Since When Does Bill O’Reilly Report Unconfirmed FACTOR News? Natalee Holloway Died of Cardiac Arrest from Cocaine?


Natalee Holloway Died of Cardiac Arrest of Cocaine Overdose???

Why would anyone make an accidental overdose into an international affair by hiding a body? Answer: They wouldn’t

But they would try to cover up an accidental overdose of XTC and an assault

(The Factor is not able to confirm independently)
“Natalee Holloway, the 18 year old woman who disappeared two years ago in Aruba died from cardiac arrest brought on by an overdose of cocaine. According to top LE officials, Natalee ingested the cocaine with Joran van der Sloot and one of the Kalpoe brothers. Her body was then disposed of in the ocean.”
We managed to get a brief answer from Jossy Mansur as to what he thought of the above interview:
That it’s opinionated, and based on the questionable statement that the authorities ‘believe’ that’s what happened, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, and that the ‘news’ is not ‘independently confirmed.’ That says it all to me.
Last night Bill O’Reilly and Geraldo Rivera reported that they had from a credible source Aruba talking headshow Natalee Holloway really died. After 2+ years of following this case the use of the word “credible source” without a name attached should be laughed away. However, that being said and if one is to believe this “unconfirmed independently” report then please explain the following two simple questions:
1. If someone died of an accidental overdose, why would anyone go through the trouble of hiding a body whether it be on land or at sea. A tourist dying of an alcohol or drug overdose would not be news. It has happened before. Why the secrecy? Why all the lies from Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes? Why the need for so many versions of stories to the police? Why would Aruban officials ruin Aruba’s tourism over something as simple an an accidental overdose?
2. If as reported from Bill O’Reilly this is what really happened, then the ALE knew this since when, 5/30/05? So they covered up this information all this time, why? There is no good reason why, if this was a case of a simple drug overdose that this story would have played out as it did. Aruba 3 suspectsSo if Aruban officials knew this was the reason why Natalee died then they still partook in a cover-up. What would be the point of the cover-up?

 We asked Jossy Mansur what his take was on Natalee Holloway dying in the ridiculous manner and that the cocaine overdose theory not making any sense. Also, if he had heard any such reports.

I completely agree: if Natalee’s death was ‘accidental’ (from an overdose), why the stories, the lies, the tons of declarations to the investigators? Paul van der Sloot, who knows the intricacies of our penal code, would have immediately instructed his son and his friends to go to the police and come clean with the theory that she died of an overdose.

They would have faced charges of concealment of an accidental death, which doesn’t carry a long prison term, if any, and the use of illicit substances, which also doesn’t carry a long or stiff prison sentence. I don’t know why all these ‘stories’ are coming up at this time, we are sticking to our points of view at the DIARIO, until someone comes up with a believable, well-documented explanation for her disappearance. (Jossy Mansur)

So the questions in this case always come back to why.

Why would one feel the need to hide and conceal a body from being found if it was an accidental overdose? Answer: Because those responsible for the crime did not want to see the condition the body was in or have forensics done. Was there a sexual assault? Bruises? Marks, scratches and signs of a struggle? More to the point, if there was an overdose, maybe it was not cocaine … but instead an overdose of XTC.

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  • Comments

    222 Responses to “Since When Does Bill O’Reilly Report Unconfirmed FACTOR News? Natalee Holloway Died of Cardiac Arrest from Cocaine?”

    1. Iggy1 on July 20th, 2007 9:09 am

      It looks like Aruba knows that Natalee’s body will be found at the bottom of the ocean this time with Tim Millers search. So Aruba comes up with the same story for Natalee as the one they did on the death of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of an overdose of cocaine.

    2. Robert on July 20th, 2007 9:15 am

      “…Them (Natalees Uncles) being offered drugs…” Is that a proof of something?
      Tourists in f.i. Amsterdam who buy drugs that are offered to them on the streets in 99,9% of the cases in fact buy powder suger, washing powder, grinded rubber, grinded leafes, milk powder, dogs poep, caramel… And so on, and so on….
      That proofs nothing!

    3. GAP on July 20th, 2007 9:23 am

      Alto comisario Peter de Witte a confirma…

      ORANJESTAD(AAN):Alto comisario di polis Peter de Witte den un entrevista durante presencia di consul Mericano na Aruba no kier a bisa mucho riba e caso di desaparicion di e hoben Americano na Aruba.

      Loke si e alto comisario a trece dilanti tabata cu den e proximo dianan lo bay tin un declaracion official riba henter e caso y investigacion di e hoben perdi Natalee Holloway.

      Kizas esaki ta loke e Hulandesnan a bin haci na Aruba algun luna pasa y a keda algun siman ocupando lugar di henter e team di recherché anti droga cu mester a muda bay warda di polis na Noord.

      Awor cu nan a bay Hulanda lo bay hinca tur cos den otro y finalmente sera e caso unda polis manera alto comisario mes a confirma lo bin duna un statement completo.

      Pesey mes nos lo keda pendiente pasobra e caso aki lo wordo sera y poni finalmente riba un hold cu ta bira tambe un “Cold Case”.

      Can anyone out translate this?

    4. Pam on July 20th, 2007 9:24 am

      Maybe Natalee was like her uncle…smart enough to say no to the cocaine she may have been offered. Just because she was offered cocaine does not mean she took it. They are assuming that just because she is a teenage that she could not say no. I don’t buy it…she was too smart. I agree with Iggy1. I think they are trying to cover all basis so that when Tim Miller finds her body there will be an explanation. They are a joke.

    5. Nut44x4 on July 20th, 2007 9:27 am

      # 2 (no pun intended)….dog poop???

    6. bc on July 20th, 2007 9:33 am

      “the slick rock n roll man of the hour” Joran Van der Sloot is hardly what I would call this little “gansta weasel”. Who writes this stuff? Geraldo turns my stomach almost as much as the VDS’s. Haven’t the Holloway’s (Twitty’s too) gone through enough without usubstantiated reports?

    7. nurturer on July 20th, 2007 9:45 am

      Whoever this reliable source is, they are talking in ‘definites’ and ‘absolutes’. How can they do that when there has not been any medical examination, ie, an autoposy of the body? It’s merely gossip at this point. Like most everything else that comes out of ‘paradise’.

      If the source for this story is from Aruba, then I must say I’m a little bit surpised by O’Reilly’s quickness to embrace the theory. In the past, he has always said, that unless assigned, he would never set foot in Aruba due to the corrupt direction this whole investigation took. Now suddenly he is a believer?

      It just doesn’t make sense. That a girl so studious with the 4.0 GPA, would suddenly, out of the blue, decide to ingest an ILLEGAL drug with three STRANGERS knowing she had a plane to catch in 6 hours.

      She went from being responsible all her life, to being LOSER IRRESPONSIBLE in a few days??

      I ain’t buyin’ it.

    8. 10061906 on July 20th, 2007 9:47 am

      Well first off about Bill and Geraldo:
      Yellow Journalism at its WORST!!!!!
      I am so totally pi$$ed that I would like to kick both of their pompas a$$es and then go for their throats.
      Who the hell is Bill’s so called reliable source?
      If it’s someone from Aruba; we don’t have to worry do we?
      Everyone lies on Aruba. Maybe Anita ratted on her sporter?
      COULD Aruba really want to stop the bleeding and is ready to charge and convict someone and bring an end to this Fiasco?
      Why didn’t Bill follow up on that? Noooooo; Instead he gave us that insidious look that makes you want to throw up.
      If his sources are that damn accurate why didn’t he follow up with bring Joran back in and convict him of illegal disposing of a body and abandonment. Both crimes in Aruba and that’s the truth.
      But noooo; they continued to talk about their little spies at C and C’s and speculated that Natalee ingested cocaine. TOTAL IRRESPONSIBLE REPORTING FOR SENSATIONALISM!!!!!!
      Better yet how did this party know that Joran knew Natalee was dead? Are first aid courses given at The International School in How to abduct and kill an American tourist 101?
      If he states that is what happened; how do we know that Natalee may have still been alive albeit in a coma from the drugs Joran administered to her?
      How do we know that the reason she drowned wasn’t because he kept her head underwater.
      And pray tell me A$$hole Bill how did Joran dispose of Natalee? Did he swim out with her under his arms? Or as Micheal Dompig has stated; Joran and Keon took out papa Gottenbos boat?
      Maybe that is why Keon pees himself and sleeps with mommy and daddy.
      Bill you never followed up on that either.
      The Fox News Network should be called the Hoover Network, because it sure sucks!!!!!
      Fox News the Enquire of the TV Networks.
      Beth should bring suit against the network for defamation of her daughter’s character; because they (B and G) will not and cannot produce the person responsible for this bullShit.
      Because if he did he would end up being used as a candle in a cave ala Pitbull.
      They needed to boost their ratings and the producers pushed for something earth shattering.
      The only thing I would want to hear shattering would be when I would kick Bill and Geraldo in the gonads.
      Again yellow journalism at its worst: totally unsubstantiated and in their minds a fantasy.
      As an aside why has the Fox Network turned against Natalee??????????????
      We have had BS from Greta and these two yoyo’s; is Nancy next???????????????

    9. Meee on July 20th, 2007 9:47 am

      She did die from drug use. But it was a date rape drug. Not cocaine.

    10. Mike on July 20th, 2007 9:50 am

      I have always wondered why these talking heads never use logic and ask each other the basic questions presented above.

      This is just a teaser to get someone to watch his show…neither O’Reilly or Rivera say why would anyone hide a accidental death….thats the first thing anyone would and should ask.

      Here’s another question that should be asked….Why would anyone sit in jail for 3 months for a accidental death as Joren did?

      Seems lately that the talking heads IQ’s have dropped concerning this case.

    11. minnesota dad on July 20th, 2007 9:53 am

      This is pretty simple:

      1) To determine someone died of a cocaine overdose you need a body to determine if, in fact, cocaine was the culprit. If a high up LE person is saying she died of a cocaine overdose, someone did an autopsy….or else, drum roll, someone is again lying on Aruba. Aruba, produce the autopsy reports or stop spinning this.

      2) Come on….a cocaine overdose? We already know that a drug dealer admitted selling her cocaine. Then, drum roll, we found out the drug dealer was no other than the non credible brother in law of Chief Dompig himself, Boeti!

      3) This is not news. Dompig when he did the TV special a year ago stated that he thought she died of a drug overdose.

      The Drug Overdose theory doesn’t add up. Why the lost evidence, the bloody mattress, the missing witness statements, the repeated lies, tampered evidence, the police car transcript, Paulus being redeclared a suspect…but not being redeclared a suspect, the Heavy Battery, the AHATA members spamming these boards, the judges amending search warrants, witness tampering, etc. etc. etc.

      ARUBA & KLPD – Is this it? Is this the end game? You are going to call Bill O’Reilly; tell him it was a drug overdose and then spin like hell? Are we now suddenly going to see missing witness statements (including Paulus 6/16 disappeared witness statement, and Lorenzo’s 6/16 disappeared witness statement….how many more statements are going to “REAPPEAR” to support the Cardiac Arrest from Cocaine BS you are trying to pull?). Ain’t buying what you are selling.

      Shame on your island and the Netherlands for trying to spin this. SHOW ME THE AUTOPSY STATING THERE WAS CARDIAC ARREST! THEN DELIVER THE BODY TO THE FAMILY. You won’t…because you (Aruba and the Netherlands) are LYING again.


    12. postahchild on July 20th, 2007 9:57 am

      It appears to me that they are slandering this young lady’s memory with very, very shaky “evidence.” Almost all cocaine is ingested by one of two methods – snorting (powder) or smoking (crack), so it would be impossible to slip someone cocaine without their knowing what you were doing. Therefore, what they are saying, in essence, is that Natalee’s death was caused by a voluntary drug overdose, and that is so unfair. When Dompig came on t.v. saying they had statements by people that Natalee had been seen with drugs, I said the same thing: People should keep their mouths shut until there is some proof about how she died and not cast aspersions on someone who is not here to defend herself. But what can you expect – it’s Geraldo Rivera.

    13. micah on July 20th, 2007 10:04 am

      Interesting that Greta said nothing about this “new development” on last night’s show.

    14. buster on July 20th, 2007 10:05 am

      Any one know why Tony Rivers would change his name to Geraldo Rivera ??? Looks like Bill is crossing over to gretta’s side

    15. Brenda on July 20th, 2007 10:08 am

      Remember the words of C.S. Lewis (Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe)…

      “By placing a little truth in a lie, it makes the lie that much stronger.”

      Let me explain. I (by accident) learned an IT support person I call in AL lives in the same area at the Holloways. Her son attended school with Nat’s younger brother and this lady told me over a year ago they know Nat died from date rape overdose and was dumped in the ocean. THAT is what Nat’s family believes.

      Now…whoever “spilled” DID tell part of the truth. Yes, Nat OD’d. Yes, she was dumped in the ocean. Yes, Joran and the Po bros love their cocaine. Most likely did so that night…VERY doubtfully WITH Nat. Yes, they DID go out on a boat with her! Yes, they did panick and cover up this crime. Even IF she died of cocaine overdose, why did they not seek help? Because they are into selling/buying drugs (duh). Either way they are guilty. EVERY way they are guilty.

      It’s a good sign someone is wearing down….feeling guilty?….beginning to speak in 1/2 truths. If Nat is truly in that crab cage, they should find her. If not, they will not. Anyone who grew up on the ocean like me (Tampa…lived 1 1/2 mile from the beach) KNOWS how the ocean currents move around the bay and gulf. I’d know where to put something to go out to sea, and when to do so based on tides. I studied the tides because I hunted sea shells and understood the movement of the waters and the seasons. I knew when the sand bars would be exposed simply based on the moon and tides/time of year. These boys had that knowledge….but here’s another opinion of mine over the beach search.

      I believe (haven’t said this before) that her body DID wash up on shore and had to be put back out in that cage. She was dumped twice. Make sense?

      Thoughts from anyone else??


    16. Chicago Jim on July 20th, 2007 10:09 am

      #11, AfrickinMEN, MD.

      More bs form the sh*ithole island. Fox news is a joke. Rivera is So uncredible and I expected a little more from Bill.

      RETURN OUR ANGEL, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    17. katablog on July 20th, 2007 10:13 am

      I think some people are being a little too hard on Geraldo and Bill O’Reilly. They are reporting what they were told. You are right that they should have asked questions and should have reported it with far more doubt since Aruba has yet to come up with anyone on the Island with any credibility. But, it does keep the story in the news – and that’s a good thing.

      There is only one way that anyone on Aruba could “know” that Natalee ingested Cocaine. That would be because either Deepak or Joran told them. Since we know Deepak and Joran are both liars, that should be the reason for reporters not being so definitive in their reporting. It can’t be because an autopsy was done because you have to have a body to perform an autopsy (well unless we just don’t understand Aruba’s system again).

      Bill and Geraldo should remember that the last “credible source” from Aruba was Boeti, Dumbpig’s drugged out brother-in-law. Is that the same basis they use to decide credibility?

      Surely their source can’t be Dumbpig because he was floating the hospital plane last week.

      Maybe Bill and Geraldo are floating the story to see if it won’t give someone an out? Maybe Paulus and Joran now believe that the body won’t reveal any forensics?

      But as everyone here has stated: the cocaine story simply doesn’t make sense. There would be no reason to dispose of a body of a person who ingest cocaine. Leave her where she is, let someone discover the body, do an autopsy and write it off as an overdose.

      The only reason to dispose of a body is because the body would reveal a crime – like rape, date rape drugs, battery and assault.

      No reason to lie about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. No reason to sweat buckets. No reason to make up numerous stories about where they did and didn’t go. No reason to describe Natalee’s panties. No reason for cover stories. No reason for “no body, no case”.

    18. Janet on July 20th, 2007 10:18 am

      Flashback to March, 2006 …
      Gerold Dompig
      48 HOURS
      March 22, 2006
      Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.
      “We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed,” says Dompig.
      The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
      “We’re not talking about killers here,” he says.
      Or, as Dompig reveals for the first time, they could have had accomplices. “New people are coming in the picture. It is possible that there was a second group involved, or more people than these three boys,” he says.

    19. Steve Holloway on July 20th, 2007 10:38 am

      My brothers and I went to C&C to show Geraldo Rivera how easy it is to buy drugs, but we never did buy any drugs. We do not use or have the desire to use drugs nor break the law. Within seconds of driving up to C&C we could have bought drugs and been on our way.
      The light is starting to shine onto Aruba, to show the world what we have seen for along time. Its not going to be pretty. I think the ocean search may lead people to come forward with what they know, just to be the first one to strike a deal to stay out of jail. Pray for justice to be done and answers to be coming soon and healing to a nation. May God bless you. Steve Holloway

    20. dennisintn on July 20th, 2007 10:40 am

      well, the best that can be said about geraldo and bill’s expose is that they did keep qualifying the assertions by saying numerous times that there was no confirmation or proof to anything they were reporting. that said, i’ll back off the necktie party for them and just say i’m really disappointed because they became a party to such a gross and erroneous story. it’s basically the same one dompig told months ago, just dressed up with a little more detail. kind of like they’re throwing stories at the wall hoping one of them will stick. another desperate attempt to blame the victim and exculpate the perps and the island tourist trade. despicable actions to say the least.

    21. John Reynolds on July 20th, 2007 10:41 am

      The very fact that a very credible source exists that knows what happened means that the person was present when the death occured, and witnessed it. At this point in the investigation, that person’s status morally if not legally has changed from witness to accomplice. A lesser degree of a credible witness would be if he was involved in the disposal of the body and arrived after she died. An even lesser degree of credible would be a person wih such an intimate relationship with the boys as to feel certain that their confidence was well placed and that he wouldn’t betray them, and the witness would have to have reasons unknown to the rest of the world to believe them. In any of these degrees required to meet the definition of a credible, that witness has become a participant to the crime. Bill O’Reilly claims to have a close enough relationship with the source/witness to determine the witness’s credibility, so at this point Bill is now involved in the coverup of the crime. If not, he has defamed Natalee and her family and provided a measure of exhoneration to Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. The credible source/witness must also know all that are involved in disposing of the body, including who furnished the boat and equipment.

      Much has been said that she overdosed and the boys were simply with her and their crime was in not reporting the death and in disposing of the body. Well, without professional medical help involved, why would they be so certain that she was dead. Everyday of the world highly trained nurses in medical settings with bright lights and equipment are not able to find a heartbeat or respirations, which are present but too slight to detect. This incident allegely happened at night,the disgnosis was made by an intoxicated grup of teens, with no equipment and no trained people involved. The cause of death being an overdose, faint repirations and pulse would be expected, so there is a huge possibiity that they killed her when they disposed of the body. In fact, absent a qualified statement of death, the authorities should presume she was alive when they disposed of the body.

      Mr O’Reilly is clearly out of bounds, defamed Natalee, and is exhonaerating the boys to a degree, simply to unjustly enrich his pockets with profits. He has no credibility and his show should be canceled due to his irresponsible treatment of this story.

    22. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 10:43 am

      Can we get Jossy in the USA?
      I’d tune into Jossey because the man has an interest in asking questions and telling the truth!

      Let’s get a man with an interest in integrity to fill one of the talking head’s chairs.
      Jossy: are you free to fill a chair over at fox, for some men who either are no longer interested in truth or justice, or who simply have forgotten WHAT it means to live in America!

      O’Reilly was a waste of time and a huge disappointment.
      Not only did he not read, but then goes on to report from “unconfirmed” sources!

      The lack of responsible journalism, makes the two of them ( Geraldo and O’Reilly) truly a sad duo.

      Tell us, O’Reilly and Geraldo: when was the last time you took a good hard look at those lights in your box – because THAT’s what you fed us with your “report” on Natalee Holloway.

      “All I can hope to teach my son is to tell the truth and fear no man” And: “The only thing that counts is the right to know, to speak, to think — that, and the sanctity of the courts. Otherwise it’s not America.” E. R. Murrow

      Bill, thanks for throwing us all into a foreign land that lacks all the sanctity of what we would HOPE to stand for in America.

      Make no mistake, Bill: The ‘place’ you took us to, with your “report” on Natalee, was NOT America, Bill.
      You took us to ARUBA!
      I thought you were reporting ON NATALEE, BILL?
      Instead, you dumped all of us in Aruba, in the vile ditch of contempt for EVERYTHING that we value and honor:

      – integrity
      – justice
      – TRUTH

      You had the power to raise questions in this child’s good name and you failed her miserably.

      TO KNOW…
      TO THINK…
      TO SPEAK…
      AND TO FEAR NO MAN ( particularly the MONSTERS who now continue to trample upon the Spirit of this honorable, innocent American child, whose human rights were obliterated in Aruba!)

      We don’t want to be dumped in Aruba, Bill.
      We want the light of Natalee’s truth brought BACK to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

      Do you think you could manage to read the transcripts and come up with some solid, intelligent questions – FOR HER, BILL, for HER FAMILY, and IN HER GOOD HONORABLE NAME?





    23. dennisintn on July 20th, 2007 10:45 am

      just think, palm beach just agreed to hire one of the chiefs responsible for the last 2 years of these steaming little horse apples. palm beach should be so proud. i don’t recommend vacationing there anymore than i would aruba. the next shark attack victim will be blamed for looking and acting slutty, partying in the ocean, and asking to be attacked. it was her fault. just wait and see if i’m not right.

    24. Janet on July 20th, 2007 10:47 am

      I believe a drug overdose is a real possibility. When you consider that somebody at the VDS residence was searching the web on the topic of drug overdoses on the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing. However … the reason that assistance was not requested and the body disposed was because of what was done to Natalee’s person prior to her death.

    25. Mere on July 20th, 2007 10:48 am

      How about BOR and GR have someone like JQK to represent Natalee when FOX intends to smear her….bet JQK wanted
      nothing to do with this kind of report.

    26. Robert on July 20th, 2007 10:49 am

      # Nut44x4 | July 20, 2007, 9:27 am

      Dog poop!!! (Spelled it wrong because my “Oxford American Dictionaries”-widget apparently refused to translate it and gave the dutch word as translation…)

    27. Treehouse on July 20th, 2007 10:58 am

      Geraldo said, “…the homicide…”, while refering to Natalee’s death. How is it homicide if she died of “accidental overdose”? He hasn’t changed his mind about this whole thing; he still believes she was murdered.

      Too bad he doesn’t have the guts to call O’Reilly on this “independently unconfirmed” “you just have to trust me on this one” “we know it’s the truth, even though we have no proof” load of crap, instead of shrugging and whimpering, “It’s plausible”.

      If “a high level official” is feeding PR bites to O’Reilly, then someone must be getting nervous about the upcoming TES search. O’Reilly is so noble in his declaration that “we must protect our source”. If his source is a high level official, how does O’Reilly excuse the official from his/her responsibility of protecting Natalee, the Island of Aruba, and the Truth?” O’Reilly’s cloak of nobility is easily donned, and just as easily, cast off.

    28. Observer on July 20th, 2007 11:04 am

      This is from todays Diario article(Papi Translation) and Summary from Jossy.

      The article states that the Dutch chief of police said that the ALE will soon come out with a statement, which is a kind of prelude to the closing of the case. In other words, no more direct investigation will follow. It doesn’t mean, however, that if and when new tips or revelations come in, that they will not work on them. But, the continuing investigation, as far as we have been able to deduct from his statement, will be over with once the ALE makes its statement, which he promised will happen in the coming days.

      Papi Online Translation

      alto comisario peter de witte owing to confirma… police cla for give relato on all caso natalee holloway

      oranjestad(aan):alto comisario of police peter de witte in one interview during presencia of consul mericano at aruba does not owing to tell mucho on the caso of desaparicion of the young americano at aruba. thing if the alto comisario owing to trece fast was cu in the proximo dianan will bay have one declaracion official on all the caso y investigacion of the young perdi natalee holloway. kizas this is thing the hulandesnan owing to come haci at aruba some month happen y owing to stay some week ocupando lugar of all the team of recherché across from drugs cu have to owing to muda bay keep of police at north now cu they owing to bay the netherlands will bay hinca all cos in another y finalmente close the caso where police as alto comisario self owing to confirma will come give one statement completo. pesey self we will stay pendiente because the caso here will wordo close y poni finalmente on one hold cu is become also one “cold case”.

    29. Brie on July 20th, 2007 11:07 am

      Dompig said we’re not talking about killers. JORAN KILLED HIS DOG!

    30. Observer on July 20th, 2007 11:14 am

      Look’s like all the lies recently are part of the plan before they close the case. The Coverup is complete!!

      Unfortunatly Fox News bought it hook line and sinker. Bill Oreilly passed off this false story from his enormously credible source to his good friend Geraldo who is in dire need of a big story and ratings. I am extremely embarassed for both of them as they did no research and are looking like fools reporting major lies regarding Natalee Holloway.

    31. disgustedmom on July 20th, 2007 11:22 am

      The more I think about this stupid O’Reilly thing the more I wonder if this report was purposful to initiate an agenda about this case. He did conveniently have Geraldo on to discuss 2 topics, the other one being about that Vic guy and the dog fights AND O’R jumped abruptly to the Vic story right in the middle of Geraldo talking about Natalee.

      Not that jumping abruptly is an odd thing for O’R to do…when he’s done talking or is no longer interested in the subject that is what he always does. However, that’s just the thing…..O’R was DONE talking about Natalee from the moment he made his statement about cocaine. It just makes one wonder why he even had this clip on his show at all. It was pointless….no discussion of value….no time alloted to it…it was like a service of some sort….like an agenda that was given to be reported at this time.

      I can’t help thinking that the agenda is to get people to stop talking about this case…and while we all know that is what Aruba wants to happen, WHAT IF it is necessary for other reasons than self serving ones for Aruba? Like for instance…WHAT IF they have found that Natalee is alive being held captive somewhere and they don’t want any more speculation because speculation causes her to have to be moved again and again?

      I’m not making much sense I know….it’s just an idea I’m brewing based on something the cops involved in a case here in the US said the other day….a girl was missing and they didn’t put out an amber alert for her because they had so many leads to where she was that indicated she was still alive being held captive they didn’t want to scare the perps into moving her from the locations where they had leads that she was.

    32. Brenda on July 20th, 2007 11:24 am

      I believe the drug being searched on was GHB if my memory is right. Steven was in here earlier. Is he allowed to tell us if that is what was found when the computer/what was accessed became determined?


      P.S. NOt would I only refuse to travel to Aruba, but in this day and age, I refuse to leave the states!!

    33. Carpe Noctem on July 20th, 2007 11:28 am

      I think Joran may HAVE WANTED Paulus to BELIEVE it was an OD

      like the BIG lying pile of crocodile turds I know

      that scuzz-azz-bomb-O-tron to be…

      ….but I believe it was a



      (which don’t make anything about it “ALRIGHT”)

      GERAL-DIO knows it too, I think!

      …or he wouldn’t have uttered the word homicide…

      ….and rough sex… Joran didn’t mean to… (but he

      killed her)

      Who is Geraldo to be talkin game of what he thinks

      Joran did?

      Ah well, it’s a free country, huh? (US NOT ARUBA)

      Joran is a liar proven 1,000 times over!!!

      The cops are bit-piecing it together with JORAN’S WORDS?

      > No evidence?

      BROTHA PUH-LEEZ, oh my aching head.

      Do not PASS GO.

      Do Not Listen To Bill,

      or Geraldo…

      Please hang up… and try yer call again,

      this is a recording.



      See ya when I C-YA,

      Sponge Bob Skid Pants!


      TODAY IS # 781



    34. Dan in Tx on July 20th, 2007 11:43 am

      katablog- don’t give these yellow journalists too much credit. They’re doing Aruba a favor by broadcasting this. Why? Look at Criminal Psychology 101. Criminals usually blame the victims- and by insinuating without any proof that Natalee died this way, that is exactly what this report has done! They do this to shift blame and as a distraction, hoping people won’t care about their victim if they believe they were some sort of horrible person.

      As someone said above, there’s no reason an achievement-minded person like Natalee would suddenly do something like this. It is all the same Aruba tricks and lies- shift the blame, lie about the victim’s integrity, protect the guilty on their island, and hope this all goes away…

      And these two journalistic weasels have done Aruba and the liars like Dumbpig a huge favor by rebroadcasting it over national airwaves. Who is willing to stick up for Natalee and counter this slander???

    35. nurturer on July 20th, 2007 11:49 am

      O’Reilly mentioned that this source for the cocaine theory is a top law enforcement offical that needs to be protected through anonymity.

      The only ARUBAN law enforcement offical that comes to mind who demonstarted any integrity and that MIGHT be considered a reputable source would, in my mind, be Karen Janssen’s assistant who eventually removed herself due to the direction the ‘investigation’ was taking.

      But again, it’s just gossip, and barely a theory.

    36. Claire on July 20th, 2007 12:10 pm

      The best thing I can say about O’Reilly and Rivera is that at least they are keeping Natalee’s name in the news. A not so gentle reminder to Aruba, the Netherlands, the Sloots and Bros. Kalpoe that WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!

    37. Chicago Jim on July 20th, 2007 12:15 pm

      #15 Brenda,

      Very possible. However, I think they buried her (can’t remember exactly where, need a little help here from Pearl:)) first, but then later took her out to sea. This seems to coincide with daddy going to the ATM to get the $$ to pay for the boat,cage etc… And as far as someone wearing down? Not sure, but I HOPE & PRAY this is for real. But with all the lies that the sh*ithole of an island have spun since this tragedy happened, I just don’t know. If this is for real and Tim Miller & TES do find her, I think the perps are banking on the fact that any evidence is gone. i.e. coverup complete. ***cries*** I am interested to find out who this “credible source” is.


    38. Suzy Morris on July 20th, 2007 12:17 pm

      As with everything else associated with this case, anything that Geraldo or Bill or the Aruban police or anyone on this board thinks? It’s all speculation as has been said before. We may never know for sure. Will forensics ever prove that Natalee voluntarily took drugs, was forced to, or was merely drunk out of her mind that day and night? Will forensics ever prove that she was raped and murdered as Beth claims? Who knows. As someone asked earlier, why would a young woman with a 4.0 gpa do drugs voluntarily as speculated. Well, maybe because it was her way of doing what she wanted before heading home and going back to being the girl with the 4.0 gpa, the college scholarship and the plans to go to med school. Maybe in Aruba she found the freedom to do what she wanted, to have a great time with her friends before going home to the responsibilities of her life. She just had the bad luck to meet the wrong person. As for that spec, my money’s on ole GVC. I think her came upon her after Joran.

    39. 10061906 on July 20th, 2007 12:25 pm

      Just reviewing some favorites before deleting and came across this.
      How did he know it was the Marriot and not the HI:
      Apparently he was never questioned on that matter.

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (UPI) — One of two suspects released by Aruba police in the case of a missing Alabama teen claims three other suspects still in custody have been lying.
      The men released were security guards who worked at a hotel near the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway, 18, was staying. She disappeared May 30, and the two guards were arrested June 5, but not charged.

      Tuesday, Antonius John, 30, who was released along with Abraham Jones, 28, told ABC “Holloway had been dropped off at the Marriott, not the Holiday Inn, where she was staying”.

    40. GAP on July 20th, 2007 12:28 pm

      Thanks for the translation.
      What about the theory that she (NH) was air lifted by an ambulance flight to a hospital unconscious and died in transport. Is that theory thrown out because now they say she was dumped out to sea? This is once again going around in circles. Aruba wants to close the case, so they can go back to being a rich island paradise.

    41. Richard on July 20th, 2007 12:28 pm

      Are we to trust the article saying that the investigation will be closed? Is that any more reliable than anything else we’ve heard from Aruba … especially when you consider that the Aruban law enforcement community (if that is not an oxymoron) is not investigating the case.

      It has been taken over by the Dutch, to my understanding, and the Arubans are no more than adjuncts.

      The show of last night, relying on unnamed sources (whom I believe to be Julia Renfro and others of that ilk), just gives more evidence why so many Americans say they no longer believe what they read or see in major media.

    42. dennisintn on July 20th, 2007 12:35 pm

      l906, don’t we have a poster here or at bfn who was a manager at the marriott?

    43. minnesota dad on July 20th, 2007 12:40 pm

      Richard 41….

      I do not believe this case HAS been taken over by the Dutch. It is all a facade.

      As I explained in a prior thread…once Aruba had sufficiently ‘cooked’ the case, they asked the Dutch to come in and REVIEW the case. The Sloot and Kalpoe “searches” were actually visits to understand the properties of the suspects.

      I do not believe the KLPD are doing a REINVESTIGATION, they are REVIEWING the ‘cooked’ case.

      They know its a cover-up, but their job is to review, not reinvestigate. If they would have reinvestigated, we would have seen interrogations of additional witnesses. We have seen none.


    44. mbs on July 20th, 2007 12:43 pm

      I watched the program, I thought BOR said she “injected” a large quantity of cocaine, not “injested.” Did anyone else hear that? Not that it matters, either way it is not believable, not “plausible”, based on what has been said by the 3 suspects. Cocaine does not make you go in and out of conciousness, or sleep, or whatever they tried to portray it as. GHB does. If she had died of a cocaine overdose, she would have had to take quite a bit, and I seriously doubt someone experimenting with drugs for most likely the first time is going to “inject” anything with a needle, or stuff mass quantities of it up her nose, it’s just ridiculous. If she had died of a cocaine overdose, there would have been no need to hide the body, why not just leave it on the beach? Unless they have found the body and have done an autopsy (which is very doubtful) they have no idea how she died. I think it was probably some kind of drug overdoes, but all of the known facts are more consistent with some kind of sedative type drug, like GHB, which was most likely slipped in her drink without her knowledge. What facts do they have that make cocaine more likely than a date rape drug? I don’t believe they have any. And there is just no need to hide the body unless you are trying to hide a lot more than a drug overdose.

      It’s just not “plausible” for 3 guys to go to a bar at closing to pick up a girl, and then load her up with cocaine. (Maybe Geraldo needs to look up the definition of “plausible”). It is much more plausible that they might slip her some GHB. It’s also not plausible for these guys to hide the body if she died of a simple drug overdose. You can’t just throw a body off the beach and have it disappear. It would wash back to shore. They would have had to go find a boat, somehow evade the radar system we’ve been told surrounds the island, recording all boats arriving and departing, and take her far enough out to make sure she didn’t come back. If it was a simple overdose, it’s not plausible they would go to such lengths to hide the body.

      Also, Robin posted on BFN, stating that the source for this report is a member of ALE, so how anyone can say the source is credible, I don’t know. Dave Holloway is supposed to be on Fox News at noon today, it will be interesting to see what he says.

    45. Susan on July 20th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Yep, Bill O”Really”, the “no spin stiff shirt” (with no personality whatsoever) was spinning it last night for damn sure :-( Geraldo Rivera? Isn’t he the “big mustache dunce” that found nothing at all in Al Capone’s(?) vault? I wonder if he ever trips over it…LOL!

      Nothing that Fox News reports nowadays on Natalee is ever from a “credible source”, unless it’s comes out of Dave’s mouth…



    46. 10061906 on July 20th, 2007 1:11 pm

      38; suzy morris: My feelings exactly;
      Somewhere Somehow GVC and MDumbpig are in the picture along with make up director G wever. Whether Joran took Natalee and met them somewhere or somewhere they took Natalee from Joran; but they have been under the radar too long because of their parents’ influence in the case.
      My longing question is why did the father fire his son Geoff and also MD simply because the police could not work with them.

    47. Richard on July 20th, 2007 1:16 pm

      MD, I can’t say. The fact that we haven’t seen or heard of anyone being brought in for questioning doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t happening.

    48. Mary L. on July 20th, 2007 1:17 pm

      I hope that publicizing this ridiculous story is just quid pro quo for Natalee’s body being returned to the family…

    49. Richard on July 20th, 2007 1:20 pm

      On this whole O’Reilly show … we have to remember, too, that the media sneer at this sort of coverage. In their eyes, it’s condescending to the “great unwashed,” as it were.

      We’ve seen the self-anointed arbitrers of what people should be concerned about telling us about the “white girl syndrome”; that concern for missing people (unless it’s a politically correct case) is just melodrama, etc.

      What we SHOULD be interested in is their particular causes, generally political. So they tell us.

      In other words, what I’m trying to get at is …

      I wouldn’t be at all surprised if, when the big pooh-bahs sit around in a meeting discussing what will be on next, someone yawned and said, “Hey, why don’t we do another Natalee Holloway show? Haven’t run anything about that for a long time.”

      To these people, this sort of thing is only news fodder.

      And if it can get ratings, so much the better.

      Hope I’m not sounding too cynical.

    50. Richard on July 20th, 2007 1:28 pm

      I just took a look on the Fox site, which looks sensationalist beyond belief, and there was a brief article about this O’Reilly thing, calling it “a theory which could not be confirmed.”

      So my guess is they’re already starting to downpedal it.

    51. mayan_moons on July 20th, 2007 1:39 pm

      Just saw Dave talking again on Fox saying pretty much what we are saying about that BOR segment…..PURE BS!

      All of you are making great points (as usual). especially how after 2 plus years they still can’t get their stories straight & i’m talking about the spinning official’s & spokesperson’s here not the perps. A couple of weeks ago they stated in that article that a MED JET took Natalee off the island and today they are conceding via BOR that Natalee IS dead and in the water. Aruba is tripping over itself still after two years trying to decide on their theory. The more they talk the deeper the BS gets.

      Everybody better grab their hip boots coz the closer this deep sea water search gets….prepare for even more crazy $hit to hit the fan!

    52. ben on July 20th, 2007 1:45 pm

      I get it now,thats the story aruba the dutch are going to close this case with.They are going to say we have no evidence but this is how it happened.charges will not be filed,but they belive in there warped minds that stating sloot and kalpos disposed of the body will make everything square.

    53. mayan_moons on July 20th, 2007 1:47 pm

      Hey MD!

      Ever since the Dutch investigator’s paraded those jackhammer’s for everyone to see inside the Sloot house but did not use them i felt they were going along with this SHAM of an investigation. It was all for show.

    54. mediaman on July 20th, 2007 1:50 pm

      Geraldo is not reporting the Kalpoes and Joran were not involved in a crime. He is reporting what a source told him. Since he has a source, which most Monkey’s don’t, perhaps he has something worth considering.
      Geraldo and Bill O have been supporters of finding out what happened to Natalee. In fact, why not give them some credit for keeping the story alive. Other news organizations that used it for ratings have walked away from coverage.

    55. wandering on July 20th, 2007 1:54 pm

      sounds like oreilly and the ad department got together with arubas ad buyers and decided how much their integrity was worth, doubtless we’ll see ads for aruba on foxnews soon just like we see them on cnn and msnbc. sellout aholes like oreilly would sell their own mother for ratings, its bad enough how Natalee was treated on arubut, howeever oreilly prostituting her reputation in death is oh so evil, he needs to retire and turn the show over to maulkin, oreilly is probably getting a free condo stocked with the underaged whores he loves so much.

    56. driving miss daisy on July 20th, 2007 1:55 pm

      Former U. S. Attorney, Peter Johnson(R), was just on tv saying this is a very malicious thing for Arubans to say. I hope that more people saw that and will see Kimberly and Peter Johnson discuss this over the weekend. Without a physician and electronic monitoring present at the time of Natalee’s death, there is no way this statement can be made as truthful and if this statement is made by ALE and they are unable to prove it by those stated facts, then why did someone not render medical treatment, CPR, etc., and where did these so-called people hide Natalee’s body and why, if they were present at the time of her demise and disposal?

      It’s a pig trying to dress itself up in “blame the victim” and nothing else. Tourism will sink even further when John Q Kelly sues the source of this information as whoever made the statement is indicating he/she is guilty of accompliceship; otherwise, they could not have known this. Now, Beth needs to call Gerald and Bill into the courtroom to reveal their source and let John Q Kelly sue the cactus off Aruba.

    57. disgustedmom on July 20th, 2007 1:55 pm

      #43 minnesotadad….I agree. The Dutch reviewed the cooked case to tie up loose ends. That is all!

      Who is naive enough to believe the Dutch aren’t behind ALE 100%? Aruba’s baby is Holland’s baby.

      We have One Missing Tourist. And One Enormous attempt to not find out what became of her.

      We have One Missing Tourist. And we have One Neverending list of lies and retracted or lost statements and/or media reports.

      What we have then is a REASON why this One Missing Tourist being found in not in the best interest of Aruba/Tourism/the casinos/Holland.

      What could that be? Just One Missing Tourist, even one being murdered, would not ruin tourism on Aruba. Just One Missing Tourist, even one being drugged and raped, would not ruin tourism on Aruba. What would ruin it then? What would be worth hiding?

      How about a systematic organized luring of tourists to parties where said tourists are drugged for the entertainment of important island leaders and/or important visitors to the island?

      It was Soul Beach week! Probably the best week all year for having a great selection of young female tourists. The after-hours SB parties start at 11PM and end at 3AM. Joran has his time covered starting at 11PM via PVDS’s alibi for him. Joran is then covered again just before 3AM via computer. The mysterious call that allegedly came from Natalee was about 3AM. WAS SHE LEFT AT ONE OF THESE PARTIES!

      Nadira goes to check and see if Deepak’s car is home @ 3AM. Why? Did she hear it start up? Did Deepak go back for Natalee after Joran left her there? Did someone at this party contact Joran to make sure she got out of there with their game undiscovered after 3AM?

      What would ruin tourism on Aruba? How about finding out the Soul Beach Festival was being used to attract predators to the island, females tourists being lured by island big shots to ‘make the trip worth their while’?

      The Soul Beach Festival is NOT being held on Aruba this year! As far as I am aware, this is the first time it has been somewhere else. Why? Was it too hot in Aruba after what happened to Natalee? Was it not safe for predators from all over the world anymore? Was 2006 not a good year for attendance at the Festival in Aruba?

      Joran made an interesting remark. He said, Natalee danced beautifully! Now, this is Joran we’re talking about, so dancing beautifully does not mean like a Dorian. It means bumping and grinding and all that sexually perverted stuff….just like XTC would make a person do and just like is often ‘given’ to females at parties so they WILL dance that way for the entertainment of males who PAY to make sure there are females there for them. I think this was Joran’s best slip-up yet as to where he took Natalee. And such a party with important guests in attendance thanks to the SBF would most certainly need to be avoided talking about.

      Look….we have Madams by the dozens hosting females for hire for high ranking political figures in our own country, kept on the down-low. It happens all over the place, I assure you. Visiting political figures also partake. It is not unreasonable to believe Aruba would have such a thing to make money from important visiting figures during SB week.

      It was reported there was a Prince from Saudi Arabia on the island that week. It was reported he flew out the night Natalee went missing. A Saudi Prince would get in deep sh*t with his religion if he were to be discovered partaking of such a thing I’m talking about. And would it be worth an international coverup? At this time while we are at war in the Middle East? I’d say so.

      I’m not accusing anyone, certainly not the Prince if he was there as reported. It’s just an example. It was also reported that Miss Thailand and important persons from Thailand were on the island that week and that they flew out that night too. And something was said about Miss Thailand being stripped of her crown after that…maybe you researchers on here can find out the facts on that one if you’re interested.

      I’m just saying that week was a big draw for people from all over the world. Big draw in terms of parties and lots of female pickings that predators pay big bucks for. Why would Natalee be caught up in something like this?

      Blonde, with a classic beauty that foreigners (non-Americans, North or South Americans) find intriguing.

      Natalee may have been slipped some XTC at one of these parties that can’t be mentioned due to the customers of the night. She may have danced and become dehydrated (which is the most common death that results for having taken XTC…you have to balance your activity with water) after which delerium set in and she began to ‘act crazy’ after which she would go into a coma, perhaps have seizures and then eventually die if not taken to a hospital.

    58. Meee on July 20th, 2007 1:58 pm

      I’m not happy with the way Fox present the story. But it does keep the case in the spotlight. Is Beth gonna be on any talk show to discuss this?

    59. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 2:05 pm

      15 – 37, Brenda and Chicago Jim…

      I do believe, Brenda that indeed these devils did make attempts at slick insertions of TWISTED fragments of truths, in order to appear as though their perversions being stated were “credible”.

      Remember: there was a very good honest man, tracking their every word, with tapes and all sorts of interesting gadgets, which enabled him to “read” the insidious LIE-FACTOR that was present in their speech. He passed away, and he too became a victim of the hideous obstructions and slanderizations of all TRUTHS that lead to NATALEE amidst the propulsion of ALL PERVERTED LIES that LEAD TO SLOOT.

      I do believe, Brenda that some insertions of the “fringes” of NATALEE’S SUFFERING was implanted into the LIES told, in order to give the appearance of “credibility”.
      Thus, Joran’s twisted descriptions of WHAT this precious child looked like WHEN HE LEFT HER.

      Or…Take for example, Paulus van der Sloots very first statement where he DESCRIBES HOW he was awakened upon Beth’s arrival to his house.

      Take a good hard look at the details he provides. It’s very interesting, to say the least, particularly when coupled with the fact that in a different statement, he CHANGES the time he was awakened.


      Now, truth be told, the DOG did probably bark that night.
      He was NEVER ASLEEP THAT NIGHT, before Beth’s arrival.





      I do believe there are pieces to her suffering and torment, that I’m certain good, honorable people driven by a search for HER TRUTH, are linking together…and in my heart, I truly do believe that they are going to figure out where Natalee was taken to and what was done to her…amidst ALL the despicable obstructions to her truth that were created by the monsters whose ONLY contribution besides all their contemptable, criminal acts, was to LIE, LIE, LIE. YES, 1906…THE MARRIOT, amidst MANY OTHER “DROP OFF POINTS”…which to this day, CONTINUES to stand out there, with all the OTHER INCONSISTENCIES, for which NO ANSWERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN.

      Dompig pointed our eyes towards the LAND…concerning his “beliefs” and “theories” regarding WHERE Natalee was left DESECRATED…(you will note that Dompig’s theories only came out AFTER he admitted they were “guilty as hell”, and that one of the suspects had confessed to “KILLING NATALEE”, and “BURYING HER”, and that this same suspect was “LEADING POLIS TO THE LOCATION OF HER BODY”. But, then – it was time for the “theories and beliefs” to come out…and, the “These boys are not criminals” spin, was born amidst DOMPIG slandering Natalee and insinuating SHE TOOK DRUGS and o’d on a combination of DRUGS and ALCOHOL ( meanwhile, her friends all stated, she looked just fine, UNTIL…she was seen being LED AWAY BY JORAN..where, her EYES DID NOT LOOK RIGHT.) It would be a compelling study to GO BACK and EXAMINE, just exactly WHAT transpired right BEFORE Dompig’s sickening presentation of slick forked tongue.

      Notice how in his new spin, Dompig leads us to SEVERAL points of DESECRATION on land, that this precious baby suffered and that her poor family was subjected to watching unfold before them!

      Dompig never mentions why he repeatedly directed anyone and everyone with credibility from the USA ( FBI DIVERS, TIM MILLER) AWAY from the water.

      But you will note, that he failed I believe several times, to secure the very connections needed in order for Tim Miller, or even for FBI divers to PARTICIPATE in the big FAKE ‘search’ that was being conducted, and LED by the ALE.


      It wasn’t mearly that FBI agents were DENIED targets IN THE WATER, as FBI spokesperson ( JO) pointed out, it was ALSO that they were being EXCLUDED from LAND SEARCHES THAT TARGETED ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THE DITCH FACTORY, and THE CAR used to TAKE NATALEE AWAY IN.

      So, for example – take a long hard look in the early days at WHERE the FBI agents were DIRECTED TO SEARCH!!!!

      Why, of course! THE ALLEGRO HOTEL!


      Why, JOHN AND JONES!!! I will bet you ANYTHING that these devils intended to PLANT EVIDENCE – or TRIED TO PLANT IT, but COULDN”T because our STELLAR “OBSERVERS” WERE ONTO THEIR EVERY, DISPICABLE MOVE!!!! So…they had to move to plan B, …..and WHERE was that?

      Why – of course! San Nicholas, where John and Jones’ family members were INTERVIEWED by the media.

      And you will note: ARUBA never INITIATED ANY SEARCH FOR NATALEE!

      Check the records of NATLAEE’S TRUTH!

      It was ONLY AFTER – BETH announced that DAVE would be conducting his own search – that ….Poof!
      SUDDENLY: there was this agitated movement made by AHATA giving birth to its “Strategic …whatever”, and Mr. Frosted Flakes and his cohorts, taking up the notion to “SEARCH” and invite the WHOLE ISLAND TO THE “SEARCH” !!!

      This was done to circumvent DAVE’S initiatives, in order to INSURE that NOTHING could be found, no witnesses could be found, that no evidence would be uncovered! By taking command of the “search” – the spinners could CONTROL not only WHAT was searched and WHERE, but also WHO would search, WHAT – if anything that would be collected, WHERE anything collected would be placed and WHOSE HANDS it would be placed into, amidst many other things! ( Ask yourself this: do you think the addition of “hundreds” of people was purposeful in order to CONTAMINATE any evidence that might be found?)…while FBI agents were being sent off to the “Allegro hotel” !!!!!

      So the big island wide “search” came about, as LED BY AHATA initiatives formed through Mr. Pesquale and Trappenburg,…but only AFTER Beth announced ( EARLY ON) that DAVE would be conducting his own search!!!
      Only THEN did ARUBA come up with the big “island wide” search. Check the records if you don’t believe me!
      It’s right there!!!!

      The goal was that AHATA would be IN CONTROL of “the message”.

      Oh…and WHO’S NAME gets offered under the “guise” of being “supportive” as a CONTACT POINT on ALL THOSE POSTERS?
      (another attempt to CONTROL INFORMATION)….why, JULIA’s name gets placed on those posters, Dompig’s buddy.

      YOU WILL NOTE: THE GIRL WHO PHONED IN THE “TIP” TO THE FBI, …her information only survived I imagine, because JULIA was not receiving that PHONE CALL!

      Meanwhile….WHO does NOT get invited to the big “island” search, specifically – to THE HOUSE, where “we decided to go to the house” ( they ALL WENT TO – as stated on May 31, by Satish), and which the ALE knew about amidst the “We dropped her off right in front of the hotel lobby entrance” LIE, which the ALE ALLOWED LIARS to CHANGE AT WILL, ON A DAILY BASIS, AS BETH CONTINUED TO UNCOVER MORE “INCONSISTENCIES” IN THEIR STATEMENTS, WHICH – KAREN JANSSEN CONVENIENTLY – IGNORED…in HER DUTY to USE the BASIS of those INCONSISTENCIES – in a RULES BASED LAW ENFORCEMENT APPROACH, AS “CAUSE FOR SUSPICION” TO ARREST THESE THREE MEN +PAULUS, WHO WERE ALL PROVEN TO BE LYING CONCERNING THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE AND WHERE SHE WAS TAKEN.


      Why did Karen Janssen not take ACTION for IMMEDIATE CAUSE FOR SUSPICION TO ARREST: J2K+P …based on their IMMEDIATE LIE-STATEMENTS?

      Karen did not fulfill her duties and responsibilities, because the GOAL was NOT to find Natlaee.
      So, instead, Karin proceeded in “finding” INCONSISTENCIES in the statements made by the TWO INNOCENT BLACK MEN who were being FRAMED for CRIMES THEY DID NOT COMMIT, AND WHICH SHE KNEW THEY DID NOT COMMIT.

      She HAD to know that J2K’s statements were inconsistent. The PRESS was reporting that HOTEL EMPLOYEES had indicated two things:

      1. Natalee was never SEEN anywhere NEAR that hotel lobby, as PIN-POINTED BY THE THREE LIARS.
      So…Ale corruption experts, allowed the thugs to yet change their insidious lie-statements yet again, and again, and again – until ALL THOSE LIE-DETAILS ARE GONE, and just the BIG FAT LIE REMAINS: WE DROPPED HER OFF AT THE HOTEL.
      Except: hotel employees stated repeatedly that “WE NEVER SAW ANY SIGN OF HER.” ( security guard, and hotel night desk employee)

      2. The hotel surveillance tapes ( PLURAL) confirmed that NO DROP OFF EVER TOOK PLACE, NO SUCH GUARD WAS EVER RECORDED INSIDE THEIR LOBBY (as these thugs DID indicate in one of their MANY human rights violations statements indicates, and in addition to all this, there is absolutely NO SIGN OF NATALEE IN THAT LOBBY ON ANY OF THE TAPES!

      3. Had she bothered to check those CASINO TAPES, clearly Janssen would have to have known that Paulus was also a HUGE LIAR, based on his statements made on 5/31 to a grief-stricken mother in search of her beloved daughter.

      What happens next?

      The guards get described to the media as “UNCOOPERATIVE” …and having “conflicting statements”!!!!

      May this child’s suffering be replayed over and over again in the minds of K. Janssen and all the other unconscienable people who AIDED this depravity of obstructions to a CHILD’S TRUTH!

      So – while John and Jones were being framed, the FBI divers and land-agents were all being denied any access to ANYTYIHNG that would and COULD lead to FINDING NATLAEE and uncovering the horrific suffering she was subjected to because – afterall, THAT would be a VERY INCONVENIENT TRUTH FOR ARUBA TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH, wouldn’t it?.. – while all this depravity was going on, LIES were being spun to the media, care of: “the lie spinners” who were claiming to be concerned with “reporting the truth” !!!!

      So, we start to hear all sorts of slanderous attempts to discredit THIS VICTIMIZED CHILD, and I can’t even bring myself to type them in here, but you all know WHAT they are and what these MONSTERS said about this child, and about her beautiful mother, friends and family.


      Tim Miller and FBI agents, and anyone else trying to investigate NATALEE”S TRUTH were repeatedly side-lined and sent onto all sorts of DISTRACTIONS, just like the twisters do when they come in here, trying to distract all of us, and just like JANSSEN did when she suggested first that Paulus, had made his “no corpse, no case” statement in the first day – only to then state, it was made “in the days after the disappearance of Natalee” !!!!

      Straaten got up in front of the media to proclaim that: “She could have come thru another way”…when HE ALREADY KNEW THAT NOT ONLY WAS THAT NOT TRUE, BUT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE:

      1. Hotel employees state: we never saw ANY sign of her in the lobby ( as PIN-POINTED by Joran and Deepak – at 3 AM in the morning on 5/31 – which is WHY no REPORTS of their statements were ever filed by ALE…God-forbid the RECORDS reveal NATALEE’S TRUTH!)

      2. Hotel surveillance tapes proved: NO DROP OFF EVER HAPPENED, NO “SCENE” AS DESCRIBED BY THESE THUGS WAS EVER “RECORDED”. … (which is why their attorneys then had them literally SHIFT the “drop off location” to NEW POINTS like ( ‘across from the lobby, and not in front of the lobby and “north” of the pillar, and BEHIND the lobby, and eventually, after Natalee’s courageous family proved ALL of these contemptable stories were LIES – only THEN, after Mickey John REVEALED PAULUS’ INVOLVEMENT IN ALL THESE HORRIFIC LIES ( which begin to be told on 5/31 at 3 AM – thus pin-pointing WHEN those lies would HAVE to HAVE BEEN created), ….only then do we suddenly then hear the: “I left her on the beach” LIE. (Which by the way, still conflicts with one of DEEPAK’S other versions of WHERE Natalee got “left”.

      3. CASINO TAPES PROVE – in light of Paulus’ “no corpse, no case” statement made IN THE FIRST DAY ( and before Natalee is even reported missing) and his big HOLIDAY INN LIE MEETING HELD AT HIS HOUSE ( also before Natalee is even reported missing) – that therefore, again, there is VERY JUST CAUSE for SUSPICION surroudning STATEMENTS made by Paulus, and EVIDENCE that proves some problematic INCONSISTENCIES, amidst OTHER EVIDENCE THAT CONFIRMS PROOF OF NOT ONLY HIS LIES, BUT HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE CRIMES THAT JANSSEN BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN COMMITTED UPON NATALEE!

      And amidst ALL those LIE-SPEECHES about how “closely” the ALE was “inviting” the FBI to “work with us”, the REAL TRUTH is that the FBI was DENIED ACCESS, THERE WAS NO TRANSPARENCY WHATSOEVER, there was NO DISCLOSURE going on to involve FBI EXPERTISE in order to AIDE and HELP in finding Natlaee ( because ALE GOALS and FBI GOALS were completely OPPOSITE to what those two groups intended to accomplish – with ALE being intent on accomplishing A COVERUP, and FBI being intent on FINDING NATALEE AND UNCOVERING HER TRUTHS!)…so that, the ENTIRE ISLAND was invited to “search” – …while FBI agents were sent to “THE ALLEGRO” !!!! ( while at least six days had now past, since the infamous SATISH STATEMENT OF: “WE WERE BORED, AND DECIDED TO ALL GO TO THE HOUSE”..which, K. Janssen took CLEAR ACTIONS TO IGNORE AND FAILED TO PURSUE, ALONG WITH HER PAL, VAN DER STRAATEN.)

      Now, we all know WHY K. Janssen could NOT search THE HOUSE and THE CAR.

      INSTEAD: the FBI were excluded from participation, there was NO transparency, rules based behavoirs were NEVER followed, results based on management was completely IGNORED – (unless you include the RESULTS TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE AND COMMIT CRIMES OF A COVER UP), and TO THIS DAY – THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANY OF THIS BARBARIC, HIDEOUS CONDUCT!

      They (FBI) were not permitted to participate because THEIR GOALS WERE TO ACTUALLY FIND NATALEE AND SEEK HER TRUTH.
      Clearly THAT conflicted with what the ALE GOALS WERE AND CONTINUE TO BE!


      How convenient that NOW – 2 years later, a WATER search is feasible. That is the level of DEPRAVITY that our FBI agents have had to deal with!

      I do believe there are huge blinking red lights pointing to exactly where those courageous agents should look in piecing together this travesty of justice and contemptable display of human rights violations inflicted upon a child.

      And let’s not forget this: all the human rights violations inflicted upon Beth and upon Dave, and this doesn’t even count in whether ANYONE in the ALE has even bothered to investigate the DEATH THREATS inflicted upon BETH if she DARES to return to Aruba to FIND HER DAUGHTER!

      God bless those FBI agents and all investigators, lawyers, media, journalists, who are working this child’s case.

      May the light of Natalee’s truth lead ALL of them to give rise to her family’s hope that Natalee will be honored THROUGH JUSTICE and the RELEASE OF HER TRUTHS TO THE WORLD!

      May Natalee one day soon… finally be carried home to her family, her country, and to a place well deserving of her dignified, beautiful short life on this earth.

    60. AZLady on July 20th, 2007 2:12 pm

      disgustedmom, have you been reading those far-fetched romance novels again? You seem to be throwing out any distracting detail you can dredge up to take the focus off what really happened that night in Aruba. Soul Beach? Arabian Princes? provocative dancing? Miss Thailand? classic blonde beauty kidnapped and drugged? We have the story line for a real block-buster romance here, folks. Who will we cast in the role of the dashing and handsome hero who swashbuckles his way to save the blonde beauty before the evil destroys her? GET REAL–this is not a fiction novel with a happy ending. It’s real life. Natalee was drugged, raped, killed, and dumped at sea. Not to be romanticized.

    61. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 2:14 pm

      56 Miss Daisy and MD – you have me leaping from the chair!

      This is the most barbaric outrageous violation of a person’s human rights.


      - our sec. of state was LIED to.
      - our FBI was lied to
      - Beth, Dave and their family members were all LIED to
      - willful acts of contemptable cover ups and obstructions to justice were purposefullly and maliciously engaged in…AMDIST – ARUBA ATTENDING AN OAS MEETING, HERE, IN THE USA – WHILE – LITTLE NATALEE IS BEING DESECRATED AND VIOLATED IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY, AND, WHILE OUR STATESMEN ARE BEING LIED TO!

      There are certain standards of EXPECTATIONS that are clearly mandated and expected between nations that proclaim themsleves as “friendly” to one another.

      Their acts of conduct point to egregious violations of human rights that Natalee, BETH and DAVE were ALL ENTITLED TO, as well as their family members.

      These rights are CLEARLY described in agreements made between nations subscribing to CIVILIZED CONDUCT IN SOCIETY!




      SM: This is all OLD stuff from the CBS website (klaasend)

    62. I Love America on July 20th, 2007 2:36 pm

      There’s a big article on about “New clues in the Natalee Holloway case”.

      SM: Not a new article – this is from 2006 (klaasend)

    63. Richard on July 20th, 2007 2:37 pm

      AZ Lady (#60) … I don’t know how much research you have done into human trafficking, but I’ve done extensive work on it. DisgustedMom isn’t trying to “romanticize” anything, in my view … she’s trying to keep in our minds what I, for one, think is a very real possibility.

      I could well be wrong. But it hasn’t been proven so yet.

      Remember Amy Bradley.

      Meanwhile, it’s probably not relevant to this thread, but anyway … here’s the letter I just wrote to the Florida governor about the travesty in Palm Beach.

      July 20, 2007

      The Hon. Gov. Charlie Crist
      Office of the Governor
      PC-05 The Capitol
      Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001

      Dear Gov. Crist:

      I am writing in regard to a recent moral atrocity committed by the Palm Beach County Convention and Visitors Bureau. You might think that a Vermonter should not comment on matters in Florida, but as a concerned American I feel a moral obligation to speak out.

      The bureau has voted unanimously to offer its chief executive position to Jorge Pesquera, president of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association. Aruba is, as you are aware, where Natalee Holloway vanished in May 2005. Her disappearance remains unresolved.

      Nobody asserts that Mr. Pesquera was involved with Natalee’s disappearance. That, however, is not the issue at hand. It is clear that elements of the Aruban government are and were engaged in a cover-up to protect certain persons of that country. Yet a July 19 story in the Palm Beach Post says bureau officials “were impressed with how he handled himself” during the Natalee Holloway “crisis.” It also says Pesquera was instrumental in establishing a group “which worked behind the scenes to minimize the impact of the Holloway story and effectively stopped calls for boycott by some U.S. elected officials.”

      So the bureau regards the smoothing over of an American’s disappearance abroad as a qualification for employment? Shall such a person represent a Florida county to the world? The notion of such a job offer is an offense to any notion of moral decency, to the idea of ethics in the tourist business and to the Holloway Twitty family in particular.

      I urge you, the top official of your state, to condemn this insult to the American people and make clear that Mr. Pesquera is not welcome while Aruba continues to deny answers in Natalee’s case. Aruba has presented us with lies, evasions, insults and contradictions from the day Natalee vanished; I cannot imagine that Florida is unaware of the moral stench that has engulfed that country, or wishes to transplant it to these shores.



      Cc: Ms. Lois Frankel, mayor, West Palm Beach

    64. I Love America on July 20th, 2007 2:39 pm

      Definitely not saying any of it is true, just letting everyone know it’s there.


      SM: Not a new article – this is from 2006 (klaasend)

    65. Richard on July 20th, 2007 2:42 pm

      I remember that when the Dutch professors of law were criticizing the “investigation,” one of them was pointing out that it was not only irresponsible but in violation of basic tenets of police work for Dompig to be throwing out ideas without any evidence (this was when he supposedly got that weepy call from someone wanting to confess that Natalee was buried on the dunes).

      Equally so for O’Reilly and crew, in my view. It was done in hopes of spicing up their ratings, I imagine.

    66. I Love America on July 20th, 2007 2:46 pm

      More spinning BS…makes me want to puke!

      (CBS) Ever since American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on the island of Aruba during a high school post-graduation trip last year, police say they have done everything in their power to crack the case. But Natalee’s mom, Beth Holloway Twitty, disagrees – and accuses Aruban authorities of being slow in their investigation.

      Authorities now say they feel confident this case will be solved soon. Correspondent Troy Roberts gets an exclusive, inside look at the investigation and at new clues police are considering.


      “They say a picture speaks a thousand words? This one speaks 2,000 words to me,” says Gerold Dompig, Aruba’s lead investigator in the Natalee Holloway case, as he looks at what may be the last picture taken of the teen.

      The photo, shown publicly for the first time by 48 Hours, was discovered by the FBI in the camera of one of Natalee’s classmates. For Dompig, the picture is a constant reminder of his toughest case.

      Deputy Chief Dompig has been under a strict gag order since last year, but Aruban authorities agreed to let him speak exclusively to 48 Hours about the latest details of his investigation.

      Asked how he would characterize the current state of the investigation, Dompig says, “I would say ‘critical last phase.’”

      “Do you believe this case will be solved?” Roberts asked.

      “Yes, I do,” Dompig replied.

      The story of what happened to Natalee Holloway has been marked mostly by speculation and rumor but very few facts. But , for the first time, police allowed 48 Hours inside the police investigation in Aruba. Among the things 48 Hours has learned is what authorities believe really happened to the Alabama teenager the night she disappeared, as well as clues that could close the case once and for all.

      “We have been informed by a manager of a nightclub that he received a call. He wanted to talk about the fact that he knew more about the whereabouts of Natalee,” says Dompig, who acknowledges that this is the first valuable lead he’s gotten in a while. “Yes, concerning a specific burial location, yes,” he says.

      Holloway disappeared last May, and for nearly a year, police have received dozens of leads, all leading nowhere. But Dompig is convinced that the person who made the call may be the key witness they’ve been waiting for.

      “The information that this person gave was too specific to just be a story that was just made up by someone,” explains Dompig.

      Now, based on this new information, investigators will begin searching again for Natalee’s body on the northern tip of the island.

      “Somewhere on the sand dunes that go all the way up behind the lighthouse … where we basically have to search,” explains Dompig as he shows Roberts the general search area. “It’s worse than looking for a needle in a haystack.”

      Aruba, just a stone’s throw from the coast of Venezuela, plays host to more than a million visitors every year, most from the United States. In recent years, a younger and younger crowd has landed on its shores.

      The senior trip to Aruba was a well-deserved vacation for Natalee. Days earlier, this honor student graduated from Mountain Brook High School, just outside Birmingham, Ala.

      Three of her best friends, Liz Cain, Mallie Tucker and Claire Fierman, recall their last days with Natalee.

      “It was so much fun. We would wake up, go like, brush your teeth, go straight to the beach. We would literally stay in the water all day long because it was so perfect,” says Fierman. “We just hung out with our friends on this beautiful island. It was a really fun trip.”

      On their last night, Cain says they went to Carlos’n Charlie’s, a local nightspot.

      The legal drinking age on Aruba is only 18, and even that is not strictly enforced, making the island a preferred vacation spot for American teenagers. No one disputes that Natalee and many of her classmates drank alcohol during their senior trip. But the authorities tell 48 Hours they have evidence that Natalee’s drinking got seriously out of control and may even have contributed to her death.

      “She was, I think not differently from other students. She was having a great time and she was using … doing that,” says Dompig. “Using way too much alcohol in combinations which could basically be lethal.”

      Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has been working tirelessly since last May, trying to unravel the mystery of her daughter’s disappearance.

      “You know she was 18 years old. She was on her senior trip. They were in this establishment of legal age,” she says. “I’m certain they were drinking. We never even tried to say that they weren’t, you know. But I have to ask myself, you know, ‘Should that cost her life?’ No. It shouldn’t.”

      Police interviews with hotel staff, local bartenders, and her friends reveal that Natalee had spent much of the day with a drink in her hand.

      “Do you know if Natalee could handle her alcohol?” Roberts asked.

      “Yes,” said Cain. “She was never somebody to be out of control if she had been drinking at all.”

      “When you hear stories, like people started drinking in mid-afternoon and drank through the night. Does that sound accurate?” Roberts asked.

      “Yes,” Claire Fierman said.

      Fierman and Cain agreed that the drinking was kind of excessive.

      48 Hours has learned that the Aruban investigation turned up another disturbing detail.

      Asked if he has been able to confirm whether Natalee purchased or consumed illegal narcotics during her stay in Aruba, Dompig says, “We have statements claiming that she, that she had drugs.”

      What kind of drugs?

      “I cannot say,” Dompig replied.

      Dompig notes that police don’t have any proof that Natalee used drugs but “that they saw her with drugs in her possession.”

      Had Natalee’s friends heard stories of people taking drugs?

      “No. The only thing I heard about drugs is there were like people at the hotel that weren’t with us that would like offer stuff to people. I was never offered drugs and I never even saw ‘em,” said Fierman.

      However, police do believe that Natalee’s judgment was impaired that night. Her friends were surprised that she was last seen willingly getting into a car with three strangers, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and his brother, 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe.

      Fierman says it would have been out of character for Natalee to voluntarily get into a car with three boys. “It frustrates me so much because I feel as much as, like, we say that, no one believes us ’cause you hear all that stuff,” she says. “But, from the bottom of my heart, that is extremely out of character and not something that Natalee Holloway would ever do.”

      Holloway’s mother agrees. “No way would she have left her friends and placed herself knowingly what she was getting into. They just took her when she just … There’s no way.”

      “Do you think she may have been vulnerable because she had been drinking too much?” Roberts asked.

      “Very much so,” Cain replied.

      Since Natalee disappeared almost 10 months ago, her mother has used any opportunity to keep the story alive to pressure the government of Aruba to solve this case.

      “There are just no words to explain the frustration level that we have had to experience in dealing with officials from the island of Aruba,” she says.

      Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

      Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

      “The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty.

      According to Deputy Chief Dompig, the boycott is not the only thing that has cost Aruba dearly. He says authorities have about $3 million, on this investigation. “Which is about 40 percent of our operational budget,” he explains.

      As far as Beth Twitty is concerned, there has always been a simple solution to solving this case: Just ask the people last seen with Natalee – Joran van der Sloot and Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

      “If they had just gotten the suspects within the first 48 hours like they were supposed to have done, then they wouldn’t have spent anything,” she says.

      “They were focused already from the first day, from the get-go, on these three boys. So, it’s hard for them to understand that when we investigate, we have to go systematically. We have to go back to basics. And we have to do it by the book,” says Dompig. “We are within the Dutch kingdom. We have a judicial system. We have a court of law. And we have rules. So we had to follow the rules of the game.”

      The police apparently did just that. Contrary to the storm of criticism from the American media, the Aruban police say they quickly put van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers under surveillance.

      Dompig says surveillance of the three boys began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing and included observation, telephone wire taps, and even monitoring of their e-mail.

      “Bringing in the prime suspect is basically the last thing we do,” Dompig explains. “When we bring you in, we probably already know the story because we have observed. We have talked to all your friends. We have checked your phone line. We have done everything that is technically possible to know about your whereabouts.”

      But police say extreme pressure from the Holloway family forced them to stop their surveillance and make arrests. Just 10 days after Natalee disappeared, police took van der Sloot, the Kalpoe brothers, and later, even van der Sloot’s father into custody.
      Asked if pressure from the family compromised the investigation, Dompig says, “I think so. It at least distracted the investigators’ efforts.”

      Twitty says she was just trying to get the police to find her daughter.

      “We wanted justice and we wanted the truth. And I think that that was shocking to the officials in Aruba that we were so persistent in our quest for that,” she says.

      Paulus van der Sloot was quickly released on judge’s orders, but the young men remained in custody.

      Twitty says she is confident the three boys know what happened to Natalee.

      But less than a month after their arrests, a court released Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. As police feared, simply questioning the brothers did not turn up enough evidence to charge them with a crime. To this day, they deny any involvement with Natalee’s disappearance.

      Despite the setbacks, the cops were able to play hardball with their prime suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, thought to be the last person who saw Natalee.

      As Aruban law allows, authorities detained him for months without charging him with any crime.

      Aruban lawyer Arlene Shipper – who often speaks on behalf of the Aruban government – was sure Joran would crack. “It’s mind-boggling to us that a 17-year-old, if he would have done it could not have been broken. It’s incredible.”

      But as Dompig explained, Joran’s age actually made things harder for the interrogators.

      Dompig acknowledges Joran was afforded some special legal protections because he was 17 years old at the time of his arrest. Dompig says that did complicate matters. “Yes, that complicated matters seriously because he had more visiting rights with his father – his father being a judge in training was a problem for us because he could give his son certain advice.”

      Joran’s father discussed the family’s ordeal with CBS’ The Early Show.

      “We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we spoke all this to Joran to tell the truth,” Paulus van der Sloot said.

      Police say they could not listen in on the conversations between Paulus and his son, citing that they were “privileged conversations.”

      Dompig says he believes Paulus van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance.

      But in spite of those parental visits, 48 Hours has learned that the interrogations were intense and tough. Special agents from the FBI were brought in, along with investigators from Holland to conduction the interrogations.

      Dompig says while Joran van der Sloot wasn’t subjected to questioning in the middle of the night, there were late sessions.

      “So he was deprived of sleep but it wasn’t going on for days?” Roberts asked.

      “No,” Dompig replied.

      Dompig says it almost worked. “There were several moments where Joran almost broke. Several moments,” he says.

      Dompig says Joran’s basic story changed three times. “But the little facts changed over 25 times. So it was never the same.”

      One critical element of the interrogation remains in dispute: did Joran admit to having sex with Natalee?

      Twitty claims that Joran was clear with the police about one thing – that he had sex with her daughter the night she disappeared.

      “I had access to several statements, and in one of Joran’s statements he’s describing Natalie as she’s falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up repeatedly. And, as she’s doing this, he is explaining, he’s very sexually explicit, graphically detailing what he is doing to Natalie. OK?” Twitty said.

      Twitty and her attorney would not share those documents with 48 Hours. In spite of her claim, Dompig says there is no proof of sexual assault.

      Asked if Joran van der Sloot ever confessed to being sexually intimate with Natalee, Dompig says he never did.

      “Believe me, we were looking for anything to throw him, to keep him in jail,” says Dompig. “The only thing he admitted to was that he was fondling [her] sexually, like kissing, touching her. And there was no sexual in terms of penetration or whatever, really having sex with her.”

      After nearly two dozen lengthy interrogations, the police still had no confession and had found no body. So on Sep. 3, 2005, Joran van der Sloot was released to his parents.

      “This young man, a 17-year-old-boy was able to withstand 90 days in prison, and undergo specialized interrogation, and they weren’t able to get a confession from him,” says attorney Arlene Shipper.

      “What does that say ?” Roberts asks.

      “It can mean two things – either he’s innocent, he really doesn’t know what happened, or he’s a genius,” she replied.

      Joran van der Sloot has denied any wrongdoing, but he has done nothing to dispel Dompig’s suspicions.

      Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot’s psychological profile, he says, “They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything.”

      Twitty says there’s a reason she thinks van der Sloot is lying – he is covering something up. “He’s covering something up so horrible that he can’t tell the truth,” she says.

      But if Joran can’t or won’t tell the whole story of what happened that night, police think they may soon find someone else who will.

      “New people are coming in the picture,” says Dompig. “It is possible that there was help. Or it is possible that there was a second group involved other than these three boys.”

      With no major break in the Holloway case in the past six months, Aruban authorities are re-doubling their efforts to find Natalee’s body.

      One of the most persistent theories clouding the case is the notion that her body was dumped out at sea.

      But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

      Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore – a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

      Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

      Authorities now believe that the teenager’s body may be buried somewhere among some dunes, but not because it washed ashore. The Aruban authorities’ new theory is that someone, someone possibly very close to the young suspects, took the time to carefully hide the body, not once but maybe twice, literally re-burying her.

      And there’s another stunning revelation from the authorities: Though they’re convinced Holloway is dead, they tell 48 Hours that they believe she was not murdered.

      “This was a highly intoxicated body of a very small person,” says Dompig.

      Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happened after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m. He says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brought Natalie back to the van der Sloots’ home.

      Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

      “We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed,” says Dompig.

      The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

      “We’re not talking about killers here,” he says.

      Or, as Dompig reveals for the first time, they could have had accomplices. “New people are coming in the picture. It is possible that there was a second group involved, or more people than these three boys,” he says.

      Dompig speculates the body was hastily buried once, and that those extra accomplices may have been needed to move it to a more hidden location.

      These latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.

      “I’m convinced that there’s no thing as a crime of this proportion, which goes unseen. There’s the information on there. And we just have to get it,” he says.

      But the challenges are daunting: So far, there has not been a shred of forensic evidence found in the van der Sloot house, the Kalpoe car, or anywhere else on the island.

      “It’s very rarely that you have a case that somebody just disappears and there’s hardly any evidence left behind,” says Shipper.

      Ten months after Natalee’s disappearance, Natalee’s home town of Mountain Brook, Alabama, is still starved for answers.

      Natalee’s schoolmates have had to handle a harsh lesson about the dangers of the adult world they’ve entered.

      “You know, we went on senior trip. But then after that, it was basically like we were forced to not become adults, but definitely grow up a lot,” says Cain.

      Natalee’s parents have filed a civil suit against Joran van der Sloot and his father, but Twitty knows she may never learn the truth about what happened to her daughter.

      Asked what gives her hope today, she replied, “I don’t have any.”

      “You don’t have any?” Roberts asked.

      “If somebody wants to tell me …” she tearfully replied.

      But Dompig is optimistic that answers will be found. “We are that much closer to knowing what really happened to Natalee,” he says. “A crime like this cannot go unsolved.”

    67. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 2:48 pm

      57…I do believe that it would not be beyond the capabilities of these predators to attempt to “lure” innocent young girls WHOM THEY INTEND TO VICTIMIZE BEGINNING BY DRUGGING THEM, but, because of the use of narcotics against their will and consent, this completely eliminates: ‘luring’ and becomes only ONE THING – KIDNAPPING.

      Thus – 1906′s very astute observation that there CONTINUES to be a MAJOR problem – even with the “I LEFT HER ON THE BEACH” lie because in one of Deepaks’ many lie-versions, he has his final drop off point at the MARIOTT HOTEL…which quickly gets SHIFTED to…THE BEACH.

      Once that drug was slipped into her drink, it could only be ONE THING: KIDNAPPING.


      Afterall, RAPE is for the perverted minds who PREY upon a VICTIM, and doesn’t include any regard or concerns for THE VICTIM being VIOLATED.

      What does this mean? It means these thugs not only sought to RAPE her and to GANG up on her, but they included the perversion of rendering her completely HELPLESS, so that THEY wouldn’t be inconvenienced during their insidious acts of violence upon this poor defenseless child!

      Try to stomach that thought, as you consider WHAT OUR FBI HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH! These men are the most diabolical bunch of monsters and MUST BE ARRESTED AND REMOVED AS A DANGER IN SOCIETY TO ALL OTHER CHILDREN WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN PREYED UPON BY THESE MONSTERS!

      Let’s not forget: there were Cameras being seized, and cell phones, computers, cars…and SO MANY MANY LIE STATEMENTS, and all sorts of things being looked into..amidst one comment by a United States representative that made this particular US official seem truly stunned by the nature of depravity and EVIL that IS involved in the hideous cruelty and human rights violations that Natlaee Holloway suffered at the hands of these beasts, and that her family continues to suffer at the hands of these beasts.

      Seems you may have struck a nerve, disgusted mom.

      FOLLOW your instincts while paying close attention to Natalee’s voice beneath all this depravity…

      How hideous it would be for tourists round the world to learn that CHILDREN were being targeted for depraved cruelty to be inflicted upon them through drugging and kidnapping, where they would then be subjected to GANG RAPES, and God only knows WHAT OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE all taking place on the “happy” “safe” island of Aruba.

      That would be a serious blow to tourism, I’m sure.


    68. chris on July 20th, 2007 2:51 pm

      I have but one question. Is anybody going to be arrested for Natalee’s murder/demise?
      If not, we do have a pretty good idea what will happen to all the perps involved sometime down the road.
      What the ALE doesn’t realize is that this latest statement
      will heighten the call to boycott even more. Is Holland going to keep Aruba afloat indefinitely? I doubt it.
      As for this “source”, should he/she not be locked up for not having come forward before?
      Just in case Greta wants to jump on the bandwagon, I have again sent her an email asking that she get her facts straight once and for all before hitting the airwaves.
      All suggestions that she spend some time reading SM stay unanswered.

    69. I Love America on July 20th, 2007 2:52 pm

      OOOOOOOO…..I sure would like to deck that DUMB PIG right between the eyes. That island breeds some really sick people because the stuff he has said in the above article is enough to boil your blood.


      SM: Not a new article – this is from 2006 (klaasend)

    70. Mohican on July 20th, 2007 3:03 pm

      Mediaman has a point. One should keep an open mind about possible developments about the case. Maybe Jorge Pesquera or Stephen Cohen or someone else with insider info about the initial part of the case is Geraldo and BOR’s source and they could know something that we don’t. Also, “top LE officials” does not mean that they are necessarily from Aruba.

    71. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 3:09 pm

      Thank you, Klassand! ( 61 SM!)

      My heart aches when I think of this precious child, and her mother and father, and family!

      I knew I had read this somewhere…but sometimes, I lose track of where I read things! You are right, there were some great articles addressing agreements between our nation and Aruba/Netherlands that deal with violations of agreement between our country and theirs. I keep hoping that the Dutch team that was in place would conduct themselves differently, by conducting themselves honorably.

      I still do believe there could be some whose intentions are to behave honorably…

      And then…there are the cold, painful realities that jump out at all of us, coming from the lips of Bill O.R. that cause me to feel sick inside and feel very uneasy about where all this is headed.

      I cannot fathom that the Dutch would want to wrap things up by washing their hands of this case, and participating ultimately in MORE COVERUP. I hold onto the belief that people like Jossey and DeVries are not alone in their disgust over how cruel and violated both Natalee and her family have been as a result of all very painful criminal activity inflicted upon them and upon Natalee.

      I suppose nothing about this child’s suffering is ever going to feel old to me, perhaps because even today – her suffering and torment, and all the cruelty inflicted upon Natalee and her family, remains ever so fresh and present because she remains “CONTAINED” in Aruba, she remains stripped of all her human rights, her family remains in unconsolable sorrow in continuing to NOT KNOW – WHAT was done to their beloved child nor to know where she is!

      God bless Natalee.
      God bless her family in their courage to pursue her right to justice and truth!

      God bless Tim Miller on his journey to finding her, and bringing her finally …home!

    72. super dave on July 20th, 2007 3:20 pm

      ok, so Rivera & O’reilly have a credible source that says
      Natalee died of an overdose of cocaine ( with jr sloot and the kpoots). if an ale official knows this for sure, these people should have never been allowed to leave the jail much less the island !
      if this information came from julia the rent ho or any of her cronies, i’m not inclined to believe any of this garbage. also what law enforcement official would go to
      either one of these guys and give this information. has anyone heard of what Dave Holloway has to say about this ?

    73. mayan_moons on July 20th, 2007 3:50 pm

      The VDS’s treated Natalee like just another piece of their garbage to be gotton rid of………no muss…no fuss

    74. 10061906 on July 20th, 2007 3:53 pm

      # 59 Pearl:
      A few of the entertainers had additional gigs at some of the bars and after hours night clubs in San Nicolas the night Natalee disappeared;
      Some of the clubs in the RED LIGHT District are The Black and White (it even has a red light in the doorway), the Copacabana; the Gents’ club looks interesting.
      The famous Charlie’s Bar borders the Red Light.
      They even have clubs down there with barbed and razor wire fences; must be important.
      There are also some clean multistory warehouses that look clean and could be used for Rave Parties. Maybe Joran’s nicknames “Stage Boy and Lover Boy” mean something when he gets together with Guido. Why Joran’s father and god father may even be partners in a HOUSE (you know Brothel) down in San Nicolas. You know the one: “he can walk in all circles” van der Straaten.
      Remember the VCB shirt (ala Geoff or Michael D), sunglass (ala Geoff) piece of foam with teeth marks and the Lysol spray bottle of unknown liquid, were all found in the colony section of San Nicolas called Lagoville. Nothing was ever mentioned again and may not now even exist. The International School is there. Since Joran spends a lot of his time going to “School” there; I’m sure he is no stranger to some of these places.
      Also; the pet cemetery is down at the end of the peninsula area:
      Pearl just some food for thought.

    75. Freebrid on July 20th, 2007 4:02 pm

      As Joran did say in one of his interviews “SOMEDAY I WILL TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT”! he has lied the whole time. And how did they come to this report of Natalee overdosing, THERE”S NO BODY or do they have one and just never have told anyone. You can’t just deside I’m going to call it a overdose and close the case, but we are dealing with lieing, murdering, kidnapping, raping, break any law you want people!! Just unbeliveable!!!

    76. december_star on July 20th, 2007 4:16 pm

      It seems to me that the only credible source there could be for telling whether or not Natale OD’d would be her body or the coroner who performed the autopsy. Since there are neither it is impossible and irresponsible to say so. Besides if that were the case the suspects would have somehow at tried least thrown it in there with all their other lies. I am terribly afraid that they are going to get away with this, it just seems like one new crazy story after another coming out of Aruba. Soon they are all going to start mixing together causing confusion, and distraction from what people really need to be focusing on. Although I have no doubt Scared Monkeys and all their little monkeys are up to the task of keeping things straight, but the rest of the world is seeing this now and wondering if it is indeed true and reconsidering their travel plans, and going back to Aruba. I hope not, the way they keep spinning it you never know.

    77. GAP on July 20th, 2007 4:19 pm

      the transcripts say law enforcement officials, plural.

    78. katablog on July 20th, 2007 4:27 pm

      From #54:Geraldo is not reporting the Kalpoes and Joran were not involved in a crime. He is reporting what a source told him. Since he has a source, which most Monkey’s don’t, perhaps he has something worth considering.>>>>>>>>

      Yeah mediaman, after all, we’ve had such great credible sources out of Aruba. There simply is NO WAY a “source” could KNOW what happened to Natalee unless 1) they were present or 2) they did an autopsy. Are you trying to tell us that was done?

      If the “credible source” is merely repeating what someone confessed to, that doesn’t mean that this is exactly how it happened.

      Cardiac arrest: possible but would take a doctor to confirm it was that and not some other medical emergency.

      Drug overdose: only those who gave it to her or a doctor would know, but again quite possible.

      Cocaine: sorry, don’t buy it. It’s a cooked up story to try to make it appear that it’s Natalee’s fault. Also doesn’t fit with disposal of the body.

      Even IF Natalee took Cocaine willingly (which totally doesn’t fit with the story) in the USA those with her are still guilty of her death unless they tried to stop her.

      GHB overdose: now we are talking. This fits with Natalee’s actions of going in and out of consciousness. This fits with the boys MO, this fits with CnC’s MO, this fits with the boys showing up 1/2 hour before closing

      These boys ARE murderers where they intended to murder Natalee or not. When you give someone drugs you are responsible for the outcome.

    79. I Love America on July 20th, 2007 4:31 pm

      Klaasend…you are correct. My apologies for posting an old article. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    80. driving miss daisy on July 20th, 2007 4:35 pm

      Making unverfied statements from “sources” can result in litigation and loss of job. I hope Gerald and Bill are ready to scrape the barrel once more. I think this is another “empty vault” for Gerald.

    81. Sherry on July 20th, 2007 4:44 pm

      Why would O’Reilly do a report from a source he could not name. Wonder WHY he could not name them?

    82. ben on July 20th, 2007 5:00 pm

      every one email oreally,,,,,,there are no credible sources from aruba……IF ANY ONE OF NATALEES FAMILY READS THIS PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR OUTRAGE TO THE MEDIA

    83. boywonder on July 20th, 2007 5:01 pm

      the only one snorting cocaine that night was Paulus

    84. Maggie on July 20th, 2007 5:09 pm

      Suzy , Natalee wasn’t drunk out of her mind that day and night. Videotapes show her walking perfectly fine into the casino that night.

      This was the same story Dompig tried to peddle last year on “48 hrs” and was given the axe afterwards. These were the comments on Fox then.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Joining us from New York is former Westchester DA Jeanine Pirro. In San Francisco is former assistant DA Jim Hammer. Here in Washington, defense attorneys Ted Williams and Bernie Grimm.

      Jeanine, I confess, I would love to have this interview that CBS beat us out for. What would be your reaction, if you were Karin Janssen and Dompig got on camera and said these things?

      JEANINE PIRRO, FORMER WESTCHESTER COUNTY, NY, DA: Well, you know, I have three reactions, Greta. Number one, I am very concerned about someone in law enforcement who gets on television and says, you know, We think she died not as a result of a homicide, not that anybody can even be sure of that, at this point, but rather the use of alcohol and drugs. I mean, that is slanderous in terms of this victim. What we’re doing is, we’re trashing the victim now.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Well, let me stop right here. Let me just stop right here, and let me run through this a little bit because I got a little bit of history on this. I’ve got in my hand a June 9 statement that Deepak made while he was in custody, and this was after they left the bar that night. Deepak says, “She was, after all, drunker than before. I thought she talked too much. She talked pretty loud.” He’s talking about her intoxication.

      I have an FBI 302 form – the FBI would probably have a stroke if they know that we got these. But it says in an interview with one of her friends on June 3, her friend, Lee (ph), and she says, “During the early morning hours, they were drinking alcohol, something called red fires.”

      I’ve got another 302 of an interview done on June 2 with Catherine Whatley (ph), another friend, and says Holloway was drinking red fires, which had 151 in them. That’s talking about Sunday night. There’s no question there was alcohol, but she didn’t deserve to die because she was drinking.

      PIRRO: But not just the alcohol. And you have someone in law enforcement saying the alcohol and drugs, when he can’t even say that she was using drugs. He can only say that a credible witness said that she possessed drugs. How dare you say she died of a combination of the two!

      VAN SUSTEREN: Oh, I agree with that. I agree with that.


      PIRRO: OK, we are not suggesting that she wasn’t drinking. She was a college kid on vacation. But to say that it was the use of alcohol and drugs that caused her death, that’s my first concern. I don’t like it!

      VAN SUSTEREN: Actually – let me stop there. I agree with you on that.

      PIRRO: All right, second concern is this. If you believe that the body was buried and reburied, stop talking about it and go do something! Get it done instead of getting on television to talk about it. Number three is this, Greta. It’s quite possible that law enforcement is using the media to smoke out more information or to get someone to start talking about or doing something while they are under surveillance.

      VAN SUSTEREN: You’re giving them more credit on number three, I’ll tell you, because they don’t even return my phone calls. In fact, I’m even a little bit wanted down there.


      VAN SUSTEREN: So anyway, Ted?

      JIM HAMMER, FORMER ASST. SAN FRANCISCO DA: There’s an arrest warrant for you, Greta.

      TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Let me just say this. This is the most disrespectful, most insensitive thing that Dompig and a chief of police could do to this family. Look, you go, you find the body, and then you talk about the fact that she was on some drug.

      PIRRO: Absolutely!

      WILLIAMS: The mere fact that you go on television and you announce this without having a body – and then to say that she overdosed? Well, if she overdosed, did she then become alive and take herself somewhere and bury herself? This is ridiculous!


      BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think Jeanine had 57 points. I agree with 47B13 that she made…


      GRIMM: …which is if you’re doing an interview with “48 Hours” and you have specific information from a credible witness that he said – and he said it’s impossible this person could have made this up, we believe that she’s in place X – not to be crude about it, why they hell doesn’t he have a shovel and dig in that place right now? I mean, it’s time to get going on this! He had this tip a long time ago. May is sort of around the corner now.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, I’m anxious to see the rest of the interview. I mean, that’s the stuff that we’re hearing about now. And they’re going to bring some of the tape tomorrow night, but they’re going to show all of it on Saturday night. Jim?

      HAMMER: You know, the person I want to hear from, Greta, the one we’ve not heard from these nine months, is Karin Janssen. I think, if, in fact, she said today what Dave claimed, Dave Holloway, that is, this is an old tip, that makes sense to me. If this were such a hot, credible tip, any cop worth his salt would be out there with a team of people digging in those sand dunes. I think it’s probably not a fresh tip or a credible tip. But to drag the family through this, like Jeanine said, is really unforgivable. The first phone call ought to be to a victim’s family, not to the news media.

      PIRRO: Exactly.

      HAMMER: And for this poor family repeatedly to have to learn on the news what’s happening in this investigation – which is usually nothing, by the way – is unforgivable!

      VAN SUSTEREN: You know, I honestly don’t believe this sand dune tip for the simple reason is that in my wildest dreams, I cannot believe if police have a tip where a body is, that they sit in the office and talk about it.


      WILLIAMS: And take it one step further. If you are going on “48 Hours” and talking about you know where the body is, well, the crook or the criminal knows where it is, so why doesn’t the criminal go and move the body again?


      WILLIAMS: That’s so stupid!

      PIRRO: Ted, that’s exactly the point! It is so outrageous and so beyond the pale, that the only credible excuse you could give them for saying it is, maybe they’re trying to smoke out the criminal to see if he’s going to go dig out…

      HAMMER: You’re giving them too much credit, Jeanine.

      WILLIAMS: Yes, you’re giving them too much credit.

      PIRRO: If we can’t give them credit, then what we have to say is it’s just plain stupid!

      WILLIAMS: It is! It is stupid.

      HAMMER: They make the Keystone Kops look like the FBI!

      WILLIAMS: Let me say it for you, Jeanine. It is stupid and it’s disrespectful!

      VAN SUSTEREN: Is it stuck on stupid?

      WILLIAMS: Greta gave me the words!


      WILLIAMS: It’s just stuck on stupid!

      VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, I’ll give you the last word on this.

      GRIMM: You know, we laugh about it, but I mean, we all feel terrible about it. And Beth Holloway’s been in the studio and she’s a very engaging person. But when she was asked, What do you know about this, and she said, I’ll just have to watch the rest of the program…

      HAMMER: That’s outrageous!

      GRIMM: No one’s told her. No one’s told her.

      HAMMER: Outrageous!

      VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, this family’s got a broken heart, and this has been bizarre!

      PIRRO: But this is part of the ripple effect that families go through. You know, when someone becomes the victim of a crime, it’s not just the victim, it’s the family. And the heartache goes on and on and on.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, but wait a second, Jeanine. Jeanine, not every crime can be solved. Not every missing person is a crime. But you can…

      PIRRO: But they deserve dignity!

      VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, right. You can do it with manners. You can stay in touch with the people.

      WILLIAMS: That’s right!

      VAN SUSTEREN: You can show that if you have a tip that a body is buried there, you can get out there with a shovel!

      WILLIAMS: You can conduct a professional investigation. You don’t conduct an investigation like Dompig! And if anybody needs to boycott that island, they need to boycott it to get rid of this chief of police!


      VAN SUSTEREN: How do you really feel, Ted?

      HAMMER: I thought you were against that, Ted.

      WILLIAMS: I’m against the boycott of Aruba, but this chief needs to go!


      VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Panel, thank you. Ted takes the last word on that. He will not be going to Aruba.


    85. Brie on July 20th, 2007 5:36 pm

      So, Natalee took massive amounts of cocaine…..yeah, and it snows in Aruba…..who said that, Joran. Probably, that’s his method, blame the victim. Blame anybody, we know people are for his use only. Discredit Natalee, he’s been doing that from the beginning. And how come O’Reilly is so privy to confidential information.

    86. 10061906 on July 20th, 2007 5:39 pm

      Maggie 84
      There are a few things out of many I would like to share with you about the casino tape.
      You have to review it frame by frame.
      The first being that Natalee is shown walkling into the casino 30 some minutes AFTER she is seated at the gaming table.
      Another is although there appears to be a water bottle in front of her she is sipping a drink from a straw.
      OK she likes bottled water in a glass. Further in the video she is constantly on the cell phone while Lee walks in and out of the picture.
      Joran liked Ruth better; however Joran is sitting next to Ruth and doesn’t give her the time of day.
      He is an outgoing guy?
      Again examining the tapes Joran isn’t shown at the gaming table until almost 30 minutes after he walks through the sliding doors.
      There is a shadowed figure to the right of the dealer; he takes something out of his jacket and places it on the table next to the so called paulus look alike.
      One final note and again frame by frame. Joran is outside the sliding doors, then he is between the open sliding doors and the sequential frame shows him back outside the sliding doors. IMHO the casino tapes have been splice/altered and only VCB would be capable of doing that. You know Geoff’s father’s business.

    87. Brie on July 20th, 2007 5:48 pm

      How many bucks went into O’Reilly’s pocket?

    88. GAP on July 20th, 2007 6:04 pm

      Searches of every possible means were conducted in the past two years.
      Dutch Royal Navy fighter jets searched for Natalee above Aruba and couldn’t find any indications that her body was still on the island. The three F16 fighter jets made 11 flights above the island, mapped its entire surface and scanned specific areas by order of the Aruban authorities. According to Dutch Royal Navy Commander Jack Goense,”no trace of Holloway was found during these flights”.
      Aruba is going to close this case. IMO there is no new facts and no body has been found. :(

    89. disgustedmom on July 20th, 2007 6:06 pm

      AZLady, I’m not romanticizing anything. If anyone is, that would be Joran and his story of his sexy walk on the beach etc. In his dreams!

      It is entirely possible what you say happened to Natalee IS what happened to her. But there is no need to get your panties in a wad over other possibilities. Any possibility except that Joran VDS is innocent of some sinister part in Natalee being missing is fair game.

    90. disgustedmom on July 20th, 2007 6:10 pm

      #63…Thanks Richard. I AM only trying to keep all angles out there, and it’s just amazing to me that everything BUT selling girls for sex has been openly talked about by ALE in this case. To me, that makes it a strong possibility.

    91. Pearl on July 20th, 2007 6:15 pm

      74 – 1906…no doubt that several items were collected in the southern area of the island. Some items to the eastern shore of the southern area, some to the western shore and more to the north.

      There was the foreshadowing of an arrest “to come” which – indeed, did preceed the arrest of John and Jones, to be followed by the hollow THUD of NO RESPONSE, NO ACTION TAKEN to the compelling revelations from M. John’s lips upon his release of information to ALE officials, which was passed to him by Deepak while STILL IN JAIL, and then repeated to the media, upon his release from jail…

      ‘The father, and all of them…. they made up the whole story together – about a guard, clothes, EVERYTHING…’

      (Referencing: Holiday Inn lies, and the involvement of PVDS in the creation of those lies,.. not exact words that M. John used, but the essence of what John said.)

      1906 – I have no doubt that some of those items “discovered” on WHICH DATE, may relate to Natalee’s case and the criminal acts inflicted upon her.

      But, you have to wonder about WHEN those items were found, and WHO led polis to these “locations” where – poof! They were suddenly discovered! (Sort of the way that we continue to scratch our heads trying to find something plausible that can stand on two legs and pass as logical deductions that “led ALE officials to arrest John and Jones” !!!


      The suspicious events leading to the phoney arrests of John and Jones cause me to highly doubt whether ANY of the material found in the south ever had ORIGINS there. Yes, I do believe they “ended up” there. But as Satish says:

      “We got bored, and we all decided to go to THE HOUSE”.

      It is striking, in my opinion, 1906 – HOW MUCH is put out there, and WHEN it is put out there, to draw us all AWAY from THE HOUSE.

      Why – this so called “accidental overdose” had Paulus in such a dither, that he had to actually EXTRACT HIMSELF from being right there at that CASINO, right next to Natalee.

      Where they took her after the house? …..

      It sure seems like folks were in a hurry to pull us away from the Marriott and on to the sandy beach.

      These thugs have done this 20x before…or more.

      They’re so satiated with thoughts of themselves that it would strike me as inconceivable that in addition to worrying about themselves during their savagery they inflict upon children, and what would be a cause of discomfort FOR THEM, AS THEY ALL GANG UP ON A LITTLE DEFENSELESS GIRL AND PROCEED TO RAPE HER – that they would inconvenience THEMSELVES with inferior settings within which their full satanical selves could be revealed, – which suggests to me that these devils had a place all right that they routinely went to and felt quite comfortable going to, that satisfied their loathsome sense of needing to serve themselves. It’s someplace where the