RSSAruba Blames FBI, BETH, JUG, DAVE THE FAMILY, HELL THEY BLAME YOU For the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Well AMERICA, we know know what Aruba really thinks of Americans. Their 
incompetence, corruption and cover up of a crime upon am American tourist is your fault. It’s everyones fault, but theirs. The below article would actually be laughable if it were not for one important fact. There is a teenager named Natalee Holloway missing and considered by most dead. Who on earth gave you people this advice to attack an American family, the FBI and teenagers on the eve of the birth of America. Brilliant … simply brilliant!
In the 2+ years that we have covered the case of Natalee Holloway, I thought that we had seen and heard it all. Now comes some of the most nonsensical, ridiculous and foolish garbage that has yet been printed. Maybe Aruba would like to explain why they feel the need to investigate the family and friends of Natalee more than the actual people who were suspects in this case?
You are blaming the family of a missing girl for your screw ups and cover ups. Honestly, by the words printed in this article and the feelings and comments expressed in it … No American ever need step foot on Aruba ever. They have let everyone know just how little they think of you.
Aruba’s new tourism slogan: Come to Aruba … Where we will Blame you for a crime.
We will break this article down in detail over the next couple of days. Shameful, simply shameful.
Amigoe, July 3, 2007: The other side of the Holloway-case: ‘Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .
“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.
“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”
VIDEO TAPE
So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.
The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.
Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.
That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.
MEDPLANE
They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.
SECRET EXIT
The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.
Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.
Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”
She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.
TELEPHONE CALL
The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.
When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.
But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.
ALBERTO G.
Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.
JORAN
If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.
For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .
Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”
In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.
ENORMOUS PRESSURE
Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington . Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”
STEPFATHER
Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”
But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.
It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.
The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.
NOT ON FBI LIST
The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.
Posted July 3, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, Beth Holloway, Bizarre, boycott, Crime, Dave Holloway, Deepak Kalpoe, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot, Travel, WTF | 176 comments |
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This is so bogus it’s sad. What is wrong with these people? If you ever questioed the boycott of Aruba this should convince you that no one should expose themselves to this type of filth. BTW…Julia Refro is a waste of protoplasm.
I call BS!!!! Boycott Aruba. One day we will know the truth about what happened to Natalee. May the person(s) who have harmed Natalee and her family with their dillusional lies pay the price for their actions!
And the Arubans don’t understand the boycott? Unbelievable.
Sorry, it is NOT Aruba that is Blaming America. Those words are coming from an ex-Chief of Police who was born in SURINAME. And two unsuccessful social-reporters who were both born in the USA. Please note that NONE of these 3 persons were born in Aruba. And… the newspaper “Amigoe” is printed in CURACAO, and the reporter of the dutch language paper was born in NETHERLANDS.
There is NO ONE FROM ARUBA blaming the Americans. Just a few persons out for revenge trying to clear their mud-covered name. From now one, I will not eat at Buccaneer Restaurant anymore.
Send by: An Aruban deeply ashamed of this new nonsense.
Well Raymond, if you are indeed from Aruba what can you tell us about what Arubans are saying about this aritcle? Are they listning to these malcontents or not?
why is natalee not on the FBI’s missing persons list?
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SM: She is on the Seeking Information page, the same page that most MURDER VICTIMS are on:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/seek.htm
(klaasend)
Monkeys,
I’m sorry, I’m just not going to post much, that is until they return to the landfill and start a search there. This is the location of Natalee’s body. I’m afraid by now it is in very poor shape. Why God doesn’t just strike these predators dead in their tracks, I don’t know; but there is no short supply of these scum, and they infect the world in abundance.
I’ve always only recognized evil on a face-to-face basis, so I really can’t give any discernment about the perps in this case without actually being in their presence. Just guessing, I would say that Joran would give me the creeps big time, but I would not fear him.
I believe that the rock videos are real, and if that is not Natalee in video #8, then I ask this question-what other small, white girl was missing at that time? The date of June 10 for the date of the video makes no sense to me, unless Natalee was kept alive (or in cold storage) until just a few hours before the video was taken.
As far as all of Carpe’s pictures of the plastic in the containment area off the cement bridge, yes, there is something there. My mind just goes wild when I look at the pictures, and I’ve seen things that no one else has. How it ties in to my assumption that Natalee is in landfill, I can’t say. I would love for someone to explain the things to me that I can’t explain.
If and when I post, my statements will be the same. Natalee is in the landfill.
I think Dave Holloway does or did believe the same thing.
The landfill, the landfill, the landfill.
Jerry
The only thing that hindered Aruba Police is corruption and their perversions.
Aruba is so laughable.
Someone needs to sue everyone of these pigs. This is the most ridiculous bunch of nonsense I have read yet. This country’s officials and cops think they are just like J2K golden and untouchable. Day after Day we’ve had to listen to lies spewed out about a girl who was murdered on her vacation in Aruba and her family. What the hell is wrong with these nuts? Right Gerald tell us was that before or after Natalee died accidently and buried herself twice.
#4.
Dompig may be from Surinam … but he was the chief of Police of Aruba. Renfro may be from the US, but she is a news editor in Aruba and speaks for Aruba.
You people need to voice your opinion. Americans will read this and blame Aruba in whole.
It is a dispicable thing that was said about a family who’s daughter is dead. Absolutely dispicable.
R
Boycott Boycott Boycott
This is a sad day for Aruba. They just cut off limbs to safe themself, and now they can’t swim.
Stupid is as stupid does…..
I’ve always believed Junior. Jamie Skeeters said he was a liar. I see now that he was. That is, he told a half truth which Jamie interpreted as a total lie.
What Junior saw was Paulus, Joran, and the two Ks searching in the landfill. They were looking for Natalee, and if they found her, I am wrong about her being there now.
Junior wanted the reward, and he felt for sure Natalee’s body was there, so he told a lie to get them to look. If they found Natalee, he got a reward. Same holds true today. If and when they find Natalee in the landfill, Junior gets the reward.
Jerry
Jerry,
Why do you think Paulus, Joran and K2 were looking for Natalee in the landfill? To move her again?
Raymond,
Appreciate your post but we have been hearing vile disgusting lies like this for two years. Dozen’s of times just from these two in writing and on film not to mention most everyone else that has been involved from your country..We have seen false arrests,retracted confessions,leading us to the body,she killed herself by OD,10..etc etc etc..He says they were pressured to make arrests but they knew they were lying and still arrested the innocent security guards and let the liars free for 10 days to destroy evidence and get there story straight. Major conflict of interest in every aspect of this sad story.
When Dompig was with the ALE we were looking for one 14 size show(Joran wears 10 1/2),FBI was helping the ALE,His brother in law was a key witness to frame two innocent security guards and also says he saw Natalee with cocaine. He says there is no proof of assault or rape then is on tape saying the opposite a month later. He says they are guilty as hell..He has blamed Natalee,The family and now the FBI. This guy is dirty as hell and was allowed to do all this and more as a high ranking official in Natalee’s Investigation.
Julia Renfro has to be evil. She has lied so many times and the ALE and Newspapers put wings on her lies..Natalee is on another island,Ran away with a blue eyed dutch boy..The all time worse is when she called the Family and said they found Natalee and to meet them at the Corthouse. She has always lied about beth but this is unbeleavable!!!!!!She should be in jail or a mental hospital!!!!
Who is funding this Aruban Documentary?? Why was this story allowed to be printed? When is Dompig going to be held accountable for lying,obstructing justice and introducing false evidence and witnesses??
When are the Aruban People ever going to stand up???? All we have ever seen is lies,attacking the victim and her family and a ridiculous coverup. Where is the justice and compassion for a victim and her family?
http://tinyurl.com/2sxuyd
http://tinyurl.com/yp87q7
Boycott Aruba!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have 274 contacts on email. They each received a copy of this blame game trash with a “Please Forward to everyone you know”. There will be a price to pay.
Raymond Kelly, I understand where you are coming from, however, these people and their lies are all that we see reported from Aruba. Very rarely a post like yours shows up. Renfro and her lying gang appear to speak for most Arubans. They know they are lying, we know they are lying and by, again, pushing themselves into the limelight the whole world will know of their lies. Renfro and crew are a disaster for Aruba, tell all your friends and neighbors!! And THANKS for boycotting the Buccaneer Restaurant, God Bless.
Have Julie Renfroe and others mentioned in this article given their statements to Aruban police? Did they approach the FBI agents on the island during the summer of 2005 with these revlelations? If not, I’d say they have hindered the investigation.
I think a REAL documentary should be made here, hell just using all the video footage of the Aruba official’s and spokesperson’s lying their a$$ off and the mind games they played with the family and millions of viewing Americans tells the story of what lying, lowlife people they are.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm
Umm still on the FBI list
In aruba the palm trees sway back and fourth all day long because ARUBA BLOWS !!!
If we all pitch in a nickel maybe we could buy the hole stinking island a cup of coffee
How interesting that DUmbPig has decided to open his trap spewing this nonsense again when his own son Micheal injected himself into the case causing DumPig to go from
“THESE 3 ARE GUILTY AS HELL”
WE’VE LOOKED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND ALL ROADS ALWAYS LEAD BACK TO THESE 3 SUSPECTS”
To:
“NATALEE OD’D AND BURIED HERSELF TWICE”
GO TO HELL ARUBA!
Sahara
Excellent Idea.
Yes, terrific idea Sahara, thanks. I’ll also send copies of some of worst posts from certain sites. You know, posts by Julia Renfro, her mother and sister, etc.
Hey Miss-U!
I just read in the forum that some on the scuzz sites are saying that the container in the water was “PLANTED”????
Is that true coz if they are really saying that then they are predicting and or conceding that Evidence WILL be found in that container?
Wow, I am ALMOST speechless! This is THE worst conspiracy theory from them I could ever imagine. Over 2 yrs. later, they decide to come up with this? Is that how long it took them to think of this far-fetched ridiculous theory, and write about it? Ummm, should we send them all a copy of the statements? I must be missing something here…. I didn’t know Beth had THAT much power! All the way from the FBI up to Cheney, huh? Wow! Damn, come up with something more believable than that! That is the MOST ridiculous thing I’ve ever read! I can only pray the audience they are trying to convice is smarter than that! If they arent, then they ain’t worth it anyways!
It’s maybe a little far fetched, but I wouldn’t put it past Americans to pull something like this. They cover up everything (look at the secret CIA prisons in Poland & Romania they lied about for so long) If anything, boycot the US. Let the Americans stay in their own country and everything will be just fine. Too bad so many tourists are killed in the US, though, and have been for many many years.
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SM: I see you are in the Netherlands. Are you a friend of Joran’s by any chance? (klaasend)
No, not really, as a matter of fact I thinkt the guy did it all along – like most people in Holland think that. Unlike what most of you think, we don’t really see Arube as ‘part’ of the Netherlands here. I just personally think the whole boycot is completely absurd and so typically American it actually makes me laugh, like suing Mc Donalds over a cup of hot coffee. Completely over the edge and pretty hypocritical for a country in which so many tourists are slaughtered.
What will the Arubans think about this story? Due to the fact that only 1.300 copies of “Amigoe” newspaper is flown in every evening to this island, and that the content is completely in Dutch… only 2% of the population will know about it.
Even if Julie and Angela publish it simultaneously in their Social-Life Paper… it will not reach everyone.
Why are these people coming up with this ridiculous theory right now? Are these reporters running out of “Social Life Events” stories that they are always dedicated to cover for their paper? And why did Julie not even mention why she didn’t know from Day #1 about this case? Remember she was stoned-cold drunk on June 1st, 2005? Only after the heavy hangover, did she realize on June 2nd what had happened, after every other media outlet published Natalee’s dissapearance, except her paper.
I believe that Arubans (those born here) still think that the 3 boys are responsible for the dissappearance. Why are there so many hatred in Julie and Angela towards Beth? BOTH OF THEM are referring to Beth as a “b*tch” when making refference to her. What’s going on in their minds? I don’t know.
A plane lands here and nobody knows it? Come on! Do these folks know about “parking fees”, “fueling logs”, and other stringent ICAO requirements, etc.?
I’m telling you, watch out. These two are still digging up details about what happened on June 10. They are spinning out of control, with the emphasis here on “spinning”. Good evening people.
• I agree with Raymond Kelly partly: this is not a statement by Aruba. It’s a statement by a police commissionar who already has fallen from his pedestal. I think most Arubans by now understand the REAL truth has to come up soon.
• This story isn’t very big news in the Netherlands untill now; there are only a couple of minor articles on newssites (run by newspapers) on it. I haven’t seen it in any of the television newsshows untill now so I think most chief editors don’t think this is a very important and credible report of what really happened.
I think this story is made into a videodocumentary by this reporter just to make a buck…
My first thought after reading the “declare war on the victim & victim’s Loved Ones” article is that there are several Arubans, Surinamesians, Dutch-Arubans, etc in Aruba who are, obviously, *STILL*, *verrrry* *nervous* about the forthcoming searches for Natalee by Texas EquuSearch and additional helping professionals,
and,
765 days after being the last persons to be with the slipping in & out of un-consciousness Natalee,
that J2K are *STILL* the Main Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, & Corpse disposal Suspects.
This article has the transparently obvious under-the-influence fingerprints of the Ameri-ruban traitor and pathalogical liar, Renfro, liberally spewed all through it. (she obviously also fears that *her* past actions, *her* personal contacts, & *her* shady investments will be further brightly illuminated)
The Natalee Holloway Timeline of Persons, Places, Actions, Deliberate in-actions, & Known Murder Suspects, & Officials Outright Lies….
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
Pwwwwwwww….some people have really gone off their rocker!
Another page for the history books
Sounds like the minds of heroin injections, coke snorters and marijuana smokers
Beth came to crush us….I wish she would of ….but that’s OK, we’ll do it for her
Hi all and Fellow monkeys,
I have followed de Nat Holloway case from the beginning and still follow her. The Netherlands Goverment in cooporation with aruba has sent very qualified officers to aruba and even sent the airforce ( a 2 million dollar operation ) to help find Natalee . I think that Aruba made a huge effort in finding her.I find it a bit far fetched to boycot Aruba or accuse the people of Aruba. Tell me in which country in the world they would expent so much to find a missing person ?.All these efforts have not led to a single evidence to built up a case to put these three man behind bars. For the sake of finding Natalee , I am willing to follow any lead to resolve this case even if it a is lead that farfetched as the article presumes . Because my only interest not lays in a blame game accusing Americans or Arubans of who said or did what , but truly in finding Natalee. I challenge you all to be openminded and explore the unexplored .Love and peace to you all .
Bendex
Dompig should be deported
Renfro is a friend of A..Nutta, lying one at that
Paulus thinks with his penis
Joran doesn’t have anything left to think with
And they lie…and they lie…and they lie!
I’m just glad Natalee’s family got out of there alive
Dumb shit’s, they just gave us more fuel for the fire
This is absolutely disgusting! I hope that intelligent Americans everywhere see this nonsense and the American tourism trade on this disgusting Island completely dies! America owes Aruba absolutely nothing!
Be safe all, have a happy 4th of July! Enjoy yourself..Aruba’s screwed.
i wonder if aruba steve’s pr company recommended this course of action. if so, they’re without a doubt the dumbest bunch of fools in the world. when this set of lies blows up in their faces, they’ll finally have to fall back on the godzilla theory. unless they’re all demoncraps down there, in which case george will be named first. maybe he sent zilla himself.
dennisintn
So now Vice President Dick Cheney is supposed to be a suspect or something? Honest to God, the gutter trash journalism on Aruba … if even the people there believe it, I would be amazed. But you never know.
As I posted elsewhere, if even Joran van der Sloot says he doesn’t care about the boycott and its effects on Aruba, why should we?
The one bit of truth that I found in that article is that the first posters to be put up about Natalee did indeed say “Kidnapped,” not “Missing.” Obviously the parents knew that Natalee wasn’t the type to just miss her plane home … so kidnapping wasn’t an outlandish idea to have.
I still think it’s possible that she was taken off the island … we know for a fact that the drug armies in the Caribbean and on South American have private airstrips. It would be nothing at all to put her on a boat or on a private plane, the night she vanished or later.
And it’s still puzzling why van der Straaten, who said in early June that he knew that Natalee was dead (“I’ve seen the evidence and you haven’t”), some months later was asking nearby governments to be on the lookout for Natalee.
But whatever the truth, the nonsense being spouted here is just that. Read this, Americans, and declare independence from those who would urge you to go to Aruba. Don’t believe the ads of the casinos, the hotels, the airlines, the tourist industry that wants your money.
Just DON’T GO TO ARUBA. And if you want to do something more, let Aruba know why.
A good idea? You bet your life.
“except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck …”
What’s going on in the minds of these scum who write this trash is something I wouldn’t care to think about ….
Hey, Dutchie, tell me what’s so absurd about the boycott. Seems to me no more than common sense that if something happens to one of your fellow citizens abroad, and the government of that country tries to cover it up, then you retaliate as best you can. And the boycott is the best tool that we have.
Aruba’s economy is 80% dependent on American tourism …
no justice for Natalee, no tourists for Aruba.
Why don’t you stay home and tend to your dikes?
truthseeker2,
Joran, and the two Ks placed Natalee in plastic and then put her in a trash dumpster. They waited until the trash truck picked the dumpster up. They followed it to the landfill, and watched the driver dump the load to make sure he didn’t see anything. They knew the general area, but in my opinion they could not find Natalee’s body. This would account for the distraction every time it was felt Dave Holloway was getting close to finding Natalee.
Jerry
Dutchie,
Let me get this right. You think Joran killed Natalee, right? You think he is scum of the earth, right? You think we in the U.S. have scum like that hurting, killing innocent tourist each year, right?
So, the only thing we disagree on is the boycott. You agree with the rest of the posters, as far as our hatred for the predators in the world, the Scott Petersons, and the Ted Bundies, right? So what if you don’t particularly like Americans. We are what we are. Most of us are just down right tired of apologizing to the world.
Jerry
Let’s see what happens with this news item on the Holloway case. Untill now all news was directly broadcasted on foxnews and other stations. I bet you that this news will not be broadcasted, because it is not in sync with the Aruba bashing show they are putting up. Please investigate the things said about Dr Phil program. If he really tampered with the tapes, then you should boycot his program.
I see no reason for Aruba to continue to pay VCB for beach security.
It is obvious that they were not doing proper beach patrol. If they had they would have seen Natalee and Joran on the beach. Or did Joran leave Natalee on the beach for the VCB patrol. At that time Geoff van Cromvoirt still worked for VCB and was on beach patrol that night.
Or did Joran leave Natalee on the beach after everyone was finished with Natalee?
Well, Dutchie, you don’t see any American law enforcement publicly blaming the family of a “slaughtered” tourist for somehow preventing law enforcement from solving the crime. Or accusing the grieving family of perpetrating an insurance scam. Generally, when tourists are victims of crimes in the US, the criminal is caught and punished. At least the law enforcement here make an honest effort to solve the crime.
Isn’t that what freedom of speech is all about, that articles like this can be written? Why do you immediately think that this is what all Arubans think about Americans? Since when is what one journalist (or 2 documentary makers) say the truth? You don’t think the same about American journalists, do you? You don’t think the same as every other American person, do you? Than don’t say that is the case for other nationalities. It only shows ignorance and proves people like “A Dutchie” right. It is absurd and makes the rest of the world laugh when you write things like that!
By the way, who says that Natalee’s family, friends and other students aren’t involved? They have never been properly investigated. Isn’t that what you are saying about Joran and the Kalpoe brothers? Why is it that there is one truth for one person, but not for the other people?
Can someone explain this to me?!
I have to agree with Dutchie. Yes, either JvdS or K2 is guilty as hell. And yes mistakes have been made during the investigation. But mistakes are made everywhere and a complete country can’t be blamed (Otherwise the US should be boycotted as well). Complete nonsense. And most of all; in the end we will need (certain) Arubaeans to solve this case.
SM started off real good. Accurate articles, documents and a lot of facts. But recently, by lack of any progress, assumptions are presented as facts. This does not help the solvation of the case at all! This way SM will not be considered as a credible party anymore. And we’re here to keep the case alive and solve it eventually.
In my opinion some of the suspects involved will break eventually. We have 2 different statement and that’s the key. Just never give these three boys some rest. be patient and hit them with facts!
Dutchie, we are not an Island that depends on tourists.Thats what you guys dont get. The person that sued McDonalds for the coffee won…big time. Do us all a favor DONT COME TO AMERICA.We dont need you here.We dont need your money either..This whole article has really made me mad. Forget being nice anymore. BOYCOTT this freakin EVIL VILE PLACE. How dare you filthy pigs write something like this. Julia and DUMBPIG need to put down their CRACK PIPE.What losers…
IMO this DumbPig is the worst thing that ever happened to Aruba!
Ban him from the island… Send him back to SURINAM!
Calm down folks..this is just such complete trash that no one in their right minds (except a few insane Arubans) will believe it.
As for Dutchie..you seem to be using the Holloway case as a good excuse to express your dislike of Americans in general..well buddy we know how you little guys in Europe feel about us and we could care less. No doubt, however, next time Europe has a big crisis it will come whining to the US for help, and guess what one of these days we’ll tell you all “no thanks..take care of yourselves” HAVE A GOOD DAY DUTCHIE AND GO WATER YOUR TULIPS.
ARUBA is a sickness.
I hope the military uses the
island for target practice
starting tomorrow.
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BOYCOTT ARUBA / VAN DER SLOOT GANG-RAPERS ISLAND
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Justice for Natalee Holloway!
“Paulus thinks with his penis”
…
Yeah, Brie…
When Anita said he had a good head
on his shoulders, she neglected to
speak of which one.
I hate that dumb serial-lying cow.
She’s Udderly
Nickle Green
Re-dickle!!!
Dompig’s official position of Chief of Police would dictate that there was a foundation of knowledge where he derived his words from when he implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus over and over again for the world to hear.
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http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/03/still-guilty-as-hell.html
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“Natalee is not even on the FBI’s missing people list”
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Gerold Dompig ‘aka’ the black Barney Fife???
Hey Gerold Dumb-pig THE ARUBAN COP FAILURE…
You…
are a copy so dirty that they made you
quit the ARUBAN POLICE FARCE!!!!
The reason Natalee Holloway isn’t on the FBI MISSING PERSONS
LIST is because YOU SAID that Joran ‘THE UNCAPTURED ARUBAN
RAPIST – MURDERER’ Van der sloot confessed to you that he
would take you to where
her body was buried.
Ya remember dumb-ass, he told you that she was
buried near the fisherman huts!??!!??
…
You know, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Gerold Dompig
floated up on a beach dead one night!
I don’t think ANYONE on the island of Aruba with the exception
of the Kalpoes, and the gang-raping murdering Van der sloot
family has done MORE TO KILL THE ISLAND of ARUBA.
Not even Dompig’s DRUG DEALER CRACK ADDICT BROTHER,
Boeti, or his derelict gang-rapist of a son,
Michael Dumb-piggy.
Keep it up Aruba!!!
You’ll be paved into a SAM’S CLUB parking
lot before the Natalee Holloway Case is overwith yet…
WE KNEW YA COULD DO IT! -j4n
Gerold Dompig
Aruba’s Chief Dirty Top Cop
“The Boys Are As Guilty As Hell, I Just Have To Prove It.”
…
Yah, you never could. I think that ends YOUR
credibility right there.
I don’t think anyone would hire
his stupid ass as a bus driver now.
He had NO CHOICE but
to start his own company. -j4n
That article made me laugh! Imagine Dompig not wanting his face to appear on the video. How bizarre is that? And they want to complain about the Skeeter’s tapes being fixed? If Dompig couldn’t show his face that has already been seen on camera a thousand times, then that’s to me the first thing in this article that suggests it’s BS propaganda and lies and maybe even having made use of sound clips taken out of context since we sure didn’t get to see Dompig’s lips matching those words (or if he had a gun pointed at his head).
The second thing that throws up a red flag to me is the part about the Medjet making this secret landing. I’m not saying I believe the Medjet did that or not, but in general what does that say about a small plane being able to make a secret landing OR leave the island unauthorized? Are they saying a small plane can do this and they would never know? Are they saying that Air Traffic Control in Aruba are trained to turn a blind eye to small planes for some reason? Maybe they do if small planes in general come and go on Aruba for reasons that need to have their presence ignored…like drug trafficking or some other form of trafficking or the ‘removal of Natalee’ from the island?
That part about a small plane being able to land there unauthorized really kicks at me….and then when you add the part in the article where they insist Beth wanted Natalee secreted to the medjet, I have to wonder if Aruba is covering their own tracks by having done exactly that to Natalee themselves (secreted her away on a private plane) and now need to blame it on someone else should anything have been seen in that regard. I mean, they are accusing Beth of actually haven had Natalee taken off the island that way. We know she didn’t….so who did? Who covered Natalee up with a blanket and put her in a small plane to be taken off the island?
Here’s a very telling statement – that of course they blamed on Beth…”If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” Don’t you just know they would have asked this of the person who actually did want to get Natalee off the island?
Perhaps this article is bringing truth out. Perhaps Aruba is telling on themselves and covering that last point of coverup in blaming Beth for having done what they did -whisk Natalee off the island in a private plane.
Now let’s go to Joran’s remark that he has made multiple times when asked if he thinks Natalee is alive…he says he thinks she might be dead BY NOW. To me this has indicated that for whatever reason she was taken off the island she might have been done away with BY NOW because she was a liability to the game Joran et als were engaged in or ‘used up’. Could this be Sex Slave Trade? Or as someone mentioned to me once when this case first began “Aruba is so callous for all we know they could kidnap people to steal their organs.”
I am a believer that the guilty will tell their story sooner or later, just not in the right context. They will tell it as if someone else did it in order to cover all of those ‘on average’ 30 pieces of evidence that might lead to them. It’s like they say, ‘what if someone saw *this and that *?’ so they have to make up a lie around it just in case someone did.
Final thought on this ‘lovely’ article….in simple cases you just don’t have so many bad guys as have come to be suspicious in this case. When you do have a growing number of bad guys, none of whom can be positively eliminated from suspicion, it spells conspiracy plain and simple. As this article seeks to promote a conspiracy theory -albeit blamed on natalee’s family- I would think conspiracy was already an issue Aruba was concerned with from the start; their own conspiracy to abduct a female tourist.
http://tinyurl.com/ynsgjj
Its truly amazing that so many people living on one island can be mentally disabled. That is so apparent after reading this article. I am amazed.
I have to agree with Dutchie. Yes, either JvdS or K2 is guilty as hell. And yes mistakes have been made during the investigation. But mistakes are made everywhere and a complete country can’t be blamed
Sure they can, ARUBA is an island that condones
rape and murder. They can get stuffed, the island
is evil. They track, execute, and dispose of young
female toruists, and female tourists in general. The
ARUBAN POLICE FARCE knows about it and condones it.
This can be proven, but not in Aruban Court of Law
because criminal cases in Aruba never live to see
Aruban Court.
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END OF STORY.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
#47
These were not just mistakes!
There was a cover-up going on.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
Some Visuals:
http://tinyurl.com/2cwfyc
http://tinyurl.com/2ea7bu
http://tinyurl.com/334gss
read the last sentence in the “telephone call” paragraph. that’s enough to chill your soul and boil your blood at the same time.
dennisintn
46…..she left with the 3 and was never seen alive again. The 3 made up lies before she was reported missing with the help of #1′s daddy. If it were the MB students that did this I would agree with you. That was not the case and the victims should not be blamed. Ever.
To the poster who spoke of SM losing it’s credidbility.
SM has several threads with pages and pages of researched facts. Yes, anybody can take those and come up with there own theory, and yes there have been many different one’s discussed, especially during times with no news. But that is just THAT, LCD = DISCUSSION! The LCD is not stated as facts! Check out the Important Documents Thread for FACTS!
http://tinyurl.com/2kms4u —> Police statements and MUCH more!
Now, my question is, where are Renfro’s facts? I’m trying to figure out where is attempting to go with this story.
For those Dutch who think us Americans aren’t aware or acknowledge we have crime here? YES, we DO, just as every country in the world does! But like stated by another poster, WE at least make an honest effort and for the most part DO convict our criminals. I can’t think of any case where the Police have maliciously bashed a victim or family. Even if later proved guilty! It’s called Professionalism! And when the police do DO wrong, the public is outraged.
Lastly, you ask why Fox, CNN, etc. do not touch on this article, like they did in the beginning? They barely discuss it here anymore at all, either way.
For such a small island, there is alot of obvious crime and even if not for the Natalee case, Aruba should be boycotted until it’s safe to visit!
I can only hope and pray the Dutch team can solve the case, clean up the corruption and make Aruba, once again a nice place to visit, for the ARUBANS own sake! If it were me, I’d be screaming at the Govt.! But until then, I will continue to agree to a boycott! If you feel so badly about America, then you can do the same. Don’t come here. We will be just fine.
Amigoe, July 3, 2007: The other side of the Holloway-case: ‘Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements.
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American Heritage Dictionary
RAPE: The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts.
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Gerold Dompig
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
October 14, 2005
COSBY: … Did any of these three ever admit to having sex with Natalee to authorities at any point, Chief?
DOMPIG: No, they did not. They keep denying it, and they only went so far as to say that they FONDLED SEXUALLY. At least, Joran did that, and the others denied everything.
COSBY: Now, did Joran-we’ve heard from the family, Chief, that-you know, that Joran was claiming in some statement that SHE WS GOING IN AND OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Have you seen that anywhere?
DOMPIG: YES. THAT’S DEFINITELY IN THE STATEMENTS, and that’s why we were kind of disappointed when the judge didn’t accept that because that’s basically A FELONY IN ARUBA. We think that what happened was that the judge just didn’t buy it the way-because Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.
COSBY: But what you’re saying, Chief, is that he did say that, at some point, she was in and out of consciousness. You’re saying that’s a felony in Aruba. where did he say that happened, in the back of the car?
DOMPIG: In the back of the car. HE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SHE PASSED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. But in a way that someone that’s drunk, that’s kind of like NOT REALLY AWARE OF WHAT’S HAPPENING. And that was to us very interesting and very important because we thought, as investigators, that we had at least that.
How do you increase the value of your merchandise?
47. And yes mistakes have been made during the investigation. But mistakes are made everywhere and a complete country can’t be blamed
Comment by Brendon Dunn | July 4, 2007, 9:45 am
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Brendon … you just do not get it!
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This is not about an INCOMPETENT investigation … it is about a CORRUPT investigation that is preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway … it is about a CORRUPT investigation that is protecting Joran and Paulus van der Sloot from implication.
The Natalee Holloway case would be a distance memory if those who participated in the events of that fateful morning were held accountable for their actions by the justice system in Aruba/Holland … if conflicts of interest resulting from personal/ family/ working relationships had not played a major role.
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005
GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with — and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work
I say the boycott must be working…why else bogus stories like this.
Remember Renfro and this other women make a living off of tourists…no tourists no living. They are desperate and have dropped themselves to attacking the family, FBI, american media…anyone except themselves or anyone in Aruba.
The more you see crap like this being reported , I say the better that the boycott must be working.
Just another cook stirring the huge pot of $hit they call aruba
How do you increase the value of your merchandise?
You make it more desirable.
How do you make it more desirable?
By advertising something about it that is unique.
#4, the people blaming natalee, her family, the f.b.i., and everyone else for what happened to natalee and why the case hasn’t been solved may be non-aruban in backgrounds. the fact remains that they’re speaking for aruba, on aruba, and without anyone from the people or govt. of aruba that they’re wrong. you’re the first person i’ve heard say that they didn’t speak for aruba. if you sleep with dogs, you awake scratching fleas.
dennisintn
A young blonde, blue eyed, sexy, attractive, female would be unique in San Nicolas where Joran says the colored live.
It’s not the person who sells the printer that makes the money.
The one who sells the print cartridges is the one who makes money on repeat customers.
In other words the sex slave seller does not capitalize on the merchandise; the buyer with repeat customers makes the money.
Think you Aruba for keeping Natalees case alive.Just when much was not being said you put something like thai out there you are your worse enemy.
How do you do that?
Merchandising to quote Mel Brookes. And Advertising.
Merchandising What is the cheapest way to advertise? Have someone else do it for free.
Thank you Janet. You saved me from having to respond to Brendon. I love that the Arubans or there supporters are always pushing mistakes were made. What mistakes??? All there so called “mistakes” were done with a purpose to sabotage this case.
Renfro concludes, “The family did not want the truth to be told.” WHAT is this bitch talking about? She’s so desperate she’s willing to say anything. Renfro, you’re a liar. You’re a sorry excuse for a human being in my book.
The statement>>>still remains, and will remain untraceable. WILL remain untraceable? I think some arrests are getting close, or they wouldn’t have started mounting this demonic story.
Renfro, I hope you burn in hell along with joran, deepak, satish, and paulus.
where can i find the number 8 video from aruba bay videos
What on earth does the entire population of a country have anything to do with one murder? I suspect they all find it horrible that a girl has been (probably murdered). I remember several Dutch toruists being slaughtered in Miami right after they set foot out of Miami airport .. did you see us going crazy like this and demanding a boycott for the enture US of of A? Of course not … it’s too insane for words. Get serious here.
I definitely think Joran either did it ot knows much more about it and types like him make me ill to my stomach, but to blame an entire country for this is so crazy it’s laughable. Do you all feel responsible for all the deaths and war in Iraq? I doubt it, it’s something your government does but nothing the population has anything to do with. You guys have a tendency to go over the edge with a lot opf things.
How could I do this to my best friend’s son could be why did I use Joran to kidnap Natalee.
How are Paulus and Jan best friends? I mean has anyone ever mentioned where or how?
How about business partners in nightclubs or brothels.
If Van der Straaten is gay and a misogamist what better way to get even with the female sex but to hold them for prostitution.
He could walk in all circles, run the business but never indulge in sex with female partners.
Paulus on the other hand could have all he wants and for free.
What if part of their business is catering to big business, mafia and drug cartels?
They would keep it away from the hotels and away from the normal tourists, but could engage in that business because in San Nicolas prostitution and drugs are legal.
The government would not be concerned because almost all the tourist traffic is in the northwest not the southeast.
They don’t engage in gambling; the hotel casinos have that locked up.
Why did Odubar want Van der Straaten off the Natalee investigation?
Why did Van der Straaten say I know she is dead because I have seen the evidence.
Why could that be a red herring?
The game is to hype up the merchandise so customers are willing to pay premium for sex with a captive Natalee.
Something to think about.
I have a few questions. I am trying to figure out how to post here.
Maybe Amigoe is asking to be sued?
That would give Aruba the type of publicity that Aruba AHATA is begging for.
Talk about stupid … or in this case, “stoooopid.”
Soon, when “stupid” is looked up in the dictionary, there’ll be that picture of Garbage Island, with the smoke curling up in the air from the burning trash.
Hey go to aruba and be drugged kidnapped gangbanged and murdered by Joran and the pimps of Aruba!!!The boycott rolls on!!!
I noticed that viet vet indicated that he was with Beth Twitty on Wednesday, June 1, 2005. If someone is in correspondence with him, I would like to ask a question.
First here is viet vet’s comment:
Gabriel’s 55. What Gabe says in comment 55 is pretty much the way ti was during the first few days. I went to Aruba 3 times, every time by private jet and did go thru the area he mentions. Claudio was in charge of that area as I remember and Alberto worked for Claudio. All three,Gabriel (his girlfriend too), Alberto, a girl I called Ava (she looked like Ava Gardner) and Claudio traveled with us as ALE sent us on one wild goose chase after another.I met Van Der Stratten on the Wed. after Natalee went missing. It was very clear to us that the cover-up was in full swing. Claudio, Alberto, and Gabriel all tried to help us and in the beginning Julia Renfro was with us. After Wed. or Thurs. someone in the governnment or tourism or law enforcement, or more probably all of the above started talked to the people who were trying to help us get some answers. I do remember them talking to some of these people and telling them to watch what they were saying and doing. It appeared they put pretty on anyone they could.
Charles Croes and Julia turned on us fairly quickly, but they did have leverage on them. Claudio, Alberto, and Gabriel were still with us when I left the third time I was there. It was fairly open, Aruba’s powers that be did not want us in their country any longer. I don’t think they will ever let me return, as well as our group who searched so hard the first few weeks. The whole affair is very hard to understand because of all the corruption and coverups. They had no idea Beth would get there so quickly and that her friends would all show up and try to get some answers.
The end result will be the demise of Aruba. When a government stoops as low as they did in the coverup, the end result will be devastating to their country’s tourism.
comment by viet vet June 6, 2007 9:00 p.m.
My question concerns a story that many of us heard that regards Wednesday, June 1, 2005. On Wednesday, the newspaper that was helping Beth received a phone call from a woman who had seen Natalee. According to the story, everyone immediately went to see this woman. The woman worked at a restaurant located somewhere between Oranjestad and Noord. The woman reported that she was very sure that she had served Natalee and two young men at lunchtime on Monday, May 30, 2005. The woman gave descriptions of the two young men. The woman described what the girl (Natalee or Natalee look alike) ate. The girl will did not order from the menu but requested something special. According to the story, Beth was very interested in the coincidence of the special order. The police were notified. This is how the story goes. I know nothing more. This may or may not be an accurate account of the story. We saw a version of this story reported in A.M. Digital early in the case.
I would like to ask viet vet what happened on Wednesday, June 1, 2005. What did Beth think of that woman? Was this story credible? What happened? Why was Beth interested in what the girl ate? I would be extremely disappointed if viet vet denied that this happened because there is verification of a report of this kind.
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SM: You really think that Viet Vet, who has posted on this front page only a handful of times, is going to look for your question and respond? (klaasend)
#78 Dutchie,
No one is trying to punish all the citizens of Aruba.
It’s a travel boycott. Tourists shouldn’t go to an island where if something happens to them, a corrupt investigation and cover-up will ensue.
It’s about justice and warning potential tourists.
Geez, Aruba,
Just tell what happened to Natalee and give her justice!
After two years, you still don’t get it!
Instead, you keep spinning trash.
Hey, number 28–would everything have been just fine if the Americans had just stayed at home during WWII??????
Bendex,
Nice to see you back and hope all is well with you in Argentina – if you are still there. In reference to your comment about the USD2MM cost of the military search in Aruba, lets clarify that the planes didn’t go to the Caribbean expressly to try to find NH. They had a series of military exercises planned in Curaçao. Given the planes planned presence in the area, the infrared search was undertaken. Somehow some of us got confused by the communication around the search, which implied that the planes went to Aruba just to look for a possible NH burial site.
The operation may have cost additional resources in addition to the cost of bringing the fleet to the southern Caribbean or it may have just turned out to be, that the opportunity arose to further enhance the military exercises planned to take place out of MB Parera, for the benefit of the Korps Mariniers 3e Peloton.
#85. Klaasend, why don’t you ask Viet Vet what happened on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 when Beth went to meet with the woman who said that she had seen Natalee on Monday, May 30, 2005 at lunchtime. This woman believes that she SAW Natalee. Well, a belief is a belief. The woman believes that she served Natalee a lunch.
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SM: Why don’t you ask Viet Vet or better yet, why not ask Beth Twitty? There were alot of FALSE sightings of Natalee early in the case. (klaasend)
Hey Herb, what does that have to do with anything? Or did you just want your name on this page?
Please come up with something sensible to say instead of this kind of BS!
Mohican, that is not true. These 3 F16′s left on the 3rd of July 2005 from Vliegbasis (airforce base) Twenthe for Aruba specially to look for Natalee. Do you have any idea what it costs to run an F16 (not just fuel, but staff, maintenance, etc..)? I don’t, but I know it’s not cheap so a thank you would be more appropriate I think! You’re welcome would be the answer!
#90 Klaasend, I don’t know viet vet or I would ask him. I want to know how Beth responded to what the girl in the restaurant had for lunch. I don’t know that this was a false sighting. Neither do you. I wasn’t there. Well, guess what? Viet vet has to know how Beth responded.
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SM: Here’s a clue – I don’t know Viet Vet any better than you do (klaasend)
#93 Viet vet is certainly a major source of information because he accompanied Beth to Aruba. I would be quite hesitant to call the story, to which I refer, a false sighting because Beth (according to hearsay) made an acknowledgement that the girl in the restaurant exhibited similarities to Natalee. It may be a false sighting. It may be in the category of possibly Natalee. Viet vet was there on that day. Viet vet would know what Beth said.
Who gives a damn what they cost. Who tells a family what an investigation cost when their child is the victim? Get off the BS that Natalee was sighted. Do you know how many people swore they saw Laci Peterson , even after later it was proved she was dead and had been in the bay? Over 7 people. Some saw her walking her dog that day, She never walked a dog that day.
*88
Herb! You da man!! Carry on good sir!
#95. Maggie, the Laci Peterson case has nothing to do at all with the Natalee restaurant story of May 30, 2005. It’s a good thing that you aren’t in law enforcement. Nobody in law enforcement draws parallel between cases. The facts stand alone. I am asking what viet vet heard on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 when Beth talked to the restaurant witness. That’s all. Did you even know that Beth talked to a witness about Monday? No, so what do you know?
This is just one example of the dumb arse stories from Vanity Fair. Now someone tell me why a person from a newspaper is working an investigation into this crime? Like they don’t have a vested interest in Aruba and a bias? They know Natalee is on drugs? and maybe in a few days she has gained weight? What a barney fife bunch of crap is that? She loves the spotlight and would do anything to get a camera. She arranged a covert operation, give me a break. Even the driver is on pot. They wonder why noone wants to go there?????
That night Renfro was working late when she received a call from a source-a former policeman-who had just heard on police radio that an American girl matching Natalee’s description had been seen stepping into a Kia sedan outside an ATM in Oranjestad. Immediately the newspaper office emptied; at least 10 cars, packed with staffers and Alabamans, fanned out across the downtown area, looking for the car. When it was sighted, Renfro used cell phones to orchestrate a covert pursuit. A half-dozen cars followed the Kia for 15 minutes until it parked outside a house just blocks from the newspaper office. Renfro could just make out a man and two women, one of them blonde, inside the car.
They watched the car for 15 minutes before one of Renfro’s friends, a volunteer named Carlos, took the initiative, walked to the car, and exchanged words with the driver, who was puffing on a marijuana cigarette. “Carlos came back and said, ‘I don’t think it’s her; she was too happy,’” Renfro recalls. “We said, ‘Come on! She’s on drugs! Of course she’s happy.’ [He said,] ‘No, she’s too heavy.’ [We said,] ‘Maybe she gained weight!’ [He said,] ‘But there’s a baby in the car.’”
*90 Better yet, how did ALE handle this “sighting”? Did they follow up? Were they as diligent as they were when they let those three guys roam all over the island for ten days while arresting two innocent men and holding them in jail?
Comeon…This was a blatant cover up and the published PV’s tell that story oh so well. What kind of ‘detective’ asks one of the suspects to drive to a certain spot to show where they left Natalee and then turns him loose so that he can go tell the other two suspects where to say they dropped her off. That detective is either totally incompetent or crooked as hell. The Holiday Inn story was an admitted lie by the boys and that detective did whatever he could to help them perfect it. Joran just didn’t count on Deepak changing the story now did he?
As for the boycott, I’m all for it. If you want to compare that to anything that goes on in the US then go right ahead. We have enough people coming to our country everyday and if a few want to stop coming here that would not be a problem.
The fact is…there are people on that island that know exactly what happened to Natalee and they need to step up and tell the truth. This BS about the family and insurance fraud is crap, but not unexpected when you consider the source of the ‘theory’. As a matter of fact Amigoe published a blurp in their rag 2 weeks after Natalee went missing about Max DeVries and how he had been ‘spotted’ in Brazil and some nefarious insurance company was all of a sudden investigating the family for fraud. This is Aruba’s answer and this is the lie they tried to put out there from the very beginning. Unfortunately, Max was never found..on Aruba or in Brazil.
Oh…and do you need a reminder that Willard “Buddy” Larson is still missing and was last seen on that same rock called Aruba? I guess all Americans practice insurance fraud, huh? Gimme a break.
#97. viet vet claimed that he met Van Der Stratten on Wednesday, June 1, 2005. I am asking viet vet if he knows about the restaurant witness and if he met Van Der Stratten when the police report was given. I am aware that the police were notified about the Natalee sighting. I am aware that the day in question was Wednesday, June 1, 2005. I am asking viet vet if he was there when Van Der Stratten took the police report. Or, what was the reason that he met Van Der Stratten if that was not it.
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SM: Let me give you another clue. Viet Vet has not posted on this front page in 2 weeks, what makes you think he’ll come here and see your requests? (klaasend)
I know enough that in over 2 years even after the Dutch took this case over, the main suspects have remained just that and not one of the MB students or Natalee’s family has been charged with nothing. You see there’s a little problem that J2K still can’t answer. How did Satish pick Joran up at the beach, when Deepak and Satish say Joran walked home that night? Why does one get together to get their stories straight, if they are innocent? How can they go to the lighthouse on that night and yet according to the other they didn’t? How could they walk all over the beach and 3 fishermen on the beach saw noone there. Joran saw all kinds of people on the beach that night. Where are they, none have come forward? Deepak has a loud car, you could hear it for a long ways off.. why didn’t anyone hear or see that loud car at the beach or near the beach that night? Why did they implicate 2 black men for the crime of kidnapping and murder? I’m more interested in those things.. that would actually lead to Natalee, then I am about what a poor distraught mother was doing in search of finding her daughter she raised for 18 years. I cut a grieving family who’s child is gone a lot of slack. Walk in their shoes for a day.
#100. Everyone should remember that it was Tuesday when the notification that Natalee was missing hit the local papers. The Aruban public did not know that Natalee was missing until Tuesday. Viet vet says: “I met Van Der Stratten on the Wednesday after Natalee went missing. It was very clear to us that the cover-up was in full swing.” Now on Wednesday, a witness came forward about seeing Natalee in a restaurant with two boys. Maybe Natalee or maybe not. If the police were taking a report from a witness on Wednesday, what caused viet vet to believe that there was a cover up when that was the very first day that the Aruban public had any idea that there was a missing girl.
i do believe that “very interested” is setting the background for one of the new “revelations” from “reliable witnesses” for julia’s new extravaganza. all these new witnesses her special has paid for, excuse me, found. the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. that’s old julia’s motto.
dennisintn
102. That’s not very hard to answer. BECAUSE THE THREE PEOPLE LAST SEEN WITH HER WERE STILL RUNNING AROUND LOOSE ON THAT ISLAND. Those three were known by ALE on Monday night. It was also obvious by the next day that they had NOT dropped her off at the HI based on the security cameras there. It doesn’t matter if the general public didn’t know until Tuesday that Natalee was missing. Those guys made up a lie on Monday and threw in some ‘details’ to make it sound good. Why make up a lie right off the bat if they had done nothing wrong? Unless lying is SOP for people on Aruba.
here’s a better one for you, Why was Paulus on the computer Monday night looking up drugs, alcohol and the effects on young people and lawyers? It wasn’t public Natalee was missing. Why was Paulus calling Natalee a body the day after she’s gone? Why did Paulus say on Nova, Joran again sneaked out on that Monday night, when he said in his police statement he gave him permission to go? Why did Deepak tell one of the falsely arrested security guards that Paulus, Joran and them sat around the pool and made up that false holiday Inn story and Joran used that story early morning Tuesday when the cops arrived, so they would’ve had to sit around the pool and make it up before it was public she was missing?
Even more…
Why was Dompig allowed to head the investigation when two of the main suspects were related to him?
Why was an FBI dive team requested, but not allowed to go into the water?
Why did ALE arrest two guys based on statements they made which ALE knew were lies?
Why did Dompig tell the world that one suspect had confessed and was taking them to where the body was buried, only to retract that statement later in the day?
I could go on and on here, but hopefully you will get the picture that so many of us have been seeing for a long time now. Like some of you, I hope, I was skeptical and tried to stay open-minded. When the PV’s were released after all of the other information that was available I no longer had any doubts. These guys know exactly what happened to Natalee and this needs to be resolved. Period.
#103. The question about Wednesday, June 1, 2005 is directed to viet vet. He claims to have been there as an eyewitness to that day. So, did Beth go to see the restaurant witness according to viet vet? What did Beth say according to viet vet? Why is everybody speculating about these questions? Viet vet can answer or remain silent as he so chooses.
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What on earth does the entire population of a country have anything to do with one murder? I suspect they all find it horrible that a girl has been (probably murdered). I remember several Dutch toruists being slaughtered in Miami right after they set foot out of Miami airport .. did you see us going crazy like this and demanding a boycott for the enture US of of A? Of course not … it’s too insane for words. Get serious here.
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When the country’s police force actively works to kill
an investigation into the murder, so that the crime
cannot be successfully prosecuted, your people have
EVERYTHING to do with it.
…..
The people who killed the Dutch tourists in Miami, FL in
1996,
all caught and in jail.
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The people who killed the German man in 1993, all caught
and doing time in Florida prison.
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I think maybe you and that POS country called
“ARUBA” are the one that need to start
getting serious.
Happy 4th of July to ya!
……
REF-
…….
Tosca Dieperink, 41 – killed by robbers
MIAMI, Fla
Alamo To Pay $5.2M to Dutch Family — (Las Vegas Sun)
Alamo Rent-A-Car was ordered to pay $5.2 million to the family of a Dutch tourist killed by a man who tried to rob her. A jury said Tuesday that Alamo didn’t do enough to warn the victim and her husband about crime in Liberty City, a low-income, high-crime area in Miami.
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Updated:
Dutch tourist Tosca Dieperink, 39, was killed in a holdup at a Miami service station. (Two men later pleaded guilty to the slaying and were sentenced to prison.)
Source AP
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ALAMO MUST PAY
In other Florida appellate court news, the 3rd District Court of Appeal in Miami has upheld a $5.2 million jury verdict against Alamo Rent A Car. Last week, lawyers for the company argued that it had no duty to warn a Dutch couple visiting Miami not to drive into high-crime areas of the city.
Tosca Dieperink was shot to death while sitting in a rental car outside a Liberty City gas station in 1996 while her husband went inside to ask for directions. Gerrit Dieperink sued Alamo in Miami-Dade Circuit Court. In May 2000, a jury awarded him $5.2 million in the negligence suit.
source:
law library.com
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1993 German Tourist Killing
source: TIME
http://tinyurl.com/36rpev
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Do you all feel responsible for all the deaths and war in Iraq? I doubt it, it’s something your government does but nothing the population has anything to do with.
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That is one of the stupidest things I’ve seen in quite awhile.
I read a bunch of Aruban Message Forums, so that is saying
quite a lot!
Your IQ is oozing out of you post by post. May you & your family not be hit by a couple of hardcore Jihadis carrying pipe bombs.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
The FBI KNOWS what happened.
The KLPD KNOWS what happened.
The case is being put together in one final form for trial.
The Arubans that are behind the cover-up are trying to obfuscate their complicity with “blame the FBI”, “blame the mother”, and “blame anyone but Joran.”
SORRY — TOO LATE!
#110- I tend to agree that it’s just a matter of time. Renfro is giving it her best shot to save the remains of one tiny perverted island paradise. The pressure of being out of the loop is getting to her, coupled with watching Aruba’s tourist trade dwindle, day by day. What WILL she do after her sweet gig is over? Her image is cooked in the US. Where is she going to go after the collapse? Maybe Netherlands will welcome her, but I doubt it.
The party’s over, Aruba! Boycott on!
very interested,
As you have been told already, viet vet does not post here everyday. It’s not surprising, given your stated point of view, that you seem to think the fact that he has not posted a reply to you means he is ignoring you. As though that MUST mean he is ‘hiding’ something. He isn’t even here to respond to you.
Apparently that sighting was as bogus as all the other ‘leads’ provided or the great ALE would have jumped right on it and recovered Natalee…even if her mom didn’t want her back. Right??
When Aruba, those running the joint, return Natalee to her family the calls for boycott just might fade away…provided they have the good sense not to lay some lame blame story on the family. That is just about as low as they could possibly go. After all they have done to keep from exposing the truth I don’t think too many people have any hope for justice…but for Christ’s sake they could at least return her to her family. That’s just the huane thing to do.
So why don’t you go see if Joran is willing to tell you the truth. He’s lied to everyone else.
ARUBA
GOTTA LOVE IT! (not)
http://tinyurl.com/2pjygb
Don’t you love when a country with less than 100,000 tries to compare themselves to a country of more than 300 million ? It’s kinda like calling Natalee, that girl or just one girl. Anything to continue the sham .. Noone has ever said anything about the numbers of crimes, but the way crimes are handled and the disrespect of victims of the families. Unprofessional at its best.
NOT ON FBI LIST
The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.
The last paragraph is garbage too…
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm
Remember this from January 2006…a look back at 2005, from Chuck Geiss, who was on Aruba and saw some of the “writers”.
Natalee Holloway’s mysterious disappearance in Aruba during a high school graduation trip drew unprecedented attention from the national media. While fresh news is now rare, a newly published article by Bryan Burroughs in Vanity Fair provides the most recent account of what happened on the island during the weeks following Holloway’s disappearance. The article provides few new facts, but more sensationally it points a finger at the Twitty family for being heavy-handed with the police. Burroughs proposes that their approach hindered the investigation, but the Vanity Fair article gives an incomplete account of what the Twittys and the Holloways endured in the search for their daughter. Moreover, two of Burroughs’ primary sources should be challenged.
Gerald Dompig, the island’s deputy chief of police, characterizes the Twittys and their American friends as unnecessarily aggressive and unruly during the early weeks of the search.
However, I visited the Twittys on the island two weeks after Natalee’s disappearance, and the family’s temperament was much calmer than I had expected. A tense situation was made worse by a series of tips and leads that sent the family and friends in dozens of different directions while police remained remarkably unfazed. The family complied with island officials for weeks and turned to the international media only after concluding that continued silence about their frustrations was a losing proposition. Unfortunately, Vanity Fair did not report the full extent of the family’s travails.
Burroughs’ other doubtful source is Julia Renfro, an American-born newspaper reporter who works at one of the island’s dailies. She befriended the Twittys at first, but has since turned on them, which is a substantial aspect of Burroughs’s Vanity Fair story. Renfro was seemingly a big help to the family in the initial weeks of the search, but her motives for doing so are dubious. It is my contention she was either a newspaper reporter aggressively interested in getting a story or just someone starved for attention.
The reason Renfro suddenly found the Twittys disinterested in her help was the fact that she also orchestrated, or at least contributed to, one of the cruelest hoaxes of the investigation. Twelve days after Natalee’s disappearance, Renfro suddenly appeared in downtown Oranjestad where Jug Twitty had made an unplanned stop to buy some clothes (the circumstances surrounding how she found him remain mysterious). Renfro was hysterical over news that Natalee had been found dead and her body had been moved to the island’s courthouse. When asked where she had learned these details, she claimed it had come from one of her regular sources, a deputy information officer in the justice department.
What followed was a frantic, ten-block car race to the courthouse made more uncomfortable by the fact that Renfro had pushed herself into the family’s already full minivan (she took a spot on the console), conspicuously inserting herself, perhaps now as a newspaper reporter, into the unfolding story. Upon arriving at the courthouse, a throng of television cameras met the family. What happened next was a long, uncomfortable walk to the courthouse where Jug and his friends found a locked door and an apparently empty building. It was later learned that no justice department official had ever leaked the information. The incident was yet another nightmarish spectacle that the family endured during weeks of searching for their daughter. Renfro’s contribution to the occasion was the beginning of the end of her association with the family (another fact not found in the Vanity Fair story). It should be considered that while the search for Natalee Holloway continues, it took weeks for the family to figure out which personalities on the island were credible or not, which has led to some hurt feelings along the way.
http://tinyurl.com/349mmk
Everyone knows Beth’s book will be out in about 90-100 days.
Most of us are hoping that it will blow the last vestige of Aruba’s credibility away and will clearly demonstrate the deep levels of corruption there.
Perhaps this latest crapfest spewing from stringy-haired (for God’s sake, Julia, do yourself a major favor and cut off about four feet of those frizzy split ends), leatherfaced Julia Renfro is nothing more than an attempt to detract from the facts soon to be available.
I truly believe that anything published by Beth Twitty would be very well documented and sourced.
Julia is just trying to get her lies out first, and make as much money as she can before her 15 minutes end.
As for her sources? Well, she did pay a cabbie to lie…
Tick-tock Julia. Tick-tock…
#112. All I said was that if viet vet wanted to respond that he would. I would be surprised if he even confirmed that there was such a story. Certain people are very vested in the idea that Joran killed Natalee. To find out that witnesses exist that believe that Natalee was alive on Monday would be a shock.
It would, however, be very interesting if the Monday witness was very credible and Beth never made any public announcement of that fact. If I had a missing daughter and was given hope that she was alive, I would certainly announce what I had been told and ask others to come forward. I would hope that by hearing a witness account that others may think of something that would lead to my daughter’s whereabouts. I certainly would not dismiss it IF there was something to hang on to such as a special order food request that was similar to my daughter’s eating habits. Then, again all of this is rumor for viet vet to address if he so chooses.
from what little i’ve read, i don’t think beth’s book is going to be like that. mostly just natalee’s childhood, life and who she was.
dennisintn
IF a “credible” witness saw Natalee having lunch on Monday — why in the hell did the ALE not follow-up on this and proclaim it loudly to the world??? It would have gotten them “off the hook” 2 years ago!!!! You and your “credible witness” are full of it.
A better question for you and Julia is why was Julia’s telephone # on the “Kidnapped” posters??? What did she do with the actual calls to that phone????
117. Are you suggesting that Beth did not do all of those things? Was Beth expected to be the one to follow up on every tip? If this person said she saw Natalee did she call Julia’s or Angela’s phone numbers that they provided to Beth for the original posters that were displayed all over down? Was ALE all over that tip? If ALE was all over that tip and it was a valid tip, I guess they dropped the ball. If the tip was not valid then why is it important now?
You see, the way you have presented this here could cause people to infer that you believe you have some ‘bombshell’ to drop regarding this. I doubt it would be much of a bombshell, but, hey if you think you know something why don’t you just spill it? Insead of requesting a response from someone who doesn’t post here all that often.
Julia’s playing beat the clock..her last buck!
Gerald Dompig:
The fact that Julia Renfro and was involved Angela Dilorenzo in a plan to bring Natalee living to the ambulance plane from crackhouse, indicates that Joran of of the ditch cannot assassinated her.
Brilliant statement by the ex police commissioner..Did he also say in that article that it was the ALE that instructed them to search these crackhouses. It was the ALE that was insisting that Natalee was partying somewhere on the island. Certainly was not anyone from Natalee’s family!!
………..TRUTH AND JUSTICE THE AMERICAN WAY……………..
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very interested
Not sure what you’re trying to say, but Beth did not announce any “inside” info on any of the VERY MANY alleged sightings. If there was a waitress, that felt she served Natalee, for sure the ALE would have investigated the lead….unless of course, you’re trying to state the ALE did not investigate.
Can you possibly explain how someone can have at least five stories about leaving a girl who has never been seen again?? I didn’t hear about dropping her at a lunch counter…I did hear HI, after being dropped at home, Natalee left with K2, dropped at beach with Deepak pick-up, dropped at beach with Satish pick up, beach and walking.
If I was Beth, I’d start at the beginning.
What really burns my *ss is reading and listening to individuals critique every move made by Natalee’s family, in their desperate efforts to find their daughter. No one should have a RIGHT to criticize, unless they have walked in Beth and Dave’s shoes.
If my daughter had disappeared (around the block, OR in a foreign country), I would have done everything in my power to find my baby. Actually, I’m not sure that I could have exercised the self-control that the Holloway-Twitty family exhibited, considering the lies and runaround that they encountered beginning with their arrival on Aruba. So, Julia, consider yourself lucky that you weren’t dealing with me. You would have been picking your fat arse, and frizzy hair, up off the ground if you had pulled that courthouse stunt on my family!
So, go down with the ship, Julia! YOU are one of the contributing reasons it’s going down!
No more parties for Aruba! Boycott on!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GOD BLESS AMERICA~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GOD BLESS OUR CHILDREN~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Open your eyes, Beth was on tv repeatedly asking for people to come forward and showing the reward for information.
As for constantly trying to implicate Beth in anything you can throw at the wall and see if it will stick, save it for the ones who believe in martians too..
114- Great catch, Justice for Natalee.
OOOPS! Sorry about the design in #121, it was suppose to be shown in 3 straight lines, oh well, what have I learned from Aruba, the computer did it!
Beth Holloway Twitty didn’t destroy ARUBA, buddy roe!
Aruba has slit its’ own throat
with their mind blowing ass out stupidity.
That is why it is covered so fervently
like a 1st class media circus. Watching Aruba react and
handle the Natalee Holloway Case, is akin to watching
a drugged out homeless person bang themselves in their
friggin toe with an iron skillet.
People simply cannot fathom someone could be so fergin stupid.
Watching Arubans destroy their “street cred” on an
international level, is much like that car wreck you just
have to see to believe. You don’t wanna watch, but you just
cannot help it. -j4n
Hey Julia Ren-froggie
In yer fergin ear, ya worthless slut!
You make me wanna hurl beets.
(and THAT WAS the clean version.)
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http://tinyurl.com/24c68k
http://tinyurl.com/2pcmrk
http://tinyurl.com/yueuho
http://tinyurl.com/36z3j3
While I cannot relate to Mrs. Twitty in many ways, it does not take a huge amount of insight to understand that a mother’s first instinct would be to delcare a kidnapping. #1 it calls for an immediate search
#2 it suggests hope against hope that the missing person may be still alive.
OT
#34 Hi Bendex-how are you, old friend. More grits?
-Gutfeeling
#124 I do not know what happened regarding this story. We first heard about it as reported to A.M. Digital who claims that the source was not the police. Viet vet does read here and sometimes posts. He was there on that Wednesday when the call was received and they went to check it out. I was hoping that he would either eventually answer or that someone who was in contact with him would talk about what they found out. We all know that Natalee is still missing. That is ALL we know as of now.
Here is an interesting article which really reminds of the many dead end leads that were examined, and tossed out eventually or buried in restropect of our jumping to conclusions…
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0802_natalee_holloway_case_marred.html
Ok, that’s it. Dealing with below 3rd world intelligence is simply a waste of time. Now it’s time to crush Aruba economically. Boycott is about to take on a whole new meaning.
#134 — well the author (Dan Riehl) lost ALL credibility when he fell hook-line-sinker for his “inside source” — Julia Renfro.
I compare Julia to a human leech. She sees you coming then digs her claws into you. She sucks you dry, getting all she can from you, then she falls off like all parasites do. She takes that old “kick em when they’re down approach”, especially when she makes herself beleive it will make her look better. Well, She sure as hell doesn’t look better from this view. I wonder if she has ever spit into the sky? If she has, didn’t she learn yet that it comes back down, and hits you square in the face. Karma is a bitch. It bites you back, when you least expect it. She and her cohorts should be ashamed of themselves. What scares me the most, is that this woman has children. Can you imagine the values they will grow up with. I hope God blesses her children, because I do beleive he has his arms around Natalee.
Aruban Populace:
Blame Dompig and Renfro for fanning the flames of the boycott.
133-
“We all know that Natalee is still missing. That is ALL we know as of now.”
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No, not according to Joran, asho!!!
Joran said she was buried near the Fisherman Huts to
Gerold “I walk Around With My Unit In My Hand” Dumb-Pig.
Last time I checked in
my pocket sized
International Player ETIQUETTE HANDBOOK,
burying someone BEFORE
they are actually dead
is in fact considered
R-U-D-E.
-j4n
* This is true even in Aruba, no?
135 -
You ain’t kiddin’ Bob!
…
I met a guy during my last trip to the
African rainforests. Dude’s name was Nabuntu…
He smoked stuff I couldn’t identify, walked around
with his johnson stuck up in a bamboo chute, and he had
a bone stuck through his friggin’ nose…
….HE WAS 1,000
more fun, sensible, polite, and more
understanding of Americans
than these a$$ out, venomously
nasty ARUBAN HATERS.
….
I’m over ‘em too!
DROP THE M.O.A. B. on the bastards.
MOTHER OF ALL BOYCOTTS! Aruba, ya suck.
New trolls have arrived, something must be happening in the case!
The usual Aruban trolls are now trying to make an issue out of the posts or non-posts of VietVet. That’s as sensible as Dompig’s whining that Aruba wanted to investigate all 120 or so of the Mountain Brook kids.
The facts remain in place. Natalee was last seen in the company of three people on Aruba who drove off with her from Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. And the story they told about bringing her back to her hotel is a lie, as even they admitted. And yet they were allowed to stay free for a week or so after Beth proved this to the Aruban police.
I mean, how stupid does Dompig think we are?
This business about Natalee being seen ordering lunch … remember the taxi driver who said he heard her talking about the blue-eyed Dutchie?
Remember, folks, there was (and still is) a big reward for information about Natalee, and a bigger one for her return.
We’ve seen from the actions of the Aruban government that the notion of objective truth doesn’t even seem to exist on that benighted island. Nobody in the government is held accountable for his or her statements.
One person says ‘A.’ The next day, he or someone else says ‘B.’ And ‘C’ and ‘D’, etc., follow. And all these statements just hang out there, never to be proven, disproven, or compared one against another.
Supposedly someone called Julia Renfro. (I find it interesting that the ‘caller’ was interested in getting money, not in justice. Sounds like Aruba to me.) I am sure that all sorts of calls and ‘sightings’ were reported, some in sincerity, others in hopes for the biggest jackpot to come down the pike in years.
This Angela somebody-or-other, a resident on Aruba, says that Beth asked her to retrieve Natalee from a drug house and bring her to the private plane in secret? Why would Beth happen to know her, and why would she make such a request to a private citizen? And Renfro and Angela then made a personal visit to this drug house?
I mean, does anyone on Aruba think this will be believed?
I wonder if Beth will even bother to comment on this story; to me, it sounds like pure and utter hooey that the writers hope will appeal to some Arubans. Nobody else would give it credence for a moment.
Since day one of the case, I have thought that it’s possible Natalee was taken off the island. That doesn’t prove that she’s still alive, but it can’t be ruled out.
The article says that J2K are almost no longer associated with the case, or something like that, but that just shows that this is another feeble effort at PR for Aruba.
And if the donations from the “hospitable population” are streaming in, maybe we can hear about that. Dave Holloway said the reports of all the freebies they had received were totally false. I haven’t seen much support for the family from Arubans — not to mention the campaigns AGAINST the family that the government there has led.
So this trash is hardly worth looking at. I hope Julia Renfro is someday held to account.
# 134 Compannzi
I understand that some have an issue with Jossy. Unfortunately for Dan, who wrote the article, Joran verifies, in his book, the information Jossy shared. The problems, on your island, are fueled by two scorned ex-American women.
very interested
This really is not a case of interpreting Beth’s reaction. A lead is a lead, no matter what vietvet or others “think”. If the ALE ignored this person and you believe this to be a credible lead, call it to the KLPD or FBI. Now, if it was a radio rumor, investigated and thrown out by ALE, perhaps you should call it to Renfro or Munzenhofer. They seem to eat up this stuff and who knows, you might get published (don’t worry, they’ll only use your voice and maiden name).
I’d be lying if I didn’t admit I hope this story would turn out to be true. ”A happy ending” for Aruba. Isn’t that what we all want?
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SM: Ah no. What we would want is to have Natalee Holloway returned to her family. Officials and certain people have done quite enough damage for many to care less about Aruba. None of this had to be this way. Those in Aruba know who they are who obstructed this case.
R
Americans are full of propaganda!!They are quick to believe these boys committed a crime yet they can’t prove anything. All they can say is that she was last seeing by the boys which no one knows for sure. Now some new things come up and they are quick to dismiss it instead of saying we should look into it as it can lead us somewhere we never was before. Why is so easy to believe these boys committed the crime but not easy to believe that article may have some truth to it? Everything is worth looking into if they really want to find Natalee. And as for trashing Aruba…Americans should be the last cause there’s nowhere in the world that has the worst criminals and sick people like America. And to go as far as to say boycott tourist from going to Aruba I find it very low of the Americans. They blame a whole country for one person’s doing but treated the country as if they were lower than them. Give the people a chance to do their job the right way!! And how about innocent until proven guilty? I don’t dismiss that these boy might have something to with Natalee disappearance but come on….it’s been 2 years now and still they can’t prove anything and till they can’t find Natalee’s body on a small island like Aruba. For all we know she could still be alive…no one found her body, yet people are saying she have been murder. This makes me all sick!!!
Actually, I think we should give kudos to Amigo for this work of science fiction. If there is ever anything that will tick Americans off more, I can’t think of it. Aruba has ensured that more Americans will realize just what a fantasy island Aruba is and the lengths they will go to to try to get the onus of their back. Once again, no heart felt sorrow for the disappearance, rape and murder of Natalee, merely more and more blame to the victim
Mayan
Planted, yeah ok, let’s see….how many times has the perps, the ALE, the Aruban journalist, and the Aruban PM, changed the stories?
The fact remains, un-attested….the last ppl to be seen with Natalee Holloway are the accused, facto, el dono…..
Aruba stop perfuming the pig(s). Man-up. Your legacy is written.
I see it as a good thing. People that do not follow the Natalee Holloway story closely will get wind of this attack and they will learn just how Aruba operates.
“Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!”
The cruelty inflicted upon Natalee and her mother and father is deplorable.
The savagery displayed and complete disregard for Natalee’s humanh rights, and those of her family members, is staggering.
Copies of this continuing depraved indifference to the suffering and barbaric hideous cruelty inflicted upon Natalee’s family should be forwarded to every tourism hub across America.
To deny a potential tourist THE TRUTH, of WHAT REALLY GOES ON IN ARUBA, is not only irresponsible but reprehensible, given the blatant violations of Natalee Holloway’s human rights that were demonstrated by various officials in Aruba who were entrusted with upholding not only Natalee’s human rights, but the public’s safety as well.
This display of indifference is barbaric and hideous.
TRAVELERS DESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE INFORMED OF THE SERIOUS CORRUPTION AT PLAY IN ARUBA WHICH DENIES VICTIMIZED TOURISTS ANY REMEDY TO JUSTICE, AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS SEEKING JUSTICE AND THEIR BELOVED VICTIMIZED FAMILY MEMBER’S TRUTH!
SHAME ON GEROLD DOMPIG …and all those who would continue to PARTICIPATE in persecuting Natalee’s loved ones through this barbaric diplay of indifference and depravity which includes the sickening tormenting stories that feed upon the criminal savagery already executed upon this poor, suffering family, and upon Natalee – THE VICTIM.
SHAME ON ALL ARUBANS WHO WOULD GO ALONG WITH THIS BARBARIC CONDUCT!
KLPD: WHERE IS YOUR SENSE OF INTEGRITY TO ARUBAN LAWS?
WHERE IS YOUR SENSE OF HONORING THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THIS PRECIOUS CHILD?
WHERE IS YOUR SENSE OF MORAL DECENCY?
#146– Once again, it is YOU that doesn’t get it. Propaganda??? There has been nothing but propaganda in this case — and it is coming from Aruba and their “spin doctors.” Quick to Judgement???? We have followed the FACTS from this case for over 2 years — we have seen the lies, cover-ups, and INCONSISTENCIES. The people here aren’t just jumping on a “witchhunt.” If you follow the FACTS of the case — you have to come to this conclusion unless you have some vested interest in hiding the truth.
Blaming the entire country for a crime???? No, we are blaming the GOVERNMENT of a country that has ACTIVELY obfuscated the truth. If I saw a group of Aruban citizens demanding accountability — I might change my mind.
65 – Janet, as always, right on target.
The question should have been:
Did all of you “have RAPE” on her?
To “have” sex, is to suggest the victim, NATALEE, had some capcity or ability to “consent”, – a child, whose voice has now been permanantely silenced by none other than “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”.
The right to be able to consent to sexual relations, was stripped away from Natalee, given the “in and out of consciousness” state that the liars admitted to regarding the condition they took her away in, after what appears to have included drugging her and kidnapping her, all pointing to criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee that rendered her completely helpless in defending her own personal safety from the predators who targetted her for gang rape, kidnapping and all the other barbaric acts inflicted upon this precious child.
Aruba’s response to the slaughter of this precious child is to contribute to the further victimization of the victim, Natalee and all her family members, who witness this barbaric indifference to the sufferings and cruelty inflicted upon their beloved Natalee, while more barbaric indifference to their suffering, and the cruelty inflicted upon Natalee gets twisted into new lies to tell to DISTRACT, DISTRACT, DISTRACT from the UGLY TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA, the UGLY TRUTH ABOUT ITS’ OFFICIALS ENTRUSTED WITH HONORING THE PUBLIC’S RIGHT TO SAFETY AND THE PROTECTION OF THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS, AND THE UGLY TRUTH ABOUT ALL OF ARUBA’S CRIMINALS AND PREDATORS.
INTEGRITY IS NOT HARD TO SEE, NOR TO ACT WITH.
ALL IT TAKES IS A WILL TO DO SO.
CRIMINAL DEPRAVITY IS ALSO NOT DIFFICULT TO SEE.
THE CONTEMPT FOR JUSTICE CRIES OUT THROUGH ACTS OF DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE AND DISREGARD FOR ADHERENCE TO TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY TO THE LAW AND WHAT THE LAW CALLS FOR REGARDING RESPONSIBLE ACTIONS TO TAKE IN ORDER THAT THE PUBLIC’S SAFETY IS VALUED AND PROTECTED!
TOURISTS HAVE NO PROTECTIONS NOR RIGHTS IN ARUBA!
HUMAN RIGHTS PROTECTIONS WOULD NOT LEAD TO THE CONTAINMENT OF THE VICTIM, AND THE FREEDOM OF PREDATORY CRIMINALS!
DISREGARD ARUBA: BECAUSE ARUBA DISREGARDS SERVING JUSTICE AND HONORING THE TRUTH OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS INFLICTED UPON NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND HER FAMILY.
Whatever troll is #146, he, she, it or they must be mentally challenged if the purpose of the boycott remains unclear. How can you not understand the need to protect our own people, and yes, others, too, given the obvious lack of competence, law, and quite likely sanity that prevails in much of what passes for authority in the Netherlands Antilles?
But it’s really not worth making the same observations time and again.
By the way … Americans have offered to help time and again. Nope. Oduber initially opposed bringing in the FBI because “the case will be solved in a week.”
I honestly could not even finish reading the article. I always remember my good friend in Aruba the late Wayne Benson always saying that he never ever saw a place like Aruba where nothing exists of a factual nature. Everything is fabrication, gossip, heresay (sp) or just damned made-up. Aruba is definitely a piece of work. And oh that Julia Renfro – she is not a nice person. Deliberately getting pregnant with her black married boy friend’s baby some years back. Her children all have different fathers.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!
#146
When was the last time a tourist went missing in the US and
the main liar suspects were let go with no forensics taken, victim was blamed and trashed, family was trashed, fishy investigation went on, and cover-up ensued?
That’s right; you can’t name one because the United States does not play the corrupt investigation missing tourist cover-up scam.
#146 Objectives,
Propaganda is twisting details and making the truth more difficult to see. Since most of the information comes from Aruba, it is not difficult to discover where the propaganda originates…or, who is doing most of the propagandizing.
“Trashing Aruba?” Pointing out trash is not “trashing.” We have seen trash, heard trash, and recognize trash. Aruba is slitting its own throat; but, the amazing thing is that Aruba is trying to stauch the bleedout using razor blades.
Stop the bleedout. Tell the truth, perform justice. The list of those who know…grows:
The US Government knows.
The FBI knows.
The CIA know.
The DEA knows.
The ALE knows.
The KLPD knows.
The OM knows.
Natalee’s Families know.
VDS Family knows.
The People of Aruba know.
It’s time for Truth or Consequences.
TRUTH AND JUSTICE
TRUTH AND JUSTICE
TRUTH AND JUSTICE
That is correct, 155, J4N.
Men and women with integrity are VISIBLE to the eye, as are their DECISIONS AND ACTIONS: look at the resolution to the missing child from Kansas, which took all of perhaps 48 hours, or the follow up by police to the traumatized family of Jessie Davis despite the fact that police knew the target of suspicion quite well, as he was one of their own fellow officers. Did corruption and obstructions prevent police from honoring Jessie Davis’ rights to justice? NO! INTEGRIT BEHIND A BADGE IS NOT DIFFICULT TO SEE, NOR IS HONORABLE ACTS THAT SUPPORT TRANSPARENCY IN ADHERENCE TO THE LAWS THAT ARE CREATED TO PROTECT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF CITIZENS.
Men and women who are ROOTED IN HONORABLE INTEGRITY, are as CLEAR as their TRANSPARENT DECISIONS AND ACTIONS IN UPHOLDING THE INTEGRITY OF THE LAW.
The abomination of men like Gerold Dompig who would get up in front of scores of cameras to proclaim a victimized child whom he knows SUFFERED unthinkable torment, and then suggest to the world that she OVERDOSED HERSELF AND DIED (while failing to explain HOW she “BURIED AND RE-BURIED HERSELF” OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THE HORROR AND HEART BREAKING TORMENT OF HER FAMILY, while IGNORING HIS REFUSAL and his pals refusal to INVESTIGATE “THE HOUSE” that he KNEW they all took a “slipping in and out of consciousness” NATALEE to, of whom the main primary suspects were all LYING ABOUT regarding WHERE THEY PUT HER AND TOOK HER, speaks volumes about WHO Georld Dompig REALLY IS, and WHAT level of interest Aruban officials EVER HAD in finding Natalee for her traumatized parents and family.
But when you consider that there are individuals out there who would now suggest she was “seen at lunch”, speaks of the inconceivable level of malfeasance involved in covering up the UGLINESS of WHAT WAS DONE TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND BY WHOM.
“We got bored, so we all decided to go to THE HOUSE”.
Satish Kalpoe, May 31,2005
And this gets followed with:
“We are looking EVERYWHERE”…. (EXCEPT THE HOUSE).
“No one is above the law”…. ( EXCEPT ALL THE PREDATORS WE CHOOSE TO PROTECT IN ORDER TO UPHOLD THE MYTH OF “HAPPY AND SAFE IN ARUBA”, WHO VIOLATE LITTLE GIRLS AND INFLICT UNTHINKABLE TORMENT UPON THEM WHILE VIOLATING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS.)
“We all decided to go to THE HOUSE”…and “We dropped her off right in front of the lobby entrance where she was approached by a black security guard carrying a walkie talkie” – TRANSLATES INTO: We’ll tell everyone she was a drug addict, that she was spotted with possession of drugs, that she was drunk and out of control, in order to undermine her good name and credibility so that we can protect the perverts on the island and the myth that we’re so “safe and happy”, and we’ll wrap it up with “she was spotted having lunch” and perpetuate the notion that: “SHE JUST KIND OF VANISHED.”)
What a sickening display of brutality and cruelty.
What an insidious demonstration of uncivilized barbaric savagery.
How much longer should Beth and Dave continue to be subjected to the most barbaric cruelty and human indifference?
How much longer should Natalee’s body be relegated to desecration?
How much longer should Natalee’s family be mentally tormented with the knowledge that their baby was butchered, her TRUTH was butchered and the villains who executed this precious child walk about with full, and unimpeded FREEDOM, while the VICTIM continues to SUFFER barbaric CONTAINMENT against HER WILL and against the wishes of her family to have their precious Natalee returned to them?
What kind of “human rights” agreement could possibly exist between the USA and the Netherlands, when THE VICTIM ends up relegated to ON-GOING, UNLAWFUL CONTAINMENT, and the predators who violated her human rights end up roaming about completely FREE and without ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS THAT VIOLATED THIS CHILD’S HUMAN RIGHTS?
HOW MUCH LONGER, ARUBA?
HOW MUCH LONGER, KLPD?
END THE VICTIMIZATION OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND THE TORMENT OF HER FAMILY!
HONOR THIS CHILD’S RIGHT TO BE SET FREE, HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE PURSUED AND ALL CRIMINALS INVOLVED IN BUTCHERING THIS CHILD PROSECUTED, AND HER TRUTH TOLD TO HER FAMILY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
Miss-U!
Let me clarify….in NO WAY am i buying into anything Aruban’s are saying about the container being planted. I just thought it curious that on the eve of a water search they start saying this *container* if found would’ve been *planted* to frame them. (lol i know…its crazy)
What i’m saying is it sounded to me like they are predicting and/or conceding that should a/the container be found, evidence as in Natalee’s body will be found in it.
After all why even come up with the the container was planted statements before the deep sea water search has even begun.
What Dompigs story ads up to would be that Natalee got killed in the US. How unlikely is this in the first place?
Please to boycot Aruba anyway so our hollidays from Europe and Canada will be cheaper!
Gotcha Mayan, but I believe that was a topic else-where, so you do have your finger on the pulse.
BTW speaking of Justice and Aruba….eww hard to say in the same sentence.
Hey Aruba how about some justice for Johns and Jones, remember them?
Put your money where your mouth is (on second thought just wondering where your mouth would be)
Yes I went to the Quiki Mart and got change, the $$$
said Boycott Aruba J4 Natalee Holloway
Mayan Moons, how true – that on the eve of a water search, the excuses and explanations would abound amidst more despicable lies to explain the contemptable conduct of Aruban officials who literally looked the other way in refusing to carry out their duties as concerned WHAT Aruban laws CALLED FOR regarding the liars involved in Natalee’s disappearance, amidst the liars blatant conflicting statements, hard evidence indicative of suspicions that Natalee was the the victim of violence while the men who took her continued to lie about WHAT they had done to her, and when looked at against the back drop of Paulus Van der Sloots commentary, descriptions and explanations as to HOW he was awakened, on May 31, and what he failed to include concerning his whereabouts from May 29th into May 31st and thereafter, – it is sickening to hear the same unconscienable individuals now continue to mouth-off, with accusations pointed at everyone and anyone but the PREDATORS, themselves!
Meanwhile, it appears that Julia is overly excited and consumed regarding concerns about “hot breaths” coming from the FBI down upon the necks of what can only be perceived as the unscrupulous in Aruba.
Julia seems to be longing for something that – perhaps she herself, lacks, that being – that she should be so lucky as to have the honest hot breath of just one FBI agent searing the slime off of what seems to continuously drip from her tongue.
Perhaps the hot breath of a good and honest man whose actions are rooted in honorable conduct is something sorely lacking in her life (?), however, in good time, opportunities may arise that provide her with a real chance to walk the straight and narrow path that leads to Natalee’s truth and perhaps she will feel first-hand for herself, just how much honorable HOT FBI BREATH can produce and accomplish, regarding its’ potential for justice, as it comes in contact with her own neck.
Julia should be so fortunate as to feel that hot FBI breath of which she pines and whines; she should be so fortunate as to feel that hot breath coming down upon her own neck.
What a refreshing opportunity for her; she should be so fortunate.
I’m sure there might be some agents more than willing to blow some hot air down Julia’s neck, if she longs to experience the surge of integrity burning tracks down her spine.
Afterall, Julia claims to have wanted to do “anything” to help Beth.
Here might just be her lucky chance: A close encounter with some real honest hot breath, shooting down upon her neck, up close and personal so she can be sure to experience the full impact of what INTEGRITY and HONESTY LOOKS LIKE IN THE FORM OF “BREATHS” COMING FROM MEN AND WOMEN WITH A CONSCIENCE.
146- This makes me all sick!!
…
It doesn’t MAKE you sick, you were sick to begin with.
…and could you learn English better before you drop
your brain trash on American message boards
and act like
a snot?
‘Someone who is objectives’
??? WTF?
I’m just sayin.’ Stop being illiterate, and don’t
be a hatin. It is so unbecoming.
-j4n
JORAN SAID TO GEROLD MCFRAUD-PIG
……………
SHE WAS EFFING B-U-R-I-E-D.
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AP WIRE – look it up.
What more do these mental midgets need?
I don’t think they’d even believe it
if Joran The Gangraping Aruban Murderer Van der sloot
confessed it to ‘em on DVD!!! These people
are N-U-T-S. -j4n
old julia the”rent ho” was in on this crime from the beginning and had a lot to do with the coverup !
#146: YOUR BOY HAS ALREADY ADMITTED TO THIS CRIME AND DADDY FIXED IT FOR HIM. HE PROVED HIS GUILT THE FIRST DAY HE WAS INTERROGATED AND SOME BODY DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE.
HE KNOWS THAT SO FAR HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH RAPE AND MURDER AND SO HAS DADDY . THEIR DAY IS COMING, WE MAY NOT SEE IT BUT,THEY WILL AND WILL PROBABLY PEE THEIR PAJAMAS JUST LIKE BEFORE !
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Poeple or rather Silly Americans Get over it. Yeah, we all feel sorry that someone died or is missing or whatever. But this happens to thousands of visitor and your own citizens each day. So why don’t you Boycott yourselves or the state in which it occurs? Have all the foreign victims in the US received justice? NO! Not ever 50% of those crimes are solved.
Yet here you go being all dramatic. But look deeper and you’ll see that the only reason you are going to this extent is because the media pushed the idea. Typical Americans. Can’t think for themselves, need the media to tell them how to feel or to provide an opinion for them to follow. It’s becoming a trend in your country…. Bush, WMD, Rove, Reelect Bush… You have lost the ability to logically analize a situation at react appropriately. It either over exaggerate or do nothing.. no middleground in America.
You can go ahead and Boycott, but I got a few interesting questions. How many of you Boycotters have a passport? Statistics show that just about 30% of American have passport. Which is usually a required to travel abroad. So so much for those boycotters. Besides, how many of you even knew that Aruba existed? More less planning a trip there. Poeple get real!! Get over it. Your silly calls for a Boycott of Aruba is pointless and has no influence. Most poeple who planned to go sure won’t change their plans because ONE person went missing on some dubious story. Silly Amricans. lol
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SM: I see you are posting from the Netherlands. Joran…is this you? If we Americans are so silly, why are you bothering to post here? (klaasend)
I FEEL THAT THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE OVER, UNTIL DAVE,
AND BETH FIND OUT THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPEN TO THEIR DAUGHTER NATALEE. WHY WASN’T SHE EVER PUT ON THE FBI
MISSING PERSON LIST? I GUESS SINCE ARUBA IS RULED BY THE
NETHERLANDS, ANY THING GOES, I HAVE HEARD THAT IN THE
NETHERLANDS, ANYTHING GOES, SEX, DRUGS, ETC, ARE OVER
LOOKED, ALSO AGE. MY PRAYER FOR BETH AND DAVE AND THIS
HEART BREAK OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR DAUGHTER. THERE
WILL NEVER BE CLOSURE FOR THIS FAMILY. WHERE EVER NATALEE
IS REST NATALEE IN PEACE.
In response to SM. Fist of all I am not in the Netherlands, so recheck your information. But more importantly, I post here because it is an open forum. And it seems like Americans have lost the ability to step back and evaluate their own ideas and behaviors. They no longer see their own flaws or prefer to ignore them and proceed on a stubborn course of action no matter what.
Once up a time the US was a leader in the world in advocating fair politics (policing elections in other countries) and denouncing the mistreatment of others. Today, it all turned out to be hypocrisy. Politically the world has seen how corrupt your elections and government officials are. Bush was the worst thing to happen to US politics. Yet Americans turned a blind eye to it. If there was a president worthy of impeachment, this is the one, but you would prefer go after someone for oral sex. What kind of mixed up values are those? Then there are the torture flights, Guantanamo, the New Orleans debacle.
The world (there is one outside of the US) looks at your population and wonders how you could blindly accept these things and act as if all is well. Yet you are quick to condemn other countries when they do the same are your administration is doing. The world has lost respect for your country and your people because you do not think for yourselves. It is a media controlled society and the media in turn is controlled by the wealthy and the powerful. You are just pawns, unable to form your own opinion and waiting on your marching orders. That is why I think that Americans are silly. But I wanted to share my opinion and an outsider’s view and that is why I am posting here
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SM: Actually you would be wrong … this is not an open forum, it is a private web site. An open forum would be if you created your own blog.
And just like a typical foolish argument, you justify injustice by stating that other exists. You are a walking cliché. Who do you get your stereotype marching orders from. You talk a good game, but you best talk a look in your own hypocrisy mirror. So if you thin we Americans are silly, you will have no issue with saying bye, bye to all of us.
I just got Side tracked by SM. My point is this. Why all the protest and fuss about this particular case. I assume that most of you people live in the Southern part of the US, so you got a Wal-Mart 10 minutes away from your homes. Why not go there and take a look at the posters at the entrance showing all the missing children. Where is the outrage and call for justice for them? They disappeared right under your own noses, on your watch and in your country. So where is the outrage that not enough is being done to find these children?
All this focus on a singular event, a singular person, while collectively there are so many other victims out there. And these are closer to home where your protests, actions and Infamous BOYCOTT can maybe make REAL difference. This Holloway Aruba Boycott is such a waste of energy and resources that can be used a lot more effectively in your own country.
But it’s so much easier to jump on a bandwagon. Or to call others immoral , impotent or corrupt. That way you don’t need to look at your own dirty hands.
Even other high profile case like JohnBennet or the Sandra Levy case and many others all got swept under the rug, with no protest, outrage or BOYCOTT. Dare I say hypocritical?
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SM: Get a clue and read this site and the sister sites … ah there is discussion and outrage on other cases. What people wish to do is there own choice. No boycott was ever put in place, it was a singular decision by individuals. So that actually destroys your theory of marching orders.
Maybe ig you cared or paid attention, you would see that people take active roles in other cases. But since all you care to be is a troll and insult … say adios.
Should it be about boycotting Aruba, or boycotting drugs and alcohol?
Should it be about boycotting Aruba, or about boycotting
pornography, sex, crime, violence films produced by Hollywood for young people to immitate all over the world?
How would you like to honor Natalee?
#56…I am thinking that when Joran says “I think she may be dead, “by now”, that he is saying… It is safe for me to make this statement now because enough time has gone by to be able to legitimately say…”she must be dead, by now”…
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