Arubans Brace Yourself … New Shopping Mall Near Hotel Resorts … Could this be the Beginning of All-Inclusives?


Could this be the beginning of the end for the normal tourism way of life on Aruba? Not for Allinclusivestourists, we are referring to the Aruban people and shop owners. The new shopping mall Paseo Herencia to be built near the Holiday Inn will draw tourists away from the shops of down town Oranjestad. Is this the beginning of an “all-inclusive” look to Aruba to separate the tourists from the Aruba people in an attempt to bring safety to tourists? People do find safety in “all-inclusive” thus the reason why Jamaica is so popular. (All-inclusive would be defined as a separate property that only guests would be allowed).

The local shop owners in Aruba are not happy. Why would they be? Tourists will be funneled away from locally owned shops to the high end ones near their hotels rather than downtown. What does one think will happen to the downtown area? It will turn into a ghost town.

However, if this is an attempt to separate tourists from the nonsense that goes on in bars like Carlos n’ Charlies Aruba is making another colossal mistake. The Cafà © Bahia is supposed to move into the new mall. Mark our words … if the same conduct that local Aruban boys do at these night clubs is brought to a club that is in the heart of the tourism area, you will have problems beyond your wildest dreams. Tourists stay close to their hotels because they want to feel safe and secure. They do not do this so that they have to worry about the exact problem as to why Natalee Holloway is missing. Aruba, you do realize that you are one tourist altercation away from being Haiti.

What ever the case … removing business from the downtown area to the tourist areas would appear to be the first step in the creation of “all-inclusive” resorts. In our opinion, after bringing justice for Natalee Holloway this would have to be the next logical step in order to attract tourism. Aruba has to show and prove to the tourists that they care about safety. Perception is everything and Aruba must prove to all that they are serious about safety and the investigation of crimes.

Amigoe: “New shopping mall a threat for the city.” 

  The new shopping mall Paseo Herencia, across from the Holiday Inn, will open its doors in February next year. It will house fifty shops, six movie theaters, and various bars and restaurants.

ORANJESTAD – The new shopping mall Paseo Herencia will definitely lead to a drop in sales in the inner city, says Audrey Croes-Lacle,  president of Mambo, the shop owners’ union of Caya Betico Croes. After its completion in February 2007, the paseo will house some fifty shops and restaurants. The popular Cafà © Bahia is moving to the new location, and many shops from the central business district are opening second stores inside the mall.

Paseo Herencia is comprised of eight buildings constructed around a central courtyard with a fountain and swimming pool. In a few weeks the project developers, Heritage Development, will celebrate when they finish setting the highest point on the movie theater complex, which will hold six theaters. Expectations are that the parking garage, the first on Aruba, will be finished in January. The garage is three stories high and offers space for over 300 cars. The women’s synchronized swim team will practice in the swimming pool, which will also be used for other shows. Furthermore the project developer wants to use the courtyard to organize activities throughout the year, like concerts, poetry and writing presentations, and kids’ activities. 

Expectations are that Paseo Herencia will attract tourists from the big hotels located across the street from the shopping mall, as well as residents from Palm Beach to Westpunt. According to Mambo president Croes-Lacle the ramifications of the mall for Oranjestad will therefore be unusually severe. “Paseo will become a real hot-spot. Not only the shopkeepers in the Caya Betico Croes will notice their sales dropping, but every shopping center and store in the inner city.” 

Croes-Lacle is the owner of Maggies and has decided to open a branch in the new shopping mall as well. She doesn’t rule out that the new branch might eventually become more important than the one on Mainstreet. “The entire central business district is dealing with three problems that keep getting worse. It’s unreachable due to the traffic; there aren’t enough parking spots; and we have a lot of nuisance from the homeless. In the long run I’m not ruling out the possibility of downsizing the Maggies in the Caya Betico Croes.” 

The popular bar and dancing spot Cafà © Bahia has already decided to move their business to the Paseo Herencia. A number of other businesses, like Iguana Joe’s Caribbean Bar & Grill, currently located downtown, are opening second branches in the new shopping mall. Croes-Lacle finds it logical that other businesses will also leave the town center. “As a shop owner I also don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of the government sitting down with us to work on the downtown’s problems together, they’re sitting back on their own island.” 

As president of the shop owners’ union Mambo, she would really like to speak with the government about Oranjestad’s business district, and what type of roll it will have in the future. “Let’s get the private and public sectors together and start brainstorming. I think, for example, that we need to take a new direction with the downtown area. It needs to be more oriented towards entertainment, and not just shopping.” Croes-Lacle mentions the Monument Bureau’s plans for a walking tour along the historic buildings. Another example is moving the market stalls selling souvenirs along the harbor. “That’s not working anyway. It would be better if they made a new square for this type of business in the Caya Betico Croes, in the lot where the burned out shop La Linda was. Then you’ll get tourists back on Mainstreet and it will provide a better atmosphere.”

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    133 Responses to “Arubans Brace Yourself … New Shopping Mall Near Hotel Resorts … Could this be the Beginning of All-Inclusives?”

    1. Miss-Underestimated on October 5th, 2006 12:21 pm

      Croes-Lacle finds it logical that other businesses will also leave the town center. “As a shop owner I also don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of the government sitting down with us to work on the downtown’s problems together, they’re sitting back on their own island.”

      Read that last sentence. Now they may know what Beth and family went thru, why wouldn’t they (ALE) sit down with Beth and work on the problem of finding Natalee?

      Aruba won’t even listen to their own people who are paying for the goverment.

      That Aruba, what a piece of work.
      Keep perfuming that pig(S)

    2. Richard on October 5th, 2006 12:23 pm

      Does this suggest that the Mafia lords think the anti-online gambling bill actually has teeth, and that they are looking for new places to put their cash?

      Maybe they’re going to tout this as a great tax loss … after all, with the tourists gone, who’s going to be buying anything at this shopping center?

      Guaranteed bad investment … which might be just the thing for those who need to create a tax loss on paper.

    3. Richard on October 5th, 2006 12:24 pm

      By the way, who goes to a shopping center for that kind of dance club?

    4. JusticeforNatalee on October 5th, 2006 12:42 pm

      Keep the local boys out of the mall bars and put a camera directly on the

      Still–you have to give JUSTICE to NATALEE.

      Even a new mall won’t get you past Natalee.

    5. robots on October 5th, 2006 12:48 pm

      Aruba Blows

    6. vicki on October 5th, 2006 1:09 pm

      Come on now, is this how they plan on saving their Island? The sad thing is they just dont get it. If you cant give us Natalee back because she is long gone, then at least admit your horrible error in judgement, apolize to the family formally and lets solve this and arrest the perps. Until then this Island will be going to hell in a hand bag.
      You will never prosper until then… PAY ATTENTION LIERUBA.

    7. kw on October 5th, 2006 1:40 pm

      I feel the urge to quit my job and become a proprietor in this new fabulous mall… open a little DNA & Fingerprint ID Boutique.

    8. dennisintn on October 5th, 2006 1:48 pm

      within 6 months of the mall’s opening, downtown oranjestad will be a ghosttown. it happened here where i live and in every town where a large mall was built. downtown is now, after a decade of decline and a devastating tornado, making a comback but practically none of the original stores are there now. the building owners were the hardest hit, they still had to pay taxes and maintenance costs on empty buildings.

    9. Scared Monkeys on October 5th, 2006 1:52 pm

      For those of you misguided individuals that think Aruba already has all-inclusives … think again and try and rid yourself of your hateful, myopic attitude.

      All-inclusives not in the sense of a payment plan for a vacation … all-inclusives in the sense that they are off-limit properties much like the area of Baby Beach was for decades.

      We are referring to Aruba resembling Jamaica. No one allowed on the properties but guests.

    10. GretaMAL on October 5th, 2006 1:58 pm

      Jamaica has to do that with over 1,600 murders so far this year.


      SM:Â   Jamaica has a population of approx 2.6m compared with approx 100k for Aruba. (klaasend)

    11. JusticeforNatalee on October 5th, 2006 2:01 pm

      Smart Plan To Reclaim American Tourism:


    12. mayan_moons on October 5th, 2006 2:26 pm

      For a vacation island whose incredible stupidity in handling or NOT handling the Natalee Holloway case the smartest thing they could ever do is prevent their own criminal elected officials & children from setting foot on tourist areas.

    13. para2legal on October 5th, 2006 2:31 pm

      Hey KW – my shop’s going next to yours: The Build A Kit Shoppe. Personalized GHB detector kits. Each kit comes with 25 GHB instant detector test strips. Additional strips sold in lots of 10. I’m also going to be selling a large array of add-ons at very reasonable prices: pepper spray, police whistles, working cell phones.

    14. dancinbare on October 5th, 2006 2:37 pm

      I agree.The resorts are tourits only,but if you are Dutch,are you a local,an overlord,or a tourist.the scam worked so well because the i am a tourist from amsterdam,just like you.well planned,well played until the unexpected.i will drink jamacan coffee,but not go there.i will not go go to any dutch island until justice for Natalee and Amy,plus an end to this reign of terror.The Dutch and Aruban adults have a duty to protect their guests,under the concept of hospitalty.Dancingbare

    15. robots on October 5th, 2006 2:57 pm

      incredible that the HAG karin whats her face the prosecutor -wannnnna be dumb IGIT does not even talk to Beth or her lawyer, real nice, yea real NICE

      hey where is the SCUM of the EARTH JOE TACOSPINNNA MASTER
      these days???

      huh, where are you JOE ???
      youre a scum bucket,,, sue me

    16. dennisintn on October 5th, 2006 3:01 pm

      #7, kw, i think you may have the hit of the decade. instant i.d. of who you’re with, and you might as well do drug tests for daterape drugs while you’re at it.

    17. GretaMAL on October 5th, 2006 3:26 pm

      klass, So Aruba has 7 murders per 100,000 people.
      Jamaica has 61 murders per 100,000 people.
      Boycott Aruba, Jamaica, and ALL cruises.
      We have to warn ALL Americans of these DANGERS.

    18. Scared Monkeys on October 5th, 2006 3:50 pm

      The point gretamal is that all-inclusive properties give the impression and safety comfort to tourists that they look for. Those that visit Jamaica know not to leave the resort.

      The crimes generally happen in town … is Aruba moving in that direction


    19. Miss-Underestimated on October 5th, 2006 3:56 pm

      A self-admission: Aruba is not safe for tourists.

    20. GretaMAL on October 5th, 2006 3:57 pm

      They should.But why would ANYONE go to Aruba or Jamaica if they are scared to leave the resort ????

    21. robots on October 5th, 2006 3:58 pm

      Here is ARUBA we RAPE, Kill

      next up, JOE the LOAD Tacopina.

    22. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 3:58 pm

      Wow, 1600 died in Jamaica?

      Too bad k-tel – greta’s greatest hits
      swingin’ to the John M good
      time Motown oldies
      wasn’t one of them!!!

      Say Kel, feel like a Red Stripe?

      Come down pon Jamaica way, mon!!!!!!!!

      B E E R R R R. ;)


    23. AYFIT on October 5th, 2006 4:13 pm

      They can build whatever they wish,won’t prosper,too many termites.Who cares anyway.To hell with this place.Aruba will always be a bad word to me and everyone I can impress.

    24. linda on October 5th, 2006 4:16 pm

      Gretamal I have to agree with you..why would you to go on vacation to an Carribean Island..and be locked up the whole time in a stupid all inclusive hotel!!!
      Aruba is safe still have a nice vacation..I don’t see why after Natalee suddenly everything has to change so dramaticly..I know what they did to Natalee was horrible..but still crime is really low here..comparing to Curacao..Jamaica..It would be different if the tourist are really unsafe here..but thats not the issue least not yet..

    25. linda on October 5th, 2006 4:19 pm

      By the way..they are building three new malls..the one next to the holiday inn is probably the first to open..there wil be a FRIDAYS.there..also a subways..dunkin donuts.and more American franchises..American bussiness peeps don’t seem to really care about what happened to long as they make money…

    26. JusticeforNatalee on October 5th, 2006 4:33 pm

      Here’s the ALL INCLUSIVE that Aruba needs to offer:

      We will punish ALL the perps for ALL the crimes against Natalee and we will INCLUDE ALL the evidence.

    27. dennisintn on October 5th, 2006 4:35 pm

      linda, what happened to natalee could have happened anywhere in the world. including her hometown library. it’s the way the a.l.e. and aruban govt. and business community have treated the case and treated beth and family in general that is completely screwed up. beth and the family have never had anything but good things to say about the general population of aruba. it’s the cover-up, official lies, and bashing of the victim and her family that has driven the hard feelings towards the island. this boycott is the only way the family has of maybe forcing the govt. and a.l.e. to find natalee and prosecute her assailants.

    28. GretaMAL on October 5th, 2006 4:37 pm

      crape, I have had many Red Stripe. Good Beer Mon.
      Linda, I agree. who would want to stay locked up at their resort the whole week. You are told NOT to leave or you might be killed. NOT ME !!!

    29. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 4:39 pm

      ARUBA is now as appealing to me as snail flavored bubble gum.

      Not solely for the reason that Natalee was murdered, raped,
      and disposed of by the gangraping murderous lying Kalpoes
      and Van der Sloots.


      the real thing that eats at me worse every day was the
      total disrespect and lack of anything resembling empathy
      for the family of the victim.

      I will do all I can to stop
      all those that I care about
      from going to ARUBA for years
      in to the future over this.

      To me, it is a war. What they
      did to Natalee and her family
      was a crime 100 times over.

      Get ready for justice. One way
      or the other, the day is coming.
      Some say it is already here!

    30. Maggie on October 5th, 2006 4:45 pm

      It’s never been about the number of crimes anyway. It’s the lack of investigation and cover up surrounding crimes that take place. My daughter goes missing and the last people she is seen with lie repeatedly, you can bet they will be my number one suspects of knowing what happened to her, NOT 2 black guys who have no clue who she is.

    31. sandy leiva on October 5th, 2006 4:55 pm

      ARUBA —-let it sink back into the ocean!

    32. AYFIT on October 5th, 2006 4:59 pm

      hey looney linda-suppose you were Natalee.Still think one is safe there,B.S.Suppose what happened to Natalee happened to your daughter,and all the Karen Jansens of Ashitba protected the guilty and treated you like sh–?F-Aruba!

    33. JusticeforNatalee on October 5th, 2006 5:24 pm

      Shopping mall a threat to the city?

      Aruba, you have a MUCH bigger problem on your hands.

      Your ENTIRE livelihood/tourism is at risk until you:


    34. linda on October 5th, 2006 5:33 pm


      Dennis..I’m sorry..I wasnt talking about Natalee or the boycott..I know that the family deserves Answers..don’t get me wrong..

    35. viet vet on October 5th, 2006 5:52 pm

      Well we have had the end of the beginning, when you must resort to an all inclusive Resort you are seeing the beginning of the end. Aruba is really a bridge too far for most Americans, we can go to Vegas for less and have more fun. We have pulled the plug on the kids, so Aruba will never be desirable as it once was. Anyone with walking around sense should be able to see that this is the last tactic. What a stupid way to ruin your economy, island, and life for your people.

    36. dave on October 5th, 2006 5:55 pm

      #28 Troll, you would’nt have to worry about getting killed, you’re already brain dead you waste of space.

    37. Marc on October 5th, 2006 6:33 pm

      Aruba still is one of the safest holiday destinations in the world. Despite the temporarily setback people will soon come back to enjoy their vacations here. I still prefer to live in a place where an occasional crime is mishandled (or even covered up) than to fear for my life as soon as I leave the door!
      These malls have really nothing to do with all inclusive. So far there are mostly t-shirt and souvenirs shops there, together with some bars and restaurants. All the big brands as Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Cartier, Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren, etc. are located downtown.
      Besides that, I thought Americans were always pro the “supply and demand” marketing thought. That’s part of the American dream, right? Well I went to Carlos & Charlies last weekend and despite the fact that it is low season, despite the fact that tourism went down this year and despite the fact that Natalee Holloway was last seen in this particular bar, the place was packed with Americans! If you want C & C closed, call out to your fellow Americans because they are the sole reason the place exists!
      So all the tourists are packed in the hotel area, of course somebody is going to open a mall there! Remember, supply and demand? I’m surprised it didn’t happen earlier. The shop and restaurant/bar owners downtown just have to get of their crying chair and do something about it. Renaissance Mall, downtown, has been and will be the most important mall of the island. The biggest spenders (shopping wise) are the cruise ship passengers, and these ships will not lay anchor in the high rise hotel area.
      Anybody that just can’t stop whining about how unsafe Aruba is, should polish up on their facts. We have less killings on our island in a year than let’s say …… an amish community in Pennsylvania! Well I’m happy to hear they solved it, thanks to some brilliant detective work but I am glad I wasn’t there.

    38. GRETAMAL on October 5th, 2006 6:39 pm

      dave, LOL !!!! Why are you so ANGRY ?????
      maggie #30, Exactly, Jamaica, Cruise ships, and Aruba do nothing but LIE and cover-up crimes. Claudia Kirschhock went missing in Jamaica in May of 2000. Jamaica has none nothing but cover it up and LIE to her parents. Cruise lines LIE about tourists who go overboard. They even covered-up what happened to George Smith so much that the FBI and Dr. Lee can’t solve this crime. Boycott Aruba, Jamaica, and ALL CRUISES !!

    39. IndyDan on October 5th, 2006 6:42 pm

      #14 dancinbare:
      Good point, the problem isn’t necessarily the locals that the tourists need to be isolated and protected from, it’s the Dutch predators that travel to-from Holland and roam the island freely.
      And once in a while they’ll call upon a couple of ‘locals’ to assist with the taxi scam and driving duties.
      However, all said, it’s the Dutch on Aruba that are dangerous. For example, take the raping-murdering VanDerSloot family who kidnapped and disposed of Natalee Holloway.
      Does this new plan protect tourists from the VanDerSloots?

    40. ayfit on October 5th, 2006 6:46 pm

      Linda,I see I hit a nerve,Hey my nerves are shot as well when it comes to this case or lack there of.My point is Aruba and it’s people are no better than their system as long as they don’t step up.You portray Aruba as a safe place,I certainly don’t.I will always slam Aruba as long as Beth is without justice for her loss.

    41. GRETAMAL on October 5th, 2006 7:07 pm

      Marc, Good Post. You are 100% correct. C&C is packed with Americans. HMMMMM

    42. kw on October 5th, 2006 7:13 pm

      Wow, Marc… your final assessment is rather distasteful comparison.

    43. linda on October 5th, 2006 7:17 pm

      No nerve..more a hormone..PMS this posts like yours annoy me more this week then lets say last week..anyway..I’m not here to fight..just don’t call me a loser..I have kids to and I feel really sad for don’t put me together with al those Beth haters..Cause I sure will never hate her..

    44. linda on October 5th, 2006 7:20 pm

      Last post was for ayfit.. sorry..

    45. dennisintn on October 5th, 2006 7:30 pm

      linda, i sympathize with your problems. i used to work really long hours for l week a month. guess what prompted the long hours.

    46. GRETAMAL on October 5th, 2006 7:31 pm

      linda, Don’t let them get to you. They slam ANYBODY who doesn’t agree with them. Everyone on here wanted justice but it just ain’t going to happen. Many on here agree with that too. God will take care of the scum that did this to Natalee.

    47. dennisintn on October 5th, 2006 7:31 pm

      as i’m sure you are, she was worth it.

    48. SunFreak2 on October 5th, 2006 7:44 pm

      Hey, isn’t Joran banned for life from Club Bahia? Remember the make out incident with Aline in the women’s bathroom. LOL. Whatever will Joran do? Plastic surgery couldn’t fix that goon face of his.

    49. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 7:44 pm

      Not only that Marc… IMO -
      you’re a SCREAMING idiot!!!

      Yeah, that’s it. That’s the ticket.

      Natalee Ann Holloway was temporarily
      SET BACK!

      We zany AMERICANS tend to whine often about our

      We are wacky like that!

      Your own words discredit and
      discount you greatly. A SWINE
      is what you are, am, is.


    50. Tazman on October 5th, 2006 7:51 pm

      I’d rather go to Hawaii!!

    51. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 8:06 pm

      GretaSpelunker opines:

      Marc, Good Post. ( re # 41 talking about #37 )


      Troll-Birds of a feather…
      Do drive-by postings,
      and squeeze out
      posts together!

      Stick it in your fat red ears, J-Boy
      and supporters!




      It will all catch up to you soon…

      In true murdering, raping, lying
      Kalpoe Van der Rape
      scumbag fashion…

      It will all happen so fast in a flash…

      You won’t even see it coming. Just know that it is.

      Justice 4 Natalee

    52. GRETAMAL on October 5th, 2006 8:13 pm

      taz, Great idea. If you want to be safe stay in the USA. IMO what happened to Natalee could happen on ANY island in the caribbean.

    53. IndyDan on October 5th, 2006 8:18 pm

      linda: you are one classy broad.

    54. IndyDan on October 5th, 2006 8:29 pm

      #37 marc:
      Aruba is probably very safe for retired travelers and tourists who just want to enjoy the sun, eat out 3xs a day and lose a few dollars in the casinos in the evening.
      But bring some younger group looking for the same escape, like a rite of passage going from high school to college, and the predators come out of the woodwork looking and plotting their scheme to take advantage of the opportunity.
      That’s what makes Aruba dangerous, it’s full of predators.
      And the “all inclusive” ain’t going to make it any safer.

    55. para2legal on October 5th, 2006 8:38 pm

      If your island reported all the unsolved murders no one would ever go there. There’s so much corruption it’s pathetic. Why don’t you call it what it is: Mafia Island. When’s the last time a murder was solved?
      I’m hearing “Dust in the Wind” playing in the background.

    56. linda on October 5th, 2006 8:51 pm

      Haahh husband does the same..even my kids stay away from me..hehe..terrible..

    57. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 9:42 pm

      Is it so all inclusive that they throw in
      the coffin that klass showed us last


    58. bleachedblack on October 5th, 2006 9:46 pm

      When I travel to another country, the very last thing I would EVER want to see would be a local mall…..Oh yea and second to last would be a water park…….two dumb ideas Aruba.

    59. Allan K on October 5th, 2006 9:57 pm

      Aruban logic is unable to face reality as what to do. Is is clear to everyone but them.

    60. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on October 5th, 2006 10:12 pm

      To Carpe,

      As far as I’m concerned, unless my mind is playing a very uncharacteristic trick on me, I’m seeing two bodies in the plastic bag.

      Okay, let’s say one body is Natalee. (I really don’t like that idea,). Who is the other body? If they were taken from the grave, why couldn’t they be returned to the grave, along with an additional body?

      The graves that were robbed—did they ever find the bodies? What day did that happen? Could this plastic contain those bodies, or maybe one of them?

      Isn’t the general consensus that the video is from June 10 to 13, 05 or there about, right? (Maybe I’m wrong) The graves were robbed in July 05 were they not?

      I’m really trying to see something on the bank. I’ve enlarged, shrunk, changed colors, etc. I’m working on it, but I just can’t see a thing, but I started out that way with the plastic bag. Originally, I thought I saw a beaver like animal—silly I know.

      I’ve come to the conclusion that the rock video is a major act of clean up. A slaughterhouse so to speak. I see at least 2 bodies in the videos, or at least human body parts at two separate locations. They may be from the same body.

      I’m thinking that there is some major bad stuff happening in Aruba. I think it is a regular slaughterhouse, but I don’t know where the victims are coming from. Maybe they are missing (and I presume females) from all over the world, which are bought to the island, and if it is thought that they are not cared about or that no one will miss them, then some major psychopaths on the island kill them. Some one with big bucks is paying the bill, or collecting payment for the bill.

      I think that females—particularly the young, are in danger on the island; but I think the real victims are brought in or are vacationing. The perverts then move in for some very sick and maliciously perverted pleasure.

      1906–how about some imput on these ideas.

    61. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 10:45 pm

      Hi Waterboy Jerry, sir…

      I believe the graves robbed were all ODUBER graves,
      and they were vandalized on 01-12-2006? I think this
      is accurate, or very close.

      There are multiple humans down by that pond & I am working
      on some enhancements to post here @ SM in the near future.

      Hopefully we can get a clearer picture of things in that
      BASIN video.

      In my
      opinion the activity is not good. I still can not
      say with any certainty it IS A RAPE OR A BEATING IN
      PROGRESS in 510-24 down by the water’s edge.

      I can
      only say it looks like one. Very suspicious
      activity going on in every inch of that video. IMO

    62. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2006 10:47 pm


      I will never
      forget what u
      let the murdering,
      raping, lying
      Kalpoes and Van der Sloots
      do to Natalee Holloway.

      A Portrait Of Aruban Beauty For You

      Justice 4 Natalee.

    63. Marc on October 5th, 2006 11:18 pm

      #42 KW It is not a comparison. But was there anything you could do to prevent this from happening? Was there anything you could about the fact that Karr is going to be released? The answer is no! You and your country are victim of two very disturbed minds and in one case it is clear that there are some flaws in your legal system. That is exactly what happened on Aruba.

      #54 @ Indydan
      Look, I am reacting on this post and not specifically on the Natalee Holloway case. Do you really think that what you described happened so often, now or in the last let’s say 10 years? I must say that the ALE, of which you all feel they are a bunch of dumb donkeys, has done a hell of a job to keep that under the rock. I can assure you that sensation papers as for instance Diario would have jumped right on top of that and this would be exposed immediately! On Scared Monkeys they use almost every piece of Aruban news in a Natalee Holloway related thing (even the opening of a new mall in the high rise hotel area), don’t you think they would come up with something like that if it really would happen? Everyone who feels that the Natalee Holloway case was hindered, mishandled or covered up is entitled to have that opinion. But to call Aruba unsafe because of one missing person case and the few other crimes committed in the last 10 years, come on! You must be scared to leave your house over there!

      Carpe… you have some serious problems, how many keyboards a week do you crash with that filthy typing of yours?

    64. compananzi on October 5th, 2006 11:56 pm

      Well, it sure looks like after a year, the knee jerk reaction of Aruba and Natalee still is alive and kicking. I still think that guns don’t kill people, but people kill people. Yes Im one of those in the camp that don’t believe an entire island conspired against the dissapearance of one young lady Natalee. Yes, and I do also believe that Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran did not cause 9/11..but that is just me. If I may be blasphemous or brazen to say that that I blame directly the dissapearance of Natalee to all chaparones and all the school friends of Natalee for not doing anything.

    65. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 12:34 am


      Quite a few, I use multiple laptops. ;)

      FILTH is in the the eye of the beholder, man…

      After reading your propaganda laden posts…

      If I disgusted you in some way, I wear that
      like a badge of honor!


      Drive Aruba in to the in to the dirt people! -J4N-


      They need to be taught a very valuable long-lasting
      lesson 4 what they’ve allowed the murdering,
      raping Van der Sloots and
      Kalpoes to get away with.

      They are bold and arrogant -IMO- like Marc’s

      This upsets me and fuels me to act
      as an Aruban anti-tourist agent in my spare
      time. I do it completely free and on a volunteer
      type basis. Many people do this now, and
      more and more each day. Believe it or not,
      some people are just finding out about Natalee’s

      AS MR. T’s new reality show on TVLAND says…


      I pity the fool that travels to Aruba these days!

      I will do —all I can— to help sink
      that island in direct retributition
      for the crimes enacted on
      the Holloway family.

      I do it with a fiery passion.
      Some call it revenge. Whatever.

      I call it … Justice for a fellow American
      of mine…


    66. hammer on October 6th, 2006 12:46 am


      Companazi: Perhaps one of the most illiterate and illogical FP posts of ALL TIME on this thread.

      The disastrous and disrespectful treatment of the HT family during the search for their daughter on Aruba is A MATTER OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. You cannot deny this. The inhuman treatment afforded the HT family by ALE and public authorities on Aruba is UNDENIABLE.

      Your illogical references to US War policy related to Afghanistan is off point and makes no sense.

      Where are the elected leaders of Aruba who can adequately address the incompetent management of the Natalee Holloway case? It is also a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that Nelson Oduber acknowledged to Beth Twitty that “mistakes were made” during the earliest days of the investigation.

      Where are the consequences?


    67. mayan_moons on October 6th, 2006 12:53 am

      Wow these people are criminally drugging people who drink at their establishments & come here & say its safe to vacation there.

    68. Maggie on October 6th, 2006 12:55 am

      Get out the boots.. Yes, lets blame the victims… Let’s turn all the criminals loose, after all if the victims weren’t doing what they were doing, they would be alive.. Let the criminals go free. Turn them all loose.

      Natalee was of age to go out and drink in Aruba with her friends. Joran was underage drinking and gambling that night along with the next night. He’s been drinking since he was 12 or 13. Takes a case of beer to get him drunk. Try blaming the creeps,, and the ones who don’t enforce the laws to prevent him even being in the places underage.

    69. Maggie on October 6th, 2006 1:08 am

      PS;. this isn’t about crimes in Jamaica,,it’s about Aruba.. and Natalee Holloway. I lied because I didn’t want anyone to know I left her on the beach.. good reason to lie about your shoe size, all kinds of sexual activity, frame 2 black men, 4 ways you got home, winning money for Natalee back, Natalee asked me to CnC. Natalee was passing in and out of conscience, Natalee asked me to dance which i didnt.I cleaned my car for ants, I cleaned my car for sand, Deepak drove to CnC, Satish drove to CnC, Deepak, Satish and Joran walked out with Natalee, Satish and Joran walked out with Natalee, Deepak went to get the car a few minutes ahead, Joran raped her, Deepak raped and killed her, Natalee went to my house, Natalee didn’t go to my house didn’t want to wake up my family,(even though he said he left earlier without his family knowing it because he has a separate place) Good reason to lie about taking her the Holiday Inn NOTTTTT.. 3000 lies..don’t = the truth. All 4 of them, need to tell the truth about where they put Natalee.

    70. mayan_moons on October 6th, 2006 1:48 am

      LoL Isn’t there more intelligent people to plead Aruba’s case?? Your logic #63 & 64 is laughable, you’re an embarrassment to aruba & do more to highlight whats wrong with aruba with one comment than i could come up with posting all day.

    71. Marc on October 6th, 2006 2:13 am

      @66, Hammer
      Disrespected by who? Disrespected by the thousands of people who have been searching the island to help her find her daughter? Disrespected by the hotels who paid all her hotel expenses? Disrespected by the local restaurant owners who offered her, the people with her, the Texas search team and many others free breakfast, lunch and dinner during her stay? Disrespected by car rental companies where she got free transportation from during her stay? Disrespected by the Dutch government who had over 300 marines looking for her over a week, flew 2 F16 jets over to help in the search? Disrespected by the (mostly volonteering) members of the fire department who drained a pond for 24 hours a day for almost a week long? But I suppose this is all part of the cover up.

      If you feel the urge to call for a boycott because in your opinion the case has been mishandled or covered up, or whatever by police or government, that’s your opinion and good right. But there has been support and respect from the local population from day 1. And please don’t come back with that sorry bunch that was protesting in front of the court house against Beth. First of all that was a reaction on her calls to boycott the very same people she gladly accepted every help from in the beginning and second this group hardly represents the opinion of the vast majority on the island.


      SM: Appearances can be deceiving can’t they Marc? Exactly who do you think pays for searches in America when people go missing? The Families? No … the community.

      What happened in Aruba in having bills paid was no different than happens in any American town, so please stop with the Aruba paid stuff. Of course the hotels, etc paid … they were trying to protect their tourism.

      Get off your high horse and stop acting like Aruba did something that was so noble. Do not every confuse window dressing with reality. Please show me a high profile missing person case where a family was made to pay to search for their child. Don’t you understand that the help that was provided was a given.

      Do not even begin to defend the obstructions to the investigation and searches as I was there first hand to experience and witness it. The road blocks were pathetic.

      From day one the Aruban authority premise was that this would be over in 4 days … that is a fact.

      Before you get all high and mighty … how many Arubans went to help in the search when they were given the day off from work in the very beginning? What % of Govt workers? Like 600 out of 5000.

      Also, it was the Dutch scholars & Crime professors  that stated this investigation was nothing short of a joke.

      If Arubans were truly concerned about the state of their tourism and economy they would be marching in the streets and demanding the obvious. Instead, all have attached themselves to defending 3 suspects. Its not like you cannot inform yourself to what they have said and lied about.

      About that support … how soon were those missing posters taken down in Aruba from local store shop windows? You make it sound like a family should be grateful for getting help from an island where a crime was committed against  her daughter. Yea, right … that was to be a given. Done to protect tourism, not about Natalee. Try seeing where Aruba would be today if they had done even less to help the family.

      Aruba would be called “The other Haiti”.


    72. Marc on October 6th, 2006 2:20 am

      #70 I am glad you are on this board with your well argumented intelligent posts!

    73. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 2:29 am

      Sooo, are the Dutch investigators going to search the Vandersloot home?

      I mean, I’ve read that according to the Aruban law, it can’t be searched again. However, can the Dutch override any of those laws? It seems that Aruban laws have been overridden by the Vandersloots. Such as, Joran underage drinking and underage gambling. If he wasn’t in C & C’s that night, then Natalee wouldn’t be missing. Can the Holloway/Twitty’s sue the Aruban government for not following through with enforcing their laws against Joran?

      What would happen to an American or anyone else for that matter, if he and two of his buds drove off with let’s say the daughter of a prominent white Dutch person in Aruba? What Aruban laws would and/or would not apply to these persons? Would the same inept questioning of them happen as they happened to Joran, Deepak and Satish? Would the police let them have 10 days to do whatever they wanted to do? Would Dennis Jacobs ask the father “how much money do you have”? Would the police wish the head perv a “happy birthday”?

    74. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 2:40 am


      Even the police in Holland think that Natalee’s case has been mishandled since day one. Your mother ship country dude!! That’s why the cold case cops are coming to town!! Your Town!! Must be embarrassing. All those Aruban cops and all their overtime problem and not being able to solve this “one missing person case” as you call it.

    75. viet vet on October 6th, 2006 4:44 am

      Time has not helped Aruba recover from the Natalee Holloway disaster. Actually, as time goes by Aruba will continue to become a less desirable destination. This thing of less tourism is not going to go away, as the Tourism Department of Aruba had hoped it would. There are crazy people in all populations who commit crimes, and have been there since the beginning of time. But, when the law enforcement officials and the government try to cover up incidents and let their friends walk free after commiting a crime, bad things happen. Aruba will never be what it was or could have been. They have buried themselves in lies and injustice. Build all you want, think you see thousands of American tourists, and try to explain why your hotels are seeing fewer people. If Aruba would tell it like it is their damages would be less.

    76. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on October 6th, 2006 7:45 am

      To Carpe,

      As stated before, when the scent is hot, it bothers the trolls a lot.

    77. super dave on October 6th, 2006 8:38 am

      in case you haven’t heard, (MARC)! there were several murders in aruba in the last year! also around the time natalee disappeared. get up to date before you post an ignorant remark. it makes you look bad . maybe your daughter could be next.

    78. dennisintn on October 6th, 2006 8:51 am

      #64 blasphemous and brazen don’t fit. dumb as a damn rock seems more appropriate.

    79. vicki on October 6th, 2006 8:56 am

      You know what, i changed my mind after reading posts from trolls like the pro aruba posts above. Forget the front page ad in NT TIMES for 45000.00. I know someone who will take out the whole SLOOT family for 5,000.00. ONE AT A TIME. and will be more than happy to do it. I AM SICK

    80. Marc on October 6th, 2006 9:35 am

      Please super dave,in case you haven’t heard, there have been several murders everywhere in the world this year! I never said there were none! But then again you probably don’t care.

      Waterboy doesn’t know the difference between stating an opinion and calling names.

      Viet vet explain to me why the Marriott almost finished his third building, preparing to build the fourth, Hyatt is in the middle of a renovations to accomodate more people, Occidental is finishing their renovation to accomodate more people, Aruba Resort & Casino is building a complete new tower next to the existent one, Aruba Phoenix is starting on a new building, Three huge new time share buildings at the low rise, The new building in the bay downtown with hundreds of condominiums, the new mall in the high rise (the on this post ia about) is going to offer over hundred condominiums. And the funny thing is, that almost all of the time share and the condo’s are sold already!! So I’m not to worried if people will come back or not. You should google corruption and USA you might realise that maybe you should point your anger to those in your own country rather than to the ones on an island you probably have never been.

      And Tazman read the post before you start bashing your keyboard. I never went into any discussion whether the Natalee Holloway case has been mishandled or not. For your information, in my opinion it is! This however is about those who live and work on Aruba. The ones tha get up at 7 and go to their work, the onse who have tried to do as much as possible to help. The ones you guys wish all the bad, for no other reason than that their police department fucked up.

      And please Red, I get so tired of your “I’ve been there” BS. Roadblocks, where do you get this nonsense? If somebody ought to get of their high horse it you and your buddie here, since the only reason you place this garbage is for the amount of publicity you get for it. Bending a new mall into the NH case. Pathetic, Again you as well doesn’t understand difference in taling about the police investigation… aah never mind. Dumb people


      Marc, try not to be a misguided fool your entire life. Buy a vowel or a clue some time. I am so sorry if the truth hurts but what alse can we presume from Aruban posters? No, once again you would be wrong … strike 2 … the reason why we post of this and many other stories is to get answers. Maybe that’s why you bother to comment. Please do not begin to even think you can speak for us as to why we do anything.

      Many of you in Aruba make an excuse for everything. You will find a reason to do anything to spread misinformation on the internet and MSM. However, most of that has now been shown for what it truly is … BS.

      If you honestly think your tourism and economy are fine … then God bless you. Let’s just keep it where it presently is and see what happens. Is that why ever on-line budget tourism site is giving Aruba away for nearly free? That why your hotel occupancy rate is down, as well as passengers to airport? Then in Jan 2007 … no more which cruise ship line going to Aruba?

      Please don’t be jealous of others that actually know the info from sources, not third party. Do it for publicity? What a small little mind you have. I am afraid we do not need to do such things like this for publicity. However, we do await more updates on the Natalee investigation from our sources, including the ones we have in Aruba.

      Have a nice day :)



    81. kw on October 6th, 2006 10:32 am

      64…. you are a goldmine for any therapist.

    82. Joe_Public on October 6th, 2006 10:46 am

      I’m sure American tourist are just clamoring to go to the tropics, hang out at a mall, eat at another Friday’s and maybe grab a Subway to take back to the room for later. Now that is what I call livin’ it up!

    83. GretaMAL on October 6th, 2006 11:13 am

      vicki #79, You are a goldmine for any THERAPIST !!!!!!!

    84. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 11:14 am

      1, 2…

      Lionel Richie Found Joran’s Size 10 1/2 Shoe!

      3, 4…

      Paulus is a JUDGEY WUDGEY MAN-WHORE!

      5, 6…

      The Kalpoes Took Off In Their Unmarked Cab
      To Pick Up Styx!


      ….and we don’t STOP.

      I copy…

      Keep driving the spikes.


    85. Melissa on October 6th, 2006 11:19 am

      Marc has a vested interest in promoting the “fallacy” that Aruba is safe. He is a business owner in Aruba. Marc – How high are the walls around your house? How many guard dogs do you have?

    86. Joe_Public on October 6th, 2006 11:33 am

      What is the scoop on this not so secret meeting that is to take place at the end of the month? Is there a story in that somewhere?

    87. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 11:37 am


      ROFLMAO. I like your brand of humor and sarcasm!

      Jared says “GO SUBWAY” ARUBA.

      ah ha haaaaa…

      fix me a sammmm-ich, BRO-ham-US!


    88. Miss-Underestimated on October 6th, 2006 12:07 pm

      I wonder where Marc takes his vacations?

      I see he is also to vain to see what Aruba is doing to him and other business owners on the island.

      Remember making sand pies at the beach? Is there any nutritional value to sand? What food grows on a rocky and sandy island?

    89. Meee on October 6th, 2006 12:09 pm

      To Robots post #15. Tacopina has just taken on actor Lillo Brancato (Bronx Tale, Sopranos) He is defending him against charges of murder and burglary. He and his buddy shot a NY Cop to death. While burglarizing a home.

    90. JusticeforNatalee on October 6th, 2006 12:20 pm

      This case is not complicated.

      J2K take Natalee in a car and Natalee is never seen again.
      J2K lie and blame each other. Stories don’t match.
      J2K at the very LEAST KNOW and at the very WORST KILLED Natalee.

      Stop the nonsense, Aruba, and invest in JUSTICE.

    91. dennisintn on October 6th, 2006 12:44 pm

      if jared goes down to aruba for the grand opening of subway, he can personally introduce dennis jacobs to his subway diet. jacobs could become the new poster child for subway. in about 20 yrs.

    92. GretaMAL on October 6th, 2006 1:14 pm

      Me, If I was being charged with a crime I would want him also. He is a very good attorney.

    93. linda on October 6th, 2006 2:18 pm

      We allready have 5 or 6 subways no grand opening..I wouldn’t even want to eat no more if I have to look at Jacobs face on a thank you..

    94. GretaMAL on October 6th, 2006 2:26 pm

      linda, I agree, So how you feeling today ???

    95. super dave on October 6th, 2006 2:34 pm

      MARC, YOU POOR MISGUIDED FOOL ! MARC DER SLOOT ? a little touchy when you have to eat your own crap huh ? give it up son, you don’t even come close.

    96. vicki on October 6th, 2006 3:10 pm

      For 1000.00 I can get URINE to talk. While in Holland.It will be so easy.I am so sick of all of this BS. I really am. Holland is lying just like lieruba did and laughing in our faces and I for one am tired of no ANSWERS. They better come soon, or someone will be tortured.FORGET TACO JOE

    97. JusticeforNatalee on October 6th, 2006 3:12 pm

      If Joran had stayed home that fateful night, Natalee would be alive and on her way to becoming a doctor.

    98. kw on October 6th, 2006 3:51 pm

      Joran staying home would mean his parents would had to have behaved like actual ‘parents’.

      God forbid them put any limitations on their own child. I hope they’re real proud of the monster they created.

    99. linda on October 6th, 2006 4:31 pm

      Hi Gretamal..I’m ok..what about you..ready to be attacked again hahah..seems that you like it tough!!

    100. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 4:59 pm

      Marc you’re angry at us because we’re angry this case hasn’t been solved. So, instead of picking each and every one of us apart, instead of spending your time and energy “bashing your keyboard” why don’t you get together some of your fellow Arubans and start some demonstrations. Demonstrations to get to the bottom of this corrupt case. Go interview Dennis Jacobs, Paulos, Joran, Anita, etc. Go chisel off some of that rock that was painted. Enough to send to the FBI for testing. Go find out what Deepak and Satish are doing and let us know. Take pictures. Interview neighbors of the 3 perverts. Look for people to interview that can actually say good things about Joran, Deepak and Satish. Interview their friends. Hang around C & C’s, listen to the talk of the locals. Interview the bartenders of C & C’s.

    101. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 5:01 pm


      Go find out who Shango is. Ask him to explain his riddle.

    102. Arubaanse on October 6th, 2006 6:24 pm

      To Marc and other arubans…stop making this about us…it’s not about us, it’s about NATALEE. She went missing on our island and we didn’t handle this case the way it should have been done. I still remember how embarrassing it was when Nel Oduber showed pictures of missing people in Alabama. WHO CARES! That is not Beth’s problem, her daughter went missing on our island not in Alabama! I hate when arubans do that. Just because they are people still missing in Alabama does not mean that it is ok that one american girl is missing on our island and that the americans should except it cuz they have more missing people in their country. The boycott is ours to blame not the americans! Our attitude is the reason for the boycott. The ” we have done everything for Beth and this is how she pais us back” attitude. And no! I am not kissing americans asses here but try to put yourself in Beth and dave’s shoes and what would you have done? And we call ourselves the one happy island?? This is so embarrassing!:(

    103. GRETAMAL on October 6th, 2006 6:27 pm

      linda, I’m doing good. I do love the abuse. I have thick skin. I am disappointed when they don’t respond to me. I am getting ready to go to the football game tomorrow. Michigan is playing Michigan State in Ann Arbor. It is a BIG rivalry. There will be over 111,000 fans there.Kickoff is 4:30 PM. It will be a great time. We get there about 11:00 Am and we have a BIG tailgate. KEEP ON POSTING !!!! Luv Ya Kel

    104. Maggie on October 6th, 2006 6:51 pm

      For all the JRenfro fans.. Heard she just got a new vehicle.

    105. IndyDan on October 6th, 2006 7:29 pm

      Marc #63:
      You seem somewhat sincere, not the usual troll, so I’ll give you my response to your rebuttal to my post (#54) about Aruba not being safe.

      When your precious daughter shows up missing in a foreign country and you race to that country looking for help — the first stop is at the local law enforcement agency and the guy in charge says “relax, just go down to CnC’s and get a beer, she’ll show up. But watch your drink…………etc”

      You know there’s a problem if the local police know drugging people is a local practice and they haven’t done anything to stop it.

      When the local prosecutor has arrested one after another of the local boys, charging them with everything from “heavy battery” on down. You know there’s a problem.

      When several young women come forward to complain about being drugged and date raped, only to be suppressed and threatened by the local police, you know there’s a problem.

      Aruba is very dangerous for young people, especially young ladies. We Americans see Aruba as a place where men and boys of Aruba see our daughters as nothing more than fodder for their pleasure. When they are done with them they just trash ‘em.

      I’m sorry that, as a businessman in Aruba, you are starting to feel the pinch in your income. Don’t blame those of us seeking justice for Natalee Holloway, blame the local pigs that brought this on, the raping-murdering VanDerSloots and the pigs that made their crime possible by covering up.

    106. dennisintn on October 6th, 2006 7:43 pm

      according to their papers, they don’t even prosecute people who gang rape their own little girls. instead they want the pics erased from everybody’s pic phone, and the little girl has to be moved away from home and off the island so she can have safety from harm and harassment.

      it would be nice to have someone as with it and gutsy as arubaanse in charge of a.l.e. or the entire govt. for that matter.

    107. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 8:10 pm


      Maggie. ;)

      You’ve still got it! – Ralph Mouth

    108. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 8:24 pm

      Hear Up On This!




      and ARUBA

    109. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 8:32 pm

      Good one Maggie!

      Who is Gretamal? Is that Kelmal in drag??

    110. IndyDan on October 6th, 2006 10:14 pm

      dennis: It does seem that the Dutchies that control Aruba view women as nothing more than sexual objectives.

      That explains the why they so easily band together to coverup the rape and murder Natalee Holloway.

    111. GRETAMAL on October 6th, 2006 11:03 pm

      taz, It is to HONOR Greta for ALL she has done to get JUSTICE for Natalee !!!!!!!!!!!!

    112. Allan K on October 6th, 2006 11:09 pm

      American women that have drowned in Aruba listed by the US State Department Or did they drown naturally?

      Date of Death Place of Death Cause of Death

      July 6, 2003 SEROE COLORADO, ARUBA Other Accident
      July 12, 2004 ARUBA Drowning
      July 12, 2004 ARUBA Drowning
      January 26, 2005 ORANJESTAD, ARUBA Other Accident
      February 8, 2005 HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA Drowning
      March 12, 2005 WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA Drug-Related

      ** This only list Americans that drowned

    113. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 11:15 pm has a Natalee Holloway Case Update section that has their timeline, Q & A section, list of Strategic Communications Task Force people and their duties, with lots of other stuff too. I noticed that on their timeline, the 3 F16 jets were deployed on 7/4/05. They must have been requested by someone from Aruba. Who? Holland was requested to take over this case just recently by Aruba. So, why the long wait? It took Aruba a year to request the help.

    114. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 11:17 pm

      What’s the story of the 2 tourists drowning off of Baby Beach?

    115. Tazman on October 6th, 2006 11:18 pm

      To Gretamal #111:

      I don’t get it.

    116. windy city on October 6th, 2006 11:26 pm

      The only thick skin you have is between your EARS! You like the abuse because your are ashamed of yourself. Please leave the keyboard and get some air. You might like it!

    117. dennisintn on October 6th, 2006 11:29 pm

      #ll5, taz, he/she/it doesn’t get it either.

    118. Allan K on October 6th, 2006 11:33 pm

      A Likely Scenario

      Joran has her in his room, the father comes in, he rapes her, she recovers and tries to escape. Joran tries to stop her, Natalee hits Joran, a arrogant psycho, who explodes into a rage, and beats her mercilessly with a baseball bat, golf club, or something.

      The two key points are:

      It was very bloody confrontation, that’s why the shoes, and clothes were missing, and bleach was used.
      They had to destroy the body because even her skeleton would reflect the beating.

    119. GRETAMAL on October 7th, 2006 8:52 pm

      taz, I knew you wouldn’t. Please ask carpe, he will tell you.

    120. Carpe Noctem on October 8th, 2006 2:30 am

      Natalee murdered and raped by Deepak. Joran
      tells all –



      -Joran goes free to to do it again.

      -Deepak & Satish Kalpoe cut loose to rape and kill again.

      Lied a minimum of 22 times in a MURDER INVESTIGATION.

      Yes, Aruba folks:

      The Island of Tourist Killing ,
      Throat Slashing Rape! …but hey
      come on –

      Their hotel has a brand
      new state of the art wing *FRESHLY CONSTRUCTED*
      they’d like
      you to see it!!! ( extreme sarcasm )


      The same place Pitbull Dinesh Djoegan was beaten to death
      with a baseball bat to the head. P.S. They
      attempted to cover that one up too!!

      Thugs beat him and crucified him ( yes, like they did to you know who – you reading my post correctly. )

      Finally, as a departing Aruban
      F.U. … they torched his lifeless body
      as the criminals took off from the Caves site.

      Don’t you want to go now???

      you wanna go where law UN-enforcement
      admits that women get raped, drugged
      and left on a beach ( maybe they’ll show
      up with in a couple of days? Have a beer at Carlos
      and Charlie’s)

      Tossed defenseless on a beach, probably
      drugged and unconscious for any wine-o
      to swing by and attack, rape and murder.

      Women are like waste basket trash in Aruba.

      The POLIS and Criminals should operate
      out of the same building to consolidate
      and cut down on costs.

      Nobody can tell the difference between a gang banger
      and a cop down there anyway.


      Hey, if it pi$$e$ you off what they did Natalee…
      Do me a favor and tell 3 – 10 people you run in to today.
      Or do it in snail mail, or email today. The story needs to be told often and accurately if Nat is ever to get
      an ounce of JUSTICE! Thank you.

      BONBINI, enjoy your stay in Aruba, if you get lucky
      and live to make it back!!!

      Dispose of your Kal-Slimes
      and Van der Rapes Aruba!

    121. GRETAMAL on October 8th, 2006 12:39 pm

      Carpe, I did just that yesterday when I was at the football game. I told 5 people about this case. All 5 didn’t even think this was still going on !!!!!!!

    122. Carpe Noctem on October 8th, 2006 4:04 pm

      I am just astounded that you even could find
      5 people that would talk to you, GretaNibbler.

      You’re an enflamed ace-hole!

      -Justice for Natalee

    123. GRETAMAL on October 8th, 2006 6:19 pm

      carpe, Yep, and they ALL thought the case had been CLOSED. I let them all know that was not the case !!!!!!!! The one woman’s husband even said “Who is Natalee Holoway”. His wife told me all he does is watch sports.

    124. Carpe Noctem on October 8th, 2006 6:55 pm

      kewl… I bet the murderous raping
      Van der Predators thank you for
      spreading the word all over
      Clinton Township.

    125. GRETAMAL on October 8th, 2006 7:04 pm

      carpe, I was in Ann Arbor. Home of the University of Michigan. GO BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!

    126. super dave on October 9th, 2006 3:11 pm

      you mean to tell us that greta has actually done something?
      could you elaborate on this ?
      remember: van der sloot
      van der stratten
      van cromvoirt
      van susteren
      she.may be one of them !

    127. Sharon Chicago on October 9th, 2006 4:27 pm

      112 Allen…..very interesting 3 women drowned in Aruba in 2005 listed as drownings….one listed as drug related…
      Wow…and these are only reports on American’s…

      Wonder what statics are on all of the carrebean islands if they loose three American female tourists each year to drownings????

      I would hate to think that they might be related to the sex, drug corruption that takes place on Aruba where someone gets a kick out of murdering a American female…death by drowning….

    128. Sharon Chicago on October 9th, 2006 4:29 pm

      THINKING IT THROUGH….Joran did mention that Natalee might have gone to see the sharks as she had mentioned before (stated in one of Joran’s many lies)…..

      Death by drowning??????

    129. Outsider on October 27th, 2006 9:31 am

      What kinda crap do these Americans talk about on this blog, what happened to the thousands of missing persons in your country. A few days ago there was a case on Nance Grace about a nice young girl lost for a year already and nobody has been caught. Cover up?
      Nobody paid for the hotel and rental car and food for the families, am I wrong?

      Never saw the US marines looking for her, not the US navy, not the US air force? Shall we boycott New York State?

      All Amercians are guilty, should we punish them? (bullshit, but just for comparison purposes)

      I think the arrogance of some americans looking at the splinter (one) in the eye of a loyal neigbor, is one of the causes that so many others want to hurt your citizens anywhere they go.
      The son of a b**h terrorists should not be allowed to do these things and they are wrong!
      But when I read the arrogant replies in this blog (and the mentality behind it) I understand why these criminals want to blow some of you to pieces! Terrible but true

      It is just disgusting!

      Boycott California, they covered up for Micheal Jackson’s child abuse case!

      Boycott California they covered up the OJ simpson case!

      Nonsense! Nonsense!

      Just like in America, London or Madrid: No phisical evidence; no body; no witnesses; no case! And that’s it.



      SM: Please … this argument is so old and has been discussed 1000 times. Tourism at all cost.

    130. Bob Francaviglia on November 11th, 2006 9:23 pm

      Hey guys, relax. Seems like you’re making that whole Holloway thing into a national disaster. Stuff happens. There are nasty people all over the world. There are also innocent crazy teenagers who go into harm’s way. Get over it.
      You are a beautiful people. You live from day to day in your wonderful place. It’s a beautiful place I hope to visit soon.
      The Natalie Holloway affair should be a strong and nasty incident in your past, but it should not be an over-arching incident in your nation’s history. Crap happens. You are not collectively responsible for it.
      I plan to visit your island in the coming Spring. I plan not to go to the casinos but to visit and commune with the residents. I hope they will accept me, in comradship and joy.
      Bob Francaviglia
      Bisbee, Arizona

    131. Bob Francaviglia on December 7th, 2006 9:13 pm

      Hey guys,,, relax,
      You have a bautiful island that I hope to visit some day soon. You have a wonderful existence, living on this world, wherein nations contend with explosives calculated to rend life from limb. You have a simple controversy. Shall the disappearance of Natelie result in a national crisis? {{edit}}

      Bob Francaviglia


      SM:Â   Your post was meant for Arubans, I suggest you post it on one of the Aruba travel forums. (klaasend)
      Bisbee, Arizona

    132. Bob Francaviglia on March 24th, 2007 11:42 pm

      Please don’t give these “criminals” some kind of status. Those two or three ugly creatures who murdered that innocent teenager on the beach, and in their animal panic, sunk her precious body into the sea, are not “arch criminals.” They are simply ugly predators, ignorant, nasty, and preying on a superior culture, like the bacteria that scientists and hospital technicians fight against. They are not worth our human rage, for they are not worthy of acceptance in the human community. They will be sought out. They will be located. And like the bacteria that causes a disease, they will be eliminated. So, I would say, don’t give them the dignity of “criminals.” They are simply bacteria, they are the cause of a disease, they are an ugly boil on the buttocks of humanity, and they will, ultimately, be lanced.
      We step on cockroaches when we see them. We poison them when they become a problem in our kitchens. These cultural ameboids will be found, and when they are, they will be erradicated like the common pests they are. Don’t call them criminals. Criminals have some sort of criminal dignity. These creatures are merely a disease, the same sort of diseases that we humans have been fighting for centuries. They will be found. They will be brought to court. But however they present smiling faces, and however they pretend to be humans just like us, they are and ever will be bacteria. And, however their smiling faces appeal to us, when the trial’s over, and justice is made, we must treat them as the bacteria they are. Put them in a box and let the air out. Put a needle in their arms and let the poison in. Wrap the rope around their necks and loose the platform. End their ugly lives without repentence. They are not humans. They are simply bacteria.
      Bob Francaviglia
      Bisbee, Arizona

    133. andrew on April 20th, 2007 7:09 am

      I think that Americans are making a too big of a deal with safety name me one area in America or any Island that is safer than Aruba I have lived and traveled all over the world and let me tell you there are not many places safer than Aruba. I don’t want to be rude but its one girl that went missing we don’t even know what happened and most likely she swam out. I have seen how these so called girls act when there in carlos and charlie and trustme its not the Aruban guys that are to blame. So next time you try to vilivy someone ( likeAmerica likes to do) think as there is more poeple dying everyday in the world than one girl the only difference is she is not american so you don’t care and you guys give Aruba to much of a hard time besides America can’t even solve the murder of one of their presidents so please relax and before passing judgment fix up you own affairs and about Aruba turning into Haiti well America also better watch out as the way you guys are going will not be to good look how weak your dollar is and how badly your image is in the world.

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