Dave Holloway on Geraldo At Large … Seems Geraldo Back Peddling on Cocaine Overdose Story

 

Geraldo Rivera seems to be doing some back peddling on his original story that Natalee Holloway overdosed on cocaine. Funny how one changes their point of view when they are confronted with facts and the obvious, the police investigation. Also the fact that a date rape drug overdose would make sense as to why one would hide a body, not cocaine. Its also comical how Geraldo backs down from smearing Natalee Holloway especially when confronted with her dad, Dave Holloway.  

Geraldo: Let’s bring in her dad, Dave Holloway who’s on the phone from Mississippi. Dave believes that if drugs were involved, it wasn’t cocaine and Natalee didn’t take it voluntarily.

Welcome, first of all I want to apologize if our reporting or O’Reilly’s has caused you any pain or suffering but tell me, if drugs were involved, I suspect that you believe that it was the date rape drug, is that right?

Dave Holloway then points out the obvious which Scared Monkeys actually put forth as well when we first heard the ridiculous interview from Bill O’Reilly this past week.

Why would anyone make an accidental overdose into an international affair by hiding a body? Answer: They wouldn’t

But they would try to cover up an accidental overdose of XTC and an assault. (SM)

More from tonights interview with Dave Holloway on Geraldo at Large:

Dave: That’s right, I think they got their drugs mixed up. There was a whole lot of discussion about the date rape drug, the allegation about the cocaine is just ludicrous and false. Natalee wasn’t a drug user and there’s not a shred of evidence in the police files that would suggest any drugs at all were used. Certainly this information didn’t come from the Dutch police. Even Joran’s own lawyer, Joe Tacapino categorically denied this theory.

Aruba talking heads

Dave also referenced the misinformation campaign that is alive an well that operates in Aruba and elsewhere. Let’s also add to this list many on the internet, both obvious and some wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing.

Dave: Geraldo, there’s a group of people, individuals on the island, reporters, disgruntled Aruban police investigators and the privately operated tourism department that are engaged in a disinformation campaign in an attempt.  

Geraldo: And this is part of it Dave

Dave: Yeah, they’re in an attempt to minimize Natalee’s disappearance on Aruba’s image and tourism. Several weeks ago

More from Jaine Pirro reagarding the convenient smearing of a victim who is not there to defend themselves.:

This is about trashing the victim, we do it all the time. How dare somebody say she died of a cocaine overdose when we don’t have her body, nobody can prove that. Date rape drug makes the most sense, Mark you’re absolutely right. I believe that’s what happened. (more of the interview)



If you liked this post, you may also like these:

  • Daily Commentary – Monday, July 23, 2007 – O’Reilly Factor Reports “Credible Source” Information Regarding Natalee Holloway Case
  • Geraldo Rivera interviews Dave and Robin Holloway, and Beth Holloway Twitty
  • Natalee Holloway Missing in Aruba: John Q. Kelly on Geraldo at Large (2/24/08) … “I think they could arrest Joran Van der Sloot and prosecute him on a circumstantial case
  • I think it is a little bigger than even we expect as far as information I am getting right now.
  • Beth Holloway Twitty Says 3 Teens Know What Happened




  • Comments

    105 Responses to “Dave Holloway on Geraldo At Large … Seems Geraldo Back Peddling on Cocaine Overdose Story”

    1. nonesuche on July 21st, 2007 11:45 pm

      How badly does FOX need ratings than to play this shell game? Just one more leading indicator that cable news doesn’t even regard journalistic standards as important. There is no unimpeachable source on Aruba in authority, who does BOR think he’s kidding?

    2. windy city on July 21st, 2007 11:47 pm

      Thanks for the video! I wish Geraldo would get his facts straight before spewing moronic statements. I have never heard of a report of any Mt. Brook girls reporting tingly lips. If I remember correctly is was one of Joran’s “girlfriends” from one of the pimps statements.

      I know they are keeping the story alive but good grief!

      Even Mark G. thinks this whole new set of info is garbage. I think he’s trying to right the ship after defending Peterson. ;)

    3. ala_gunslinger on July 21st, 2007 11:51 pm

      Do I hear an ‘oooopppps’?

    4. Janet on July 22nd, 2007 12:00 am

      Geraldo … there was a time you upheld the Natalee’s family in their contention that a corruption Aruban investigation was denying their daughter justice. What changed?
      +++++++++++++

      Beth Twitty
      At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera
      September 11, 2005
      .
      BETH: … we were so shocked on Sept. 1st because even the Dutch interrogators that have knowledge of these statements, the lists of inconsistencies are there, the reasonable doubt is there. We were just truly shocked that the sudden release of these suspects. We just can not fathom how this has happened and how rape is not a crime within the Dutch government.
      .
      GERALDO: It is outrageous, Beth. I really didn’t know about those statements. You say there are more. You should really share them with me and I will, not necessarily now, but I will blast them, believe me. I TOLD YOU I WOULD BE THERE TO THE END WITH YOU AND I WILL BE. I think it is really retched, it really is. Save your strength. You know we love you. Courage. Regards to everybody. Really, call me with that data because I will use it, I will whack them with it.

      BETH: OK. Thanks Geraldo.

    5. Joanie on July 22nd, 2007 12:06 am

      I totally agree, Nonesuche – its all about ratings. At least old Geraldo was on tonight and tried to do damage control. Old arrogant Bill O’Reilly is no where to be seen. Its not the first time Bill O has inserted his foot in his mouth recentely. I saw him state that the Davis lady who was murdered(alledgly) by her boy friend, Bobby Cutts, deserved what she got as she knew he was violent and stayed with him. I almost had cardiac arrest after watching him say that. The next night, just at the end of his show, he made some statement about being musunderstood and then he laughed. A murder is NO laughing matter. I get the majority of my news from local on line sites as cable news can no longer be trusted. Bill O ESPECIALLY cannot be trusted. I hope Mr Holloway backs Bill O into a corner next.

    6. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 12:15 am

      I can’t image how Dave feels after O’rielly’s fiasco and then again with Geraldo. Listen to his voice. He is one cool, calm, southern gentleman. I don’t know if I could keep my composure under those conditions and I hope to God I am never faced with the same situation..
      Watching Natalee’s video I got such a chill in realizing that she probably is no longer with us and only gives me more desire to keep her name alive, find out where she is and preach the dangers of that Unsafe, Unholy Island.
      As I said many times before; I hope Aruba disappears and exists only as a memory in A Beach Boys’ Song.
      Do you think the apology could stay off a law suite?

    7. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 12:16 am

      They got rid of Imus get rid of O’rielly;
      Hire him as Aruba’s spin doctor but just get rid of him.

    8. MIss-Underestimated on July 22nd, 2007 12:17 am

      I have two questions for those who have the knowledge to answer.

      1. If TES finds Natalee, and the only crime that the Dutch can prove is disposing of Natalee, what would be the punishment? (I have a feeling this is may the Dutch may be setting up for not murder but disposing of Natalee )

      2. Can the legal counsel for the Holloways and Beth, press, to get information on Herrraldo and O’reallys RELIABLE source?

    9. MIss-Underestimated on July 22nd, 2007 12:28 am

      I am glad Dave went head to head with Hairoldo.

      Just like Mark said, Dave’s theory makes the most sense.
      Keep the fight Dave, we are all here to stand by and support you.

      STOP THE CHARACTER ASSINATION OF NATALEE

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY…

    10. Janet on July 22nd, 2007 12:38 am

      8 … If TES finds Natalee, and the only crime that the Dutch can prove is disposing of Natalee, what would be the punishment? (I have a feeling this is may the Dutch may be setting up for not murder but disposing of Natalee)
      Comment by MIss-Underestimated | July 22, 2007, 12:17 am
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++

      Disposing of Natalee Holloway without a qualified medical professional determining that she was actually deceased should imply a very serious crime.
      .
      http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/20/since-when-does-bill-oreilly-report-unconfirmed-factor-news-natalee-holloway-died-of-cardiac-arrest-from-cocaine/
      .
      21. Much has been said that she overdosed and the boys were simply with her and their crime was in not reporting the death and in disposing of the body. Well, without professional medical help involved, why would they be so certain that she was dead.
      Comment by John Reynolds | July 20, 2007, 10:41 am

    11. Brie on July 22nd, 2007 12:46 am

      I wonder what O’Reilly has to say for himself. Keep it up and Fox News, owned by Fox Entertainment Group, subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, won’t be able to pay the lawsuits. This was definitely a case of neglect of probability. And seen via cable to 40 countries. Catch a flight to Aruba O’Reilly and you can join their dirty mouth campaign.

    12. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 12:49 am

      I’m so glad Geraldo told Dave he was sorry…..

      He & BOR looked bothered saying all that chit like someone above said their body language shows them to be uncomfortable repeating & reporting that nonsense!

    13. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 12:56 am

      Yay i just saw the segment and like how everyone on the show tonight know whats what saying flat out that they are trying to blame Natalee and guess what Aruba?

      THEY ARE NOT BUYING IT…..NO ONE’S BUYING IT.

    14. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 1:06 am

      Miss-Underestimated:
      I’m no legal beagal but this is what I have so far.
      Also based on what I have read of Aruban law;
      Joe Tropicofcancer can represent any Aruban or Dutch citizen in the country where he obtained his license, he cannot go to an Aruban court to defend or be legal counsel in a criminal case on Aruba. He has to pass the Aruban bar examine. So why hang around Joe: What are you like Darth Vader; you could have done more good if you had chosen the side of THE FORCE behind Natalee.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

      Check out Jossy’s video.
      It mentions eight years but not specifically for disposing of a body.
      Since Aruba is mirrored from the Dutch system
      12 years for rape, 6 for domestic burglary, 9 for extortion and 4 for simple theft
      It would seem a lot of the sentencing is subjective by the presiding judge.
      Life for murder at the discretion of the judge.
      There is no capital punishment or plea bargaining.

      http://www.wodc.nl/images/ob205_full%20text_tcm11-5139.pdf

      To me what I can make of it is: If the prosecutor makes a better case then the defense and can prove a crime was committed; the term of the sentencing is left to the judge.
      Much like the rapes in Amsterdam where the defendents were given months in lieu of years.

    15. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 1:06 am

      DAVE is an amazing man and i admire him so much, this man deserves answers and the whole truth about what happened to his little girl.

    16. Brie on July 22nd, 2007 1:17 am

      Those guys have been around long enough to know what the outcome would be of repeating and reporting that nonsense. They did the damage…. and it was very disturbing, upsetting, bias and completely unnecessary. It discredited Natalee, a young American, whom we are very proud of.

      Been talking to Pasquera, O’Reilly???????????????

    17. Joanie on July 22nd, 2007 1:33 am

      Since Bill O stated that Natalee was a drug user, can he be sued? It would not be the first time. He has settled one law suit that I know of, out of court, for 2 million. I’m angry that he might possibly get away with this slander of this young lady. Then again; just the fact that we are discussing it here may make a difference.

    18. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 1:37 am

      It is very disturbing and even embarrassing that they reported that pack of lies calling it “bombshell news”.
      Atleast Gerardo redeemed himself somewhat tonight.

    19. buster on July 22nd, 2007 1:40 am

      Coming from a guy who changes his name from tomy rivers……
      Hey geraldo what was in capones vaults I forget ??? and then seeing Garagos made me wonder ……. is there a rock some where with a void underneath it ??? Good thing the spin stops here !!! fox news

    20. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 1:46 am

      I was watching the clip playing in the background of Dave & GR talking and it was footage of Jurine coming out of the jail headed to a car & he’s all sullen & upset with tears in his eyes. The way he was walking zombie like……was that footage taken on June 9th or 10th?

    21. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 1:47 am

      208 = Richard… (previous thread) CONCERNING A PROPOSAL BY DEETCH FOR LEGISLATION TO CREATE: NATALEE’S LAW
      ( see previous Natalee posts at previous thread)…

      Richard, I hope that all Natalee’s friends will unite together to advocate for NATLAEE’S LAW, as suggested by DEETCH, a man with more courage and integrity, with a passion for Natalee’s justice, than the entire ALE in ARUBA. This is not to discredit any good polis in Aruba who may support Natalee’s right to justice, but simply to raise awareness of the good ONE PERSON CAN DO, with something as simple as integrity in their back pocket.

      Deetch proposed the idea of NATALEE’S LAW, and in the previous thread, there are some suggestions offered on how such legislation might get off the ground and flying high over all the states throughout America.

      If our international friends feel passionately about the human rights of a child as something that is DESERVING of protection, and the right for NATALEE to COME HOME TO HER FAMILY, TO HAVING HER TRUTH TOLD AND HER JUSTICE HONORED, then perhaps they too would consider joining us in instituting such a proposal for legislation in their own countries, in the name of Natalee: NATALEE’S LAW.

      Natalee Holloway’s human rights were violated.
      Her family’s human rights were violated and Americans deserve the RIGHT to be INFORMED about the dangers that lurk in places like ARUBA, due to corruption and collusion within the very infrastructures that are supposed to HELP PROTECT AND DEFEND TOURISTS in times of danger and need.

      No such help was ever afforded to Natalee nor to her family. Americans deserve the RIGHT TO BE INFORMED OF THE TRUTH CONCERNING HOW NATALEE AND HER FAMILY’S HUMAN RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.

      NATALEE’S LAW could offer such information so that informed choices concerning travel, could be made by people who are aware of WHERE these egregious violations of human rights are being inflicted upon our American children – WHERE they are taking place.

      With the use of our consumer leverage, we can CHOOSE WHERE WE WANT TO TRAVEL, and in so doing, make VERY CLEAR TO THOSE NATIONS THAT THINK THEY CAN VIOLATE OUR CHILDREN, AND THEN PROCEED TO COVER UP THEIR DEPRAVITY SO THEY CAN PROCEED WITH BENEFITTING FROM OUR TOURISM DOLLARS – TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANY PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, RULES BASED BEHAVIORS, AND ALL OTHER STANDARDS OF A CIVILIZED SOCIETY, WHILE OUR CHILDREN’S HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BUTCHERED AND VIOLATED! Natalee’s law would provide tourists with the LEVERAGE we are entitled to in demanding that the HUMAN RIGHTS OF TOURISTS BE HONORED, OR OFFENDING NATIONS CAN DEAL WITH THE LOSS OF OUR TOURISM DOLLARS.

      OUR POWER IS IN OUR STANDING TOGETHER FOR NATALEE, FOR HER FAMILY, FOR ALL OUR CHILDREN!

      I truly do believe that numerous entities would join in support of such legislation that would incorporate American’s right to know about any acts of criminal assaults on our children that go unreported by countries like Aruba ( who are quite happy to keep Natalee as one of the “missing”, and therefore, they do not have to “COUNT HER” as one of the MURDERED AMERICANS victimized in Aruba.

      It’s time for Natalee Holloway TO BE COUNTED, Richard!
      It’s time for her voice to be heard.

      If family members, and friends unite together in this child’s name, I do believe awareness can and would be raised throughout America concerning THE TRUTH of WHAT happened to Natalee Holloway on the last night of her vacation in Aruba ( amidst all the OTHER EVENTS that happened prior to her being taken away from all her loved ones, before “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD” was INFLICTED upon her by the predators who took her life away – forever.

      Richard, I do believe that if parents of other missing children ( both domestic cases, and those with missing children abducted abroad) were to STAND TOGETHER WITH BETH AND DAVE, that NATALEE’S LAW COULD BECOME VERY POWERFUL LEGISLATION FOR CHILDREN EVERWHERE, AND PERHAPS BEYOND OUR OWN BORDERS.

      I also believe that numerous organizations would most likely support such legislation:

      - Sherrifs associations
      - Police officers organizations
      - teachers organizations
      - parents pta’s in schools across America
      - lawers organizations
      - judges associations
      - college sororities and fraternities
      - parents across America
      - ALL MISSING PERSONS ORGANIZATIONS
      - PARENTS OF ALL MISSING CHILDREN: BOTH DOMESTIC / AND ABROAD, UNITING TOGETHER TO DEFEND, TO PROTECT, AND DEMAND THAT OUR CHILDREN’S HUMAN RIGHTS BE RESPECTED THROUGH OUR PURCHASING POWER THAT ENABLES US TO CHOOSE ONLY THOSE PLACES TO VACATION – THAT RESPECT OUR CHILDREN, AND – THEIR – RIGHT – TO – COME – HOME – AT – THE – END – OF – THEIR – VACATION!

      Such legislation could provide tremendous support for BETH AND DAVE – IN AN UPCOMING ELECTION YEAR…AND, GIVE GREAT HONOR TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY!

      Richard, my hope is that perhaps we should allow Natalee’s friends and family members to take the lead on this as it would have great power coming from them, and my hope is that they do read here. Out of respect for Natalee, and for her family, I think we should defer to them, concerning this idea that came from a beloved friend to Natalee, who has never left her side – DEETCH.

      I think such a law as NATALEE’S LAW would be a fitting tribute to Natalee, would raise her beloved spirit for all to see, and the horrific suffering she endured as something that everyone can be informed of, in any future decisions people make about TRAVEL.

      The legislation could call for the travel industry across America ( internally) to NOTIFY Americans of advisories concerning human rights violations inflicted upon American’s abroad, that could be kept in a data base, nationally. Natalee’s name could be the FIRST NAME put on the LIST. The list could encompass the COUNTRY from which each victim was abducted ( alphabetized for easy access thru computers), and made available to the public.
      Travel agents would have to INFORM their customers of this data base, so that PRIOR to making any arrangements to travel, Americans can be informed and KNOW of places that are of considerable DANGER TO OUR CHILDREN due to such issues as beloved Natalee encountered that comprise CORRUPTION in police departments, rampant gangs running on the island that are permitted to DRUG, KIDNAP AND RAPE OUR CHILDREN, and then, MURDER THEM, DESECRATE THEIR BODY, AND STEAL THEIR REMAINS FROM THEIR BELOVED FAMILIES.

      AMERICANS DESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE INFORMED!
      And surely THIS CHILD DESERVES TO BE REMEMBERED!

      Let her suffering and her truths rise up and be told!
      I pray that someone in her family / or FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY, will take the lead on this initiative.

      It is the very LEAST we can do to give HONOR to this child, to her story, to her truths.

      Keep lighting the torch, Richard!
      You too Maggie!!! You are so on target, Maggie!

      1906 – YES! I think there are MAJOR DARTH VADER FORCES INVOLVED IN THIS HORRIFIC BUTCHERY OF A LITTLE GIRL”S HUMAN RIGHTS! Keep speaking out 1906. Natalee deserves to COME HOME!

      Miss U, and Mayan , Brie , Janet, gunslinger, nonesuche…you guys are AMAZING! Keep at it!

      Geraldo, you should be sorry for allowing YOURSELF, and BILL you owe the TWITTY -HOLLOWAYS AN APOLOGY for allowing YOURSELF to become TRANSMITTERS OF DEPRAVITY SPUN OFF THE BACK OF THIS CHILD’S SUFFERING AND PAIN.

      END THIS BARBARIC CRUELTY, ARUBA!

      CHOOSE JUSTICE.
      PICK HONOR.
      ACT WITH INTEGRITY.

      Since WHEN does a child’s vacation NOT INCLUDE THEIR RIGHT TO BE RETURNED TO THEIR FAMILY?

      Geraldo and Bill: DO NOT ADD TO THE TORMENT AND SUFFERING, THE CRUELTY AND SAVAGERY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INFLICTED UPON THIS BEAUTIFUL FAMILY!

      THE SUFFERING AND PAIN INFLICTED UPON NATALEE AND HER MOTHER AND FATHER, IS BARBARIC, UNCIVILIZED CONDUCT AND DESERVES TO BE FORWARDED AS A WARNING TO PEOPLE EVERYWHERE THAT ARUBA IS A DANGEROUS, UNSAFE PLACE FOR LOVED ONES TO VISIT.

      Given the fact that we are now going on TWO YEARS OF MENTAL ANGUISH AND EMOTIONAL TORTURE, it is FAIR for Americans to unite together, to INSIST that the RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THE DANGERS IN THIS COUNTRY IS SOMETHING EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO, GIVEN THE DEPRAVITY, AND CORRUPTION INVOLVED IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS SUFFERED BY NATALEE AND HER FAMILY IN ARUBA.

      TO JOURNALISTS, MEDIA: BECOME A FORCE OF INTEGRITY BY SEEKING THIS CHILD’S TRUTH. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, AND READ THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT REVEAL THE SORROW AND SUFFERING THAT HAS BEEN INFLICTED UPON THIS CHILD, AND HER MOTHER AND FATHER, AND ALL HER FAMILY MEMBERS! DO YOUR JOB! INFORM THE PUBLIC WITH THEIR RIGHT TO KNOW THIS LITTLE GIRL’S TRUTH!

    22. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 1:57 am

      ‘…corporations and powerful people must understand their responsibility to reject the haters and not support them in any way.’ ‘Any corporation or politician who associates with character assassins and/or defamers will be scrutinized.’

      Bill O’Reilly, from his talking points.

    23. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 2:10 am

      The only out Aruba might have is to say JK2′s took Natalee out on a boat because she asked them to take her. While they were drinking and “partying”; Natalee fell overboard. In the dark they could not find her and presumed she drowned.
      Actually that is all they had to say initially and this case would have been closed two years ago.
      That could now be construed as murder since it was not reported immediately to the authorities and now leaves doubts about the circumstances.
      Murder w/o premeditation is 15 years.
      Rape is 12 years.
      Murder with premeditation up to life. Page 39
      Well Joran and Paulus which one is it gonna be?

      Page 19. The victim’s heirs have a right to sue in civil court for criminal acts.
      Go for it Dave and Beth.
      http://www.wodc.nl/images/ob205_full%20text_tcm11-5139.pdf

    24. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 3:57 am

      Thank you for including me PEARL…..i’m honored that you did and proud to be amongst ya’ll! Having a “Natalee’s Law” sounds like a great idea to me and may i say awesome article(s) you posted last Deetch!

      Aruba you need to WAKE UP PEOPLE! What the hell is wrong with you to think your lies and protection for J@K & Paul is something American’s are going to let you get away with it! Even after 2 years its just astounding that you still think you can treat Natalee and her family the way you do and to them expect people to come back to the island without thinking of the barbaric treatment Natalee was subjected to by Aruba’s local son’s. These guys walk free to do it again with Aruban Official consent & air Come dance in Aruba ad’s on American tv.

      Aruba you are disgusting and its been a pleasure to put you down for the count.

    25. Hoston on July 22nd, 2007 6:34 am

      Natalee Holloway’s murder was a cover up by Aruba. Death by drug overdose is not covered up. I still believe the land fill character “Junior,” He told the police that she had mud (dried blood) in her hair. This is backed up by dutch boy when he said she “slipped and fell.”

    26. Richard on July 22nd, 2007 6:43 am

      Pearl, maybe someday we’ll see our government take action to protect Americans abroad. Right now, it seems, the only thing we hear from them about Natalee’s case is silence.

      Aruba tries spin after spin, only to be knocked down.

      And yet Washington’s silence is not to be broken.

      Regarding this action by Fox … as I said on a previous thread, their talk is cheap. But the people on the TV networks don’t really care, as we do, about Natalee or what happened. Nor do they think about the implications for other Americans abroad.

      To them it’s just a story. They’re being slapped down now, and rightly so.

    27. Richard on July 22nd, 2007 7:14 am

      Pearl, also, in re the idea about “Natalee’s law,” I think we have to keep a close eye on what happens once Tim Miller and the Texas Equusearch people begin the water search.

      IF Natalee’s body is indeed in the water, as some believe, then I hope that it is found. The repercussions from that will be explosive, and the media that have fallen for all the Aruban spin and lies will rush to redeem themselves.

      Speaking in news terms, the story will be “hot” again. That’s language that I despise, because the issue IS an important one and SHOULD be a matter of concern even when there is nothing new to report.

      But the public is forgetful. It also desires justice, however, and the discovery of Natalee’s body and a media review of all the lies that we have gotten from Aruba … all the evasions, all the inaction, all the hostility … will spark a firestorm of anger.

      At that point, perhaps even our elected representatives will decide that it’s politically astute to be seen demanding action by Aruba. They’ve tried to avoid doing this so far, except for those genuinely concerned few who supported the boycott, but if Natalee’s body is found you’ll be seeing them coming out of the woodwork to sound off. (Pity they haven’t done it yet.)

      And at that point, this and similar proposals might have their best chance. The pressure on Congress to DO something will be extreme.

      Of course, this all depends on finding Natalee’s body.

      If this doesn’t happen, then what? Will Aruba say that since no more land searches are planned and no more water searches are planned, there’s no point in anything else?

      And will some people be more inclined to think that perhaps she was indeed taken off Aruba?

      We’ll see what happens….

    28. Arubaanse on July 22nd, 2007 8:22 am

      Never been a fan of Geraldo and Bill O’rotten. Blah.

    29. Micah on July 22nd, 2007 8:50 am

      O’Reilly needs to have Dave Holloway on his show, to set the record straight.

    30. Frazer on July 22nd, 2007 8:55 am

      The assertion by the dopey woman at the end that a date rape drug was involved is just as unproven as the assertion that NH died of cardiac arrest from a coke overdose.

      This is just so-called ‘experts’ earning their appearance fees from FOX. Absolute rubbish, all of it.

    31. joe bear on July 22nd, 2007 9:21 am

      Load o crap.

    32. MIss-Underestimated on July 22nd, 2007 10:08 am

      Bill O broke his own cardinal rule.

      NO SPIN, it just what he did spin. Bill you lost me.

    33. JusticeforNatalee on July 22nd, 2007 10:18 am

      DATE-RAPE DRUG DEATH MOST LIKELY

      Aruba tourism and the rest of you fools trashing Natalee,

      Your crummy and pathetic plan backfired and now
      Natalee is back in the news and the date-rape scenario
      is front and center.

      In addition, Geraldo got a few digs on Aruba:
      where old men go to get prostitutes,
      young kids get drugs, and tourism is WAY down.

      Wow! Aruba comes across as a really “swanky” LOL
      tourist destination. Very “classy.” LOL
      Love the footage of the aggressive drug dealers. What
      an travel ad for Aruba! LOLOLOLOLOL

      NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS

      It’s clear that Aruba is not going to
      do the right thing. The only thing
      we can do is

      BOYCOTT
      BOYCOTT
      BOYCOTT
      and keep spreading the word.

    34. Susan on July 22nd, 2007 10:30 am

      I’d say it’s all been sensationalism at its worst! Bill is full of BULL. O’Really has uttered few words on Natalee’s disappearance and never “really” wanted to report on the case. Geraldo is just a freak of nature. With his flip flopping, I seriously don’t his apology to Dave was sincere…

      BOYCOTT ARUBA, HOLLAND, PALM BEACH, FL, GERALDO AND BILL O’REALLY!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE :-)

    35. serenity on July 22nd, 2007 10:41 am

      On Geraldo’s show last night, his brother Craig mentioned an arrest on 4/14/06 of a friend of Joran’s for supplying drugs to him. Whom are ther talking about? Details please. Also to Klassand, I still would like to join the scared monkeys forum. I did email both Red and Tom,but never recieved a reply.

      ____________________
      SM: They are referring to GVC (Geoffrey van Cromvoirt). The forum will be open in a week and anyone will be able to join. That’s probably why Red hasn’t gotten back to you. (klaasend)

    36. serenity on July 22nd, 2007 10:48 am

      Thank you klassand.
      Looking forward to access to the forum. I read it on a daily basis, and I must say you are doing a wonderful job. I can only hope to have a fraction of the patience you have demonstrated. I really admire you.

      ________________
      SM: Thanks! :)

    37. Concerned on July 22nd, 2007 11:07 am

      It appears that Bill O’Reilly and Fox News is taking a page from the WWE play book concerning Bill’s latest act, his pronunciation of THE ANSWER TO BETH”S QUESTION. There was no news, no event, no communication, or no discovery to report, so Bill contrived this act in order to create a demand for his show, and for the entire FOX News Organization. This story has been a staged event since the very beginning. Has Bill begun to take steroids, recreational drugs, or drink, to excess? Have his ratings became so pitiful that he is forced to invent the news? Was he offered a sum of money so large by the Aruban Public Relations people that he couldn’t resist? Is aging robbing him of proper professional ethics? Did he slip and let his true colors shine? Only he and Fox News know. It is sad though, because just as the little boy who called wolf falsely found out, he now has no credibility. Indeed, the entire Fox News organization has lost credibility and left the news market and entered the entertainment market. They have become the “Redneck National Enquirer.” Surprised, no, remember, Bill is the newsman who upon the authorities discovering the 15 year old boy Shaun, who was kidnapped and molested for approximately 3 years, and reuniting him with his family, pronounced that Shaun enjoyed it. Now he is trying to say that Natalee enjoyed it and deserved her fate. I think he has earned his Redneck Label. Why would anyone want this man invited into their home, opining. Frankly, why would anyone care about anything he has to say. His dialogue makes “Nappy Headed Ho’s” a compliment.

      P.S. I think I have just done an injustice to the genuine rednecks of this county, and for that I apologize.

    38. ben on July 22nd, 2007 11:11 am

      I want to think the Goverment of Aruba,just when there is know news being reported on Natalees case,they do stupid stuff that brings it back in the news and Makes Aruba look worse and worse.

    39. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 11:33 am

      It is puzzling as O’Reilly doesn’t need this story for ratings. I think he became enamored by the high level of the source, no matter who brought it to him.

      He has stumbled though, into a bigger story. The pipleline of lies begins with Paulus van der sloot. If he wants to remove the hypocrite label, let’s see him trace the line from van der sloot-Croes-Dompig-Renfro and how this smear came to him.

      you lay down with dogs…

    40. KrisG on July 22nd, 2007 12:08 pm

      IMHO Geraldo vindicated himself by apologizing to Dave, now Bill O must do the same. The people who watch BO nightly need to have Dave’s opinion so they get the fair and balanced story. Most people don’t follow the case as closely as we Monkeys and will tend to believe the latest news report. In talking with others about Natalee what bothers me most is when someone will say, “Oh, she was drunk.” or “She left with strangers.” All I can say is so, does that mean she should be murdered? All of us know she didn’t think of Joran as a stranger since he was “in the background” at the hotel and casino and passed himself off to be a tourist from Holland.

      Natalee was last seen in the company of Frankenstein, Quasimoto and the Village Idiot. That is not disputed. What does that tell you?

      Natalee, you and your family are not forgotten!

    41. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 12:13 pm

      An apology is not good enough, at all. O’Reilly needs to explain exactly how he came to smear Natalee and take responsibility completely!

      He then needs to interview Spencer Bacchus, they have much in common.

    42. Brie on July 22nd, 2007 12:13 pm

      There is a site called O’Reilly-sucks.com. He’s been caught in many lies and is the World’s Worst…also lost in sexual harassment law suit…has been awarded the misinformer of the year…and will never say he was wrong…..who wants a reporter that gives you the wrong news!!!! You just can’t believe him!!!!

    43. Allan K on July 22nd, 2007 12:28 pm

      Fox News fair and balanced. The Republican news. Just had to bring that up.

      Never thought Fox News was fair and balanced. Fox needs to come out and apologize. Wonder if Joe T. gave them that news?

      Has Tom Twitty been questioned,wasn’t he in Natalee’s group?

    44. ben on July 22nd, 2007 12:35 pm

      AS A REDNECK,IAM DISTURBED TO BE COMPARED TO OREALLLY,lol

    45. Janet on July 22nd, 2007 1:05 pm

      41 … An apology is not good enough, at all. O’Reilly needs to explain exactly how he came to smear Natalee and take responsibility completely!
      He then needs to interview Spencer Bacchus, they have much in common.
      Comment by Frank | July 22, 2007, 12:13 pm
      ++++++++++++++++++++

      Did Rep. Spencer Bachus bow to the Aruban agenda … an agenda to deny justice to an American citizen? Something happened to change his position between June, 2005 and December, 2006. Bachus came out of a two hour meeting with the Aruban delegation a believer … a two hour meeting that John Q. Kelly … the family attorney … was not allowed to be present.
      .
      SPENCER BACHUS – BIRMINGHAM NEWS – JUNE 5, 2005
      U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
      .
      SPENCER BACHUS – CBS NEWS – DECEMBER 16, 2005
      Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway. Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a “frank and open discussion” and that Aruban authorities have devoted “tremendous resources” to the case.

    46. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 1:07 pm

      Brie: 42: Exactly; that is why he should get a job on Aruba. I hear there is one being vacated. I believe his predecessor may be going to Palm Beach.
      He will fit right in with the others.

    47. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 1:09 pm

      Can’t understand why sometimes I can cut and paste comments; other times nothing works.

    48. 10061906 on July 22nd, 2007 1:13 pm

      The copy/paste seems to occur after you submit a comment and only while it is in limbo awaiting moderation and only after you close out SM and start all over again.
      Or go to edit and select all: then deselect then you can copy and paste

    49. justinsmama on July 22nd, 2007 1:24 pm

      The disinformation crew for Aruba has only achieved a more public showing of their true nature with this. They really expected people to buy their garbage, and it backfired on them. They will never get it, that coming clean on what happened to Natalee, and holding those responsible for it accountable, was all that it would have taken to save their arses.

    50. nurturer on July 22nd, 2007 2:03 pm

      It’s . . . LET’S BASH O’REILLY FACTOR . . .

      Starring the EVER-SO-INSIGHTFUL MONKEYS.

      Now that all of you have gotten it out of your collective systems, I would suggest that you all use that God-given talent known as, you got it – RECALL – and remember the good things Bill O’Reilly has done through his broadcast.

      Shall I do you’re remembering for you? Fine.

      1)Legislation for Jessica’s Law. I know of no other broadcast than The O’Reilly Factor that pushes for the passing of Jessica’s Law throughout the country. Time after time on this board, I read from all the concerned Monkeys that are oh-so for child protection, and dump on the very guy that’s making it happen. Go tell Jessica Lunsford’s dad that Bill O’Reilly sucks.

      2)A Green Beret was assigned to win the hearts and minds of Iraqi tribesmen and unwittingly ate goat meat infected with mad cow disease. As the disease progressed, the Green Beret became insubordinate, missed duties, was demoted and eventually became bedridden at his parents expense. That’s right, Bill O’Reilly came to their rescue. He broadcast that story and embarrassed the army into paying the Green Beret’s medical expenses and also deservedly re-instating his rank. Tell this Green Beret’s parents how much Bill O’Reilly sucks.

      3)The 9/11 Families. Remember them? Bill O’Reilly did. When The United Way and The Red Cross, two of America’s favorite do-gooder organizations refused to pay the 9/11 families the donations given to them by the public for that expressed purpose, O’Reilly through his broadcast exposed and embarrassed The United Way and The Red Cross into releasing those donations. Go tell the 9/11 families that Bill O’Reilly sucks.

      4)The exposure of lenient judges that give child RAPISTS 30 days in jail. Tell me, would you prefer not to know? CNN and MSNBC think so. That’s why you don’t hear about these judges and their incompetence on CNN and MSNBC. Not only does Bill O’Reilly expose these judges’ incompetence for us, he goes after them to show us their indifference. Ask those judges and I think, yeah, they would probably say that Bill O’Reilly sucks.

      5)Exposure of the porous border blunder and what the government IS NOT doing about it. Unlike CNN and MSNBC, O’Reilly covers the situation almost nightly. Oh I’m sorry, you’d prefer not to know? Well others, it just so happens would, and consider it a national security issue.

      But let’s be honest. Most of you bashing Bill O’Reilly and The O’Reilly Factor don’t watch the program. Period. I would suggest to all, that instead of watching YouTube after YouTube of O’Reilly Factor segments, that you take the time to watch the actual program itself. Asking too much, right?

      It amazes me how you collectively heard Bill O’Reilly during that segment with Geraldo say “Natalee Holloway is a crack whore”. When in reality O’Reilly said that the information was from a ‘top law enforcement official’ and that the story was ‘unconfirmed’. Get it? Not proved. And O’Reilly was emphatic about that. And I think he said it in English too, if I’m not mistaken.

      The fact of the matter is, you should all be thanking Bill O’Reilly. O’Reilly brought the Natalee Holloway story back to the surface, where it needs to be. Seems to me he has done us a service, the same way he helped those folks I mentioned. And it wouldn’t surprise me to find that that was his strategy all along.

    51. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 3:31 pm

      Nurturer,

      Maybe, maybe not. Let’s see. But he threw it out there with little context and made a strange emphasis on he “must” protect his source.

      Bomb thrower? Why wasn’t it featured on his “most ridiculous item” segment? On the website it featured only the headline, which was later softened.

      I think he had his Rather moment, but we’ll wait and see.

    52. Joanie on July 22nd, 2007 3:40 pm

      Nurturer – WRONG! This man does not even step out of his office – he is ONLY a talking head. He does absolutely NOTHING but sit at his desk for 60 minutes every night and yells at a camera. HECK – I could sit and read a script! Any one of us could do that. NO SIR – Bill O done sunk his own credibility this time and has done it in the recent past with Shaun Hornbeck, Jesse Davis and now Natalee. He has thrown away any credibility(HA!) he may ever had had. This man owes all those above mentioned families an open and contrite apology. So – what if it had been your daughter and you saw on national TV, Billy O say that she deserved to be murdered because she made bad decisions. NOPE Nurturer; put a fork in BILLY O – he’s done!!!!!!

    53. Maggie on July 22nd, 2007 3:50 pm

      Paulus has never even been held accountable for this. In fact didn’t have his own home searched until 2 years later after this happened.

      On April 3, 2006 JOHN Q. KELLY stated to MSNBC: COSBY . John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

      JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. AND IT’S SORT OF IRONIC THAT IT IS HIS FATHER WHO BROUGHT HIS UNDERAGE SON TO A CASINO AND LEFT HIM THERE AFTER HE LEFT, WITH ACCESS TO HIS LINE OF CREDIT, TO PUT THIS UNFORNATE CHAIN OF EVENTS IN PROCESS.

      COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

      KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her.

    54. Maggie on July 22nd, 2007 4:17 pm

      Nurturer, I’m glad he put the story out that some in Aruba are trying to sell.. Puts Natalee’s story front and center again. Also shows drugs being sold on the streets right outside Carlos n Charlies and inside to drug women. Show’s also that some down there will stop at nothing to smear a tourist who became a victim of crime on their island, with lies, to save tourism. They have zero credibility. Angela muzzlehead also said Natalee was an alcoholic.. based on what? She also said she knew Natalee wasn’t a virgin..based on what? It was this same group of people who lead Natalee’s family to crackhouses to look for Natalee, instead of searching and looking at the last 3 known people with Natalee.

      A little walk down Joe T lane..

      Joe T. was hired as Joran’s NY lawyer, pro bono remember..

      Joe claims to have taken Joran’s case Pro-bono, then went on to say he was being paid and O’Reilly called him on it.

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/14/joe-tacopina-meets-the-no-spin-zone-and-crumbles/

      This was Joe T.’s comments in the Imette St. Guillen case.. Hired someone with a record, put a predator in the mix, didn’t come clean with the police and gave false and misleading statements. . then went on to say this to me is an even bigger offense,,

      She should be grieving for her daughter, instead she’s suing my brother,” John Dorrian told the Post on Saturday. “If she gets $10 million from the city, will she be happy? Her daughter’s dead,” he added. “She’s doing this for the press.”
      Certainly the family has hired a mediagenic attorney: Joseph Tacopina, who is also representing disgraced Post gossip columnist Jared Paul Stern.

      But Tocapina insists Imette’s mom Maureen St. Guillen isn’t in it for the money, and says the family’s main aim was to “pursue legislative change, so that Imette doesn’t die in vain.”

      “It’s our position that the owners [of the Falls] are certainly culpable,” Tacopina said, without naming names. “They hired somebody who has a felony record and put a predator into the mix. Then they violated the law again when they didn’t come clean with the police, and gave false and misleading statements,” Tacopina added, referring to Daniel Dorrian. “That to me is an even bigger offense.”

    55. ben on July 22nd, 2007 4:39 pm

      NUMBER,,50,,,,,,is that you Bill

    56. Lorraine on July 22nd, 2007 5:00 pm

      Thank you Sir or Madam….I thought I was the only BOR defender on the Blogisphere!!! Bill has done all of the above, you are so right, he is now deeply involved in Jessica’s Law, that’s his present battle, just confronted another idiot judge in Kansas. I agree, and Beth has always said, any mention of Natalee, keeps her case alive. And to be perfectly frank and I believe honest, I don’t believe the two men ( BOR & GR ) were speaking negatively at all about Natalee…..they were saying that she had died of a drug induced heart attack, most likely brought on by Cocaine….they in no way said or ever implied, that Natalee was “using or abusing drugs”. (Reading most of the above post calling for apologies I was wondering if they were talking about the same Factor airing, and I watched it Twice..) I think it’s evident that it is commonly believed that someone(s) “drugged” Natalee for the purpose of kidnapping and rape. It was Geraldo, with his “know it all about Aruba” attitude who brought up Cocaine as the drug most probably used. He also referred to Joran, as a “Sophisticated Party Guy” and Natalee a “Small Town” Girl……I have never seen Mt.Brook, but I’m sure it is much like any other up-scale suburb, Natalee was NOT a “country bumpkin” and all Joran is, is a dirt-bag, drug-using, rapist, from a slum …..nothing at all “Sophisticated” about him….Geraldo needs a little polishing up or else stick to looking for Al Capone….GR is someone who has done nothing for Society since he exposed the horrors of Willow Brook, many years ago.

      It’s comforting and refreshing to know that there is someone else out here, “looking out” for Bill, I know for a fact he is a good and decent guy!!!! Oh, and truly Sincere!!

    57. mrs. red on July 22nd, 2007 5:22 pm

      I don’t think BOR or Geraldo did Aruba any favors. What family vacations where the parents can go to prosititutes while the kids do the available drugs?
      Doesn’t sound family friendly and doesn’t sound like one happy island to me.

      Having said that, BOR is a mixed bag – when he is good, he’s good; when he is bad – he’s awful.

    58. Just Me on July 22nd, 2007 5:23 pm

      Nice to see Jerkalllldooo back peddling the bs he was spewing the other night. Interesting how GVC fits in, possibly. Ive heard Satish was a known drug pusher. I doubt Deepak would ever have anything to do with drugs as he is a paranoid freak. Ive always thought he is covering not only for the VDSlut family but his brother also. Hes been offered clearance if he would only detail a few things. He refused. That says a lot to me. They all suck.
      Also interesting that MG did commentary on the show.
      My hopes are higher than ever that the perps are going down!

    59. Lorraine on July 22nd, 2007 5:25 pm

      to Frank and Joanie, you act like Natalee is the only victim, and the only cause out there…..she may be our prime focus….but don’t be little and denounce BOR because something else drives him…It is Jessica’s Law…and he does leave his seat….he has a two hour radio show in the afternoon, he has gone up to Vermont to confront the Judge who let off the convicted pedifile, Kansas to do the same…There is a saying “Jack of all trades, Master of none”……Bill is ou to champion his cause, which is now getting Jessica’s Law passed in every state, he is dedicated,committed to protect the children of America…..don’t fault him because he isn’t up on every case, of every missing person, which of late is rapidly growing.
      I know for a fact Bill is a good, decent man, …..trying to do good decent things,….just because his fight is different than those of Friends of Natalee, don’t defame him.
      Joanie, he never said she made a poor decision so she deserved to die…you are way off base…that’s a lie!!

      Frank…comparing him to Dan Rather…..I think NOT!!!!

    60. Lorraine on July 22nd, 2007 5:42 pm

      In June of 2005 Natalee’s body was found on Aruba..it was Confirmed that she was DEAD, Confirmed, Heavy Battery, ……Beth was told, rushed to where Natalee’s body was supposed to have been found or taken…….then,…a Retraction….it was a mistake???? What was a mistake that Natalee’s body had been found or making it publiclly known she had been found???? Where did the body that had been found and so badly battered go? How could it disappear? Who disappeared it?

    61. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 5:45 pm

      Lorraine,

      He may be all the things you say, but that doesn’t change the fact that he violated the very things he claims to want to expose.

      Hate, and smear mongers, bomb throwers. He is not perfect and in this case he gave credence to an old smear and advertised it as a new “twist.”

      He screwed up. This is not about O’Reilly, it’s about Natalee and if he’s half the man you say, he will be pissed and not defensive.

      My hope is he will dig into how and why this story came to light.

      He needs to go after his source and Aruba. Jessica’s law work is good, but it doesn’t give anyone a pass to smear Natalee.

      Step up O’Reilly

    62. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 6:07 pm

      Right, Mrs. Red!

      BOR and Hair-aldo :) … I don’t think they are

      playing for Team Lie-Roobie.

      *****
      Confuscious Say:

      All Yen No Yang Make #1 Son Dull Boy!

      *****

      I think they may be baiting and stirring the pot a

      little, to lure the enemy into our airspace so that

      we can light ‘em up with anti-aircraft shells! Wahoooo!!!

      -FOX NEWS-

      Geraldo > may not be a AGGRAVATOR,

      he might just be a “MASTER BAITER?”

      ….

      (but seriously, that Al Capone stuff still makes me laugh my nards off, even now 20 years later.)

      BOYCOTT!

      PUT A HURTIN’ ON ‘EMMMM -j4n

      It’s the only language they understand.

    63. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 6:08 pm

      50 – Nurturer, I’m with Frank (51) and again ( well said in 61) on this one, and as Frank suggested…let’s wait and see. It’s not over for Bill O, he has a whole life time ahead of him to correct mistakes he’s made. Yet, there is something fundamentally inherant to our beliefs and to what we value as Americans that ties the human rights violations committed upon Natalee Holloway and her family to each of us and binds us together. If we miss this sacred connection, we LOSE something we profess to hold so dearly – our FREEDOM.

      Bill O, imo, Nurturer, had a duty and an obligation to pursue Natalee’s truth.

      As a great journalist once said:

      “The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think — that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it’s NOT America.” (E.R. Murrow)

      If our journalists fail to ask questions,
      if they fail to pursue THE TRUTH in a story, if they fail in their DUTY to INFORM, TO THINK, TO SPEAK, so that WE MAY KNOW…then, what is left?

      As E. Murrow said, to be taken to a place that consorts with “unconfirmed” reports (as Murrow proposed as being – a place where QUESTIONS and TRUTH are NOT PURSUED), is to be dumped in a place that is no longer: AMERICA!

      I appreciate your perspective on O’R, Nurturer, ( as well as the balance of others, that I was not aware of – particularly concerning the Hornbeck child and how reports had been made in that case which are truly so upsetting,) and I must say, that I agree with 32, Miss U.

      Not only did Bill lose me, but I feel like I got dumped in some place that was NOT America – because he failed to pursue HER TRUTH!

      I feel like I got dumped in ARUBA where the lies just keep on going, and going and going to the detriment of Natalee, to the detriment of her truth being told, to the detriment of her right to justice being pursued.

      However, Nurturer, you point to certain instances where you feel O’R came through on other issues.

      O’R. has a chance to make things right for Natalee and for her family.

      As Frank suggests, let’s see what he does with his chance.
      As Frank wisely points out: THIS IS ABOUT NATALEE.
      Everyone else, step aside if your “feelings” get hurt.
      This child has waited TWO YEARS to come home to her loving family. She is so brutally victimized, as her family continues to be subjected to the most horrific, CRUELTY and mental and emotional TORTURE. If Bill can’t take concerned critique, in ADVOCACY for this beloved child, then he needs to take a long hard look at WHY he is sitting in that seat in the first place. I think if he is the man you say he is, Nurturer, then he will find a way to MAKE THIS RIGHT FOR NATALEE. He, and every journalist owes this much to her and to her family: PURSUE HER TRUTH!
      PURSUE THE TRUE STORY! GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DO YOUR JOB – and IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK, THEN… FOR GOODNESS SAKE, BRING ON SOME EXPERTS WHO KNOW THE FACTS OF THIS CHILD’S HORRIFIC SUFFERING! HECK! BRING ON JANET! BRING ON FRANK! BRING ON SOMEONE WHO READS!!!!!! We understand if Bill can’t read everything – but then REPRESENT THE TRUTH, by REPRESENTING THE FACTS OF HER TRUTH!

      As Frank says…let’s see where Bill takes things from here. We’ll find out a lot about him, based on what he does with the feedback he’s gotten concerning how he handled this big “news” flash he reported, which – as Klass says: is so OLD and so twisted, as it was regurgiated from Dompig’s throat, after he sold his “beliefs” of “GUILTY AS HELL” for the “she overdosed and died of a combination of drugs and alcohol” theory that he promoted on his US interview.

      Maggie, you have this incredible ability to point out the blatant double-speak hypocritical standards of an atty. who would suggest that those who “don’t come clean with the police and give false and misleading statements” are “VIOLATING THE LAW”. ( But then, I’m sure this atty. did not have Arlene there at the time “explaining” how “Dutch” laws (only in HER HEAD AND HER PALS HEADS) seem to work, where obstructions to justice are only such – when statements of LIES come from “witnesses” and not “suspects” (who are REALLY “WITNESSES”), and THEN, when this occurs, its’ a non-issue because….uh…um…because according to the NEW LIES, being spun by the contemptable with no honor or integrity, they now wish to blame Natalee for “killing” herself.

      Maggie, have you ever wondered how Straaten had that whole “WITNESS” / “SUSPECT” response worked out for the press so early on, following repoerts of Natalee being “missing”?

      hmmm. I wonder if Straaten had attended any poolside meetings over at the Sloot house…?

      It’s nice to know that Mr. Tacopina finds false statements to the polis and misleading statements particularly OFFENSIVE.

      Thank you for that very informative view, Maggie!

      You are a cracker jack at research, and in drawing some excellent questions for everyone to mull over, concerning HOW standards of practice regarding FALSE STATEMENTS AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS given to the polis would be so offensive for one victim, yet not for another?

      JUSTICE HAS NO CROOKED PATHS, NO BACK DOORS, NO SPIN-ZONES!

      JUSTICE THROUGH TRUTH!
      HONOR THROUGH INTEGRITY!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
      JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY!

    64. Frank on July 22nd, 2007 6:09 pm

      I compared his “moment” to Dan Rather’s “moment”.

      It took bloggers to point out that Rather was using a forged document to claim something about Bush.

      O’Reilly used a made up story to smear Natalee. And what do you mean I make this out to be the ONLY murdered girl. (NOT MISSING)

      So there are so many others we should just give them a pass? I don’t think so.

      He, O’Reilly, took the time to put on his show a lie about Natalle, not anyone else.

      In his own words, he deserves scrutiny.

    65. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 6:23 pm

      Give up the right to question, to think, to scrutinize…AND YOU ARE NO LONGER IN AMERICA!!!!

      As Frank says: THIS IS ABOUT NATALEE!!!

      Standards of practice USED to promote a story do indeed deserve to be scrutinized.

      If Bill doesn’t have the time to inform himself, but wishes to cover this child’s painful truths, then by all means – BRING ON AN OPION TO COUNTER WHAT IS BEING “SPUN”, in the “NO-SPIN” Zone!!!

      ….TO QUESTION
      ….TO THINK
      ….TO PURSUE THE TRUTH IN A STORY
      ….TO TEACH
      ….TO ILLUMINATE ( to make CLEAR, TRANSPARENT)
      ….TO INSPIRE!!!

      “This instrument (television) can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires and lights in a box.” (E.R. Murrow)

      Frank seems to have been looking for MORE than “lights in a box”. We were all looking for MORE than just “lights in a box”.

      WE WANT NATALEE BACK HOME.
      WE WANT JUSTICE FOR HER FAMILY.
      WE WANT THE SAVAGES WHO STOLE THIS CHILD’S BODY, TO GIVE BACK HER TRUTH TO HER FAMILY!

      THE TWITTY-HOLLOWAY FAMILY IS ENTITLED TO NATALEE’S TRUTH!

      LET NATALEE’S TRUTH COME HOME, O’REILLY!

      BRING NATALEE’S TRUTH HOME TO HER GRIEVING FAMILY!

    66. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 6:24 pm

      I loved how Dave Holloway called Joe

      “Joe TacopinO” on the air last night,

      it made that little dilly

      sound like a pizza topping.

      Priceless! (I don’t like u Joe, did u know that?)

    67. disgustedmom on July 22nd, 2007 6:26 pm

      Do you all think Joran would have returned Natalee to her hotel if he had gotten what he wanted off her consensually?

      Do you all think if she had voluntarily taken drugs or drank too much and got sick, Joran would have taken time to make sure she got help?

      Do you all think if all was well and Natalee really wanted to stay on a beach all night and Joran didn’t want to, he would have left her alone?

      My answers to the above are, no no and yes.

      Joran is a selfish self-centered jerk!

      It wouldn’t have mattered if the night had gone without mishap, Natalee would have been used until Joran was done playing then he would have split as if she didn’t exist.

      Why is this significant? I dont’ know really…but that Paulus was probably involved in making Natalee feel comfortable with his young delicious sporter (re the casino tape) it seems Paulus is guilty of misleading Natalee and as an adult -ok a man of adult age/PVDS- he should not get involved that way, so he should be just as guilty of preying on young tourist girls as Joran is.

    68. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 6:29 pm

      #4 Good one, Janet!!!

    69. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 6:44 pm

      Yes,Carpe! Janet is THE BOMB!

      Janet has more light than the Northern Lights!

      She is THE AURORA! She is a pillar of Natalee’s truths!

    70. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 6:46 pm

      I wonder what a look see

      into Joran’s optometrist

      history would reveal???

      Hey LOOKY here:

      http://tinyurl.com/39kyyo

      ….

      He’s kinda has receeived

      his fathers wally eyes.

      Paulus, you’re just THE GIFT

      that keeps on giving, huh? LOL

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TwlB-Luco

    71. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 7:28 pm

      BUT

    72. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 7:29 pm

      The good news… between Fox, Internet Blogs, and YT

      it gets covered around the world in minutes…

      …and creates a HELLUVA lot of Van der sloot

      flack.

      Anita VDS, meet Anita Ward.

      “Ring My Bell, *itch!”

      DING DONG,

      HOWYAS FEELIN?

      RINGA RINGA RING

    73. Carpe Noctem on July 22nd, 2007 7:43 pm

      I liked this one and wanted to share!

      ….

      Sunday, July 22, 2007
      F U ARUBA

      Nothing pisses me off like attacking a VICTIM. And when that VICTIM is Natalee Holloway I GET REAL PISSED OFF.

      The Aruban Authorities and the ALE launched an attack on Natalee and her family all over again. As you saw with the videos provided by Carpe Noctem, Dave Holloway is defending his daughter all over again. Well Dave is not alone and will NEVER be alone. Not one Aruban to say these accusations are false. NOT ONE! This is exactly what I expect from the soul-less. Aruba you are ALONE! You sink in a sea of brine.

      As I have said so many times, Aruba is a CABAL. A CRIMINAL ELEMENT. A LAND OF EUNUCHS. A BAND OF BROTHERS WRAPPED IN THE CRIMES OF THEIR FATHERS AND SONS. Their words mean SHIT to me and everyone else who knows who committed the crimes against Natalee Holloway.

      Not one shred of evidence Natalee did cocaine on her ill fated trip to Satan’s Island. ZERO!!! Yet the Aruban Oligarchy rolls with these rumors as if they are facts. The same Aruban Authorities that hide behind the lead walls of the Dutch Legal System. The Aruban Prosecutor’s office hides statements and declarations. The Polis tear up statements and declarations they don’t see fit for American consumption. Hypocrites and brain dead hardly describe the Arubans and the DUTCH. Justice according to them is only for the Dutch. Forget it if your skin is one shade past Beverly Hills tan.

      All so Joran Van Der Sloot can continue his education. Maybe someone, namely his parents, should have taken a higher interest in his education when he was smashing car windows, stealing money, drugging other girls, doing it 20 other times, gambling under age in casinos with his father, drinking a case of beer to get drunk, sleeping with a 13 year old, killing his dog and killing his friend’s dog and blaming him for it. All before the age of 18. Someone clue me into what this scholar is actually studying? Most likely LAW so he can be a failure like his father.

      No one gives a crap about the Kalpoe Brothers. Not one person cares one iota about them. And if they were not eternally linked to Joran Van Der Sloot this case would already be over. We all know the Sloots tried to pin it ALL on them with their diabolical clique. What about Doctor Satish? Doesn’t his education matter to anyone? After six years of 12th grade, he will graduate at some point and who will pay for his medical school? And what about Internet Wizard Deepak? He was gonna write the code for the new internet. Certainly these two scholars need to be re-integrated. Their worldly contributions will certainly be missed as they are relegated to the ash heap that is created wherever Joran Van Der Sloot roams.

      Character assassination only works when one has character. Joran Van Der sloot has no character. Protecting this animal and his family takes more energy than Con-Edison produces in a year.

      We all know Natalee’s record. One Joran Van Der Sloot could never ever match and that’s exactly why he needs a PR Machine with the likes of a high priced New York Attorney named Joseph Tacopina, a slime ball former Court TV founder named Steve Cohen, and bunch of in the shadows schlock artists from Los Angeles. Let’s not forget the two Glory Hole workers with a foundation based on Leibensborn either.

      They’ll all take the money, but no one wants to touch this disease. No one wants to breathe the air filled with bubonic plague. Tick bites rat, rat enters home, you know the rest.

      In order to allow their scheme proceed, you need simple minded folks who will believe anything. And in this case it takes you beyond the believable.

      Good Luck selling this one. No one buys it Aruba. You look even more desperate. Your days are numbered as the American Authorities close in. The same FBI, CIA and DEA you tried to shut out. Justice American Style is painful for the guilty. It eats it’s way up the tree like a buzz saw and won’t stop until it reaches it’s intended target. The target is the conductor of this scheme. Chavez is so close and you hide under his udder.

      Such the conundrum. Close the case and extradition comes your way. Keep it open and destroy tourism. I love your self-created problem. I love watching you squirm. I love watching you implode. I love watching karma work it’s magic on you and your cabal.

      Your threats scare no one. Your days as a haven for all things evil are coming to an end.

      We got a whole new bag of magic for you. We’ll help you destroy whats left of your brand.

      Watch and LEARN!

      -J4N-

      Posted by Zoltan at 8:41 AM 0 comments

      REPOST

    74. Lorraine on July 22nd, 2007 8:03 pm

      Why can’t you understand that BOR’s focus is on Jessica’s Law PREVENTING children from becoming KIDNAPPED, MOLESTED, MURDERED,…..Cbildren who are alive right now,….who could become victims…….but with Jessica’s Law passed, the pedifiles who would repeat and repeat their crimes, on our children, would be behind bars…prevented from ever molesting another child…There are children being molested and murdered right now because these repeat offenders are allowed to walk free, this is what Jessica’s Law would prevent, this is BOR’s agenda…..it’s not the same as yours or mine,……that does not give you the right to smear him with such meaness,….he doesn’t deserve that,….he’s not a mean man !!

      Frank, again, I can’t believe we are discussing the same Factor airing….I did not hear him smear Natalee..that would’ve made me mad!! He said what we all believe, Natalee was drugged, most likely died of an overdose….Paulus was searching on his computer…J2K confessed she was going in and out of consciousness,…. The evil ones drugged, raped and God knows what else they did to that poor child, heavy battery was reported, how much she suffered, how long she was conscious, we will never know.

      I just don’t see why you feel he bashed Natalee, (I would hate him if he did), why he owes Dave an apology, for what? Why you feel he must dedicate himself to the same cause you are dedicated to. His cause is one of PREVENTION OF CHILD MOLESTATION……your’s is JUSTICE FOR NATAEE…

      IMO that Factor airing was purposeful…..it was to bring Natalee’s case to the public’s attention !!!!

    75. ben on July 22nd, 2007 9:12 pm

      Im going to watch Bill Monday ,i want to see if he says anything about the story he did.I have a feeling he will give a smug reply,dont get me wrong i like watching Bill but he does not put a lot of thought in to some of his comments.

    76. disgustedmom on July 22nd, 2007 9:22 pm

      O’R was irresponsible in his partial reporting. His blurb was nothing but a sound bite that suggested that Natalee Holloway ODed on cocaine on her graduation trip to Aruba AS IF it was all her own doing. And he left it like it was a secret being kept and reported it like gossip!

      You’ve got to figure to anyone watching and hearing about Natalee for the first time they would hear her name and assoicate only that she ODed on cocaine AS IF there was nothing else to this case. And those unfamiliar listeners are going to go, AW, another wild teen doing drugs.

      I don’t think O’R meant any harm, but this case is very complex and if someone wants to report on it they need to allow time to give a few details so things are put into proper perspective.

      All O’R needed to do was add that his source did not say if a body had been found to validate that this was the cause of death or if any evidence has come up to indicate if she was drugged by others or took the drugs herself.

      Personally, I think someone called him and he got all excited thinking he had some scoop no one else had because he has not been keeping up with this case. And I think whoever that was who called him wanted Natalee’s name smeared.

      I pray Karma gets them and they get smeared instead. God don’t like ugly!

    77. disgustedmom on July 22nd, 2007 9:32 pm

      I want to say how proud it makes me to know there are people in the world like ‘you monkeys’.

      I know we hash and rehash the same things in about every thread, but I think it’s necessary so nothing is forgotten and swept under the rug like the perps want to happen so badly.

      If justice is possible it takes persistence and keeping the story alive to let those who KNOW WHAT HAPPENED know they will not have peace and quiet until they do the right thing by Natalee and her family.

    78. mayan_moons on July 22nd, 2007 9:33 pm

      BOR should’ve had Beth and or Dave on to respond to this unimpeachable(?)source? By not doing so it lends credence where credence is NOT deserved. To just parrot the latest Aruban drivel from some unnamed source and not question why they want this message out there & more important why this so called UNIMPEACHABLE offical wants to hide their identity
      is why i have a problem with that BOR segment.

    79. Pearl on July 22nd, 2007 10:44 pm

      Lorraine, (74) you seem to have a good deal of respect for Mr. O’Reilly.

      I can’t speak for anyone here, but I can explain to you why his commentary was particularly upsetting to me.

      He said: “Natalee Holloway, the 18 year old woman who disappeared two years ago in Aruba died from cardiac arrest brought on by an overdose of cocaine. According to top LE officials, NATALEE INGESTED THE COCAINE WITH Joran van der Sloot and one of the Kalpoe brothers. Her body was then disposed of in the ocean.”

      Lorraine, not only did Natalee never come home to her family, but even now, HER TRUTH continues to be held HOSTAGE, along WITH her BODY, by unconscienable men who thought nothing of lying to her parents, to polis, to the FBI, and to the world concerning THEIR INVOLVEMENT in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and all the human rights violations inflicted upon her.

      What is Natalee’s truth? Is it the “spin” coming from the mouths of twisted individuals whose intent is to obstruct Natalee’s truth from ever being spoken?

      Is it the same individuals who sought to mislead the press, who lied to news journalists, or those who thought nothing of spreading the most vile rumours about this already victimized child, in their attempts to discredit her to soften the barbaric indisiousness of WHAT WAS DONE TO HER – so they could protect THEIR INTEREST in their next sack of US DOLLARS coming their way?

      Think about it Lorranie… think of what was done to this child! It is hideous and so uncivilized, it’s a disgrace that we have stood by for two years watching more treachery and vile cruelty unfold and be inflicted upon this family and upon this child so savagely tormented.

      Jan van der Straaten told the press that “She could have come thru another way” ( suggesting to the press, that Natalee could have entered her hotel lobby through some other means other than the ONE THAT J2K reported directly to polis – which was “RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL LOBBY”
      ( which conveniently then, was PERMITTED to be changed OVER AND OVER AGAIN.) Nevertheless, in spite of Janssen and Van der Straaten KNOWING that Natalee was never even dropped off, there stood Straaten before the media, telling them: “She could have come thru another way.”

      There are so many lie-statements surrounding THAT drop off lie, it is a disgrace that ALL the LIE statements surrounding just that ONE drop off point do not even exist, no less all the other lie statements that were subsequent to that one!

      But there was Straaten, telling the world that “she could have come thru another way”…when, he KNEW that not only was THAT impossible, but that he had EVIDENCE TO PROVE SHE WAS NEVER EVEN DROPPED OFF AT THE HOTEL, AT ALL, and that he had WITNESSES who could substantiate this and discredit these contemptuous DROP OFF LIES all in one single blow!

      When Mr. O’Reilly told the world, the other day (using his disclaimer of “unconfirmed” sources) that “Natalee Holloway died of CARDIAC ARREST, brought on by an overdose of cocaine” … how do you suppose her father felt about that ( knowing that HEAVY BATTERY CHARGES WERE LEVELED AT GUIDO WEVER concerning his precious baby?)

      When Mr. O’Reilly told the world, that “according to top LE officials Natalee INGESTED THE COCAINE WITH JORAN” – …
      honestly, Lorraine, how do you suppose her mother felt, KNOWING that JORAN had told the family that she was “falling asleep” and that she was drifiting in and out of consciousness – while also stating the sexual assaults he inflicted upon her during this time, only for the family to then learn …that Joran was telling his schoolmates that “she HIT HER HEAD ON A ROCK AND DROWNED”?

      When the family heard their beautiful, responsible daughter described as “ingesting cocaine WITH JORAN”, do you not believe their experience of that was that “WITH” communicated the suggestion of this being ” a choice”, despite repeated statements by Beth and Dave that Natalee would NEVER GO OFF WITH 3 STRANGE MEN, no less for these monsters to now assault her in death with “drug user” slander!!! NEVER!

      I realize Mr. O’R prefaced his statement as having been made by “top LE officials”, however, one must also ask:
      Does Mr. O’Reilly have a DUTY to PURSUE the TRUTH and to represent it in the reporting of “information” that he presents to the viewing public? Would having a counter-opinion to represent the CHILD WHO HAS NO VOICE, NO JUSTICE, NO PLACE TO REST HER HEAD – not seem at the very least, a fair, respectable balance to offer when reporting “unconfirmed reports”?

      Where should Beth and Dave and their family put their pain and angish with the booming voices in their head of student witnesses who could SEE – that Natalee did NOT APPEAR RIGHT as she exited C and C amidst Mr. O’R's statement of “ingested cocaine WITH”?

      Where should they put the re-playing of agonizing moments that reveal the predators arrived close to 20 minutes before closing time, amidst facts of rape drugs that render their victims helpless, with affects hitting the victim within 15 to 20 minutes of the drug being slipped into their drink – while…Mr. O’R. regurgiates DOMPIG SPIN: “she died of a drug overdose / and or a combination of alcohol and drugs”? Where should this family put Satish’s word: “We got bored, and we all decided to go to THE HOUSE” …- the HOUSE, that neither POLIS, PROSECUTORS, NOR JUDGES WOULD ALLOW TO BE SEARCHED FOR THE HANDPRINTS OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S TORMENT AND SUFFERING!

      And when accounts of her friends are absent these “unsubstantiated” reports being offered, accounts that point to friends noticing something did not seem right about HER EYES….does her mother’s heart not crumble, as she replays in her mind, her precious baby being STOLEN AWAY BY MONSTERS, to the “illusion” of “getting into the car WITH” these devils?

      HER TRUTH! It is right there! Yet no one speaks it!

      Can you not understand why hearing your child being portrayed as a drug user, when the truth is – she was victimized in ways we dare not even speak of … and after hearing her denegrated by the men who walk about freely after violating all her human rights and extracting the ultimate right to LIVE from her, – can you not understand how her father, her mother, her family and friends who KNOW HER TRUTH, and who know what contempt for justice is at work to OBLITERATE her truth, can you not understand how holding onto her truth is the ONE remaining connection they have to Natalee?

      Her body has been stolen from them.
      They can’t even bury her.
      They are left with lies, corruption and the most vile denegration of Natalee while the monstrous individuals who purpetrated these hideous violations upon Natalee and her family, continue to enjoy all privileges and freedoms that were stripped from Natalee by some diabolical decisions made by the hideous that roam Aruba’s beaches, that determined HER LIFE wasn’t worth anything – and so, they took steps to ERASE HER.

      Now, they intend to erase her truth.

      I respect your great admiration for Mr. O’Reilly.
      But if you want the truth of what I feel inside my heart, there are so many reasons why I was so deeply disappointed in Mr. O’Reilly. IF he is the man you say, then I’m sure he can handle the critique that challenges him to be an advocate for this child’s truth!

      I’m not outraged that he ‘reported through an unconfirmed source’ that ….(Aruba-spin), because – he could have used that as an opportunity to then present another opinion, another perspective – and he didn’t.

      Think of someone you loved in your life who you’ve lost.
      Were you able to attend a funeral, a rememberance dedicated to them?

      This family can’t even do that! The hideousness of the cruelty inflicted upon Natalee’s family includes ( as so poignantly noted by, I believe – Maggie)…reports of Natalee being killed by Joran and his pals, which was then retracted, reports of “leading polis to the body” that were retracted, reports of a confession – which was also retracted, …so much MISSING through so many REPORTS, …so much taken away, including their precious child’s body.

      Natalee’s truth has become the one last handprint that she left in Aruba.

      They seek to erase even that.

      Her mother needs to hold the handprint of her baby’s suffering and embrace her one last time.

      But the wretchedness of evil men are insuring that neither Natalee’s mother, nor her father will EVER HOLD their baby’s truth – again.

      When Bill O’ comes on the air to speak of a child so brutally victimized as Natalee, and a family so traumatized as her family, he needs to understand that he walking on the sacred ground of a human being’s life, a CHILD’S LIFE, and that this family – has nothing left as all has been stripped from their hearts, and all that remains is HER TRUTH.

      It is a precious thing to them, and rightfully so, it commands the deepest respect from those journalists who would portray themselves as seekers of her truth!

      No one wants to bash Mr. O’R, but all his good deeds that you see towards others, does not replace the piercing suffering that Natalee’s mother and father continue to bear, each time another journalist doesn’t take the time TO LOOK, TO SEE, TO LISTEN, TO HEAR… this child’s cries beneath the handprint of all that she suffered while the monstrous predators who tormented her, brutalized her, and ultimately murdered her, wake up each day to another fresh start, another new day of unlimited freedoms and privileges, while in Alabama, there is neither a headstone, nor any way to remember Natalee Holloway because after murderering her, they stole what remained – HER BODY, from her grieving family, to insure that all the criminals would never be inconvenienced by prison time.
      The callousness, and heartlessness is absolutely unbelievable!

      My hope is that Mr. O’R. will take a long hard look at why he sits in that chair and simply ask himself how he can be an instrument of something life-giving for this suffering family.

      They are so deserving of hope, and if the most horrific, unthinkable – is indeed true – that Natalee’s body cannot be recovered, then God-willing, at the very least, we can all help this grieving, suffering family bring home Natalee’s truth!

      Aruba! Contain the criminals, NOT the victim!
      Contain the obstructors of justice, the liars – NOT THIS CHILD’S TRUTH!

      Set Natalee Holloway free!
      Release her from the depravity of “CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD”, the unlawful, unjust imprisonment that has been inflicted upon her; release her truth to her family!

      Lorraine, if that day never arrives – that Natalee will finally come home,
      then God-willing, perhaps we can help comfort her family in finding their beloved daughter’s truth,
      so that some day – perhaps they can bring her truth home, if nothing more remains of their beloved precious child!

      Honor Natalee, by honoring HER TRUTH!
      Seek her truth, by telling HER STORY!
      Justice for Natalee and for her beautiful family!

    80. Concerned on July 22nd, 2007 10:53 pm

      A man concerned with the molestation of children would not have proclaimed that Shaun enjoyed being molested, repeatedly, from the age of 12-15, nor would he have produced a show that proclaimed by implication, tone, and body language that Natalee got what she should have expected. He wants Jessica’s Law adopted for sure, he is sincerely pushing for it in front of all of his viewers, but he wants it so he can look very powerful and that his show is a culture changer, not to protect the children. He obviously could care less and privately thinks the children enjoy what they get. How else do you explain him insisting that Shaun liked it, and that Natalee deserved it.

    81. yoyo muffintop on July 22nd, 2007 11:53 pm

      Funny thing is, O’Reilly has speculated all along during this case. Only this time people here are outraged because it goes against the prevailing theory here: that PJ2K drugged/kidnapped/raped/murdered. Just a few:

      “Looks like she’s dead because the five people, two arrested, three interviewed, are all shady characters.”
      (6/6/05)

      “I think this was a straight abduction scene. OK? Was she probably — she went to a Boyz II Men concert before she went to the bar, where she danced and partied. All right? Then she indeed and everybody saw her leave with a couple of guys. Now after that is when I– obviously, she got into trouble.”
      (6/6/05)

      “But to me, I mean, a woman like this, 18 years old, we know her background, doesn’t have sex with three guys she doesn’t know. I mean, that doesn’t happen.”
      (6/6/05)

      ***
      O’REILLY: And that, unfortunately, leaves me to believe that this poor woman, the chances of her being alive right now are not strong.

      CANDICE DeLONG (Retired FBI agent): Correct. Even if they weren’t drug dealers, I am with you in your assessment of what her situation may be now because if these are the five people that are most likely to have been with her, and they’re in custody or being looked at, where is she?

      O’REILLY: She’s at the bottom of the ocean.

      DeLONG: That’s what’s got me worried.

      O’REILLY: She’s at the bottom of the ocean.

      DeLONG: It’s not looking good.
      (6/6/05)
      ***

      “I think one of these sleazy thugs will flip. And we’ll probably have this solved at the end of the week — by the end of the week.”
      (6/6/05)

      ***
      O’REILLY: You have a long history investigating murder. A girl gone this long?

      PATRICK J. BROSNAN (Former New York City homicide detective): It smells very bad. 240 hours. Where is she? It’s a small island.

      O’REILLY: It’s either she’s held captive someplace, because there is that sex trade in the Caribbean. So there is a possibility that they didn’t do that [murder]. But if you don’t have a body, if they threw the body in the ocean, and there are a lot of sharks, you know.
      (6/8/05)

    82. yoyo muffintop on July 23rd, 2007 12:30 am

      But if one was to go with this jerryr/bor theory, it does give justice to those seeking. No idea # of years aruba gives, but in the US you’ll get about 10-15ys for hiding a body and throw another 5+yrs for obstruction. Just recently happened in Wisconsin(7/20). One got 10, the other 13 1/2 for hiding a body of a person who over dosed in their presence:
      http://tinyurl.com/2953fo

      If it’s about justice, this jr/bor story will get it. If it’s about d/k/m/r, then no.

    83. Frank on July 23rd, 2007 12:34 am

      yoyo,

      His latest was not speculation, you’re wrong with your comparison.

      This was his “scoop” mentality that he had a “high level source” and it was “a new twist.”

      He had virtually no commentary. For O’Reilly he acted like a MSM news anchor. This was different and unusual.

      He endorsed someone else’s fact, that’s what’s different from the quotes you posted.

    84. Scared Monkeys on July 23rd, 2007 7:33 am

      [...] Dave Holloway on Geraldo At Large … Seems Geraldo Back Peddling on Cocaine Overdose Story [...]

    85. Lorraine on July 23rd, 2007 9:29 am

      Think what you all wish…. After reading #80, I will no longer respond to this thread! But I will say that post is sick and vile!!!!!

    86. Pearl on July 23rd, 2007 9:45 am

      83 – Frank, you took the words right out of my mouth.

      Comparison by yoyo: severely flawed.

      81 – no, yoyo, it does NOT give justice. You are twisting what JUSTICE actually IS, and attempting to twist it into some sort of “let’s make a deal”.

      To slander Natalee and WHO she is, given ALL she suffered will NEVER add up to justice!

      They stole her very life!
      They stole all her hopes and dreams!
      They robbed her from her family!
      The depravity with which they then proceeded to STEAL her remains from her family, so THEY wouldn’t be caused any “discomfort” is absolutely evil.
      But then – on top of the LIES, OBSTRUCTIONS they created, and the CONTEMPT before courts, they then proceeded to SLANDER her good name, in order to portray HER as somehow “willing and complicit” to these hideous, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS that THEY inflicted UPON HER, and AGAINST HER WILL.

      You can’t “pick and choose” portions of WHAT SHE SUFFERED, and try to twist it into some perverted NEW LIE, like all the other filthy lies they told in their attempts to TWIST her TRUTHS OF HOW SHE WAS TORMENTED AND THE TORTURE AND SUFFERING THAT WAS INFLICTED UPON HER, and in so doing, attempt to then morph HER AGONY into some perverse lie of “willing party girl” package with the slander of “drug user” as the bow to tie this depravity together!

      IT IS – WHAT IT IS, YOYO!

      HER TRUTH, not THEIR FILTHY LIES!

      HER TRUTH!

      And you know what her truth IS:
      – kidnapping
      – drugging her
      – GANG RAPING HER
      – HEAVY BATTERY
      – MURDER
      – DESECRATION OF HER BODY
      – CONTAINMENT WITH THE DEAD

      (just to name a few of the heinous, vicious human rights violations inflicted upon this precious child!)

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, THE RAPISTS, THE CONTAIN-ERS OF THE DEAD, and not the gang-raped, beaten,drugged, kidnapped, murdered VICTIM!

      TRANSPARENCY = TRUTH!
      TRANSPARENCY LEADS TO JUSTICE WHERE TRUTH IS SOUGHT, AND NOT CRIMINAL DEPRAVITY AND LIES!

      ARUBA SOUGHT TO “CONTAIN” THE DEPRAVITY!

      CONTAIN THE KILLERS OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY, ARUBA!
      RELEASE THE DEPRAVITY OF WHAT THIS CHILD SUFFERED, AND SEEK HER TRUTH!

      CONTAIN THE MONSTERS WHO VIOLATED NATALEE’S HUMAN RIGHTS!

      RELEASE NATALEE FROM THIS UNJUST, UNLAWFUL IMPRSIONMENT AND CONTEMPTABLE DEPRAVITY INFLICTED UPON THIS CHILD!

      THIS CHILD HAS HUMAN RIGHTS, ARUBA!
      HONOR THIS CHILD’S HUMAN RIGHTS!

    87. Donna on July 23rd, 2007 11:39 am

      Misinformation and deliberate smear campaign by none other than Aruba residents like Renfro? She is the one who spread the rumor that Natalee ran off with a blonde blue-eyed Dutchman, the one who told Dave and Beth Natalee was found and her body was at the courthouse. She among many others trying to blame the victim.
      And Geraldo and O’Reilly? Both Bozoes!!! Tabloid journalists at best.

    88. Chicago Jim on July 23rd, 2007 12:26 pm

      I don’t know if anyone caught Geraldo’s entire show, but he’s a joke. When the show first started he brought up Natalee and I qoute, “the backlash that I reported on O’Reilly’s show the other night” we will get to that in a minute. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA backpedaling Gerry at his finest. Sensational journalism…. ALWAYS AT FOX!

      Then, when he actually had Dave on, via the phone, he cut him off when Dave was right in the middle of making a statement cuz Gerry had to do a commercial.

      Boycott Fox news too!!!!

    89. ben on July 23rd, 2007 12:40 pm

      will he oreilly say anything about his slander,on the news tonite,loraine.if you know him tell him to read his fan mail on here.

    90. Carpe Noctem on July 23rd, 2007 1:26 pm

      I keep thinking they cannot possibly soOOOO

      stupid as to keep stalling and d-in’

      around over this case!!!

      All of the millions that have gone straight down

      the drain over these wor*Fless three t-burgers….

      …but every day I wake up, and they are still

      acting like complete idiots,

      and do NUTTIN TO FIX IT….

      righting *A*N*Y of their wrongs!!!!

      …and I’m like,

      Ain’t that a kick in the horse apples, all the time?

      Kiss me, RUBA.

      (U know the 10-20)

      JUSTICE FOR NAT-SKI!

    91. mbs on July 23rd, 2007 4:25 pm

      #80, Concerned, I agree. I lost all faith in BOR’s “victim’s advocacy” after his reporting on Shawn Hornbeck.

    92. Brie on July 23rd, 2007 5:25 pm

      O’Reilly belongs in Aruba, he can then report, along with Julia all the mistruths, degrading and slanderous comments, of which everyone knows is a lie. Scumbags and douch bags have their own newspaper. Which makes a good toilet wipe for trolls!

    93. katablog.com on July 23rd, 2007 6:50 pm

      Fascinating to see when the trolls do and don’t come out. BTW the idiot that thinks that GHB speculation is no better than cocaine speculation – YOU ARE WRONG.

      Everything known about Natalee and Joran point to the fact that Natalee was drugged with GHB. That’s Joran’s MO and cocaine was NOT Natalee’s MO. Your own pathetic investigators admitted that GHB in drinks at CnC in Aruba was a well known fact.

      We know that no one saw Natalee with cocaine. We know that Natalee would know it was dangerous to take drugs while she was on prescriptions. We know that Natalee had never done illegal drugs.

      We know that Joran “had done it 20 times before”. We know that Deepak told Joran if they found the girl Joran would get 15 years. We know that Joran is a chronic liar and even admits to the same. we know Joran has a despicable character. We know Joran was involved in disposing of Natalee’s body.

      GHB makes perfect sense. Cocaine does not.

    94. ben on July 23rd, 2007 9:02 pm

      oreilly,did not say a thing about Natalee on his show monday nite .Go to foxnews .com ,theres a place on there whereyou send news tips,Send this,,,,,,,A reliable aruban source has confirmed bill Oreilly will be taking a free aruban vacantion shortly.

    95. minnesota dad on July 23rd, 2007 9:19 pm

      Anyone have any idea when the KLPD is going to have Karin Janssen’s “Paulus not a suspect” letter retracted, when the KLPD are going to reverse the Judge’s order declaring Paulus not a suspect….and bring his butt in.

      Come on Aruba and KLPD….stop being disengenuous. Bring Paulus in and clean this case up.

      MD

      p.s. Paulus is your perp.

    96. IndyDan on July 23rd, 2007 9:53 pm

      Why can’t BOR see the Real Story? Why was he fed this disinformation and furthermore what was it’s purpose. Investigate the source, out them and make that the Breaking News.
      The Coke story is so laughable that even Geraldo was embarrassed in his next night show.
      The point to BOR is, here’s a real chance to really MAKE A NEWS STORY. Expose the Aruban coverup, show whose behind the scenes.
      BOR – bottom line is this, what do you owe this dangerous, corrupt and very evil island?

    97. Brie on July 23rd, 2007 11:39 pm

      Paulus, not a suspect. How can he not be? Because the reasons why he should be a suspect where never investigated. They did nothing about the timeline, ? never came up, they did nothing about the ATM withdrawal, ? never came up, they did nothing about the inquiries on the computer of drug and alcohol interactions, ? never came up. There were no questions of consequence. So therefore, he won his lawsuit. Paulus has friends that can call the shots and also return favors. I bet there’s years of stinky stuff all over the place.

    98. Chuck on July 24th, 2007 12:25 pm

      I just got back from an amazing honeymoon in Aruba. It is a beautiful place and will definitely go back there again and again. Boycott the boycott.

    99. nurturer on July 24th, 2007 12:32 pm

      #55 – Keeping it PITHY. You’re learning.

    100. Carpe Noctem on July 24th, 2007 6:06 pm

      Hey Joran,

      Good News / Bad News…

      Good News:

      GOOGLE EARTH aquires company to boost aerial mapping; ‘can capture details as small as 6 to 12 inches’…

      Bad News:

      It’s going to be another full ten years before

      you’ll be able to scope your ‘johnson’

      from outer space!!!

      Rock on playa… JUSTICE 4 NATALEE,

      u know it’s coming yeahhh.

    101. kay zee ess on July 24th, 2007 7:33 pm

      Methinks that the Fox network and its minions are being handsomely rewarded by the business interests of the fair isle to vilify and accuse the victim of drug abuse and attempting, in their feeble way, to exonerate the perpetrators of the foul deed of murder.

      Pray thee, return to the fair and beautiful isle of Aruba, for King Bill and his jester Geraldo decree it.

      But alas, as now we know, the Emperor(and his jester) hath no clothes. Their plan laid bare by the very stench of their breath attemping to vilify Natalee and her family.

      For shame O’Reilly and Rivera, for shame. Of all people, it was felt that you were the most fair, yet you proclaimeth as truth that which you know not.

      Verily, I guess the price indeed was right for you.

    102. ben on July 24th, 2007 8:07 pm

      I can not understand how orealllly,can slander Natalee And not even seem to give a DAMN.

    103. kay zee ess on July 24th, 2007 11:17 pm

      #99

      I guess all that good he does earns him a vacation to Aruba.

      All he has to do is besmirch Natalies’ reputation without a trace of evidence. VanderSloot really has pull to get Bill on their side, I guess. Date rape drugs was not in his vocabulary, but she willingly got high and died from cocaine. AND HE BELIEVES IT.

      I’m not bashing O’Reilley, I’m admiring his sense of fair play on his one. Why should he care? It’s only one girl and the island is sooo nice, right, Bill?

    104. mayan_moons on July 25th, 2007 1:12 am

      LOL Carpe!

      Even then it’ll make *fun size* appear enormous!

    105. w.j.smekens on September 9th, 2007 5:41 pm

      I think Nat has been kidnapped,
      as payment for some drug affairs of Paulus
      she probably now is
      doing some job in prostitution

      better go look there

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