Diario Editorial: A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT … Anti-American too


Jossy Mansur fires back at MEP in his latest editorial in Diario, ‘UN BENDEPATRIA Y Jossy 1SU GOBIERNO ANTI-ARUBIANO! (2)’. Let’s see the MEP government go against Jossy for an editorial. News flash to MEP, an editorial is one’s opinion or is an opinion against free speech as well in Aruba? Jossy Mansur says it like it is, its just too bad that many in Aruba fail to have the courage or the spine to admit the truth.

“What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries …”

Jossy, don’t beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel? Of course we know he will. It is just too bad so many other Arubans cannot see the obvious. Hiding one’s head in the sand and turning your back on injustice is hardley an act of bravery.

We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT (2) (full English translation)

The truth can hurt when it’s exposed without circumlocution! What could have led the mediocrity of the MEP party lose their heads in such an ugly manner? Could it be the bribery of 1 million guilders? Is that what made them try to look for any distraction from this most shameful anti-Aruban act known in our history? Is it because Nel Oduber is searching for a way out of the atom-bomb that the Namdar offer exploded in his face, and that has converted Neldar in another victim that “can be bought and sold”?

Gentlemen, go ahead with your attempts to distract the attention from the offered bribery of the most shameful 1 million guilders that exists, and the delivery afterwards of our port to the same foreign group that put that money under the table! Is this or isn’t this the greatest demonstration of anti-Arubanism known until now? Must the Aruban continue on the path of the cross to get his rights, while the foreigners with money can just wave a few bills in their faces to at once get the permits or properties they want? Just consider all the cases that the most anti-Aruban government has lost in court so far! Two great doctors, real Arubans, Lacle and Posner, had to take the path of the cross to get their rights, and even so, are being politically persecuted until this day! Is this, or isn’t this one more demonstration of the most pathetic anti-Arubanism that exists?

Then Henny Eman and Otmar Oduber, another two Arubans with a long history of political persecution coming from the same Government and members of the MEP party, hungry for vengeance, moved by hate and rancor They too had to suffer years of political persecution, to finally obtain in Court for the truth to conquer the lies, the slanders, the ridiculous accusations, thrown at them by a Government that has characterized itself as mediocre and totally anti-Aruban! And we could go on and on to fill this whole paper with the long list of politically persecuted Arubans, just because they think different and want the good of their people and their island.

To expose the truth in a newspaper, on the radio or on television, has become for the anti-Arubans in power the cause for unbelievable hysterics, a drowning in a glass of water, and an attempt to hide the bribery offer of 1 million guilders with shouts coming from the handful of mediocrities at their disposal. Mister Neldar can turn and turn, trying to find any motive that can help him extract himself, but the 1 million guilders hang over his head like the accusation of a judge.

The day I said that Nel Oduber’s government is anti-American too, I came with the proofs to demonstrate it, but I left out a couple very painful for Nel, but since he again lost control over his tongue, here are more proofs: Natalee Holloway (American) and the American girl that his son mistreated and then wanted to rape in his own home! The father, a man from Panama, send me all the proofs, including clinical reports of physical abuse, and I didn’t publish them for discretions sake and for consideration of a person that does not deserve it.

What did Nel’s government do in the case of Natalee? Hide their heads in a hole like ostriches so as not to see the truth of what was happening, try to fire Jan and Karin because they did not belong to the group of political yes-men of his government; put the interest for American tourism money above the value of a human life; try to throw the blame on the family of the girl that disappeared, instead of going all-out against the three suspects who are responsible for the bad name Aruba got in other countries, and rightly so because those in power did not lift one finger to defend the victim, but went all out behind the curtain to make the family responsible for the negative image Aruba got, and not against the three suspects in whose company the girl disappeared. She too is an American!

Then his unbelievably stupid anti-American statements; the case of his own son who tried to rape an American girl in his own home! Now there is another American arrested because he pulled a gun against a person that attacked his wife, then committed destruction against her property. A government that has characterized itself as an Anti-American one with unquestionable concrete proofs.

But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights! For the foreigner with money? Everything! All they have to do is…let everyone complete the sentence for himself or herself, considering the bribery offer. And for the poor foreigners who come to Aruba with his or her work specialization, another road of the cross! A merciless persecution; an extraction of the little money that they have or can borrow, to obtain the papers for a permit that often never comes! Another inhuman persecution of those that did not come to commit acts against the law (like those that many of the delinquents around Nel did commit, some with judge’s sentences hanging over their heads!), but who came to Aruba to look for a better life and to contribute to our labor market with their talents and know-hows!

Nel Oduber has become a synonym for political persecution, for implacable hatred, for “can be bought and sold”, of 1 million guilders offered to a traitor willing to deliver our port in the hands of foreigners! This is a handing-over of the worst kind, of a dictatorial attitude never before seen on an island that always held its impeccable democracy in front of the eyes of the world for it to understand that in Aruba the empire of the Law is in command. We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

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    168 Responses to “Diario Editorial: A TRAITOR AND HIS ANTI-ARUBAN GOVERNMENT … Anti-American too”

    1. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 3:58 pm





    2. Sue on April 16th, 2007 4:04 pm

      You go Jossy, Tell it like it is .. You make us proud Jossy

    3. msmarple on April 16th, 2007 4:23 pm

      Do you want to help Jossy fight the MEP boycott against Diario? Go here …


      Oh, and THANKS, Jossy!

    4. Carpe Noctem on April 16th, 2007 4:34 pm

      Jossy Mansur has bigger nuts
      than that Mc Walnut Salad
      that pansy Paul Van der sloot
      likes so much from Mickey D’s!

      Kick ‘em in the BISCUITS, Jossy.

      If you can’t stand up for something…
      You will fall for anything!

      Now that is decent man right there. He fights
      for what he believes to be right, no matter
      how the odds are stacked. -j4n

    5. Bodo on April 16th, 2007 4:46 pm

      Jossy not real popular among the ranks of the MEP is he? I wonder why? :)

    6. hotshot on April 16th, 2007 4:48 pm

      All I can say is…….Go Jossy Go!!! You are the man!

    7. Observer on April 16th, 2007 5:19 pm

      Thank the lord for Jossy Mansur..MEP issued a boycott and he fired back. Doesn’t look like he is gonna back down to this corrupt,dirty lying Government. Shame the rest of Aruba is afraid to speak up.

    8. robots on April 16th, 2007 5:36 pm


    9. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 5:44 pm

      Where are all the sewer rats and trolls?~

    10. Kat_Gram :);) on April 16th, 2007 5:46 pm

      Jossy rocks .
      And Carpe, McWalnuts ? :) ;)
      Where do you come up with these sayings ?
      Love it !

    11. Carpe Noctem on April 16th, 2007 5:59 pm

      hiya kg!


      OK… Some questions.


      Why was Joran Van der sloot riding “shotgun”
      in the grey vehicle exiting THE ROCKS site
      ARU #38 shot on or about 6/10/2005?

      -see new photo enhancements



      2. Why was Paulus “Sponge Bob Skidpants” Van der sloot
      seen on Casino Video hitting on an 18 year old cutie
      named Natalee Holloway? Anita can you look at this
      picture and tell my why your poor excuse for a husband
      would be behaving that way while you were in Holland?



    12. Carpe Noctem on April 16th, 2007 6:25 pm



      50 pics from #38 added to the
      collection today.

    13. Allan K on April 16th, 2007 6:55 pm

      I agree with you Jossy.

      (a drowning in a glass of water) I especially liked that one Jossy but was it suicide too! Good humor and calling the Dutch on their lies. Exposing money changing hands.

      Expose the Dutch and free Natalee.

    14. Janet on April 16th, 2007 7:00 pm

      In regards to the Natalee Holloway case … this man of principle has never cowered from the “powers that be” in Aruba who have denied an eighteen year old American citizen justice and … the family of Natalee Holloway realize and appreciate his staunch support.
      Jossy … God Bless!
      Dave Holloway
      Dana Pretzer Show – Sept. 8, 2006
      HOLLOWAY: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they’re attacking him because he’s looking for — fighting for — the truth. That’s what a good journalist does — He’s going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth
      Jug Twitty
      Scared Monkeys FP – Dec. 5, 2006
      Beth Twitty
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’ – Sept. 14, 2005
      TWITTY: Well, you know, I’ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he’s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he’s my only hope on the island. And we’ll be forever grateful to him

    15. Observer on April 16th, 2007 7:15 pm



      50 pics from #38 added to the
      collection today.

      Comment by Carpe Noctem | April 16, 2007, 6:25 pm

      Sooo.. Who is driving that car carpe??

    16. buster on April 16th, 2007 7:44 pm

      One good man on the hole stinking island !!! Jossy is a saint over looking an island knows as hell, a place where pretty blonds dissapear an island full of cowpoo and urin………..
      Bless Natalee & Jossy

    17. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 8:20 pm

      Anyone have a bead on whats going on in Aruba today?
      With Jossy’s editorial and the Dutch Investigators there should be alot of buzzin going on.

    18. IndyDan on April 16th, 2007 8:53 pm

      So now its out in the open. Aruba and Nel do want their cake and eat it too. Please bring your almighty American tourism dollar to our Once Happy Island and expose your beautiful young daughters to our Shark feeding cesspool of boys, our sons, brought up on porn and rape.
      Some might escape, some won’t, the ones that don’t will have to decide if pressing charges is worth the hassle. And then one died and now the jig is up.
      Thanks Jossy.

    19. Sahara on April 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

      Hard to believe that they have not used the Virginia Tech tradgedy to release some less than popular info.

    20. Carpe Noctem on April 16th, 2007 9:29 pm

      Hey Observer.. what up, brohammus?

      Here’s your answer to #15.

      GREY CAR DRIVER @ “The Rocks” Aru #38






    21. ArubaZone on April 16th, 2007 10:12 pm

      We have a couple of questions for you, ever wondered why Jossy is not allowed to enter the US?

      Keep trusting him, he’s using you guys! Jossy must understand the mayority of the Arubian people do not trust him and his piece of paper. PM Nelson Oduber never covered up the Natalee Holloway investigation, go ask why Jan Van Der Straten and Karen Jansen didn’t step up the ante when they needed, if PM Oduber had the judicial powers there would ave been many behind bars, but in Aruba we have a separation of powers.

      “Cacho no ta come cacho” Go figure that one out! The Arubian people where behind Beth 100%, still you guys go right after us, it’s not us that committed the crime!

    22. Carpe Noctem on April 16th, 2007 10:53 pm

      Aruban Govt & police refuse to
      hold those three raping/killing
      carnivores accountable. I hate the fact that
      innocent people on the island have
      to pay dearly for that arrogant, dilapidated,
      serial lying, gunnysack of a$$
      Paulus Van der sloot!

      …but it was the only route left.

      All other routes were pursued before
      the boycott came about.

      It’s simple really. All Natalee’s family ever wanted
      was their daughter back dead or alive & the truth
      about what transpired that night.

      Now apply that last sentence to your family situation.

      > What if it was your mother, sister,
      or child.

      >What would you do?

      I’d be goin’ Kung Fu on somebody.

      The boycott was the only thing left,

    23. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 10:59 pm

      You weren’t behind Beth coz if you were you’d not have protested Beth and spread lies about Natalee and the family. Just shooove it (you know where)!

    24. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 11:08 pm

      I think the O’Goober’s other 2 sons are named Elson and Gilliam, i saw a pic of them flashing their gang signs.
      Were they involved with Natalee that night? hmmm

    25. mayan_moons on April 16th, 2007 11:23 pm

      Jossy has nothing to do with this boycott…..its still steam rolling right to ya. If you don’t like it…..well you know what to do.

    26. JusticeforNatalee on April 16th, 2007 11:32 pm

      #21 Arubazone,

      You finally admit that there was a crime committed against Natalee and that she didn’t just magically vanish into the atmosphere. You are making progress.

      Now, if Oduber didn’t cover up, who did? And just who ARE all these people who would be in prison right now if Oduber had his way?

      Take a look at comment #18. It sums things up pretty well.

      No justice/no tourists. Word is getting out about Aruba.
      The truth is coming out. Freedom of the press, REAL freedom of the press in the United States is going to sack your island.

      You have a responsibility to protect tourists who are spending money on your island.

      American tourists owe you nothing. We work very hard for our money and we will vacation where we please. And we will vacation where we believe that if “something bad” happened to us or a loved one, the truth would be told and we would have justice.

    27. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 16th, 2007 11:44 pm

      Jossy, Jossy,

      If you only knew the times I have doubted you— but you have towed the line. You have entered the oven and come out with your hair unsigned, and smelling uncooked. Hang in there. If you could only tell all you know or rather all you suspect. We could all learn a thing or two from you. But then again, there is always some cheap hire lawyer who might try to collect 50 thousand dollars from you. But, the cheap hire is not the worst worry; living on an island with a bunch of Indians all hungry for you scalp is.


    28. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 12:00 am

      Nelson O’duber….Prime Minister of Aruba has sons who are rapists just like the sweaty Sloots. Well Well Well

      I’m not suprised as i’ve wondered many times if it were true. Well we now have confirmation that it is true and i suggest we shoot off some letters and emails & phone calls to all the media that covered Natalee.

      This my friend IS news!

    29. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 12:16 am

      The Media can interview Jossy about his editorial which will accomplish several goals. One…..Jossy can tell them and show his proof to back up that Oduber the dictator’s sons have a history of rape to American girl. The American public & the media need to know what kind of country is being run over there and that the reason they never wanted to arrest the guilty is coz his own son’t do the same thing.

    30. JusticeforNatalee on April 17th, 2007 12:26 am

      P.S. Arubazone,

      Just to clarify what I am talking about:

      There needs to be truth and justice in Natalee’s case.
      There can’t just be: “Well, we really really tried but we just don’t know what happened and are closing the case.”

      You know why? No one will believe it!
      And the American media will expose the coverup and corruption.

      Truth and Justice: Aruba’s best options

    31. Patti on April 17th, 2007 1:36 am

      Way t’ Go Justice!!!

      That’s what we want…

      Truth and Justice

      No more lies,

      No more now you see it,

      now you don’t….

      And no more short shots

      at justice with a system

      that doesn’t work…

      Screw the “Good ol’ Boys Club”

      Line ‘em up and give ‘em

      what they deserve…

      How long is Aruba going to take the back seat to people that
      do more to harm that island than they ever have done to help
      it? You disappear an innocent girl from America, and cry
      when we say we’re never coming back… while the very ones
      that support you are selling you off, behind your backs to
      the next highest bidder. How does it feel to be on the
      receiving end of the corruption?

      You thought it was real funny that an American family went
      home, dry and thirsting for justice. I guess it’s not so
      funny now that you are the ones being sold out… right?
      Knowing you, you’ll probably support your crooked old
      government out of pure ignorance.

      How Silly… they say.

      Their own government is boycotting them…

      and they’re sitting there like a bunch of chicken hawks…

      “Ahhhhhhh, Him? He ain’t so bad”

      Light the Fires…

      Pound the Drums….

      Let’s get Happy!!!!


      Boycott, Aruba… before
      there is nothing left
      worth saving.

    32. Patti on April 17th, 2007 2:30 am

      Ohhhh, by the way….

      If you’re thinking that all those fancy hotels and shopping
      centers are going to make a difference… take a long, hard
      look at Cuba… all those fancy hotels they built with the
      help of American dollars have turned to dust and over 97%
      of their people live in poverty, today. 11 million people,
      scrounging through garbage cans for food… enslaving
      their sons and daughters to sex tourism, just to get by.
      That’s how fast an economy can turn south on you, due to
      the actions of a corrupt tyrant heading their government.
      And, if you believe in him and support him… he doesn’t
      need to have a revolution… only an election.

      Turn out the Lights…

      Silence the Drums…


      And, Take a Look Around…

      Would your sons be given a get out of jail free card? Are
      you better off today, than you were three years ago? Is
      the plight of the homeless being dealt with and their needs
      being met… or are they viewed as just another victim to
      the corruption that everyone sees but doesn’t want to admit?
      Is that where your future lies… or that of your children?
      Is democracy based on your right to vote, or are there other
      rights that come with it, as well? Are they being securely
      placed or are those rights taking a back seat as well, to
      the unspoken order of things… how much money you have, to
      whom you were born or the company that you keep? I emplore
      you… do your homework and find the truth for yourselves.

      The truth shall set you free…

    33. Richard on April 17th, 2007 6:46 am

      I understand that the State Department is reviewing these and other charges and is considering issuing a warning about tourism to Aruba. I’m not too hopeful that it will come to pass, simply because it would upset so many apple carts (now,there’s an obsolete figure of speech) in the airline, hotel and tourism industries.

      But it seems that events are headed for a showdown in Aruba.
      And it’s hard to imagine that they can ever put Humpty Dumpty back together; i.e., nobody will ever again believe their crap about “one safe happy island” or whatever the nonsense is.

      With all this going on, folks, those people who CAN make the Miami Beach protest PLEASE DO. It’s the chance to walk the walk … every leaflet you hand out is helping expose the Aruba Tourism Authority for what it really is.

      Every doubt you put in people’s minds … “Hmm, I wonder if Aruba really is a good place to go” may be the closest thing to lifesaving you’ve ever done. Not to mention a good deed in itself.

      Want to go to the Caribbean? Choose another beach, not Aruba’s. Is that so much of a sacrifice?

      Appear at the Miami Beach protest! Stand up for Natalee!

    34. Richard on April 17th, 2007 6:48 am

      Isn’t it odd … we haven’t heard from Spencer Bachus lately. I wonder if he still thinks that Aruba is doing everything it can in the Natalee Holloway investigation?

    35. tex on April 17th, 2007 7:04 am

      well, its been almost two years and the aruban gov’t was just really smug on “just give us a chance, you will see justice done” and they did nothing. so i guess in a few weeks/months the case will be closed, the suspects free. for a year the suspects and all of their helpers will celebrate. then as described in the bible the natural laws of cosmology/universe will slowly begin to take affect in a very subtle way, difficult to understand, comprehend or even recognize. in the next few years we will read about unfortunate and bizarre accidents to those associated with or on the side of the suspects, and against the family of natalee.

    36. MikeToo on April 17th, 2007 7:21 am

      #21 – That is just another example of spreading rumors based upon what you want to believe and it has nothing to do with the truth. Jossy Mansur frequently comes to the U.S. and spends months at a time here.

      There are some visa issues, but those do not inhibit his travels to this country.

    37. minnesota dad on April 17th, 2007 9:43 am


      However, do not be surprised if they declare it closed TODAY. With the VA Tech story taking, and will continue to take for a week, ALL of our media lemmings, Aruba might make a run for it.

      As we all recall, they have pulled this stunt before when New Orleans was demolished by Katrina. If I recall, Paulus’ Black Robed buddy from Curacao not allowed J2k to be realease, but also released without conditions. Before the media had caught on, Joran was whisked out of Aruba — get rid of a part of the cancer and all of the cancer will go away? Not.

      I do not think Aruba would have a better time to close the case up….then today. Let’s see if they are that corrupt! md

    38. dennisintn on April 17th, 2007 10:41 am

      #34, is it political contribution time again? if it is, bachus may feel the need to rehash the failure of aruba to solve natalee’s disappearance. have some arubans carrying checkbooks over to assure everyone during photo ops that aruba has every intention of solving the crimes against natalee and that every single aruban stands behind beth’s fight for justice for natalee. personally, i’d feel much better facing the arubans than having them on my blind side, considering their actions so far. with “friends” like the arubans who populate some of the sites here, you don’t need enemies.

    39. Word Warfarin on April 17th, 2007 11:08 am


      Aruba, Encourage the Dutch Investigators to solve the crime.

      Aruba, Stop the propaganda.

      Aruba, Shut down the Liar’s Club.

      Aruba, Tell the Truth.

      Aruba, Time is not on your side.

      44 Days, tick–another minute gone by.

    40. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 11:48 am


      Would that surpise us if Aruba would try to do this. Like thieves in the night.

    41. Edward on April 17th, 2007 1:10 pm


      I am behind anything it takes to shake the power figures that moved to block a proper investigation and resulting arrests in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway…

      Even the Mansur group !!..lol..Did I just say that??

      You shake the Island Hard Jossy !!.. :}
      Prove your accusations about members of this government..!!

      If there are Human traffickers in this group we want to know..
      If there are rapists we want to know..
      If there are Drug lords in the group we want to know..
      We want to know who the tight group of friends consists of..

      But more then us, prove it to the Aruban citizen..

      I just hope the Dutch investigators are looking and not part of the Oduber plan..

      Go get that man that said..
      We have her! and then ..
      Oh wait, I guess we don’t..

      Oduber started the disinformation campaign !!! Get Him !

    42. Carpe Noctem on April 17th, 2007 1:24 pm



      If Hurricane Katrina didn’t do it… I don’t think there is a chance in hell anything will divert us from working on getting Justice 4 Natalee.

      …and why, why, WHY?

      >Why do we not get diverted?

      >Why do we refuse to give up?

      The answer is surprisingly very simple.

      What happened to Natalee in Aruba, by the gang-raping,
      murderous, serial lying VAN DER SLOOT and KALPOE
      F-I-L-T-H was so GLARINGLY WRONG, that turning
      our backs on getting justice for this child
      would be a crime in and of itself.

      What happened to Natalee and her family needs
      to be uncovered for the world to see. The
      world needs to see exactly what the
      “ARUBAN EXPERIENCE” is all about!

      …and ain’t it a crying shame that the
      four imbeciles that participated in the
      crimes on Nat aren’t even
      the ‘real deal’ – true Aruban
      blood! They are whining two-bit POSERS. -j4n

    43. Carpe Noctem on April 17th, 2007 1:25 pm

      But, soft! What light through them thar over yonder winder breaks?

      Looking East to a Chito, I ask of thee…

      An Oduber house maid, did not thine lowly knave so unpleasingly did diddle?

      Where for art thou now Arubian Romeo?

      Holler if ya hear us, beyotch!!! =)


      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY. (nothing less)

    44. Telly on April 17th, 2007 1:29 pm

      I live in Miami Beach.This is a diverse city that accepts all and has 3 direct flights a day to Aruba.Your “boycott” or “protest”will be a failure.Try Charlotte or Biloxi.

    45. Carpe Noctem on April 17th, 2007 1:48 pm
    46. Carpe Noctem on April 17th, 2007 2:38 pm

      44 – Telly Savales

      Hey Kojak,

      If it wasn’t
      working WELL you wouldn’t
      be here with your panties
      all tied in a knot.


      Who loves ya, baby?

      (insert lollipop)

    47. Observer on April 17th, 2007 3:07 pm

      Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told the AP that one of the men admitted that “something bad has happened he confessed” and was leading police late Friday night to the scene.

      He grinned and nodded his way through an interview on “48 Hours”, he proclaimed that “Those boys are as guilty as hell”,

      And I regret that the family or Mrs. Twitty tried to throw us off track, but I am steadfast.

      During initial interrogation sessions, the three suspects began to reveal details about her fate. “Both Deepak and Joran admitted they saw Natalee naked,” said a source close to the case.

      “They described her pubic hair – or lack thereof – and her underwear.

      “Joran said all three of them had gone back to his home with Natalee and that he had sex with her there. Satish and Deepak told the cops Natalee was going in and out of consciousness, a sign she’d been drugged and not a willing participant in the sex act

      David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

      However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a “misinformation campaign.”

      Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: “That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That’s what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

    48. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 3:18 pm

      Hey Nelson this is worse then telling what happened, it would have been limited to the three suspects, NOW you, your high up buddies and you whole island are now suspects.
      Hows that for damage to your island.

      Out of your own mouth Nelson…..
      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean. (not no more, thanks to Nelson)

    49. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 3:21 pm

      Like inviting the FBI to your island, to OBSERVE…..

      Crying how much it cost, then turning away or denying help from the FBI, Equisearch and others. Yeah that sounds like damage control….You tripped over your own tongue .
      Yet you perfume the pig.

    50. Rob on April 17th, 2007 3:29 pm

      Observer- The wrong sample was sent to Holland because the car was in the possession of Dirty Hand Ed Comemencia.. that sum gum switch the samples and then Jansen got a smack down for deliberately taking a DNA samples from J2K without a court order, which she knew would void the a new request for additional samples. I contend it WAS Comemencia that PLACED THE CLEANING FLUID AND CHOCOLATE IN THE CAR TO THROW OFF THE FBI. That mixture would look like blood. Remember the Kalpoe car was spic and span after the 30th of May.

      Beth gave a DNA sample on 6-12-2005 and they must have had something to compare it with. No one takes DNA without first having something to compare it to and a control sample.

      And these are the same police that brag that they have had FBI training at Quantico and always follow the letter of the law… rubbish!!!!

    51. vicki on April 17th, 2007 4:14 pm

      You know all of the lies that have come out of SATANS Island, you would be inhumane to go there… Im just waiting for another American tourists to have some crime commited against them…then the you know what is gonna hit the fan…I am so thru with this place….and guess what.. Miami is so ready to help us. I have lots of clients down there that will never go to that foul pigstie.

    52. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 4:54 pm

      LOL at Cuckoo in Da Coconut!~

    53. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 4:56 pm

      Yeah Miss-U….Inviting the FBI to observe and then speak in Dutch DOH!~

    54. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 4:59 pm

      O’Goober saying that on the Radio was THE MOST illadvised decision he could make. Just the FBI getting there so quickly shows there was an urgent level of concern on their part, that they wanted to do right by Natalee, Beth and Dave!

    55. dennisintn on April 17th, 2007 6:12 pm

      #50, i recall that janssen had a court order for the dna samples and j2k’s lawyers filed filed in court saying the court order was imperfect, and was ruled so. it was the issuing judge that had made an obvious error in it somehow or another. shouldn’t be too hard to find in the archives somewhere. just another prime example of how hard paulus and j2k was trying to be helpful in getting to the truth of the matter. another prime example of paulus lying through his teeth again, and thwarting the investigation. wonderful people, the pariahs of the caribbean.

    56. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 6:56 pm


      In the immortal words of the island defender.

      “you dun’t understand our system”
      We collected the dna first, then we have a reason to find the victim,,,,,doesn’t all of Aruba’s antics preceed the norm. 10 days after we bring em in…dna, even before we have a body….ooops Paulus did I say dat?

      What a joke….Dompig, they are guilty….then. then…you flap the jaws and say the Natalee did her self in with drug…..then ooopppss Michael, son #?, opens his yapper and of course you say he didn’t mean it, just he was just ummmm talking crap…..

      Well the crap is from the ALE….trying to spoon feed the general public with you crap….so Aruba trys the business as usual….Natalee who? Ain’t werkin piggy’s..


    57. LilPuma on April 17th, 2007 7:13 pm

      Don’t know what I can add that hasn’t been said, but I’ll try. :-) Harold Copus, former FBI agent, said they were threatened while on the island of Aruba and told to stop investigating the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Dave Holloway arrives in Aruba and the police know nothing of a missing tourist but DO know there are Americans busting up crack houses. Dennis Jacobs tells Dave they put drugs in drinks at C&C. A hotel employee tells Beth that Joran van der Sloot preys on tourists. Yet Arubans, who are 100% behind Beth Twitty, protest Nancy Grace and Beth Twitty. Why? Because American $$$$ means more to you than we do. You got it backwards Aruba. Nailing those who drug and rape tourists would be good for tourism. Joran said they did it many times before and nothing bad happened. This time, something bad happened but they couldn’t call 911. Why? Having a judge and prosecutor holding the hand of Paulus van der Sloot during a DELAYED search of his home and changing the search warrant on the spot is bad for tourism. Aruba, you said you believe in your system, let ALE do their job. We saw how they did their job and your system is only as good as those who administer and enforce it. We saw their corruption. We saw their disdain. We heard their accusations against the victim and her family.

      Jossy loves Aruba and whether you agree with him or not, he’s speaking out against what he believes is wrong in Aruba. And we’ve seen there’s plenty wrong with Aruba. You don’t have to defend what Jossy says, but for goodness sakes, Aruba, DEFEND HIS RIGHT TO SAY IT. If you don’t, you might as well start bowing to Chavez now. Oh, maybe you already are and that’s what we’ve been seeing. Shhhh, don’t talk about Holloway, don’t say anything bad about Aruba, boycott Jossy because we don’t like his opinions. Most of all, don’t say anything about those young boys preying on tourists, blame the tourists. Especially the American ones.

    58. Carpe Noctem on April 17th, 2007 7:27 pm

      Rob says:
      “Beth gave a DNA sample on 6-12-2005 and they must have had something to compare it with. No one takes DNA without first having something to compare it to and a control

      *************** Right. *********************

      Ding ding ding ding! SURVEY SAYS: GOOD ANSWER.

      100 percent “on point”,Rob.

      …and to think that they took some of the DNA
      to match with Natalee’s for confirmation, but they
      will not give her family the answers that they
      so deperately seek…

      LIKE THAT?

      As far as I’m concerned, at this point, I could care
      less if someone smoked the whole damn island
      to the ground.

      Many would consider it a COMMUNITY

      Aruba is quite literally a
      veritable “Hell on Earth.”

      Aruba, a country where they’ll rape & murder your
      children, throw them away in a trash bin, and then

      *** here is the most egregious part ***

      …have the effing AUDACITY to let the
      perp carnivores that committed the
      act walk free.

      —j4n – On with the boycott,
      and drop it like it’s hot.


      Justice 4 Natalee Holloway



    59. Richard on April 17th, 2007 7:39 pm

      I forget now, but was it none other than Spencer Bachus who early in the investigation said that the FBI went in there so early because there was reason to believe that this was more than an ordinary crime? Or something like that….

      Has that statement passed into the limbo of vanished words?

    60. IndyDan on April 17th, 2007 8:55 pm

      #57 LilPuma,
      Well said, there really only seems to be one voice of reason and that’s Jossy.
      All the corrupt players are comfortable with their role.
      The Dompigs and the like are OK, taking on new careers hoping to gain on their notoriety.
      They are all satified that this horrible crime committed by the VanDerSloots that have somehow worked to their own personal benefit that they buy into the initial attitude that “It’s just one Girl”

    61. Rob on April 17th, 2007 9:09 pm

      Confirmed Death Threats : It’s time you all know.

      1 : Beth Twitty

      2 : Dave Holloway

      3: Jamie Skeeters. God Rest his Soul.

      $. T.J. Ward.


    62. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 9:29 pm
    63. IndyDan on April 17th, 2007 9:48 pm

      Nice link MU
      Maybe we should ask for an update on his comments.

    64. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 9:59 pm

      U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

      “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

    65. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 10:04 pm

      Indy- good idea, since we are coming up the 11th. hour here maybe we should find out what he is planning on doing to help the family of Natalee Holloway?

    66. Miss-Underestimated on April 17th, 2007 10:08 pm

      Also in a separate meeting with the Arubans – from the FBI – were Chris Gregorski, Acting Chief Violent Crimes Section, and Chip Burrus, Deputy Assistant Director of Criminal Investigation Division.

      snippet from Bachus statement, note VIOLENT CRIMES SECTION
      What does that say about what happened to Natalee?

    67. Allan K on April 17th, 2007 10:09 pm

      Did somebody tell old Bachus that some of the Aruban’s delegation were related to some of the suspects or person’s of interest. I think not. Yeah, Bachus has been a real powerhouse in this case.{sarcasm) He is really up to date on this case.

    68. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 10:23 pm

      How can Baccus make comments like that, leave them hanging in the air nye on 2 years and not explain what the hell he was talking about?

    69. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 10:33 pm

      When was Dave threatened?

      These clowns think they they can’t be touched spewing all their rot whilst on the island, maybe one day they will learn otherwise.

    70. JusticeforNatalee on April 17th, 2007 10:53 pm

      “You got it backwards Aruba. Nailing those who drug and rape tourists would be good for tourism.”

      Good point #57


    71. dennisintn on April 17th, 2007 10:53 pm

      #62, this thing read like bs when they released it, and it still reads like bs.

    72. Rob on April 17th, 2007 10:57 pm

      MM- I am telling you the truth. These are real threats.

      Dave told me point blank ~ ‘I want to live to see my other kids grow up’.

      Do you think for one minute I would make that up?

      These are real threats against the Family and that alone can not stand.

      This is as real as a heart attack. I would never lie or stretch the truth about something like this.

      I am only telling you and everyone else because this is not imaginary like some would like you to believe.

      IT’S REAL.

    73. Roy on April 17th, 2007 11:17 pm

      #68…We would be in full agreement. I’d be curious as to whom or what shut him up.
      #66…I would think it tells alot…like for example they knew way back then what had happened to Natalee after C&C’s. I hope the circus route paid dividends.

    74. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 11:24 pm

      No Rob….i didn’t think you were making it up. Sorry if it came off that way. Dave is such a good man with the patience of JOB, i just wanted to know when he was threatened, while on the island ro phone.

    75. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 11:28 pm

      I know Beth got a threatning phone call while still on the island….right?

    76. mayan_moons on April 17th, 2007 11:31 pm

      Rob…..i would put NOTHING past these inbreds who explained to Greta that even though half the island has the same last name…..they weren’t related.

      you know like the Smith’s

      remember that bs?

    77. Observer on April 17th, 2007 11:49 pm

      Also in a separate meeting with the Arubans – from the FBI – were Chris Gregorski, Acting Chief Violent Crimes Section, and Chip Burrus, Deputy Assistant Director of Criminal Investigation Division.

      snippet from Bachus statement, note VIOLENT CRIMES SECTION
      What does that say about what happened to Natalee?

      Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 17, 2007, 10:08 pm

      Aruban authorities suspected Guido Wever of “assisting in the murder, battery and kidnapping of Natalee Holloway.”

      Paulus Van der Sloot was arrested on the suspicion of premeditated murder

      Joran Vander Sloot arrested for suspicion of premeditated murder and rape

      Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified “other people,” in premeditated murder and rape

      Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt was arrested for suspicion of heavy battery premeditated murder, rape and kidnapping

      How did they come up with “Heavy Battery”??…

    78. Patti on April 18th, 2007 12:13 am

      I wouldn’t be a bit surprised that these people make death threats. Afterall, that’s the way they have gotten into power and have stayed in power, by threatening either in a political way, and if that doesn’t work, in a physical way. There’s no doubt in my mind about that. I will take you at your word, Rob. I know that’s not something you would make up.

      Saddly, anyone that’s close to the investigation, including Arubeans, I’m sure, are threatened. Look what happened to all the witnesses that came forward… They have either been deported, have fallen silent because of threats made against them or have disappeared.

      The people of Aruba know who’s in control of their island. They know how much power these people have; and, instead of being heroic, just like Jossy say’s, they stick their heads in the sand. Perhaps, that’s why many of those witnesses were Columbian.

    79. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 12:20 am

      The only way they could call it heavy battery is that they saw Natalee’s little body.

      The premeditated murder charge shows they found evidence and or witness’s or both showing intent on kidnapping via emails phone calls, maybe the preparation like they were seen buying duct tape at a store and were seen doing it.

    80. minnesota dad on April 18th, 2007 12:24 am

      Seems to me, the only way you can come up with “heavy battery” is if you have some very solid evidence or statements. Someone who understands Dutch Law want to explain this??? (crickets chirping….)

      Why would Guido lawyer up with the most expensive lawyer in Europe?

      It’s more than clear….they have all the evidence and know exactly what happened that evening (they being Aruban justice officials). md



      P.s. Red/Klaasand…Could we not have a Countdown to Cover-up Completion “clock” on the front page of SM??? I believe it would send a nice message that we are all fully aware of the Aruban cover-up to protect Paulus and J2K. It is well past the time that we can count on the 10 Dutch Investigators to do what is right….we know this is just a game and they are playing out the clock.

    81. LilPuma on April 18th, 2007 12:28 am

      77. Observer. To answer your question. I’m not a trained professional like ALE, but I’d guess that the Prosecutor knew that Natalee Holloway died, not from drugs and alcohol, but from an out of control temper belonging to Joran van der Sloot. That’s just a shot in the dark, though. As I said, I’m not a top notch investigator and I’m not being paid to keep my mouth shut and no one has threatened me or my family if I say anything bad about the van der Sloots or Aruba.

    82. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 12:33 am

      Premeditated murder shows plans being made before Natalee was drugged and kidnapped. As i said maybe they were buying things that they knew they were gonna use to restrain Natalee. And these punks including Paul are so cocky they may have mentioned what they intended to do to someone or alluding to doing *SOMETHING BAD* without going into the gory details.

    83. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 12:35 am

      I bet Jurine posted he & his dad’s intentions on that site Paul took down at breakneck speed.

    84. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 12:43 am

      Good Idea MD!

    85. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 12:58 am

      Hey Richard!

      Could you post the email contact to donate to the Miami Protest?


    86. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 1:11 am

      Yeah they had to see Natalee’s broken little body to call it heavy battery meaning they beat her. Notice heavy battery is charged in conjunction with the charge murder, meaning they saw evidence that the murder didn’t die from the battery but of another means…..like a gunshot maybe two shot in her head in places where there’s no doubt that an accidental shot happened, she was shot in a place where there is no doubt they wanted Natalee to die, that place is right between the eyes.

    87. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 1:17 am

      Let me clarify that post abit…..i meant that although these bastards beat her evidence showed that isn’t what killed her. They saw Natalee died from gunshot wounds and there’s NO WAY they happened by accident coz one of them was between her eyes.

    88. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 1:29 am

      Another thing this heavy battery tells us is that Natalee was concious and aware of what these monsters were doing to her. There’s no need to beat and battery a person who is unconcious…..is there?

    89. Observer on April 18th, 2007 1:55 am

      MM- I am telling you the truth. These are real threats.

      Dave told me point blank ~ ‘I want to live to see my other kids grow up’.

      Do you think for one minute I would make that up?

      These are real threats against the Family and that alone can not stand.

      This is as real as a heart attack. I would never lie or stretch the truth about something like this.

      I am only telling you and everyone else because this is not imaginary like some would like you to believe.

      IT’S REAL.

      Comment by Rob | April 17, 2007, 10:57 pm

      Anyone who wasnt planted as part of the coverup or mis-information campaign was intimated. First they organized a protest vs beth. Then threatened her that they would drop the case..So she was forced to apologize. No doubt they threatened Dave and Beth as it was the only way to get them off the island.

      Remember Beth’s attorney had her tires slashed. That was the same time the three teen girls were gonna come forward and testify vs Joran for rape. They never followed through either. If they werent intimadated they had to be hand held to give there story to the ALE. Some like the jogger never came forward again.

    90. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 2:53 am

      Again…..i don’t doubt for a minute that threats were made and intimidation of those on Aruba to keep their mouth shut. Who could ever forget the brave young girls who did come forward against Jurine…..very brave of them.

      Beth said on tv that she got a call while still on the island that was threatening asking her when she’s leaving.

      What i was wondering is when was Dave get threats? Was he still on the island….did they threat by phone like Beth was….was it when Dave’s book came out?

    91. Richard on April 18th, 2007 6:48 am

      Not only has Spencer Bachus been silent, his last comments that I remember were to say that Aruba was doing all that it could on the case. Wonder if he’d repeat that?

      We should also bear in mind that apparently porn videos were downloaded onto the vdS computer on the same night Natalee went missing. The media thinking on that seems to have been that Joran did that after coming home.

      As I recall, they were supposedly downloaded by Joran … but anyone who knows a sign-in name, etc., can use it. So that doesn’t prove anything.

      Suppose Freddy, whose own lawyer has admitted that he filmed underage girls, and other Pimps were abusing Natalee and were busy filming away in Joran’s apartment when Paulus stumbled on the scene? Maybe Freddy or some of the others were trying to recall a “favorite scene” from the movie as guidance?

      Or suppose that Natalee was coming out of her drug-induced “in and out of consciousness” state and began screaming and demanding to be taken back to her hotel?

      This is all hypothetical, but suppose the commotion got Paulus’ attention, who came on the scene (something that the Pimps didn’t expect) and saw that they had a captive American girl who would certainly NOT be cowed or threatened like the Arubans.

      What then?

      “I appreciate your position, but please understand that I would do anything for my son.”

      Paulus would know then that there was no turning back. It was either do the decent thing … help Natalee, call the police, and turn in his son … or protect his son at whatever cost.

      So Natalee was bound and gagged and moved elsewhere while PvdS tried to decide what to do? Forcible injection of heroin to kill her? Selling her to someone who would take her off the island with guarantees that she wouldn’t come back? Or something else?

      This is all hypothetical, and I hope it isn’t what happened. But it’s another possibility.

      “I would do anything for my son.” I’ll bet … and to save your own sorry butt. Let’s hope we get answers … and in the meantime, BOYCOTT ARUBA.

    92. msmarple on April 18th, 2007 6:58 am

      mayan & other monkeys – here is an email addy, where you can get info re. the Miami ATA demo at the end of April.


      Also – info at the SM Forum here:

    93. vicki on April 18th, 2007 10:18 am

      Klaas, i havent heard from Tom or red as far as getting onto the inside…Can you help?
      thanks MsMarple…


      SM:   I just sent Red a reminder   – I thought he set you up the other day, he asked about it.   Hopefully he’ll set you up today.   Sorry about that.   Yes, MsMarples is wonderful ;)   (klaasend)

    94. JusticeforNatalee on April 18th, 2007 10:48 am

      Here’s another take on the ticking clock idea:

      Justice or Cover-Up
      Which Will It Be?

    95. JusticeforNatalee on April 18th, 2007 11:55 am

      HOT HOT HOT from Easy’s blog

      This is not a translation of the DIARIO article, but rather a summary.


      This is the latest information we received from reliable sources. It says that Holland is extremely interested in the Holloway case and the Namdar bribery case. They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here.

      The severe criticisms we outed with regards to both cases has apparently hit home and we can expect some serious actions soon. Holland cannot afford to sit by idly and let a part of the Kingdom go to pots. And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

      If the Aruban population cannot rely on a true separation of Trias Politica (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)than we are in for some social upheavals that can very easily get out of hand, considering the presence of more than 18,000 illegals and about the same number of latin-americans that are now in Aruba. They are more accustomed to ‘heating’ the streets than are the Arubans. And that, Holland cannot and will not tolerate.

      I am glad that we are getting that kind of help from Holland because the way both cases have been handled by the local authorities stinks!

    96. msmarple on April 18th, 2007 12:06 pm

      I’ll leave this for JFN to post, but bottom line – MORE investigators are coming from Holland! To investigate both the Holloway case and the bribery case. This per today’s Diario.

    97. JusticeforNatalee on April 18th, 2007 12:24 pm

      Ms. Marple,

      Feel free to post whatever info you find

      I just post it when I read it

    98. Carpe Noctem on April 18th, 2007 12:28 pm

      Here is the Casino Black
      Jack Table (and drinks shot)


    99. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 4:17 pm

      If this is true it is a good thing for Aruba, seeing is believing though and i’ll take this with a grain of salt. Make no mistake though Holland…..we ARE watching.

    100. Carpe Noctem on April 18th, 2007 5:05 pm

      I brake for

      Scary Spice! =)

      Boycott Aruba



    101. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 5:35 pm

      Are there articles in Holland newspapers talking about Aruba and the criminals who run it or is this reporting only in Aruba?

    102. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 5:38 pm

      Good day Carpe!

      hey where’s all the sewer rats & trolls? not that i miss them but the fact they are not here maybe means the chit really is hitting the fan!

    103. Maggie on April 18th, 2007 6:06 pm

      Just a few excerpts from Vanity Fair of things that Joran said to them.. Later on Greta he says he won’t talk to the police after he lied repeatedly to them, he don’t trust them, but then encourages people with info to come forward to the police with any and all information they have.. What a nut.

      Vanity Fair…

      Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers’ lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home. During weeks of questioning, the Kalpoes backed up his new story.

      “Once we got a statement from Joran that [Natalee] passed out several times while he was sexually fondling her, we thought we had something,” Dompig says. Under Dutch law, this could be viewed as sex without consent; anyone who enabled the crime could be judged an accessory. “We tried Deepak and Satish with that point; someone passed out in the back of your car, you’re an accessory,” Dompig says. “We were doing this to apply pressure. We felt Satish was the weakest link. We wanted to squeeze Satish. Deepak wants to protect Satish. But when we put that pressure on, it didn’t work. Deepak is too strong.”

      Dompig says, “nobody knows what time he got home.” Nor is it clear how he got there. “He says he walked,” Dompig continues, a distance of about two miles. “That is very unlikely.”

      The tennis shoes Joran wore that night have never been found, which police find suspicious. Another missing item involves a break-in that night at one of the low-slung fisherman’s huts that line the beach north of the Marriott. Reported taken were a machete and perhaps a lobster trap. The police do not have a single witness who claims to have seen Joran that morning.

      VAN SUSTEREN: When you left her that night, were there any people around who might have seen something? You make the plea for people to come forward. Did you see anybody in the immediate area?

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, that’s exactly what I said. I mean, there were couples there on the beach. I mean, you know, please, come forward. You know, talk to the police. There was a couple that walked by when we were there on the beach. I mean, it’s not – it’s not like it’s a deserted beach. It’s a crowded area where there’s a lot of people. You know, just come forward and talk to the – you know, tell the police everything you know. It’s just very important.

      VAN DER SLOOT: No. They have all the surveillance and they have all the phone calls and all the – all that stuff they have. And you know, that’s all – that’s all been looked by them, as well. (INAUDIBLE) all that’s – you know, that can help solve this case is, you know, the person that knows something to come forward and talk to the police. I mean, it’s just important for everyone, so everyone can move on with their life.

      VAN SUSTEREN: Are you willing to talk more to the police, to Karin Janssen, if they ask you?

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, I’m not – I’m not going to talk to the police anymore. I mean, I’ve – they put me through a lot, as well, you know? And they were trying to solve the case, but I don’t trust the police anymore, either. I don’t trust the police here anymore, either.

      VAN SUSTEREN: How about the prosecutor, Karin Janssen?

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think she has a personal – you know, I don’t think – I think she took this case personal from the beginning, and she didn’t like me at all. And I mean, you know, I won’t talk to anyone, any of them.

    104. Maggie on April 18th, 2007 6:14 pm

      So many contradictions so few aspirin.. This one is about 7 sentences apart from each other on Greta’s interview..

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did the police ever say to you anything about Deepak and Satish?

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, I mean the police themselves, you know, I think they always felt that we were – we were guilty I think and I still think most of the police here do think that. And, you know, they will always put – they put so much, you know, pressure on us and, you know, interrogating us for hours at a time, lying to you, I mean coming into the room saying, “OK, we found – we found her body and your fingerprints on it (INAUDIBLE).”

      VAN DER SLOOT: But I mean at that – you know, you were like, the police was telling you, oh yes, Deepak and Satish are trying to make up a story against you. They’re trying to get you, you know, they’re trying to get you screwed and just at that point (INAUDIBLE).

    105. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 6:21 pm

      Hey Maggie!

      I bet Jurine has never told the truth in his whole life. I’d forgotton he said Karin J didn’t like him & was taking it personal. Whats that mean & what was it that he said about Karin in the police car?

    106. JusticeforNatalee on April 18th, 2007 6:44 pm

      102 Mayan

      I guess it’s hard for the Sloots to hide under the bed and post at the same time.

    107. Carpe Noctem on April 18th, 2007 7:09 pm


      I don’t think the TROLLS can
      stand up to us any longer.

      “If you can’t stand the heat?” ;)










      hi klaas,

      I plugged in the date JUNE 9th, 2007

      as D-DAY for the Aruba Case.

      That is what I heard would be

      the final day. If that is wrong,

      let me know, please… and I’ll

      tweak it up.


    108. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 7:13 pm

      lol Justice! you sure know how to make somebody snile!~

    109. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 7:17 pm

      smile too! lol

    110. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 7:26 pm

      Hey Carpe…..the clock countdown is GREAT! Thank you.
      I am just soo proud they we haven’t let the bad guys win by giving up. When i say all i mean all the people that post, blog,lurk & work…..EVERYONE! Even as we do our day to day living Natalee is still in the forefront of our minds and hearts. (you guys are awesome!)

    111. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 7:29 pm

      Aruba would never admit it but i bet they RUE THE DAY they took us on!

    112. Bob on April 18th, 2007 7:30 pm

      As far as I’m concerned, and my family as well….Aruba isn’t worth patronizing….even for FREE! Just ain’t worth my time.

    113. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 7:32 pm

      I’m not as search savy as some you are but i’m sooo curious to know if Holland Newspaper’s are reporting on the coruption in Aruba & Natalee.

    114. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 8:00 pm

      I agree Bob! Wouldn’t go for free or even if i was paid to go!

    115. maria on April 18th, 2007 8:04 pm

      I don’t post much but I always get the same math question – 2 + 2 = ? Anyhow great job to everyone here. With all of the contradicting info from Aruba/Holland how can anyone believe anything the suspects say or what goes on in the case. I agree – they didn’t expect Beth to get there so quickly and start going over the info herself. What losers. Also, the 3 didn’t help at all in the searches. There were other vacationers and locales that helped. If they were innocent they would have helped search etc. JMO. I know I would have. But I guess I have an honest conscious and they don’t. I could go further but I’m not. I trust you all get where I’m going.

    116. IndyDan on April 18th, 2007 9:32 pm

      #115 – maria,
      Good point, yes a lot of visitors and vacationers jumped right in and helped search, as well as some of the local Arubans. Strange the three suspects, supposedly innocent, didn’t do anything but meet secretly to line up their lies and alibis.

      They probably knew searching for Natalee was a waste of time.
      BTW, my math question was 2 + 1.

    117. mayan_moons on April 18th, 2007 9:51 pm

      hey maria…..you brought up something i haven’t thought about in a long time. Tourist’s took time out of their vacations to look for Natalee while those goons hid themselves and talking about how they were going to cover their butts. I’m sure they won’t soon forget that trip and will never make it again.

    118. Observer on April 18th, 2007 10:10 pm

      Hi Maria.. Good to see you :)

      Well the three did do one thing when everyone was searching. They hired lawyers.

    119. Patti on April 18th, 2007 10:20 pm

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

      How telling that Joran would mention that the police have
      said that they had found a body with his finger prints on
      it… makes you wonder if they were bloody finger prints
      and what may have happened on that day.

      Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

      Natalee’s bloody, tortured and mutilated body, was thrown into the middle of a political arena to tend for herself. Kept a secret from her family and the world, she didn’t have a chance. Respect for everything held sacred was tossed out in exchange for the realization of a political leader’s promice of a happy island with a prosperous future. Oh, yes, Oduber had high visions for Aruba, but, proved to be blind to the vision of everything decent.

      It’s not surprising to me that he, too, has a son that was guilty of assaulting an American girl and his actions go far in helping us realize the importance that he placed on his own political career. I suppose he thought it would be too much work to proove himself worthy of ruling an island in light of what his son had done. Or, too, maybe he thought that, in spite of anything he could do, there would still be those that would question. Afterall, many would think a man who is not capable of ruling his own house, is incapable to rule a parliament. In his capacity in acting as the Father of Aruba, his values haven’t changed.

      Go ahead… he says, have a good time.

      Light the fires, beat the drums and be happy

      as the consequence of your actions lies with me.

      Oduber has revealed his true character through his actions with his son, as he is allowed to surf the world over, in spite of the fact that he’s dangerous. And in keeping true to his sense of values, Oduber as the “father” of the island of Aruba, continues to hide the wrong doing committed by certain members of his family in a selfish, irresponsible act of pleasure seeking and in defiance of everything that’s “right”.

      Aaaaah, Come on, Aruba…

      You know what you like to do. Are you going to forsake
      your own pleasures in an attempt to do what’s right?
      What is just “one” American girl in comparison to the many
      that come here? Are we going to miss out on all that fun,
      just over one, lousy American? Let’s have a festival,
      let’s dance and celebrate and let’s have a good time,
      today, as tomorrow may never come…

      Light the Fires…

      Beat the Drums…

      Let’s get Happy!

      As a result of what Oduber chose to do, as a result
      of that fateful day on June 10, 1995; Aruba may never
      be truly happy ever again:



      ORANJESTAD, Aruba – Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.

      David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

      However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a “misinformation campaign.”

      The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee’s father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body.

      These reports came after significant, and at times conflicting, developments with the five suspects being detained in the case.

      The “Diario,” a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody – the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official – is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

      One of the young men detained admitted “something bad happened” to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.

      But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

      Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

      Referring to Dompig’s statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der Biezen (search) said Saturday: “We neither confirm nor deny any information coming from other sources … [about] alleged statements of suspects in this case.”

      “The investigation at the moment is the following: Five suspects are being held … and we are at a very crucial, very important moment in our investigation,” she said.

      A judge ruled Saturday that police can continue to detain three young men – two Surinamese brothers and the Dutch teen – arrested in the disappearance of Holloway.

      Police also have detained two other men – former security guards at a hotel near the one where Holloway was staying. No one has been charged in the case.

      Holloway vanished during a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook, Ala., High School, near Birmingham. Police found her U.S. passport and packed bags in her hotel room after she failed to show up for her return flight that day.

      Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said on national radio Friday night that if something happened to Holloway, it would damage the reputation of this island of 97,000 people, which depends on tourism and is considered one of the safest spots in the Caribbean.

      In Holloway’s hometown, her friends gathered after midnight at a church where people have been holding prayer vigils for her. Some hugged and cried; one woman left a flickering candle at the base of a wall decorated with messages to Holloway, who had earned a full scholarship to the University of Alabama, where she planned to study medicine.

      Antonio Carlo, an attorney for the Dutch minor, told the AP: “My client maintains his innocence.”

      Holloway’s mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that they discovered the Dutch boy’s connection to their daughter within 24 hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.

      A lawyer for one of the Surinamese – Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother, Deepak, 21, also is in custody – said they told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

      According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car, Carlo said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her hotel, “were in the back seat kissing.”

      They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.

      The brothers told police the blonde, blue-eyed young woman was drunk and refused to get out of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Mickey John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since Sunday.

      The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.

      Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway’s return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard’s statement to police.

      The Associated Press contributed to this report.

      The sins of their father hovers like pungent smoke over
      the fires that have burned for far too long. The light
      has gone out. Their teepees have grown bitter and cold
      with the manipulation of a double standard… and every
      Indian questions his own ability to care for his family,
      to set that standard and to be able to face the gods.

      The halls of their palaces are crying to be straightened,
      to be proper, as their walls are cracked and their weary
      foundations, worn. Every man, woman and child is begging
      for their wampam, unaware of the dangers that come from
      above. The palace is sure to fall without a sacrafice to
      the gods. But, even they, question the value of their own
      flesh and that of their animals. Can the fruits of our
      labor be clean, anew, or are we all to become like apples
      in a vat?

      The gods are hungry, we must feed them.

    120. Carpe Noctem on April 18th, 2007 10:29 pm

      CURRENT AFFAIR TV Int. with Joran – Sept. 2005


      Joran van der Sloot: I don’t have a theory, because I am not going to speculate what other people are doing, because all that people are doing is speculating. No one knows anything. For what everybody knows, she is a missing person. And I hope to God she is alive and I hope to God they find her.

      Reporter: You are going to be doing something?

      Joran van der Sloot: No,



    121. Carpe Noctem on April 18th, 2007 10:43 pm

      Joran’s gonna be lookin

      for the real killers.

      Riiiiiiiight. Nice fricken try Mr. Powers!!!!!



    122. Rob on April 19th, 2007 7:39 am

      Hey Gabe- I have been meaning to ask you…

      What the heck is this all about?


    123. vicki on April 19th, 2007 8:11 am

      lol carpe,,,just like OJ said he would never give up looking for Nicoles killers.

    124. Miss-Underestimated on April 19th, 2007 9:52 am

      VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think she has a personal – you know, I don’t think – I think she took this case personal from the beginning, and she didn’t like me at all. And I mean, you know, I won’t talk to anyone, any of them.


    125. Miss-Underestimated on April 19th, 2007 9:53 am

      What …like don’t take it personal, it’s just what? Business? Eeeew just plain creepy…yep your are.

    126. Janet on April 19th, 2007 12:19 pm

      112. Bob
      114. Mayan_Moons
      April 19, 2007

    127. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Thank You Janet you made my day! HAHA even the timeshares don’t want anything to do with Aruba!

      See where your arrogance has gotton you Aruba?

    128. Patti on April 19th, 2007 3:46 pm


      Good point….

      I guess we all take it personal when a girl is murdered
      and a whole island of people are manipulated to show a
      total disregard for the innocent ones.

    129. Patti on April 19th, 2007 4:23 pm

      Quote from Jossy – Regarding Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber:

      {from above}

      This is a handing-over of the worst kind, of a dictatorial attitude never before seen on an island that always held its impeccable democracy in front of the eyes of the world for it to understand that in Aruba the empire of the Law is in command. We can no longer say that! Now our island has become, in the hands of Nel Oduber and his anti-Aruban and anti-American government, an island of the abuse of power, of nepotism, of favors to the small group of privileged MEP fanatics, and political persecution against the rest of the population that do not subject themselves to his amens!

      But, the worst is that this government is principally
      an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island, that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to
      go through a truly torturous process to find their rights!



      Isn’t that what we have been saying all along? It could,
      certainly, be said that the Holloways and Twitty’s are
      like you… they are not members of the favored few…

      Where are their rights?

      Boycott, Aruba!!!

    130. Janet on April 19th, 2007 4:23 pm

      61. Rob

      It is public record that Dave and Beth Holloway opposed the motion to move their civil suit brought again Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot to Aruba because both of them as well as some of their witnesses had either received death threats or felt intimidation/fear regarding their testimonies being heard in an Aruban court.
      FOX NEWS
      April 13, 2006
      ORANJESTAD, Aruba – The parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba, say they oppose moving their civil trial from New York to the Caribbean island because witnesses are too terrified to testify there.
      The motion opposing the move, filed by Dave Holloway and Elizabeth Twitty in Manhattan’s state Supreme Court, says they “and several other key witnesses in this case have been subject to intimidation, hostility and death threats.”
      The Holloway-Twitty court papers, which don’t elaborate on the cited threats, also say New York courts are considered to be “legitimate” and permit a broader-based pretrial investigation than courts in Aruba.
      “Aruba represents a corrosive and abusive environment, as menacing and prejudicial to their quest for justice as the process could possibly be,” the parents’ papers say.
      The parents’ court papers, filed late Tuesday, say at least six important witnesses live in New York and others live in Princeton, N.J., and Philadelphia. They also say a young woman who claims to be a former Joran van der Sloot victim says she would testify in New York but not in Aruba.
      The parents’ papers say this young woman can identify two others who had experiences with the younger van der Sloot “in circumstances eerily reminiscent of what happened to Natalee.”
      The papers also say New York is convenient for people who knew Natalee well and can counter a “smear campaign” that she used drugs, drank heavily and was sexually promiscuous.
      “All these witnesses refuse to travel to Aruba but have committed to testifying in New York at the trial of this action,” say the court papers, which claim the witnesses have said they are “terrified to return there.”

    131. Patti on April 19th, 2007 4:59 pm



      Maybe that’s what Jossy meant by “torturous process”


      But, the worst is that this government is principally an Anti-Aruban one that obliges the sons of this island that do not belong to the privileged few of the MEP, to go through a truly torturous process to find their rights!





    132. Patti on April 19th, 2007 6:57 pm


      Jinx is a word that describes two people saying the same
      thing at the same time. I hope you weren’t thinking that
      I had called you a name. I don’t know if they use the
      same slang, in Canada, as we do here.

      When this happens, the two people yell, “Jinx”, and it’s
      usually followed by laughter.

      In this case, a jinx is a good thing!!!!

      Smiles to you….

    133. maria on April 19th, 2007 7:03 pm

      To #116, #117 and #118 indydan, mayan_moons, observer and the other bloggers

      I agree – they knew she was not going to be found so in their minds why bother searching? Plus an alibi was needed. It just disgusts me. You have local people searching who don’t make a lot of money but are willing to help and people on vacation losing there vacations $$$ to help. Then the 3 stoodges do nothing??? Red flag.

      Got the sum of 2+1 today…

    134. Janet on April 19th, 2007 7:40 pm

      132. Patti


      Patti … I understood perfectly … Canadians speak English slang … Canadians do not live in igloos … Canadian currency is not play money. Hey, I thought I might clear up a few rumors.
      Have a good evening Patti.

    135. Observer on April 19th, 2007 7:47 pm

      What was Joran doing before Natalee came to Aruba??We have at least one girl who claims she was drugged and raped by Joran Van Der Sloot..And another who refused to dance with him..

      Fox News interviewed Linda Allison. Linda claims that an Aruban girl told her that Joran accosted her in Carlos & Charlie’s. When she refused to dance with him, he followed her to the restroom and pulled a knife on her. Linda claims the girl told her that Joran said the girl could not do anything about him because his father is a judge. Linda claims Joran has 9 or 10 attorneys and open accounts at casinos in Aruba

    136. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 9:16 pm

      According to one of Jurine’s friends he kept busy going behind all his friends backs having sex with their girlfriends.

    137. Patti on April 19th, 2007 9:32 pm


      Don’t you just hate those losers that want what they can’t have? Some of them might be good looking and many of them have plenty of girlfriends; but, they insist on having the one that, for what ever reason, is not interested.

      Do you think that’s part of that power and control thing?

      I do….

      The FBI profiler said that Joran Van der Sloot is a psychopath that has maintained control of his household for years, getting everything that he wants. Accordingly, there was a question raised about how Joran would act if someone told him no.


    138. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 10:57 pm

      Well that can apply to some females too…..they are so shallow and disease ridden too. ewww Nothing ever satisfies them and that extra notch on the belt feeling doesn’t last long.

    139. mayan_moons on April 19th, 2007 11:16 pm

      Wow i have never seen the pic of Anita kicking at somebody. Why’d she do that?

    140. minnesota dad on April 19th, 2007 11:55 pm


      Has anyone seen CharlieRat or YoyoMuffintop since we had a little discussion on here about how IP addresses of posters are registered on the server?

      Seems CharlieRat thought his postings were anonymous. Now we don’t get to see Charlierat anymore. I think Yoyo has coincidentally disappeared from here too.

      Too bad. It was fun to see them work hard for those AHATA marketing dollars/guilders/florins/etc. md

    141. mayan_moons on April 20th, 2007 1:18 am

      lol MD!

      I think you are right on!

    142. yoyo muffintop on April 20th, 2007 1:23 am

      No, still here mn dad. There are other topics to post about rather than Natalee you know. You should try it sometime – just don’t tie everything to Aruba, as some do. It’s fun watching 900 different theories float around. And you wonder why Aruba hasn’t “figured it out” yet. But I will say you might be the only one who is consistent.

      Now observer #135 – might that be Karen Martina you are talking about? If not, please source. ‘Cause if it is, that is a flat out lie since there is an affidavit from her stating no such thing happened. As far as the knife thing goes, I call BS until you produce a transcript (Or how ’bout date and show). I may be wrong…but good luck.

    143. Richard on April 20th, 2007 5:10 am

      Mr. Rammstein, who used to loiter here but who seems to have deserted us, says on another forum that the Dutch papers aren’t running anything on Natalee and the investigators. Maybe they really are playing their cards close to the vest … and I’m sure there’s far less interest in the case over there than there is here.

      Whatever the truth, we have to keep the pressure on Aruba.

      One week to go until the Miami Herald travel show … and so far, we’ve gotten double the number of pledges for expense money that we got in Boston. These are the ones I know about. Needless to say, all of us involved in promoting the Miami protest are both proud and humbled at this level of trust and support.

      One week to go! If you can do it, stand up for Natalee in Miami!

    144. msmarple on April 20th, 2007 11:02 am

      According to today’s Diario (04/20/2007), the Inter America Press Association has reprimanded/sanctioned Oduber for his MEP boycott of Diario.

    145. Carpe Noctem on April 20th, 2007 12:58 pm

      The gang-raping, murderous, Van der sloots and Kalpoes
      I predict will be “going down” as they say…

      I don’t envision it happening any other way. Those
      that harmed Natalee Ann Holloway for no good reason, will eventually wind up getting a couple to their peanut butter cracker hatches.

      So hey…

      Aruba, it is do or die time for you baby, you can join
      those blood sucking, carnivorous, wretched psychotic hell dogs from Satan’s abyss, that are so worthy of being put out of their misery for the rest of all time eternal…


      You can go
      to DI-NEY WORLD…

      Give me a buzz and let me know how you want it, if I’m
      not here drop it on the machine. LOL

      HAVE A NICE DAY! :) -j4n

      —Justice for Natalee Holloway

      > “We rally ’round the family.”

      We wll never allow ourselves to forget
      what the Van der sloot & the Kalpoe
      criminals were allowed to get away with doing
      to Nat and her family.

    146. Carpe Noctem on April 20th, 2007 1:15 pm



      Oh, IMO, absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt it is!!!

      I think P. Van der sloot said it best… Joran knew

      the girl he had been making out with, when he was shown

      a picture. He was able o identify he by her eyes and mouth.


      Here are a couple more pictures for you too look at, Joran.




      She’s loved.

      We’ll Never Forget.

    147. Carpe Noctem on April 20th, 2007 1:29 pm



    148. Observer on April 20th, 2007 1:47 pm


      Over and Over again you have been proven wrong..You are clueless!! How the hell do you know anything about Joran Van Der Sloot. He is a lying Rapist and Murderer!! I will take the word of Linda Allison and 3+ Aruban girls anyday over yours..

    149. Janet on April 20th, 2007 2:33 pm

      According to today’s Diario (04/20/2007), the Inter America Press Association has reprimanded/sanctioned Oduber for his MEP boycott of Diario.
      Comment by msmarple | April 20, 2007, 11:02 am
      I do not believe for one minute that Oduber is concerned one way or another what the IAPA or any other agency feels about the manner which Aruba runs its affairs. For two years Aruba has conducted a corrupt investigation into the disappearance of an eighteen year old American girl without fear of retaliation … without fear of challenge … from what was once perceived as the greatest democracy on the face of the earth … the United States of America. I contend that the politically correct approach of the American Administration in the Natalee Holloway case … is a betrayal to one of her own and … will put future Natalees at risk. This is not about the disappearance of an American citizen on Aruban soil … this is about a corrupt investigation that is denying an American citizen justice. The principle is absolute … if an individual or a nation will not do right because it is right … then there has to be fear of the consequences.
      “The reality is that we must find peace through strength.”
      Ronald Reagan, 1983
      CBS NEWS – DECEMBER 16, 2005
      (AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway. Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a “frank and open discussion” and that Aruban authorities have devoted “tremendous resources” to the case.
      John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway’s parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker’s office told Holloway’s family the Arubans objected to that.

    150. evilive on April 20th, 2007 3:09 pm

      MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2006
      Diplomatic Immunity for the Van der sloots

      Department of Justice official and Dutch Judges drastically limited the search of the Van Der Sloot property as a favor to Joran van der Sloot’s father.

      Despite what Aruban government officials led the U.S. media to believe, there was never a full search made of the Van Der Sloot property in order to find evidence in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

      Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted, by the judge, a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.

      Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?

      Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant.

      10-9-05 Big Story Dompig no search warrant

      Although a warrant for a search was originally requested and granted to the prosecutor, officers were blocked from searching the main residence and grounds by Justice Department official Ben King (Voking) and Dutch Judge Bob Witt, who were waiting at the Van Der Sloot’s premises when the search team arrived.


      VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know–including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?

      DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.”
      So, the gardens, the buildings–everything.

      But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office–it was Mr. Bob Witt–reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran–and that was very strange. 11/28/06
      Robert Jensen show

      PRdVries: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office.: the highest justice-office on the island and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge – Bob Wit – who was at the house as well said only Jorans room could be searched. These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.

      Justice Department official Ben King, who later admitted to the media that he was a close friend of Paulus Van der Sloot, claimed he was on vacation and therefore not acting on behalf of the Justice department. It was King who personally informed the search team they could only search the small apartment of Joran Van Der Sloot, located in the back yard of the property just behind the main residence, when they arrived.

      Also present at the Van Der Sloot residence was Dutch Judge Bob Witt from Curacao, who was one judge presiding over the case. It should be noted that Paulus Van der Sloot was a Dutch judge-in-training at the time of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.

      Although Joran Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 9, 2005 the Aruba Prosecutor Karin Janssen did not execute a search of the Van Der Sloot residence until nearly a week later on June 15th with members of her office, the Aruba Police department, and Dutch forensics specialists from Holland in tow.

      The search itself of the Van Der Sloot apartment looks now to be nothing more than a “mock raid” for media consumption purposes. The search lasted only four hours and was conducted in the middle of the day, quite a contrast to the early morning raid the same Prosecutor ordered on the residences of two black security guards on June 5th.

      The two security guards were arrested at 6:30 am and “perp walked” for the mainstream media who also got to witness their residences being ransacked. It was later proven both guards had alibis for the night Ms. Holloway and no evidence was found at either of their homes, which ultimately led to their release.

      The fact that the Van Der Sloot residence and grounds were not searched was kept hidden from the media until mid-October when acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig revealed his department was denied a full search of the Van der Sloot property on not one, but two occasions. In addition to being denied a full search on June 15th, a second request to search the main residence was flatly denied by a Dutch judge when Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested on June 23rd.

    151. evilive on April 20th, 2007 3:31 pm

      Notice how open Dompig is in his statements.
      What caused him to change and attack Natalee as doing drugs and she probably drowned? What did they have on him or perhaps his son Michael? Someone had to call Joran from C and C’s to tell Joran there were last night female tourists at the club; especially the MBHS crowd.

    152. Patti on April 20th, 2007 4:21 pm

      That’s right….

      We will never allow ourselves to forget. And, while we don’t agree on everything, we all agree about the cover-up, the corruption and the crimes that were executed in the name of “nationalism” [the belief that nations would benefit from acting independently rather than collectively; emphasizing national, rather than, international goals], selfishness and greed.

      Clearly, the decisions that were made the day of the search, as well as those made on June 10, were made with no regard in finding the missing or persecuting those responsible for her demise. In fact, it was just the opposite. The actions of those involved, clearly, shows that it was their “intent” to by-pass the investigation into what happened that night Natalee went missing and to conceal her kidnapping and death, as if it never occured.

      The only question remaining is what’s going to be done about it? Who on the island of Aruba, or the Netherlands or, even the United States is big enough to do something about it? Certainly, the actions of the officials who call themselves public servants were acting, not in the interest of the Island of Aruba, but out of their own twisted interests. Is Jan Van der Straaten big enough? Surely, he knows of the things that took place? What about Karin Janssen, surely, she didn’t participate in the cover-up? Who is to be held responsible, but, even more than that, who IS responsible enough to put an end to this anarchy?

      Jossy: Our thoughts and prayers are with you….

      Evilive: Good to see you back… keep up the good work.

      We want justice in Aruba. Justice and liberty from a broken down “Good ol’ Boys Club” that is trying to pass itself off as a governmnent and calling itself a democracy.

      Boycott Aruba!

    153. JusticeforNatalee on April 20th, 2007 5:51 pm




    154. JusticeforNatalee on April 20th, 2007 5:53 pm




    155. Clay_Pigeon on April 20th, 2007 6:15 pm
    156. Patti on April 20th, 2007 7:52 pm

      What does it mean to you?

    157. mayan_moons on April 20th, 2007 9:43 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      That guy in video 14 where you can see him from the chest up coz he’s behind a big rock…..could he be Mark Purcell?

    158. mayan_moons on April 20th, 2007 10:26 pm

      hmmmm n/m on that Carpe…..

    159. Richard on April 21st, 2007 5:52 am

      With one week to go until the Miami Herald travel show, offers to contribute towards expenses are still coming in.

      This is pleasing, elating and humbling all at the same time.

      In the midst of so many other horrors in the world, this proves that we can still collectively respond to one stark, isolated tale of injustice.

      Our government is silent.

      Our tourist associations are silent.

      Our casino, hotel, and airline businesses are silent.

      It’s up to “We the people” to face down those who want business as usual for Aruba.

    160. tex on April 21st, 2007 7:57 am

      bachus will seem the the same natural fate as the others

    161. evilive on April 21st, 2007 1:57 pm

      Based upon what Joran has given in his statements and interviews; this could have been the dialog between Natalee and Joran at C and C’s and why Natalee got into Deepak’s car.

      “Joran, what are you doing here?” “I didn’t think you would show up it’s so late.” “I couldn’t let you go home without apologizing for what happened before.” “I was such an asshole.” “So I couldn’t let you go home thinking how badly I treated you and for what happened on Aruba.” “After all it was your graduation, your celebration. You and your friends where only having fun.” “And my friends tried to interfere with your having fun..” “I don’t want you to have any bad memories from your vacation on Aruba.” ‘Say Joran, it’s really loud on this side, let’s go to the bar on the other side where it is not so noisey.”
      “That’s better.” “So what are you going to do when you get home?”. “I start premed in the fall on a scholarship.” “And You?” “Well I have to pay for my school and I will start in August.” “Let me have your address and I will write to you in the States.” ” I wish you a lot of luck in school.” “Natalee, it’s almost closing time let me buy you a last drink.” “Thank you what is it?” ” It’s what I always drink ’151′.” “it’s good but drink it slowly.” “Joran it’s almost closing time and I don’t feel so good, my legs feel like rubber.” “I’ll tell you what; I’m going back to our hotel; I’ll have my friends grab us a cab.” ” Boy the way they jumped for you, what are they your slaves?” Here we are get in and we will be back to the hotel in a few minutes.”
      Well Joran is this the way it went down? Is that how you got Natalee into Deepak’s cab?
      Deepak; did you stop to tell everyone you guys hit the jackpot?
      Is drugging and kidnapping the 15 years you will serve if Natalee were allowed to live?
      Was this your revenge for the three fights you got into with the MBHS students? Did any of them report you to the police?
      Was this your revenge Geoffrey for your fight with the MBHS students over Natalee on May 27th at C &C”s?
      What was in it for you Michael and Andreas? Where you two along for the ride?
      We know there were more than just the three main perps involved and someday we will prove it.

    162. 10061906 on April 22nd, 2007 2:11 pm

      Have we really lost interest in helping Natalee?
      No one has posted in over 24 hours!!!!

    163. Carpe Noctem on April 22nd, 2007 4:20 pm

      I had posted about Natalee in a couple
      of off topic stories… but I saw
      1006′s question

      “Have we really lost interest in helping Natalee?”


      I just wanted to say, as long as I have blood coarsing
      through my veins & a heartbeat, I will always be trying
      to help get JUSTICE 4 NATALEE. What was done to her makes me angry. It is a different level of anger, one that I have a hard time putting into words. Bottomline, I have adopted her as one of my own. I will always be working on something that’ll bring about justice to the evil son of a bitches that brought harm unto her.

      I don’t think many people will fully rest until those that
      harmed Nat are where they are supposed to be. He gained her
      trust, and then he hurt her, and damn it… it makes me

      What more can you say?

      It is one of those few situations
      in life that one never really
      “gets over.” :(



    164. 10061906 on April 22nd, 2007 4:41 pm

      Thanks Carpe: At least one person will read this posting

      I have been busy reviewing lies and looking for answers.
      Perhaps you can find something here.

      A ton of VIDEO Clips and Information. Should keep everyone busy for weeks.

      VIDEO GEOFFREY. Unlike Joran he can hid his face when arrested.
      Also listen to where the reporter says the he did not even know Natalee. We know that is a lie because he grab her buttocks Friday May 27th and Natalee pushed him, where as Geoffery then slapped Natalee and almost caused a fight with the MBHS crowd.
      Geoffrey knows Michael and Michael knows Joran. MORE LIES

      Interesting facts about Moombas: The Clausson investigators mention that they were befriended by the bartender at Moombas and that Natalee had been taken to the Lion’s Den; the motel like building at 17 Noord.
      Interesting facts about Paulus and Dennis
      VIDEO Little seen Natalee cheerleading
      VIDEO Beginning of the cover up
      VIDEO Deepak almost admitting that Natalee is dead. “If I knew where there body is…..”
      And they all assaulted Natalee.
      VIDEO Geoffery von Cromvoirt is arrested.
      VIDEO Suspects recorded conversation
      VIDEO Another tape of Geoffery
      VIDEO Gerald Dompig’s B/S
      ***VIDEO*** Paulus van der Sloots statement. Notice how he blinks his eyes, can’t look at anyone in the face and shrugs his shoulders. I wonder who he takes after?
      VIDEO Natalee’s stepfathers statement
      VIDEO Marrianne Croes Interview
      VIDEO another Paulus interview.
      VIDEO Dompig’s B/S
      VIDEO House search dog and pony show.
      VIDEO More about Geoffrey.. Look closely when they bring Joran out to the police car. Is that Fabienne in the background?
      VIDEO Another dog and pony show.
      VIDEO Guido’s attorny’s statement More B/S

    165. 10061906 on April 22nd, 2007 4:47 pm

      The first tiny url. I checked it a half dozen times before posting: I had a few problems.
      Here is the original:::

    166. Carpe Noctem on April 22nd, 2007 10:08 pm

      Hey 1006,

      Thanks for all the video links!


      Whenever I copy and paste those tiny url links

      in, and they have a lowercase x

      rather than an uppercase X

      that happens to me also.



    167. Waterboy (Jerry) on April 23rd, 2007 12:35 am


      I’ve been checking in from time to time, just haven’t posted. I was waiting for a new topic.

      I’ve never ever seen such a distorted representation of justice, and plan to follow it indefinitely.

      I was listening to Dave Ramsey, and a lady called in all excited. She and her husband were being transferred to Aruba, with a big promotion. Dave evidently hasn’t followed Natalee’s case or he would have given her a stern warning.

    168. misterM on April 26th, 2007 2:39 pm

      Jossy is the real traitor here!

      you guys should be ashamed of your selfs writing such arrogant notes as if your government is all good and straight. Wel newsflash yours is the worst ever. Jossy is the biggest money launder on the island in case you didn’t know this he and his family has been indicted by the American government. You don’t believe me? go to: http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
      scroll down to the section arubian connections.

      Now let’s see how much more you know about jossy is he still the hero you thought he was? Now for seconds he’s criticizing only because the MEP convernment doesn’t comply with his demands an won’t play his games along like the AVP did accourding to the article i send you.

      Now you all go burn in some blown up tower or just shut up.
      I like Americans but not the kind that talk such trash about my island and people. And as for nathaly i’m sorry to say so butt there are hundred’s just like her dying each day in the US. Just 31 in the recent high school shooting. recent as in reoccurring. So you guys find my island to be unsafe?
      Wel there’s no place like home for u guys then. Where it’s safe and everybody should have a gun and there’s no chollers or drugs and were nobody ever gets killed or you know what nobody even dies there.

      Well wake up! On this island we have about 3 or 4 killings a years from wich Nathaly happens to be one of them. I am not glad she is but it’s just the way it is. If every arubian could have prevented this from happening i am sure they would. But you know what’s the sad thing is that no matter how many arubians helped and even got a day of work to search for this girl, only discredit is what they got back as a thanks.

      It is not that i think everything went the way it should but i find the remarks made on this page degrading and the anti-arubian remarks to be offensive. The only thing i could suggest is to focus on your own home before criticizing others.

      Look at how many people is dying now in Irak but it has been liberated by America? Look at what Israel is doing in the middle east and it’s being approved by the US? These are the real problems that should cross your minds not just one girl that’s was privileged to have connections. Because i am sure if it was one of you CNN would;t even spend a minute on your story.

      Please make some sensible remarks on this post


      SM:   Is this Joran?   Just wondering ;)   (klaasend)

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