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There seems to be more legs to the story that was originally reported where Aruban Justice Minister, Rudy Croes, called for a break with the Netherlands. Regarding the comments, sources in Aruba say the following:
Since most of his attributes as Minister of Justice have been taken away by Holland. To utter that threat is easy for a man who doesn’t measure the consequences of his statements. Neither him nor anyone else in government has the power to proclaim Aruba’s independence from Holland. Only the people can ask for that in a referendum if it’s what the majority wants, but as far as we are aware of, the absolute majority of the Aruban population doesn’t want to sever ties with Holland.
The quote from the Prime Minister of the Antilles emphasizes the bewilderment she feels at such an unprovoked, unexpected and useless statement.
Amigoe, June 4, 2007: Aruban minister Croes breaks off with the Netherlands
ORANJESTAD – The Aruban Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP breaks off all ties with the Netherlands and will no longer collaborate with this country in the future. He said that in Colombia , where he is currently.
The Amigoe already reported last Friday that Aruba will start with not attending the next tripartite between the Justice-ministers of the Netherlands , the Neth.Antilles, and Aruba . “The Netherlands is playing games with us”, said Croes. With his statement he joins the position of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, who indicated earlier this week that due to the attitude of the Netherlands , he has not been in this country for year-and-a-half already.
Rudy Croes took his statements in Colombia even a little further. According to ANP, he even prohibits all contacts between people for his department and the Netherlands . Aruba has already been talking about the (further) judicial collaboration when the new political division of the Kingdom takes place on December 15th, 2008.
Croes’ statements surprised the Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage ( PAR ), who paid Aruba an official visit in the past days. Also the Antillean Justice-minister David Dick ( PAR ) says that he had not talked to Croes yet. He wonders what motivated Croes to take this decision.
Two matters are playing part in the dispute between Aruba and the Netherlands : the Aruban loan of 50 million dollars for which the Kingdom (read: the Netherlands ) is making reservations; and the other matter is the proceeds on the buildings in which the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino are established.
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Me thinks Rudy is in lots of trouble over the handling of the Natalee Holloway case.
Me thinks Rudy will never return from Columbia to Aruba.
Me thinks that perhaps the Dutch are on the ‘up and up’ and have laid out what needs to be done from the justice side of the NH case…and that Rudy is fighting it.
Me thinks a house of cards is wobbling.
Me thinks Rudy is cooked….
This is what government actors due when they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They become irrational and combative.
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Croes is a jacka$$, arrest him. He’s a thug.
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
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I posted in the other ‘thread’ about Rudy Croes #87, that perhaps the Netherlands is leading the coverup in this case.
If so, perhaps Rudy is sick of Aruba taking the complete fall for what happened to Natalee and his statement could be interpreted to mean he is not going to work with them anymore to cover up this case (and perhaps other misuses of power of the Netherlands) and he is conveniently hiding out on ‘friendly’ soil while making these strange remarks.
Could Ruby be about to spill the beans?
Will we hear a splat , when IT hits the fan?
All the more reason to stay away from Aruba.
QUOTE The Netherlands is playing games with us”, said Croes. QUOTE
Hey Rudy, you been playing games with the Natalee Holloway from the get go, how’s it feel? Need to go brush your teeth yet?
This guy is as Steve Holloway says,Evil pure EVIL. Wasnt he the one who had the two woman there at his house as sex slaves?? He could very well have been one of the ppl at the rave party….I do believe.
Has he lost his power? I can’t stop with this smile on my face.
Minnesota Dad-me thinks you are correct, sir.
me thinks the a$$hole has the runs, I mean is on the run.
Sounds like, looks like, when you hear of the dictators who have lost power and they leave the country-so bye-bye. I will never lose hope that Natalee’s story will be told with the whole truth.
I do believe the Rudy Croes “forbidding” contact of those within the Aruban Ministry of Justice with the Netherlands is all about the Dutch investigation into the Natalee Holloway case. Think about it … it was a spokesperson for the Ministry of Justice who released a statement to FOX NEWS on June 10, 2005 “confirming” Natalee’s death and stating that the location of the body was known.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
June 2, 2007
Rudy Croes took his statements in Colombia even a little further. According to ANP, HE EVEN PROHIBITS ALL CONTACTS BETWEEN PEOPLE FOR HIS DEPARTMENT AND THE NETHERLANDS. Aruba has already been talking about the (further) judicial collaboration when the new political division of the Kingdom takes place on December 15th, 2008.
Yo Rudy Tootie…
Fresh & Fruity…
How does your toupee grow?
Colombia can get rowdy and rough at times,
you betta butch the ef up
little
leprechaun man
leprechaun man!!!
xoxoxoxoxox
-Frau Farbissina
Justice 4 Nat
According to the following quote from the Amigoe article of June 2, 2007 … Justice Minister Rudy Croes and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber are one in regards to this issue.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
June 2, 2007
The Amigoe already reported last Friday that Aruba will start with not attending the next tripartite between the Justice-ministers of the Netherlands , the Neth.Antilles, and Aruba . “The Netherlands is playing games with us”, said Croes. WITH HIS STATEMENT HE JOINS THE POSITION OF PRIME MINISTER NELSON ODUBER, who indicated earlier this week that due to the attitude of the Netherlands , he has not been in this country for year-and-a-half already.
One wonders why he is making these statements while outside of Aruba. Does he think he’ll be held to account at home?
If this guy hasn’t simply flipped his lid ….
Dare we think that there might be a link between Aruba and Venezuela/Colombia in the Natalee Holloway case?
No evidence, yet, that I know ….
What’s the matter, Rudy?
Something to hide?
Afraid the truth will come out?
Afraid you are going down?
Run, Rudy, Run.
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Rudy is an idiot. No, he’s more than an idiot – he is an uneducated backwards low-life piece of scum that makes sewage look good currently getting far too much attention.
He’s not smart enough to have backed himself into the corner he has – but I suppose he finds himself in this corner for taking on what he couldn’t handle. The above blog posting is correct: he doesn’t have the power to sever ties with the Dutch. Again, he’s an idiot. A hypocrite. A filth bag. A liar.
Rudy Croes looks like Vincent Van Gogh (without the talent) and is obviously as crazy. He also looks like an evil little crook. As I’ve said before those kinds of islands are often receptacles for LITTLE PEOPLE who want to be big shots and can’t make it anywhere else, and LIEruba is crawling with them.
Post on Al com this morning ..Court TV is doing a special one hour program on the Holloway case on June 20th. Anchor person says there will be a surprise prior to the program. Check it out there is a link to CTV on Al.com Natalee Holloway forum.
Has Rudy joined the civilization of primates?
Colombia, reported Nov 2006, kidnapping rate reach a sum of 3000.
Colombia, the world’s largest supplier of cocaine and heroin.
Agriculture, the cultivation of coca and poppy plants has increased in the last 3 years.
Who is he rubbing elbows with?
3. Perhaps the Netherlands is leading the coverup in this case … disgustedmom
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Interesting!
A spokesperson for the Ministry of Justice released a statement to FOX NEWS on June 10, 2007 confirming that Natalee was dead and … the location of her body was known and … within hours that statement was retracted. When Paulus’ eight year relationship with the prosecutors office (Dutch) and … his connections to the judiciary are considered … maybe … just maybe … there was pressure from Holland to have that statement retracted.
This all really makes one think. Wouldn’t of it been better to return Natalee to her family and punish those responsible for her death instead of continuing on with the mystery of disappearance. This is an ongoing problem for Aruba, no safety no justice. And what about the natives of Aruba that have children, how do they feel about the pimp club, Joran,Kalpoes and many others walking around as perverts. How do they feel about Carlos & Charlies drugging their tourists? How do they feel knowing there are drug dealers on their streets, even related to Dompig.(brother-in-law)and so on!!!
Human trafficing does exist and it’s becoming worse all the time.
What do we call those kind of people that resort to what they did to the poor man in the cave?
Aren’t you afraid?
LOL Carpe……Oh that’s sooo funny…
Good bye Rudy Good bye,,,,Don’t lie Rudy, you lie….
Your lucky charms are unlucky..
Heres a thought,OT, if Freddy says that urine told him that Natale kept falling, maybe she was trying to get away but was drugged so she was falling as she was trying to get away.
Rudy is running scared…does not like it that Holland has been on his turf making waves! I believe it is only a matter of time before all of the murdering croaks involved with be fingered out and put in jail…their days in the sun will be over with.
Maybe Holland has been doing a deep deep investigation on all the corruption in Aruba and since they owe Holland millions, Holland may want to come in and really take over!
Hey #19, just a thought…do you think after raping Natalee and putting her in the car that they took off to drop her off at her hotel and she tried to jump out as they took off and was run over by Deepak? He backed the car up? So they could not tell the truth since testing would prove that all of them had raped her?
17. This all really makes one think. Wouldn’t of it been better to return Natalee to her family and punish those responsible for her death instead of continuing on with the mystery of disappearance … Brie
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I suspect that it is too late to turn back the clock. It is not just about returning Natalee’s remains to her parents … to her country. It is not just about Paulus and Joran being held accountable. Brie … it is all about those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who had knowledge or were involved in the coverup … it is about the sons of the elite … it is about exposure of Aruba’s dirty little secrets in regards to gambling … drugs … money laundering … pornography … prostitution …
I believe that the implications encompassing justice for Natalee at this late date are just too overwhelming.
So if Natalee is dead there were way too many reasons relating to this case not to declare her so.
The island of Aruba isn’t that big, but what better place for corruption, kept secret, than a place that proclaims to be safe and most people believed that was true.
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UNlucky Chumps think they’re magically delicious!
An alternate theory to these boys controlling the universe (as in my previous comment) is perhaps that we’re not dealing so much with corruption here as ignorance run amuck.
Still, you’d think the US authorities could have done more by now by means of making the boycott ‘official’ (like the one on Cuba), or putting pressure on the Dutch to step in.
If indeed the boys don’t have the power to rule the world then what is really going on? Somewhere somehow it must be political. It simply has to be! Hasn’t it?
Oh, and in a Dutch newspaper reporting on this same topic, a spokesperson on the island said (roughly translated here) “Rudy Croes is not representative of the concensus of the island or its government. Therefor, the Dutch government is not taking his comments seriously.”
Even his own people know he’s no good (probably why he’s hiding out in Columbia… anyone know if his Mansur wife is with him?)
anything is possible at this point. We do know that BOTH papasweat and jr sweat know what happened but cant/wont tell cause it involves to may higher ups….I think at this point the DUTCH may be deciding what is the “best” way to tell what happened..This has gone on long enough. If we know so much, how can they not arrest ppl and lock them up for good.
Mayan..LOL
We need a Rudy charm, it can be a SNAKE/ASP.
Miss-U that idea is mint….afterall Rudy is the biggest ASP we know!~
Joran knew in advance where Natalee was going to be her last night on the island. He managed to show up and separate her from her friends in the bar. Also managed to get her into the car, she had never left her friends before. They cicle Carlos n Charlies, Deepak makes a quite stop and gets out of car and goes into another bar. A white car pulls up beside them. A call is made from Natalee’s phone to one of her friends and they hear a voice saying, “are you calling your mom” and then hung up. Paulus makes a visit to the ATM machine at 4 in the morning. Joran has scratches on his face. Where’s Natalee?????
Koen and Freddy supposedly at Joran’s apartment, why?. Or were they?
Couple of things:
First several wonder if Rudy Croes is crackers because of his statements. One only has to look at some of the statements made by Hugo Chavez to understand that Croes is headed the same direction.
Next, no, I don’t believe for a minute that Croes is about to spill his guts. If he were; he would just do it. The guy is over the edge in believing in his own power.
I believe that Joran the monster did indeed confess. But I believe that he did so at a time when it was “illegal” for them to be interrogating him – hence the reason for back tracking. Paulus and his buddies threatened everyone. By then, his mother got to the sporter with a message from his father and he didn’t “confess again”. The fact that his own Aruban lawyer later had this secret conversation with Janssen only backs up my theory. My theory also then indicates that both Paulus and Anita know what their offspring did and have chosen to just look the other way. Yes, I think Paulus and buddies took care of relocation Natalee’s body.
Exactly how Natalee died, I don’t know. The thought that she tried to run under drugs is a probable one since that could have triggered her asthma and caused her death – and also explain the strange story about her hitting her head. And yes, because there would be DNA evidence would be the reason her body needs to stay “disappeared”.
I doubt that Paulus has enough leverage to get the Dutch to cover for him – but who knows. I mean its simply not like Paulus was a big wig in the Netherlands since after all, he FAILED as a judge! It does sound like Croes silly order is related to the investigation – leaving the likelihood of a cover-up in Aruba.
Katablog, my understanding (based on what I’ve read, including interviews with victims) is that date-rape drugs not only leave one physically groggy, or worse, but erode one’s will to resist.
In an interview, one woman who had been given one in a public bar (in the U.S.) said that the perpetrator then said “Come with me,” or something similar, and she knew at the time that she was in danger but felt unable to resist.
Luckily for her, a friend of hers happened to be nearby, knew that something was wrong, and gave more forceful instructions to the contrary.
I’m certainly no expert, but I don’t think a scenario of Natalee running away under the influence of such drugs is likely. Certainly, if that had been the case, they would have been able to re-capture her.
I wonder if Jossy Mansur is taking Rudy Croes to task for these statements?
When would it of be illegal for them to interrogate Joran and obtain a confession? The only person to object would of been Paulus!
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I’m not sure of the source of this news brief, but I thought I’d share it with my favorite monkeys…
This just in.
An escaped mule has been reported to have broken into an LA news station, where it was spotted backing up into the desk of a woman who would only identify herself as “the Croc”.
When the mule arrived at the desk, it unloaded what some described as a major dump.
Waste management was called in, but when confronted by a source who would only identify herself as “Fluffer”, it was ascertained that the odiferous stench was not the result of the mule dropping a load on “the croc’s” desk, but from “some other ass” according to the anonymous source who stated: ” I’ve spoken with all the obvious potential suspects that could generate this kind of more-ass. I know this mule is innocent because I’ve seen lots of crap before.”
Gripped by her attractions for loads of crap, the anonymous source named Fluffer slithered onto the ground, sniffing out all the crap she could inhale. After zeroing in on Croc’s pile of papers, Fluffer sniped: “I’m convinced this ass is innocent, as are all the other asses. The crap is coming from Croc.”
Waste management reported the source of the foul odor was indeed stemming from an article left on the Croc’s desk.
When asked about the foul odor, waste management officials would only say: “We haven’t smelled a stench like that since that trip we made to that island sinking in the Carribbean , where we had to do a major overhaul of a septic tank over at this newspaper, called “Island Crapper ” and suddenly, this lady comes out screaming something about being a crap expert because she’s “probed all the crap on the island.”
When asked about the comments made by Fluffer and the Croc, the mule would only say:
“…and they call me an ass. Look at those two: a croc of crap – the two of them!”
35. Brie – i’m basing the majority of my knowledge on law and order (seriously) although i do recall reading/hearing about this 2 years ago: it may have something to do with when he was initially detained and him being a minor (wasn’t he 17 at the time? I am pretty sure legal age is 18 on Aruba) and being questioned without a lawyer or parent/guardian present may be deemed inadmissable the way it is here.
The timeline for the severing of ties by Aruba with the Netherlands has already been established. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. Why are Arubans not taking to the streets in mass protests? Both their Prime Minister and Minister of Justice are one in regards to this issue.
Also, why is this topic not breaking news in every media outlet in America. The implications are huge when a bond between Aruba and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is considered. Chavez’s words to the United Nations … this guy has NO RESPECT … NO FEAR … of the United States of American.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
June 2, 2007
ORANJESTAD – The Aruban Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP breaks off all ties with the Netherlands and will no longer collaborate with this country in the future. He said that in Colombia , where he is currently. The Amigoe already reported last Friday that Aruba will start with not attending the next tripartite between the Justice-ministers of the Netherlands , the Neth.Antilles, and Aruba . “The Netherlands is playing games with us”, said Croes. WITH HIS STATEMENT HE JOINS THE POSITION OF PRIME MINISTER NELSON ODUBER, who indicated earlier this week that due to the attitude of the Netherlands , he has not been in this country for year-and-a-half already. Rudy Croes took his statements in Colombia even a little further. According to ANP, he even prohibits all contacts between people for his department and the Netherlands . Aruba has already been talking about the (further) judicial collaboration WHEN THE NEW POLITICAL DIVISION OF THE KINGDOM TAKES PLACE ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2008.
Hugo Chavez
CNN – September 20, 2005
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez tore into his U.S. counterpart and his U.N. hosts Wednesday, likening President Bush to the devil and telling the General Assembly that its system is “worthless.” “THE DEVIL CAME HERE YESTERDAY,” CHAVEZ SAID, REFERRING TO BUSH, WHO ADDRESSED THE WORLD BODY DURING ITS ANNUAL MEETING TUESDAY. “AND IT SMELLS OF SULFUR STILL TODAY.” Chavez accused Bush of having spoken “as if he owned the world” and said a psychiatrist could be called to analyze the statement. (Watch Hugo Chavez cross himself as he tells world leaders he can smell the devil — 1:06) “As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world. An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: ‘The Devil’s Recipe.’ ” Chavez held up a book by Noam Chomsky on imperialism and said it encapsulated his arguments: “The American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its hegemonistic system of domination, and we cannot allow him to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.”
I’m not sure how much forensic knowledge the 3 stooges had prior to May 30, 2005 but we know Paul knew that DNA from semen could be matched with the last people with Natalee, so we concluded and rightfully so that its for that reason Natalee’s body couldn’t be found. But eventually with enough time that evidence would be gone with the flesh, leaving just the bones. There is no fear of a DNA match at this time and so what could it hurt to let the skeletal remains be found to send home to her family. Doing that would’ve taken ALOT of pressure off Aruba but it never happened. Here’s why i feel Natalee’s remains (bones) couldn’t be found, her skull has a gunshot wound entering the forehead and exiting the back of her head leaving a large gaping hole. No one gets shot in the forehead by accident, its a most brutal shot. There is no explaining that kind of shot away to the police or a jury/judge.
Only one way to ever get justice for Natalee and thats through Hyacintho Rudy Croes. I feel quite confident who directed the coverup and the actions of the ALE,Prosecuters office and Justice Dept. Certainly wasn’t PVS,Jacobs,VDS and Dompig acting alone. Whatever dirt Paul VDS had on Oduber/Croes he pulled out all the stops in June/2005. It has to be a bit more than just friendships that PVS had with the Police Commissioner,Prosecuters office and the Minister of In-Justice.
They aren’t just confident that Natalee will never be found but who is backing them up. How is this ever gonna get solved when key officials are up to there eyeballs and protecting each other? It hasnt been about tourism for quite awhile..It is about public humiliation and prison time. Natalee Holloway is just one of the many things they never want to reveal.
Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
It is the twilight zone Janet….is this true? That there is no reaction in Aruba about what Rudy Croes said???
wow…
#16, Janet….makes sense to me.
Add that while Paulus failed his judge test and IF selected judges might be expected to ‘excuse’ a few things from time to time for their peers and friends of peers, then maybe the final test for judgeship is for those who hold the power of the pen to have something of the same as they on you so they can later use it to get ‘excused’ from time to time. Maybe P failed the test at the time he did because he had not yet played the same game the other boys had. Perhaps not so now that Nat has gone missing. Perhaps P will get his judgeship when this is all over and he and his son have held up well.
no pot O’ gold for this leprechaun. give rudy a green hat with a buckle and a box of lucky charms.
lol Super Dave!
Rudy with Jossy’s wife??
whoa where’d that come from
What else is he involved with besides Prostitution,Drug Cartels(Mob)and Corruption? Makes sense why Convicted Mobsters like Posner were allowed to own and operate casino’s in Aruba. Who allowed that to happen? No wonder why Croes is barking out commands from columbia for everyone not to cooperate. I bet there are some ruthless people that Rudy Croes is connected to. Who would dare to tell on someone as powerfull as Rudy Croes??
In Regards to the 3 women that Rudy Croes tried to hold against there will and prostitute for him and his friends. Looks like the ladies were deported and never questioned.
In the letter, directed to the Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra the AVP writes: “As you already know we informed the DA in the last mentioned case of the corruptive practices within the Ministry of Justice and the DINA. We have also reported a felony committed by the minister of Justice, H.R. (Rudy) Croes. You however concluded In said case, without even investigating the matter apparently as the ladies in question were not even interrogated, that there was no just cause for a criminal investigation.”
After Rudy Croes retires..Who will take his place?? Another Croes? How many mobs are involved with major criminal activities in Aruba? Must be billions in profits from drug trafficking and money laundering.
One of the Venezuelan banks the clan worked with, the Banco de la Construccion, has an off-shore subsidiary on Aruba: the Intercon Financial Bank, through which a lot of money was channelled.
A Smugglers’ Paradise
The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm’s trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. “Yes, we are involved with that bank,” says Croes. “We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don’t know anything of their financial accounts.”
The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit ‘by mistake’, meant that de facto Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.
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disdustedmom…are you implying P didnt pass the P test???
Maybe Mr. Coes feels he too has been left out of the “loop” concerning exactly when Holland notified Aruba Justice officals that P didnt “pass” the test.
Rudy would look so good with a cuban necktie !!! Google cuban necktie for a good laugh.
Rudy has been pissed since his lucky charms were stolen. Anyways, here’s another example that the dutch in Aruba think only of themselves. Rudy…do the people of Aruba have a say-so in this matter? Who cares, huh? One dutch whitey trumps the needs of all the islanders…hmm..who else thinks this way?….this why folks are amazed of how arubans get pushed around by some (not all) dutch a**holes. You let these morons decide your future? And when the going gets tough…the dutch evaporate, leave Aruba holding the bag. Oh well…is what the dutch masters wish, so shall it be done. I know..I know….the aruban that stands up and questions this gets payed off and everything is “cool”…right, Gerald?
Observor
Where does Paulus and Joran get off with witholding information? Even in the most ass backwards countries, that is considered obstruction of justice.
Yourannn in his tv interview with Current Affair
“I will tell later”
What kind of shat is that? And Aruba with its
legal expert(s)and legal journalist (s), not one of you have the intergrity to call the two creeps on the carpet?
IN PLAIN WORDS…BY THEIR VERY OWN STATEMENTS MADE BY PAULEY (JUDGEFAILED) AND HIS SON HAVE TOLD YOU THEY KNOW BUT ARE NOT TELLING.
Americans wise up you are not safe in Aruba, you have a balless LE and Legal system. You are doomed if something happens to you in Aruba, the suspects can and will publically withhold information.
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE….BUT AS WE KNOW THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE IN ARUBA.
US DOLLARS SUPPORT THE BOYCOTT AND THEY STATE SO, WITH BIG RED INK
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY BOYCOTT ARUBA
It must be only a one Oxy Contin evening…
She still manages to bang out the poly-syllables!
Quick, yawn and give me a kiss…
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Paula,
Britney still has the number
to the “facility”
in her Sidekick.
Rinngg ring soon,
ok?
oooops…I meant paid not payed…..brain fart, sorry.
Rudy is just another pervert in Aruba. Maybe he didn’t like the idea of taking his young prostitutes away or from taking bribes. Maybe Rudy won’t get in the way anymore. So Long Rudy the pervert, break ties with everybody please. PS get new hairstyle and shave you idiot, forget the Lucky Charms. Also get your perversions under control.
Is rudy looking for a new job in Columbia?
Miss-Underestimated
It is not just Joran and Paulus who are witholding info. Seems like most everyone involved knows what happened except Natalee’s Family.How many people stated there blood in Deepak’s precious car? How many witnessed Joran’s confession?
Antonio Carlo:
Told Karen Janssen Joran plays a major role in Natalee’s dissapearance.
Deepak Kalpoe:
Said to Joran:They will sentence you to 15 years if they find that girl.That scholarship of yours, you can forget it.
Paul VDS:
Before NH was even missing. “No Corpse No Case”
Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they he had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
Charles Croes:
There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.
I wish all of us strength
charles croes
Jan Van Der Stratten:
was asked by a DUTCH journalist if he had any hopes for a positive outcome? STRATEN replied, “You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe, anymore, that we will find Natalee alive.” When asked why not, STRATEN quickly replied, “Because I know the details of the ‘investigation,’ and you don’t!”
Rudy Croes, the Bozo
I cut down trees, I skip and jump,
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women’s clothing,
And hang around in bars.
Mounties: He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps,
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women’s clothing
And hangs around…. In bars???????
Rudy
I chop down trees, I wear high heels,
Suspendies and a bra.
I wish I’d been a girlie
Just like my dear papa.
I can just picture Rudy Croes singing Michael Palin’s part in I’m a Lumberjack…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fXBhmL9e0
Has anyone heard anything about the Dutch on the island?
This case is totally sureal.
Could Simian be the one ALE working with KLPD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gm-gTX-_W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gm-gTX-_W0
RUDY CROES: HITLER IN THE BUNKER
This dispicable savage, falsely installed as a “MINISTER” of Justice, is actually a “MANADRIN”.
A product of cultural destiny, a ward of corruption, and a man who can only succeed by trading the virtue of his lowly position for power — wherever that power might emanate from.
He is the “man” who had the temerity to exclaim, during the heat of the Holloway investigation, about the mother of the missing child: “SHUT THAT WOMAN UP”.
Indeed.
“Shut that woman up”.
This from a misogynistic mandarin, a slob who has done NOTHING to deliver justice in a case which cries out for it, a complicit cockroach who scurries for the dark corners when the bright kleig lights of justice and transparency are brought to bear on his tiny and corrupted corner of the world.
Bleat like a coward from your bunker in Colombia, Rudy. A modern-day Hitler, surrounded by “yes-men” and “yes-women”, mouthing pathetic pleas for rebellion against anything good in the world. Yes, indeed, bleat on. Yes, dribble the words from your sorry lips: “shut that woman up.”
Rudy Croes = Hitler in the bunker.
My :45 is locked and loaded, Rudy. It’s all yours.
.
May silence prey on Rudy and the Croes from his bunker.
Hi guys,
It’s worked. I’ve uploaded the Peter R. de Vries-show that aired last sunday (and november 26th 2006) to the Stage6.com website. The quality isn’t as good of many of the other stuff on that site but it’s viewable…
Unfortunatly I’m quite bussy the coming weeks so there is no time to translate the hole show. Maybe other dutchies on the SM-site are willing to translate some phrases?
http://stage6.divx.com/user/IvOwl/video/1289412/PR-de-Vries—Holloway-case
Succes! I’ll hear it when you like it!
Robert | June 5, 2007, 2:29 am
Btw: with the most right butten in the players control-bar you can watch the video FULL SCREEN!
Why is my sum always 1 plus 1? wierd…I think the string is beginning to unraval. There is no way papasweat doesnt have the goods on the PM and good ole rudy…Like someone said this is not about tourism, this is about locking up some pretty nasty ppl and they dont want the money or power to go away. Its been going on for to long, Can you imagine how angry the powers that be in lieruba must have been when this happened? With all the media there. To call in a professional cover up team from the US{S.Cohen} took some big bucks… This Den of Iniguity[sp]is going down. If only SOMEONE had had the guts and common decency to just let Natalees remains come home, Beth and Dave would have just left and not ever looked back, and we wouldnt be here today… BUT NOOOOOOO. Well you creeps made your bed, now LIE in it.
I wonder if the sachems in Washington still regard Aruba as an “ally.”
Remember, folks, WE HAVE THE POWER.
Aruba’s economy is 80% dependent on U.S. tourism. Those of us who have followed Natalee’s case for two years know what Aruba is really like. (This is not directed at the average Aruban, but at the government, or more accurately the gang of thugs and bribe-takers who have authority in Aruba.)
The average American, though, isn’t thinking about Aruba, except possibly as a place for a vacation. It’s up to us to fight for Natalee by putting the truth out there and making sure that attention is paid (thank you, Willy Loman).
Show up in New Orleans at the end of the month.
Confront Aruba Tourism Authority and the travel agents who would sell tickets anywhere, to anyone.
Let’s work to keep Americans out of Aruba.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
In how many other countries would there be such a squabble about dividing up the proceeds from a hotel/casino sale?
“Two matters are playing part in the dispute between Aruba and the Netherlands : the Aruban loan of 50 million dollars for which the Kingdom (read: the Netherlands ) is making reservations; and the other matter is the proceeds on the buildings in which the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino are established.”
The thugs who run Aruba make Al Capone look respectable!
Oduber hasn’t been to the Netherlands in a year and a half; let’s see, Natalee has been missing for two years … cause and effect relationship?
Here’s a chunk of translation of the PRdeVries show.
It starts at 00.53.30 of the video (see Robert | June 5, 2007, 2:29 am)
ABOUT THE HANDLING OF THE CASE BY ARUBAN AUTHORITIES.
00.53.30 – Title: Opsporing Verzocht (= Dutch public tv crime program that cooperates strongly with dutch police)
Voice over: Detectives at Aruba were very unsatisfied with the Opsporing Verzocht-tvshow, that aired last (2006) spring. At the order of Head Officer of Justice Karin Jansen in that show, no questions were allowed about the two crucial points in the statements of Joran vd Sloot. • The way he got home that night. And • The shoes that went missing tracelessly. These are questions that normaly would have topped the list! Instead of that: in Opsporing Verzocht the impression had to be made that the investigation didn’t focus just on Joran and his friends but that it was still a broad investigation.
Clip from Opsporing verzocht:
Policeman speaking: “Both loverslane as the fishermans hut are known here on Aruba as the most romantic place on the island. …”
Voice over: At the investigative top the impression grew that the Head Officer of Justice Karin Jansen would play down the role of Joran van der Sloot and his friends as much as possible. The way the show was build up and and which delivered no usefull tips, by the involved investigators was considdered a missed chance.
00.54.50 – Title: De geheime tip (= The secret tip.)
PRdeV: At the Aruban investigative team a year and a half after date, the opinion lives that Joran van der Sloot without a doubt is responsible for the dissapearence of Natalee Holloway. Many of the facts and surroundings not to forget the many lies Joran told, point in that direction.
A VERY particular convermation of that suspicion came from someone from whom you would never expect that. It was a secret tip to the Head Officer of Justice herselfes. From someone who is very close to Joran and his father. A tip that should have never gotten out!
Voice over: It is about information, a tip, coming from “Master in Law” Antonio Carlo no-one less than the lawyer of Joran himself. Master iL. Carlo is on top of that, as other involved in this case, friend of the family. At this point in time Jorans father even is his “confrère” (colleague). Paul van der Sloot has become lawyer at this firm.
This Master Carlo, who as none other, is very close at the mainsuspect, has shortly after the arrest of Joran pushed for a confidential meeting with Head Officer Karin Jansen. Master Jansen reacted amazed and let the lawyer be know that this was a very unusual thing during an investigation. But after repeated requests, she agreed with a meeting. After office hours the lawyer had an appointment with her. At that meeting Master Carlo told her that something bothered him. And that he wanted to clear his conscience. Next he confided to her that he knew that Joran “… played a major role in the dissappearence of Natalee Holloway” (See textbox as well.) And he tought the Justice Office had to know this. But it was up to them to get the prove for that. A very heavy statement from an unsuspicious source!
Later when the investigation was threatend to crash Head Officer, Master, Karin Jansen wrote a letter to Master Carlo with a request for more information. Lawyer Master Carlo who realised that the confidential information wasn’t confidential anymore now the Justice Office had written it down “black on white”, reacted shocked. He wrote back a letter in which he denied everything.
Before we begin with him about this sensitive topic we first ask him why Joran despite al the counterevidence, sticks to his statement that he was picked up by Deepak.
PRdeV (00.58.10 – subtitled): That’s a strange element in this case.
AntCarlo: I understand your question. But I cant say anything sensable about it.
PRdeV: But does your client stays with his statement that it was Deepak or Satish?
AntCarlo: Yes, as I told you thats the state of the investigation at this point. As far as we were involved (/informed) in it. So here is a contradiction between the statements of the suspects.
PRdeV: And your client says: Thats the truth and Deepak and Satish lie if they denie that.
AntCarlo: I don’t know… I don’t want to mention in so many words that Satish lies. I can only say that my client persists in his statement that that one is true.
PRdeV: But that in its turn doesn’t logicly fits to the SMS messages and the chatconversations of that night.
AntCarlo: Well, it’s some time now that I looked into this case… So I don’t have the facts at hand…
PRdeV: Well, there was an SMS message sent by your client that says: Thanks for waiting. And you don’t have to do that if you’ve just been dropped of at your house by him!?
AntCarlo: Yes… I can’t respond to that at this point. I first have to get into the file again. I’m bussy with some other cases some time… So I can’t answer to this kind of specifics without firs reading the files…
(Recorders/translators note: here a very small piece of introduction in to the next IMPORTANT fragment is missing because I had to change the tape here; as you can see this is at the 60 minute-point. But no important facts were lost. Its an introduction to the questioning about the letter Antonio Carlo wrote to Karin Jansen the Head Officer of Justice.)
PRdeV (01.00.00): We’ve heard a story that you had a meeting once with the Head Officer of Justice in this case?
AntCarlo: … Hmmm … Yes?
PRdeV: And you were supposed to have said that some things were bothering you and you wanted to clearify that confidentialy? (SEE HIM GOING IN WITHDRAW-MODE!!!)
AntCarlo: Well… Uh… And you ask me if that’s true?
PRdeV: Yes. Is that true?
AntCarlo: No. Of course not.
PRdeV: You’ve never pressed for a meeting at her office to release something concerning the case?
AntCarlo: Well no… Not to release something but to discuss something else. But uh, not something you suggest…
PRdeV: No?
AntCarlo: No!
PRdeV: But you don’t know either that that story goes around? …
AntCarlo: Not that I know of… No.
PRdeV: No???!!!
AntCarlo: Uhuhm.
PRdeV: So you didn’t get a letter about that from the Head of Office about that later on?
AntCarlo: Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… Yes! And I reacted to that…
PRdeV: So you this is playing now?
AntCarlo: But you speak about rumours, but this was something internal.
PRdeV: Well. Yes. Okay. But than you know very well what I’m talking about?
AntCarlo: Yes…. So….. I do know it.
PRdeV: And what’s your respons to that? The Head Officer doesn’t write such a letter just like that?! Like: Well, let’s just do that. Something has to have happened. Something must have happened.
AntCarlo: Yes but the Head Officer… uuuuhhhhmmmm… … … … … … … Well let’s put it this way… I reacted on that… On what third parties… On what the Head Officer said… I reacted to that.
PRdeV: And what was that?
AntCarlo: Well… Yes… I don’t feel the need to go into that any further. (Can’t hear what he says here.)
PRdeV: But it does play at this moment. You maybe don’t have that need but we are very curious for it. It is something that has happened. And I walk around in this bussiness to know that a Head Officer of Justice doesn’t just write a letter to a lawyer where-in is refered to an earlier conversation. There must have been something there. Can you show me these letters?
AntCarlo: No… Not…
PRdeV: Why not?
AntCarlo: Well yes… It’s internal.
PRdeV: Well, it’s external NOW!
AntCarlo: Well, to me it’s internal.
PRdeV: That indeed somehow suggests that you have something to hide?! Because you can’t be honoust and open about this…
AntCarlo: No, I considder it as something internal and for me its over.
PRdeV: It’s not over because I begin about it.
AntCarlo: No, fine, you may start about it. But it isn’t in my mind any longer.
PRdeV: Well, I couldn’t say that it is very comfortable to you… That this happens now… That it’s on the streets now…
AntCarlo: Well, I have a clear conscience.., so uuhh…
Voice Over (01.03.40): We leave behind a Master Carlo that feels clearly very uncomfortable… Where Jorans father one door further, holds office as well.
Hey Vicki,
…but if those morons had shut her big,
beautiful eyes, I never
would have been able to spot what
I believe to be her in the
510-24 Chicago video!!!
….
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You know, I feel really postive about what Mr. Tim Miller
is about to do with the TES CREW!
God speed, Tim. -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/yvg37o
> I think she may have been shot
after death, to make it appear like it a
was a drug hit. Teens that are scared make
a lot of mistakes.
A shot to the head…
THAT WOULD BE IRREVERSIBLE, AND WHEN
THEY SEE THE GIRL… THEY TRULY WOULD “see that sh1te.”
…
Thanks for the good word, Dirt-pock… you’re a
real mental midget. We can’t thank you enough.
…
…but hey, as we’ve seen over the past two
years play out in the media.
Even a pathological, lying, serial gang-raping,
filthy, murdering Van der sloot family member…
could not pull of that tractor load full
of bull shizzer.
Justice 4 Natalee!
http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6608081
Anyone hearing anything about the girl from Kansas missing?
Robert, thanks!
That’s funny. The majority of the Dutch people would like Aruba and the rest of the Antilles to break ties with the Netherlands, and vice versa. So we can kick all the criminals that come from these islands and now do their thing in NL back to their islands. We are actually hoping for Hugo Chavez to come and ‘liberate’ us from these islands but even he might not be that stupid.
Joe, it is not the majority. It is a very delicate situation that Holland is trying to handle/resolve/figure out.
Mayan Moons – #46 – Rudy is married to a Mansur (Jossy’s niece or cousin or something). Despite him (Rudy) being a devout catholic, he thought it was okay to get divorced and marry again… but he doesn’t want afford the people of Aruba those same choices.
Either way, the man is an idiot. Those of you wondering why no one (or very few people) on the island are reacting? He’s an idiot. There’s probably no reason to react. He’s crazy (oh, and by the way – in case this was confused along the way: he is soooo not considered Dutch).
http://tinyurl.com/2pu5rp
Jennifer; how do you know it’s not the majority? I’ve been reading some reactions on newspaper articles and I have to tell you that in general those people react in a way Joe describes (or worse)
I don’t know if the majority of the dutch people would be happy te get rid of aruba/antiles but it seems to me that the public in holland is sick and tired of the way Aruba/Antiles are governed by their own people. Too many scandals too much corruption. Such a pity…
Could it be that the islands are too small to have their own succesfull government? The people in power (government) seem to care only about themselves and their families.
I do understand that people in the former Dutch colonies would like (and have a right to) selfgovernance… but the way things go now… it just doesn’t seem to work.
Aruba and the Antilles are the result of the scandulous period of Dutch colonisation but that is way in the past now. Although that ‘colonisation ball’ still gets played.
Right now people in the Netherlands are fed up with having to have to pay for the mismanagement of the islands by their own governments. This mismanagement results in the disappearance of money and huge debts. These governments suposedly know how to run themselves but every time Holland has to bail them out. This coupled with a big influx of people from the islands to Holland with a criminal past and continuing their carreer over in Holland makes people pretty pissed off.
#79
“…This coupled with a big influx of people from the islands to Holland with a criminal past and continuing their carreer over in Holland makes people pretty pissed off.”
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Yes, Joe.
Exhibit “A” is joran van der sloot. The gang raping, video-making, case o’ beer drinking, sociopathic lying, gay role playing, friend garroting, in jail stayin’ for 120 days, murder suspect remaining, SON OF THE WORLD’S BIGGEST …
…SCUMBAG…
…The one and only: Paulus van der sloot. Who travels to and from the Netherlands on a whim.
They’re all yours.
.
#80
Like the US doesn’t have their criminals???
Yours are among the world’s most notorious and vicious!
Let every country have their criminals locked up in their own country. Although I prefer that the van der sloots would be locked up in Aruba -if ever convicted- because their prisons are far worse than ours.
BTW, today Croes said that Aruba DOES want to have ties with Holland. He kind of didn’t mean it that way. I guess they thought that the debt-bail-out cheque would otherwise not arrive.
Crackhead!
How about this for a theory. Paulus Van Der Sloot has an affair with Natalie (no disrespect meant for Natalie), witnesses put him in her presence on two seperate occassions. Later at Carlo’s and Charlie’s Joran see’s her, he is overcome with anger, drugs her, lures her to the car and they rape and kill her. Besides an accidental overdosing or accidental death, they needed a motive. Joran told his mother, “this would not have happened if you would have been home”. He had his own apartment (Joran) he could sneak out anytime he wanted, the control of anita and something never happening would have been directed more on Paulus Van Sloot. Also the Kalpoe brothers made comments about “your own father” in their police vehicle surveillance tapes. I think Paulus had a more direct involvement than most think, thus the made up story that the brother was home. So many lies including Paulus’s whereabouts and actions. I would like to see more of that casino video.
Crackhead!
Neither him nor anyone else in government has the power to proclaim Aruba’s independence from Holland?
Based on Aruba’s Referendum of Selfdetermination held since 1977 the People of Aruba gave their mandate for Aruba’s Independence! Aruba since then has the same right as the State of the Netherlands has to be an Independent country and a member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Please let me add:
Since August 1985, the Parliament of Aruba unanimously approved Aruba’s Sovereign Nationhood, approving and proclaiming unanimously Aruba’s State Constitution and Aruba’s Independence, sustained also officialy and formaly by the Netherlands and by the Netherlands Antilles Governments and Parliaments.
Then who were the scared monkeys???
NOT the Aruban People!
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