Missing Man Gregory van der Biezen Drown in Aruba; However His Body was Found


A 35 year old man, Gregory van der Biezen, went missing in Aruba after he went body Aruba_map_Boca Grandiboarding with his son near Boca Grandi after hurricane Felix passed over the island. After initial search efforts failed, authorities resumed the next day and the police found the body of the man in the water.  Boca Grandi is located near the island’s eastern tip.

The unfortunate drowning of this man does once again bring up an obvious point that seems to be lost or conveniently avoided by so many when discussing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. If one simply just drowned in the ocean, they would have been found. She would have either washed ashore or would have been found in the water. Gregory van der Biezen’s body was found even with the rough seas and undercurrents following Hurricane Felix. Why would the rules of nature be so different for an American teenage tourist as opposed to a 35 year old Dutch nurse in Aruba if as so many have claimed Natalee simply drowned? The fact of the matter is, this is what would have occured if someone had simply just drown.

Amigoe, Sept. 4, 2007: Missing man drowned: Rescue workers searching for the missing Gregory van der Biezenoccurred.

ORANJESTAD – The 35-year old man that was missing since Sunday after he went body boarding with his son near Boca Grandi has drowned.  The body of Gregory van der Biezen was found on the beach near Grapefield yesterday morning.

After hurricane Felix passed over Aruba on Sunday, the sea was still pretty rough in the afternoon.  Due to the heavy undertow, the swimmers got in trouble right from the beginning and decided to go back home.  But Gregory van der Biezen didn’t manage to get back on the beach and disappeared in the water.  The authorities were notified and the police and Warda nos Costa searched for the man.  Also a helicopter was mobilized.  But they had to quit the search, because it got too dark.  The search action was resumed the next day and the police found the body of the man in the water.  Gregory van der Biezen was a nurse on the medium care-department of the Horacio Oduber Hospital.

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    118 Responses to “Missing Man Gregory van der Biezen Drown in Aruba; However His Body was Found”

    1. JusticeforNatalee on September 5th, 2007 10:53 am

      Aruban girl reveals drugging at C and C’s:


      link courtesy Klaas and SM

    2. Pearl on September 5th, 2007 12:57 pm

      How sad that a young person cannot feel safe because they know that criminal acts will not be punished, and that their safety will not be insured and protected.

      How sad that young girls are victimized and that the legal system does nothing to end their torment, and protect them.

      It seems that what’s being said here is that the culture in Aruba is to allow the drugging, kidnaping and gang rape of tourists, because a common practice is to target young tourists to Aruba, on their “last night” before they leave the island, just as Natalee was targetted on her last night in Aruba.

      If drinking cannot be deemed safe in Aruba, and clearly, the culture is that drugging drinks and practicing strategies of when to attack a defenseless tourist – are simply a common practice on the island of Aruba, where the issue is about – WHAT IS PUT IN THE TOURIST’S DRINK, and not anything the tourist could have controlled when they become the TARGET of CONDONED CRIMINAL CONDUCT, then HOW can any tourist of drinking age, be safe in Aruba?

      If drugging the tourists is the common condoned- by-polis practice, then how can ANY DRINKING OF ANY KIND OF SUBSTANCE ( WATER, ORANGE JUICE, SODA, ALCOHOL) BE SAFE IN ARUBA?


      If there is a practice at Carlos and Charlies that offers “free drinks” thus, luring young people to “drink” alcohol, whereby they are then BLAMED for their own victimization, when – the REAL ISSUE is that their drink was DRUGGED, and they could have been drinking H20, for that matter, and STILL could end up being targetted by criminals whose lewd criminal acts are condoned and COVERED UP by CORRUPT POLIS OFFICIALS, then the issue is that there is a condoned CRIMINAL PRACTICE, allowed for by corrupt Aruban polis whose respone to the victimization of gang rapists is to denegrate the victim, subject her to unscrupulous barbaric comments, and blame the victim while CREATING AVENUES – BLOCKS OF TIME, THAT ALLOW THE PREDATORS TO ERASE EVIDENCE OF THEIR SAVAGERY, WHILE USING DIVERSIONS OF FALSELY ACCUSED BLACK MEN, AS A MEANS OF BUYING TIME FOR CRIMINALS TO ERASE ALL FORMS OF EVIDENCE, REHEARSE THEIR LYING ALIBIS, AND PRACTICE THEIR LIES.

      Not only was the savagery that was inflicted upon Natalee AND her family barbaric, but so too was the depravity of those ALE officials whose job it was to defend and protect Natalee, to uphold her human rights, who instead chose to desecrate her good honorable name and character, to slander her, and to allow the depraved conduct of savage criminal acts executed upon Natalee – to be erased, while criminals were allowed to exterminate NATALEE so that her family would NEVER find her, never bring her home, never get to bury her, or say their final goodbye to her.

      This is the savage, uncivilized, cold-hearted cruel and barbaric truth of Natalee’s story and it can never be erased!

      They cannot crush her little voice, they cannot silence her powerful truths.

      This poor child begs to be set free and to go home to her family.

      Now it is time for Aruba to find a conscience, and end this brutal victimization of their daughters – OUR daughters, our precious children, our beloved Natalee.




      Justice for Natalee Holloway!

    3. Susan on September 5th, 2007 1:01 pm

      I wonder if anything else will wash up from Felix’s fury?

      Dumping Natalee’s body in the ocean could have been or possibly is just another false lead.

      At this rate, we may never know :-(



    4. Vicki on September 5th, 2007 1:10 pm

      what if they put Natalee in the MoKo behind the sloots house..or in a mine…the flooding should bring it up..Dear God..to even say this…it breaks my heart…and as Im sure you all know, LIERUBA got hit bad as you can see noone from there is posting….

    5. LilPuma on September 5th, 2007 1:13 pm

      We can’t be sure that Natalee’s body wasn’t found and many believe it was. But she didn’t “just drown”. Deepak told Joran that “if they find the girl, they’ll see that sh!@.” Perhaps they did and to protect Joran, Paulus and those who run the Excelsior and Carlos & Charlies, she could not be released to her family. Why aren’t the Arubans who defend their country challenging this sham of an investigation?

    6. LOUIS BREITBACH on September 5th, 2007 1:21 pm


    7. Miss-Underestimated on September 5th, 2007 2:36 pm

      SNIPPETS from Aruba
      Stories of Aruba life and history by Aruban Charles Croes.
      Moderator chaleco111 25 60 Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:18 pm

      Is this the same C Croes?
      SM: Yes, that is the same Charles Croes (klaasend)

    8. Vicki on September 5th, 2007 2:41 pm

      #6-what girl????

    9. Charlene on September 5th, 2007 3:47 pm

      What ever happen to the bones that were found???

      #6 – what girl?????

    10. 10061906 on September 5th, 2007 4:17 pm

      IMO: Natalee’s body was deliberately made to disappear to avoid a ferensic autopsy.
      Check here for reasons why;

    11. Vicki on September 5th, 2007 4:28 pm

      1906, Can you please email me at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com. The last email was compromised..I need to speak to you. Thanks..

    12. 10061906 on September 5th, 2007 4:39 pm

      Reasons why was she made to disappear and the cover up conceived?
      Because of deliberately inflicted body injuries.
      The location of the crime scene.
      To protect the number of influential persons involved.
      Hiding an ongoing epidemic game of drugged gang rapes.
      Method used to dispose of the body:
      Cremation; but two many persons would be involved and it would involve moving the body.
      In the sea; a boat and additional persons are
      needed and again moving the body.
      Disposal in an abandoned mine or mine air
      shaft; therefore only the guilty party would be needed and disposal could occur almost immediately after the crime was committed and with the minimum of effort.

    13. joe bear on September 5th, 2007 4:54 pm

      i think she was found and rehidden.many people defend their country,while hating elements of the people in power.i hope she is returned and some justice is served

    14. observer on September 5th, 2007 5:20 pm

      Sounds like the same beach as the bloody mattress was found..They determined within hours that it was Dogs blood and no way related to Natalee Holloway..Hmmm…Who has a history of killing Dogs in Aruba besides Joran Van Der Sloot and Lorenzo Van Rijn??

      However they launched a huge search in that area and also in Savaneta from a anonymous tip. Awemainta newspaper even reported Natalee was dead. Next day they said it was a mistake and was a 17 year old boy. Where is that Bloody Mattress?




    15. Janet/Tamikosmom on September 5th, 2007 6:04 pm

      Those who drown in Aruban waters are returned by the tide to provide a measure of closure to loved ones … except an eighteen year old American citizen named Natalee Holloway who was last seen with the son of a wannabe judge with connections.

      Julia Renfro
      LA Times
      June 4, 2007

      “I’ve spoken with all of the suspects,” she said. “I don’t believe any of them did anything to her.”

      Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts later given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculates. She might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised in a CBS interview last year.

    16. Maggie on September 5th, 2007 6:15 pm

      The main reason he was found was because there wasn’t 3 “guys” and a father meeting somewhere the night he disappeared saying if they have no body, they have no case. They also didn’t have 3 “guys” and a “father”(I saw father loosely) making up stories that the guy was dropped off somewhere else on the island and 2 men approached him. Why was he found? Because it was an accident, because noone had the need to lie about the circumstances surrounding what happened, and because noone was trying to cover up what really happened. I’m sure if Natalee’s fate was an accident, we would’ve known right away too.. Funny this guy washed up and some are still trying to say Natalee died of an alcohol overdose and was just washed away. Lovely fairy tale ending, too bad some people live in a fairy tale world.

    17. brie on September 5th, 2007 6:21 pm

      Paulus would know being a lawyer how to destroy DNA…..prolonged time in salt water….if TES does find Natalee in the sea…the skull would still be a means of identity and could show any injury to her skull…a fisherman’s cage was reported stolen…who else would want a fisherman’s cage, outside of another fisherman, she could of been placed there and weighted down to the bottom. Joran’s friends have access to boats. And Guildo had the pick-up truck. They also knew that no one on the island could search to that depth.

    18. Carpe Noctem on September 5th, 2007 6:28 pm

      12 – 1006 says:

      Reasons why was she made to disappear and the cover up conceived? Because of deliberately inflicted body injuries.

      Right! No way in H. E. plus two hockey sticks
      it was a li’l simple drug overdose! The
      body would be here. What the Kalpoes and the
      Vandersloots are going through now is
      hell on Earth. That is good thing too,
      because they are lying, seething, hating,
      misogynistic pieces of $hit that could use
      a hollow tip or eight.

      There is NO WAY they would have
      chosen this path if it
      could have been avoided. This will
      haunt and track them everywhere they
      go for the next 25 years.

      (see more at Martha Moxley
      & Michael Skakel)

      DNA samples that would send someone to jail.

      Would anyone care if the Kalpoes were thrown
      in prison? ANSWER: No, they are worthless
      little cowardly sacks of protoplasm. Most
      people would not give two hoots if the Kalpoes
      were found TEN TOES UP in a dumpster tomorrow.

      They contribute nothing to life,
      they are maggotts. No one would
      cover up anything for them.


      Joran! No matter how many times
      investigators try to look in different directions.
      All roads lead them back to the innocent teenage girl butchering VAN DER SLOOT family.

      Joran and his poor excuse of man of a father.

      The bewilderingly impotent and always DOPEY Paulus Vandersloot!

      I know a psychopath in Aruba
      that lives on a hill…

      He won’t do it, but his
      rapist son Joran will.

      I know a fat Dutch b*tch

      that lives on the block…

      Anita be dressin’ kinda funky

      with a pink and black sock!

      -Tube Snake Boogie ZZ TOP


      -Justice 4 Natalee!

    19. Allan K on September 5th, 2007 7:26 pm

      Where is justice for Natalee where there is no doubt Joran, Paulus either raped, murdered, or sold her into sex slavery.

      Joran will tell all with ready. Paulus I will do anything to protect my son.

      These people have no conscious or remorse nor half the island that knows what happened. By the way to hell with Aruba.

    20. Maggie on September 5th, 2007 7:41 pm

      Janet, don’t forget Dompig’s statements on 48 hours last year.

      One of the most persistent theories clouding the case is the notion that her body was dumped out at sea.

      But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

      Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

      Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

    21. Mary Ann on September 5th, 2007 7:55 pm

      I’m not sure any of you are familiar with Aruba, but this poor man was found on the north coast of Aruba very far from where Natalee was supposed to have gone missing. A completely different current and certainly a competely different beach. It’s easy to be so sure of yourself when you have no idea what your talking about. I have been watching this website since Natalee’s disapperance and have seen nothing but ignorance and hatred. I would guess that most of you are born again christians or very involved in your religion. I have also seen no signs of Christion belief in your actions. It was horrible what happened to Natalee, but blaming and entire country for this seems very over the top. My husband and I have been going to Aruba for more than 30 yrs. and I think we have a much more rational look at this then most of you. I will continue to go to Aruba, as we love the Island and its people. Maybe it would serve a more useful purpose if you would get more involved with all that’s happening in the USA. Burying yourself in hatred does nothing for anyone. Prehaps you could start doing good for anyone and that would give Natalee Halloway really justice. I believe that everyday is a day that the lord has made, LET US REJOICE IN IT!!! Get over your hateful feelings and do something positive and the world will be a better place,I think that Natalee would subscribe to that.

    22. brie on September 5th, 2007 8:10 pm

      Well, I don’t believe the police radar..I don’t believe the police….they probably weren’t monitoring anything….how do all these boats come and go transporting drugs….and even if they did know…they wouldn’t say! Also, it doesn’t mean that Natalee was dropped into the sea that night….Koen’s boat goes in and out of the water all the time…Croes party boat stays in the water….and Lorenzo has a hot shot cigar boat…now you see it now you don’t…they wouldn’t just thrown Natalee in the water…unless it’s was the opposite side of the island where the sharks are feed daily to keep them away from the beaches…but Paulus would of pulled off the most difficult way to find Natalee…

    23. Richard on September 5th, 2007 8:26 pm

      I don’t for a second believe that statement of the Aruban police … that they have accounted for every boat in the water that night. I don’t think they could have even if they wanted to … and I’m sure that they could have been “influenced” to omit certain boats.

      Note also that there is no mention of the PLANES in the AIR that night … a very easy way to get Natalee off Aruba, either concealed in a case or with her hair dyed (or a wig) and with different clothing.

      I wonder if anyone had anything against this person who drowned … or, perhaps, “drowned.”

    24. Richard on September 5th, 2007 8:29 pm

      MaryAnn, if you had gone through the ordeal that the Holloway Twitty family has gone through, perhaps your feelings would be different.

      Most of us don’t have strong feelings about the Aruban people, per se … but we have very strong feelings about their government.

      Unfortunately for them, they have to pay the burden. Well, part of the burden anyway; it seems to me that the Holloway Twitty family is paying one hell of a lot more.

      Pity you don’t mention them, isn’t it?

    25. Richard on September 5th, 2007 8:30 pm

      And believe me, Mary Ann, most of us DO want to make the world a better place.

      Starting with Aruba. To wit, no justice for Natalee, no tourists for Aruba.

    26. Maggie on September 5th, 2007 8:43 pm

      Great MaryAnn! what was your name yesterday. Just what we need someone speaking religion and calling people ignorant. The only truly ignorant ones I see is the ones who keep comparing a country the size of the USA to a country the size of Aruba..and one’s who keep changing their names to make it appear they are someone they aren’t, the ones who come to Natalee Holloway and Aruba thread to talk about other crimes. If this site is so awful then why do you come here daily for 2 years to read? Here you are the Christian calling people ignorant and telling them to forget Natalee.

      They showed on 48 hours where they took a body 2 miles out repeatedly and it came back to shore where Natalee disappeared. Oh and right… Natalee washed away in the water drunk.. based on 3 known liars testimony who said they were at the beach. Anyone else see or hear or find any evidence they were at the beach? Nope,,not one thing.

      Keep going to Aruba another 30 years (yeah right) and if something happens I hope someone shows up to tell you to worry about other crime and forget your victim.. Maybe tomorrow you can be Ginger.. Mary Ann needs time off to bake her coconut pot pies.

    27. Carpe Noctem on September 5th, 2007 8:56 pm

      Mary Ann your last post was full of
      so much bullchit, I had to unload a full
      can of Renuzit to get the effing smell
      out of the room.

      It depends on how you define hatred. I
      think Aruba treating Natalee’s family
      like criminals is hatred. Letting
      the last three known to be with her
      go without extracting the truth from them
      first is HATRED. Especially THE FACT
      TOGETHER perp stories that matched and
      do not conflict.

      Protesting against Natalee’s mother
      was HATRED.

      So you keep going to Aruba, and having
      a grand ol’ time, ya hear? When Joran
      and the Kalpoes behead you with a
      fishing machete and cram you down
      in a crab trap, and sink it
      to the ocean floor with rocks.

      I’ll be saying a little prayer for you.

      fok die beach

    28. brie on September 5th, 2007 9:02 pm

      I think Natalee would subscribe to finding her…..and serving justice….God didn’t put us here to kidnap, rape, murder, cause unbelievable grief and heartbreak to a very loving family….and watch people smile and smirk over the whole tragedy….a missing child is the worst thing in the world…”Thou shall not kill”…

      If people like drugs, crime, cover-up, corruption, death by drunk drivers, theft, etc….then I guess Aruba is your place….!!!!

    29. Carpe Noctem on September 5th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Aruban police … that they have accounted for every boat in the water that night.

      Me either. Richard. Dompig couldn’t find his
      pud with a 3D MAP, a spotlight, and a GPS
      turn by turn direction unit!

      Dompig lied about be able to track
      all ship activity. Gerold has no
      credibility. He potato gunned it
      out the window after he went back
      on his ‘BOYS ARE GUILTY AS HELL &
      ALL OVER THE ISLAND’ interview.

    30. brie on September 5th, 2007 9:10 pm

      And yes, Natalee could of been removed from the island by aircraft….they don’t monitor that either…because is doesn’t work….

    31. Allan K on September 5th, 2007 10:21 pm

      Mary Ann you need a reality check and help with your personal problems. I could not stand to meet many christian’s like you. I guess you think its ok if Aruba drugs and rapes our children as long as you are attending church. Thats just not right. I guess thats your more rational look than me.

      Now you want me to leave Aruba and Aruba lovers alone like you. Thats a really good plan of yours for Natalee’s justice, leave Aruba alone.

      Mary Ann if you are a Christian you really need to look at what you are supporting.

      Maybe it would help you if you get more actively involved with whats going on in Aruba instead of burying yourself into religion and giving me guidance.

    32. Allan K on September 5th, 2007 10:24 pm

      Mary Ann you need a reality check and help with your personal problems. I could not stand to meet many christians like you. I guess you think its ok if Aruba drugs and rapes our children as long as you are attending church. Thats just not right. I guess thats your more rational look than me.

      Now you want me to leave Aruba and Aruba lovers alone like you. Thats a really good plan of yours for Natalee’s justice leave Aruba alone.

      Mary Ann if you are a Christian you really need to look at what you are supporting.

      Maybe it would help you if you get more actively involved with whats going on in Aruba instead of burying yourself into religion and giving me guidance.

    33. disgustedmom on September 5th, 2007 10:30 pm

      Maggie…”Maybe tomorrow you can be Ginger.. Mary Ann needs time off to bake her coconut pot pies”

      Carpe…”Mary Ann your last post was full of
      so much bullchit, I had to unload a full
      can of Renuzit to get the effing smell
      out of the room.”

      Hysterical! :)

    34. disgustedmom on September 5th, 2007 10:32 pm

      Now for something not funny….Joran is a soccer player….he loves to kick things….shoes are missing….so is Natalee with very possibly an injury to her head.

    35. LilPuma on September 5th, 2007 10:45 pm

      I don’t read hatred on this blog. I have read anger, frustration, sympathy, empathy, and a desire to get the people of Aruba, or Dutch authorities, to bring Natalee Holloway home to her family with the knowledge that those responsible for her disappearance will be brought to justice. I’ve read about people wanting to do all they can to help other families of missing persons as well. Now I have read hate on sites that call Natalee a drunken slut and Beth a money-grubbing scammer. The kind of hatred that blames a woman’s rape, murder and disappearance on how much she had to drink. I choose to post here instead.

    36. Waterboy on September 5th, 2007 10:49 pm


      So what witnesses do we have? Quite true, we have the three. They know for sure. We have the gardner, we have the jogger, we have the dude who said he saw Joran swimming a body out to sea. (How ridiculous). And then, and then we have Junior. I always believed Junior. Sorry monkeys, Natalee is in the landfill, Dave Holloway was right. Junior was telling the truth ( well partly) Junior really thought he was telling a canard. The truth was there, he just accidentally told the truth.

      Who else do we have as a witness? For sure there are those who know. Papa Sloot knows, mama sloot knows, Joran knows. I know (not), and now you know, because I have told you so.


    37. joe bear on September 5th, 2007 11:44 pm

      let us return NAH,not fight.We all want Natalee back

    38. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 12:00 am

      Hey, Mary Ann,

      Nice try.

      Don’t try to tell us what to do.

      Natalee will have justice when the perps are in jail.

      Now, stop with your pathetic attempts to get us to move on.

      We are here for the long haul.


    39. Ray Wood on September 6th, 2007 2:10 am

      Hey, Mary Ann,
      Your name will go my no tears list. I have donated money to the search effort for NATALEE,
      But if you become a crime victim on the island
      of Aruba ,I will donate not one penny to search
      for YOU.
      The only way I would set foot on that island
      is as part of a search team looking for NATALEE.
      Only a selfish jerk would keep going to Aruba.

    40. Vicki on September 6th, 2007 8:34 am

      Maryann belongs to the church of Obama and his Rev wright…get real…The hatred that is forth coming is from LIERUBA…get it

    41. Dusty on September 6th, 2007 9:06 am

      I agree with you number 10.It was a govt coverup.THE BOYCOTT ROLL’s ON!!!

    42. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 9:48 am

      Mary Ann,

      Knock off the hate accusations. You are being ridiculous.

      Those of us supporting Natalee DO hate the crimes against Natalee, the corrupt investigation, the trashing of Natalee and her family, and the continued stalling and denial of justice.
      And we are proud of hating such heinous things.

      Why don’t you stop writing fake tourism reports and go tell
      Joran how truly hateful it is to drug a nice young woman in order to take advantage of her and ultimately take her life.

    43. Esther on September 6th, 2007 10:02 am

      People: Buy a ticket and go to Aruba and find Natalee if you want justice!

      MaryAnn,God bless you..

    44. 10061906 on September 6th, 2007 10:06 am

      A few excerps from Joran’s book:::
      While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that MAYBE COULD BE.
      Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.
      Joran van der Sloot
      Arnhem, april 2007

      Very strange signed Paul instead of “Dad” or “Vader”
      Hi Joran,
      The request to end the case related to you has been denied, with as reason that the prosecutor has made it plauible that the case is being investigated in abundance. A pitty, but stay calm and keep concentrating on the good things like your school, friends and family and writing your book. Keep working on yourself to strenthen your positive sides.

      Can anyone see through this statement as to what is wrong with it?
      You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not recover and that we have left her on the beach. I don’t know what to answer on this, because according to me I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.
      That Freddy has stated that we did not knew what to do when she did not recovered and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way.
      I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not understand well what I told him.

    45. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 10:32 am


      I wouldn’t buy a ticket, or even take a dump

      on that 3rd world, awful psychological experiment

      of a $h1t hole. Not even if I was payed

      6 figures. If I ever sent someone to Aruba,

      it would be because I wanted them dead.

    46. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 10:47 am

      #43 Esther

      Why don’t you tell the Aruban authorities to
      go and find Natalee? After all, that’s their JOB.

      Better yet, go ask Joran and Paulus where they disposed of Natalee’s body.

    47. dennisintn on September 6th, 2007 10:49 am

      the last i heard, a.l.e.’s job is to find natalee. not that i think they’ll ever be able to do it without having to prosecute j2k. something they’ve been conspicuously unwilling to do.

    48. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 10:54 am


      Aruba tries to avoid the scandal of
      an American tourist being killed on the island.

      Aruba corrupts the case and tries to hide the crimes against Natalee–which results in a LARGER scandal with even MORE damage to tourism.

      Not too late to turn it around, Aruba:
      J U S T I C E

      Until then:

    49. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 10:56 am

      American tourists will NOT continue to travel to an island
      on which an American citizen has been denied justice. Period.

    50. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 10:58 am


      I think Joran calling him Paul instead

      of dad is strange too. *but I read an article

      a few months back that said the Dutch

      are a bit different with their familial

      relationships. Sometimes it may make them

      appear a little cold and aloof.

      *I read it, but I don’t know
      if that’s the truth. I believe
      the article was on Expatica.

    51. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 11:08 am

      He needs those sporting shoes

      shoved up his O-Ring sideways,

      no ticky, no lubie, no crime.

      friggin’ idiot. pocks on that bastad.

    52. disgustedmom on September 6th, 2007 11:17 am

      “Not many people know about the old WELL at Roger’s Bungalow(s)”…I posted that before after finding it somewhere else I can’t find the link to anymore.

      Does Paulus know about it? Does this well have anything to do with Mr. Lago/Captain Rodger of the old Lago Colony? Where was this man’s original Bungalow down there in Lago Land? If there’s a well there, no doubt it’s old old old (1930′s era) and not in use anymore. And as wells were not popular on Aruba even back then (water hauled in) well (no pun intended) could there be an old well in that area of the Lago Bungalows that Rodger ran? I mean, hauling in drinking water is one thing, but wells may have been used for other uses of water.

      I don’t know Rodger’s last name, but as Aruba goes, surely he’s related to someone of today. ;) All I could find out about him was that he was an avid fan of soccer. But even if he’s not related to anyone of today’s importance on Aruba, it might still be a great, little known place to drop a body or 2 or 3….maybe 4 if the well has been out of use for many years (decades going on a century) and unknowable to most as to even its existence much less it’s location.

      Aw, but what good would it do to even know this IF it were true? ALE is not going to do anything about it.

      Don’t know if the suggestion of an old well down there is near the place where it is said is private and can’t be accessed by just anyone. And I can’t recall off hand just now any more about this private place down there near the old Lago Land. Maybe some of you can remember and fill me in?

      I’m really curious about the concept of an old well being a disposal place for a body…at least a body nobody wants found, not the ones they murder and leave in caves etc as a warning.

      Paulus didn’t want Natalee to be found. No body, no crime. That means to me, as it does to most of us on here, that there was something ON the body that would have shown evidence of a crime committed against Natalee and that ‘something’ was not going to go away after she was deceased.

      It could have been something as simple as drugs in her system that would have been questionable as to how they got there, but I don’t particularly think so because they’d just blame that on Natalee and get away with it quite fine. I’m thinking more like the toe print of a size 14 K Swiss tennis shoe on Natalee’s face and maybe other places on her body as well or the marks from a tazer gun to subdue her, or maybe both….something they couldn’t blame on a partying tourist.

      I’m not real keen on the tazer gun theory since that could have been blamed on anyone even an unknown person- even though there was mention of a gun. So I’m going with the soccer ball kicking sporter because Joran is no team player in life and soccer is probably his sport only because of the release of anger he gets from kicking.

      Joran was probably high on drugs, used to playing soccer on the beach, he lost it when Natalee passed out from being strangle raped and his first impulse was to kick. He was done and wanted to go home. Natalee was not able to give him what he wanted so he could end his night like the other 20 times…so he kicked her with his now- missing shoes.

      Now why did Joran have one shoe of a pair at his house? The one the cops found that opened the door to questions about his shoes in the first place? He wore that one home so he could use one good foot and ‘toe’ on the other one while he walked on ground that would cut his feet. Joran said his leg hurt and he couldn’t play tennis the next day…how about not his entire leg, but just a lot of sores on the toe and ball area of one foot? If you cut your toes up pretty good it would be painful to play tennis with those sores slamming about in your shoes. And maybe he even hurt his leg kicking Natalee.

      So do I think this happened on the Marriot Beach area? No, of course not. And I don’t believe Joran walked all the way home with one shoe on. He got a ride from somebody after walking quite a ways with one bare foot.

      Anyway, those are my thoughts for the day.

    53. Pearl on September 6th, 2007 12:12 pm

      J4N, Maggie and all you blessed monkeys: Hold steadfast to hope for Natalee and for her family!

      You warriors for Natalee’s truth are indeed the guardians of her justice!

      Oh, and Esther and Marianne, I have only two sentences for you:

      READ GRETA’S LIPS: “We’ve been on it since the beginning, and WE’LL BE ON IT TO THE END.”

      Greta Van Susteran


      Justice begins IN TRUTH!




    54. Pearl on September 6th, 2007 12:37 pm

      Observer and Tamikosmom:

      Excellent observations!

      Yes, Observer …


      Maybe we should ask Gerold Dompig, the man with so many “beliefs” and “theories” about Natalee.
      Or perhaps if we can get Jacobs to put down the fork-lift he uses for a spoon, maybe he can tell us where the mattress is currently being “stored”.

      How about Van der Straaten?
      Would he have some press-releases to offer, about that mattress?

      Straaten afterall, had some immediate things to say about Natalee, immediately after she was reported missing, in particular, telling the media that she “could have come through ( the hotel) another way”, when he knew that not only was SHE NEVER DROPPED OFF, and therefore, could not possibly have “come through another way”, but that after reviewing surveillance tapes of the HI HOTEL, showing NO FAKE GUARD EXISITING AS BOTH JORAN AND DEEPAK DECLARED, AND HOTEL EMPLOYEES CONFIRMING THAT NO SUCH FAKE GUARD EXISTED, Van der Straaten’s next course of action was to arrest TWO INNOCENT BLACK MEN, who were USED to buy time to benefit unconscienable corrupt people while Natalee’s mother staggered to the ground, bearing a grief and torment that gives VISUAL DEMONSTRATIVE EVIDENCE TO THE DEPRAVED CRUELTY SHE AND ALL HER FAMILY WERE SUBJECTED TO AT THE HAND OF HIDEOUS CORRUPT CRIMINALS.

      Where is that Mattress, indeed!




    55. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 12:45 pm

      Hey, Aruba,

      Don’t be foolish.

      If you close this case without justice, the American media
      will expose the corruption and cover up.

      Then what do you think will happen to tourism?
      You got it. Bye-bye.

    56. Susan on September 6th, 2007 12:50 pm

      Carpe – You are to damn funny…LMAO!! I love your response to Mary Ann :-)

    57. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 12:56 pm

      Natalee’s case is no deep mystery.

      The only MYSTERY is how can so many officials
      on Aruba keep making dumb decisions regarding the case.

      What is WRONG with you? Justice for Natalee for crying out loud.

      Does Aruba want to be known as the place where they let the perps get away with murder? What do you think THAT will do to

    58. k on September 6th, 2007 1:14 pm

      Jmho, But I tend to think that many who come to this blog to extol the virtures of Aruba, tend to have a financial interest there. It’s called a Timeshare. And yes, I have traveled there. Would I have gone back before Natalee’s disappearance? Maybe,, but not even an option now.

    59. Esther on September 6th, 2007 2:29 pm

      Carpe : Ben jij Nederlands??

    60. Maggie on September 6th, 2007 3:48 pm

      Today Esther, yesterday MaryAnn day before Anise and SSE.. read the posts all the same thing, same person/group of people. Haven’t seen Anise or SSE ever since I brought out they both happen to refer to Jon Benet Ramsey as Jean Bennet. Easy to defend J2K, Paulus, Ale, the govt. people and the AHATA spokespeople when you are just as deceitful as they are. The come here for one reason, to try to make Natalee’s case seem unimportant, to talk about crimes anywhere in the world, but where Natalee disappeared, and to try and make everyone the bad guy, but the ones who harmed Natalee.

      Just read MaryAnn’s letter..

      Go solve other crimes and forget about Natalee and that will bring justice for Natalee.. How illogical is that statement?!

      Her entire letter is all about me myself and I.

      Nice she even speaks for Natalee..

      My guess would be Natalee would love to be returned to the family who loved and raised her for 18 years. Not a place that has slandered her and smeared her repeatedly after she was the victim of a crime.

    61. Vicki on September 6th, 2007 3:54 pm

      Carpe…you are the man…you are sooooooo funny in a horrible situation….

    62. Pearl on September 6th, 2007 4:03 pm

      Carpe! I bought my can of renuzit, and I’m ready!

      Keep up the great work, Monkeys!
      Natalee is counting on each one of you to bring her home.

      Justice for Natalee!
      Containment for PRISIONERS; NOT VICTIMS!!!

    63. Miss-Underestimated on September 6th, 2007 4:06 pm

      A few excerps from Joran’s book:::
      While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that MAYBE COULD BE.
      Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.
      Joran van der Sloot
      Arnhem, april 2007

      Rehabilitated???? That does not seem like the right word to me.

    64. Vicki on September 6th, 2007 4:30 pm

      Ms U- what the heck does…MAYBE COULD BE?? anyone?

    65. Micah on September 6th, 2007 4:33 pm

      JORAN: “I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that MAYBE COULD BE.”

      Why would the truth be potentially terrible for him? If Joran is as innocent as he claims, wouldn’t Natalee’s discovery be a relief?! It might exhonorate him and the Kalpoes, and would bring closure for Natalee’s loved ones! So why does Joran refer to it with dreaded speculation? Has he lied (again) and Natalee’s discovery would bring further trouble on him? If he’s innocent and told everything he knows, then her discovery should bring welcome relief… This is exactly why Joran SOUNDS guilty.

    66. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 4:33 pm

      Hey, all you Aruba Tourism hacks who think you are so clever and try to tell us to move on. It won’t happen until there is justice. So why don’t YOU get over it, get smart, and tell
      your authorities to tell the truth and punish the guilty.

      We are staying put and keeping the focus on NATALEE HOLLOWAY who was KILLED ON ARUBA.

      Get used to it.

    67. Pearl on September 6th, 2007 4:40 pm

      Miss U, I believe the word perhaps that Joran was searching for is the word: incarcerated, not rehabilitated.

      “While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that MAYBE COULD BE.
      Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.”
      Joran van der Sloot
      Arnhem, april 2007
      How true, that even if Joran were to be incarcerated, he still could go on with his existence that he calls a “life”, while a young 18 year old honors student with so much hope ahead for her future, will never be able to go on with any aspects of her hopes and dreams, will never be able to go on with her precious LIFE!





    68. mayan_moons on September 6th, 2007 5:11 pm

      I’m out of renuzit but i’ve got a can of OUST for all the vermin of Aruba who come here with their pathetic bs Carpe!

      Carpe is da man, working on all those you tube video’s to bring Natalee’s story to a much wider audience than Fox & CNN can do. Not everyone gets those channels so these video’s are a powerful tool. We all appreciate you Carpe!

      Great to see all the SM grrl’s posting today!~

      Every single one of you ROCK!~

    69. Miss-Underestimated on September 6th, 2007 5:27 pm

      Joran plays the victim in his book

      o woe is me.

      Anita and her lost camera
      o woe is me

      Paulus and his compensation
      o woe is me

      Kalphoes and their lawsuit
      o woe is me

      Yeah what did you do to Natalee and where did you put her?

      Notice how Paulus escapes all the perps statements?

    70. 10061906 on September 6th, 2007 5:36 pm

      I guess no one else picked up on it.
      Joran said that Deepak dropped him and Natalee off at the beach and they walk for a distance away from the Holiday Inn.
      He mentions no one other than himself and Natalee.

      When did WE get placed in this statement in lieu of “I”?
      “You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not recover and that WE have left her on the beach. I don’t know what to answer on this, because according to me I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.
      That Freddy has stated that WE did not knew what to do when she did not recovered and that WE then left her on the beach and that I left my sport shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way.
      I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not understand well what I told him.”

    71. Micah on September 6th, 2007 6:20 pm

      10061906 on September 6th, 2007 5:36 pm:

      Your point?

    72. Melle on September 6th, 2007 6:20 pm

      Rest in Peace Alex-boy, we already mist you in the team ever since you left the Netherlands, and today we heard the sad news.

      My thoughts are with his family and friends in this terrible time of sadnes.


      The rookie from Fire-department Amersfoort.

    73. Maggie on September 6th, 2007 7:11 pm


      That is like his prime time interview and the interview with Greta.. He says Satish never did get out when he came to pick him up. He stayed behind the wheel and yet on Primetime.. He says WE got in the car and WE were going home. Who’s we??? More big lies.

      Interviewer: Why would you forget your shoes? You said you weren’t drunk.

      Joran van der Sloot: I’d left them on the beach. I’d walked to the car. We got in the car. And right then and there, I couldn’t go back because we were going home.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did Satish ever get out of the car when he picked you up?

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. Never. He stayed behind the wheel the whole time.

    74. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 8:41 pm


      I think 1006′s point may be…

      There is another Joran lie
      to add to the heaping pile!

      He couln’t tell the
      truth if he had it lethaly
      injected into his veins.

      oh golly gee whillikers, paw…

      I dropped the girl at da beach,
      yes, and dat is de truth!


      You shouldn’t be treating girls
      like that Sporter!!! -j4n

    75. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 8:44 pm

      “…That she at a certain moment did not recover…”

      How on Earth can these punks be roaming free when there is a statement like THAT?!

    76. JusticeforNatalee on September 6th, 2007 8:50 pm

      Our inspiration: Natalee’s mother Beth

      “For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.”

      source: Decatur Daily
      courtesy: Tamikosmom

    77. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 8:57 pm

      mayan, disgusted mom,
      pearl, vicki, and susan…

      ty! back atcha, ladies. thanks for
      all u do. ;)


    78. 10061906 on September 6th, 2007 9:28 pm

      In his book. Joran says he and Natalee alone walked the beach. Everything about the beach is he and Natalee. He and Natalee kissed. He and Natalee made out. He picked up Natalee to go back to the Holiday. She wanted to be put down, stay and look at the stars. How could she when he admits Natalee was unconscious!!!
      Who now is the “WE”?
      Was that a slip? Was it deliberate to confuse?
      Was it a poor translation?
      Is he admitting there were others present and I don’t mean Deepak and Satish… and was it even the beach? That is my point.

    79. 10061906 on September 6th, 2007 9:34 pm

      Thanks SM for the link. I think it is worth reposting.
      It is only 115 pages and took about 6 minutes to print; just in case it gets lost somewhere.
      I’ve learned to make a hard copy; just in case.

    80. Carpe Noctem on September 6th, 2007 10:26 pm

      Yep, I’m glad u dug that back up, 1006.

      I picked up on that WE / I thing a few
      months back. I’d forgotten all about it!

      Good catch.

      He absolutely says *WE get back in the
      car and go home. (jvds home) In
      the same Greta Interview he
      claims Satish never exits
      the vehicle.

      Greta asks him to estimate the distance between
      the car and where Nat is on the beach. He quotes
      something pretty high, like two – three football
      fields away. In the dark??? As Greta starts to
      needle him, he gets flustered and starts a conversation about his sneakers that he’s
      wearing in the interview. He weasles his
      way out of the question, and Greta lets
      him slide.

      One of the really interesting notes about
      Satish picking him up sequence. A few times he simply says HE CAME WITH HIS CAR…

      …and here’s the dealie…

      The car is Deepak’s… Joran is having
      a brain fart.

      Hey Joran, you should put on your
      big boy ‘Special K’ helmet that mommy and daddy
      gave to you, to do those interviews!

      You need to better protect yourself.

      Keep it on a SWIVEL, dude. -j4n

    81. brie on September 6th, 2007 10:29 pm

      I think it all happened at Joran’s apt….!!!! The shoes…probably blood…..he did it!!!!But I’m sure there are witnesses….!!!! Koen and Freddy….!!!!

    82. Waterboy (Jerry) on September 6th, 2007 11:36 pm


      Your post # 52. I read it with interest. Are you saying they did find one shoe? I don’t know. I’m just asking. I always wondered where the shoe story came in, and quite frankly I never understood why the shoes were ever brought up. I thought at the time, that they would find Natalee’s body, and there would be shoe marks matching those found in the area, but that never happen.

      Could the hoopla over the shoes have been because there was evidence on Natalee’s body that matched Joran’s shoes? That is a possibility. I can see a person who would shoot and kill his pet dog, hurting and killing a small blonde headed girl. The mentality and psyche is the same.


    83. minnesota dad on September 6th, 2007 11:51 pm


      It has now been three months since the “two year mark” for charges to either be brought or dropped.

      Clearly, the KLPD has no intentions of dealing with Paulus Van Der Sloot and his crimes.

      I am ultimately amazed that an “arm” of the Dutch government would go along with the stall and use the legal system to cover-up tactics that Aruba/ALE have used.

      It has been nine months since the KLPD began “reviewing the case” (note “review” not “reinvestigate”). You cannot “review” a case that is full of ‘home cooking’.

      KLPD, come clean as the frauds that you are and release Paulus, Joran, and the 2Ks so that we don’t have to sit around for two more years while you “review the evidence”.

      Boycott Aruba and don’t drink Heineken!


    84. KrisG on September 7th, 2007 12:05 am

      Esther #43. Many people went to Aruba to find Natalee. TES was told to leave for disturbing turtle eggs. After everything was in place Dompig wouldn’t pick up the phone to get the final OK for a water search. Dave H searched in the dump by hand. The area he searched was backhoed in. Natalee’s family left in frustration and for their safety.

      Another brave woman who already had a cruise booked that included Aruba used her time there to hold her own protest by wearing a sign around her neck asking where Natalee is. Is that what you want us to do?

      How about inviting the FBI to lead the investigation and search for Natalee?

    85. Carpe Noctem on September 7th, 2007 12:28 am


      Esther on September 6th, 2007 2:29 pm

      Carpe : Ben jij Nederlands??


      Unfortunately no, but I did stay at a

      Holiday Inn last night.



    86. Carpe Noctem on September 7th, 2007 1:28 am
    87. Carpe Noctem on September 7th, 2007 1:43 am
    88. JusticeforNatalee on September 7th, 2007 10:29 am

      If KLPD goes along with this travesty,
      it will be a laughingstock with its integrity shot.

      Come on, KLPD.

      Show the world what you are made of.

    89. 10061906 on September 7th, 2007 10:30 am

      From Joran’s book.
      Why would he consider a statement like this unless he knows that part of it is true?
      Joran says that it’s also not impossible Natalee was kidnapped to be a sex slave in South America. But Joran says if that had happened he thinks she would have been murdered because all the publicity made her too much of a risk to her kidnappers.

    90. brie on September 7th, 2007 11:14 am

      10061906…why would Joran make a statement like that… well, he wants people to believe he left Natalee on the beach alone and someone kidnapped her…..I’m sure Paulus knows of many cases of kidnapping in South America…..but does anyone there even care if they know someone was kidnapped….

    91. 10061906 on September 7th, 2007 11:46 am

      I was keying in on the word murdered…..

    92. Carpe Noctem on September 7th, 2007 11:58 am


      1006, That kid is like a train wreck
      when he speaks. He cannot go sixty seconds
      without a contradiction. It reminds me of
      someone who said when OJ Simpson speaks,
      words drop out of his mouth like marbles,
      and go bouncing all over the floor. He
      just will not shut the…

      When telling a story, hey here’s a good idea – have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!
      -Planes,Trains, & Automobiles

    93. Carpe Noctem on September 7th, 2007 12:23 pm

      It’s FRIDAYYYYYYYYY everybody,
      enjoy your weekend. Yayyyyyyyy

      -Justice 4 Nat!


    94. Susan on September 7th, 2007 5:20 pm

      You are welcome, Carpe :-) Thank you for all the hard work you put into “you tube”, etc.! You be da bomb…LOL!

    95. JusticeforNatalee on September 7th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Just how many CELL PHONES and CARS
      were involved in Natalee’s case?

      Many more than we’ve been led to believe, I bet!

      Hey, Sander, how very CONVENIENT of you to have your CELL PHONE
      “stolen/lost, ” whichever lie it was.

    96. Arubaboy on September 7th, 2007 7:27 pm

      Maryann is right. At Palm beach the water pulls you out in the direction of the ocean. And Grape field (Boca Grandi) the water will always push you in the direction of land. Very simple.

    97. Maggie on September 7th, 2007 7:31 pm

      Deepak claims the night Beth arrived she told Joran she watched the camera and saw that Natalee didn’t return to the Holiday Inn.. so why did the cops pursue 2 security guards for the next week and not search the 3 last known people with Natalee? Oh and I would like for Joran,Paulus, Anita, Nadira, Deepak or Satish to name one thing they did to help find Natalee?!

      Deepak June 13, 2005 statement.

      I saw the mother of the girl for the first time. She was in the back of the car. Then I asked the man since when the girl was missing. The man answered me since that afternoon. At one point Joran came and stood with us. Joran looked into the car and asked the man in the car whether the woman in the back was the mother. The man answered him, yes. Joran walked to the mother. Joran asked her if she was the mother. The mother kept looking seriously at Joran and said, yes. Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn’t done anything bad to/with her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies and that they HADN’T seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed/said. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn’t believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her anyway possible to help her get her daughter back. Then we walked to the lobby. Joran went and stood with his father.

    98. Maggie on September 7th, 2007 8:23 pm


      You better take it up with this guy then and Dompig who presented it on 48 hours. This was done by the beach where Joran claims Natalee was. Like I said the only proof Natalee was ever at the beach that night is 3 known liars. No evidence she was ever there otherwise. Still they are lying, so why would we believe she was at the beach. Joran claimed lots of couples and people at the beach that night. NONE have came forward to see him, noone has come forward that seen or heard Deepak’s big loud car, none have come forward to see Deepak or Satish there, 3 fisherman at that beach on that night said they saw noone matching Joran or Natalee’s description that night.

      But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

      Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

    99. brie on September 7th, 2007 8:27 pm

      Your right Maggie….what have any of them done to help find Natalee..they’re idea of help….fok der bitch and blame the victim…!

    100. Frances on September 7th, 2007 8:44 pm

      If any of you were in Aruba right now, what would you do or look for or where would you start looking

    101. JusticeforNatalee on September 7th, 2007 9:05 pm

      No one saw Joran and Natalee at the beach.

      The crime scene most likely was the VDS compound.
      Perhaps that’s why KLPD was DIGGING UP THE VDS YARD.

    102. 10061906 on September 7th, 2007 9:42 pm

      If the ALE and a big if; would permit a search I would start at the mine air shafts in Seroe Cristal. Of course I would need a spotlight to look down the shafts. If a body were there and it was full of water; after decomposition the bones should float to the surface.
      I would then go to Lorenzo’s house.
      After ward I would go to the grotto outside of San Nicolas; and lastly the pet cemetery. Maybe though spend a little time in the St. Ana Cemetery and talk to the priest.
      After about two weeks I would probably leave; knowing that I tried. At least my attempts to find Natalee or her body were better than Aruba’s attempts.
      Theirs was a case of duck and cover rather than uncover and solve.

    103. disgustedmom on September 7th, 2007 10:51 pm

      #82 Waterboy….I wish I could find a link for you, but so many boards crashed, you know…but as I recall early on it was said the cops found only one shoe of Joran’s at his house and asked where was the other one. It was after that that the story of the missing PAIR of shoes began. That’s all I recall about it.

      There were a lot of things said in the early days that are no longer talked about. One of my favs is what Deepak said early on….if it was a lie, then I don’t understand why THAT lie is not talked about when all the other lies are still mentioned….what Deepak said (it was reported somewhere now missing in cyberspace) was that Natalee ran from the car because she didn’t like what was going on and Joran went after her against Deepaks suggestion he just ‘Leave the Bitch’.

      You’ll notice the ‘leave the bitch’ part comes back later as when Satish picked Joran up at the FH. Rest assured then because it resurfaced in a different context, it was said that night, but as an afterthought changed to she wanted to say on the beach no matter how hard Joran tried to make her go back to her hotel.

      That stuff Joran says about if Natalee were kidnapped and sold into sex slavery she’d be killed by now because she was too much of a risk with all the media attention….He gets that from reading the ideas people write on the internet..that theory having been discussed to death many times.

      Joran reads the internet postings and takes what ideas suits him as if he had a brain and thought them up himself. He’s done this so many times throughout this case it’s funny!

      Hence, we should assume Joran is a copy cat which makes me believe that whatever happened to Natalee was not his idea alone. Joran was capitalizing on an idea someone else had already played or thought up, IMO.

    104. Vicki on September 8th, 2007 1:57 pm

      #97- that statement drom Deepak was very telling…Joran says to Beth, I will help you anyway to get your daughter back..back from where???

      #100- I am with 1906…I would do exactly what he does…sometimes you must follow your gut instincts, I would also search the MOKO behind Urines house where he has thrown his dead dogs that were family pets…what a guy!!

    105. 10061906 on September 8th, 2007 3:07 pm

      I can’t remember if I posted this before;
      It is a good reference to the Lago Colony in the San Nicolas area of Aruba


    106. Carpe Noctem on September 8th, 2007 6:33 pm

      heya Frances #100

      I think I would take MD’s advice and

      develop verified & complete timelines for

      Paulus “My Son Is A Rapist/Murderer”

      Vandersloot, and also Steven Gregory Croes.

      There’s plenty of gold to

      mine yet in those hills!

      ****Why did Paul go back on his word,

      and say he was not at McDonald’s @ 4 on the

      morning Nat went “missing?” Multiple witnesses

      heard him say it. Why the need to lie?

      Oh yeah, one more thing…if he smirked at me,

      taunted me, or said “tut tut, such a pittttty!”

      I’d col’ slap silly knock a fart out

      that son of a b1tch.

      I’d be giving him the 800 hotline number

      to his dental plan.

      -Justice for Natalee! ;)



    107. 10061906 on September 8th, 2007 8:46 pm

      As a famous comic once said.
      God gave Joran a penis and a brain.
      Unfortunately he was given only enough blood to use one at a time.

    108. 10061906 on September 8th, 2007 9:03 pm

      Can anyone recall any news coming from Aruba concerning Natalee since Dompig’s defamation of Natalee’s character? She drowned after ingesting cocain. Is anyone down there working on a cold case? Of course not: not since Jacobs sanitized the crime scene and eliminated any evidence and made sure there were no loose ends. He is now off the case and stuffing his mouth with frosted flakes. Dennis; remember what happened to Mama Cass. RIP.
      Just what the hell is DeWitt doing. He looks impressive in his $300.00 uniform but does he do anything?
      Aruba must feel fairly confident that they have completely hidden any and all traces into the causes of Natalee’s disappearance.
      What about O’Rielly’s source of his information or was that his response to a wet dream experience?

    109. Maggie on September 8th, 2007 9:42 pm

      1006, I truly believe their strategy all along has been to drag it out and keep saying in 2 weeks we will blah blah.. Next month we will blah blah… Hold your breath for 24 hours..blah blah.. They want Natalee in the past like 2 years plus ago and quit talking about it. Then the whole plan all along will become complete. Dennis Jacobs and Straten took care of the rest over 2 years ago. They took care of it when Renfro came out with her big lie saying the cops said they have good solid evidence against the 2 guards and the other 3 are witnesses. I am so thankful for those who show up here and keep on their toes and let them know Natalee is not forgotten. Simply because that has been their plan all along. Even if it’s discussing police statements or interviews it keeps Natalee’s story front and center of what was done to a tourist celebrating her graduation in Aruba and was victimized on her last night and repeatedly going on 2 and a half years now. They knew right from the start, what happened to Natalee and they know who. I don’t know how they sleep at night or get up and look in the mirror.

    110. Carpe Noctem on September 8th, 2007 9:44 pm

      Dewitt has been pulling on his rip cord,
      and Jacobs is most likely lending him a
      helping hand.

      Loved #107. Who was it, George Burns?






    111. Maggie on September 8th, 2007 10:25 pm

      Just watched the Maddie MCann story on the Lineup with Kimberly.. and Dr. Baden said what he has found dealing with cases with the Caribbean.. they want these cases to get lost and go away. There concern is tourism and they don’t want it known a local murdered a tourist. Another woman on the same segment said .. remember Aruba, they want this to go away with Maddie, it hurts tourism. They focus on tourism and drag it out till there’s not a shred of anything for anyone to investigate left. They try to blame the victim and the family.

    112. Maggie on September 8th, 2007 10:26 pm

      lol carpe,,thanks always for the laughs.

    113. mainemonkey on September 9th, 2007 12:50 am

      Hi Monkeys. I keep coming back to scaredmonkeys hoping that someday someway the truth will punish the criminals, not Natalee,her loved ones, and all of us who care. Unfortunately, the cover up continues. It is so very important to keep advocating for the family of Natalee Holloway and all the other victims of kidnapping and murder. We are up against some very evil individuals and groups who condone extremely sinister conspiratorial crimes.
      It is so hard to believe that people could be that evil and cruel; so blatantly and publicly deceptive… for all we know, others could have fallen victim since. We have a case here in Maine where aspiring nurse, Kelly Gorham, went missing early August. Soon after, her ex boyfriend’s father hired a private investigator to appear On the Record with Greta and spin Jason Twardus’ innocence, mentioning that law enforcement should concentrate on Kelly’s former boyfriends who had violent tendencies. Well, it has come to fore that poor Kelly was found murdered and buried waay up the line on Jason Twardus’s fathers property in New Hampshire on the Canadian border. Even with this evidence, the boyfriend is still telling people he didn’t do it. Another young life has now been extinguished by a monster who thinks the public is stupid and gullible. In coming onto the scared monkey site, it is so clear that the people here have huge hearts that use their talents to bring the truth forward. Anytime I feel I might get jaded by all the evil in the news, all I have to do is come here and I feel better because there are so many people showing that they care. I know that the families of Natalee and other victims need to feel our concern very much. What an amazing job scared monkeys is collectively doing!

    114. Richard on September 9th, 2007 9:04 am

      It’s up to us to make sure that Aruba’s strategy (if you can call it that) of “deny, obstruct, and wait for the world to forget” won’t work. Vicki is doing a great job of accumulating info on when and where Aruba Tourism Authority is holding its tourism promotional events … let’s give her all the support we can.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

      We cannot let our commitment lapse.

    115. Richard on September 9th, 2007 9:09 am

      To those who think the sex slave idea is too outlandish to be possible: remember Amy Bradley.

    116. JusticeforNatalee on September 9th, 2007 11:04 am

      Hey, Aruba,

      Stop your stalling and blah, blah, blah-ing
      and DO SOMETHING. (Hint, Hint: Joran behind bars)

      Aruba, you cannot bluff or stall your way out of this one.
      You tried to pull a fast one and deny an American citizen justice.

      Your plan backfired and now the big bright spotlight is
      squarely on Y-O-U.

      Will you do the right thing and salvage your rep?

      Or will you continue to let the killers of Natalee Holloway roam free?

      Spend all the money you want on marketing. No matter what,
      your current ad features 3 killers roaming free with a complicit father who is trying to fly under the radar.

    117. ben on September 9th, 2007 4:44 pm

      108,, oreillys slander put a stop to this case.his statement was supposed to close the case.Why did he make such a statement.

    118. J on May 14th, 2014 4:28 pm

      I Miss my friend

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