If you can find where I said that please show me. I said for sexual reasons. Rape is not a sexual reason, it’s about control when someone tells you no.

      Rape is damaging, talking about lions coming after Natalee and keeping her in a cage for days with Anita isn’t or drinking blood and eating people?

      This isn’t about where any of us live. The club was closing at 1 am and locals know that. Joran had called Jaimie that evening according to Jaimie and asked him around 6 something to go out to CnC to meet some MB girls. This is before he met Natalee that night according to Joran. He then calls Deepak to go meet some girls, about a half hour before closing time. This after he told them he was a 19 year old tourist staying at Holiday Inn and that Carlos n Charlies was boring on Sunday night. They said they were surprised to see him. Kalpoes cleaned their car and showered to chauffeur Joran around?

      As for rape.. Joran said Deepak raped her, Deepak said Joran raped her.. Karin Jansen according to Beth said this is a sex crime, involving Joran and at least 1 of the Kalpoes. Steve Cohen said 2 of the boys had sex with Natalee and he expected them to be charged with rape and murder. What about all the explicit sex talk Joran told Natalee’s family the first night? Even describing her underwear and private parts? Along with the explicit sex talk about the beach. Doing things to Natalee while she is falling asleep and waking up. We done this 20 times before, and Deepak saying they have all been in the same room having sex with tourists before.

      I have been married for going on 26 years years and raised 3 sons, they all said the same thing when they first heard this. They got rid of her to shut her up so she couldn’t tell.

      Rape might be a minority, but it happens much more than anyone knows. Over half of the rapes go unreported. Women don’t want to go through everything they are put through, when they do talk. They like the girls who say no. That’s the challenge.

    107. 10061906 on October 14th, 2007 9:33 pm

      Patti: I don’t know anymore about Natalee’s disappearance than anyone else posting here. If anything Klaasend is the pivot point for information. Any speculation about Natalee has been based on what I have read concerning her disappearance and the fact that you would have to be a complete friggen’ idiot not to be able to see that there has been a coverup to protect some Dutch Nationals and others.
      Look I did not question or arrest Joran or Deepak or Satish or Paulus or Geoff or Guido or Freddy or Steve Croes or Koen or Sanders or Lorenzo or AB. There were/are two factions concerning this case. Those that were seriously trying to solve it and those that took that evidence, destroyed it and derailed the investigation. The fact that the last three seen with Natalee have not been prosecuted for the offenses that they have committed is evidence enough for a cover up. The fact that Joran as part of his release was that he had to stay on Dutch Territory is sufficient for my opinion of a cover up and that the Van der Sloot’s were given preferential treatment in Aruba. You have to be stuck on stupid if you think that New Amsterdam (New York) is still Dutch. He violated the terms of his release and gave everyone the bird while doing it.
      What I have tried to do is present some scenarios and have serious open discussion along what I posed. I didn’t say she was cremated, I did not say she was shot, I did not say she was thrown down an air shaft, I did not say she was buried in a crypt. I did not say that Rene was responsible for burying Natalee, I did not say Geoff had hidden cameras at the HI, I did not say she was subjected to “Something Dreaming” etc etc etc. What I did say was that in my opinion (IMO) this is what could have happened based on what I have read over the last almost 29 months. Let’s put things in prospective…..I don’t know. I am just an antagonist. I try/tried to stimulate some thought that that would perhaps force an issue.
      But here is what I do know.
      Number one
      Four left Carlos and Charlie’s
      Joran, Deepak and Satish made it home
      Natalee did not.
      It does not take rocket science to deduce they did something to her and that there were others involved. If not where is Natalee.
      Number two:
      She is not buried in the Lourdes Grotto near San Nicolas as Shango’s clues intimate.
      That location I know was checked and Natalee was not buried there.
      Other than that I don’t propose to know anything and never did: period. And esspecially I never ever said as you suggested that Natalee performed oral sex…..That was your Freudian slip.

      PS Klaasend the pop ups seem to have gone away ?????

    108. brie on October 14th, 2007 10:58 pm

      Joran has done this 20 times before…raping tourists on their last night..member of the pimp club…nothing new..but this time everything went wrong…Natalee had a reaction to date-rape drug….Joran knowing he gave it to her was guilty…..she died…and he disposed of her body with help!!!!

    109. brie on October 14th, 2007 11:13 pm

      Nothing like being aware of a troll!! It’s so obvious! Someone offending all of the posters!

    110. Patti on October 14th, 2007 11:19 pm

      Well, I think it boils down to one thing. We each have our own inclinations about what may have happened. I tend to think that the eye-witness statements carry alot of weight. If that’s true, then there was a white Suzuki seen at the Fisherman’s Huts that night, as well as a white truck seen on the beach near the Holiday Inn where there were three men putting a woman’s body in the back of the pick-up. The fact that there was a fisherman’s cage reported stolen that night leads me to think that it’s possible that Natalee may have been put in that cage in the back of the pick-up.

      The telephone call to Paulus and his going on line around three in the morning looking up information on overdoses, as well as the phone call to the Kalpoes makes me believe that Natalee may have suffered an overdose.

      The fact that she is not found at the rocks on June 4, 5, or 6 when that area was searched makes me think that she wasn’t there. It was not until later that she was killed at the rocks. That along with the fact that her body doesn’t show signs of being out in the hot sun for very long and what I perceive as very little if any decomposition, makes me think that she was held somewhere for about a week before she was killed.

      The logical explanation, concernig all three things at the same time, is that she may have been kept in that cage. I can’t tell you who took care of her or who her capture were, but the fact that Paulus was out after making those searches on his computer, at 4 in the morning makes me thing that it was him that may have taken Natalee.

      I am not the one that said anything about cutting off her head in the bathtub. Joran’s little brother did. I’m not the one that talks about Natalee as if she were in my house and was seen enough to know what color underware she wears, Anita did. And, I’m not the one that prevented the police from coming onto my property to search for evidence of Natalee either being there in the present or the past, Paulus did.

      As far as the Arawak Indian thing. If you look at the Chicago Video of the body in the bushes, you will see a young woman who died tied to a rock. Both hands were tied above her head and both feet were tied below her. She was tied faceing the rock. One arm was cut loose and is at her side. It looks like half of her arm was cut off. She as three wounds. One to the right arm, while her left arm is still in the position that it was when she was originally tied to the rock, over her head. The second injury is a large cut made to the heart area, from the back and is a massive hole cut to remove the heart, imo. The third injury is a small cut that was made at her waste area on the left hand side. Ofcourse, she also has rug burn and bleeding at her feet where it is obvious that she was fighting to get loose from the bondage. The only thing that she is wearing is a loin cloth.

      Now, if you do the research into what groups would perform such a heinous deed, you come up with one that fits perfectly with the region of the world that this took place. It is not I that did those things to her, but I have a pretty good idea of who did… and why.

      I think that sometimes we become offended by other people’s opinions and conclusions and instead of attacking the people that are truly responsible for the act, we want to kill the messenger.

      The only thing that keeps me going on this is the fact that if, indeed, these ritual sacrifices are taking place in Aruba, it needs to be stopped. Beth says that she can live with the agony of losing Natalee if she can save a child and I think that if possible if people would just look past what we consider the norm and realize that there are people in the world that are completely different from us, with different religions and different customs.

      We have talked for over a year and a half about the number of women and children that are shipped to Aruba, given papers illegally to get them there. We have talked, extensively, about the trafficking of over 800,000 people a year that vanish into thin air and how Aruba is one island that is on the course of these smuggling lines.

      All I’m saying is that, as much as it’s okay for you to have your opinion, I should also be entitled to mine. And just as much as your’s seems the most logical, mine seems logical to me,as well.

      And, please, don’t think, for one minute, that I take some kind of sick pleasure into suggesting the type of death that Nat may have suffered, but if it happened that way, we need to accept it and have it further investigated.

      If there are a group of people that are kidnapping young boys and girls to sacrifice to their gods, we need to know about it and do our best to stop it.


    111. Patti on October 14th, 2007 11:29 pm

      Take another look at that article:

      Do you see what Natalee’s family were thinking

      happened to their daughter…

      the same thing that I’m suggesting…

      SM: That’s because Natalee was kidnapped, IMO. She got into the car with JK2 with the understanding they were taking her back to her hotel. Joran had told the MB kids that he was staying at the hotel. Natalee thought she was getting a ride back. They didn’t take her back to her hotel, that is kidnapping. (klaasend)

    112. 10061906 on October 14th, 2007 11:39 pm

      “Well, I think it boils down to one thing. We each have our own inclinations about what may have happened. I tend to think that the eye-witness statements carry alot of weight. If that’s true, then there was a white Suzuki seen at the Fisherman’s Huts that night, as well as a white truck seen on the beach near the Holiday Inn where there were three men putting a woman’s body in the back of the pick-up.”
      I should not bring Guido or Geoff into the picture, even though they were both arrested????
      Guido owned a white suzuki and Geoff owned a white pick up. Three males were seen placing a woman in the truck.
      OK how about Joran, Geoff and Guido???

    113. 10061906 on October 14th, 2007 11:46 pm

      Here is one more possibility. Natalee being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
      What if:::: Paulus, Joran and Van der Straaten wre skimming the casino via Guido.
      Natalee finds out and they feel she won’t keep quiet. Guido heads for The Netherlands to avoid the casino revenge. They want him back under the guise of a murder charge.
      One of the remaining three are forced to kill Natalee while it is filmed and photographed.
      Now the mob has something over them and have to provide some service back including repayment.
      Hey its off the wall but>>>>>>>>

    114. Patti on October 14th, 2007 11:47 pm



    115. Patti on October 15th, 2007 12:02 am



      You know the facts, I know what I feel.

      Guido was definately involved in this,

      from the very beginning.

    116. Patti on October 15th, 2007 12:15 am


      I still think that this had more to do with finding a virgin. It was rumored, and I’m not sure that it’s true that Natalee spent some evenings before that Sunday night in the casino.

      It may be that Guido, was the man that set up the sell/purchase of Natalee to the Sloots… with GVC and his father supplying the video, a preview to be looked at and inspected to be sure that Natalee was the one they wanted. Do we know whether her move to the main floor was after her encounter with Geoff, at which time, he found out that she was a virgin?

      I wish I could find out if there is some sort of passage that is celebrated upon an Arawak’s graduation. You know like a passage into manhood where a virgin would be needed and possibly sacrificed.

      I think Paulus was there to make a purchase and then Joran was told what to do to capture Natalee with Geoff and Guido’s help.



      I think that if there were any X rated filming, it was done after she was captured and moved to the Sloots. There is a possibility that she was moved somewhere else, because of the media. At which time, I think there may have been a rape.

    117. Patti on October 15th, 2007 12:33 am


      The reason that I say that is because Natalee is having a good time at C & C’s. She dances with Joran; I don’t think that she has any idea of anything going on good, or bad at the casino or the hotel. I don’t think that she has any indication that she was being watched or anything.

      Everything was pretty normal until she met up with the Sloots in the casino. And even then, she would not have known anything about why Joran and Paulus was being catered to by the casino with free chips and everything. But she was being set up.

      I don’t think she realized it until she was on the beach with Joran, and I think that he hit her in the head to knock her out. I’ve always sensed that she had a head injury. It was as if Joran said something really weird that made her want to run, and he hit her in the back of the head.

      I don’t know if a head injury could bring on or increase the symptoms of an overdose, but everything didn’t run as smoothly as they thought it would.


    118. Patti on October 15th, 2007 12:48 am


      I’m going to go to bed, now. I spent half the day at the hospital. I haven’t been feeling well.

      My nineteen year old daughter, my daughter-in-law and my wonderful 2-year old grandson spent most of the day with me. My sister was kind enough to come over at 7am to take me to the hospital.

      My baby, Boo, the two-year old; crawled up in bed with me and took a nap. He kept saying “Grandma has a owwey, bad” and he told be he loved me and spent most the day curled up beside me. I had to have a cat-scan and all kind of tests… but it looks like everything is okay.

      I got roses and a couple get-well cards already and it warms my heart to know that I have true friends and family that really care about me. My daughter was almost in tears, when she first found out, but, as most parents always do, I told her not to worry, everthing would be alright.

      I think I need to become more active again. I used to walk alot and I have a full gym upstairs, but haven’t been doing much with it for the past couple years.

      How sad it is what happened to Natalee, but we also have our own families to think about… and I want to be around when my grandson grows up.
      I’m telling you this because I know you have had health issues, too. And I know that you will understand.


    119. Carpe Noctem on October 15th, 2007 8:37 am


      Rape is damaging, talking about lions coming after Natalee and keeping her in a cage for days with Anita isn’t or drinking blood and eating people?

      Maggie, I think Patti was parroting back something
      that I said once with the following line.

      For the record, I never said:

      “Anita was EATING PEOPLE.”

      I simply said, from the looks of her,

      she’d already et a few! ;) LOL


    120. 10061906 on October 15th, 2007 11:15 am

      yes I do know. two major surgeries and 4 times in the hospital for almost 50 days and over 20 gallons of antibiotics. Yes it was scary and there were times I thought I would never get home. And it was my own body trying to kill itself. There was no cancer. It has been a year since my ordeal started. I have scars from 5 drain holes, two incisions sixty staples and a reconstructed stoma.
      This is the best I have felt in 10 years and I am very thankful to be alive. There were at least 4 times I should not have made it.
      I have and even more so cherished life. The fact that Aruba has gotten away with murder goes against my grain to high heaven.
      We will find out what happened and bring Natalee home.
      You take care of yourself. Don’t be afraid to go to the doctor like I did and then it was almost too late.

    121. Maggie on October 15th, 2007 8:45 pm

      lol Carpe…

      It’s pretty easy to determine Natalee was kidnapped. She would never left her family without saying where she was going for over 2 years now. Telling someone something false to get them to go with you would be kidnapping IE: I am a 19 year old soccer player/student from Holland staying at the Holiday Inn.

      I also believe that Guido provided a false alibi for Joran on the night after Natalee went missing. The day Guido was released, Joran called him and talked to him on his sister’s phone in Holland.

      Never was much of a Shango fan, always figured he should be charged as well if he had serious knowledge and only played mind games. For those that are..that’s ok.

      I believe Natalee was taken out to sea or cremated, more than likely. No body, no case. I remember Joran making the statement.that he was the last person with Natalee. Now how did he know that, if he has no inside knowledge?

      He has tried to adjust his story to the facts as they become known repeatedly.

      I also believe Freddie know’s what happened. If this group of boys have been doing this stuff for awhile, they all have things to use against each other for leverage. I thought that was a threat when it was said. Satish touched a girl with a car. Joran doesn’t say I should kill you,. He said I should’ve killed you. I also remember the MB student who said Joran and one of his friends almost got in a fight and he broke it up. Joran acts like the type who always has to be the one in control or else. However I don’t believe the Kalpoes are innocent either.

      As for sacrificing……..

    122. Patti on October 15th, 2007 10:05 pm

      #119 – Carpe:

      That’s just plain silly. You know as well as I do that I don’t take anything that you say seriously… If you ever said, that I don’t remember, just as I don’t remember what you said last week. Half the time, I don’t even read your posts and seldom do I look at your links… they’re nonsense.

      Most of what you are is sirens and whistles… alot of name calling with very little in the way of facts or truth to offer anyone. You had Brie thinking that it was Deepak that said ” If they find the girl, they’ll see that shit” and it didn’t matter to you, in the least, that she misquoted him over and over.

      I came to the conclusion on my own. As much as you’d like to take credit for everything that goes on around here, the world does not evolve around you, much less Scared Monkeys.



      I don’t care what you believe one way or the other. You, just like everyone else, have a right to your opinion. I just hope that we find out what happened and I don’t care who is right or wrong, just that the truth about what happened is revealed and Natalee comes home.

      As far as the Kalpoes are concerned, I thought that it would be nice, beings that they were involved in this thing in the beginning and Deepak has already said that Freddy told him what happened; it would have been nice if they would have come here and talked.

      I never said that they were innocent. But, remember a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty and to prosecute and incarcerate an innocent person for something that he didn’t do is not justice, but, rather an injustice.

      {{edit}} (klaasend)

    123. Patti on October 15th, 2007 10:47 pm

      I think that when we do find out the truth…


    124. Carpe Noctem on October 16th, 2007 10:12 am

      Who lit up

      Miss Puff ‘N Stuff’s

      candlebra? Whoopdey Dooey!

      Thanks for the edit, Klass.


    125. Maggie on October 16th, 2007 3:48 pm

      Why is it that you can tell us when our posts are good or bad and if anyone says anything about yours ,disagreeing, you make it personal and have to cuss them out?

      For example, this is just one of them:
      I don’t think you know men as well as you think you do. The rapists… they’re in the minority.

      Where did I ever say the majority of men are rapists?

      Noone on a blog can convict someone with their opinions and send them to jail innocently. Only a judge or a jury can decide to send someone to jail. There is nothing honorable that any of these people have done involved with Natalee that night or since then. One wrote a book that failed, the father sued the govt and lost and the Kalpoes sued Dr.Phil. They want big bucks, but they want it to be a 1 way street and not provide documents, the court has ordered. As Arlene said maybe they don’t understand our system. Over 2 and half years of nothing but lies and deceit.

      Aruba wasn’t ready for Beth and Dave.

      Carpe keep up the good work with the videos and pictures.

      As for the edit, I don’t engage in that.

    126. Patti on October 16th, 2007 7:13 pm

      Maggie #125

      The edit had nothing to do with you. ((edit – klaasend))
      I assure you, the edit is nothing to get upset over. It had nothing to do with you, personally or otherwise.


      SM: I’m getting real tired of the attacks back and forth between you and Carpe and Maggie – it needs to STOP NOW.

      Maggie – the edit had nothing to do with you.

      Carpe/Maggie/Patti – please stop arguing with eachother


    127. 10061906 on October 16th, 2007 9:19 pm

      klassend: This shows the frustration level in not knowing what happened and where Natalee may be.
      If that is how we feel; how do you think Dave and Beth feel?

    128. Carpe Noctem on October 19th, 2007 12:58 pm


      Will do Maggie, and thank you.

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