Paulus Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Disappearance … No Soup for You in Aruba, Part II (Witnesses & Taped info) Full Translation


As originally posted, “Nothing for you Paulus Van der Sloot” Paulus and Joran shall receive Vanderslootno “ill gotten” gains for their law suit filed that they were inappropriately detained by Aruban police in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Seems that the continued pressure and dwindling tourism has forced Aruban officials and courts to look at events in a different manner than they originally did. Much different.

With this ruling one begins to wonder why Paul Van der Sloot did not spend more time in jail than he actually did? In hindsight, Aruba would have handled this situation in a much different manner. Seems that all bets and promises are off. Some suspects and those involved best begin to start worrying again, or sweating as the case may be. The following is a literal translation as it appears in the Sentencing of the Superior Court.

“With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
UPDATE I: The following is Diario’s full translation for yesterdays article on Feb. 14, 2007 regarding Paulus Van der Sloot. Special thanks to Diario.
New information coming out of the Superior Court of Justice
ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of  February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.
The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.
Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.
Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.
Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot  have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?
If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?
On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.
That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.
The lawyer for Paul van der Sloot denies that Paul declared that he fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald Palm Beach, and that he had contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared, but the Superior Court of Justice based its sentence on the information presented by the interim Attorney General of Aruba.
Now, who is lying and who is telling the truth?

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  • Comments

    256 Responses to “Paulus Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Disappearance … No Soup for You in Aruba, Part II (Witnesses & Taped info) Full Translation”

    1. Miss-Underestimated on February 15th, 2007 3:43 pm

      Hey in math from the beginning to eternity


    2. joe bear on February 15th, 2007 3:51 pm

      well,we can make up for lost jail time now.

    3. JusticeforNatalee on February 15th, 2007 4:09 pm


      What kind of father are you?

      Never mind. We know.

      You are the kind of father
      who helps cover up crimes
      that his son committed.

      Try being a real father, Paulus.

      Fess up.

      Take your punishment like a man
      and make Joran do the same.

      That is the only way to help Joran.
      He must learn that misdeeds, especially
      CRIMES, have consequences.

      Paulus and Anita, you both
      know that Joran is way out of control.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on February 15th, 2007 4:21 pm

      When did Janssen submit this tape?

      Right before she left?

      Earlier in the case?

      Is this tape newly submitted evidence?

    5. Sharon Chicago on February 15th, 2007 4:41 pm

      I hope Aruba knows what they have done to their own country with the decrease in tourism.

      Beth is making the difference…everytime she speaks
      more people pass the info on to friends and relatives
      and their minds change and say “I don’t want to go to
      Aruba” on my vacation…..hundreds and hundred and hundreds
      of people have changed their minds to say NO I will no longer consider going there…. soon it will be in the
      thousands if it has not reached that proportion yet….:o)

      Pay back is a bitch!

    6. Observer on February 15th, 2007 5:03 pm

      Joran says he will tell what happened after it is all over. Paulus says he would tell but the truth would hurt too many people. Are you kidding me?? Jorans writing a book and Paulus sues the govt. Can this family get anymore disgusting? Besides covering up the rape and murder did paulus choose to let her die instead of getting natalee help?

      “I lied and thats the truth”–Joran Van Der Sloot
      “Your own father”!!Unbeleaveable!!–Deepak Kalpoe

    7. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:04 pm

      Caren had 2 witness’s placing Paul/ASS in the presence of Natalee twice that night? Very Good as this is the first i’ve heard about these witness’s!

      Paul was seen in the company & engaging with Natalee in the casino hours before she is NEVER seen again and within hours after he is referring to Natalee as a Corpse.

    8. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:06 pm

      Payback is a bitch Sharon & in this case its coming back to crush them.

    9. JusticeforNatalee on February 15th, 2007 5:08 pm

      E-mail Greta and ask her
      to have Jossy or Beth
      as a guest.

      Also, contact Bill O’Reilly.
      He’s sick of the coverup in Aruba.

    10. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:10 pm

      Someone said yesterday that we can’t let up on the boycott for a minute even though Paul didn’t get that money. I say no worries friend, if anything we’re digging our claws in even deeper tp promote the dangers & remind everyone how shabby & cruel Aruba has conducted themselves since May 30, 2007

    11. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:10 pm

      Will do Justice!

    12. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:14 pm

      We’re wearing down folks……they Never thought we’d still be here fighting for NATALEE so close to the two year mark.

      We’re still here Aruba…..and you still suck!

    13. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:15 pm

      oops “we’re wearing them down”

    14. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:17 pm

      Hey Observer!

      You ask if this family can get more disgusting and i everytime i think they can’t……THEY DO~

    15. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:19 pm

      Yikes i mean 2005

      please forgive my typo’s guys….i’ve had a migraine all day

    16. Observer on February 15th, 2007 5:24 pm

      What is the correct punishment for these Van Der Sloots? I dont think a few years in jail is appropriate anymore..

    17. dennisintn on February 15th, 2007 5:45 pm

      #6, who could paulus be so magnanimously protecting? his reluctance (and jvds’) to be truthful for almost 2 yrs. is causing hardships for everyone on the island, not even considering the fact that the entire island’s reputation as a nation of honor and trust is concerned. who is so important for him to to protect, other than j2k?

    18. Kat_Gram on February 15th, 2007 5:47 pm

      Well, Beth / Jug weren’t making this up ! ! ! !
      She said he said he said it and it looks as if he did.
      According to witnesses that are from ARUBA … not some ppl from the USA who might have a language problem.
      Why Oh Why did they try to say they didn’t ?
      Why did they not want the main house searched ?
      Those lying sacks of you-know-what.

    19. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 5:51 pm

      The most they could get is 15 years right? Could other charges such as kidnapping, assault be tacked on to the 1st degree murder in terms of sentencing? That would be a start but after all we’ve seen & all we know i’d like them to get the same thing they gave Natalee.

    20. dennisintn on February 15th, 2007 6:15 pm

      mayan moons, that sounds only fair to me.

    21. Maggie on February 15th, 2007 6:20 pm

      It’s about time this came out. I’m so happy neither of these (fill in the blanks) are getting a penny. Boycott his book too.

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, I don’t. But there’s something that really bothers me, and I don’t think I’ve made any secrets about it, I’ve kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there’s something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald’s. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald’s. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.
      VAN SUSTEREN: Perhaps there were two.
      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Could have been, Greta.
      VAN SUSTEREN: Does your journal entry because I’ve seen your journal, I’ve paged through it with you. Is there an entry in your journal which actually has that 4:30?
      VAN SUSTEREN: And that was…
      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: The 31st. That was from secondhand information. Now, that was not from…
      GEORGE “JUG” TWITTY: We have witnesses that were there that night that heard…
      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: … ten witnesses.

    22. dennisintn on February 15th, 2007 6:47 pm

      thanks wj, you’re right on top of things, as usual.

    23. Scared Monkeys on February 15th, 2007 6:49 pm


      The taped information and his declaration that “he” picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly  understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

      “He” in this instance means Paulus.

      Yes. That’s what the Superior Court of Justice dictaminated. There were taps on Paulus’ phone and his incoming and outgoing conversations were taped and listened to. We understand from the sentence that the Prosecution is in possession of all those taps made on the phone(s) of Paulus.

      Doesn’t this sound much different than what we have been told? I thought that JVDS never told his father about the HI, or NH for that fact? Joran stated that no one knew because he was embarassed. How could PVDS have known that the HI was even the hotel in play? Those tapped phoned calls are a bitch.


    24. da_wench on February 15th, 2007 6:53 pm

      “The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn” Ok, this is the first I’ve heard he picked up Natalee and Joran. Is this a typo?

    25. Miss-Underestimated on February 15th, 2007 7:02 pm

      What is going on that the courts have changed. Who is on or no longer on the Supreme court and why have they changed their direction on this case?

    26. Miss-Underesitmated on February 15th, 2007 7:04 pm

      Why has this now changed, who is or is not on the supreme court, that the direction now has changed?

      Now I wonder if Anita’s camera was used to blackmail Natalee in case she was gonna talk?

    27. Miss-Underesitmated on February 15th, 2007 7:05 pm

      Was Anita’s camera used for Blackmail?

    28. Dana on February 15th, 2007 7:09 pm

      Jossy Mansur will join me on my show tonight to discuss this story.

      9pm et.


    29. Scared Monkeys on February 15th, 2007 7:46 pm

      #24 … not a typo

      I imagine that the prosecutors and Courts have much info that they have been holding back on in hopes this all went away.

      I would dare say they have more than enough to go forward with a prosecution again the 3 suspects. At this point they have no choice. All bets and promises made to have this go away are off the table … Aruban tourism has taken too much of a hit.

    30. downloadingdaddy on February 15th, 2007 7:56 pm

      #17 (Dennisintn)
      Who Indeed? That seems to be the 64 thousand $ question.

      The one statement in this case that haunts me the most is this: “Your Own father! Unbelievable!”

      Paulus needs to be reinstated as a suspect!

    31. Kat_Gram on February 15th, 2007 7:59 pm

      So, they ( Jan van der Stratten, Karin Janssen ) knew this and still arrested the security guards ?
      I do remember Beth speaking of this early days. And I mean really early, before Joran was ” detained ” or whatever they call it. Getting him out of the way where he could not drink and blab is more like it.

    32. Richard on February 15th, 2007 8:09 pm

      Well, this thread answers one question of mine. Never before had I heard anyone talk of PvdS picking up Joran AND NATALEE at a McDonald’s, whether at 11 p.m. or 4 a.m.

      Now, Beth’s statement above refers only to him picking up Joran at 4 a.m. She says he later changed the time to 11 p.m.

      So what’s going on? Was he saying that he picked them both up so as to give the impression that Natalee could still be accounted for at 4 a.m.? Again, Beth, in her statement, makes no reference to Natalee.

      Methinks this is PvdS spreading disinformation very early on. Clearly he wants people to think that Natalee was accounted for at a particular time.

      If I’m way off base on this, please set me straight.

    33. Richard on February 15th, 2007 8:10 pm

      I love that phrase “the lying declarations.”

      Wonder what the atmosphere is in the van der Scum residence these days? Anyone think the phone lines to Holland and dear little Joran are busy?

      And the Kalpoes have been mute about their lawsuit….

    34. Allan K on February 15th, 2007 8:17 pm

      Paulus, Joran come forward this is awful how you sit this out.
      Everybody knows your guilty. It baffles me how they have lied and lied. Innocent people don’t lie.

    35. Richard on February 15th, 2007 8:20 pm

      If we read this statement cautiously, it says that two of the witnesses “suggested” there was a contact that night.

      It’s hard to imagine what “suggested” means. Were they saying they thought so, but weren’t sure? Were they inferring from something they’d been told?

      It’s too bad that we aren’t given the time and place of this “suggested” contact between PvdS and Natalee. I’m sure that those details are in the records that Aruba has, but wouldn’t we like to know.

      For that matter, perhaps they differ and refer to more than one contact. But without going beyond the bounds of what is said in that statement, a lot is still unclear.

    36. mayan_moons on February 15th, 2007 8:22 pm

      Hey Miss-U!

      I’m with you and want to know the details of this change of (black) heart from the Aruba Court!

      I can’t listen to Dana so please come back & tell me what went down! TIA

    37. Carpe Noctem on February 15th, 2007 8:55 pm

      I sent this out on my Natalee Network email list
      this morning, but would like to post it here as
      well if R,T, and Klaas will let me.

      –The following is all my opinion only.


      C’mon folks, I smell the winds of change
      coming upon us! Give it all you’ve got,
      and lets bring Natalee home to
      her family where she belongs!

      The ROCKS SITE — IMHO — was just what NYCHIC
      had suspected it to be all along! A dismembering
      outdoor workshop for a psychopath. (see pics below)

      This is probably why Joran did not want to so much
      as fart in the general direction of the CALIFORNIA
      LIGHTHOUSE, so he changed up his stories again to
      say he stayed away from there, and never got out
      of the car. He knew in his peanut shaped head
      bad shit would be found in this area.

      (I’m saying here – the rocks are a disposal site
      I don’t think she was murdered there.)

      It takes a pretty
      hardcore, nasty, MF-ER
      to dismember a body.
      (so they tell me.)

      I don’t think those two serial
      Aruban/Dutch Jackass Fairies, Joran and
      Paulus had the set of walnuts to do it!


      1st – Joran may have already been in lock up…

      when they started to do this nasty deed.

      Paulus was on the outside. He wanted to desperately

      talk to Joran. Between the time Joran went to jail

      and the time Paulus went to jail. ( = corpse locator)

      6/9 & 6/23/2005 — There’s your target window.

      We need to backtrack on Paulus, and follow his
      every move throughout that time period… especially,
      we want to see if they made contact with one another,
      directly, or via a 3rd party. (mom,lawyer,brother,whatever)

      That information
      is VITAL. It is a key to unlock the house,
      I guess you could say.

      No wonder he was sweating so much!!! He was also moonlighting as a $%$%ing’ funeral director. What an jerk!

      All the time trying to contact his demon spawn and tell him

      DO NOT CONFESS. …but Joran already did, so they tell him

      STFU now AND TAKE IT BACK, because

      your dear old pappy fixed it for you.

      I suspect their communication on this subject, during the time period in question, led to what was observed with the ARUBAY VIDEO TAPING OF THE ROCKS NEAR THE LIGHTHOUSE. 6/12/2005 SUNDAY.

      6/12/2005 ???

      I am really starting to discover now everything that

      is on that tape!!!!!!!! (ARUBAY ROCKS) Specifically, all the body parts.

      of females mixed with a shark carcass. (maybe up to 3 females) It appears to be

      remains of at least one white female mixed with 2 others
      , and I am convinced some of Nat’s remains are viewable in this video. (Arubay Rocks Site Vid)

      It is grisly
      shit, these
      people are AWFUL,
      AWFUL people.


      :::TIME WARP:::

      news blurb

      6/12/2005 – 6/13/2005

      sun – mon



      Natalee Holloway: Interesting New Development

      The Dutch media is reporting on Monday that The Netherlands

      has sent some experts to the island of Aruba to assist in the ongoing search (investigation).

      The Dutch experts arrived at Aruba **ON SUNDAY**. The local chief of the search team of police in The Netherlands,

      Jan van der Straten, confirmed this report on Sunday.

      Mr. Van der Straten did not go into details about
      the type of experts that were sent. He only informed that the experts that were sent did not go with search dogs and that they were going to carry out specific detailed operations.

      — the ones we
      see in ARUBAY


      Van der Straten told the press that he was not going to
      disclose specified information, because this would obviously
      lead to (justified) assumptions of the direction the
      investigation is heading in. He said: “I cannot say more,
      otherwise it will be clear in which direction the
      investigation is going”.



      6/12/2005 arubay videos recorded. Uploaded to
      the Internet the next day. Monday 6/13/2005?

      Again, this is my opinion.


      Evidence Screen Grabs


      w/ guides & labels



      clean graphic / no outline



      Strike while the iron is hot. Carpe Diem!

      Bust some Aruba ass today. We will not just let

      this be, we must let them know that this sh$#@!


      -Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!
      -Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!
      -Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway!

    38. Carpe Noctem on February 15th, 2007 9:07 pm

      If we give up on Natalee,

      we are in fact giving up on our own families,

      by giving up on Natalee,

      you are in fact giving up yourself!

      They’ve gotten away with these things in the past,

      and they’ll continue to do so in the future if they

      are not held accountable!

      Age, color, rich or poor,
      highly educated, or
      little to no education….


      We will never give up on her! -J4N

    39. downloadingdaddy on February 15th, 2007 9:27 pm

      If this information about Papa Sloot picking up Joran and Natalee is true then I think I have possible theory about the events of that night.

      J2K run thier Taxi scam on Natalee “It’s worked 20 times before”

      During thier assault on Natalee “Something bad Happens” (can’t be revived from drug and alcohol combo?)

      Joran calls his dad and he picks him and Natalee up at Mcdonalds and drives them to his house, tells Joran that he’ll take care of everything so get to bed and make sure you get to school in the morning.

      Papa Sloot then brings Natalee into his home and Assaults Natalee, perhaps taking pictures of his evil deeds (the missing camera). “This wouldn’t have happened if mom would have been home” (I believe this statement refers to something that happened in the sloot main residence because Joran had his own bungalow and could have gotten away with murder without his mother being aware of it.

      Deepak finds out about Jorans fathers involement and makes the statement “Your own father, unbelievable!

      I could be wrong and I could be right about this, but one thing I feel in my gut the most is this: Paulus is heavily involved and knows the most about what happened that night.

      Keep Boycotting! It’s working!

    40. Miss-Underesitmated on February 15th, 2007 9:28 pm


      I can’t get Dana on this lap top. Some freegen reason. Hopefully someone will fill us in. I wonder is the room gettin smaller at the VDS’S. Anita’s camera, gone during a search (that didn’t happen), she said it was taken, but it was in the house the nite Natalee disappeared…Hey Anita…..who took your camera…..why?

      Now let’s see what happens with those ATM withdrawls, ahhh what time were the withdrawls and how much.

      “Your own father” “this wouldn’t have happened if you stayed home”

      Wheeew I’m smelling the pigs…wheeew, (holdin my nose)

    41. JusticeforNatalee on February 15th, 2007 10:37 pm

      IF Paulus actually did pick up Joran and Natalee at 4 AM,
      this is what I think happened:

      Natalee is unconscious/in severe distress/perhaps already dead (due to
      drug slipped to her).

      Joran calls Dad to pick him up. They take Natalee
      to VDS home. Paulus looks up drugs/alcohol
      on Internet. Does not get medical attention for Natalee
      because of incriminating evidence. Natalee dies.

    42. JusticeforNatalee on February 15th, 2007 11:10 pm


      Your son and husband are going to jail.

      If you want to bank on something, bank on THAT.

      Maybe you will join them behind bars.

      What do you know, Anita?

    43. Elaine on February 15th, 2007 11:16 pm

      With all this info coming about, I would bet you money Paulus has bought himself a whole case full of anti-perspirant and deodorant.

    44. nychic on February 15th, 2007 11:44 pm

      How Bad Is Sweaty Man Sloot Sweating Tonight ?
      I Hope They Nail His Ass To The Wall !

      This Statement Was Made The Night Beth Arrived -
      PVDS Was Already In “Alibi Mode” BigTime -
      He Was CERTAIN Those HI Security Tapes Were
      As Good As HIS !

      Carpe -
      You Are Correct Once Again !
      I Said That From Day One:
      “Get Into The Mindset of An Idiot 17yr Old”
      Hint – Hint: The Sharks

      If Koen or Sander Had Answered The Phone That Night
      The Divers May Have Found Natalee !

      Then Sweaty Man Took Over…

    45. tex on February 15th, 2007 11:45 pm

      my brothers employers used to have their corporate license in aruba and yearly meetings there (600+ people)- they have now moved them to colorado, usa. his whole company avoids aruba now since the aruban scumbag gov’t white-washed natalee’s disappearance.

      for family vacations – its canada/europe or tahiti – no carribean vacations again.

    46. nurturer on February 15th, 2007 11:45 pm

      Despite the boycott, there are still either selfish idiots, ill-informed or just plain apathetic people who still travel to Aruba.

      Hence the honeymoon couple that got stranded on the tarmac the other on their flight to Aruba. In their case, it may have looked like karma, but it also could have been divine intervention saving a life.

    47. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 15th, 2007 11:48 pm

      So, according to witnesses and to statements made by Paulus, Joran and Paulus were the last two known persons to see Natalee alive.

      Puts a little different twist on things doesn’t it. I believe the Bible has a name for what went on and it is strictly prohibited, and that’s with a willing female. An unwilling or drugged female is a double damnation.

      Paulus is going to crack.

    48. minnesota dad on February 16th, 2007 12:01 am

      All I can say is….I told you so.

      VOID THE JUDGEMENT MADE TO STATE PAULUS WAS NO LONGER A SUSPECT ARUBA! With this…our perp will finally pay for his crimes.

      PAULUS IS YOUR PERP. The evidence and lack of evidence/cover-up actions have been more than overwhelming.

      Let’s go Aruba….wrap this one up. md

    49. minnesota dad on February 16th, 2007 12:10 am

      “According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.”

      HA HA HA….Paulus was attempting to utilize the legal system to add one more layer onto the onion so that he would never be prosecuted for his crimes.

      He has brought Aruba as a country to its knees. Aruba appears to be tired of helping him.

      With this attempt, one layer that was added to the onion has been peeled back. Layer 2 will be for the justice department to issue a retraction of the Karen Janssen letter stating he was no longer a suspect (why a prosecutor would write a letter like this is absolutely beyond comprehension….unless you were helping Paulus put a peel on the onion). Layer 3 will be to VOID the judgement stating Paulus is no longer a suspect.

      With these, the onion has been peeled back; and Paulus can be rearrested and charged for his crimes. Its coming Paulus….Aruba has no choice but to put you down for 15 years. md

    50. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 12:21 am

      LOL Elaine,

      I bet you’re right about that.

      Did Joran and his dad share a drugged Natalee?

      “Your Own Father, Unbelievable.” -Deepak

      Were they picking up from McDonalds… or dropping off?

      “F YOU, that is the PRICE YOU LET MY FATHER PAY, that you suffer.” -Joran, Police Tapes talkin’ to Kalpoes

      You see Joran, with you… there is NO PROOF. WITH LIES

      THERE IS NO PROOF! With us there is proof. -Satish

      (READ- People have seen and witnessed D & S being
      with Joran and Natalee – No eyewitnesses for Paulus being spotted with Nat. (so they thought, at that point in time)

      They kept it ALL IN THE FAMILY! Literally!!! — that is why this thing has stuck together for so long. The two that know everything,are blood related.) All the others don’t know sh&*! for sure, and they are quite aware of the fact that they need to shut up, get paid off, or they’ll be PITBULLED.)

      The answers are firmly cemented near the pool area.


      You’re an s.o.b., Paul Van der sloot (rhymes with boat)

      If you think you are going
      to get away with this,
      I have news for you my

      “You Got Another Thing Comin” – Judas Priest

      That’s right here’s where the talkin’ ends
      Well listen this night there’ll be some action spent
      Drive hard I’m callin’ all the shots
      I got an ace card comin’ down on the rocks -J4N


    51. Molly on February 16th, 2007 12:59 am

      Mayan: I say give them the 15 years and then give them the balcony. Enough of this! J4N

      molly (in Houston)

    52. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 1:07 am

      Joran also gave out a great piece of info
      in one of his many statements.

      While Anita was out of the country.
      He said his dad was in possession
      of her cellphone.

    53. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 1:57 am

      Wow 2 witness’s heard DIShonorable Paules VDS say he picked up Jip & NATALEE? At 4:00 am! And on tape no less! NOT that we didn’t know that since the first time we saw Paules chatting up with Natalee that we knew he took Natalee away.

    54. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:00 am

      Tell it Molly!~ They deserve MUCH worse!

    55. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:06 am

      Has Carin been trying to grow a heart or something…naaah forgitaboutit.

    56. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:09 am

      Zion Rawks!~

    57. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:26 am

      Thanks Miss -U for shouting back!

      Paules has Anita’s camera and the pictures
      it held in a saftey deposit box somewhere
      don’t cha Pawl?

    58. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:32 am

      Hey Carpe!

      Paules had Anita’s celly?? was it clam color or shape orr something like that?

    59. downloadingdaddy on February 16th, 2007 3:12 am

      #50 (Carpe)
      I am not sure if you are aware of it or not, but there is a case where both father and son killed women and then buried them in barells beneath the concrete of thier pools/hot tubs.
      If you are interested then look up Ward Weaver. I believe that this case is very similar.

      MD Dad keep it going!

      God bless everyone that cares about justice for Natalee!

      God bless you beth! You are wonderful and truly deserving of answers! If I knew how to nominate you for woman of the century, I would!
      {{{Hugs for Beth}}}

    60. just moma on February 16th, 2007 4:17 am

      gee I answered that dumb math question and still my post didn’t post!

      What is the importance of the math entry?

      Carpe, I will to remember the post that was lost. In relation to your time frame questions and whether the parties talked to each other.. IMO yes… very easy.. the Sloots were staying at the Director of the Prison KIA director’s house.. very easy for Joran to come home at night or in day via that closed in white van.

      This time frame was also the same time, I think that the Sloots were using the excuse of staying there to get out of the medio limelight and to construct a new cememt surround, deck around their pool (saywhat??) and also the same time furniture was being inbound or outbound from the house.

      Isn’t it interesting that videos are being taken as this case evolves at first??? The Chicago one of the drains, the one of the rocks and the airplane picture flyover when the furniture van was there?

      1) either someone was trying to protect themselves with blackmail insurance or 2) the ALA and govt. knew and did nothing… or 3) a combo of both.

      A Scared Monkey on the .net needs to know what is the exact date of the filming of the Chicago video of the drains that you have spent so much time on (thanks) and the exact time of the time when Joran went with the police in handcuffs to Fishermen’s Huts to show them where Natalee was buried and he returned along to the police car and hit on the hood of the police car in great anger? The person has been working weeks on a theory you might be interested in. Thanks in Advance “just moma”

    61. just moma on February 16th, 2007 4:24 am

      Carpe please, would you mind logging into the .net and tell IBE the exact date of Joran’s visit with the Police to the Fishermens’ huts, the day he hit his fists on the police car in anger. IBE’s post says that Monkeys have shown the screen shot of that day from tV and have made ref. of articles that tell the suspects went there… but no listing of the exact day. TIA She seems to think it is important to what she is thinking about.

      All Monkeys… continue the Good Work.. Justice is rolling along, faster and deeper on each roll until it mows down the ones that need to be mowed down.

    62. Richard on February 16th, 2007 6:05 am

      I’m still trying to figure out all of these bombshells that are just coming out. So much for the idea that we weren’t going to get anything new in this “cold” case!

      Who are the two witnesses who made these statements? (I wonder if they could be the Kalpoes!)

      We know that Natalee left Carlos ‘n’ Charlies somewhere around 1 a.m. This new report (new to us, anyway) says that PvdS, early on, told somebody (presumably over the phone; hence the remarks were taped) that he had picked BOTH of them up at 4 a.m. at McDonald’s. Beth’s remark was that he said he picked up Joran ONLY at McDonald’s at 4 a.m., and later changed the time to 11 p.m.

      One thing: if indeed Natalee at 4 a.m. was in a bad way, I don’t think that Joran would have arranged to have his father meet him at McDonald’s. Don’t you think that would attract attention? (Though on the drug-infested island of Aruba, he might have thought that it could be dismissed as “just another tourist” OD’ing.)

      Is it possible that PvdS concocted this story very soon after Natalee went missing (I don’t think we were given a date for when this story was heard) as an attempt to turn away suspicion? (“Look, I saw Natalee at 4 a.m. in the company of my son, so I know she was fine then and that he didn’t hurt her.”)

      And then, when he realized that the case wasn’t going away, he decided to drop it?

      I certainly wish we knew TO WHOM he made these comments.

      All I can say now is … keep your seatbelts fastened. It looks like we’re still in for a wild ride.

      And as always … keep up the pressure on Aruba.

    63. Richard on February 16th, 2007 6:09 am

      And so this new information is said to be coming from the “interim” attorney general. Is it a recent discovery (meaning that they have just now put taps on the vdS phone) or does it date from the days of Karin Janssen (more likely the latter, I’d say)?

      If so, how and why did she keep it suppressed … or did she? Maybe the Aruba court is now prepared to use the information, when it wasn’t before?

      Is there some kind of agreement now that the “fix” is no longer in?

      I certainly don’t know. Hopefully we will, soon.

    64. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 16th, 2007 8:15 am

      This completely blindsides me. It explains so much. It explains why the K2s were never framed (except a vain attempt by Joran). It means that the prosecution was involved in the attempted frame of the two security guards (if she knew that Paulus picked Natalee and Joran up, and I think she did). It means that the prime suspects are a father and a son. It means that Natalee was still alive at 4:00 am.

      Did two witnesses see Paulus pick Natalee and Joran up, or did they hear Paulus say he picked them up? How about it 1906. Put your analytical mind to work on this one.

    65. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 16th, 2007 8:19 am

      This story does not change a thing. It just sets our worst fears, our assumptions, and our list of perps in concrete.

    66. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 16th, 2007 8:29 am

      We have always thought that Paulus was present at Natalee’s death.

      Anyone remember when I got off on investigating the hospital? Could they have taken Natalee to the E.R.? Thus we have the cash withdrawals.

      Noble hands could have been padded. Even some that are not quite so noble. Something is coming to mind. I see it so clearly.

    67. JusticeforNatalee on February 16th, 2007 9:49 am

      Maybe Paulus picked them up
      NEAR McDonalds.

    68. Miss-Underestimated on February 16th, 2007 10:50 am

      Does anyone remember Beth saying one of the MB kids got a call that Natalee was kidnapped?

      I am wondering if this call was placed by the perps, to create a fake scenario that Natalee was kidnapped never to be found?

    69. minnesota dad on February 16th, 2007 10:52 am

      What is clear, is that Natalee died in the home of Paulus and Anita.











      Perhaps Paulus did bring the two home, she was in tough shape though from the pimps (wever, gottenboes, croimvert, etc.) raping and beating her. I still believe that there was a party at Paulus’ home with he and the pimps and something bad happened. The 4 am story may be either a Red Herring, or, they were moving Natalee’s body to a place near the MacDonalds at 4 am.



    70. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 10:53 am

      IBE & JustMoma

      I believe the beach walk with J was on 6/11/2005

    71. Achilles on February 16th, 2007 10:58 am

      Time to get the sporter back to talk to the reporters,the ropes getting shorter.Hangman Hangman, wait a little…

    72. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 11:06 am


      MARCH 2006


      Interviewer: Treated fairly or unfairly by the system here?

      Joran van der Sloot: Yes, that’s… you know, that’s a hard question to answer because now that, you know, since you’ve been… you know, you lied… you lied to the police, I mean, how can you say… if anything, those days in jail, when I thought about it, I deserved those. I mean, it’s all been a learning experience for me, too. If anything, I deserved those days in jail because… just for being so… yes, so stupid, so… you

      know, just thinking about yourself. And I think, if anything, that, you know, my father being in the legal system worked against me.

      Interviewer: Why?

      Joran van der Sloot: I don’t think… they took it harder on me because of that.

      Interviewer: In terms of hard, which way?

      Joran van der Sloot: Not treating you, you know, fairly, not treating you in the way they should have… they should have treated you because even the police did a lot of
      things that police shouldn’t do during interrogations. I mean, everyone has the view that the police, you know, treated us in a different way because of that, but that’s
      definitely not the case. I mean, we weren’t treated well by the police at all. I mean, not in any way, not in any aspect.

      Interviewer: How? Give me an example.

      Joran van der Sloot: I mean, one of the police officers hit me during interrogations. When he took me out of the room, he said, (DELETED) the cameras, and he hit me. I mean, they would come to talk to me in rooms, you know, when there’s no… when there’s no cameras and they’re not taping everything. They’d come and talk to me, and you know, fill (ph) your whole… almost make you… you know, make you go crazy. You know, they yell stuff at you, say stuff to you and… you know?


      SEPTEMBER 2006


      Reporter: And what was it like in your cell?

      Joran van der Sloot: In my cell it was, I was with two other people in my cell. The people were very nice. The guards were very nice. And I was treated well there. -J4N

    73. Janet on February 16th, 2007 11:11 am

      Aruba not only had the evidence that would solve the Natalee Holloway case …. the “powers that be” in the investigation/government/justice system attempted to create smokescreens …. spokespersons were hired to create smokescreens …. posters were placed on internet forums to create smokescreens …. This was all done in a futile attempt to distance Paulus and Joran from being implicated in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and … make the case go away. Despicable!!!
      However, the “powers that be” in Aruba did not anticipate an amazing woman by the name of Beth Twitty to bring them to their knees. The determination and strength of this mother …. who was on a quest that dictated justice for her beloved daughter …. knew know bounds and was greatly underestimated.
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      October 24, 2005
      HOLLOWAY TWITTY: …. I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

    74. Janet on February 16th, 2007 11:20 am

      Maybe … just maybe … the house of cards referred to by Art Wood is beginning to collapse.
      ART WOOD
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      December 2, 2005
      WOOD: …… But that’s why this case could be solved, Rita. The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

    75. Achilles on February 16th, 2007 11:50 am

      Surely one person on Aruba has the balls to write or say the truth.Till then the island will sufer with lost tourism and the black eye of the caribean!

    76. ILoveAmerica on February 16th, 2007 12:31 pm

      #75 – nobody on that island has balls or this would not have happened 20 times and “nothing ever went wrong”.

    77. Sheri in Michigan on February 16th, 2007 12:44 pm

      I again ask, where was younger VDL boy, Joran’s brother? I believe it was during Joran’s 2-part interview with Joran (maybe the one where he kept blinking and drinking water-the likes of someone who is guilty)that he mentioned his dad was at the casino, but had to go home to take care of his little brother because his mom (Anita) was out of town. What does this little brother know about all this? Nothing has ever been mentioned, and he was apparently at the VDS home all this time. Anyone know?

      I’m glad to see they will be coming down….falling into their own lying stinkhole! It’s about time! I knew eventully all those lies wouldn’t hold up. There were too many involved for lies to withhold. I cannot wait for the day when those thugs are re-arrested and carried off for good!


    78. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 12:53 pm

      DANG, my inner alarm just went off. I
      smell troll pootie. :)

      rocks close up of H2 & H3



      PPS Triangulation


    79. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 1:02 pm

      #58 Mayan says:

      Paulus had Anita’s celly??
      was it clam color or shape
      or something like that?

      Yes, it matches her chemise. ;)

    80. Meee on February 16th, 2007 1:05 pm

      A little off the path of this discussion. But I just read in the Daily News. That GQ magazine plans on doing an article on Taco Joe. The title of the story is “1 800 Save My Ass” The story by Lisa DePaulo begins, Suspected of Murdering a blonde girl in Aruba? Having some problems with your appointment as home-land security chief? Made the mistake of having sex with Christie Brinkleys husband? Call Taco Joe, the best dressed, smooth-talking, hardest-working. Criminal defense attorney going, and for a mere $750 dollars an hour, everything will be OK. There is also a picture of him. With the Caption “Billable Hero”

    81. susieq on February 16th, 2007 1:12 pm

      I don’t know what I did wrong, doesn’t 4 + 5 = 9? I’ll try again.
      Does anyone know what exactly Paulus said, was it that he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds, or was it that he
      picked THEM up at Mcdonalds? If it was them, he might have meant the Kalpoes, cause Natalee and Joran were already at his house. And maybe that’s what some of the cash withdrawals were about, hush money and ‘go get your car cleaned up’ money. And the camera was missing even before Anita arrived home. But who has it, is it’s missing a good thing or a bad thing?
      Sorry, you wonderful Monkeys. This really gets to me sometimes and I have to back off. You are much stronger and better than I am. Love you all. J4N

    82. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 2:07 pm

      LOL CARPE!~

      i smell it too (troll pootie)

      it was a clam color crabby!

    83. Miss-Underestimated on February 16th, 2007 2:47 pm

      Oh Pauley lost his spin to bankrupt on the wheel of misfortune. He thought he was gonna win but, tic, tic, ticc, OHHHH, dammm bankrupt. Our next contestants Deepak and Satish, your turn to spin the wheel of misfortune, your gonna need a big spin to pass the bankrupt in Calyforny-ia.

      On our wheel you will see a free trip back to Aruba to face the music.

    84. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 3:02 pm

      Miss-Understood i just love the personal twist you add to every aspect that rears its ugly head here!

      You Rock Miss!~

    85. Miss-Underestimated on February 16th, 2007 3:18 pm


      Good day to you.

    86. mayan_moons on February 16th, 2007 3:41 pm

      All of you rock….refusing to let go or give up no matter what. Thats why the truth will prevail and if Aruba has any sense they will realize this.

    87. Miss-Underestimated on February 16th, 2007 4:16 pm

      No rest until justice is served Mayan…
      Too bad this had to bring us together…If I ever need help this is the place to go.

      Red…Tom….Klaas….Mrs. Red….Dana and Vanderbilt they are Primo, giving us this place to help bring justice for Natalee Holloway.

      BTW Pauley almost of won a camera, on a spin.

    88. wreck on February 16th, 2007 5:25 pm

      This is FINALLY near conclusion!!! I say that because for the FIRST time since Day 1 — the actual FACTS are being admitted to and acknowledged by the Aruban/Dutch judicial system. The Authorities in Aruba have KNOWN from the beginning that Paulus LIED!!! Only now; are they having to acknowledge the truth. Our persistence has finally paid off — they have succombed to our pressure.
      Aruba gambled (and lost) that we would simply forget and move on. Only now do I really think we are about to get justice for Natalee!

    89. KrisG on February 16th, 2007 6:03 pm

      It’s been a long time since I’ve posted as “kris” and will now post as “KrisG”.

      I am so glad this new information about Paulus is coming out. Many of us think he is much more involved and that the VDS residence is the scene of the crime.

      Aruba: You should know that there are still many people spreading Natalee’s story and keeping the boycott alive. My husband and I decided to drive from Chicago to Taos, NM for our Christmas family reunion. All along the way at rest stops, gas stations and other public bulletin boards, including the Taos Visitor’s Center, I posted my “Boycott Aruba-Find Natalee Holloway” bumper stickers.

      Holloway and Twitty family members we are still out here hoping and praying that justice for Natalee will come.

    90. Patti on February 16th, 2007 6:08 pm


      I agree with you 100%!

      Here is the link for the transcript of the secretly recorded conversation between the three suspects in the back of the squad car:

      I think it’s interesting that one of the topics that they talk about is that of a lie told by Joran (I assume in his statement to police) about Satish going back and picking up Natalee from the beach.

      I’ve already posted my thoughts on a previous thread, but I thought you might find it interesting to review this in light of Joran and Natalee being picked up by Paulus.

      It is still very interesting, indeed, with all the threats being thrown into the direction of the Kalpoes… even death threats!

    91. Patti on February 16th, 2007 6:18 pm


      It sounds to me that the Kalpoe’s are saying that they’ve come clean in their statements to the police, even about the chollar, for their own benefit.

      They keep urging Joran to simply tell the truth…

      is that possible?

    92. ben on February 16th, 2007 7:15 pm

      this news has made my day.i dont post much any more but i check out scaredmonkeys everyday 4 up dates.

    93. Maggie on February 16th, 2007 7:30 pm

      Great quotes.. All Joran has done is lie and deny, let 2 innocent men sit in jail for 9 days, and lie some more, yet he says, I do what my family tells me to do.

      Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, retard.

      Here HE’S THE VICTIM again of Natalee and the MB students. Hey Joran last I looked you are alive and going to college. I would say Natalee could use these lines , were she alive to do so.

      Prime Suspect J. SLOOT:(LOONIE TUNES) I don’t have anything to say to Beth, not one thing at all. WAGSCHAL: What are your memories of Natalee like? Prime Suspect J. SLOOT: I don’t really have that many memories. I mean, I knew her for one night. I feel stupid…I feel horrible that I even went out that night without my father knowing. I SHOULD’VE JUST STAYED HOME AND THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO ME. IT WOULD’VE HAPPENED TO ANOTHER PERSON. I try to look at it, that I WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME. MAYBE EVEN THE WRONG PEOPLE. And I just hope that the truth comes out. That this comes to some clarity in this case.

      Another great quote from Anita..This after Paulus is in a casino with his underage son drinking and gambling.

      “If we would have had any feeling that he was involved in something, Paul would have taken him to the police station and said: ‘Here, hold him, he did something. He deserves his punishment,’” Anita van der Sloot said.

    94. Richard on February 16th, 2007 8:58 pm

      I’ve thought about these revelations all day, and they don’t persuade me that Aruba is suddenly changing course and seeking justice.

      My own interpretation is that someone in the Aruban government had enough sense to realize that a bigger payment to PvdS would be like waving a red flag to us boycott advocates. And Aruba doesn’t have the money anyway.

      So they looked back and found something (surely there’s much more than they need) to justify voiding any award.

      Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily indicate that they will be any more adamant in pushing for justice. We’ll see.

      As far as I know, the ball is still in the Dutch court. No pun intended.

    95. Richard on February 16th, 2007 9:02 pm

      Nor, of course, should this or any comment by PvdS be taken at face value. Just because he may have said it doesn’t make it true.

    96. Richard on February 16th, 2007 10:07 pm

      An idea … does anyone remember which law firm on Aruba PvdS is now working for? It might be well to research it (if possible) and find out if it has any American clients.

      If so, and if PvdS ever is formally declared to be a suspect again, we can be ready to write to these clients pointing out that a member of a law firm they retain is a suspect in the disappearance/rape/murder of an American citizen. Surely there must be ethical law firms, even on Aruba.

    97. JusticeforNatalee on February 16th, 2007 10:21 pm

      The Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot

      | The Holloway case |
      Saturday February 17th

      Son Valentijn did not welcome the arrival of me, a journalist. “Dad, haven’t you got better things to do on a Sunday afternoon, because there is a chance that you will say things you are going to regret or that everything is going to be twisted and turned around again”, that was what Valentijn had just said to his father Paul van der Sloot in a very parentally protective way.

      And yes, he too had doubted until the last moment whether or not he should call and cancel. On that internal discussion, that dilemma, he falls back regularly. What to do? Do they as a family try, as normally as possible and far away from the media, to get on with their lives? Or should they speak out? “Perhaps, just perhaps” reasons Van der Sloot sr. as to why he had not canceled, “maybe something positive will come out of all the negative. Maybe people going through something like this themselves will learn from our experiences because crisis-situations are very alike”.

      But the crisis situation in which the van der Sloot family is in since the Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared on May 30th of 2005, is truly very bizarre indeed. The American girl was celebrating a graduation party with her fellow student on “One Happy Island”. Van der Sloot was subsequently held for three days on the police station, his son was in jail until early September, because of suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of the American girl.

      Now it is quiet around the bungalow in Montana. The sons Valentijn (17) and Sebastian (12) are with friends. Van der Sloots wife Anita is in the Netherlands to support Joran, who is suffering from mono (Mononucleosis), with the release of his book that is due out in April. We too are writing some things down. If you write things down, you have to deal with it it and that is something that we are hard at work to do. You think that writing things down will give it a place. It is difficult get closure on something like this. I hope that the final verdict in the lawsuit for compensation will be something like closure for me.

      That is possible now: last week the judge ruled that Paul van der Sloot was indeed held without justification, but he did not award him any compensation for it.

      Wouldn’t it have been better to release just one book, with all of your stories in it?
      “Yes, that would have been something that I would have preferred, but Joran was already in contact with the publisher. He doesn’t sugercoat his actions in the book. It is good that he is doing this, but it also comes with lots of tension for him. For exaomple, How will people react to it? Can he get his message across?”.

      But that is nothing compared to the fear and the tension of when Joran was arrested.

      “All those weeks I was very calm. You move above the situation so to speak. The situation itself was so bizarre. Almost like being in trance, a sort of state meditation. You keep being able to organize things, and it was indeed very important during that time to be there for each other and to organize things”.

      How was it to be confined to your house due to a horde of media representatives that had posted themselves outside of your front-door?

      “I had been at home from the beginning, I was unable to continue my legal work at the courthouse. With the president of the Court I had agreed that I would take a leave of absence to make sure there was not even the appearance of conflict of interest. Anita did not miss a day of schoolwork at the school she works on. Everyday we went to Joran at the police. A lot of support came from the people where we live, from acquaintances and friends. They tried to shield us from the media-assault. Valentijn and Sebastian went to friends in the States. There they were safely taken in and protected from everything. We had tried from the beginning to always look on the positive side of things. The family bond grew stronger and stronger”.

      Are you filled with feelings of animosity towards the media, the big American stations and the journalists who followed every move you made?

      “No, it is more that we wonder: how could this have happened? And especially sadness and feelings of anger. The journalists we came into contact with, all had their own agendas. They were out for the easy story and failed to do any research”.

      “Especially when Joran got out, it became intense. He, even though we had advised him not to, did not avoid the media. He did not really do badly with the interviews, but then it was put through a spin cycle that the end result did not reflect what was said.”.

      “We had also not realized that it was a hype in the Netherlands too. We were startled by the fact that we were met by a horde of journalists when we arrived at Schiphol. Even now strange things happen. Peter R. de Vries stood on the doorstep of the house without any notification. You are being treated like public property. The media are trying to create an image of good and evil. You see yourself back through the eyes of the media and they portray you a person that is nothing like you. Most people realize that and see through it, others are not able to fully do that and they see that image at least as partly real. It is very difficult to stay authentic.”.

      On the internet you have been completely dissected.. Dozens of pictures of Joran and your entire family. All kinds of details of his and your life.

      “The internet is a source of information, but also a gutter. Anything is possible, everything is allowed. And the media are open to it, they use things from it. First you are shocked and feel powerless. But is all belongs to this false reality we have rolled into”.

      There were more players in the Holloway case than the media. The Public Prosecution office, the Aruban government and Natalee’s parents.

      The public prosecutions office had a complete tunnel vision and become totally frustrated. The ease with which Joran was badmouthed! The ease with which police officers kept making comments! Police Chief Dompig who goes around saying: ‘The boys are as guilty as hell’. Words that were easily lapped up by the hungry media. Friends of Joran were arrested for no other reason then being a friend of Joran. That of all things hurt me most. In the beginning Joran was not questioned enough, only a few times. If the police had pressed on at that time, Joran would have told the real story much sooner”.

      “The police was busy with the media, the prosecution office had completely lost the plot. In the beginning I had pleaded with the police to question Joran, to make sure no details would get lost. It is startling that the Prosecution Office completely lost control of the handing the investigation. The Prosecution Office’s image had become more important than the case itself. Especially Joran’s life was very interesting and all kinds of things were completely thrown onto the streets”.

      Also by Natalee’s parents?

      “The first thing that you want to do is give support to the parents. However you look at it, Joran left their daughter on the beach, and for that we feel responsible. A contact like that has not taken place, even though one could have been there for each other. We would have so much wanted to support them. But it was made impossible for us. They got the media involved the very first evening”.

      “In the end they too got caught in the media web. We really tried to get in touch with them, but they were absolutely not interested in that. They frustrated the investigation and have been very unfair to Joran and the entire island. As parents of a missing child you get a lot of leeway, but they needlessly hurt a lot of people. And that too, will not bring back their daughter.”

      Still the case keeps surrounded by something. What exactly happened on that beach? Her disappearance remains a mystery.

      “As long as it is not exactly clear what happened to her, the case is not done. Joran didn’t immediately come out with the real story. That is something he now really regrets. That he did this is explainable by the fact that Natalee family came on strong towards him from the get go, but it was wrong, and inexcusable. The dutch police is looking at the case now as a ‘cold case’. I expect the Prosecution Office will close the dossier in June. But somehow I hope that an independent spirit is still looking into this case and that he will solve the case”.

      Joran has become a famous citizen of the world. Someone googling his name on the net will get 100,000 ‘hits’. Has that made him feel important?

      “Joran wants to live a normal life as a student. But the whole case did have an enormous impact on him. On all kinds of aspects of his life. The normal conflicts you have as a parent of a seventeen year old teen have been made impossible. We think it would be a good thing if he would take a year off and go to Africa to be a volunteer. Then he can truly life anonymously. He, like many other young people in the world, does not know what real poverty is. He can find out what that is in the developing world.”.

      “What hurts a lot has been the character assassination of Joran. All his teenage secrets were blown out of all proportions and used to from a certain image. But on the whole, he is doing well. He is incredibly strong. He wants to keep studying and has built up a new social life for him. He was really well received by everyone at the school in Arnhem. On that school there are people who did not let the media frenzy influence them and who were willing to give Joran a chance without any hesitation. On the first day of school Joran told his story in class. Once they tried to get him in the Netherlands. That was our worst fear, that this media frenzy would lead to attacks on him by someone that was mentally unstable. Luckily it did not go any further than some pushing and pulling.

      And the father, how is it for him to get back to his life on Aruba?

      “When this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I had been working in Den Bosch as a judge in training for civil court. I had worked very hard there and had learned a lot, but when the end of my training period loomed, I got the feeling that I was not yet ready for being a judge. I have now been working in a small lawyer firm for about a year. I feel at home there. As a lawyer you are almost like a life-line for the people and I can relate to that, I have experienced how it is on their side.”.

      “I mostly do corporate cases and mediation, but also criminal and civil cases. I have had the experience to see all sides of the legal world. Government, Public Prosecution office, judge and I have also been a suspect. Because of that completely absurd and illogical behavior of the Public Prosecution office, I have had fears for a while at least. Fears like: “Maybe the fools will come and arrest me, Anita or one of the children again”.

      Regardless of everything that has happened, does your future still lie on Aruba?

      “We feel a connection to Aruba. We have immediately tried to get on with our life here and to not let us get sidetracked by it. So far we have been doing pretty good on that front. A few times I have had to fend off an annoying American from getting to us. A lot of Arubans support us. Many Arubans live very pure, have their own life-wisdoms and do not get mislead by the media. Aruba is a tight community with a great feeling of togetherness. In that way all of this negativity that gets heaped on oneself, at some point becomes the starting point for beautiful new experiences.”.

      Courtesy BFN/Rammstein

    98. JusticeforNatalee on February 16th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Link to Dutch newspaper publishing interview:

      I think the interview appears in a special section called “Spectrum.”

    99. Carpe Noctem on February 16th, 2007 11:04 pm

      Second, According to Joran, he snuck out of his home at 11 PM, yet was not picked up until 12:15 – 12:25 AM by the Kalpoe’s. Where was Joran from the time he left the casino and 12:15 – 12:25 AM? I doubt he is sitting in his front yard waiting for the Kalpoe’s to arrive. If Paulus Van Der Sloot is not home, as he claims, it is unlikely that Joran snuck out at all, and could have been out and about from the time he exits the casino and wherever the Kalpoe’s actually pick him up.

      You have two of the main suspects with unaccounted for time. According to Joran, Paulus went home to feed a brother dinner . As with everything Joran has said, you can bet that is a lie also. He has no credibility. Early reports have Paulus Van Der Sloot returning from Holland via Curacao to Aruba alone. The other children traveled with Anita Van Der Sloot when she returned on Wednesday.

      ( Oh SH-NAP. Great goobily GOOP!!!!… you’ve got a situation here where the kid is running the show! He’s pulling the switches and throwing levers behind the curtain. He is the all powerful OZ.)

      It is almost just like the movie HOME ALONE!!!

      Only completely different…

      Instead of Macaulay Culkin, it’s big 7 foot ‘Lurch’ looking muggerfuzzle in a pair of ‘super-fly’ wooden shoes.


      Thanks CBB, I loooooooove my new
      avatar you made for me!


    100. Maggie on February 16th, 2007 11:06 pm

      Would Paulus like a little cheese with his whineeee?! Woe is me.. It was the media, it was Natalee, it was her parents, yeah that’s the ticket. Natalee just “mysteriously” disappeared on that little island and Joran put her on the beach. Paulus was that before or after you said you picked Natalee and Joran up at 4am? Why does Joran say Satish picked him up and Satish and Deepak say, they never picked him up that night? Paulus why are you and Joran walking around with over 1000 police files on Natalee’s case?

    101. wreck on February 16th, 2007 11:12 pm

      “The Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot”
      ………words escape me!!!!!!!
      (but I have NO DOUBT the “people of the ditch” ARE having nightmares!!!!!)

    102. JusticeforNatalee on February 16th, 2007 11:22 pm

      Well, I certainly plan to e-mail the editor in chief.

      Any other takers?

      Am I safe in assuming that he/she can read English?

    103. dennisintn on February 16th, 2007 11:27 pm

      sounds to me like at the time of this interview, paulus fully expected to collect on his lawsuit. thinks it will help give his family closure. right. i do think he may have been correct thinking he had a connection to the island and will stay there. he can’t afford to have anyone else taking liberties like searching the premises for natalee or what happened to her there. the polis are at fault, natalee was at fault, the prosecution was at fault, the media was at fault, natalee’s family was at fault, am i leaving anyone out that paulus blames this on? everyone is at fault except the sporter. i’d imagine the interviewer is still suffering severe gastric distress and nausea from having to write all that garbage up.

    104. Observer on February 16th, 2007 11:29 pm

      I beleave Paulus works for Antonio Carlo(Joran’s Lawyer)

      Something still stinks!! If the prosecution knew that paulus picked them both up at 4am why did everything they put out say the opposite?? WHy did they have a renactment with a totally false timeline? They have had us on wild goose chases and looking everywhere else. First dompig stated that there was no proof that anyone had sex with natalee then on tape behind close doors he states that the boys did have sex with her.

      Paulus has cost the country of aruba dearly. Millions and Millions were lost. He has a dirty little secret that he cares not to share with natalees family. What right does he have? He has admitted he knows what happened but cant tell or it would hurt too many people.

      I think its time the good people of aruba lynch this guy. What right does he have to play god with someones daughter? What right does he have to hold a whole country hostage? Beth and Dave deserve to know what happened to there daughter. Paulus deserves the maximum punishment.

    105. Meee on February 16th, 2007 11:36 pm

      To Justicefornatalee- thanks for the link. I emailed them my thoughts on the article. Not sure it went to the right place though.

    106. Observer on February 16th, 2007 11:36 pm

      I think we have all known that paulus is the one who picked up joran and natalee that night. I beleave the K2 brothers were honest when they said they dropped him off. However it is the only thing they were honest about.

      Who was on the computer at 3.30 am if it wasnt joran? Well it could only be a couple of people. Remember we learned that his good friend freddy was a houseguest that night. Maybee paulus was all gakked out on one of the many drugs that are all over that island. The wife was away and that meant paulus and joran could play.

    107. Tazman on February 17th, 2007 12:18 am

      You could tell by the interview of Paulos and Anita at their home with Greta and Beth, that Anita looked “furious” when she looked at Paulos. And he was sweating profusely. The message was right there in their faces that day that Paulos was involved and Anita knew it!!

    108. JusticeforNatalee on February 17th, 2007 12:29 am

      Direct link for contacting editor regarding Paulus’s interview:

      I plan to write in English. From what I understand,
      most educated Dutch citizens understand English.

    109. mayan_moons on February 17th, 2007 12:40 am

      Paules & Anita created this frankenstein monster Jurine, he learned from his daddy’s hip how to lie cheat & scam you’re way through life. To disregard young girls and women in general, to manhandle them & drug them and rape them. If you have a daughter or niece you’d want to kill this beast of a human being.

    110. mayan_moons on February 17th, 2007 12:43 am

      I’m not even repsonding to that laughable load of BS up there, these men took Natalee away….forever.

      Thats when you forfeit you’re life aswell.

    111. dennisintn on February 17th, 2007 12:54 am

      just sitting here thinking about paulus’ interviews on tv and and comparing them to tonight’s fantasies, i’m all ready up to 6 discrepancies in what he said tonight compared to his other little speeches. he’s as bad as the sporter about remembering prior lies.

    112. JusticeforNatalee on February 17th, 2007 1:04 am

      Well, Mayan, it IS baloney.

      But we can’t just let Paulus get away with spin.

    113. mayan_moons on February 17th, 2007 1:34 am

      Absolutely not going to let em get away with that spin Justice bit i’m just like hahaha is that it? Thats the best you could do eh? Are you drinking alot more since your husband & son led Natalee away Anita?

    114. mayan_moons on February 17th, 2007 1:43 am

      Oh and you are not famous goonboy, you & your family are fodder for ridicule & disgust.

    115. mayan_moons on February 17th, 2007 1:50 am

      Wonder how many pimp(les) on Aruba will think twice before doing things you can’t take back…maybe some…maybe none. But consider yourself warned when you look at the mess Jurine & Paul & Kalpukes have made out of their lives.

    116. Carpe Noctem on February 17th, 2007 1:59 am


      I asked him if he had had sex with the girl. He said that they went into the water briefly and that after that they sat down on the beach and the girl had fallen asleep, that is what I understood. His actual words were that the girl “passed out” on the beach and that he left her there. I asked him why he had left her there. He answered that she would be leaving the same day and that someone would find her there. I cursed him/told him off for the fact that he had left her there. I even told him he was sick for doing that to the girl. I have to tell you there was a lot of disturbance on the phone. It happened several times that I could not hear Joran. At some point it was so bad that he said that when he would get home, he would come online.

      I wonder if he got water in his cellphone?

    117. Sparks on February 17th, 2007 2:25 am

      I just want to say our prayers are with the Holloway family.

      It is unbelievable Aruba sat on this information about Paulus.I hope Aruba re-arrest Joran & Paulus in the next week. I hope Holland police investigators find who was helping the Van Der Sloots. Finally, they need to bring Natalee’s remains home.

      Did Paulus meet Natalee the first time at the casino as the casino video may show?

    118. downloadingdaddy on February 17th, 2007 4:50 am

      Joran knows part of what happened, Paulus knows all of what happened. It is obvious to so many that these two were involved.

      It is time for this case to be solved, or I believe the damage to tourism will be absolutely irreparable.

      Aruba, Netherlands, If you care about your tourism so much, then it is time for you to solve this case!

      I see lots of new posters lately that are in support of Natalee and all that care, so I believe it is safe to assume that the boycott is going to get stronger from this point on.

      Justice for Natalee!
      Boycott Aruba And the Netherland Antilles and help keep Beth and Daves hopes alive!

    119. downloadingdaddy on February 17th, 2007 4:59 am

      Could it be possible that Jorans staement “I would laugh if they find the girl alive” Mean that other girls have been found dead after Paulus had been with them last?

      Tear up the concrete around the pool! There may be many surprises lurking just below the surface!

    120. 10061906 on February 17th, 2007 7:35 am

      Does anyone know who authorized and paid for the Claussen Detective Agency’s trip to Aruba? They say in their report that an informant told them that Natalee was taken to the Lion’s Den. However the telephone service at 17 Noord is registered to a dental clinic. Nothing more was ever heard from this agency and no one else questioned the informant that until this day his identity is unknown.

    121. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:42 am

      Meanwhile, the negative “karma” for launching a new service to Aruba is continuing to weigh on JetBlue. Here’s part of a press release from Saturday, Feb. 17:

      JetBlue Airways Pre-Cancels 23 Percent of its Scheduled Flights for Feb. 17 and Feb. 18, 2007
      Saturday February 17, 5:56 am ET

      NEW YORK, Feb. 17, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) — JetBlue Airways today announces that it has pre-cancelled 23 percent of its Saturday, Feb. 17 and Sunday, Feb. 18 schedule in order to reset the operation by positioning all aircraft and allowing flight crews to reset their operating clocks. Further cancellations may occur throughout the operating days.

      (end of quote)

      Unfortunately, the Aruba flight is not on the list of cancelled services.

    122. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:47 am

      JusticeforNatalee (#97), do you know the date of that interview? It almost looks to me as though it were a prepared media handout … it seems to be so oblivious to the everyday reality of the case.

      It also says the court agreed that PvdS was held unjustly, although no damages were awarded. That sounds contrary to common sense, given that damages were indeed initially awarded, and we haven’t heard anything (to my knowledge) about the court saying detention was unjust. Quite the contrary.

      It makes you laugh (with repulsion), that bit about wanting dear little Joran to go off to Africa for a year and do humanitarian service so as to open his eyes to the reality of life. Where in Africa are the casinos where he could drink and gamble, though underage?

      “Aruba is a tight community with a great feeling of togetherness. In that way all of this negativity that gets heaped on oneself, at some point becomes the starting point for beautiful new experiences.”

      Excuse me while I go bend over the toilet….

    123. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:52 am

      “Joran didn’t immediately come out with the real story.”

      And he hasn’t yet, either, right? Remember, PvdS, that your son emailed the Greta van Susteren show saying that someday he would tell the real story … but not now?

      Still hasn’t, has he? Why don’t you get him to do that, for a start?

    124. Skyboxx on February 17th, 2007 8:21 am

      There was also information that Natalee’s room key had been used once or twice during the night of the disppearance. If Paulus dirt bag and his son on father son night in Aruba did take NH from Mac D’s to the hotel, and entered her room, then left with her again.

      Remember Deepak’s statement in the back of the car, “your own father……”

      Paulus has been up to his neck in this from the beginning.

    125. Skyboxx on February 17th, 2007 8:40 am

      in the words of Shango….

      “DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

      The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

      Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception. ”

      Keep the clamor up monkeys…..keep the pressure going,,,


    126. Linda in MD on February 17th, 2007 8:48 am

      No YoYo? Surely he has thoughts about the denial of compensation.

    127. Linda in MD on February 17th, 2007 10:03 am

      From the monthly bulletin of the Central Bank of Aruba for December 2006:

      In the first eleven months of 2006, stay-over visitors and total nights spent on the island shrank cumulatively by 6.8 percent and 5.1 percent, respectively.

    128. Crioyo on February 17th, 2007 10:27 am


      wouldn’t the second contact be, when he supposedly sits with j|nh at the pokertable?

    129. Richard on February 17th, 2007 11:09 am

      Skyboxx (#124), do you know if that information ever was confirmed about the use of Natalee’s key that night?

      Assuming malignant motives on the part of whoever had Natalee at that time (a safe assumption, it seems to me), it’s hard to imagine that they would bring her back to the hotel (never mind the condition she probably would have been in), let her go into her room and leave it again … where the other MB students were sleeping! … and then somehow have her leave again.

      None of us believes that Natalee vanished of her own accord. And her money, luggage, etc. was found in her room.

      So I can’t fathom any motive for anyone letting her return there, or thinking that she wouldn’t have taken action to secure her safety once there.

    130. wreck on February 17th, 2007 11:16 am

      I agree with Richard. There were 3 keys to Natalee’s room at the HI. The key Natalee was using was not used since about 7:30pm the night before (if I recall correctly). It was one of her roomates that used the key later that night. Natalee NEVER returned to the HI. There is absolutely no corroberation that she did.

    131. Richard on February 17th, 2007 12:02 pm

      Here’s something that these recent revelations bring to mind:

      We know that the New York judge, in the family’s suit vs. Joran van der Sloot, threw the case out of court because that judge thought Aruba was the proper venue for it.

      The family (as far as I know, anyway) do not know what information is in the files of the Aruba police. I believe they have said as much.

      It seems clear that there is more there than we know … this stuff about the two witnesses is new.

      So I’m wondering whether they might be giving new thought to the idea of filing suit on Aruba. Obviously I don’t know, but when stuff like this comes out it must make everyone wonder what else is in Aruba police files that hasn’t been divulged.

      If such a suit were to be filed, does Dutch/Aruba law (whatever it may be) mandate that the Aruba police open their files to the family’s attorneys? Or is that only for the defense?

    132. minnesota dad on February 17th, 2007 12:15 pm

      Aruba/Dutch Investigators and the NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL;

      On monday, please demand the IMMEDIATE retraction of the letter written by Karin Janssen of the justice department declaring that Paulus Van Der Sloot was NO LONGER A SUSPECT in the case.

      Karin Janssen had severe CONFLICT OF INTEREST in writing this letter. Further, though Karin Janssen wrote this letter for her friend, Paulus, she did not provide a similar letter for the two black guys, Wever, Croimvert, Kalpoes, Joran, Croes, and others that have been arrested or brought in for questioning.

      It is this letter, that the Aruban Justice System and Paulus’ black robed judicial buddies, have used to orchestrate declaring legally in court that Paulus is ‘NO LONGER A SUSPECT’ in the disapearance, kidnapping, rape, heavy battery, and murder of Natalee Holloway.

      Karin Janssen is gone. The new Attorney General can do this on Monday without any legal wranglings involved. That document should not be legally binding and can be reversed based on new evidence and Karin Janssen’s conflict of interest. If Aruba, and the Dutch, have any desire to wrap this case up, this will be done on Monday morning.

      On Tuesday, the new Attorney General needs to file to reverse the judgement of Paulus’ black robed buddies declaring Paulus ‘No Longer a Suspect’ in the case siting 1) Conflict of Interest of the prior prosecutor in providing the letter; 2) Conflict of Interest with the judge that made the ruling; and 3) NEW INFORMATION HAS COME FORWARD THAT WAS NOT KNOWN OR HEARD IN THE PRIOR CASE THAT WAS BEFORE THE COURT (this being, Paulus’ timeline and taped phone conversations that appear to have been intentionally withheld by Paulus’ friend, Karin Janssen, who was operating under incredible CONFLICT OF INTEREST).

      In addition, to show you are serious, you need to ask for an EMERGENCY HEARING and ruling on the case so that it can promptly be adjudicated and Paulus can be rearrested immediately (sorry, can’t use the Curacao plane delay excuse again). None of this dragging out for months crap. The house of cards should be collapsed quickly rather than through game playing.

      So….are you serious Aruba/Dutch? Really serious??? This case will not be solved without these steps and bringing Paulus in for his crimes….and it is time you swallow the pill and take your medicine. Aruba’s reputation and tourism will recover quicker the faster you deal with this and show America and other tourists that they will be protected when they come to spend money on your island.


    133. minnesota dad on February 17th, 2007 12:28 pm

      131 – Richard,

      I don’t think it would be fruitful for the Holloways to file on Aruba.

      I think you may be viewing this as a Holloway vs Van Der Sloot battle. If this were the case, maybe a lawsuit should be filed in Aruba directly against the VDS. However, the civil suit would most likely be put on hold until the completion of the criminal investigation so that no evidence would be delivered.

      The main reason why a suit would be worthless is that this isn’t a case of the Holloway’s vs the VDS’s. It is a case about corruption. It is a case about favors delivered by judges and members of the justice department to protect their friend.

      In American legal circles…this is called ‘Home Cooking’. Protect your own. Whether it is Dutch protecting the Dutch in Aruba; or Judges protecting Attorneys in America (ever wonder why there are 20 pages of attorneys willing to file malpractice suits against doctors in your local yellow pages….but, you won’t find one attorney in your yellow pages advertising to sue fellow attorneys for malpractice? Protect each other….).

      A lawsuit against the VDS’s would only deflect away from what has really gone on. Aruba will have to come clean on this and it will damage the reputations of both their judicial and justice systems with the backdoor cronyism and deals cut to protect their friend, Paulus.

      If a suit is filed….it should be against the justice and judicial branches of Aruba….but, this is like suing city hall —– they will protect and cover each other before delivering justice to the Holloways. md

    134. Patti on February 17th, 2007 12:37 pm


      Exactly… that was one of the problems that the family had with the officials. Instead of being like the U.S. where the family of a victim are kept informed of the developments in a case, Aruba held everything they did in secrecy. They went beyond being tight-lipped. That was one of the reasons that Beth started writing everything down, religiously. She didn’t feel that the police and the investigators were making note of anything… especially, the inconsistancies in their stories.

      They couldn’t even agree on whether Joran went to school that day… or what time he went to school… or how he got there! If my son was being questioned about a missing girl that I had met the night before, I’d remember everything! I’d be on “parent alert” questioning everything he did, if not out of suspicion of him, then out of suspicion of his buddies. I’d want to know where my son is! I’d know if my son left a bag at the country club and whether I had to go back to retrieve it, but with Paulus, he didn’t recall anything because he didn’t want to get caught in a lie, in case there were witnesses. He talks about how sure he is of his son’s innocence, while at the same time, he is unwilling to provide any REAL information about anything, including the most simple of things.

      I have always thought that Natalee went back to the Holiday Inn.

      There were a lot of strange things that happened there, that night. The prowler, that resulted in the locking of certain entrances to the casino! That is unusual, isn’t it? Why would they lock entrances to the casino? They have plenty of security at a casino, don’t they? All those camera’s rolling…

      Why did Paulus call the casino, first thing the next morning?

      A witness said that they saw a girl being put into the back of a pick-up. A witness said that a screaming girl was being forced into a car.

      Why is it so hard for people to believe that Natalee returned to the hotel… maybe to the casino, for a night cap, of just to have a good time with the big-time gambler and his friends that worked there? That doesn’t seem like an odd thing for a girl to do.

      There are plenty of entrances to a hotel, but what if you’re walked to an entrance and it’s locked, on purpose, so when you get there, someone can nab you?

      Just the fact that someone reported a prowler outside the hotel/casino makes me suspicious when someone who was staying in that hotel ~ disappears from the face of the earth.

    135. Sue on February 17th, 2007 1:16 pm

      Surely this explains Dompigs statement that the boys are guilty as hell and he thought Pauls was involved also

    136. Maggie on February 17th, 2007 1:27 pm

      Nice to hear Paulus whining about closure, as if Natalee’s family will ever have closure in never seeing their daughter again. Who will buy a book written by him or Joran? He says Joran don’t sugar coat things in it. I would bet money were Natalee able to come back and write a book, she wouldn’t sugar coat things about Joran, Paulus or the K2 either. Ad Naseum he has told his side of the story and changed it everytime. Now he’s trying to make money off of another version. Kinda convenient, since Natalee isn’t here to tell her side even once? Wonder why? MrNobodyNoCase. It was the Kalpoes, the media, the Ale, the prosecution, the media, Natalee, her family. Maybe when Paulus is talking about the internet being a gutter, he’s referring to the 2 porn movies downloaded the night Natalee disappeared.

      Another thing I notice in his article, he describes in detail what was going on at the time Natalee disappeared. What happened to his frequent amnesia or should I say selective amnesia. He can’t tell us if Joran went to school on Monday, but a year and a half later, he can tell us Anita went everyday and didn’t miss a day. Take a polygraph Paulus and Joran. I hope everyone boycott’s the books. I would rather donate to Texas Equisearch then give a penny to either of them.

      Ironic Joran says he should’ve stayed home and this would’ve happened to someone else. Last I recall, it was him who said he had done this 20 times before and nothing happened, not Natalee.

      To listen to them talk, Natalee forced herself on them, and forced her way into the car and held all of them hostage just to be with them only to force them to leave her on the beach, because she wanted to be alone. Loonie Tunes.

    137. Janet on February 17th, 2007 1:33 pm

      134. Patti

      If Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005 and dropped Natalee safely off at the Holiday Inn … why would he not have revealed this info to a desperate mother and step-father the minute they arrived at his door step seeking answers to … their precious daughter was missing. Paulus has never indicated that he had ever met Natalee and …. when you consider all the inconsistencies (lies) related by Joran, Deepak and Satish. Patti, the principle is absolute … lies are created to hide the truth.
      I believe that Paulus Van der Sloot was in the area of the Marriot Beach on the morning of May 30, 2005 but it was not to pick up Natalee and Joran. I suspect this father had been summoned by his desperate son …. “something bad had happened”.
      I adhere to TJ Ward’s contention.
      Court TV – Catherine Crier
      September 26
      CC: TJ, your thoughts about the interview?
      TJ: Well, we still think that something happened to her, she passed out. Even according to Beth when she was on Dr. Phil the information from Joran that something happened, that she was in and out, in and out. We think something did happen to her and she apparently had a passed out had a heart attack, stopped breathing. We still believe that Paul Van der Sloot was called and he has a direct involvement with Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
      Some of this information we have, we are not going to expose right now. I can tell you that from the information we have, Paul Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

    138. wreck on February 17th, 2007 1:37 pm

      I don’t think Natalee went back to the HI because NO ONE saw her!! She doesn’t appear on ANY survelience camaras and NONE of the Mountain Brook students saw her even though they were all staying up all night because it was their last night there. No one on the staff of the HI saw her either. I realize the staff COULD be aiding in the cover-up — but I don’t think so. Natalee NEVER returned there.

    139. yoyo muffintop on February 17th, 2007 1:50 pm

      Linda in MD – Just sittin’ back watchin’ the spin and seeing how some are now trying to cram the HI into their “this is exactly how it happened” theory they had 2 months ago, which didn’t include the HI. This is all old news – 4am vs 11pm, McDonalds/ATM witnesses, phone tap. Both sides evidence presented, questions asked & answered, then rightly released as a suspect for murder/kidnapping. Think there’s fireworks now, wait till the book with Joran’s forward comes out.
      But still no closer to finding out what happened to Natalee than a year ago, I’m afraid.

    140. Patti on February 17th, 2007 1:53 pm


      I suspect that there was money in that bag. Pay-off money that the Kalpoes told the police about. I think that’s why the police were questioning Paulus about it in the first place.

      I think the bag was left, behind the counter, with money in it; and, later when it was retrieved from behind the counter, it was empty.

      According to the statements made by the Kalpoes in the back of the squad car, they had told the police about the scheme that was cooked-up around the pool, including the attempt to frame the security guards. It costs money to frame someone, unless you go around and do everything yourself.

      Paulus wouldn’t have done that… he was being watched, his phones were being tapped. But, someone did it and I’m sure it wasn’t free. Besides, remember, Joran saying that he didn’t care if he ended up in jail, they could put him in solitary confinement as far as he cared? He didn’t want his Daddy to suffer? No one else would have done it, But Joran dropped the bag off, with all that money… and Paulus picked it up, empty.

      Thing is… we don’t know what’s in those police reports. We don’t even know if the statements given to the investigators are still intact. But the Kalpoes know alot about the cover-up of this crime, and, I believe them.

      It’s obvious that something happened to shift them away from their allegiance to Paulus. Maybe the police did a search of Fisherman’s Huts after Joran told the police that Deepak buried Natalee there, which I believe was a lie… an attempt to frame him.

      Remember the white truck that was later identified as a government vehicle being spotted at the Fisherman’s Huts, with a body being covered over and marked with a child’s plastic swimming pool?

      Maybe that’s when they found out that Natalee didn’t die from a head injury from being hit by a car… she didn’t just wander off in a stupor… she didn’t drown… she didn’t die from a drug overdose… nope! She was tortured… then she died?

      Who else, besides those officials and the eyewitness who saw them, would have known that there was a body under that child’s pool? Could someone have come back to retrieve it after the officials left? Where did that body go?

    141. Patti on February 17th, 2007 2:06 pm

      Oh, heck no… Paulus didn’t drop Natalee off at the hotel. But I think that the Kalpoe’s did. I think that as she was getting out of the car, the car moved and struck her and she fell, just like they said, striking her head on the curb. I also think the reason that they went along with this cover-up business was because they thought that she had died from a head injury from falling on the curb.

      Thus, Satish’s inquiry about, “How’s the girl?”

      Maybe, once Joran helped her up, they went to the Casino… never to be seen again.

    142. Richard on February 17th, 2007 2:10 pm

      Patti, I don’t for a second believe the story that Paulus picked up BOTH Joran and Natalee at 4 a.m. Or any other time, to tell you the truth.

      My take on that (for what it’s worth) is that he came up with this tale in an attempt to deflect the focus of the investigation from Joran. “Hey, I KNOW Natalee was OK at 4 a.m. because I gave her a ride with my son Joran.”

      Yeah, sure. And we were also told that Joran and the Kalpoes gave Natalee a ride back to the Holiday Inn….

      It’s odd that this PvdS story (I don’t ever remember hearing it before this new court decision) wasn’t repeated day in, day out if there were anything to it.

      We don’t even know when it came out. Could be that once Joran and the Kalpoes came out with THEIR lie about bringing Natalee back, PvdS realized it wouldn’t fly.

      And what he told Beth initially was that he picked up JORAN, and Joran ONLY, at the McDonald’s at 4 a.m. Then he changed the time to 11 p.m. Aruba cops didn’t notice.

      And if he or anyone else had brought Natalee back to the hotel at 4 a.m., she surely would have been seen by some of her friends. After all, she had to leave in just a few hours. So I don’t buy this story, which we’ve never heard before this.

    143. Richard on February 17th, 2007 2:15 pm

      Anyone going to be in New York City this coming weekend?

      There’s a tourist event being held, at which “Carnival Aruban dancers” will be participating. According to this press release, that’s the only Aruban participation.

      But it’s also possible that the organizers are taking the Aruban connection out of the press release.

      These are the same people who are organizing the Boston event at the end of March. For that one, Aruba is a major sponsor, and a friend and I plan to show up and picket, protest or whatever is possible.

      But if anyone is interested in keeping an eye on what happens in NYC, here’s the info:

      NEW YORK–(BUSINESS WIRE)–The New York Times fourth annual Travel Show will be held Feb. 23 – 25 at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in New York City. Presented by American Express, the Travel Show is the largest travel trade and consumer show in the United States with more than 400 exhibitors. The Travel Show offers opportunities for special discounts from leading airlines, cruise lines, resorts and tourism boards around the world. For the latest show updates, please visit
      Avid adventure seekers, frequent travelers, occasional vacationers and armchair travelers, wanting to escape the winter blues and plan for future holidays, will find exclusive airline deals, advice on what to pack, where to shop and much more.

    144. Patti on February 17th, 2007 2:25 pm

      Do you really believe all that in and out of conscienceness nonsense? Do you really believe that Natalee would have driven around in the back seat of a car, falling to sleep on her last night on the island? I don’t believe that for a second.

      A witness saw her yelling out the window, “Aruba!!!!”

      But Joran says: She dosed off… She dosed off…

      What girl doses off while a boy is making out with her?

      Question: Do you think that the girl in the pig-tails looks like she was dosing off during her encounter with the psychopath?

      If you say she was drugged, or died from the effects of the alcohol, wouldn’t that be considered an accident?

      Why would you have to hide the body?

    145. downloadingdaddy on February 17th, 2007 2:35 pm

      After “something bad happened” to Natalee, Paulus steps up to help his son and she is never heard from again. After that night many changes go on in the VDS residence. (New furniture, missing cameras,New concrete around the pool) There have been many instances of killers who have used concrete around thier pool and hot tubs to bury thier victims and effects in. I believe that two seperate and distinct crimes occured that night, The first being that J2k drugged and raped Natalee, The second being that Paulus did something that has kept us all from knowing what happened to Natalee. (murder?, human trafficking? snuff film?)

      Paulus has said that he knows more than he is telling and will not reveal the truth becuase it would hurt too many people, Who would it hurt Paulus? The families of 20 missing tourists girls? Your devious friends? I do not believe for one minute that Paulus is just protecting Joran since he has no problem with him drinking and gambling underage and coming and going at all hours of the night No, I think Paulus is protecting the only person he knows how to protect, Himself! (Joran is an angry young man for a reason)

      Paulus holds the key to this case, Bring him in !
      Justice for Natalee!

    146. Janet on February 17th, 2007 3:41 pm

      138. Wreck
      Wreck, I agree. There is nothing evident that would imply that Natalee Holloway ever returned to the Holiday on the morning of May 30, 2005. Security cameras did not record her return; nobody witnessed her at the Holiday Inn and her card key was not used since the evening of May 29, 2005.
      FOX NEWS
      June 11/05
      Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway’s return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard’s statement to police.
      FOX NEWS
      June 10/05
      Noraina Pietersz said the security guard on duty from midnight on told authorities he never saw the teenager enter the hotel that night.
      June 18/05
      His story didn’t add up, though, according to Bearman.
      “We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived,” she said.
      April 13/06
      VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of someone using a key card in Natalee’s room, I think a couple times after midnight, do have you any information about that at all?
      KELLY: Yes, it’s a non-event. The key card that was being referenced was used at 11:00 o’clock the next morning, too. It was used the whole next day by, you know, other girls. It was not the key card that Natalee had.

    147. dennisintn on February 17th, 2007 3:53 pm

      #l39, spending money on jvds’ book would be like flushing it down the toilet. why would he now tell the truth about anything? it’ll be just more bash the victim, bash natalee’s family, and then blame everyone on the island but himself for what happened. read paulus’ interview and get a preview of what’s going to be said. the sporter feels so bad because he was ungentlemanly and lied once because beth scared him. horse apples.

    148. Observer on February 17th, 2007 4:18 pm

      The witness claims they were all seen in deepak’s car at 2.30 am by the raquetball club. He said he didnt get a view of the third person in back of the car because he was leaning over the other way.

      I beleave Natalee had to be in the car at that time. He wasnt just hiding his face but he was blocking the view of a passed out natalee in the back seat. This must of been right about the time something bad happened. The Kalpoes freaked out and dropped natalee and joran off and immediately cleaned out the car as deepak admits to at 3am.

      Beth had stated that there was a call placed to steve croes at 6am. We know this honorable citizen gave a false alibi for the boys and claims he doesnt know any of the perps. We know that these are both lies. Why would they call steve croes at 6am? Well I can only think of 2 reasons.

      1.They needed his help in disposing of natalee.
      2.Steve supplied the drugs

    149. JusticeforNatalee on February 17th, 2007 6:10 pm


      Thanks for posting the info about the NY travel show.
      Can you PM NYchic?

      I think you should also post the info on Boycott Blogspot and BFN.

      I MIGHT be in NYC next weekend. If so, I will consider attending.
      What are the rules for carrying signs? Do you have to have a permit?

      I don’t have time to apply, but I can always wear my
      J for N shirt. After all, they can’t tell me what to wear!

    150. JusticeforNatalee on February 17th, 2007 6:19 pm


      I don’t think that Paulus picked up
      Joran and Natalee at 4AM and safely
      dropped Natalee off at the HI.

      But I do think that Paulus might
      have picked up Joran and an
      “in distress/dead” Natalee sometime that night.

    151. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 17th, 2007 6:22 pm


      I remember looking at the Claussen report. I got the link from you (I can’t find it now), but I don’t remember anything being said about anyone paying them to go. I got the impression that maybe they were doing it freelance. But, they seemed to think that someone informed whomever that they were coming, and they were followed from day one, so maybe they were paid.

      It seems that “Murph”, Viet Vet, and Art Wood ran every scoundrel down that could be tagged and trapped between the three of them (legally), and when the trail ended in thin air, where could they go. It is interesting that they all came to the same conclusions about the Sloot Klan.

      The Claussen Detective got there several months later. There just wasn’t anything there. (Remember the Todd girl, Mason County, TX–1864) You have got to get on the trail while it’s hot, and stay on it regardless of the pain and cost, then sometimes-nothing. Or you might find yourself 2000 miles from home, with no money, no gun, no authority, but a slim-bag fugitive in hand.

      I would have loved for Beth to have arrived at the Sloot’s house with 2 or 3 scent dogs that would bite.

      I looked at all the pictures (there were not very many). I think the graves were robbed the day before the Claussen Detectives got there (lucky for them, cause they would have been blamed or maybe someone was afraid they would find something if it were not hidden or destroyed), They had pictures of the graveyard, crypts etc. Seems they were very interested in the death of the graveyard grounds keeper. I was and am too.

      They spent a lot of time at a Chinese restaurant ( I can’t find this) that they said was across a driveway from the Lion’s Den observing. At the same time they were being observed. They described approaching the entrance to the Lion’s Den and having an armed man approach them. They said they were followed, and their possessions gone through at the hotel, their phones tapped.

      As far as the address of the Lion’s Den being a dental clinic, it is not unusual for things to not be so black and white like they appear in the phone book. In the photographs by the Claussen Detectives, it certainly did not look like a dental clinic. I don’t know how many times I’ve looked for an address, and it turns out to be a lot more complicated than I could have imagine. 17 Noord may be 17A or 17B or 17, suite D, C, E etc. across the street, or up stairs, who knows (Linda could tell us). Usually, as you head in a North, even numbers are on your right side. As you head West, there is no rule, other that even on one side, odd on the other.

      Dental Clinic H Hagens”
      “Drs h hagens Noord 17″

      “Dental Clinic H Hagens”
      “Noord 17″

      “Flemming Paul A”
      “Noord Cura Cabai 17″

      Hagens Lya A M”
      “Noord 17″

      “The Flame”
      “Noord 19-a”

      “The Flame”
      “Noord 19-a”

      “The Flame Restaurant” (May now be the Lion’s Den)
      “Noord 17″

    152. Richard on February 17th, 2007 6:52 pm

      I don’t know how to PM NY Chic or anyone else here. Hopefully she’ll come by and read this. In any case, if what is said in that release is complete and accurate, there won’t be too much of an Aruban connection. But I don’t know any more about what will go on there than it says.

      I’ve sent the same info to the moderators of Aruba Boycott and BFN.

      It could be, of course, that they’re concealing the name in order not to wave the red flag to folks like us. I’ve already sent them some emails protesting.

      Anyway, my friend and I plan to be at the Boston event in March, and Aruba is a major sponsor there. It’s said that Nelson O. himself might drop by … we’ll see.

      Observer (#148), the witness who placed them there at that time is, I believe, the same one who said they were tailed by another car being driven erratically. My belief is that the people in that car were some of the other Pimps who were summoned when Deepak Kalpoe ran into that bar quickly and ran right back out again. This was just after they had Natalee in the car.

    153. Patti on February 17th, 2007 6:55 pm

      Maybe you’re right…

      Maybe all that talk about having a prowler and hearing a girl scream was just thrown in to make everybody think that she was abducted by a stranger… a boogeyman.

      But, what if she was?

      What if it was Paulus that was prowling around the Holiday Inn waiting for Natalee to return to her hotel? Isn’t that a possibility?

      Thus the words, “Your own Father, Unbelievable!”

    154. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:02 pm

      Jerry (151) … The friend of mine who is going with me to picket the Boston event went to Aruba on her own for private investigation. She went to the place known as the “Lion’s Den,” or at least that address, and said it was eerie … and that she was definitely under surveillance by some Mafioso types.

      For those who are partial to the idea of a “Lion’s Den,” it certainly is possible that people could first be taken to a nondescript-sounding place as a kind of holding area.

      Patti (144) … You’re right, in my opinion. Why would you have to conceal a body if death were the result of an accident? And even if it were done, consider that large parts of Aruba have indeed been searched … and consider the size of the reward that was offered for information.
      That certainly was a stimulus to people to find remains … if they could be found on Aruba.

      One thing that we all would like to know is … how much of Aruba has NOT BEEN SEARCHED? I don’t mean only the van der Sloot property; if PvdS is indeed as crafty and canny as some believe, then I’m sure he’d realize immediately the dangers of interring remains on his land, where they could be found.

      But there must still be areas of Aruba that have not been looked at. I wonder if the Holloway Twittys have a map of everything that has, and hasn’t, been looked at.

    155. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:11 pm

      Minnesota Dad (133) … Here’s a question for you.

      Let’s assume, for the moment, that all or most of the Aruban judiciary, law enforcement, etc. are engaged in, or at least privy to, a conspiracy to insulate Paulus van der Sloot from prosecution.

      What I don’t understand is … if this is so, why did they come out with this 4 a.m. comment in the first place? Why did they choose THIS particular item, something that (I believe) had never been made public before, as the rationale for reversing the finding of the lower court and denying him damages?

      As I understand things, a lower court initially awarded PvdS a sum (I think it was the equivalent of $25,000 or so) for being “unjustly” arrested and detained, etc. It was the Aruban government (i.e., Karin Janssen) who filed a protest, and it was that protest that was heard.

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but it wasn’t PvdS who filed for even more money than he was awarded. This latest ruling came about because Karin Janssen said the damages awarded to PvdS were totally out of proportion.

      Am I OK so far?

      Now, if so many in Aruba are in on this, why didn’t they simply let the lower court’s ruling stand, without comment?
      Why did they choose this 4 a.m. business to cavil at, and why did they reveal it? Why not do the simplest and easiest thing, if their MAIN concern was continuing to ensure that PvdS is to be kept off the hook?

      I’m certainly not saying that what you say is wrong. But my suspicion is that the situation on Aruba probably is more fragmented than we know, and that the power blocs in the Natalee Holloway case are in some part shaped by previous alliances in other matters.

      God only knows, because I certainly don’t. But I’m beginning to think that maybe there’s a shift of power emerging somehow. Maybe Aruba is realizing that we aren’t going to go away? And maybe the decision is being made in some back rooms that this has to end.

      I don’t know, and I don’t see any sign of it. But it could be.

    156. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:14 pm

      Patti (153) … If Paulus was in cahoots with someone to abduct Natalee (let alone that she was already in the car with his son and the Kalpoes, and had been since 1 a.m.), why would anyone bring her to a hotel, in a public area, and arrange for her to be grabbed there?

      The risks would be extreme.

      Moreover, if this were the arrangement, presumably they would have to be seen somewhere else by someone else for there to be proof that they hadn’t “dunnit.”

    157. Richard on February 17th, 2007 7:19 pm

      Jerry (151) … You know, for all the talk about the “lion’s den,” it doesn’t have to be a particular place-name (“Hey, folks, here’s the Lion’s Den!”), but could very well be a place where certain activities are performed or certain groups assemble. Or certain rituals are carried out.

      And, of course, even the talk about Natalee being taken to the Lion’s Den doesn’t necessarily mean she had to be taken there directly. She could have been held somewhere first.

      Not too many people waiting in a dental clinic at 3 a.m. or whatever…. Not to mention that there is a Surinamese restaurant right nearby. That, of course, is a nod to the Kalpoes and their ancestry. Suriname is also known to be a place where human trafficking takes place ….

    158. Patti on February 17th, 2007 7:27 pm


      I don’t know, Richard… I go back and forth on this stuff so often. I’m one of those people that don’t know what to believe.

      One minute, I think they found the remains. I think they have a pretty good idea about what happened to Natalee. They just don’t want to admit it.

      And the next, I think that Natalee could still be alive somewhere, held against her will, but, atleast alive.

      Just like sometimes I think that Joran did it and the next that Paulus did it. But, I have a real hard time thinking that Deepak or Satish did it…

      I constantly revert back to the scenario that they are scape goats… forced to participate in the cover-up of a crime that they had little, if anything to do with. Maybe that’s because Joran said that he should have killed them, right there… at the pool-side meeting, is my guess.

      Paulus and his alibi: No body, no crime…

      Joran and his alibi: No witnesses, no problem…

      “The fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree”

    159. Observer on February 17th, 2007 7:28 pm


      I live right outside of boston and would love to attend. As you know a huge number of tourist from these parts go to Aruba. I have talked to a few and they were told by people in aruba that she ran away and it was a insurance scam.

      You are right about deepak stopping at another bar after C&C as I heard his lawyer mention it in a interview. I also agree that the white car following them was more of the pimp’s.

      Dont forget about the mysterious phone call to another MB girl(Rosemary I beleave)that she had a massage off of the HI grounds. Sounds to me like they were targeting this group of girls.

    160. Observer on February 17th, 2007 7:40 pm



      I dont think they are ready to cave in and start prosecuting. I think somebody is totally disgusted that Paulus thought he should be awarded more money!! I think they are ready to close the books and move on.

      I think we both agree that they are protecting more people than just our main 4 suspects. I beleave it started out that way but there is other pimps involved. Not only that but paulus had some good friends that stepped in and obstructed justice. I still beleave that Rudy Croes stepped in when he found out what happened and who was involved.

      I cant imagine the sloots ever being prosecuted without ratting out all who helped.

    161. Patti on February 17th, 2007 7:48 pm

      Richard: #151:

      Well, I guess it depends on who you’re in cahoots with! LOL

      Or, maybe, he wasn’t in cahoots with anyone. Maybe it was a secret what he was doing hiding out, watching for Natalee.

      We have all these people that think that psychopaths have alot of people around when they perform their acts: People as observers, people on the internet, people exchanging pictures…

      when, in reality, it is usually ALWAYS done alone, in secret… as the things that are performed by a psychopath are unspeakable. Besides, they rarely let the truth of the dispicable things they do, be known… they are not very trusting, of anyone.

      Now that’s a fact!

    162. Patti on February 17th, 2007 8:09 pm

      Plus… they’re clever.

      They wouldn’t have a problem with convincing some young thugs, or pimps that they were the cause of Natalee’s demise. They wouldn’t have a problem with framing other people. But, most importantly, they wouldn’t have a problem with convincing their colleagues that this is nothing more than just a misunderstanding…

      Besides, if you’re the person that approves work permits for stippers and prostitutes that are brought in from surrounding countries, who could blame you for having a little fun of your own, while the wife’s away? Accidents happen.

      Those are the thoughts of a psychopath!

    163. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 17th, 2007 8:21 pm

      I’ve said this many times, but if Natalee’s body was not taken to sea, cremated, or put in a gold mine shaft, it went out of the country with this body. She may still be in the coffin with this guy, or she may have been taken out when it arrived in Curaçao. There are no relatives in Aruba as far as I can tell. He may have simply out lived them all, even grandchildren (after that, who would care). I’ll bet there was no one in Curaçao to claim the body. (That’s just where he came from years ago.)

    164. wreck on February 17th, 2007 8:23 pm

      All I know is that what I said after week 1 still rings true today — the boys are involved and know a hell of a lot more than what they have said. I just don’t know if they killed her themselves or passed her on to Paulus or some combination of the above. There is no doubt that VERY high ranking officials in Aruba participated in the cover-up. The officials deemed it better to cover-up the matter instead of it reflecting poorly on tourism. THEY “DEEMED” WRONG.
      Aruba’s problem is now they can’t reveal the truth without the “High Ranking Officials” also going down.

    165. Carpe Noctem on February 17th, 2007 8:27 pm

      A Gift For de Delicious Sporter

      eck eck eck eckkkkk – Popeye ;)




      (hey, how much do you got?) -D. Jacobs

    166. Patti on February 17th, 2007 8:43 pm

      And I agree with Observer… the Van der Sloots are not going to let anyone caught in their web of deceit be set free from the things that they’ve done.

      Yep… he fooled them all. And when the truth was known of the despicable things he did, they all ran as if in a trap, to cover it up!

      They took away any chance of closure for her family. They took away any chance for Justice in Aruba. But most importantly, they took away any chance that Natalee had of a decent burial.

      I wonder how many people are saying, “that lie was for you”

      while Paulus is saying, “Shut your trap”

      Oh yeah! Did I mention that the thing that the Psychopath treasures the most is control? Well, I think you figured that one out on your own.

    167. Richard on February 17th, 2007 8:43 pm

      Wow, lots of replies!

      Patti (#158) … you and me both! I’m not sure what to think … I’m still overthrown by this revelation about the 4 a.m. thing. But it’s hard not to see a cover-up … it’s impossible to think that the Arubans are as disorganized and incompetent as they seem to have been from day one.

      But no, Patti, you’re not a psychopath. Trust me; I am, and I know.

      Observer (#159) … is there a way to get in touch with you? The Boston event will be around the end of March. Aruba is a prime sponsor; so it seems to me that it needs protesters there more than the NYC one does, as Aruba’s role in that one seems to be minor.

      And in (#160) … I think I agree that they are not going to do a 180-degree turn. After all, Aruba doesn’t seem to be the kind of culture where subtleties are the norm. I may be off base, but the Caribbean norm seems to be outspoken rather than Asian indirectness.

      But my point was … even if someone was peeved that PvdS got so much money (we’re all peeved that he got anything, even out of jail) … IF the main priority is in keeping up with the cover-up that we believe exists, then WHY was the finding of the lower court reversed? And WHY was this 4 a.m. business used as justification … something that nobody ever had heard of before?

      I’m inclined to think that fear, distrust, and a “better keep my mouth shut” attitude has long been in place in Aruba. Why? For one, nobody wants to upset the tourist trade, in which they all have a stake (there’s nothing else there for the average person); for another, those who aren’t involved in the Mafia casino trade, the drug trade, and possibly the human trafficking trade (which the State Dep’t says exists on Aruba) are probably fearful of those who are, or whom they suspect are. And with good reason.

      One more thing before I shut up for the night: is there any evidence that Aruba police ever checked at the McDonald’s to see if Joran, his father, or any of the others were seen there at 11 p.m., 4 a.m., or any other time that night?

    168. Observer on February 17th, 2007 9:11 pm


      Beth has said all along that Paulus said 4am and then changed it to 11pm. I dont think he changed the time until he sat down and thought about it..Why it came out now..I have no idea..It amazes me that he was cleared as a suspect if they knew this all along..

      You can email me as I would definetly like to do anything I can to help get justice for natalee. You a member at BFN?

    169. Carpe Noctem on February 17th, 2007 9:11 pm

      They are going to have
      no choice but to come
      clean one day soon!

      Trying to do business in Aruba working
      around the raping, murdering, Van
      der Sloots and Kalpoes is like
      going swimming in a pool with infected,
      bloody sores all over your body. Ya know?

      They friggin’ stink, they look gosh awful, and
      everybody is afraid they’re gonna wind
      up catching it if they swim with you. -J4N

    170. Patti on February 17th, 2007 9:13 pm


      Thanks for your vote of confidence. Can you imagine what Beth was going through to have to live with this circus being conducted around her only daughter?

      No wonder she started her non-profit organization and tried to keep herself busy. It’s emotionally draining to try to make sense of it all and even more distressing having to wait for the day that the show is over… finally over.

      Any more news from the Dutch? Did you hear they have 220 pounds of evidence that has just been handed over to another set of investigators?

      How do we know?

      Maybe they have already found enough reason to believe that there was a cover-up and they’ve handed the case over to investigators to find out the truth about Natalee.

      I hope so.

    171. wreck on February 17th, 2007 9:43 pm

      Could you please elaborate on this “220 pounds of evidence”? This the first I’ve seen this referenced.

    172. Patti on February 17th, 2007 9:58 pm


      I read about it in the forum a few days ago… right before the decision came down from the Supreme Court of Aruba. I think Carpe mentioned it in one of his posts, too. Remember, in part one of this story, all the joking around that was going on about how much Anita ate? Well, someone started a joke about how she may have been included with the evidence because it weighed so much.

      Either look on Part I of this story, or if you look in the forum on the thread for Wednesday or Thursday, you’ll see it.

    173. Allan K on February 17th, 2007 10:41 pm

      Just passing this on one more time.

      Here’s an interesting post from pal Billy — I posted here some time back that there was an owner of a casino thats a truly bad man — The kind you would fear on his turf. Billy here, tells the story Dan posted here — with a few of the blanks. I think I gave the info here to a few people PM. If you want to Post that info about M. Posner…. fire at will.

      quit trying to divert blame from these kids. even if they are scared for the lives of their families they should tell what they know. Let their families pay the price for the friends they kept. Better those 2 evil families die than Beth not get Natalee back.

      I for one encourage the baddys to eliminate the kalpoes and the Sloots and Steve Croes. Would be no loss.


      they did take her to the holiday inn, they just gang raped her in another rooom and left her there with posner and his bodyguards

      ———————————————————— —————

      this was all payback for the chaperone’s interference. its a tight knit island. so lets see the baddys start killing the sloots and kalpoes. its about time. Lorenzo, go wild.


      this was completely premeditated

      why do you think it happened on sunday night?

      they planned to deliver her to Posner at the Holiday inn party. they (drug dealers at holiday inn) found out she was bama and they took out revenge on her;

      she was not kidnapped. if there was some chance that she was alive the three would have said it right away.

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      they covered everythin in the first story.

      if two guards took her into the hotel, they didn’t take her to her room. did they check every room for evidence of a party. what about rooms that were rented by high rollers? What about rooms that were used off the books.? what about the underground partys after bar hours? i

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 06:42 AM

      they were staying in the hotel where she was held for days. thier phones and messages were monitored

      she may stil be alive, but i doubt it.

      look at the staff of carlos and charlies and tell me how it has changes since natalee. do the same for holiday inn?

      i believe a high roller asked a concierge at the holiday inn to bring in an american girl. they used jurine to get her, but the three raped her first.


      she was taken for a reason, and provided for the service of someone at the HI. there is a local porn company that does a lot of custom videos for people.


      when beth called them criminals, she was not lying. there is evidence on their computers that they did this before, and didn’t get caught. picutures of other rapes at parties. the staff at Carlos and Charlies is deep into this.



      but he didn’t care then. he was at a party with a lot of the staff of Carlos and Charlies and the Holiday Inn. that guy got Natalee, and may have used Mr. Pink productions to make a movie of her.

      These kids may take embarressing photos of some women and then blackmail them into doing other things.


      if they were able to set her up earlier in the week they could have used that against her.(not strong idea)

      anyways, they think she is gonna be found like all the others at a crackhouse. she doesn’t come back though. and knowing that Posaner is a baddy who owns the casino at the Holiday Inn and the HI owner is a friend of his equally baddy, they know they have to take the story away fromm the holiday inn and that is why every story steers clear of there.


      posner is big enough to lie for.

      posner getst the police to take the body away to the landfill, or

      posner sends her off on one of his boats.

      or she is still held at the Holiday Inn in a secret room. would liketo see some of the high end suites and offices…do they have an elevator shaft directly to the basemnet sex party dungeon?

      Posted by: billyright

      -=-=-=-=-=-=—————————————-====== =======
      why do you think they are no longer staying at the Holiday Inn? because they spied on them there. they also used the editor of Aruba today to mislead the Holloways and divert attention. why else did she pick apart the woman who saw the car.

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      i think she was in the hotel around the time that Beth was there.

      ———————————————————— —————–

      julie renfro, aruba today, is that her name?

      i’ll admit she was very defensive on tv regarding the situation. early on, she seemed to cozy up to beth, but i haven’t seen her on air with her since.

      Posted by: bamaguy11 | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      berry this lie was plotted out too early in the game to not have come frm premeditation. get a brain.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      thats her…she’s working for the sloots to get jurine off, she hates america and that is why she left for aruba.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:04 AM

      she even told me natalee had a coke problem on the island and she said natalee was a racist and brought this on herself. hell, that dilma chick is telling everyone off the record that natalee was pregnant and thought her mom was hitler. they are subltey working against this case, Aruba today is against the Holloways. I think every woman on aruba is mad because of how Americans value one of their where as Aruban women are viewed as “conveniently disposable.”

      the united states needs to take that island and use it as a base for the drug war on terror.

      this is terror.

      ———————————————————— —————–

      and the motivation to lie about a possible murder is/??????

      they did it. your a sloot supporter.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:11 AM

      i hope so too. the first lie was their entire hand, everything else is a distraction from it.

      they took her to the holiday inn and that is where she met her demise.

      there is this guy named Lorenzo who figures in here somewhere..can he be seen on Holiday Inn’s cameras anywhere?

      ———————————————————- ———–===-=-=–

      i think that island is a threat to the interests of the united states and should be treated as such.

      Aruba today is the Oduber gov’s mouthpiece. nothing good will come ot it. tito is a fruit. editor and dilma are not to be trusted. they are beign paid off to discredit the family subtley behind the scenes.

      you’d neeed at leas 200 people watching the HI in every hallway, every elevator door, every elevator and searching every room to make sure there was no shifting her around going on.


      the editor of Aruba today is ant-american.

      she likes the fact that a “rich snobby bible bitch” got what she said, “may have been asking for”.

      not my words.

      ———————————————————— ——————=

      joetwo: Early on Dave Holloway was searching the landfill – do you not think he would have heard of a witness early on – Miller is searching high and low – do you not think they have been looking at the landfill early on? Smokescreen – stupidity – newspaper sales – tv fame – no body – who is scared? to come forward and why? – van der Straten stated in yesterday’s interview that early on there were 12 outside investigators (from the USA and Holland) involved from the almost 30 on the case. Who manipulated whom?

      Posted by: blacklable | July 30, 2005 08:56 AM


      shower and cartoons and get rid of some strange woman.

      who asked the questions.


      because he is the first criminal in the chain of events…and he has done this before, there is proof of this in deepaks possession. pictures that can put jurine right there. and jurine is the one who “carved” her out.

      which speaks to symantics…makes her sound like a piece of meat. I think this a common, if not weekly, occurence in Aruba, and it finally happened to the wrong girl. They sh*t their pants when they saw Beth less than 24hours later. That Stratten guy is a major spoiler in all of this. what a creep.


      there is the matter of the 3 girls of Aruban families that were reported missing to the police and no one, not one cop, followed up. And anytime a reporter from Aruba Today talks to a witness, their story changes. why?
      Is the editor of Aruba Today doing a bunch of witness tampering? for who?


      the fact of the matter is this is all just a big p r campaign…digging up a pond, the wrong one. the landfill. the half/day off to search for natalee…. this is boob bait for the bubbas…….nothing more. if they thought theyd find her there, they wouldn’t dig… my greatest hope is that jurine is put inot general population and then done in by a group of assholes who have it in for a judge’s son. then maybe someone could rent a jeep and drive over Moma kalpoe and the boys. deepak and satish should be buried alive in a crab pit. and moma sloot sloot and popa sloot should hang from different ends of the same rope…and in the end let this all be a lesson to Valentijn…i prefer that the families of everyone involved in the disinformation of the Holloways suffer the same fate of Natalee.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=——————————————— —-=-=-=-=-=-

      in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=————————————=========== =-=-=-

      the fact of the matter is that no american has any reason to ever go to Aruba and spend a dime again. i made up post cards and printed natalees face on it with, no more tourism till you account for her..

      and slogans like: “I’d like to make a reservation, for the week after Natalee is back in Alabama and her parents are satisfied and reimbursed.

      inferno…didn’t HI have a fire that interrupted the telecasts? hmm…something fishy. did shango start the fire at the hotel?
      was that fire a way to move Natalee out of the hotel under cover of a stretcher and ambulance?

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=———————————-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-
      i’ll find it and I’ll post the link…and i’ll call my sources to confirm family addresses.

      where does the trash go at the holiday inn?

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      From Ringo’s post from RWV:

      “in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.”

      Well, now, that’s something I could get my mind around with no problem at all. That actually makes sense.

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      wouldnt be too far fetched.

      b in tx
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      Ringo, Thanks for posting that Tid-Bit of information….I am frustrated even more at those posts…What the hell is going on? What kind of Island is that? It is almost as if it is an “Island Of Misfit Toys” , You know like in the movie Rudolph….I know this isn’t funny, I am sick of this, c’mon have they not punished this family enough…..They are continually punishing them, It will be rather interesting when Beth & Jug, Dave & Robin…finally do tell all……..What is going to happen to all the misfits then? Something that is really bothering me now is the statement that was made early on about the casinos, and how our FBI were not allowed in there to talk to anyone…..THIS ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE….

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      jaded wrote:
      What the hell is going on? What kind of Island is that?
      It will be rather interesting when Beth & Jug, Dave & Robin…finally do tell all……..What is going to happen to all the misfits then? Something that is really bothering me now is the statement that was made early on about the casinos, and how our FBI were not allowed in there to talk to anyone…..THIS ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE….



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    174. Patti on February 17th, 2007 10:46 pm


      I saw a post about it in the Forum. The information was originally leaked by someone from Holland. I don’t know whether we have verified it… that’s why I keep asking if there’s any news from the Dutch.


      Do you know whether it’s true that the evidence was turned over to new investigators? I don’t want to be responsible for starting, or perpetuating any rumors?

      220 pounds of evidence isn’t really that much, considering how much just a single box of papers like police reports or sworn statements might weigh… I would imagine they must have alot of boxes.


      SM:   Yes, the entire file was sent to the Dutch investigators months ago.   I think it weighed more like 400lbs though.   (klaasend)

    175. Janet on February 17th, 2007 11:14 pm

      167. Richard
      On June 5, 2005 Beth requested that security cameras at the McDonald parking lot be check by authorities.
      December 12, 2005
      Michelle: “One of Joran’s and PVDS’s alibis was that Joran was picked up at the McDonald’s. JVDS originally told you the first night you met him that he picked Joran up at 4:00 a.m., but he later gave a statement that he picked Joran up at 11:00 p.m. Do you know if there are security cameras in the McDonald’s parking lot to prove this claim?”
      Beth: “On June 5, we asked officials to check to see if there were security cameras, and to this day, nothing has ever been done. No one has looked into it.”

    176. Observer on February 18th, 2007 12:19 am

      Now that you bring up Posner.. I find it interesting that the PI that was on the island early in the case was from chicago. What was his name Rizzo? He was digging up dirt on beth and throwing a monkey wrench in Tj Ward’s efforts.

      I see that Deepak’s attorney is also from chicago.Interesting..

    177. Patti on February 18th, 2007 12:31 am

      Allen K!

      You know I love that post!

      Those are comments straight from Aruba.

      Good Job!

      Hey, Richard:

      Check out what was being said by Arubans, (post #173) just weeks after Natalee’s abduction. It’s all there… right there, at the Holiday Inn!

      Even the fact that there had been three recent disappearances involving Aruban women… that went:


      How long have I been looking for that?


      Allen K:

      Big hug for you!




    178. Patti on February 18th, 2007 1:00 am


      I remember when Beth talked about the trip to Mc Donalds. In fact, I think there’s an article written about it in the paper.

      That was part of the story that she had been told by Paulus when she went to his house in the middle of the night. She had police officers with her and two men that had escorted her from the airport.

      He did say that he picked up Joran (no mention of Natalee) from Mc Donalds at 4:00 in the morning.

    179. Carpe Noctem on February 18th, 2007 1:17 am

      1. The shoes may be Kalpoe bait.
      If Deepak had gone to pick up Joran-stein’s shoes,
      he would be in a bad position. Last one on the beach
      with Natalee. Joran was setting D & S up. imo

      Deepak says:

      2. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the “Wyndham” casino, that was about 18.00 hours.



      Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the “Wyndham” casino. That was about 18.00 hours. Later that night, when I called him around 23.00 hours he was in the “Radisson” casino.

      My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. ???

    180. nychic on February 18th, 2007 2:34 am

      Richard & JFN:

      I Have Always Said That If The Families of Natalee
      Ever Needed My Help In Any Way Whatsoever — The
      Administrators of SM Were Certainly Authorized To
      Give Out My Contact Info (Klaas Has Probably Seen Me
      Post This Numerous Times)

      I Am Not In NYC At This Time – I Am In Texas – But
      Please Keep Us Posted About Any Upcoming Events You
      Hear About So The Boycott of Aruba May Continue -

      Also – I Don’t Think The PM Option Is Even Available
      In The Forum Any Longer ?

    181. nychic on February 18th, 2007 2:46 am

      Jipshit Has Mono ?

      Wonder How He Picked That Up ?

    182. wreck on February 18th, 2007 3:05 am

      I know it is late! But, GOOD GOD — we all here have the FACTS and every quote and every iota of information about this case DOCUMENTED. It is now in the Aruban/Dutch judiciary. They can either do the RIGHT thing or FOREVER be doomed by their actions. I simply cannot FATHOM that justice is not far away!

    183. Thiscasewillbesolved on February 18th, 2007 4:18 am

      Paulus = Serial killer?
      Joran = serial killer in the making?

      Just one of many empathic thoughts

    184. Thiscasewillbesolved on February 18th, 2007 4:47 am

      Pauluis why do you whine that everyone else is at fault when you admit that you know what happened? That makes you the one person in this case that is keeping Natalee and her family from finding justice. In my opinion you are the one at fault from preventing the world to know what happened to Natalee. You are not protecting your son! If he committed a crime then you are keeping him from learning his proper lessons in life. Paulus? Are you protecting yourself? If you truly care about your son and you know that he is guilty, then turn him in, it is absolutely neccessary to protect your son and the innocent victims of his crimes. If you are protecting yourself, then shame on you for what you have put your family through!

    185. Richard on February 18th, 2007 7:43 am

      Observer, I’m going to write to the administrator of Blogs for Natalee and ask her to forward an email from you to me.
      I’m not a registered member there, but we’ve met and have been in contact, and I guess that’s the best way of setting up a direct line of communication. I don’t know if you use the same nom de plume, so to speak (“Observer”) there as here, but I’ll ask.

      Janet, it appears from what you posted that we don’t know, for a fact, whether there are or are not any security cameras at that McDonald’s. Can any of our Aruban friends help us on this? Does anyone know whether, two years ago (whether they are there now is irrelevant), such cameras were in place?

      My thinking is that they probably weren’t. After all, if Aruba is so wonderfully safe, as we are told, what is the need for security tapes at a place like McDonald’s? I mean, these aren’t standard fare in the U.S., are they? Maybe at big malls and the like, but I don’t think we have them in Vermont. Not yet, anyway.

      I didn’t then, and I don’t now, believe that PvdS picked up his son at McDonald’s at any time that night. Look at all the other stories we’ve gotten, including one where Joran said he walked home despite having lost his shoes on the beach.

      Patti (177) … I checked the post and its comments. Some are wilder and more speculative than others. I’ve long thought that human trafficking may have been involved in Natalee’s disappearance, and still think so. Evidence is lacking.

    186. Richard on February 18th, 2007 7:46 am

      Hell, maybe I can get the info on those security cameras from McDonald’s here. (Good luck plowing through the bureaucracy….)

      It is inconceivable that simple facts like this cannot be determined and clarified.

      Inconceivable, that is, unless it’s part of a whole fabric of distortion and vagueness that is being woven to some purpose.

    187. Carpe Noctem on February 18th, 2007 10:19 am
    188. Richard on February 18th, 2007 10:21 am

      Observer, the moderator of Blogs for Natalee has sent you my e-mail.

    189. Carpe Noctem on February 18th, 2007 10:25 am

      One more important one:

    190. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 18th, 2007 12:22 pm

      To Allan K,

      From Ringo’s post from RWV:
      “in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.”

      Allan K.,

      I’ve always thought there was a serial killer working the island. We all heard about the missing girl that was missing for a year and then they found her body when they were searching for Natalee.

      Nothing can be found on the Web about the girl. The only mention of it is by Dave Holloway when he was on Dana’s show.


    191. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 18th, 2007 12:26 pm

      If Joran is a serial killer–or if it is someone else we know, he or they will kill again. It’s just a matter of time. If Paulus knows that Joran is a serial killer, his actions make no sense.

    192. Waterboy (Jerry) on February 18th, 2007 12:27 pm

      The only one who would cover for a serial killer, is a serial killer. Nothing else makes any sense.

    193. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 2:31 pm

      How can we find out who the three girls who went *missing* names? It was said they reported their daughters missing and the police never came back. Did the police just not care to investigate or did they & connect the deaths to Paules and/or Jipshit?

    194. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 2:33 pm

      And WHO are the people in the obituary site who’s faces have been blacked out? The missing girls? How can we find out?

    195. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 2:37 pm

      When you see the various stages of decomposition of the bodies at the rock site it does give one pause and does beg the question of a serial killer at work.

    196. wreck on February 18th, 2007 2:39 pm

      …..hmmmm – just thinking again about the “220 pounds of evidence” turned over to the Dutch………How much does Joran weigh????? …..220 pounds?????….

    197. Janet on February 18th, 2007 3:11 pm

      192. Waterboy
      ….. even if the serial killer you are covering for is your son.
      My point … the maternal and paternal instinct is to teach children to conform to a life style that benefits their well being and … for their sake and the sake of others, they have to learn to accept personal responsibility for the consequence that result from their unwise choices.
      I can only conclude that Paulus Van der Sloot lacks a paternal instinct … lacks a conscience and … consequently so does his son. My fear is that other “Natalees” are going to pay the price.

    198. Maria on February 18th, 2007 3:22 pm

      I read here and in the forum every day but usually don’t post. Everyone’s theory here seems plausible. I hope we are one step closer to finding out the truth as to what happened and obtaining justice for all those responsible. I won’t be buying Joran’s book any time soon or visiting Aruba. For those in the forum that were asking about the cartoon here is a link to the website along with an article.

    199. Patti on February 18th, 2007 4:05 pm


      That’s always part of the scenario, when it comes to the abduction of those that are used in trafficking… the evidence is lacking. I think that comes with the territory.

      One point that I wanted to make:

      Suriname is one of the places, like Columbia, that people go missing or are allowed to leave with false work papers. It’s not a destination for those that are abducted… not usually, anyway. The ones that are allowed to leave are forced into prostitution and other forms of slavery… generally, to work off their debt for being libertated from poverty or civil un-rest in their own country.

      A good example are those that are trafficked from Russia. They are offered freedom. Their heads are filled with dreams of becoming American and fulfilling their lifelong dream of being more than just another person standing in line for hours for their ration of bread.

      In cases, like these, the person, or their families, pay money for their permits (that are illegally acquired). Then upon their arrival, are told that the money they paid didn’t cover all the costs. Thus, they have to work for a master, virtually, sold. It is, usually, presented to them as a temporary situation, but can be turned into years and years. Especially, since, in the case of prostitution, drugs are used. So, even when they “supposedly” win their freedom from their masters, they are still reliant upon them for their drugs (another form of their slavery).

      There are also cases of trafficking under the unbrella of marriage. A trafficked woman will be sold as a wife, having to stay with a man for a certain number of years. Come the time that the wife has fulfilled her duty, many are approached with a new scenario making it necessary for them to marry someone else… seldom do they ever “earn” their freedom from the ones that brought them.

      Men are trafficked, as well.

      If Paulus was involved with issuing these permits, then he was involved with trafficking and played a major role in the enslavement of human beings. And… as such, would have an enormous amount of power over them… whether they be from Suriname, Venezuella or Columbia. He’d have them in the palm of his hand.

    200. Carpe Noctem on February 18th, 2007 4:15 pm

      ALE RECORDINGS 6/2005

      Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah… I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.

      Joran: Who has said that?

      Satish: You said that.


      Joran: I have never said that friend.
      I have never said that you went back, friend.
      (to the beach)


      Interviewer: Was it difficult for you to look at the police officer, to face up to the situation that a girl was missing and probably dead and lie about it?

      Joran van der Sloot: It was – of course, it’s – it’s – it’s difficult. I mean, I – I lied to the police. And I – I think when I lied to them, I think they believed us. I mean, I believe the Aruban police believed us the first time we told them that we’d dropped the girl off. I really think they believed us.

      Interviewer: Why would they lie? (D & S)

      Joran van der Sloot: I don’t know. Well the thing that – the only explanation I can give for that is at that point, if they would have said that they picked me up, that all the – all – everything goes towards them. Because then that would mean that they dropped me off at my house and I went to sleep. And then they had a car, and they could easily done anything they wanted.

      Interviewer: Do you think there’s a chance that one of your friends went to that beach where she was and did something to hurt Natalee?

      Joran van der Sloot: I can’t answer that question. The thing that just keeps me – that does make me think they know something more about it is that they won’t tell they truth about Satish picking me up.


      Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
      (to the beach)


      With friends like the raping, murdering
      Joran Van der Ditch…

      Who needs an effin enemy?


    201. Patti on February 18th, 2007 4:22 pm


      Looks like the people of Aruba know alot about the Holiday Inn. The people in the windows watching her… the count-down until the eve before her scheduled departure…the shallow grave in the foreground.

      Maybe everything we needed was in plain sight… right there, at the Holiday Inn.



      Where do we find the Shango posts?


      SM:   Most are right here:  (klaasend)

    202. Observer on February 18th, 2007 4:53 pm


      I sent you a email.. Let me know the time and date and I will be there!!

    203. katablog on February 18th, 2007 5:46 pm

      I think Paulus did pick Joran up at McDonalds, maybe even twice.

      After D&S left Joran and Natalee at the beach and Joran couldn’t get D to come back and pick him up, maybe he called Daddy (because we all know that he did not walk home barefooted). The problem with that theory is that we have 2 hours to explain (2:00am called Deepak, Papa Sloot doesn’t pick Joran up until 4:00am). Does Papa really pick up baby sloot closer to 2:00am and then he and baby sloot spend two hours trying to cover up a dead girl? Does Papa go home and do some research and then return? Or does Joran call and Papa does the research before he picks up baby sloot?

      When people lie, they usually tell something close to the truth in some of their lie. For this reason, I believe that Natalee was a sloot’s house that night. I also believe the two encounters Paulus was suppose to have with Natalee (remember the Casino clip where we saw Paulus’s twin brother sitting next to Natalee. I also believe there was some kind of 4:00am pick up.

    204. katablog on February 18th, 2007 7:11 pm

      Just read the Paulus interview stuff – now that’s enough to make anyone sick!

      You did not lose a child. The sporter is well and alive hiding in Holland. Don’t you dare cry and whine how tough things were after you, the sporter and your wife all lied!

      Try as hard as you can; your life will NEVER be normal again. You and your son are psychopaths and the last time I checked, psychopaths don’t live normal lives. You will always be digging the sporter out of trouble. You will always have people looking at you and your son and knowing that you are guilty in the death of a girl just on her way in life. But that wasn’t enough for you and your family; you had to put her family through hell too. Now you are putting the people of Aruba through hell and it appears that at least a few of them aren’t happy about that. More will become unhappy over time and continue to point the finger back where it belongs – at you and your family.

      I hope your other two sons are kept out of this. Now there are finally some innocent people. They didn’t ask to have you as a father or the sporter as a brother.

      Give it all up Paulus and let the innocent people stop suffering for what you and baby sloot did to Natalee.

      The truth will set you free (even though you and sporter will be behind bars).

    205. dennisintn on February 18th, 2007 7:18 pm

      i wouldn’t hold my breath on tha one, kata. they’re way too busy helping spread the lies about natalee running away, living on another island, and it’s all an insurance fraud. sounds like they did so well with that one and the devrier boy a couple years before they’ve brought it back again.

    206. Miss-Underestimated on February 18th, 2007 9:16 pm

      Uncle Pawless interview, what a peice of work this guy is, more fuel for the fire Pawley, to show the entire ignorance of him and his peculiar family. It’s always about him and the juvinelle delinquent.

      Pawley, you have been found out the clok is ticking.

      Alan K

      Do you think Jossy has any information about the serial killer before the harmed Natalee?

      I am wondering if Deepickle and Satsissy started the lawsuit to get cover in the US and to roll on Pawley.

      This is the question I have…..Pawley why did Anita leave you home alone?

    207. Miss-Underestimated on February 18th, 2007 9:23 pm

      Hey Pawley why was Joran biting his tongue bloody and chewed up? What was he trying to stop himself from spilling. You guys shared drink and gambling, I wonder what else?

    208. Allan K on February 18th, 2007 10:32 pm


      Do you think Jossy has any information about the serial killer before the harmed Natalee? Gosh, I don’t know but sure he would remember it. Tell me this tho, has it been proven that Paulus was searching alcohol and overdose on his PC like has anybody seen the paperwork printout from a server with the links. I do not believe that for a moment.Do believe that was another smokescreen by ALE and or Posner to lead everybody to believe that she overdosed. I personally belive she was still alive at first when Beth was there. That is what really really causes a disturbance for me. Can you picture Paulus reading about overdose trying to help Natalee? No because he couldn’t let her be found anyway. Hell no, you have already seen his character. He was at the casino trying to satisfy his lust with teenagers.
      He is a trying to be womanizer, but in actuality you see he is an pervert. WHERE IS MR. PINK? WHY DID HE LEAVE?

    209. Richard on February 18th, 2007 10:48 pm

      Observer, got your email and sent a reply. Looking good.

      Patti, what strikes me to be of most significance is that Suriname is one place where the trafficking network exists. If the boats go one way, they can go the other way as well … and if you have people so unscrupulous as to do this sort of thing, they will probably have their eyes open for opportunity. Remember the article I posted some time ago on one of the threads … a source in LATIN AMERICA said that trafficking of women is a business that rakes in billions of dollars. And it’s intimately tied to narcotics traffickers … such as Lorenzo van Rijn is reputed to be.

      Suggests a transnational network, doesn’t it? And it points to international collusion.

      Katablog, it’s hard to trace the comings and goings … but I do not believe that PvdS picked up Joran AND NATALEE and brought them to the HOLIDAY INN. This is the story that the court used in denying him the “penalty money” … and we had never heard it before.

    210. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 10:59 pm

      Hey Allan K!

      You make a very good point in regards to Pawl looking up drug & alcohol interactions as nothing more than wanting to SET IT UP AS A POSSIBLE OD NOT looking for a way to help Natalee.

    211. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 11:46 pm

      Hey Guys,

      Ever since we learned that Pawl fought the government tooth & nail in Holland when they wanted Pawl’s house & property for new roadways & whatnot, i wondered why he fought so long. Well i can think of one reason he didn’t want his house & land bulldozed, could it be possible that Pawl had some young girls remains hidden on that property?

    212. mayan_moons on February 18th, 2007 11:59 pm

      Remember Dompig & a couple of others early in the case described that little dirt road near the pond & Club as a “lovers lane” (GAG) From what we’ve seen in video 24 it looks more like gangbang lane.

    213. mayan_moons on February 19th, 2007 1:38 am

      Ya know its bad enough when a spouse cheats and you’ve just found out but finding out that not only has he cheated BUT YOUR OWN SON was with em and helping him

    214. mayan_moons on February 19th, 2007 1:39 am

      Thats a real kick in the teeth.

    215. downloadingdaddy on February 19th, 2007 3:55 am

      Joran might have been biting on his tongue to keep from ratting out his father. (Could anyone imagine how difficult of a situation that would be for a 17 year old?)

    216. downloadingdaddy on February 19th, 2007 4:01 am

      #211 (Mayan-Moons)


    217. Carpe Noctem on February 19th, 2007 5:22 am

      From what Deepak says “Your Own Father!” It had a ring
      of seedy disgust to it. I mean even more disgust than normal
      when talking about Joran’s sexually deviant, vat
      of pig slop of a father. Like father and son were
      having fun together!!!

      GAKKKKK el-dryo-heav-o

      Again, Paulus… I hope you read this. You are flea sh%$#!
      You are but a mere lintball plucked from the dryer vent. You are like a bad case of jock itch, only not as much FUN!

      I hope Anita flattens your effin
      head with a skillet while you sleep,
      ya big ferret.



      Deepak: We suffered a lot because of you.

      Joran: That’s the price that you let my father pay.

      That line right there is worth thoroughly looking into!

      Somewhere along the line those Kalpoe’s got paid
      for lying for “LURCH Van der sloot” – The Aruban-Dutch Rapist/Serial Killer.

      I have money on the fact they weren’t
      just lying for him because he was a nice guy, because
      according to most people we’ve talked to, he’s a
      lying, backstabbing POS.

      Can you say anti-christ?

      I thought you could! -Fred Rogers


    218. Carpe Noctem on February 19th, 2007 5:26 am


    219. Sheri in Michigan on February 19th, 2007 5:39 am

      Since Aruba tourism is WAY DOWN…..and it is all to blame on the Van der sloot family……I wonder how they show their faces on that tiny island, what with the people there out of jobs due to lack of tourism. It would seem some of the people there would be getting pretty upset with the Mutt & Jeff of Aruba by now and will try to pull the guilt right out of their AS*SES!! Boy it still makes me sooooo mad thinking about their freedom (except for freedom of mind)and for what they have done with Natalee and the Holloway and Twitty families!!
      Thank you. Had to vent!

      ~~~BOYCOTT ARUBA~~~

    220. Carpe Noctem on February 19th, 2007 6:06 am
    221. Miss-Underestimated on February 19th, 2007 8:30 am

      Allan K

      Remember Deepak saying if they find the girl, they will find all the s**t on her, what do you suppose he was talking about?

    222. dennisintn on February 19th, 2007 9:55 am

      #209, richard, i agree with you. there are no gaps in natalee’s timeline. all her time is accounted for. i would believe that paulus picked jvds up at 4:00, that was paulus’ statement to begin with.

    223. vicki on February 19th, 2007 11:09 am

      what the heck is going on…if they [ale]knew that papasweat was with Natalee[gag,vomit]why isnt he locked up? what is the problem????Hey, YOYO whats up with your pals daddy??? the perverted pig. All of them. I pray daily for answers, but to think that this filthy lying pig even looked at Natalee makes me soooooo sick. It was him on the video at the casino. All we need now is Anitas camera…. I wonder if someone has it and is using it to make sure Urine doesnt talk…..

    224. Miss-Underestimated on February 19th, 2007 11:15 am

      Another day of empty beaches in Aruba.

      Hmmmmm. Why is that?

    225. Richard on February 19th, 2007 11:16 am

      Hey Aruba, read this article! SOME countries care about missing tourists … and even do something about them … like call in Interpol. How come we don’t hear anything about Interpol?

      “Interpol must help extradite Hizb chief”
      New Delhi: The Jammu and Kashmir police have sought the help of the Interpol in getting Hizb-ul Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin extradited from Pakistan in connection with the disappearance of a Scottish tourist in the Kashmir Valley 26 years ago, highly placed sources in the State Government said.
      The request follows a plea by the Interpol to the police to question Salahuddin.
      Allison McDowell went missing in 1981, when she and another tourist from Scotland went trekking in the Sonamarg hills in north Jammu and Kashmir.
      After initial investigations by the police, the matter was closed after sometime as she could not be traced, the sources said.
      The case was reopened recently when police received a communication from Interpol in London, seeking their assistance in interrogating Salahuddin, who was described by the world police body as an Indian citizen.
      The move by the Interpol’s London unit was based on a telephonic interview given by Salahuddin in 2000, in which he claimed responsibilities for several terrorist acts, the sources said. – PTI

    226. Richard on February 19th, 2007 11:18 am

      Here’s another article that got me thinking … why can’t some of our own artists do this sort of thing for Natalee?

      Maybe we could/should try to persuade some? Who could/should we approach? Nearly two years ….

      U.S. folk singer pleads for abducted Japanese girl
      By Elaine Lies Mon Feb 19, 4:14 AM ET
      TOKYO (Reuters) – Moved by the story of Megumi Yokota, a Japanese schoolgirl kidnapped by North Korean secret agents three decades ago, folk singer Noel Paul Stookey has penned a song he hopes will help bring her home.

      The saga of Japanese kidnapped by Pyongyang’s agents in the 1970s and 1980s to help train spies is a highly emotive topic in Japan but has been little known overseas until recently.
      In six-party talks on halting North Korea’s nuclear program that ended last week, Japan said it would not provide aid to Pyongyang in return for nuclear disarmament unless there was progress on the issue of the abductees.
      North Korea says Megumi, kidnapped on her way home from school in 1977 at the age of 13, hanged herself in 1994.
      But her parents believe she is alive and Tokyo wants better proof of her fate.
      “When I read what had been done to this young girl and the emotional result to her family, I decided to do what folk music has always done — put a face on the pain,” Stookey, a member of folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, said at a news conference in Tokyo ahead of Wednesday’s release of “Song for Megumi.”
      “I am also holding out hope that somewhere in an automobile in North Korea, (its leader) Kim Jong-il is listening to the radio and thinks of his own family,” said Stookey, 69.
      The plaintive song, performed by Stookey at the news conference, asks where Megumi is and has the chorus:
      “Return, Megumi, to me/Across the waves of the sea.”
      On Wednesday, Stookey and Megumi’s parents will meet Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who rose to power partly due to his tough stance on North Korea, especially over the abductees.
      North Korea admitted in 2002 that its agents had abducted 13 Japanese, sparking outrage in Japan.
      Five were repatriated in 2002, with their families joining them later, but Pyongyang says the other eight are dead.
      Awareness of the abductees overseas has grown after last year’s release of a documentary film about Megumi and her parents.
      As Stookey sang, Megumi’s mother Sakie, 71, wiped her eyes.
      “We believe and hope that if many people around the world hear and sing this song, it will help solve the abduction issue,” said her father, Shigeru, 74.
      Proceeds from the song, as well as several concerts Stookey plans in Japan this May, will go to Megumi’s parents for their activities on behalf of Megumi and other Japanese abductees.
      Stookey, whose eldest daughter is the same age as Megumi, said his feelings as a father brought him closer to the Yokotas.
      “It is very difficult to imagine such a horrible thing happening to someone so close to you,” he said.

    227. Richard on February 19th, 2007 11:24 am

      NY Chic (#180) … I just saw your message way up above.

      I’ve posted here, and sent to many other pro-Natalee blogs, a press release about a New York Times travel show to be held this coming weekend. However, judging from the press release, Aruba’s role in it is very minor, involving only some “Carnival dancers.”

      (I don’t know whether the NYT has downplayed Aruba’s role owing to letters, emails, and phone calls protesting Aruba’s being there at all.)

      Anyway, the one in March in Boston features Aruba as one of the main sponsors. So I think that one, five weeks away, is a key one to target. I’m starting to get a few emails from people here and elsewhere who are interested in showing up.

      Again, anybody who might like to appear (I’ve heard that Nelson Oduber himself will be there, but don’t know if it’s a fact) please get in touch with me. I’m sure this forum will forward on any messages, etc.

    228. mayan_moons on February 19th, 2007 3:40 pm

      CEO of JetBlue is HUMILIATED & MORTIFIES over continued delays and problems!


    229. mayan_moons on February 19th, 2007 3:41 pm


    230. mayan_moons on February 19th, 2007 3:44 pm

      We told ya JetBlue. Anything and Anyone connected to or doing business with Aruba are DOOMED TO FAIL.

      COUNT ON IT!~

    231. JusticeforNatalee on February 19th, 2007 3:58 pm

      Here is my response to Paulus’s interview.
      Dutch readers,
      I need a direct link to the editors or the snail mail address. THANKS!

      Dear Editor in Chief:

      The “Holloway Nightmare” interview should have been titled just that.
      The HOLLOWAY nightmare. Forget the Van der Sloots.

      Why was Paulus permitted to cry like a coward and blame everyone else?
      He is not a victim; Joran is not a victim.

      NATALEE is the victim and was most likely killed on Aruba.
      Beth and Dave, her parents, are victims.
      Give them a chance to speak. It would be more compelling than the whining you got from Paulus VDS.

      I’m sure that you pride yourself on accurate journalism.
      The interview of Paulus van der Sloot is very weak and amounts to a
      public relations piece for Paulus. It is not solid journalism.

      Next time, require your writer to research the facts.

      Joran and Paulus have been caught in numerous lies and inconsistencies.

      By the way, a judge recently concluded there was sufficient reason to detain Paulus,
      and the courts awarded him nothing. Zilch.

      Joran is the last person seen with Natalee Holloway. And no matter how many leads
      Aruban Law Enforcement follows, they still come back to Joran and the Kalpoe brothers as the primary suspects.

      Newsflash! Joran is NOT famous. He is INFAMOUS. There is a big difference.

      And that story about leaving Natalee at the beach? Forget it. Joran fabricated four versions of that event. ALE thinks he took Natalee to his home.

      Are you aware of Peter R. De Vries’s revelations about the case?
      He found out that Joran’s attorney, Antonio Carlos, told prosecutor Karin Janssen, off the record, that Joran “played a major role in Natalee’s disappearance.”

      Also, De Vries revealed that Joran paid someone to photoshop a picture of he and Natalee together. How creepy is that?!

      Maybe you should contact DeVries or visit the Web site,
      where police statements of the suspects are posted.

      Please print Beth and Dave’s side of the story. Your readers deserve the truth.

    232. Richard on February 19th, 2007 5:03 pm

      Good one, Justice … it is, and always has been, the Holloway (Twitty) nightmare. From day one they have been fighting a foreign government (or two). That in itself is the rebuttal to the asinine “Oh, why does this white blond missing girl get so much attention?” nonsense we’ve heard.

      I’m not being critical, but I wish you’d pointed out that van der Scum sent the e-mail to Greta van Susteren: “Someday I’ll tell the real story, but not now.”

      (Quote may not be exact.)

      I guess they don’t feel any sense of urgency in Holland.

    233. dennisintn on February 19th, 2007 6:15 pm

      #232, your have that message from jvds, and the half sneering message from paulus himself that he would tell more but it was hurt other people. seems to me their silence, except for their self pitying whining, is hurting not only natalee’s family, but also everyone on the island. who else could he have had in mind not wanting to hurt?

    234. JusticeforNatalee on February 19th, 2007 7:12 pm

      #231 correction
      should be Antonio CARLO

    235. JusticeforNatalee on February 19th, 2007 7:18 pm


      I can add it to the end. I haven’t sent it yet.

      Does anyone have the exact quote?

    236. Allan K on February 19th, 2007 8:02 pm

      Miss Underestimated

      Remember Deepak saying if they find the girl, they will find all the s**t on her, what do you suppose he was talking about?

      Deepak speaks broken english I believe and they all lie so much it is hard to pick out truth from untruth. Torture,Rope burns, bruises, etc., whatever sexual deviants do. I don’t think that matters.

      One thing I have learned, if you are kidnapped and sold you are gone forever. Who could find you? The FBI I don’t think so.

      I turned Amy over to Richard B. at Hyscience to give to the FBI. The FBI reminds me of ALE except they are silent.

    237. Tazman on February 20th, 2007 12:02 am

      joran, deepak, satish, paulos, anita, dompig, van stratten, oduber, et al, are all the type of people that are “going no where fast” in life. That goes for the rest of jorans gang too. “Loosers” making a game of picking up on tourists, drugging them, raping them and leaving them for dead. Not the “cream of the crop” type of people. I haven’t heard any comments from the “fine citizens of Aruba” defending them. They are all an embarrassment to Aruba and its “troubled” tourist industry. The Aruban government needs to arrest them all and sentence them. Only then will tourists believe that the government of Aruba will follow through with prosecuting the real criminals of Aruba. They need to take a poll. Have the people of Aruba vote on what happens to them.

      1. Arrest and sentence them. A min. of 15 years in jail. Make sure they get a same sex cellmate that takes care of their sexual needs.
      2. Remove their “gonads”.

    238. JusticeforNatalee on February 20th, 2007 12:17 am

      Lezersredacteur Brabants Dagblad
      Postbus 235, 5201 HB ‘s-Hertogenbosch

      Mailing address to respond to Paulus’s whinefest

      P.S. Is anyone else having trouble posting/getting chronic errors?

    239. mayan_moons on February 20th, 2007 12:38 am

      Works for me Taz!

    240. mayan_moons on February 20th, 2007 12:41 am

      I’ve lost alot of posts Justice even after refreshing the page & putting 2 and 2 together.


      SM:   I don’t know what’s happening.   I did a couple test posts and it worked fine for me.   I’ll test again in a bit.   Sorry some people are having problems..we’ll keep looking into it. (klaasend)

    241. Molly on February 20th, 2007 1:04 am

      JetBlue is going down, just like Aruba. Their arrogance is reaping them nothing but trouble.

      There is a brown cloud over Aruba. The more you stir the poop, the more it stinks. It’s stinking to high heaven.

      Justice for Natalee

      molly (in Houston)

    242. mayan_moons on February 20th, 2007 1:26 am

      Thanks klass! Much Appreciated~

    243. mayan_moons on February 20th, 2007 1:47 am

      Yeah i might’ve been rough on JetBlue up there but i don’t like it when people do business with an island of people who treated a fellow American the way Aruba did. People who think…..well that happened to Natalee not anyone in my family so how does this affect me and why shouldn’t i still do business with them.

    244. mayan_moons on February 20th, 2007 1:56 am

      I have no patience with people like that, selfish people who….god forbid one of their children was taken they’d be begging for help from everyone. And ya know what….it would be us all the people who care about Natalee would care about their lost child too.

    245. Richard on February 20th, 2007 5:02 am

      Interesting to think that JetBlue’s reputation has been sullied and will not recover for some time, if ever.

      Just like Aruba, in a way, though nowhere near as bad.

    246. Richard on February 20th, 2007 7:50 am

      Interesting … at the request of Interpol, India is reopening the investigation into the case of a Scottish tourist missing since 1981. And her parents believe (or say they do) there is good reason to think that she may still be alive. This is from a paper called the Herald, which I think is in Glasgow, but I can’t post both the link and the text. If you search for Alison Macdonald, probably you will find the story.

      February 20 2007

      Detectives in India have reopened an investigation into the disappearance of a Scottish tourist who went missing more than 25 years ago.

      Alison Macdonald was 19 when she vanished on August 17, 1981 during a backpacking trip to the Kashmir region.

      The case was closed after an initial investigation, but her parents, Kenny and Reta, believe that she may have been kidnapped and have fought for years to discover the truth.

      advertisementNow it has emerged that police in Kashmir have reopened the inquiry after Interpol asked them to look at the case once again.

      The development concerns a recording of an interview with Syed Salahuddin, the leader of the Hizb-ul-Muhajideen militant group which is fighting for Kashmiri independence.

      Mr Macdonald, a retired Free Church of Scotland minister, claimed that during the recording, which is thought to have been made in 2001, some of Mr Salahuddin’s words were spoken with a Scottish accent.

      He said that it could indicate that Mr Salahuddin had been educated by a Scottish person, providing a possible link to Miss Macdonald’s disappearance. The recording of Mr Salahuddin has previously been studied by phonetics experts including Professor Michael MacMahon, of Glasgow University, who found no conclusive evidence.

      But Mr Macdonald has continued to press police on the issue and detectives in Srinagar, the Kashmiri capital, reopened the inquiry after a request from Interpol.

      Somebody who wasn’t able to speak at the time may remember something now or be freed of certain constraints and able to speak now.
      Kenny Macdonald

      Yesterday Mr Macdonald, 72, who has been to the region 16 times to carry out his own investigations, welcomed the news.

      “It is good news,” he said. “Somebody who wasn’t able to speak at the time may remember something now or be freed of certain constraints and able to speak now. Salahuddin spoke in such a way that made us think he was educated by Scottish people. He was also very much of the scene at that time.

      “We have tried to eliminate all possibilities of what could have happened to her. We have no real clues so we try to follow all leads. It is part of the ongoing investigation over the past 25 years.”

      Miss Macdonald, a history student at Aberdeen University, left her family home on Skye to travel to India with her friend Liz Merry. They were visiting the village of Sonamarg when Miss Merry set off on a two-day trip to see the Kolahoi glacier, while Miss Macdonald chose to stay behind.

      On August 17, 1981, she went for a walk and bought some apples from a nearby trader. She was never seen again although her clothes and rucksack had been left in the guesthouse.

      Six days later, her parents received the news, through a telegram sent from Miss Merry to her own parents, that Miss Macdonald was “lost in hills”.

      The Macdonald family, including Alison’s brothers Sam, 43, and Derek, 38, have made several trips to the region in a bid to find information.

      Yesterday, Kuldeep Khoda, additional director general of Jammu and Kashmir Police, confirmed that the case had been reopened.

      He said: “Alison’s father had been persisting with his own inquiry and he produced this CD of an interview with Salahuddin. He said his pronunciation and dialect were typical of the area where he lives and that he used certain words that the girl used to use.

      “They have asked us to look into this and we have now asked our field agencies to reopen the case. The problem is that Salahuddin is in Pakistan. Salahuddin has never spoken about the case, but the father says he could only have got these words from his daughter and that he may have kidnapped and held the girl.”

      Mr Macdonald, who now lives in Invergordon, said he believed his daughter may have been kidnapped and later sold as a teacher.

      He said the family would never give up hope. “When something is lost you keep looking for it,” he said.

      “You never give up.

      “We are very much convinced that Alison is alive somewhere.”

    247. yoyo muffintop on February 20th, 2007 10:40 am

      If Jetblue does not recover and goes out of business, 50,000+ Americans will be out of jobs. Not something I would jump up and down with glee about, but apparently “cool” for others.

    248. vicki on February 20th, 2007 12:44 pm

      yoyo, anyone that is messing with LIERUBA deserves to go down. They could have flown anywhere but chose to pick SATANS ISLAND. Stop being so logical…DO THE RIGHT THING>>LIERUBA

    249. Richard on February 20th, 2007 12:57 pm

      Nobody likes to see more people unemployed, but the idea is that an inefficient company can go under … and should. That’s the philosophy of the free-market economy.

      Maybe JetBlue ought to cancel its Aruba run. Might help it improve its luck.

    250. vicki on February 20th, 2007 1:21 pm

      Thank you Richard, you said it way better than me. Thats what I meant.

    251. Molly on February 20th, 2007 2:38 pm

      That’s what I’m sayin’, Richard. No blessing for JetBlue when they insist on flying to Aruba. People need to stand up for what’s right.

      Boycott Aruba and JetBlue.

      molly (in Houston)

    252. JusticeforNatalee on February 20th, 2007 3:39 pm

      Jetblue chose greed over principle.

      Now its shoestring is about to snap.

    253. Maggie on February 20th, 2007 4:52 pm

      David Letterman spent the whole first half hour making fun of Jet Blue right after they left those people sitting on the runway for 10 hours.. He even made them the Top 10 reason Jet Blue didn’t fly that day. Number 1 was the pilots were drunk. Was all in joking.

      Compare Paulus’s newspaper story tooting their horn and blaming everyone else for their problems to his June 25th police statement of constant , I don’t remembers.. A person who was studying to be a judge and is a practicing lawyers. There were a few more could be’s in his statement. He then goes in to detail about everything about that night at his home when Beth arrived and what Joran said without saying he don’t remember once. Amazing..

      To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
      May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
      whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
      go to school that day.

      But I do not remember exactly which
      days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
      Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
      the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
      could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.

      To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
      state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
      the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May
      that she departed for the Netherlands.

      To your question whether I picked up Joran during the period
      between May 30th 2005 and June 9th 2005, I can state the following.
      It is possible but I cannot remember whether I did. I did pick up Joran
      from school from time to time but whether it was in that time-period
      I cannot remember.

      To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that
      Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work.
      The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately
      08.00 hours.

      After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember
      what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According
      to me both Rita and Joran where at home. Whether Valentijn and Sebastian
      where also there that Monday I cannot remember anymore because
      Valentijn and Sebastian quite often went over to a friends house during
      that time-period

      Whether I went with Joran to eat at a fast food restaurant that
      afternoon I cannot remember.

      To your question if I can remember what Joran had with him
      when I dropped him off at the “Raquet Club”, I can state the
      following. Every time that he goes to play tennis he has a sports
      bag with tennis equipment with him. I cannot visually play back in
      my own mind whether I actually saw him carrying the bag.

      To your question on which days Joran followed tennis lessons,
      I can state the following. According to me he certainly has them on
      Monday. And there is one more day that he has lessons but I cannot
      remember what exact day that is.

      Joran occasionally has complaints like that. He sometimes
      also complains about back-aches. Whether he complained that Monday,
      I cannot remember.

      I can remember that between
      the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested
      Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember
      however if he specifically complained about that on Monday.

      To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Raquet Club”
      to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following.
      I cannot remember.

      I myself turned in for the night at approximately 23.00 hours.
      Whether I at that moment checked to see if Joran was home I am not sure.

      To your question whether I than would have called Joran to
      ask him with whom he would drive home, I can state the following.
      It could be that I called him but I do not remember whether I did.
      I of course call Joran regularly. With the question whether or not
      he needs a lift home. Whether that happened on Monday May 30th
      2005, I cannot remember.

      To your question whether I told Joran who were with me,
      I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.

      To your question whether, in front of the casino, I had
      mistakenly thought someone was Joran and pointe him out, I can
      state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.

      I cannot remember what I did when I got home.

      To your question whether I had a talk on June 1st 2005 with Joran,
      Deepak and Satish about the case of the missing girl. I do not remember
      if this was on the 1st of June 2005.

      To your question whether I spoke to the boys at home on Wednesday
      June 1st 2005 and about what we talked, I can state the following. I don’t
      exactly remember anymore what days I spoke to the boys.

    254. JusticeforNatalee on February 20th, 2007 5:18 pm

      Paulus “I don’t recall” Van der Sloot.

      Paulus “I don’t recall because it might make me look guilty” VDS.

      Paulus “I don’t recall because it might make Joran look guilty” VDS.

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      [...] Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario will be discussing the recent Paulus Van der Sloot failed law suit against Aruba  Standard Podcast [62:44m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download [...]

    256. bob franco on February 27th, 2010 7:13 am


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