The Dana Pretzer Show – February 15th, 2007 – CDR Paul Toland, Mary Lou Randour, Tim Miller & Jossy Mansur

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    13 Responses to “The Dana Pretzer Show – February 15th, 2007 – CDR Paul Toland, Mary Lou Randour, Tim Miller & Jossy Mansur”

    1. Maggie on February 15th, 2007 10:04 pm

      Good show Dana! I had never heard of the abduction problem to Japan before. I used to watch Steve Martin on Saturday night where he played a female character who had so many cats, everything was covered in cat hair including her(him)self. I think they mean well, but it really is a health hazard for both them and the pets. Tim GET WELL SOON! He sounded tired tonight, but always great to hear from him and the great work he does. Jossy THANKS, for letting us know what the ruling was about. Interesting that through a wiretap it was found out that Paulus said he picked Natalee and Joran up 4am at Mcdonalds and took them to Holiday Inn. Was the second contact at Holiday Inn on the casino tape. On one of the statements by one of the MBS students, she said Joran was there playing with an older man. Is that the older man they were refering to? All 4 of them know what happened to Natalee that night.

    2. LilPuma on February 15th, 2007 10:38 pm

      Excellent show, Dana.
      I think the Japanese need to respect our culture enough to not separate a man from his children, in spite of marital dissolution, especially since the mother and father are both US citizens. I don’t see this as being a big political issue for the State Dept., although I’m sure they do. If I child has two parents who love her, she should be allowed to grow up with both of them.

      Tim, take care of yourself. Kudos to Jodie’s community for their show of appreciation.

      Dr. Randour, I hear, has a book called Animal Grace? I’ll have to check. Animal cruelty in its various forms are a red flag that there is a problem of mental health and/or crime. If you hear or see something that seems odd, please contact authorities for the animals as well as the rest of the community.

      Jossy: Thank you for clarifying! So the Supreme Court believes there is strong evidence that Paulus met Natalee at the casino and picked up Joran and Natalee in the early hours of 5-30-05. Looks like the Kalpoes weren’t lying about NOT picking Joran up at the beach and Beth, Jug and friends weren’t lying about what they heard at the van der Sloot residence the night they arrived in Aruba.

    3. Sue on February 15th, 2007 11:35 pm

      But Why is Paul not a suspect still that just pisses me off

    4. Scared Monkeys on February 15th, 2007 11:50 pm

      #3 … Because at the time Aruba officials wanted this case to go away. They never had any intentions of dealing with NH’s disappearance. It was all done for show, to save those involved and save their tourism.

      They never in a million years thought in Feb 2007 this would still be an issue and their tourism would be imploding.

      PVDS can always be made a suspect again.

      If he had contact with a missing girl and JVDS prior to her disappearance and phones were tapped, its hard to believe that he may not be back on the hot seat.


    5. Miss-Underesitmated on February 16th, 2007 1:37 am

      What took so long to do this with PVDS and why now?
      Nothing is without incidence in Aruba, you just have to wonderwhy now?

      Is this out because Karin is gone or is Karin gone because this is out?

    6. Smish on February 16th, 2007 5:38 am

      Good question Miss,about Karin Janssen.Funny how we even have to ask a question like this but it IS Aruba I guess.

    7. Richard on February 16th, 2007 5:52 am

      I didn’t hear the show, so let me ask this question again in an effort to clarify things.

      Is the Aruban court saying there is solid evidence that PvdS did, in fact, pick up BOTH Joran and Natalee in the early hours of that morning?

      Or is it saying that PvdS made such a statement (to whom? was it said over the phone, and taped?) and that, on the basis of this statement, he seems to be fabricating a story? I suppose the reason would be to say that Natalee was at a certain place at a certain time, and that he saw her … so therefore she didn’t disappear earlier.

      I would much appreciate clarification on this, to the extent possible.

      I’m wondering how all the Dutch rules about who can lie and who can’t lie (witness, suspect, etc.) affect this.

    8. Richard on February 16th, 2007 6:17 am

      Some of my questions above are answered in the update to the “no damages for Paulus, part two.”

      I certainly hope that more details about these witnesses (could they be the Kalpoes?) and the times and places of their reported sightings of PvdS in the company of Natalee will be made public.

      Recent developments may suggest that there is some kind of agreement on Aruba that the “fix” is no longer in; that something has to happen. Let’s hope so. If the dam breaks, the water will come pouring out quickly.

      When, and to whom, did PvdS make the statement about picking BOTH Joran and Natalee up at 4 am? My initial reaction is that it was an attempt to give Joran an alibi. (“Look, I know that she was still alive and well at 4 a.m., because I saw her with my son in person, and I gave her a ride back to her hotel.”)

      Then, when he realized that the whole mystery wasn’t going to be ending soon, due to the persistence of the Holloway Twittys, he dropped this concocted story.

      But let’s hope we find out for sure.

    9. Pam on February 16th, 2007 10:20 am

      Dana, I appreciate your coverage of the topic of parental abduction to Japan in your interviews with Paul Toland, Brett Weed and Patrick Braden. However, please note this is not only a problem for fathers of US citizenship married to Japanese women. American women married to or divorced from Japanese men also find themselves in the same situation. Thanks to information and support from CRN Japan and the Center for Missing and Exploited Children I have been able to take preemptive measures to prevent my ex-husband from kidnapping our daughter back to Japan. I was married to him for 14 years and never really knew about the legal situation in Japan regarding parental custody until I started looking into the issue during our divorce.
      Anyway, again thanks for publicizing the issue. It really is tragic for these kids and parents torn away from each other.

    10. Dana on February 16th, 2007 12:09 pm

      Pam please contact me via email about your story.

    11. Mark Smith on February 16th, 2007 12:41 pm

      Dana, Thank you for helping to get the word out about Japan being a Haven For International

      Parental Abduction!!

      Your listeners can read about other left behind parents whose children were taken to Japan here:

      Arrest warrants for many of the abductors are documented here, yet Japan refuses to extradite

      these wanted criminals.

      And finally, if you want to know what people are starting to do about it in courts of law in the US

      and elsewhere, check these links.

      As the comment by Pam indicates, one place we can currently fight back is in US courts. Sadly,

      we must take the same approach that Paul discussed, preventing the Japanese parent from

      having unsupervised access to their children in the US. Until Japanese grandparents complain

      to their own politicians about having to travel to the US to see their children, and then only in

      supervised situations, Japanese politicians will not change family law in Japan. There have been

      some cases like this already, a few of which are documented here:

      But there are more in progress, such as this American mother’s fight:

      Since the US State Department is not acting forcefully enough, we must take this to the state

      level by making it easier to get legal orders requiring supervised visitation. So I hope everyone

      reading this will ask your state representative to enact the recently finalized The Uniform Child

      Abduction Prevention Act.

      Already Alabama, California, Oregon, Tennessee and Texas have similar laws, but we need

      them in all 50 states. This will help fight international parental abduction not only to Japan, but to

      any foreign country that has not signed the Hague Convention or who does not in practice

      implement its principles.

      Mark Smith
      Japan CRN webmaster

    12. LilPuma on February 16th, 2007 7:58 pm

      Thank you, Mark Smith. I wasn’t sure who to contact or write to or even what to tell them. Your post answers that question.

      Dr. Mary Lou Sandour does have a book called Animal Grace (available at Amazon in paperback for $11.20–there’s an Amazon link on this page!) She “google’s well”. :-) She’s done a lot of work regarding the connection between animal cruelty and violence against humans. Although Dr. Sandour didn’t author the article below, I wanted to post this excerpt from the Michigan Bar Journal the subject:

      A cat or a dog is deliberately set on
      fire; kittens are placed in boxes
      and thrown out as garbage to be
      crushed alive by trash compactors;
      a dog is purposely starved to
      death to ”teach it a lesson”; an
      angry man intent to hurt his wife and children
      beats and buries the family dog while it
      is still alive. Neighbors hear the crying dog
      and call the police who arrive to dig up a
      dead pet. Incidents such as these are often
      under-reported, but cruelty towards companion
      animals in domestic violence situations
      is slowly pushing its way into the common
      consciousness as more prosecutors, psychologists,
      and others are highlighting the dimensions
      of the problem…..

      This ”link” has long been recognized by
      The Federal Bureau of Investigation, which
      routinely incorporates animal cruelty as a factor
      in assessing the threat level a subject poses
      to society.

      The whole article is here:

      Dr. Sandour has recommended that better statistics be kept on instances of animal cruelty and be included in the FBI’s data base.

    13. Nicholas James on June 29th, 2007 10:01 am

      “Since the US State Department is not acting forcefully enough, we must take this to the state level by making it easier to get legal orders requiring supervised visitation. So I hope everyone reading this will ask your state representative to enact the recently finalized The Uniform Child Abduction Prevention Act.”


      This bill is a horrible bill. It can also be applied to inter state abductions as well as international abductions.

      A person (custodial or non-custodial) can be treated as a ‘potential abductor’ for performing ordinary parental duties. Acts such as obtaining your child’s birth certificate; obtaining your child’s medical records’ or even obtaining your child’s school records.

      Similarly the bill can be applied against any parent that has ever closed a bank account; or has terminated a lease; or has sold a home; or has quit a job. These are all ordinary life events that in no way shape or form indicate that someone is a ‘potential child abductor’.

      Similarly the bill can be applied against any parent who simply has family living in another state; or who has ‘cultural ties’ to another state; or who has ‘emotional ties’ to another state.

      In other words, the bill is so vaquely written that anybody can be cast as a ‘potential child abductor’.

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