RSSPeter de Vries Investigates the Natalee Holloway Disappearance in Aruba … Lies and conflicts of Interest
It is apparent that Investigative Crime reporter Peter R. de Vries feels that the case of missing
Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway is one of lies, conflicts of interest and highly sensitive police information. It is also apparent who he is focusing on.
Today at 3:00 PM EDT, 9:00 PM in The Netherlands, Peter R. de Vries will be airing a show regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. After 18 months of a less than stellar performance by Aruban officials and investigators in Aruba in handling the Natalee Holloway case, Dutch investigative reporter Peter de Vries is taking on the case. De Vries will be looking at all aspects of the case, existing evidence, primary suspects, statements and all the elements that the ALE and prosecutors should have paid attention to.
Peter R de Vries has a long history of investigative reporting in The Netherlands. He is revered by many and now feared by those who do not wish the truth to come forward. The promo (translated) from Peter R de Vries web site.
In an extra long program of almost 80 minutes, Peter de Vries pays extended attention on Sunday to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba, at the end of May 2005. He shows us alot of aspects of this mystery. De Vries investigated in the Netherlands and was recently in Aruba for a week researching. Peter R. de Vries has spoken with several people concerning the case.
Discussions have been conducted with a number of people confidentially and sometimes in secret, which have produced 6 new revealing facts according to SBS. In the program, it is shown that main suspect Joran van der Sloot has not only lied about the fact that he dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn hotel, but that there are more points in his declaration that are not correct.
Also, in the investigation of the disappearance, it has come to light the importance of a battle at the justice level between the chief public prosecutor and the Procurator-General on Aruba, a violent conflict concerning the matter. Also it is indicated that during the investigation, remarkable decisions were made and things gone wrong. The police force has meanwhile a new theory concerning what happened that night and particularly where it took place. One for example no longer believes that Joran left Natalee behind on the beach. Peter R. de Vries, crime report is Sunday 21.00 see at SBS 6.
- JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: I told him, you know, The girl’s still on the beach and, you know, she wanted me to stay there with her. And it’s — you know, I want to go — I want to go home. What do you do? And he reacted, like, you know, OK, yes, (DELETED) let’s go, you know? Let’s go fast. (Fox News)
Joran, we told you back on July 21, 2006 not to get too comfortable and that you were still a suspect. You and yours just did not want to listen. It appears something may still be on your back.
(Hat Tip: Klaas)
Peter de Vries had commented in an article published in Diario when he was in Aruba investigating the missing Natalee Holloway’s:
Peter de Vries has this program for 12 years, and has a lot of success in solving cases in the Netherlands and other countries, told DIARIO that they will continue to investigate Natalee’s disappearance seriously. So everybody can have a view on what really happened.
In the interview with de Vries, it is apparent that he does not think that the girl is still alive and if she disappeared, she did not plan it. (Diario)
Some have stated “they were inclined to believe” Joran Van der Sloot, investigative reporter Peter de Vries does not follow that same train of thought.
It is the week of the dead girls. Peter R. de Vries airs this Sunday night (SBS6, 21.00 hrs)a 80 minute special on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
When I read the press report, I think that the VDS family, and Joran in particular will not be happy with the program: I get the impression De Vries sees him more like a suspect than I thought thus far. (Misdaad journalist, Hat Tip: Mitral Valve)
This may be a very uncomfortable view for the Van der Sloot family and all those who once proclaimed Peter de Vries as a great investigative reporter. That is before they learned that de Vries would get involved, do his job and point the finger.
UPDATE: Peter de Vries Program
Posted November 26, 2006 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Media, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, World | 245 comments |
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This is great news. Maybe this Mr. de Vries from the Netherlands can succeed where Ward, Woods, Mammana, Dr. Phil,Greta, Nancy, Geraldo, Skeeters, Rita and ALL the others have failed.
Holey moley. Lies in Joran’s statements ? No! ! !
Wonder what DeVries picked out.
Stay tuned.
The Sloots don’t intimidate Peter D. the way they do the people in Aruba and you know Aruban’s are going to be watching this with bated breath. We will be watching aswell just as we’ve watched since day one, we have kept our promise to Natalee that we would not abandon and forget her. I feel its an answer to our prayers that someone in Holland would seek the truth of Natalee’s fate no matter where it led, we have waited 18 months for such a person in Aruba but NOT one could be found.
I read all the time and usually don’t post. Great job on the article(as usual). Hope the show states what we all want to hear. I do have a question though – if the evedents points to a person/s what will be done? Will he report it to the dutch and will justice be served? Just hope the purps don’t walk free as they have been doing.
Keep up the good work. Excellent job.
Can’t wait to read the translation. Unfortunately I don’t speak Dutch.
We should take bets on which troll will post first, these sort of things have a way of drawing them out of the woodwork.
I wish the show would have subtitles, it wouldn’t be hard for them to do now would it. You’d get more of the human feeling of Natalee’s tragic story as it plays out on Dutch Tv.
IndyDan,
Well, we know it wont be Patti or yoyo dimwit since Klass and Red saw fight to can thier ass. But as you said, Im sure one of the little weasles will talk smack. Im waiting for them to say Devires is the one that broke into JVDS apt. But the funny thing is that only JVDS crap was taken and no one eles. Pretty sure that if Devries was the one that did it, he would make it look like a robbery. Therefore, it sounds like a JVDS inside job tp try and make Devries look bad because he knows the bus is right behind him. What a punk!
haha IndyDan!
i was thinking the same thing!
we’ll just use Suspect’s initials when placing our bets!
*winks at the monkeys*
Thank You Peter de Vries for looking at this case. Watch your back or Paulus, Joran, ALE, Oduber and cohorts will stifle you.
I hope something comes of this but after all the dead-ends I will believe it when I see it.
Throughout this ordeal I believe the Dutch have been as untrustworty as the Arubans. After all, it is the Dutch elites who occupy most of the top criminal justice positions in Aruba and directed the cover-up. Will a Dutch reporter uncover something Beth and the family couldn’t after months of investigating? Like I say – I will believe it when I see it.
Seems they are trying to set Devires up, but he is way smarter than these punkass weasels. JVDS even bought a photoshopped pic of him with Natalee in her home on New years. Devires confronted JVDS and the pus{{edit}} called the cops. What a punk!
airgame12!
Do tell when this alledged breakin happened as it is news to me! What was taken and which newspaper(s) reported on the breakin?~
Late October, and only JVDS crap was taken supposedly. Also, as it appears, Jannsen may have been in on this, and the reason the shoes dissapeared, is so the footprints at the burial site could not be traced back to JVDS. Let you know more as they put it out on BFN.
Supposedly Joran stated, ” I know what you think, you think that Natalee is dead and me and my father disposed of the body! I dont know where she is buried!” Now how in the hell said anything about being buried unless you have prior knowalge dipshit.
The show just ended..really good..lots of new things..Joran will not like this..But Peter r de vries is right..corruption big time…
Jorans Lawyer went to Karin Jansen en told her that he can’t handle it no more and that Joran is guilty..
JVDS stament of the above was to the police when they had wore his ass out with questions. But supposedly, sine it wasnt in the mother land language, they missed the chance to corner him on his mistake.
Yes the Dutch in Aruba have proven untrustworthy and i also will have to see it to believe it. I do like what i’m hearing that Peter is a seasoned (12 years) and revered Investigative Reporter.
Of course Joran doesn’t know where she is buried.
PAULUS took care of all of that. MARK MY WORDS….Before this whole thing is over and the truth comes out, you will find Paulus’ role as the main perp in the final hours of Natalee’s life and the “no body, no crime” cover-up that he orchestrated with the assistance of the Aruban LE, Judiciary, and the government.
PAULUS IS YOUR PERP. Do not get me wrong. Joran ran the ball down 90 yards of the field…but Paulus took care of the last 10 yards of getting it into the endzone.
He DeVries…ask some difficult questions like:
Why wasn’t Paulus home searched?
Why haven’t Paulus’ cell phone records been looked at for that evening and the ensuing 10 days that the cover-up was playing out?
Why didn’t ALE come up with a timeline for Paulus?
Does Paulus have a computer??? As he was arrested as a suspect why wasn’t his computer confiscated and looked at?
Why would Aruba name Paulus as ‘no longer a suspect’ and pay him $30k, when other people who were harmed in a greater way have not received this special treatment? What is the effect of deeming one ‘no longer a suspect’ and rewarding them money when it becomes clear that he was a major player in the crime???
What’s to the early rumors that Paulus was taking ATM money out in the early hours of the morning of Natalee’s disappearance?
What was Paulus relationship with Van Der Stratten? The Curacao judge? Aruban judges? Crime elements on Aruba?
This is where the case needs to be focused like a laserbeam folks. PAULUS IS YOUR PERP. It is time DeVries to put some pressure and heat on Paulus….perhaps an interview to clear up some of these questions would be good!
I will only trust DeVries when he takes the appropriate steps to uncover what Dutch Investigators are refusing to do —- exposing Paulus and the favors done by many high-ups within Aruba’s government. Otherwise, he is just another shill trying to put the focus on Joran, a minor, who in the end will take the rap for this case when Aruba runs out of ways to cover-up for Paulus and others.
md
I haven’t posted before because I am always reading Scared Monkeys while I’m at work. Something made me check it out today and I can’t believe I missed the show! I have been following Natalie’s disappearance through Scared Monkeys since almost the beginning. Can someone please fill me in on what new things came from the show? My heart aches for Natalie and her family and I hope they finally get the answers they need to find closure.
“The police force has meanwhile a new theory concerning what happened that night and particularly where it took place. One for example no longer believes that Joran left Natalee behind on the beach. Peter R. de Vries, crime report is Sunday 21.00 see at SBS 6″
Perhaps the police force has been listening to MN Dad….They would then know that Natalee lived her final hours in Paulus and Anita’s home, in their bedroom, on the mattress.
The blood soaked mattress don’t lie…
The way Aruba LE and the judiciary covered for Paulus by not allowing a search of his home – even though he was arrested as a suspect!!!
The way Aruba and Curacao black robed buddies of Paulus covered up for him and insulated him from the case through VOID JUDGEMENTS FULL OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
It is time. Even if Joran turns himself in watch for Aruba to treat him like a minor…..and watch for Paulus to walk free. This will be the endgame if they can no longer play the current charade that they are playing. md
(Rotterdam ) Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
3)Mr. Carlo asks Janssen for private talk to clear his conscience. Secret tip says he points at J. but tells Janssen the justice department needs to find the evidence on its own. Later on Janssen asks about more information when the case is stuck. Carlo responds but nobody knows what he wrote. When Peter confronts him the hidden camera shows uncomforatbility and he denies. When Peter confronts Janssen with it she says she won’t comment because “Carlo denies his statement now”
Tjeerd) De Vries stresses very pronounced Joran did download 2 sexmovies and watched for 2 hours after he was home…
So now we have both paulus and joran who have alot to tell but at a later date. The interviews confirmed what we have always known. The ALE,Prosecution,Govt and Defense all know what happened to natalee 18 months ago. Paulus reached out to his good friends and they covered up natalees rape,murder and burial. Too many people got involved and are all apart of the coverup. There is no looking back now…
I FEEL ASHAMED TO BE DUTCH
I’m in Holland and just watched the show.
In this show it seems that Dutch officials did all they could to prevent a investigation by Police and DA.
The worse of all they let the Isalnd take the fall.
I feel trully ashamed of my fellow dutchmen on the island.
Sounds like they have enough to hang them out to dry! And if Devries can come up with all this we didnt know,you can bet the DA has an ass load more on it as well. So the question is…….What the hell are you waiting for???
Here is what happened on the
De Vries Show in bullet point form.
http://tinyurl.com/y66ckr
PS- Hey J, ESAD COLD BLOOD! I told you that your bus is
coming.
Luv Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Carpe
Justice 4 Natalee!
DE VRIES Pics
http://tinyurl.com/szawg
http://tinyurl.com/y599lr
Justice 4 Nat!
http://tinyurl.com/y5mcp7
Who cares if the people involved would be hurt by the information. It’s way past time to tell. Natalie and her entire family have had to hurt and these people aren’t ready to tell?
Why does the justice department need to find evidence on their own when Jansen can tell them what Carlos private talk was about?
I’m from the Netherlands and I watched the show.
Peter R. de Vries did some good work. He is really going to smoke some people out. Joran, his dad and some other ‘friends’ knows what happened.
I hope that this show will be aired in the USA.
ab
AB,
If you need some gas to help with the fire to smoke these shits out, please let me know and I will send a tanker full ASAP. Glad your here! Mike
Fab and ab
Thank you for coming here and commenting. This has been
a vary trying case for most of us. It is nice to see
some understanding from the Netherlands. If we missed anything, feel free to add notes. The link to our
collection:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=78874#78874
Hey Fab.
I so agree with you..I’m dutch living in Aruba..and the Dutch really let Aruba take the fall..incredible…
Thank your Carpe for the link!~
Check this out Aruban DA…….I dont think you know this otherwise you would do your damn job!
Modern Obstruction of Justice, in a common law state, refers to the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice.
Generally, obstruction charges are laid when it is discovered that a person questioned in an investigation, who is not a suspect, has lied to the investigating officers. However, in most common law jurisdictions, the right to remain silent allows any person who is questioned by police merely to refuse to answer questions posed by an investigator without giving any reason for doing so. (In such a case, the investigators may subpoena the witness to give testimony under oath in court) It is not relevant if the person lied to protect a suspect (such as setting up a false alibi, even if the suspect is in fact innocent) or to hide from an investigation of their own activities (such as to hide their involvement in another crime). Obstruction charges can also be laid if a person alters or destroys physical evidence, even if they were under no compulsion at any time to produce such evidence.
So it looks like most everyone involved except natalees family knows what happened to her. Twice now we see dutch reporters interviewing the sloots and both times they say they will tell the truth at a later date.
Why did Ben ( Vo ) King answer the door when the police
came to do the search warrant ? Did he know they were coming or was he staying there while Paulus and Joran were in jail ?
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Ben is the one who was the Director of Prisons in the Matthews case. This is where the court in The Hague ruled against the KIA Prison for abuses of human rights. The decision came down in the fall of 2005.
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Judge DeWitt ruled aganst a search of the VDS property. Only Joran’s apartment could be searched. Was this the judge who used to stay at the Sloots ?
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I could download a movie .. doesn’t mean I was here watching it does it ? Ever leave your TV or computer on when you go out ? I do. Very slim alibi. My TV was on, my computer was on, therefore I was home !
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Joran the Sicko gets a picture photoshopped of himself and Natalee on New Years’ Eve, 2004. This whole thing must be a joke to him, just like this “investigation “.
And # 22 Fab… if you ever run into Joran run like the wind.
#33
And thats obstruction!!! So what the hell is the DA waiting on?
Maybe we should watch The Line-up tonight. Surely they are aware of what’s going on.
Wish we could see the show and get a clue how the people there were reacting to de Vries’ show….chris
To all the Dutch posting tonight having seen Peter Vries show we thank you. Put the shame and the blame where it belongs on the shoulder’s of Dutch Officals, Police & the Suspects! Rise up & hold Aruba responsible for the crimes against Natalee and do it now.
#34 to #22 On if you run into Joran run like the wind. Here is a better idea. Three rounds center mass!!!
I’m from the Netherlands too, saw the show tonight.
Before tonight I couldn’t believe Joran could have ‘survived’ the thourough questioning by the Aruban police.
This is the first time I doubt the whole investigation. I believe Peter R de Vries.
[and feel ashamed about the whole thing]
The VanDerSloot world just keeps getting smaller. Sweaty and Sleezy have to feel like outcasts in Aruba and Goonboy is the Netherlands OJ.
Imagine GoonChild going for a job interview. And finally, Joe (blowhard) Tapioca, he must be feeling good about the shine he gave to boywonder. All the money Aruba and the Sloots paid this shill has been washed down the drain by someone willing to just state the facts. Greta, are you paying attention!
#39 Welcome and thanks for your support! We know deep down that there are a lot of good popel there, its just hard sometimes to remember that when you have trash thumbing thier nose about us for what they did to Natalee.
With all this new evidence it will make it impossible to set Joran and the Kalpoes free at the end of November. As long as they are suspects we have a chance.
So deVries believes that Natalee did not disappear voluntarily. I can’t imagine that anyone thought that to start with.
It’s encouraging that we’re getting Dutch posters here. For so long, it seemed as though the Dutch were utterly indifferent to the whole saga.
Please, mynheer (that’s the extent of my Dutch, sorry), don’t let your interest stop with this forum. Do what some of us have been doing since day one … write, write, WRITE to your legislators demanding action. We cannot allow Aruba to think this case will fall into the sand.
Again, deVries has no legal power, as I understand it … he’s no more than a media figure. Let’s hope that we Americans, Dutch and even those Arubans who are concerned can all work together and, by force of our letters, writings, and protests, force these governments into action.
I will believe the drug comments when I see the statements from her friends, until then, I don’t believe them. I also don’t believe Natalee’s death was an accident. If it were an accident, why would someone not take her for help and would go out and bury her instead. There had to be evidence of a crime on her and Joran’s shoes. I can’t imagine anyone I know going out on a date and the person they are with gets ill and they would take them out and bury them, then lie about their missing shoes, with any reasonable explanation. If possible, these people make me sicker than they did before.
To all the Dutch & Aruban posters!
Thanks for your posts. It takes
balls to post here if you’re
from ARUBA or NL…
We love Natalee like a family member.
The discussions get pretty
hot at times, most of us here
would fight to the death
for her.
… & I just wanted to say -
Welcome, and I’m glad that you took time out
to stop in to share your views with us. It
means a lot, & is much appreciated!
J4N & Peace Be With You
http://tinyurl.com/yaf3rg
http://tinyurl.com/n66r5
Still trying to blame Natalee saying she used cocaine. Aruba does this….yet fails to mention Joran is 16 & 17 drinking in Casino’s.
Liars Liars Liars!
#31
U got it, Mayan!
LOL Klaas!
I see de Vries is joining J for
a little bike ride.
First the phoney letter Paul VDS claimed he got from Natalee and now this fake photo!
Watch out girls! Steer clear of the Sloots!
There was an article today saying that some Brazilians robbed a tourist bus, which they threatened (while posing as police) with hand grenades. Lively Latin characters.
But anyway, apparently U.S. travel agents have been warning travelers to Brazil about the crime rate.
So where in Hell are their voices about Aruba, where lies have been commonplace for a year and a half?
BOYCOTT ARUBA.
BOYCOTT ARUBA.
BOYCOTT ARUBA.
To our honorable Dutch visitors, please help spread this message back home. We the American people have “voted” not to spend our dollars there … but the Dutch politicians won’t listen to us. They might listen to you.
lol i saw it too! love it!
Joran & his Father sat with Natalee at a blackjack table in the Holiday Inn Casino just hours before she is led out of Carlos & Charlie’s….Never to be seen nor heard from again!
PAUL complains ya’ll….of Peter calling it what it is!
“A Murder”
You’re right Mayan, Natalee doesn’t fit the profile of a coke user. No way, no how. This is right out of the DumPig file when he was looking for some kind of common ground way out of the mess he was handed once the corrupt Dutch had their way. We now see the path he took, he resigned.
Appears Anita has her knickers in a bunch folks!
Lets write letters to all the people with Anita folks!
aruba hit on this cocaine use as a lever to use against bachus last year and he bought it, lock stock, and barrel.
renfro and her happy band of cokeheads can’t conceive of there being a world where the stuff isn’t used, or people who don’t use it. a pox on aruba for allowing this travesty of justice and the blatant lies used by an island to save their reputation and protect the predators that took this child of god. aw, forget the pox, according to the newspapers, dengue fever is back for the winter. that should pretty well take care of it
dennisintn
Okay, say Natalee did use cocaine. So does that make it right that the VDS’ and 2Ks made her disappear? No!!!! even if it is true, it DOES NOT! There is no excuse. IF she did od they should have taken her to the ER. IF she did, and they didn’t, they must have gang raped her and didn’t want anyone to know what they had done, so instead of getting her help, they let her die and disposed of her. Please remember I said “IF” and that’s a big “IF.” And I agree about the shoes. Probably left footprints or has blood on them. They’ll never be found…incinerated I’ll bet. I am so glad DeVries did this! Maybe one day soon we’ll actually hear that there has been JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
Paules: Uhh ii can’t tell you right now
Coz it’ll hurt someone?????
HAHAHAHA
I remember IndyDan! Only problem with that DUM theory is where is Natalee’s body? Aruba has her burying herself!
Mayan says:
Appears Anita has her knickers in a bunch folks!
Lets write letters to all the people with Anita folks!
———-
Yeah buddy, her underwear is wedged…
worse than hangin a fat boy up on the ‘wedgie nail’
at Camp Titti Ca-Ca!
It is sorta a comedy
and tragedy all rolled
into one. -J4N
http://tinyurl.com/f9ctg
Yeah…..the world has gotton smaller for Joran & his Father tonight, and i hope it gets alittle more smaller everyday.
Is November ratings month in NH?
What is this mentality Aruba has that if they claim Natalee had some drinks that gives the local son’s a right to hurt her?
Arubans, only you can run the sick, arrogant Sloots off island! Picket their house, and the houses of the others involved. Take your island back! You didn’t ask for any of this, just as Natalee didn’t ask to die, and then be dragged through **** afterward. None of the innocents deserved anything they’ve been put through because of a few demented DOGS!!!
DEMAND more for your citizens! Picket, stare, glare, heckle….do whatever it takes to rid your island of its vermin.
In this country, known child molesters have a hard time finding neighborhoods that will allow them to reside ANYWHERE! Make the Sloots homeless too!!!! Will the Dutch offer them a nice neighborhood in which to reside now?
I believe that particular mentality
comes from Anita’s YOGA Instructor,
Mayan.
It’s called
“Head Up Th A$$ Position”
http://tinyurl.com/ykkpnf
Sure, Paulus doesn’t want to hurt someone, i.e. his stinky son. “I’ll do anything to help my son.” He’s still doing that and not speaking to anyone.
Kinda sick that Paulus was arrested after no one was allowed to search his house and property. It was just a show, like all others. If they had searched his property, Paulus’ arrest would have been swift. The bloody mattress was there, alright, with evidence of all who were present.
I don’t believe that Natalee did cocaine. Drink? Yes. The pictures are proof. An honor student doesn’t do drugs, IMO, cuz drugs fry your brain.
I’m a bit afraid to get my hopes up too much. Made me ill, all those times that we got our hopes up and no truth appeared. De Vries has nothing to lose. I hope he’ll pull out all the stops and go full steam ahead. Show what the Sweats and Sleezebags are really like.
Justice 4 Natalee
molly (in Houston)
Just how does one OD on cocain?
This isn’t part of MY rock n Roll fantasy!
Ha Ha Carpe……its crazy isn’t it. But soo predictable blaming the victim saying she did this or she did that….if it were true that alcohol or cocaine caused Natalee’s death there would be NO REASON to hide her body now would it?
Hey Carpe!
Post the link to your photo album on this thread please!
Its a must see for anyone new reading this site!
Its saying something about Jorass getting his hard drive cleaned up but hey i’ve got a news flash for ya. If you believe that you’ve been had sucker!
Hiya MM:
Right!
Well, much like we need to prove
that Dilbert, Dilbert’s male Parental Unit
actually murdered Natalee.
They need to be proving she in fact did do Cocaine?
I wonder if they can prove it better than NOT PROVING
she said Yada Yada Yada – about the Kalpoes. Hitler
boo-chit boo-chit boo-chit. ( which she did not -
it was used to stir deep emotion to anger and confuse people – the Van der Rapes KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT ‘MANIPULATION?’)
I don’t think the can prove she snorted coke!!!
They are 22 + time liars. A respectable dog
wouldn’t boo-boo within a 75 ft radius
of them.
Let ‘em put their money
where their collective mouth is.
Prove the coke allegations…
or SIT ON IT, POTSIE! Right?
-J4N-
——————
Thanks for askin’…
Here’s my PB ALBUM #1
http://tinyurl.com/nbjee
It is the ALE in ARUBA who think she od’d .
Those bunch of clowns.
Do you remember Dompig ? And his brother-in-law Boeti ?
Remember the interview in February. That is the source of the ” drug ” issue.
The drug thing did NOT come from the roommates.
Go to BFN for a moment and read Pearl’s comments on this. I can say it but not like Pearl says it.
God Bless Pearl ! !
#73, pearlie hit the nail square center on the head.
dennisintn
Rammstein on BFN is posting that on the De Vries show you could see that he had some kind of statement (either an FBI 302 or PV) from someone who said he/she was offered a line of coke by Natalee. I don’t know if it’s true, but apparently it isn’t just rumor.
Maybe the statement(witness) about being offered a line of coke was from Julia. She’s inserted herself in every other part of this so-called investigation.
Yeah Boeti…….who could forget him. He camps in the bushes arround Holiday Inn with a sliding glass door view of the rooms!
The best part was learning he’s Dompig’s brother in law earlier this year!
I brought this over so that people could read this. It is not me who said this, but it is so well written, i wanted to share it. It is from Pearl over at BFN
.
One more personal thought .. look at Natalee. Look close. See the brightness in the eyes. See the clarity in the eyes. See the brilliant beaming smile. She the immaculate clean and well dressed Natalee. Watch her dance. See the focused Natalee. Natalee was on a mission. Higher education. A focused future in medical field. This trip was just for one week or less .. a blip of what was lying ahead. Next week held a totally different routine for her. She was robbed of this. And it is sickening!
None of this is what some others want you to imagine. Beware of the ignorance of others who will try to tell you different. If drugs came into the scene in Aruba they were put there by locals who were around the students … plural …. students.
This is meant to derail thoughts from the reality of why we are here. Natalee remains missing and the three who took her away and did not bring her back remain free. Pick up from there … and keep digging because the truth is known by more than one. MO
Thank you Pearl
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SM: Here is a photo of Natalee taken just before going to CnC that night. Does this look like a drugged out girl to you? Doesn’t to me. http://tinyurl.com/y7gvc5
But it gets better…..turns out the Kalpoe brothers are cousins of police Gerold Dompig!
#73 I agree.
I bet Boeti is the source of the “drug” statement.
This was not an “accidental” overdose.
First of all, the “drug” usage by Natalee is questionable, if not an outright lie.
Second, if there was an overdose, why didn’t Joran take Natalee to a hospital or call for help? Joran knew that taking Natalee to a hospital under those circumstances would not incriminate him; that is common knowledge on Aruba.
Third, why did Joran and others hide Natalee’s body? Because there is EVIDENCE on it!
There may have been an overdose. But I bet it was from a date rape drug. Or, perhaps Natalee died from a struggle.
Thank You Kat_gram for bringing that post over!
Pearle always has great posts!
Carpe….i think you are Right On about the Sloot’s using manipulation to turn the people of Aruba against Natalee & her family.
How do we know?
Well if the reference to slaves didn’t get cha
Carin Janssen writing our State Department asking if Beth is really Hitler’s sister will & to check for travels to Austria that Beth & or Natalee may have made!
To our new Dutch readers:
Welcome! We appreciate your comments.
Now you know why we Natalee supporters have been crying “outrage” about this case!
Well, Pearle said it so well, I could not resist. I hope it is ok with Pearle. There is a picture of Natalee in C & C’s early in the evening. Maybe it will show up. I would like ppl who just look at this FP to see it along with Pearle’s post.
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SM: Here is that photo you are talking about. I agree, this does not look like a girl that is drugged out to me
http://tinyurl.com/y7gvc5
#76
I would bet “Posner Money” on that RUMOR being
initiated by Witch Renfro !
Maybe JRenfro’s past should be re-visited to shut that
pot smoking fried up fritter the hell up !
Julia – are you listening ??? One more rumor started
about Natalee and you just might see a few pics posted
of your famous pool/pot parties you hosted in your
early years in the good ole state of Florida !!!
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All Anyone Needs To Do Is Take A Look At Natalee’s Videos
She Was NOT The Girls Gone Wild Type !
Trust Me – This Is Obvious Just By Watching Her Actions -
And Although Natalee Did Appear to Enjoy Life And Have Fun -
She MOST DEFINATELY WAS NOT INTO ANY ILLEGAL DRUGS !
Statements like that makes you question how anyone on Aruba with a straight face can make such a claim.
There could be no recovering Natalee’s body because Deepak says “If they find the girl they will see that chit”
whats he talking about….i don’t think he’s talking about sex or even multiple profiles of DNA on or in her body.
These guys aren’t that sophisticated.
There could be no body coz the chit they are talking about is the abuse…physical & mental they inflicted apon her. Injuries to her body so bad that they could never be explained as accidental.
#84
Kat & Klaas -
Wasn’t that pic of Natalee taken in the casino lobby
and not at CnC’s ?
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SM:Â Yes, just prior to going to CnC (klaasend) Then there was this photo Beth showed on TV also from that night:
http://tinyurl.com/ycplgt
if those two SOBs know something then they need to be locked up until they decide to tell the truth, PERIOD>
Ty Nychic for the correction. But it was that night.
And just a few short hours later, she went away from the world in the Kalpoe car. But, someday they will tell us the story.
I found the DeVries show ( what was posted about it ) very informative. And very upsetting.
God Bless Dave Holloway, Robin Holloway, Beth Twitty, Jug Twitty.
Kat_Gram -
That pic and many others were taken that last night -
And Not One Of Them Showed Natalee As Drunk Or Even
Doing Anything Considered Wild By Any Standards !
There Is Another Of Natalee Dancing At CnC’s and
She Appears To Be Having A Great Time – She Had
Even Put Her Hair Up Since It Is So Hot In There !
(now would a totally intoxicated girl even think
to do that in a bar while dancing ?? I say No !)
Hey mychic!
What you said just now, that Natalee was enjoying life & having fun is what keeps me fighting for her. All Natalee is guilty of is having fun on a vacation for goodness sake!
She had every right in the world to be doing just that.
Who would’ve ever thought that local son’s use a person’s
vacation as a weapon against them? These thugs waiting in the wings looking for any weakness or oppertunity to turn tourist into target.
Its what makes me the maddest & why i cannot let this go.
oops i meant nychic!
love seeing you post!
Carpe!
The shoe in the plastic bag looks like the shoe i see at the pond waters edge to me.
For sure there are many pics of Natalee on Aruba. All the kids had cameras, of course. I don’t recall their pictures being posted anywhere. Surely, there would be a lot of pics of Natalee on the beach, etc. So far we haven’t seen a lot of pictures of Natalee drinking. She was holding a bottle of water in one pic. The fact is, she was encouraged to drink at CCs by Joran, with most likely a drug in the drink.
Since Dompig can’t tell the truth about his own family vine, that includes a drug pusher and two low-lifes, who should believe that drug story about Natalee anyway?
oops! Above post is by me, molly (in Houston). I got so mad that I forgot to sign my post.
molly (in Houston)
I find it hard to believe that Natalee was using drugs voluntarily. She was not a known drug user and does not look stoned in any of the photos from that night. I suspect this info came from Boeti and he has already been discredited.
But even if Natalee did experiment and overdosed from a combination of drugs & alcohol why didn’t they just call 911 or take her to the hospital? If she caused her own death or even if it was an accident, there would be no reason to lie and cover-up it up.
Remember the police car tapes “if they find the body they will see the chit”. I believe there is evidence on Natalee’s body that clearly indicates a crime was committed against her and it implicates Joran.
I think de Vries rattled some cages with this show. I hope he continues to investigate this case. Maybe someone who knows some key info will come forward now.
Thank you Dutch Posters for coming here and sharing with us. I hope you continue posting and help us figure out how to solve this case.
To the Dutch/Holland/Aruba posters…
Thank you for posting here at Scared Monkeys. Your comments are much appreciated.
Linda and Yolande would you please send me an e-mail at dkpen357@yahoo.com. I would really like to speak with you aside from the front page blog, please.
God bless~
Saw the P.R. de Vries-show yesterday. It’s clear that father P. van der Sloot knows more…. But he “will only bring out the things he knows when the time is right…” Yeah.., when the body of Natalee is found and it is proven she is been killed!!! And papa Paul van der Sloot can selectively bring out facts… Only to keep the damage to his son be as little as possible.
Clearly a case of a sexparty or rape that has gone out of hand…..
Sad case
Dutch posters,glad your here we need you to keep the pressure on your goverment .
Thank you, Mr. DeVries, for investigating and telling this story in The Netherlands. It seems that many from Aruba or The Netherlands believe Joran was falsely portrayed by Natalee’s family and the US media. Hopefully, your findings will make it clearer that the investigation in this case was handled improperly and there is good reason to suspect Joran van der Sloot was involved in Natalee’s disappearance.
Here a link to an article in a Dutch paper about the PRdV-program:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/54297081/_Onderzoek_zaak-Holloway_gefrustreerd_.html?p=11,1#reacties
With more than 120 reactions [till this moment] from people who saw the program. 99% of them is terribly angry with the justice system on Aruba.
Me too, all this time I just couldn’t believe the Aruban justice system [which is partly Dutch] would be as awfully corrupt like this …
I’v seen |Peter and just one conclusion, straight away sent PROFFESSIONAL INVESTAGATORS, AND START TO DIG OUT THE HOUSE OF JORAN. I WOULDNOT BE SUPRISED THEY PUT NATALEE UNDER THE GROUND OF PAUL VAN DER SLOOT’S LIVING.
WHY mr DE WIT FORBID THE POLICE TO INVESTIGATE THE HOUSE OF PAUL VAN DER SLOOT.
NO BOYCOT BUT A DOZEN OF INVESTAGATORS TO ARUBA AND STAY THERE AS LONG THIS CASE IS SOLVED.
Another note to our Dutch friends: is there any blog in the Netherlands comparable to this one? If so, might I suggest (and of course, it’s up to the folks who run Scared Monkeys to decide if this suggestion has any interest for them) some kind of joint posting scheme, if that is practical?
Or could we have a section where members encourage those on the opposite side of the Atlantic to write to relevant people? Possibly one where sample letters and addresses are posted?
For those of us who support the Holloway Twittys, and that’s most of us who come here, this Dutch TV program provides further evidence of what happened … and provides an opportunity to get new momentum going.
We can’t just sit here and yell and scream. We have to take effective action on our governments … since Aruba will have to be pushed into doing anything, it’s up to us to do the pushing. Let’s share ideas and get going!
************** TOILET ISLAND *************
featuring DOCTOR EVIL (PAULUS)with his demented son MINI WEASEL (joran)
and that HAG OF a LADY (KARIN) the prosecutor
what a load of BULL CRAP
i hate them all
Peter R. de Vries has unvealed some controversial stories about Dutch criminals and mistakes by the DA Office in the past, but it’s also a well known fact he MAKES the story to make INTERESTING TELEVISION! The way this tv programm is cut and narrated can sent an innocent man to jail. Peter has been arrested numerous times for making FALSH JUDGEMENTS AND Ain the past.
sorry, :0(
AND ACCUSATIONS IN THE PAST !!!
EWWW
Looks like Joran, Pauless and Kalpoes better watch out, you got some one else on your asses now. HAHAHAH
You guys thought it was just us narrowing in but its De Vries, lets see whos shakin in their sporter shoes and who sweatin to the oldies.
Where’s the sporters shoes Pauless? Who is that old man that was sitting next to Natalee at the casino the last night Natalee was ever seen again?
HAHAHAHA
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY.
Fine, now the Dutch media might be getting involved (if this program proves to be more than a one-shot deal).
Does that matter?
After all, look at the flurry of activity that we saw on the American talk shows. Joe Scarborough (when the topic of Natalee Holloway was sweeping the country) orating: “If Aruba thinks we’re going to let this case go away, they don’t know the American people.” (quote is not exact)
Great van Susteren, Nancy Grace, and all the others.
And now where are we?
A year and a half, and more, later … and still we have no answers.
These TV shows help. But they won’t get the job done. Only the governments can do that … and it’s up to us to make them do it.
We’re all busy at this holiday time of year. Imagine what the Holloway Twitty families are thinking, and what kind of “holiday” it is for them.
If we don’t go all-out in supporting them, what hope is there that answers will ever be forthcoming? Let’s brainstorm on what we can do, and get to work.
If you want to respond to the P.R. de Vries programme I suggest you for instance, sent a mail to one of the – many – political parties.
Here is the adress of one whom I think wil indeed ask questions directly in parlement, to the minister of internal affairs. (In the P.R. de Vries programme was pointed a.o. out that there could have been corruption amongst members of the prosecutioners office in this matter.)
In the directory of the “Partij voor de Vrijheid”-site go to “Mail aan Geert” (=mail to Geert).
We too want this case solved!!!
Sorry, forgot the adress of the “Partij voor de vrijheid Site”. Here it is:
groepwilders.nl
Robert
Yolande..what do you mean ”partly Dutch”..The ones who have something to say here..are the Dutch
Paulus’ dutch buddies helped him out big time..the Arubans wanted to search the house,but the Higher Dutch didn’t let them..I’m so happy that this came out..The dutch really suck here in Aruba..corrupt as hell..I hope they all gonna pay for this.
Thank you De Vries and those in the NL who are working on the Natalee Holloway Case.
We have known along that this was a cover up and mired by political crap . This case have been more transparent than Anitas blouse.
I knew Natalee very well, she never had any appearance of a drug user. She did not take enough money with her to Aruba to buy cocaine. Having spent several weeks there in Aruba after she was taken from us, I found prices in Aruba for all goods to be much higher than in the USA. All of you are correct, if it had been a drug overdose they would never have buried her. After all Paulus did NOT say “no body, no drug case”,, he would have been the first to call 911 if she had overdosed on a drug. Natalee was a very bright girl, but she was also very trusting of people. That was her downfall, never trust strangers. Joran lied to all the Mountain Brook kids over and over. He still lies, so does Paulus. Paulus would be better off to come clean now. They will have more lies as more comes out, but the end result will be a living Hell for Joran for the rest of his life. As many are saying, their world just got smaller. Thank you Mr. de Vries and all of you from the Netherlands who are writing about his show. Justice for Natalee………………
I’m glad that Peter R. de Vries did the show, I also hope he continues with the case. He has an attitude which allows him to go beyond judicial procedures and what is not allowed by law.
What I have been saying for a long time is that this case has to focus on JORAN van de Sloot alone, who’s been very well guided bij all the Dutch people who are in high places in the judicial system, which I personally believe, that when it comes to a Dutch person who is being accused, all who are related or friends of the accused will unite together to bring the case to a dead end, that is true Dutch-act.
Reason why I believe Peter can achive a whole lot, being a Dutchman is that he even investigated a case which was about the Dutch Crown (Queen’s family)who had relations with, if I’m not mistaken, criminals from Argentina (could be another South American country though, not sure).
My point is that if he is so bold to even investigate his own people, Royalty! and bring out the truth, I truly hope he will do the same with the Hollaway Case wich has been silenced by pure Dutch Influence who flock together.
as a final touch, the dutchers are going to be taken down by one of their own. remember, God created De vries also !
your guilty boys are starting to twitch and squirm. can’t go anywhere, do anything without the presence of Natalee hovering over them.
I think Natalee overdosed thanks to JVS and whatever he slipped into her drink that evening.
That does not mean the boys did take advantage of that innocent and very, drugged girl because I am sure they did. When Nat did not become coherent again over time (probably a long time) the boys realized something was wrong with her and called daddy sloot rather then the ambulance. (Either pappa was called on the cell phone or asked to come upstairs to Joran’s bedroom.)
We Monkeys know that the DNA evidence was present on Natalee’s body, so getting her professional help was OUT of the question. They were only interested in helping themselves out of their own garbage pile.
Makes me reaaalllly wonder when the No Body No Crime statement was truly made. Possibly that terrible evening when deciding how to handle the “mess” they’d gotten themselves into? NOT the next day as given in the “statements”.
I also feel the boys may be tried to get rid of Natalee’s body first, then realizing it was too difficult a task…received help from daddy and daddy’s fair weather friends in high places (really, in low places).
The Sloots may feel the world may never know, but then again…maybe it will sooner than later!!!
Brenda
Pedal faster Joran …Peter is right behind ya.
Wheres your shoes at and why?
Update to #116.
My grammer sucks today!! I meant to say that doesn’t mean the boys didn’t take advantage. GEEZ..we all know that they did. I just do not believe that even Pappa Sloot would have given a crap about Natalee getting help for an overdose all KNOW was caused by his son.
What a creep. Hope that clears up the post as I am at work and being naughty again by being more interested in SM…..
Brenda
Deepak in his statement said Pauless said
It would be hard to prove a crime without a body.
Why say crime and why say body/corpse, how did Pauless know Natalee was dead and how did he know it was a crime, why didn’t he say accident?
Everyone please read comments 108, 109, 110.
I will not travel outside of the USA. Just too risky anymore. Glad this country does provide anything one wishes to see.
We have tropical areas (Fl, HA), mountains, plains, deserts, grand canyon, even tundra if you go to northern Alaska! Our law enforcement may not be perfect, but they would probably at least want to solve any crimes committed against me!
Brenda
nice girl’s bike you got there junior ! couldn’t ride one made for a man ?
Thank you to the Dutch posters here. Can you do anything to encourage Peter R. de Vries to continue his investigation into Natalee’s disappearance?
Since you are in his audience and would actually be able to watch his programs, could you please email him and express an interest in seeing his investigation continue?
The rest of us need to also email and make sure de Vries knows that Bouti is Gerald Dompig’s brother-in-law and a very heavy drug user who lives in the bushes outside the Holiday Inn. Who wants to stay in a place with that lurking around??? Why is he allowed to live there when he has a long list of drug convictions, prison sentences, etc. behind him?
Also send to de Vries any other information that may keep his interest in seeing justice done alive and well.
What do posters think of that photoshopped photo Joran had made up of himself and Natalee? What is that about? Now that was truly the shocking information of the entire program.
Naturally the Sloots are going to pretend it was obtained by breaking and entering Joran’s apartment to keep such a sick thing out of court but they have yet to prove that. How would a burglar know which things belonged to Joran and which to his roommates in order to only take Joran’s things? Inside job.
So what is that photo about and why did he have it made and even pay somebody $200 to create it for him? Was it supposed to be a job good enough to stand up in court, at least in Aruba? Did Joran actually think the kids in MB wouldn’t notice him at their New Years Eve party?
Also does anyone have the name of the alleged witness who says Natalee was doing cocaine? I think it was Bouti and not a roommate as some are trying to tell us. Can anyone confirm which roommate if it was one? The others have all said just the opposite so why would this one roommate tell a different tale? Don’t think she did, but if one did, which one has the contrary version of events?
Let’s help Peter deVries collect enough information for his next episode on this. By the way, he is very handsome.
Richard, Is Dave Holloway’s bank still receiving donations for Natalee’s search? I think that Dave should somehow let people know that funds are still needed and where they can be sent.
molly (in Houston)
Interesting … the accusations against Natalee, inserted into a “file” that seemed to have survived, while Joran’s May 31 statement to Polis, along with Deepak’s May 31 statements about what they did to Natalee …did not survive. Must have been due to that stellar manner of record keeping that Jan Van der Straaten had when it came to the creation of lies against the victim, and the destruction of all evidence against the killers of Natalee Holloway.
Strange how this “witness” statement against Natalee’s honorable, impeccable reputation somehow survives, but not Beth Twitty’s first report to polis: Natalee was seen being taken away in a car that contained Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, and that Natalee had been openly assaulted at least twice, and where both times, Natalee openly rejected these unwanted physical assaults on her body, and where one of the suspects actually hit her – physically after she had physically push away one man attempting to physically assault her right out in the open. No, better for Aruba to come up with more lies to assault the victim, so that American’s don’t learn the truth about the coordinated gangs who target innocent young tourists as their next victims for drugging, kidnapping, rape and murder.
Telling … the suggestion that there was a so-called “witness” who made accusations against the VICTIM – Natalee, suggesting that she somehow, caused her own death, so that Aruba can declare Natalee’s murder as nothing more than “unintentional”, and “accidental”, right along with Dompig and his liar relatives: the beach bum and the Kalpoes brothers who couldn’t seem to get their stories straight about where Natalee was dropped off or what the fake guards they created as more lies, wore for clothing.
The liars accusing a victimized child of using cocaine so that they can yet again blame the victim for the horrific suffering inflicted upon her by her killers, is just as reprehensible as the “looking the other way” that went on as Mickey John declared to an open-press that Paulus had held a meeting with all the suspects to plan the Holiday Inn lies that were told to polis on May 31 at 3 AM in the morning. Strange how we never focused in on the ONLY TIME that this meeting, conducted by Paulus COULD have been held since the lies begin on May 31, at 3 AM in the morning, as a distraught Beth Twitty simply begs Paulus to tell her: WHERE IS MY CHILD? WHERE IS NATALEE?
Strange, how those video tapes of Paulus sitting right there next to Natalee are somehow ignored which are taped only hours before she is never seen again, and instead, we get more filth from the liars, now suggesting this innocent, tormented child somehow had drugs in her possession…as though, we should believe the liars from Aruba, and not the truth that points to the fact that these liars obstructed justice and murdered an innocent, honorable child, and that the killers of Natalee are the very same ones involved in all the lies about what they did to her, and the widely reported confession of one who stated: “I killed Natalee and buried her”…along with “something bad happened…”
But rather than focus in on this true fact, instead, lies are invented in a scathing attempt to yet – once again, shamefully blame the tourist/victim instead of holding the murdering killers accountable and responsible for what they did to Natalee Holloway, and for their violent actions executed against Natalee that have led to Natalee never being seen again.
And let’s not focus on these facts …
That Deepak did remind us of what might be revealed if Natalee’s body were to be found: ‘all that chit on her’…
And of course, Paulus famous quote of a missing child who he revealingly refers to as a dead body – a body he references as a CORPSE: NO BODY, NO CASE…
You have to wonder: Who did they invent as the ‘witness’ against Natalee? With all the destruction of evidence, along with judges who prevented it from being gathered, you have to wonder: Who is this ‘witness’ against the innocent victim, Natalee? Is it Julia? Is it more Dompig relatives willing to sell a lie for a price? Is this more examples of Aruba’s unconscienable liars who are willing to lie against an innocent child who was victimized by Aruba’s most violent criminals?
Revealing, the fact that rather than focus on Mickey John’s statement that Deepak confessed to him that PAULUS was involved in the whole planning of the Holiday Inn lies, instead, the emphasis now shifts to more lies created to suggest that Natalee somehow caused her own murder, burial and bodily desecration.
Strange how this supposed “witness” statement survives,and finds its’ way into a “record”, yet, for some unknown and un-explained reason, Joran and Deepaks’ incriminating May 30th and May 31 declarations to polis have vanished along with Paulus’ first version of one of his statements where he claimed to have picked up his son at 4 AM in the morning on May 30, 2005.
The lies against Natalee’s good character seem to survive and surface in “the file”, yet these blatant lies told by Joran and his father somehow ….vanish, right along with Joran’s “confession”, and the victim, Natalee.
Along with this, numerous other conflicting and contradicting statements made by Joran, Deepak and Satish have vanished. Yet this lieing statement against the good honor and reputation of Natalee somehow survived – and surfaces, while, the killer’s confession, where Joran states he killed and buried Natalee, somehow ….disappeared.
Where are the conversations about how Joran’s confession of killing Natalee and burying her – suddenly…disappeared?
Instead, we are now left with more lies, about Natalee, the victim, who can’t speak for herself, since her killers took away her voice and shattered her truth with their lies and obstructions to her justice.
We are left with attempts to shift the blame and responsibility away from the killers and onto the victim, while all the statements discrediting these lies about drug use by Natalee somehow are also conveniently ignored and again, conveniently do not show up in the so-called “files” or records.
In addition to this, strange, how repeated attempts by Natalee’s family members all stating that Natalee would never go “with” strangers in a car, also …somehow, vanish and also does not show up in the “files”.
You have to start to wonder: Was the person who was keeping WHAT got recorded into the ‘files’, the same person who was burying this one, unrelenting fact: that the ONLY DEAD CHILD – Natalee, and the ONLY TRUTHFUL FACT THAT SEPARATED NATALEE, FROM ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK WAS THIS ONE HARSH, COLD FACT: THAT NATALEE WAS SEEN BY NUMEROUS EYE WITNESSES AS BEING TAKEN AWAY IN A CAR DRIVEN BY/ CONTAINING: JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH.
All the other Mountain Brook students who celebrated with Natalee all returned home.
All the other Mountain Brook Students who were not targeted and driven away by Joran, Deepak and Satish – ALL SURVIVED. Natalee did not.
All the other Mountain Brook students who celebrated with Natalee,all went on to college, pursuing their dreams and their futures. Natalee, the one taken away in the car by Deepak, Satish and Joran – did not go on to college, did not enjoy pursuing her life-long dreams.
All the other MB students who were NOT taken in the car containing Deepak, Satish and Joran, all got to GO HOME.
ONLY NATALEE NEVER MADE IT TO THE AIRPORT.
ONLY NATALEE NEVER RETURNED HOME.
And rather than focus on WHO Natalee was taken away by, we are now being fed more trash from Aruba: the lies to assault Natalee’s good honorable character, the lies to assault her good name and her well recognized and well regarded reputation.
Let’s not focus on WHO TOOK NATALEE AWAY, and that THIS was the one decisive fact that separated Natalee from all the other students who SURVIVED.
Instead, let’s sit back and watch more lies get spun about the innocent, honorable victim, so that Aruba can pick up and carry on with the “Aruba brand”, through Aruba’s dependency upon American’s for its tourism and do this off the back of Natalee Holloway’s pain and suffering, and the pain and torment inflicted upon her family.
Instead, we are told to believe the liar “witness”, who claims cocaine was used,…never mind all the students who openly declared this to be completely FALSE and NOT TRUE…nevermind the students who have repeatedly stated that Natalee never used any drugs at all, …instead, Aruba now attempts to spin more new lies…that there was ‘cocaine use’ … on top of her honor roll status, on top of her full scholarship to the University of Alabama, on top of her numerous well documented hours of community service, on top of her eye witness statements from all her friends who openly dispute these flithy lies and accusations that have been inserted yet once again in an attempt to shift the blame and the responisibility for the drugging, gang rape and murderous death away from her killers, and instead, shift it onto her…the INNOCENT, HONORABLE VICTIM. Don’t focus on the shame and arrogance of the killers and their co-horts in obstructing her truth and her justice. Instead, blame the victim, mar her good honorable name, and assault her once again through insidious lies to discredit her honorable reputation.
Meanwhile, don’t discuss Mickey John’s statement of Deepak’s confession: ” THE FATHER….all of them together…made up the whole thing…” …you know, that little “meeting” they all had on May 30, right before Beth arrived on the island. Don’t discuss this fact.
Don’t ask WHO the liason was for the “visibility team”, and how it was even considered plausible that no one who received that report that Natalee was MISSING, even picked up a phone to contact the ALE after it was reported directly to the visibility team that an American child was missing? No, don’t focus on this bizarre story.
Don’t focus on the THREE MEN who TOOK HER AWAY IN THEIR CAR, WHILE LIEING TO HER ABOUT WHO THEY REALLY WERE, and the fact that Paulus held a MEETING with ALL OF THEM on what lies to tell polis about what they had done to her, only HOURS after she was seen taken away by them in their car while telling her friends that she was going back to her hotel. No, no, no…let’s not focus on the victim’s truth. Let’s build more lies to bury her truth and discredit her good reputation, and bury her right to justice.
Instead of focusing on that CONFESSION by the killer: I killed Natalee and buried her …let’s turn the attention away from the murdering killers and instead, make up some more lies to go along with: WE DROPPED HER OFF AT THE HOLIDAY INN HOTEL.
Going to have to read Pearl’s post but also wanted to comment that I agree. Far more scrutiny has been placed on the victim and her family than the suspects in this sham of an investigation. Dompig said he had the right to investigate the possibility that Beth was conducting an insurance scam.
Well, he does but ONLY after he has eliminated those last seen with Natalee and searched their residence, etc. So far we are still waiting for that to happen. Not holding our breath, however.
And I can’t wait to hear Anita’s excuse as to why her pervert of a son had that photoshopped photo made up. You know that one is going to be a doozie!
It’s too bad all that effort was wasted investigating the victim and her family instead of those most likely responsible for her disappearance but now we know what would be done to our own families should such a fate await us in Aruba and to stay far away from such a place as that.
The chaperons all said they had received many compliments from the management and other guests at the Holiday Inn until Natalee was made to disappear in the company of these wayward and warped locals. Then suddenly, they were the bane of the island and the worst behaved group ever. I saw the girls in the casino behaving very nicely. None of the photos depict anything out of the ordinary in their behavior but suddenly they were totally notorious and even until this day, Aruban newspapers are printing articles on how badly Americans behave there.
Well, the simple solution to that is give us justice for Natalee and we shall never darked Aruba’s door again. That should make them very happy to know these dreadful Americans will never return to despoil their little flyspeck of an island. Their wish is granted!
Why is Joran riding a girl’s bicycle in that photo? DeVries says he is a known liar and a thief so did he steal it?? Anyone missing a bike in that area?
Can someone please translate the comments that are in Dutch on De Vries website? I’m curious what reaction the people in Holland are having to the show.
Thank you!
#127 Mortella
It must be Joran’s latest defense strategy–looking like a dork in order to create doubt about his guilt.
If you’ld like to encourage Peter R. de Vries to keep up the pressure in this case and or thank Peter R. de Vries here’s the adress:
peterrdevries.nl >> go to: “Tips en Vragen” (=”tips and questions”).
The word “onderwerp” at that page is “topic”. You should choose the topic: vermissing/verdwijning (=missing/disappeared).
Hi everybody! I hope you guys had a wonderful thanksgiving day with your loved ones.
About the show, I am so happy that Peter R de Vries showed the dutch audience that the ones involved in this coverup are the Dutch higher ups. You know, an aruban woman told me that if the suspect was an aruban, this case would have been solved long time ago and you know what, I am starting to believe that too.
Ms. Janssen,
Did you really want to solve the case?
Why couldn’t Opsporing Verzocht mention Joran’s SHOES?
Were you part of the problem, Ms. Janssen?
Your job is to be part of the solution.
Your job is to seek the truth and justice.
Your job is to be an advocate for Natalee.
You have the chance right now to turn things around and DO YOUR JOB with effectiveness and honor. Or, you can keep bumbling with ineptitude.
What’s it going to be, Ms. Janssen?
To 128 (sarahscooby).
Here is a translation of one of the respondents:
Hans zegt:
Na het zien van de reportage van Peter R.de Vries is het wel heel duidelijk dat hij de dader is geweest die joran van der sloot. De zaak rammelt aan alle kanten en als je vader wat geld heeft dan kan er wat geregelt worden in Aruba.
Ik hoop dat justitie deze uitzending ook heeft gezien en de zaak verder gaat controleren want het is nu toch wel heel duidelijk wat er aan de hand is.
Hans says:
After seeing the report of PRdV its very clear that he (Joran) is the one who did it. This case is very suspicious and if your father has money things can be fixed in Aruba. I hope justice (ministry of justice) has seen this broadcast and will investigate further cause it’s very clear now what’s goin’ on here.
Other comments question if Natalee is willingly or unwillingly abroad, has had een O.D (by herself or Joran and friends). Some say we must wait for justice to proceed and conclude. Some say the case has gotten far to much attention – “young people are killed every day in the US”.
But the big majority thinks Joran did it (or knows what happened) and think papa P. v.d. Sloot knows it too….
Thanks for asking about translation sarahscooby. There are some really great Dutch posters joining. Maybe they will help us out!
As far as trying to tear down a victim’s honor, that method is as old as time itself. My father, who was a wonderful dad, taught me to be very, careful of people who accuse you falsely for no reason. They are almost always responsible for what they are accusing of! Why? Don’t know what causes folks to be that way. Dad called it “deferring responsibility or guilt”. Like when one brother accuses his younger sibling of getting into the candy dish when it was really the older brother all along. Good parents raise their children to go against the nature to lie. Spank it out, scold it out, however they punish bad behavior. (Joran got none of that!)
JVS statements that Natalee was easy is no more to me than him showing his own true colors. JVS is an easy “slut” who probably hates his OWN mother who is the real “Hitler” in his mind. Probably jealous Natalee had a loving family. Even if only subconsciously, JVD knows his mom rules the roost. Do NOT think for a minutes Joran “snuck” out of the house with his daddy home. He had daddy’s full consent!! It was MOMMY they were BOTH hiding their actions from.
Brenda
I’m also from The Netherlands and saw the show last night.
Some people here are wondering why the Dutch weren’t posting earlier on this site. I think most Dutch people thought the same I did before I saw the show of Peter R. de Vries. Thousands of girls are missing every year and now some American rich girl with connections is missing in Aruba and the whole US are coming down on the Island and those arrogant Americans try to take over the investigation their way. So I think a lot of the Dutch took automatically the side of the van der Sloots.
In The Netherlands it was not a big news item as it was in the US, so a lot of details which were shown last night in the Peter R. de Vries show were new for most of us.
After seeing the show last night I can’t make any other conclusion then that Joran has something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. I’m not convinced that he killed her because I think that the theory of an overdoses drank and drugs is also a good possibility.
It seems to me that Paul has a part in it also by helping his son to bury Natalee and making up the first story that all three of the boys told the first time. In this story were a lot of small particular details that only a person that has experience with this type of investigations or cases can come up with.
Peter R. de Vries is a investigator with a good reputation in The Netherlands. He helped to solve many cases witch the police couldn’t solve. So it’s a good thing that he picked up this case and maybe last night show woke up The Dutch government in The Hague.
Mr De vries should also check out the rackett club, I am sure you have to sign in and out of that. What about the rumour that Joran was not even at school the day after?
Pauless where are Jorans shoes? How much money did you withdraw and for what?
Helly everyone,
From the start, I was very upset by the way the investigation in the Holloway-case was done. After the airing of the show last night in the Netherlands, two leading newspapers (Telegraaf and Algemeen Dagblad) have published articles that are critical on the whole investigation. A lot of upset reactions are given too on the papers’ websites:
Telegraaf article: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/54297081/_Onderzoek_zaak_Holloway_gefrustreerd_.html
AD article:
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article847686.ece
On this website, it’s easy to copy paste dutch and translate into english:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
make sure to select English to Dutch and then press translate…
I want to state that there is a large group of people that does not trust the government, police and judicial system on Aruba. I feel that after the airing of Peter R de Vries yesterday, the whole case may be resolved soon. De Vries has a really good reputation in solving ‘cold’ cases and bringing murderers to justice.
The part in which Joran was confronted was very nice too.
I hope this documentary is shown in the US too, because it will show you that the Dutch want this case resolved too and are on the side of the Holloway family.
Michael Vos
Leiden – Netherlands
Helly everyone,
From the start, I was very upset by the way the investigation in the Holloway-case was done. After the airing of the show last night in the Netherlands, two leading newspapers (Telegraaf and Algemeen Dagblad) have published articles that are critical on the whole investigation. A lot of upset reactions are given too on the papers’ websites:
Telegraaf article: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/54297081/_Onderzoek_zaak_Holloway_gefrustreerd_.html
AD article:
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article847686.ece
On this website, it’s easy to copy paste dutch and translate into english:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
make sure to select English to Dutch and then press translate…
I want to state that there is a large group of people that does not trust the government, police and judicial system on Aruba. I feel that after the airing of Peter R de Vries yesterday, the whole case may be resolved soon. De Vries has a really good reputation in solving ‘cold’ cases and bringing murderers to justice.
The part in which Joran was confronted was very interesting.
I hope this documentary is shown in the US too (subtitled), because it will show you that the Dutch want this case resolved too and are on the side of the Holloway family.
Michael Vos
Leiden – Netherlands
Michael
Thanks for the info it is good to see that alot of people want justice for Natalee Holloway.
Thanks for posting
THere is nothing new in the dutch news program.
ALE has the same information. The prosecutor, refuses to go forward with a case that they have had since last January.
The problem rests inside the system, less about corruption than lack of confidence and political power
What kind of shoes does Joran have on the photo with the girls bike?
Pauless why do you let him go around with those shoes?
135 (Michael) and 137 (Michael Vos)
Welcome to Scared Monkeys and thanks for posting!
Please continue to post your thoughts and ideas of how to bring resolution to this case.
Peter R. De Vries has done a very good thing. May justice come soon.
Points I want to make about the overdose possibility:
Many Americans believe that if there was an overdose, it was due to a
date-rape drug.
Please note that Joran did not call 911 for help.
He did something wrong and did not want anyone to see Natalee or her body.
Most likely there was evidence of wrongdoing (drugs/marks from struggle/DNA).
Joran did not try to help Natalee. He tried to cover his tracks.
Hey Mikey…. I’m personally glad that the Dutch seem to be showing some interest BUT OD/drugs…..that would be like trying to put Devries face on Dompig’s body..That fat pig has no credibility because of his participation in a cover-up and not to mention a few pre-meditated acts of his own….I pray Dompig didn’t hand the paint brush over to Devries iot lessen charges against the sloots.
A MESSAGE TO PAULUS::::: This is third time you or your punk kid has intimated that you’ve had info to give but at a later date…. The caveat I’m reading this time is there are people that would be hurt or words to that effect… That is a BS lie… You don’t have to tell us what they did….Just what you, your stand-up son, and his two weasle friends did.
Here a translation of a comment in newspaper AD (Algemeen Dagblad):
Eerst waren er twijfels, maar na gisteren is joran van de sloot schuldig met pa en ma ook erbij.
als je onschuldig ben dan praat je gewoon, want je hebt niks te verbergen.
Go P. R de Vries – Rotterdam – 27/11/06 – 19:08:20
First there were doubts, but after yesterday Joran v.d. Sloot is guilty with dad and ma as well. If your innocent you’ll just talk cause you have nothing to hide. Go Peter.
When Dave Holloway met with Pauless, do anyone recall what Pauless said in reference to doing anything for his son
(joran)? Why wouldn’t he let Joran have the books that Dave wanted to give to Joran?
Up standing Judge/judge in training.
Some other interesting remarks were made about Joran’s (earlier) behaviour.
- He was a regular at the bar, even during weekdays (although he was a high school student);
- Was kind of a ‘swinger’ with the girls and had lots of sexual relationships;
- Was envolved in some physical aggression incidents – he threw some drug addict down a bridge, without a good reason for doing that.
another article by the Courant – http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=2144
- had been seeing a shrink in the past…
How do I email the moderator? Thanks.
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SM: Depends upon what your question is. The easiest way to get ahold of Red or Tom is to you the email link on the front page here..it’s on the right hand side (email Red, email Tom). I don’t have a public email address. (klaasend)
Mortella says:
Far more scrutiny has been placed on the victim and her family than the suspects in this sham of an investigation. Dompig said he had the right to investigate the possibility that Beth was conducting an insurance scam.
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Yes. Also, it’s funny you mention that Dompig was
looking in the direction of an insurance scam.
I was reading all of the Simian logs over the weekend.
Simian was all about looking in the direction
of insurance scams too. (at first)
Either insurance scams happen frequently on
that island, or Dompig and Simian are closer
than we think?
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It does my heart good to see many Dutch want this
solved too!
Justice 4 Natalee
Yo Paulus… KONICHIWAH ace-hole! You and
Joran are two BOOBIES, and the best part
is… you are finally going to be caught
in a BOOBIE TRAP OF YOUR OWN MAKING!
http://tinyurl.com/pgu86
-J4N
Why is the main suspect and his father getting to decide when the truth comes out?!
TRAVESTY!
#135….what connections did Natalee have? Her mother is a speech theropist and her father a Insurance agent…doesn’t sound like connections to me.
No question. Just wanted to share something. Thank you!
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SM:Â Then it would be best to use the link on the front page and email Red (klaasend)
Done. Thanks again!
Justice4Natalee, i have wondered since last night about the interaction of GHB and cocaine. one is a stimulant, the other a depressant. joran was unlikely to know about any cocaine, but as the administeref of GHB, he would have known about that….
Koens’ lil brother said Joran threw a choler off a bridge when the choler was lookin for a smoke.
Didn’t Jorans attorney say Joran was a model citizen, with lots of community service? What kind of community service
volunteer or court ordered?
Do model citizens abuse drug addicts?
Dagboek van maandag 27 november
“Joran van der Sloot is ziek”. Uiteindelijk is deze uitspraak van een van zijn beste vrienden de kern van de hele uitzending van gisteravond, van Peter de Vries, over de zaak Natalee Holloway. Ik vind het overtuigend. Ik dacht eerst ook dat een normale jongen van zeventien die je aan strenge politieverhoren onderwerpt, wel door zal slaan. Maar Joran is niet zo normaal. Ik had destijds ook al wat twijfels bij die rare website van hem, maar dat hij en zijn vader zo doortrapt zouden zijn als ze nu werden afgeschilderd kon ik toen nog niet bevroeden. Wel vreemd dat al die Amerikaanse verslaggevers niks zinnigs boven water wisten te krijgen, hoe professioneel zijn die Amerikaanse journalisten eigenlijk? Of hebben ze hier alleen hun sensatiepoot voor laten uitrukken?
Ik ben ook erg benieuwd wat Revu-collega Zvetzana, die bezig is met een boek over de affaire, van de uitzending vindt. Zij heeft veel contact gehad met de familie Van der Sloot. Ik heb haar inmiddels even gebeld en uiteraard heeft ze met veel interesse gekeken, maar ze mag er niks over zeggen, van de uitgever. Off the record hebben we nog wel wat gebabbeld, dat blijft uiteraard onder de pet. Haar boek komt in april uit. Foto rechts: de gemanipuleerde foto die Joran van zichzelf en Natalee liet maken en waaruit zou moeten blijken dat hij bij Natalee thuis is geweest.
This comment was published today on:http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/
One of the best crime journalist of the netherlands.
He also announced that there will be soon a book published (by zvetzana) about The Holloway case.
#152…
This is a quote from a Dutch newspaper a year ago:
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/74664/index.html
“Hoewel Riley naar eigen zeggen veel steun voor zijn plan krijgt van de inwoners van Alabama, is er ook weerstand. Critici vragen zich af of Riley hetzelfde zou doen als het om een willekeurige ‘andere’ verdwijning zou gaan. De stiefvader van Natalee Holloway is steenrijk en heeft banden met president George W. Bush. De zaak krijgt vooral in Amerika al vanaf het begin veel aandacht.”
“Although Riley say to own much support for its plan get of the inhabitants of Alabama, there is also capacitance. Critici wonder themselves if Riley will do the same as it’s a random ‘ other ‘ disappearance. The step-father of Natalee Holloway is very rich and has links with president George W. Bush. The matter gets especially in America already much attention from the beginning.”
Michael,
I don’t doubt you at all, maybe just your source
I don’t think Jugg is what most would call very rich, but I must admit I have no idea what his income is. As for him having links with the President…That sounds fishy also, if he did something tells me that the state department would have been all over this case and applying pressure on the Aruban Government..Is this Riley considered a reliable source?
As for attention on this case…alot of missing person cases get plenty of attention here. I think when you have a case of a young women with everything to live for just vanishing out of thin air and the last 3 people to be seen with her lying their asses off that attracts alot of attention and rightly so.
I don’t believe Natalee used cocaine the night she vanished! It just doesn’t fit her character. Natalee has a good reputation. Shame on Aruba!! They messed up big time! I hope the Dutch will help Natalee’s family find out what happened to her.
Mike (#159)
The continued interest after a year and a half in the Natalee Holloway case is not because an 18 years old American girl went missing under suspicious circumstances on foreign soil. People go missing every day …..
The reason that this case has receive so much media attention and the victim’s family cannot let it go …. is because the investigation into her disappearance is perceived to have been corrupted as a result of conflicts of interest. It appears that an agenda has been established by the “powers that be” to distance their own from being implicated in the events that encompass that fateful morning.
In other words …. Natalee Holloway is being denied justice and … Joran and Pauls are not being held accountable and …. there are those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who must be afforded all the credit.
Janet
Paulus Van der Sloot
http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm
http://www.novatv.nl/novaplayer/player.html?id=rep-3540-0
June 28, 2005
Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors’ office that ordered your detention?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes.
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?
Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?
Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.
Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes
Full credit and acknowledgment for this translation goes to Jacob, who posts under the nickname, “dugo” on the Natalee Holloway chat on http://www.riehlworldview.com. Formatted and displayed for readability by scrux.com.
Ben King
http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001.ew/topstory.html
Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence.
Gerold Dompig
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1730#more-1730
Reporter: Okay, let me ask you about the search of Joran Van der Sloot house. Apparently this kid lived in an apartment that was connected to or sort of adjacent to his parents house.
Dompig: That is correct
Reporter: And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?
Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.
Reporter: But what about after Paul Van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?
Dompig: It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that. The judge was coming from another island I must point out. He said we didn’t make a good enough case to get a warrant.
Mike,
This article is about Rob riley, the governor of Alabama. The article tells that he asks the rest of the US governors to boycott Aruba to apply pressure on the government. At that time most Dutch didn’t know what we know now, how messed up the investigation was on Aruba. We only knew that an American girl was missing and that a Dutch boy and his father maybe had something to do with it. So boycotting an Island because a girl is missing on it seems like an extreme measure and was not understood by a lot of Dutch people I think. I was irritated myself by the intervention and pressure of the Americans. But like I said I didn’t know then what I know now.
#155
to mojo:
Let us not forget the admission by Joran that he
insisted that Natalee take his favorite shot at CnC’s
just at closing time: 151 Rum (LACED WITH GHB)
AND It Just So Happened He Lied And Told Natalee That
They Had To Go To The Other Side of CnC’s To Take The Shot ?
LET’S ALSO NOT FORGET…
Paulus googled the dangers of alcohol and drugs
This Action All But Confirms My Theory That Natalee
Died From Suffocation As Described Below While
Being Gang-Raped – The Pigs Probably Did Not
Even Notice At The Time – But Their DNA
Was Already On Her – Sending Them Into Panic Mode
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Mixing GHB with alcohol can result in the overdose reaction of temporarily unarousable sleep. GHB may dangerously depress breathing at high doses or when used in combination with alcohol At higher overdoses, GHB can produce both unconsciousness and vomiting which can be a very dangerous combination. Vomiting while unconscious can result in aspiration of the vomit into the lungs and suffocation
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The Dutch police are sending a ‘cold case’ team to Aruba soon. I think this team should focus on de Van der Sloot family and their residence.
Also, the team should focus on fact finding, without being interfered. So what if they find out that it was a high level Aruba cover up operation. So what if they find out that Natalee was experimenting with alcohol and drugs. The team should find out what happened, and who is responsible.
They should not care about reputations…just getting all the facts out there should be there business.
nychic — that would indeed explain it. i don’t take devries’ mention of the cocaine lightly, however, and allow for the possibility. having said that, it does seem out of character for what we know of natalee.
let’s just hope he cracks it!
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/
It’s bedtime in Holland (00.48h); have a nice day over there.
Well we know now that joran downloaded and watched porn movies for 2 hours that night. For a kid that had exams the next day what the hell was he watching porn until the sun came out?? He had to be wacked out on drugs that night..But then again he didnt even show up at the bar until 12:30AM
The question is where was Natalee?? I have a hard time beleaving joran would watch porn after natalee had just passed. So she had to be with him or he left her with some very bad company. I am inclined to beleave natalee was with joran as we know ben king was on top of the ALE the day they came to search for evidence. He even answered the door to make everyone aware that the search was a serious issue. Paulus called out the one guy who owed the sloots the most. We also know paulus was surfing the web the next day about drugs. So something bad happened before the afternoon the next day.
This would all make alot more sense if the K2 brothers dropped them at the sloot house. But the 4am pickup by paulus or another friend also makes sense. We know natalee was there at some point so are the kalpoes still lying about where the drop off spot was??
“Your own father” Unbeleavable!!…–Deepak Kalpoe
“I liked and thats the truth”–Joran Van der sloot
This was an interview with Nadira on Dr. Phil last September, 2005. She blew her own son’s timeline, then wanted the tape back when she found out what she did. Deepak said he was on the internet 2-3 in his statement.
Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil’s investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish’s mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she’d said from being aired on Dr. Phil.
For the interview, Nadira sits face-to-face with the two investigators.
“I want to bring you up to the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared,” an investigator begins. “What time did you get home that night?”
“Twelve. After twelve,” Nadira says.
What time do you think they got in?”
“I assess that it was not four in the morning,” she says. “It’s, like, before three or maybe three o’clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come they just close my door. And that’s the sign that they are home.”
“Once Deepak and Satish got back, they had been arrested. They told you about not telling the truth about the Holiday Inn,” the investigator probes.
Nadira responds, “Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes.”
Dr. Phil turns to Natalee’s mother, Beth, and asks what she has heard that she finds significant.
Beth says, “Something that surprises me is how she says, ‘They lie. We all lie.’ I can’t imagine her just saying that on television. And then also she’s destroying their alibi herself. She’s saying that they were not home at 3 am.”
Dr. Phil agrees. “I mean the whole position that they’ve taken and they’ve lied about this before they’ve said, ‘OK, it was 2:00 in the morning’ that they were home everything was done. They had dropped her back at the hotel and gone. Then later they said, ‘well, no that’s not right. We dropped her with Joran at the beach.’” He turns to Jamie Skeeters. “Clearly, their own mother could not confirm their lies and that’s why she wanted this interview back after the fact she realized what she had done. Correct?”
“That’s correct,” Jamie confirms. “She’s tried everything that she could do with advice on her attorney, Angelina and others trying to get the tapes back.
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/575/
#135. Michael
and we wanted an honest investigation and we wanted the family treated kindly by authorities in Aruba. So far, that hasn’t happened.
The attitude that you describe, a rich American girl from a family with connections wanting to run the investigation their way – arrogant Americans – that’s the excuse Aruba has used for not investigating this case honestly and for lying to the family and the U.S. media. We’re not all arrogant
Thank you Michael and all other Dutch posters for sharing your thoughts!
Molly: Post # 67. Cocaine is a drug for the high class. Many intelligent people do take cocaine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cocaine
So…
This Porn Was Downloaded On The Family Computer ?
Because According To Anita – Everyone Used The
Same Computer Located In The Main House ?
That Is The Biggest Bunch of Horse-$hit That Has
Ever Come Out of That Woman’s Mouth !
People download movies and music all the time and
they usually set it up to download while they are away because it takes so long -
If anyone actually believes that Joran did not have a computer in his apt. – they are just as insane as Anita – Joran’s computer was wiped clean immediately –
you can all bet on that one as being a sure thing !
More than likely handed down to baby Sloot – you know -
the one whose room Anita would not allow ANYONE TO ENTER -
And Paulus bought Jipshit a brand new laptop for school
the minute they let his ass out of jail !
(complete with porn already loaded on it)
This was Anita’s comments, she even says they searched twice including the house, garden and pool. She also says they have one computer with no lock, so they can keep track of what the kids are looking(SURE!) She says it was taken and Paulus’s laptop. She also goes on to say Joran don’t drink or smoke. Who does she think she is fooling with all that bs?! I too, in no way, believe Natalee was a girls gone wild type. Natalee was the opposite of everything they are.
A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There’s no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran’s room on my desk. And I just had a field trip with middle-schoolers and I took pictures of a sand sculpturing project that we were doing because I’m an art teacher and there were like maybe 20, 25 pictures on it and I told the police, listen, this is material I want to use for school but for the rest there’s nothing on it. You can look at it but they took that too.
They took all kind of things from Joran, a little kind of an MP3 player. They took tapes, also a tape of his tennis, college tennis camp. And the second time they took – they did a house searching, the garden, the pool. They took the two cars.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you gotten any of that material back?
A. VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: They still have it?
A. VAN DER SLOOT: They still have it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know why they took even your computer or your husband’s laptop?
A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, we have no clue.
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Joran is a very outgoing person. He’s a sweetheart. To me, he’s very warm. We spend Easter vacation in Florida together to visit his school, and we had a lot of fun together, went to Busch Gardens (search), and he was getting me cups of coffee and making jokes. He’s very outgoing, loving, caring, fights with his brothers all the time, but I think that’s pretty normal. We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school, but once he’s there, he’s doing great. He got picked up on the morning of his graduation. He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I’m a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you’re used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You’re so alert. And I think you’re even more alert with your own children.
I dont think natalee had any idea that she had to protect her drink or even worse that the nice dutch boy would have drugged her. We know natalee would have never used cocaine and she never had time on her trip. This is the set up to blame for her own demise. Dont you think joran would have told the world that natalee was using coke that night??
Everything I have heard on this case leads me to beleave that Joran dropped her off after drugging and raping her. Or she was at the house still comatose when joran went to school that next day. He was bragging about her the next day at school and that is not something a murderer would do.. So he is either a cold blooded killer or he didnt know for sure what happened to her until after school. Nobody wants to beleave that she was murdered and discarded like she was worthless. Was natalee alive when paulus was searching for help on the internet?? Either way paulus is up to his eyeballs in her dissapearance.
**However that blood in the vehicle was not from a OD**This leads us all to beleave that something more sinister happened and this was not just a OD.
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img004.gif
Shot of 151??
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img005.gif
Yelling out the window aruba??”Out of body gig” like walking into someones car and not realizing what you were doing??
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img011.gif
Not able to defend yourself??
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img015.gif
In and out of consciousess like joran describes as he abuses her?
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img016.gif
http://www.projectghb.org/while_sleeping/img017.gif
Did natalee ever get the chance to wake up when the drugs wore off?
Maggie -
Wonder Why Anita Swears The Main House Was Searched ?
Dompig and Janssen Both Say This Did Not Happen
Due To The Judge Not Approving The Search ?
And Of Course Paulus Would Surrender His Laptop
Used For Work Only – All The Incriminating Things
Were On Joran’s Computer – And Who Says It Was Joran
Downloading Porn ? With Anita In Holland – Paulus
Was More Than Likely Adding A Few To His Collection -
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And By The Way -
There Were Alot of Cryptic Posts Here At SM In June ’05
One Of Which Stated:
“The MO For Disposing of A Body In Aruba Is To
Hide It On Your Own Property”
Joran is living in a student house in Zevenaar, near to Arnhem, The Netherlands. He don’t speak to the press, has to hide something in my opinion.
here is another one of those cryptic posts:
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Uhm up until now there hasn’t been any more person detained.Maybe that was a news mixup.Today Mr Lejuez (not sure who he is representing)adressed a local radio with some other facts.Or potential facts may I say.
Supposedly Joran van der Sloot was crying in his cell where he is held. And he started talking to Jones(one of the security Guards who is also still held).He said that he thinks that the Kalpoe bro’s might be up to something.HE added that it seemed as if they are trying to make it seem like he killed Ms Holloway.So he decided to “confess”.He said that the Kalpoe brothers dropped him off FIRST.At the goobyes he exchanged email information with Ms Holloway and then he got out of the car.Came monday , they decided to tell the police that all 3 of them dropped Ms NAtalee , and invented the entire 2 security guard story.
My question: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ? Now you want to “confess” again? And without telling a reason WHY the 3 of you had decided to come up with a story?
You’re all guilty..this is guilty behavior.
But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)… Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do. That is how much i know of this ‘rumor’. This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can’t even think straight ,so they confess to this. I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It’s utter and completely wrong. May god rest Natalee’s soul..
Posted by: AuA82 at June 13, 2005 04:44 PM
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I think anyone who has to look at porn is a very sick person. These people are the same types who have sex out in the open in front of strangers. Joran is that type of person.Anyone who would have sex on the beach in front of strangers is one very sick puppy.
#176
Maarten:
Do you live there as well ? Or Even In The Area ?
If Yes, Can You Get A Message To Him ?
There Is Something That I Have Been Wanting
To Say To Him For A Long Time…
In conclusion.. We know deepak was cleaning his car out at like 3am that morning. He admits it but says he had ants in his car. What was in that car that he had to clean it at 3am? Did natalee go to the sloots at 4am or did she arrive at 1:30am?
Sounds to me like something bad had already happened. We all are leaning towards natalee being at the sloots. He told the dutch reporter he had sex with her there and they all said they drove to the sloots after picking up natalee. So that had to be right after C&C and something bad happened at the house within 2hours after the bar. The kalpoes dropped off a injured natalee and joran and then cleaned out the car. Joran was picked up shortly after at 4am.
That time is the key question!! Was natalee still comatose as joran watched porn at the house or did they just dispose of her?
We see now that dennis jacobs called joran evil. So maybee that explains how someone could watch porn for hours after something bad happened. Then go into school the next day and brag about having sex with natalee. Even the next day while being confronted by nats family he still acted like he did nothing wrong. However both sloot parents look like they carry a lot of guilt. I guess they will do anything for there son.
Wish he would “ride across Texas” on that dumb bicycle…..see how far he would get.
Saw the whole show sunday…Pretty good..even if it was just a summary of what we already knew. It’s the first decent attempt to put it all on mainstream tv. The last time opsporing verzocht did it, they made it look as if joran & co were just witnesses rather than suspects. This time around it was good.
I didn’t know though that Joran had paid someone 200euro’s to photoshop pics of him and natalee to pretend as if they already knew eachother. They showed the email and the account hakers_rule@
and when peter asked paulus on the phone, paulus also said the ”we have more information but will bring it out when the time is right, that is when she is found or in such a case” speech. same thing joran said on 60 minutes was it?
etc etc…pretty good show and there seems to be a part 2 this week according to me…
will keep an eye out.
Aren’t these people pathetic? They all know more and will tell sometime. It’s been 18 months and family and friends have been looking for their daughter and worrying about where she was taken to and all they keep saying is they know more. What, are they going to wait until 10 years from now to tell?! They know more, what did they get more police files and have a new revised story made up now?! I agree Paulus knows more, he should, he was there. He failed as a judge and he failed as father and a man. Is he going to talk about when the father, family sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn lie?! Paulus knows more, wonder if he’s forgotten that too by now, since he has convenient amnesia from time to time. Maybe he can explain why Deepak is cleaning his car before daylight for ants, and or sand. Take your pick.
If anyone had any questions about how sick Joran is, that picture should answer it for them. Pay someone 200 euros to photoshop your pictures into one of Natalee’s when she was in Alabama as if he knew her before. The whole family is twisted.
The cocaine reference in the evidence file is DumPigs last desparate attempt to bring closer to the case. He got dumped on after the Dutch destroyed and covered-up all the obvious evidence, then Dumpig was the stooge put in charge to ‘make the case’. I’m sure the Jacobs, VanDerSludges (both) got a giggle watching poor DumPig trying to bring closer to the case. His last desparate stab was to bring closure in what is so common in Aruba — the drug connection.
The coke reference is nothing more than more planted evidence by the ALE.
Natalee was an honor roll student with a full ride scholarship to a major University majoring in Medicine. Active in church, school and community projects.
No history of drugs, yet they’d have us believe that on the few short days the perfect child was on Aruba, she was openly snorting coke lines and offering her friends drugs.
Please, this is right out of the DumPig file trying to blame the victim knowing he can’t over trump the Dutch that hold sway on the island.
Crioyo
Glad to see you posting. Let us know if we miss anything.
It would be nice if they posted a video link with english subtitles.
Interesting NYChiC, I had never read that before.
Houston,Is that why O.J. doesn’t go to Texas?
NyChiC ~ I agree about the search,, I believe the show last night said only Joran’s apartment was searched. The judge wouldn’t allow any other searches. I also remember Dompig saying they weren’t allowed any searches except Joran’s apartment. When Tim Miller went there to ask to search, Paulus got crappy with him and wouldn’t let him. If these people truly had nothing to do with Natalee’s fate, they would be letting people search anywhere and everywhere and go out of their way to provide info and help search and the investigation because if they were truly innocent, that would clear all of them. They have done the opposite.
Don’t Worry (kel)mac -
A Little Buckshot In Joran’s Ass Will Only Hurt A Little !
and how many times do I have to tell you ?
this is about Natalee – NOT OJ !:)
If Anyone Has Not Seen Joran’s Pathetic Attempt
To PhotoShop Himself Into Natalee’s Pic -
Check It Out:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=587
“I dont think natalee had any idea that she had to protect her drink or even worse that the nice dutch boy would have drugged her. We know natalee would have never used cocaine and she never had time on her trip.”
So, let me get this right – there is a statement from a student saying Natalee was doing coke, but no proof of a roofie, yet you believe the roofie and not the coke? Ok…
and mac – saying anyone that has to look at porn is sick is a pretty wacky statement. It’s a 10+ billion dollar a year industry. And that’s probably low.
[...] Tonight at 10:00 PM EDT Greta Van Susteren will be interviewing Peter de Vries and Beth Twitty regarding the recent de Vries show. [...]
#182 agreed…They knew that this dutch reporter was gonna ask some of the questions that needed to be asked. Not the soft restrictive image enhancing questions like he did on american tv.
Joran and the kalpoes refused to speak to Mr DeVries and Anita called the police and everyone else to make sure that he didnt get to talk to anyone. Certainly doesnt look like innocent people as they claim. I guess they have been questioned in over a year and that may make them uncomftorable.
It appears paulus knows what happened but doesnt want to tell us just yet. Or he said that to make sure everyone kept there mouth shut as he will tell there part and it will hurt them. Either way he is admitting he knows alot more but doesnt want to tell us.
(Rotterdam ) Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
yoyo -
There is NO PROOF of the student’s statement either !
Unless you can post something not one person here
or anywhere else has ever seen ?
I guess you could photoshop something ?
nychic – sure there is. When the statement was made that DeVries guy had the statements in his hand. Could have been “for the cameras”, so to speak, so who really knows.
Didn’t see anything about PVDS in the casino though – thought that was interesting and possibly telling…
yoyo, Yes porn is a billion dollar industry but I think the only ones who buy it are sicko’s. I’m sure most people agree. What do you say nychic? Is porn and having sex on the beach in front of other people sick?
Joran is going down, his own lawyer needed to speak to prosecuter to clear conscience,,,,
NH never made it to the beach, just like the posters here and RWV said from the beginning….Joran’s multiple stories not holding up…..Satish picked me up, no Deepack picked me up, No I walked home, no I lost my shoes, No my dad came, I don’t remember….
Joran is lying…..Satish and Deepak, now is the time to come forward and tell the truth…
Anita, you are a mother, you need to come forward and tell what you know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Did anyone find out exactly what porn was being watched that nite by Joran? Has anyone seen what he was watching? That could be pivotal as far as what could have happened that nite. Was it a gang rape porn or worse?
Thank you Mr. De Vries, you have added wind to the sails of the Natalee Holloway case.
yoyo -
There will be a Part 2 of the DeVries show – so I will
stay tuned to hear the rest of the story -
He never really clarified whether or not it was a student
or a witness statement ? I am willing to bet this was
info fueled by Renfro – to Boeti and planted carefully into the master files of JTaco -
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(kel)mac -
this is a free country – if you are an adult – you have
the opportunity to make choices – as long as it does not
hurt another person or break the law -
I have said all along that I do not believe Joran has sex on
the beach ever – too sandy – locals do it elsewhere -
only crazy tourists might try it — once !
Saw Beth on Greta tonight and she looked so nice, she did mention scaredmonkey.com again during the interview. The story adds yet another chapter with Sloot’s OWN LAWYER, so troubled with the truth about Joran that he seeks Caren Jansen to discuss it.
What if the porn was an upload instead of a download?
Anythings possible with these Van Der Sweats!
Yes Miss U!
Peter profiling Natalee’s case is an answer to our prayers!
He was talking with Greta by phone for quite a while & i’m going to email him & thank him for his help!
Nychic, are we in another stupid conversation with !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joran just made up the beach story because he was stupid enough to think it was a good idea and would cover his butt.
I never heard of the island MO, but it surely explains why Paulus wouldn’t let anyone search his property. Ha, and Anita? She said that they searched the whole property when she really meant that the judge friend searched the property to make sure there was no evidence left to be seen.
molly (in Houston)
#198
I know one site joran was on and that was bangbus.com It is most likely the site he was downloading porn from. But who actually saw what he was watching? Well you would have to ask Deepak,Satish or most importantly his friend who stayed over that night.(Freddy)
Joran had to be the one doing coke or extasy to stay up all night on a exam day. If computer records show 2 hours of watching and dl porn..and that was after he said he got home at 3.30-4am?He ad to be high as kite to be up that late watching porn.
Deepak and Satish stated that when they went to pick Joran up at his appt. to go to CnCs, “Joran was in his room printing out homework”. So that tells me Joran has/had a computer in his appt not just the one in the main house.
Joran and Paulus will probably tell all once their corrupt Judge friend releases them all as suspects in the case, or the 2yrs mark closes the case for lack of evidence.
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Does Anyone Wonder Why The Sloots Are Not Being
Investigated By Child Welfare For Having Porn
On The Family Computer ??? Anita Really Stuck Her
Foot In Her Mouth By Saying That All The Kids Use
That Same Computer ====
The Same One With Porn Downloaded On It !
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yes molly (in Houston)-
can you just picture this:
johnm-kelmal-gretamal-(kel)mac
just foaming at the mouth reading – trying to think of
another name – when all of his posts are deleted by klaas ??
it’s almost as funny as when I get to tell him to ESAD !
WTH did Jipshit think of inserting himself into a pic of Natalee in a New Years past??
That pic (without Jipshit) is posted at his zorpia page for months.
i smell desperation!
Early on Peter de Vries name came up as the man who could bust this case wide open. They were right and he is going to do it. First he will show the corruption and those accountable will be exposed. Peter is the man for justice.
Justice for Natallee Holloway. For Joran an 8 x 8 cell, time on his hands, and a roomate named Bubba. Merry Christmas Joran you will eventually get what you deserve.
Beth!
Just want to tell you how good it was to see you again & that we love ya!
haha – mac/what ever your name is – dude you got busted. Your question to nychic made it very obvious. You’re weird.
People surf bangbus.com to get the free 2min clips, not subscribing and downloading. Surfin’ the internet for porn works like this for a 17yr old – they find sites where they get the most free clips, they check it out and either stay or find another. And bangbus has more than enough clips to keep a 17yr old occupied for 2hrs.
LOL i just saw the Joran on a tryke tryin to outrun the tanks! Priceless!
Mayan,
Could you post a link for his email address, I would also like to thank him.
TIA
Aruba Peter is hot on the trail…..you can run but you can’t hide.
#191
YoYo, why do you persist in attempts to anger posters?
I’d suggest we simply ignore these kind of posts when a person is only looking for reaction.
As for porn being a 10 billion dollar a year industry, so is the illegal drug industry and human slave-trade in some countries. Also, do not forget child porn is part of the “porn industry”. The amount of $$ any industry manages to create doesn’t give it a bit of credibility for me.
Sick is a mild term for a porn addict. I am so tired of people who act as if the world would end without the ability to have their overactive sexual fantasies satisfied at the cost of others. Those men, women, and children in those movies are destroying themselves from the inside out..selling their bodies and not realizing their souls are going along with it. No one will convince me in this life it is truly fullfilling in any way. If anything, it has the opposite effect.
Ever hear the statement “the next high is really the next low”? It is. The drunk needs more to drink, the smoker more to smoke, the drug addict more to get that same high, the sex addict needs more and more to satisfy…no need to go on. It is the result of unhappy people trying in vain to fill an empty feeling they cannot understand. Maybe they do not have love, or a religion/God, low self-esteem. Comes in many forms.
Brenda
YoYo certainly is quite familiar with how to download trash from BangBus. Tell me you are not really Joran in disguise!
Brenda
June 11, 2005
CNN Saturday Morning News
http://tinyurl.com/ydv83g
“CNN has learned a suspect has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway.”
NGUYEN: Up first this hour, CNN has learned that one of three suspects in the Natalee Holloway disappearance has confessed to killing her.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It would seem so, Betty, although police at this stage are playing their cards very close to their chest because of the extreme sensitivity of this case for the island. But shortly before midnight, a senior police officer told CNN that one of the three suspects detained on Thursday had made a confession to the killing of Natalee Holloway. He didn’t say which of the three suspects had made that confession.
You’ll remember that on Thursday three young men, one 17 years old and two brothers aged 18 and 21, were arrested by police. And their homes were searched, a car was taken away as evidence, along with computer equipment and some other items.
Now, the prime minister of the island has said that he, so far, has not been informed of any confession. At the same time, he says that those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations. As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments, as he has told us — Betty.
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NGUYEN: And what about the search for Natalee? Now that we have this confession, any indication as to whether this will lead to a search to find Natalee or her remains?
PENHAUL: There had been suggestions even as early as last night a search could get under way to look for possible remains of Natalee Holloway. The prime minister and also police officials then said that the search would not take place last night, but they did say that in the early morning, investigators would continue doing their job. They said that included the question of searching for further evidence, including possible remains — Betty.
NGUYEN: Now, does that cause a question in your mind? Because we have a confession, but now you’re saying there’s no search in any particular area. Is that because maybe this confession doesn’t detail where Natalee may be?
PENHAUL: We have no further details of the confession, the detail of the confession or the depth of the confession. One must remember that Aruba’s police force, while they pursue this investigation very thoroughly, very enthusiastically, it is, nevertheless, a small police force, and we don’t know if they are equipped to carry out this type of search during nighttime hours. And that could be a reason why up until now most search operations here on the island during Natalee’s disappearance have been conducted during daytime hours — Betty.
1. On June 11, 2005, CNN was reporting a direct quote from a polis official who informed CNN that shortly before midnight, one of the three suspects had CONFESSED to KILLING Natalee Holloway.
That puts to rest the ” she was experimenting with drugs and alcohol lie”, along with the “she od/she used cocaine lie”, and calls to question WHO drugged Natalee, and WHO murdered her? WHO made the confession to KILLING HER and WHERE is this June 10th, CONFESSION?
2. Homes of suspects were searched ( all except Joran and Paulus’ living quarters…?). A car was seized and computer equipment and “some other items” were seized. Where is the evidence collected? Is it with the blood that was transformed into chocolate?
3. According to Neslon Oduber, only those most imtimately involved with the case from the ALE, would be able to give confirmation that a CONFESSION had been made by one of the suspects.
“…those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations. As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments, as he has told us…”
Therefore, this confirms that not only was a confession indeed made, since the authoritative source of the release of this information came from “a senior police officer” but Oduber further confirms the validity of this information since “As part of the separation of political powers here, the prime minister, although broadly kept up to date with the pace of investigations, would not be kept up with minute-by-minute developments,” … which would therefore put to rest the other lie that this confession was now, suddenly a “misinformation campaign”.
If the only credible sources able to confirm that a confession was indeed made – would have to come from an authoritative source that was ” those able to make statements about this issue are those directly carrying out the investigations”, and the source of the confession came from a senior police official directly involved with the carrying out of the investigations, then HOW did the confession become “mis-information” ?
WHO TURNED JORAN’S CONFESSION INTO MISINFORMATION?
If Nelson Oduber confirmed that only those “directly involved” with carrying out the investigation could have verified that a confession was made, and this indeed is what took place, then WHO decided to take the CONFESSION, destroy this evidence and then create another twisted lie to tell the public that this was all just a ‘misinformation’ campaign?
WHO TURNED THE CONFESSION INTO A “MIS-INFORMATION CAMPAIGN”?
4. How did polis go to the lighthouse location the very next day, after the confession was made, without the suspect’s inclusion of this location in his confession as the site where he buried Natalee’s body?
5. Since the suspect had to have included the location of WHERE he had buried Natalee, then WHAT was the real reason for waiting and not immediately going to the lighthouse location on June 10th, after Joran’s confession?
Was the reason for waiting, to allow for assurances that Natalee’s body would once again be successfully moved and not found as in: “NO BODY, NO CASE”?
NGUYEN: “And what about the search for Natalee? Now that we have this confession, any indication as to whether this will lead to a search to find Natalee or her remains?
PENHAUL: There had been suggestions even as early as last night a search could get under way to look for possible remains of Natalee Holloway. The prime minister and also police officials then said that the search would not take place last night, but they did say that in the early morning, investigators would continue doing their job..”
Why did the polis need to wait and delay, in order to search for Natalee’s remains? The prime minister and polis both said that the search would NOT take place “last night”. Why? What was the reason for the WAIT?
NGUYEN: “Now, does that cause a question in your mind? Because we have a confession, but now you’re saying there’s no search in any particular area. Is that because maybe this confession doesn’t detail where Natalee may be…”
Clearly, the ALE did know WHERE to look, as they took off for the lighthouse on June 11, 2005. But they didn’t go on June 10th, after Joran’s confession.
Yes, this does cause a BIG QUESTION to surface in our minds.
CNN’s journalist, Penhaul had stated that:
“One must remember that Aruba’s police force, while they pursue this investigation very thoroughly, very enthusiastically, it is, nevertheless, a small police force, and we don’t know if they are equipped to carry out this type of search during nighttime hours.”
Yet, we now know that despite Aruba being fully aware of its limitations in size and resources, they vehemently prevented the U.S. FBI from gaining any direct involvement in searching and investigating this case. FBI divers were never used in any water searches. In fact, they never set foot in the water. Other agents walked out of “interrogations” in disgust with what they were witnessing going on.
In fact, Jan Van der Straaten and Karen Janssen both declared that they did not need help from the FBI.
If the issue was truly about the ALE”s size and resourse capacity, wouldn’t they have availed themselves of the resources they had right there at their fingertips — the expertise of FBI men and women, who were right there, ready and willing to offer their expertise and assistance?
Since the ALE did not avail themselves of the FBI as a rich resource to use in recovering Natalee’s body after the June 10th confession of Joran, then the size of the ALE and its “limitations” had nothing to do with why Natalee’s body was not immediately recovered following Joran’s confession.
Why then did the ALE yet find another reason to DELAY ?
Perhaps the reason for why the ALE took no action to recover Natalee’s body after Joran’s June 10th confession had to do with the insightful comments by Penhaul, which were further verified through Oduber’s own direct statements concerning what impact that the kidnapping, gang rape, murder and bodily theft and desecration of Natalee Holloway — a young, innocent honor roll student /tourist would have on Aruba’s tourism and Aruba’s image: ” …police at this stage are playing their cards very close to their chest because of the extreme sensitivity of this case for the island…”
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.
206: LOL, nychic. You got that right!
molly (in Houston)
BrendaT #214, Very good post. Anyone, and I mean anyone who watches this or worse paticipates in porn are very,very sick people. If you are one who does this, PLEASE get help.
I think we should start a campaign to send marshmallows to Aruba:
inluding but not limited to the ALE, ATA, Justice Minister, Prime Minister, media disinformation division etc. isn’t that what they roast in hell?
Viet Vet
I wish you could post more but I know you can’t. But I wish you would
My god, how many mistakes can they possibly make?! Aren’t we supposed to be even more alert if we’re investigating such a horrible case! I feel bad to tell you that I’m from The Netherlands, and I can tell you that I haven’t really regret that before! I really hope that Peter R. de Vries will solve this case…He did that many times before, and I honestly believe that he’s a smart and good guy. i’m trying to stay up to date about this case, because I feel sorry for this poor girl. Nathalee, rest in peace…
#217, Viet Vet… we know they lied to you and that these devils went so far as to assult this innocent child in death, even as they tormented and tortured her in the final moments of her life.
Please know Viet Vet, that we are with you.
We are standing by your side.
You are not alone in this battle, and neither shall this child be left all alone so long as all of us stand together by her side and honor her truth and her story.
For all the lies you were told, for all the perverse insidious attempts to thwart Beth’s search for her precious child, for all the laches twisting of the integrity of the law and the perverted conduct on the part of those entrusted with the public’s trust, for all the lascivious perverse cruelty hurled upon this child in the final moments of her life, as well as in the horrific suffering inflicted upon her and her family in her death, for the heartless cruelty her family suffered, as well as all those who tried to help her – please know, Viet Vet that we are standing by your side, and we will stand by this child’s side and honor her good name, her radiant reputation, and the clarity and vibrant truth of her voice and her story.
You are not alone, Viet Vet. Beth is not alone.
Dave is not alone.
And Natalee is not alone.
We stand with you as we stand with her.
We did not choose her; she chose each one of us to carry her truth,
to honor her cries for justice.
This child summons all of us together to stand up for the rights of children to be SEEN, to be NAMED, to be HONORED, to be REMEMBERED, to be treated with DIGNITY AND RESPECT, and to have the integrity of the law uphold her right – and the rights of every young girl to have the sanctity of their human rights honored and upheld.
Natalee Holloway was kidnapped, raped and murdered and the nation of Aruba sanctioned these horrific crimes against Natalee’s human rights,… a tourist – who was a child.
And rather than hold those responsible for these horrific crimes committed against this child and all the violations of her human rights, Aruba instead chose to honor the killers, and villify the INNOCENT VICTIM.
We will not abandon this child.
We will stand by her side and honor her cries for truth and justice!
Rise up and let your voices be heard!
Rise up and cry out the name of Natalee Holloway, and her right to have her truth told and her justice delivered.
We will stand by this child’s side, Viet Vet and we will stand by Beth’s side, your side, this family’s side, until this child’s truth is honored, her name is dignified with the honor and integrity of her truth, and her justice is finally delivered.
Natalee wanted to come home.
Her packed bags tell us that she longed to see her family once again, and that she enthusiastically was joyfully looking forward to seeing her mother and father one more time.
Natalee was robbed of her family, her siblings, her mother, her father, a life of dreams, hopes and promises…
We honor Natalee through our voices gathered here together, in crying out for her justice, in crying out for her truth to be told!
We honor this child by standing together by her side.
We will not abandon this child.
We will stand by her side…
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Maybe Peter Devries can make sense of the sayings all those clues dropped by “whats his name” Mentioned in Dave’s book.
Remember all the speculation about porn, crime, Florida, Mansur, bangbus, all road lead to……”
My head is starting to spin just thinking about all the stuff that is going to get churned up again.
Advice to Deepak and Satish—-get moving to a confession. First ones to roll over will get more favorable treatment and less jail time. Drop a dime boys, and get on the phone.
Justice for Natalee.
I have to say that this “talk” of late could just be another set up for the public. I remember last Sep-2005. There was talk of witness’, etc, but then nothing and the boys were released from jail.
Now we have all this talk again and the suspects go back to court in two days and honestly, they could be released all together.
Wishful thinking to hope that this case is going to spill open, but a haunting voice says, maybe not.
So Jipshit wouldn’t meet with Peter, wouldn’t even answer the door to him?~ What was the exchange they had when Peter knocked at Jipshit’s door in Holland? Jip was saying something.
Ya know that answer Jip gave “thats the million dollar question” to the question of where is Natalee? is a striking answer….is it not? amazing those were the words he chose.
The reporter Karl Penhaul(sp?) was my favourite.
Hey does Jossy write spicey editorials regarding this case anymore?
I don’t know to where all roads lead, but when it comes to the truth of Natalee Holloway’s final moments on this earth, it seems that it’s not too hard to figure out where all the lies lead:
For starters… http://tinyurl.com/yazq2f
KING: Karl Penhaul, what are THEY saying there in Aruba about her conduct that night?
PENHAUL: The details that we’ve heard so far about her conduct, Larry, ARE BASED ON from what we understand, TWO witness statements LODGED in the dossier, presented against the first two suspects. Those TWO witness statements are FROM TWO OF THE MEN arrested yesterday (J2K arrested on June 9, 2005), who have NOW BECOME the THREE other suspects.
And what we understand from THEIR STATEMENTS, is that THEY SAY there was some fondling and kissing in the car after the group left the Carlos ‘N Charlie’s Mexican Bar,.. ”
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Oh, and here are more roads leading to more lies that… WHO twisted, distorted, generated about Natalee?
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JORDAN: Larry, Stacey is not only right about that, but focus on that tainted period when the three young men were originally detained and then freed. THEY HAD A LOT OF TIME, not only if there was evidence to try TO COVER IT UP,but to also GET THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT and to get them in sync, which may have worked to the detriment of the two security guards, who were caught by surprise.
THEY LET THESE GUYS GO (J2K). They let them get their stories together. THEY LET THEM CLEAN UP THE CAR. That never should have happened. That was the last place she was seen, and they let them drive off. This is unbelievable.
KING: Karl Penhaul, could someone logically have stopped her from getting in the car?
PENHAUL: “I don’t think so, Larry, because from WHAT POLICE HAVE TOLD US, Natalee Holloway knew the youngest of these three suspects arrested yesterday from at least the previous day. POLICE HAVE SAID THAT Joran Van Der Sloot and Natalee Holloway met in the casino of the Holiday Inn. They were friends. And so they decided that they would get in the car together. Natalee said good-bye to some of her friends. Some of her friends later said when they saw her in the car, “why don’t you get out and come home with us,” she says, “no, thanks, I’m going with these guys.”
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That’s strange. You mean, the POLICE never told CNN reporters that BETH TWITTY, and her family had personally informed police that it was completely OUT OF CHARACTER for Natalee to go in a car “with” 3 strange men?
THE POLIS NEVER TOLD THE CNN REPORTERS ABOUT THE MEN WHO WERE ASSAULTING NATALEE AT C&C BEFORE MAY 29th AND HOW NATALEE PUSHED ONE OF THEM AWAY, TWICE?
THE POLIS NEVER TOLD CNN ABOUT THOSE FRIENDS – THE REAL FRIENDS OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY WHO THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT ABOUT HER AS SHE EXITED C&C…ABOUT HOW SHE STATED THAT SHE WAS GOING BACK TO HER HOTEL WITH MOUNTAIN BROOK FRIENDS? WHY DID THE POLIS NOT TELL THE CNN REPORTERS ABOUT THIS?
Where did the POLICE get the impression that Natalee “chose” to go “with” Joran Van der SLoot?
DID THE ALE INTERVIEW NATALEE TO GET THIS “IMPRESSION” ?
Here it is June 10th, 2005, the ALE knew by May 31 that Joran and Deepak had lied about “dropping her off at the Holiday Inn”, and yet, the same POLICE are now telling CNN reporters that Natalee was “friends” with Joran – and saying this on June 10th?
Did POLICE speak with Natalee to determine Joran’s “version” of what took place and HOW Natalee ended up being taken away by Joran, Deepak and Satish in their car – in light of Natalee’s mother’s statement that her daughter would NEVER go with three strange men?
How do the ALE POLICE explain their portrayal of Joran as a “friend” to Natalee (on June 10), while knowing full well (on May 31) that Joran and Deepak had lied to Beth Twitty when they told her on May 31 that they had dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn hotel?
DO ARUBAN “FRIENDS” LIE TO POLICE ABOUT WHAT THEY DID TO MISSING YOUNG AMERICAN TOURIST GIRLS?
WHY WERE THE ALE POLIS SO EAGER TO PORTRAY NATALEE AS “WILLING” and “FRIEND of Joran’s” TO CNN REPORTERS, WHEN NATALEE WAS SEEN BEING TAKEN AWAY IN A CAR BY JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH – YET THE SAME POLIS NEVER TOLD CNN OF THE STUDENTS WHO STATED THAT NATALEE CALLED OUT TO HER FRIENDS THAT SHE WAS GOING BACK TO THE HOTEL, YET NEVER ARRIVED THERE, AND THAT JORAN AND DEEPAK HAD LIED ON MAY 31st, ABOUT DROPPING HER OFF?
WHY DID THE DATE RAPE DRUG (GIVEN THE THREE GIRLS WHO CAME FORWARD CLAIMING THEY TOO WERE DRUGGED AND RAPED), NEVER GET MENTIONED?
WHY DID THE POLIS FAIL TO INFORM CNN THAT JORAN AND DEEPAK’S VERSION OF “WE DROPPED HER OFF AT THE HOLIDAY INN” WAS PROVEN FALSE IMMEDIATELY BY HOTEL SECURITY TAPES THAT BETH HAD SEEN,AND THAT POLIS WERE AWARE OF JORAN AND DEEPAK’S MAY 31 LIE, AND THAT NATALEE WAS NEVER SEEN ENTERING THE HOTEL LOBBY AS CLAIMED BY THE THREE MEN WHO TOOK NATALEE AWAY?
WHY DIDN”T THE POLIS TELL THE CNN REPORTERS THAT NATALEE HAD CALLED OUT TO HER FRIENDS SOMETHING TO THE AFFECT THAT: “THEY ARE TAKING ME BACK TO THE HOTEL”…YET, HOTEL SURVEILLANCE TAPES PROVED THEY NEVER DID?
WHY DIDN”T POLIS TELL CNN REPORTERS THAT JORAN AND DEEPAK LIED, AND THAT THEY NEVER DROPPED NATALEE OFF AT ALL?
WHO WERE THE POLIS PROTECTING?
Clearly, it wasn’t Natalee, nor was it the two innocent security guards being scapegoated and wrongfully detained.
Karen Janssen says that it was a “tactical” decision to not arrest Joran, Deepak and Satish.
Indeed, it appears that this was truly a tactical decision.
It was a tactical decision that appears to have been orchestrated to benefit kidnappers, rapists, killers and co-conspirators, while also having the cruel inhumane affect of re-victimizing the victim and her family over and over again.
Sure glad most of you are catching what’s “wrong” with the drugs and alcohol story. I don’t care how much they say Natalee was drinking that day, the day before or all week. We have two facts that refute her being “drunk”:
1. Our own eyes see Natalee walking into the Casino, sober as a judge somewhere between 6:00 pm and 7:00pm. So what she drank earlier in the day, the day before, or all three days makes no difference.
2. Everyone agrees that Natalee was dancing 1/2 hour before she left C&C. Deepak and Joran tell various stories from her being drunk, being tipsy, to being fine. Drunk people don’t dance. And should they try, it would be apparent to all around them that they were drunk because they would be falling into others, etc.
The cocaine use, I don’t believe either. Why? Because the story first showed up at a convenient time and from a very suspicious witness. Now I understand that kids of that age, even good kids, try drugs at times – but it’s hard for me to believe that Natalee would buy drugs in a 3rd world country and there were no reports of this until the ALE started the mis-information campaign against Natalee and Beth. Even Joran says (in at least one of his many stories) to Greta that Natalee was not in possession or using Cocaine. So why does the story continue on? Even if it were true, I do not believe it caused her death.
Is there a transcript from the Peter R.DeVries Show about what was said about Natalee?
#230
Over here in The Netherlands there was a research recently that 20% of the kids of 15 and 16 years old have experience with Cocaine. In the age from 17 and above it is even a bigger percentage. I don’t think that in the US that numbers shall that different.
It’s becoming an accepted party drug under the youth. Most of them shall do it without their parents or friends knowing about this. On Aruba Cocaine is very easy to get and is very cheap. I don’t say that NH did Cocaine but her good reputation doesn’t mean anything because a lot of parents would be shocked if they find out what there sons or daughters are really doing out there.
And the Reason that Joran says she had no coke on her could be that he has give it to her. If you go out all night and come home 3 in the morning you should be real tired I think and not have the energy to go on the internet till 4:30 except you had some cocaine.
#230, kata, you are entirely right, young lady.
dennisintn
Natalee was partying…it was her trip with friends to Aruba…so she drank got drunk the night before….
Reports of her “drinking all day & Night”…. she could not have been guzzling down drinks all day and night and be able to conduct herself in a normal way, like walking, talking, dancing…etc.
She probably walked around all day from 10am on with a drink “in her hand”… this might have been interpreted as a cool thing to do (recently, being of drinking age)…not drinking one drink after another non stop…
The casino film does not show her swaggering around the casino or tilted leaning up against anyone at the gambling table….
So I would not say she was in a “constant” drunk stuppor…Lets not go that far. So she got drunk one night so what!!
Now they want to add to the story line that she “probably was also snorting cocaine”…. Why speculate and say that when it is not a stated fact!!
Lets not continue to victimize the victim… Joran,Satish, Deepak, Paulus, friends of Pauls & Joran, you are the criminals the guilty ones who played “your roles” in killing Natalee, getting rid of her, and covering up evidence to this crime… You should be afraid of God…for vengeance is His…
I’m from the Netherlands. First I saw the show of Peter R. de Vries, see #27.
Now Peter R. de Vries was interviewed on TV by Robert Jensen, he is the ‘Dutch David Letterman’ with a a lot of Dutch viewers. Jensen also had Beth Twitty live on the phone.
Jensen asked Peter R. de Vries: “What do you think happend?”
And de Vries had this very good anwear. He said: “I just have a very long list of facts and the facts speak for themselves”. I think this kind of media attention in The Netherlands is very good for this case.
He also said: “I was only on Aruba for a few days with one other person and I have all this information, I wonder what happens if The Netherlands are sending a whole team for a few weeks…”
A friend of mine is living in Arnhem near Zevenaar, the place where Joran is living, and she said to me that it’s the talk of the day over there.
Just want to share…
ab
ab
Thanks for posting. Keep us posted, especially if you
hear anything from your Arnhem friend. Question…can the Netherlands encumber any money from Joran’s book deal until this case goes to trial? I would hate to see him profit from this situation. Why do you think he made those photoshopped pictures?? TIA
Peter R. de Vries said that he made those pictures because he is playing a game or he likes to play games and go very far in doing it. One of the two brothers also said: “Joran is a very sick person”.
Joran is feeling very sure about the fact that nobody will solve the case. So he stupidly make himself suspicious.
I was very objective in the last 2 posts but if you ask my personal opinion about the case from a person from the netherlands; “Why act so stupid and suspicious if you are totally innocent?”
Peter R. de Vries said in the Jensen interview: “The only thing we need to solve this case is a little bit of luck on our side and it’s really going to happen.”
About the book: Where do you spend your money from the book sales if you are in jail soon?
ab
Thanks ab
There was a hearing in Aruba today to release all three from suspect status. That seems unbelievable to us. Has there been any word up your way about this situation??
Why would they not make them wait, at least, the two year point?? That whole island is twisted (IMO).
Greetings everybody!~
Hey ab!
Thank you so much for your insight & comments about about Joran & public opinion there! It really means the world to so many you’re doing this! Everyone here will tell you that for us….it isn’t all just about Natalee, its about other young girls too & not wanting them to suffer the same fate as Natalee. Its about not wanting another family to go through this nightmare. I could thank you a million times & it wouldn’t be enough!
[...] The Dutch police are supposed to be looking at the Natalee Holloway case as a cold case. Peter de Vries just recently did a rather controversial TV show in Holland regarding Natalee’s disappearance. Now the defense wants all suspects removed from the list? Draw your own conclusions. [...]
[...] This show has made a huge impact in Holland, United States, Antilles and Aruba, because no one was aware of the alleged non formal conversation between van der Sloot’s lawyer and the main prosecutor Janssen, to indicate to the prosecutor that Joran knows much more than he has declared to authorities. [...]
[...] I gave indications to the criminal defense lawyer in the U.S., Tacopina, that if he continues his campaign to offend, slander and defame, he is going to get the surprises of his life when the truth of his client’s participation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway becomes known. And it is coming out at a much faster pace than I expected, thanks to DIARIO and lately De Vries, who’se popular program in Holland made revelations that had remained hidden and have now come out into the light. Tacopina at once wanted to belittle him with a string of lies about his program and, worse yet, about the man himself. A ’street style’ that will not prosper! [...]
…..the bike’ picture w/ Joran has always reminded me of PeeWee Hermon on his…lol.
I am still hoping for some peace and justice for Natalee’s family and friend!! My heart goes out to all of them.
I am from Holland Myself…Peter r de vries is a legend in his one country, its interresting to see how he staks up against Dr.Phill and Oprah on a investigation on international level.
[...] Holloway and hounded prime suspect Joran Van der Sloot has retired. DeVries did yeoman work investigating the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. DeVries was also Joran Van der Sloot’s worst nightmare, other than Beth Holloway, [...]