Beth Twitty Interview on Dutch TV Show, Robert Jensen (VIDEO)


Watch below the video from Beth Twitty’s appearance on the Robert Jensen Show. Full video of Beth’s interview on The Robert Jensen Show. This is a must watch. Very good interview and questions from Robert Jensen … very professionally done.


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Robert Jensen Show

Also if you missed last night’s Dave Holloway interview with Dana Pretzer, listen to podcast here.

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  • Comments

    216 Responses to “Beth Twitty Interview on Dutch TV Show, Robert Jensen (VIDEO)”

    1. Amsterdamned on October 2nd, 2006 10:04 am

      I,ve seen Beth and it is the same old story. Sometimes there are simple no answers in life. The story of Natalee is not hot anymore in the netherlands and Jenssen interview will not help a lot to change that. Although it’s good she good a chance to do her story, however I heard on the Dutch Radio that Beth can consider a big claim from the fam van der sloot

    2. SUPER DAVE on October 2nd, 2006 10:29 am

      we’ve heard you amsterdamned, and it’s the same old story.two cents worth of nothing ! money won’t replace a life. beth will win in the end.

    3. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 10:29 am


      Yeah right and thats why Beth was asked to come to Holland.

      I didn’t see that they asked you to come for an interview.

      This is still a strong story and that really bothers you otherwise you’d be posting at your regular site.

      Did you write that letter to Paulus?

    4. robots on October 2nd, 2006 10:46 am

      Beth ROCKS


      simple as that

    5. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 10:52 am

      This interview showed the dutch people the otherside of the story. I think she should come again and this time to Peter R. de Vries.

    6. para2legal on October 2nd, 2006 11:20 am

      Great interview. Rather odd that “innocent” JVDS, refused to meet with Beth in the Netherlands…instead he high-tailed it back to Aruba. JVDS non-action speaks volumes.


      SM:   My guess is Beth’s people tried to contact Joran but he said no.   Then Joran decided to go to Aruba while Beth was in the Netherlands.   According to reports, Joran is now on his way back to the Netherlands (klaasend)

    7. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 11:23 am

      I say the Holloway story is about to get HOTTER in Holland.

      The truth is getting out. Natalee was a smart and decent young woman planning to become a doctor–the opposite of how she was portrayed in the Dutch media.

      Also, the truth will get out about the suspects. All roads lead back to Joran and the Kalpoes. There are 22 different versions of the SAME NIGHT.

      Natalee was last seen with Joran and never returned. The suspects did not deny something malicious happening to Natalee–instead they POINTED FINGERS.
      They, at the very least, KNOW what happened and could very well be the ones who KILLED Natalee.

    8. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2006 11:24 am

      “same old story from beth”. that’s correct, it’s the truth that she tells so it doesn’t change. after l6 months of lies from j2k, the story still changes each time, and each time we’re told it’s the truth. let the vds’ files their charges if they dare. natalee’s family would be more than happy to have them all put in jail at least for perjuring themselves.

    9. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 11:27 am

      Arubaanse #5

      Do you think there is any benefit to Americans contacting Peter R de Vries about having Beth on his show? If so, I think we should all e-mail.

      Could you please e-mail the show? It might mean more coming from someone in his primary audience. Thanks.

    10. Kat_Gram on October 2nd, 2006 11:33 am

      Yes, why wouldn’t it be the same old story ?
      Would you expect it to change like Joran’s, Deepak’s and Satish’s. Also, the tale that Paulus spun about the events does not seem to match what Joran has said in his story.
      Read those police statements, they are a LOAD.
      It is even worse than anything Beth ever said on TV about the Van Der Sloots and the Kalpoes,before the statements were released.
      And Anita’s praising of her son seems to be founded in fiction when we read Joran’s accounts of how he spends his free time.
      So Joran went to Aruba when Beth was in Holland. Once she leaves, he goes back !

    11. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:33 am

      I don’t know about you guys but I have tears in my eyes everytime she says that she has accepted that her body she is no longer with us. I feel so ashame that I used to think this woman was just out there to get money and fame out of her missing daughter’s story. I hope God and Beth can forgive me for ever thinking of her like that. Thank God I took off my “wooden glasses” off and saw the truth.

    12. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:36 am


      I just visited Peter R de Vries site. If you want to take a look here it is

      I am going to see if I can email him.

    13. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 11:40 am

      #12 Arubaanse, thanks.

      I can’t read any Dutch. Which words mean “e-mail the show?”
      Maybe you can link it.

    14. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 11:41 am

      Kat Gram

      They have a name for guys like that.

      Wus….Why the big guy run away?????

    15. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:42 am

      Klaasend, did you send the link to Jossy?? Maybe he will put the transcript in Diario.


      SM:Â   Yes, I believe Red sent it to him this morning! (klaasend)

    16. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:45 am


      Here is his email:

    17. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:47 am


      Great:) Now let’s hope he will put it in Diario. How are you btw?


      SM:  I’m great and you?   Woke up a little late this morning though, lol :)    (klaasend)

    18. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:48 am

      And Kat_Gram, how are you doing??:)

    19. Amsterdamned on October 2nd, 2006 11:52 am

      The same old story is that Ms Twitty is after 16 months still ONLY focused on JVDS. For the investigation it is better (after 16 months) to stop this “tunnel-vision”.

    20. Minnesota Dad on October 2nd, 2006 11:52 am


      Paulus is the one who was hitting on Natalee at the casino the night she died.

      Paulus is the one that has no good alibi.

      Paulus is the one who changed his story regarding when he picked up his son.

      Paulus is the one who pulled the large ATM withdrawal the night of the killing.

      Paulus is the one who ‘lawyered up’ all of his accomplices on this case.

      Paulus is the one who called the meeting at his house where they planned out how they cover-up the case — “No corpse, no case.”

      Paulus is the one that wasn’t truthful about J and D’s whereabouts when Beth arrived.

      Paulus is the one who hid in the bushes when Beth stopped by to talk.

      Paulus was the one sweating like no one I have ever seen when he gave the US interview. Clearly the ghost of Natalee was haunting him in that interview.

      Paulus is the one who utilized justice officials and connections to REFUSE a subpoena to search his premises.

      Paulus is the one who utilized justice officials to deny the FBI any jurisdiction to assist on the case.

      Paulus is the one who ordered new furniture within weeks of the Blood soaked mattress being found.

      Paulus utilized his judicial connections to have him named “No longer a suspect in the case”.

      Paulus is the one who utilized his judicial connections to have approximately $30,000 of Aruban taxpayer dollars for a ‘false arrest’.

      ATTENTION DUTCH INVESTIGATORS – Start unpeeling this onion…START BY VOIDING ALL JUDGEMENTS MADE TO PROTECT AND INSULATE PAULUS FROM HIS ROLE AS THE LEAD PERPETRATOR (don’t get me wrong….J2K are in this just as deep as Paulus….but, he is your perp).

      DUTCH INVESTIGATORS – Why haven’t you begun the process of VOIDING all judgements against Paulus for overwhelming CONFLICT OF INTEREST? This case is dead until you deal with the perp. Unfortunately, those who have protected the perp are also going to go down. Are you capable of doing this….or just a facade???


    21. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 11:57 am

      I still can not believe that our system paid him out tax money and the case is not even over.


    22. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 12:07 pm


      Hello, Do you think they would have paid anyone else, why not the Kalpoes? Why do you suppose they have paid him?

    23. Richard on October 2nd, 2006 12:07 pm

      “The story of Natalee is not hot anymore in the Netherlands” ….

      Be damned, Amsterdamned.

      I think most of us care not about what is hot or not, but about getting justice done and having Natalee, dead or alive, brought back to her own country.

      Maybe you don’t think that’s a big deal. I do … and so do many others here … and it means a hell of a lot more to us than anything the Dutch think or don’t think. Or whether they think.

    24. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 12:10 pm


      After 16 months, why have the Dutch and Interpol decided it is time to come to Aruba to review the case. Why Interpol? Why is the ALE still claim JVDS is still a suspect?

    25. Amsterdamned on October 2nd, 2006 12:14 pm

      I mean by hot that the media ans so the public are not that interested anymore like in the beginning. Media interest is still very important if you want to solve this case (without a body!!!).

      Finally Richard watch the words you usead adressed to me!!!

    26. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 12:17 pm

      Hi Miss-Underestimated,

      I think he got paid cuz the judge was his friend. He must have now that judge. No one saw I reason to reward him money right now. If they have solved this case and it turns out that he was innocent then we would have said, ok, but this case in not even over. How does that judge knows that he wasn’t involved in this case, does he has prove that we don’t know?? What I have found strange is that Arubans weren’t happy with that but they didn’t protest??? What the hell was that??


    27. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2006 12:17 pm

      #l9, according to dompig, hundreds of people have been questioned and interrogated and all leads checked and rechecked, and everything leads right back to jvds, deepak, and satish. another one of those truths that doesn’t change.

    28. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 12:20 pm

      Arubaanse, thanks. You rock!

      Okay everyone who is interested, contact Peter R. De Vries and suggest that he invite Beth.

      Richard, you mentioned that a good time to consider a NY Times ad is if the terrible trio get released and case is closed.

      I, too, think it is a good idea to voice our strong protest if that happens and to discourage Americans from traveling to Aruba.

      However, the Times ad is VERY expensive. It would be hard to gather up that sum.

      The idea of everyone writing letters to the editor of the NY Times was brought up on another blog. I think that is more doable. Perhaps if there was a barrage of letters, at least one would be published. Just a thought.

    29. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 12:20 pm

      Wow Richard : Read post 25 (without a body)

      Who said that?

      Richard is he/she referring to post 20 also?

      Richard: I think you have struck a nerve.

    30. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 12:23 pm


      Thanks, Exactly what I was thinking. I was also wondering why Mickey and Abrahams weren’t afforded the luxury of recooping their loses from being wrongfully accused. I don’t think the Arubans can feel too good about this.

    31. SUPER DAVE on October 2nd, 2006 12:38 pm

      so chicken boy ran to aruba so he would feel protected. he is scared of beth as he should be. his conscience ( as if he had one ) was bothering him. a true sign of guilt. this should be all the dutch crackers need to prosecute.

    32. Scared Monkeys on October 2nd, 2006 1:01 pm

      We have just been notified, we ask for your prayers,

      Please Pray for Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … Presently in Hospital


    33. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 1:08 pm

      Did anyone else’s e-mail to De Vries bounce back?

    34. linda on October 2nd, 2006 1:10 pm

      Arubaanse..why don’t you send Peter R De Vries a letter in Dutch..explain the whole situation..and then if he wants more info..let him contact Klaasend or the other two from this site..I’m sure he wants to help out and we both know he is really good in solving criminal cases.
      I can help you with the letter if you want to..I think you’re dutch is good enough since you were born there..anyway let me know

    35. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 1:19 pm


      That was exactly what I was doing…heheheh but thanks for the advice! hey dushi conta??:)

    36. linda on October 2nd, 2006 1:28 pm

      Allright dushi..hopi bon…

    37. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 1:47 pm

      ami tambe ta bon:) How is things in Aruba?

    38. mrskrass on October 2nd, 2006 1:48 pm

      If you really want to know what impact this show has had in the Netherlands, just go to the Dutch version of Google ( en type in “Beth Holloway” + “Robert Jensen” and look for Dutch pages only. You will get exactly 2 pages of “hits” and half of those have nothing to do with the program…

      Yes, it’s been a great succes….really populair in Holland….

      Dream on monkeys!

    39. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 1:54 pm

      Thanks to Arubaanse and Linda!

    40. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 1:57 pm

      No activity going on at the site you post at?
      Something must have prompted you to come here and peak, huh? Could be all the talk about the interview?

      Yeah right, this site and the interview hitting lots of nerves.

      Perfuming your pig again?

    41. linda on October 2nd, 2006 1:57 pm

      Arubaanse..thing are normal in Aruba..I love this island..and enjoy every day of my life here together with kids and husband..

    42. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 2:02 pm


      I have just looked into my mails and i saw that mine bounced back too:(

    43. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 2:05 pm


      I really miss aruba…Holland is not bad but it’s so different and the people are so different. They are all like zombies heheheh if you know what i mean, they don’t look like they enjoy life, they look depressed and they are making me depressed.

    44. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2006 2:24 pm ass is such a joy. reminds me so much of our favorite troll, whatever name he’s using this afternoon.

    45. Esther on October 2nd, 2006 2:26 pm

      Contacting De Vries is not a bad idea,but i agree with amsterdamned, the duthies arent intrested in this case!

    46. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 2:31 pm

      No one has EVER accused the Dutch of caring what happened to Natalee, Arubans for the most part either. Otherwise, this would have been resolved within days and not months. We are very very aware that you do not care and you do not need to come here and post it constantly.

      We Americans have some of the toughest skin on the planet and if you think these words are some how hurtful, look at Beth. We do consider the source and therefore it slides off like water off a duck’s back. Unlike small countries and islands with huge ego problems, we are a vast nation made up of many cultures and types of people. Both The Netherlands and Aruba appear to suffering from what is sometimes called “Short Man Syndrome” basically an excess of hubris to compensate for a lack of power of any kind. Your opinion is just that and means little to us, not nearly as much as you would like to think, Amsterdamned. We just don’t care.

      But you know what? Just the way the Dutch do not care about Natalee is the way we Americans do not care about Aruba. Or Holland. First time in fifteen years I will not be planting Dutch bulbs. See how that works? You don’t care about what happens to one of us and we don’t give a flying fig what happens to your island or your economy. Tit for tat that is called in this country. But just remember that we are the wronged party here and that is very important and something totally lost on some very dense groups of people.

      Here are the ratings for Jensen on the show featuring Beth: Jensen ratings for BHT show 8.3% vs 5.4% for the next night. 450000 vs 322000 is 128000 more viewers as reported in this article.

      I snipped the article but as you can see, his audience was significantly increased by her interview.

      WOW! His show is up by about a fourth!! This must be one of his best ever! Just because a few Sloot sycophants are not interested does not mean ALL the Dutch are so uncaring. There are evidently at least a few who still have a heart lift that is not totally degenerate from their new liberal lifestyle.

      And I read over and over how the Dutch just don’t care and this is not that big a deal in Holland as they have much more important things on their agenda.

      Well, same here about Aruba’s tourism being in the toilet. Oh, right! It’s actually up because there has been an increase in the number of Dutch going there since they cut the rates by 75%. How nice of the Dutch, right? They will go if it is cheap enough. Try getting them to pay full price, Aruba, but don’t hold your breath on their doing so.

      So while both the Dutch and Arubans often (not all and not always) seem to get some sort of big kick out of telling us how little they care, they seem to totally miss it when we return the favor. No one here talks about Aruba that much any more, it is just a given that no one with a lick of sense is going there. MSM even confused it with the Bahamas recently because of linking it with a suspicious death. We don’t care what happens to your economies just as you don’t care about Natalee.

      And those stuck with timeshares are about the only ones going. Unlike what Kelmel tries to claim, they can’t trade them for a trip to a goat . . .er milking! We don’t care about your millions lost in tourism that can never be recovered just the way you don’t care about our Natalee.

      Guess that’s why our congress just passed that bill to make it illegal to use credit cards or checks or anything requiring wire transfer of money illegal to use in online gambling. Now how else you gonna do it?? And we all know where the first and largest of these online gambling deals are located and who was among the first to start dealing in them. Bet Big Mike Posner is fit to be tied. OOPS! poor analogy considering his murdering background where victims were left tied in trunks of cars, etc.

      So tell us some more how little you care and in turn we will SHOW you our feelings. No Natalee–No Tourism. No Natalee–No Online Gambling. But don’t worry. The Dutch will make it all up, right? This I gotta see!!

    47. linda on October 2nd, 2006 2:39 pm

      Mrskrass..Why are you happy if this show didn’t have an impact on the Dutch people..I just don’t get it..Don’t you want Natalee to be found or at least some answers for her mother..and maybe if those suspect had nothing to do with this then also answers for them..I just do not get people like you..I’m from Holland and I live in Aruba..I have to tell you that I do not agree with a lot of people here..especially the ones bashing Aruba and the people all the time..for me it feels like a personal attack..but I’m realistic also..And do understand the people here who wants justice and answers for Beth..I think its human that people react like this..and sure bashing Aruba is a part of that..I would probably do the same if this happened in the states..But people like you who are happy with no answers and want this case just to go away..thats unhuman..maybe I’m wrong..but to me this is so strange..You probably do not have children..I live here..know all the suspect..have to deal with boycott etc..still If I would get a tip a clue or a feeling that I can help find Natalee..I would contact Beth immediately..

    48. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 2:41 pm

      I just posted the ratings for the Jensen show featuring Beth. It was hardly the dismal failure you are claiming. No one expected it to cause a paradigm cultural shift, stop tectonic drift or catch the interest of a people renowned for their stubborn and short-sighted ways. Some will cling to their backward ways no matter what.

      If only a hundred people saw it with open eyes and mind, it was well worth it to Beth because that is a hundred who before did not know the truth.

      And what’s with you Dutch constantly harping on how you don’t care? We never for a minute thought that you did! We don’t care that you don’t care. Just don’t ask us to care about any boycotts in return. Turn about is only fair play.

      Another thing I have to wonder about are these hate sites whose sole purpose seems to be to trash monkeys and other Natalee supporters all the while making similar claims. Well, if there are so few of us left, they can all close down their blogs and forget about it. Instead they are still there, reading and commenting on our every word and post. It is their sole reason to exist and yet they, just like some of the Dutchies here, will constantly claim no one is interested in Natalee any more.

      Their very presence and existence stands testament to the fact that just must not be true or they themselves would not still be stalking and reading and commenting, let alone still bothering to make up new lies from time to time.

    49. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 2:47 pm


      In order to get a judgment against Beth or Dave, your little pals would have to sue where the HT’s have assets. That would be in the Great States of Alabama and Mississippi. You don’t seem to understand our system.

      There is nothing I can think of that we would like better than to have your buds in a court of law here. Remember we actually have laws against telling whoppers under oath unlike some countries that are barely out of the stone age.

      You can’t file such a suit without giving what is called Discovery in which each side allows the other side to question them extensively and can ask or any and all evidence. Then there is the actual trial in an Alabama courtroom.

      It is sort of one of my fondest dreams. Makes me smile just to think about it. Bring it on, Sloots, bring it on!!

    50. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 2:55 pm


      Yep why don’t they put their money (oops the Arubans money) where there mouth is? Mortella, why do you think they haven’t done that yet? You hit the nail on the head. It won’t happen ever.

    51. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2006 2:55 pm

      Amsterdamned- so much in a name.

      You must be related to the murdering raping,
      lying, scumbag Van der Sloot family to be so
      incredibly stupid & inarticulate.

      Yes, the media would not be interested
      in the murder and rape of Natalee
      Ann Holloway one bit!

      That is why Mrs. Holloway
      Twitty was just flown to the
      Nederlands to a television interview.

      …and in the longstanding Van der Sloot family
      tradition of sweaty cowardous liars –

      Joran Van der Sloot (the raping
      murder of Natalee Ann Holloway)

      …ran to Aruba with his tail
      between his legs to hide behind
      his mammy’s skirt.

      …He showed his true COLOR!!! (singular)




      Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot
      are on the level of odoriferous
      cat bullets…

      although, try as I might…
      I could not locate a
      cat in my whole neighborhood
      willing to bury those

      …bribery with a year supply of Starkist
      Tuna even would not seal this deal!

      YA SEE…

      I guess there are some things in life,
      that EVEN a respectable cat
      WILL NOT DO.






      IN TO HELL

      MAY THE ROT.

    52. linda on October 2nd, 2006 2:57 pm

      Miss U..They didn’t pay the Kalpoes or Joran..they can’t pay suspects..suspect can not sue..Paulus was not a suspect no more..The suspects will probably sue after November..if this case is being closed ..not sure that will happen..

    53. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 3:02 pm


      What about Mickey and Abrahams?

    54. Esther on October 2nd, 2006 3:05 pm

      Oh my God Mortella are you Oke? You have so much anger in you ,are you sure everything is oke in your life? Ofcourse jensen got more viewers,possible arubans who live in Holland and from Curacao! Last but not least,I didnt say nobody cares,people have other things on their minds than worrying about an amercian girl lost in Aruba! I care though

    55. Mike on October 2nd, 2006 3:08 pm

      Do us all a big favor and shut the hell up!!! We are here to be part of the soulution and not the damn problem, and all you want to do is act like a damn politician and talk shit. First dumba$$, its not of good moral conduct to disrespect the dead, and second, you shouldnt disrespect the people on here that support Beth and her cause of trying to get closeure for her and her family as far as Natalee is concerend. And as far as you telling one of our Scared Monkey brotheren to watch how he speaks to you, try this one on for size. KISS MY A$$ YOU SPINELESS {{edit}}!

      Sorry Red, had to do it! If I could get my hands on this punk it would have been better though! Justice 4 Natalee


      SM:Â   Just a couple of “edits” ;) Â   (klaasend)

    56. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2006 3:10 pm


      U GO GIRL.

      I like the part where you say:

      “we would like better than to have your buds in a court of law here.”


      She could have said “butts”

      ..but SHE DID NOT.

      She said “BUDS”

      It has a totally different meaning, and I thoroughly
      enjoyed THAT VISUAL!!!

      The lying, raping, murdering Van der Sloot’s… FITTIN’
      to get their ‘BUDS’ snipped off in a court of law. ;)

      Bonbini Snitches!!!
      Welcome to America, you come back
      and see us again REAL SOON, ya hear?

    57. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2006 3:10 pm

      #54, why are you here then, instead of being out taking care of all those important things on your mind?

    58. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 3:11 pm

      American girl her name is NATALEE HOLLOWAY

    59. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2006 3:14 pm


      Your mouthwash gave out hours ago, ya hosebag.


      Your anger lives within
      the raping murdering
      Dutch teen that has to
      beat up girls for
      a good time.

      The Murdering, serial lying Van der Rapes.

    60. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 3:15 pm


      You can cut the crap about it being just a missing American girl. It also has to do with the Aruban LE that has bungled the investigation and possibly covered up (Lots think the latter)

    61. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 3:18 pm

      Spineless posters hiding behind nicknames and the “anonymity” of the Internet.

    62. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 3:19 pm

      I think most of the people who come here trying to sell the stuff about just a girl missing,must have had a mother who didn’t go looking for them when they got lost, maybe momma didn’t want the brat to be found.

      Wahhhhh, cray babies.

    63. linda on October 2nd, 2006 3:20 pm

      Miss not know if Mickey and abrahams sued to government..I do know that if somebody has the right to sue anybody here its them..

    64. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 3:23 pm

      To contact Peter R. de Vries go here:

      Then click on “Tips en Vragen” (Tips and Questions)

      That brings up a form with a Drop-down Menu.

      Choose “Vraag Over Het Programma” (Questions Concerning the Program).

      Write your little heart out.

      No bouncing back!

    65. SUPER DAVE on October 2nd, 2006 3:23 pm


    66. Amsterdamned on October 2nd, 2006 3:38 pm

      #55 Talking about disrespect, You should not talk that dirty about the beautifull Island Aruba and their kind population.Show your class by only be focusend on the case!!!

    67. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2006 3:39 pm

      …and the thought that Paulus Van der Rape is not
      considered a suspect…

      …but Mickey and Abraham STILL ARE. How could anybody
      take what an Aruban Official says seriously anymore.

      They are pathetic and laughable.

      The points that MD makes ARE EXTREMELY VALID, Paulus
      gets ruled out… but 2 security guards who
      have ROCK SOLID ALIBIS that they were TOTALLY NOT
      5-29 – 5/30 2005

      …they are still ON THE BOOKS as SUSPECTS.


      KARIN JAANSEN: You are laughable.


      If this were SURVIVOR. You would have your fat a$$es
      voted off the island.

      No more Klondikes for you!!! Do not pass GO!
      Do not collect two hundred dollars!


    68. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 3:43 pm


      Maybe they can find a lawyer who’d help em out.
      I think this is racist, how did Paulus get an monetary award?

    69. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 4:14 pm

      “This girl” could have been anyone’s daughter.
      “This girl” was a nice person.
      “This girl” was going to become a doctor.
      “This girl” did not deserve to die.
      “This girl” deserves justice.
      “This girl” has a beautiful name and it is Natalee.

      We will NEVER forget NATALEE.

      We will push until NATALEE gets JUSTICE.

    70. Mike on October 2nd, 2006 4:15 pm

      Where do you see a beautiful island of Aurba???? Last time I checked, beutiful islands arent composed of rapist, murderers,corupt police and political officals, and morons like you. I focus on the positive side of this case unlike you, and as for the people of Aruba, I dont think that they are bad as a whole. But there is obviously more bad than there is good and you seem to be the ring leader. If you spent half the time trying to do positive work about this case since you in murder/coverup ville as you do badmouting us and the whole Holloway, you might actually be able to be of some use. But as of now I have no use for you or you crappy little island. And if it so beautiful, why is it they just got through complainging about all the trash being dumbed all over the island?? Seems like you run your mouth just because like the ALE…….your an idiot with nothing better to do. Heres a tip, get off of Paulus’s payroll and maybe you might develope a mind of your own, but I doubt it.

    71. linda on October 2nd, 2006 4:20 pm

      Paulus sued them for illegal arrest..something like that..they had nothing on him..
      Mickey and Abraham are not suspects anymore..they could sue..
      I think this is racism too..

    72. Esther on October 2nd, 2006 4:37 pm

      JusticeFornatalee… Do you know if she is dead? I dont..

    73. Esther on October 2nd, 2006 4:40 pm

      For all here on the blog…you guys have so much hate in you..I wonder how much of you have ever travelled to Aruba?

    74. Rammstein on October 2nd, 2006 4:42 pm


      quote: The truth is getting out. Natalee was a smart and decent young woman planning to become a doctor—the opposite of how she was portrayed in the Dutch media.

      I am sorry but Natalee was not portrayed negatively in the dutch media.

    75. Rammstein on October 2nd, 2006 4:54 pm


      Mortella, this is not the case about not caring. It is the case of not a big news item for the dutch. Natalee’s case is hot in the US because it is about an american girl that has gone missing.

      In the Netherlands we are thousands of miles from Aruba and sadly we have our own disappearance/child murder cases to contend with. There has been attention in our media but unlike the US we don’t have “emotion-TV-magazines” like Nancy Grace or Greta van Susteren. We don’t have 24 hour news cable programming. Almost all of our news is done by “the news” itself and backgrounds to the news and they are almost always current and either about the Netherlands or about big current issues in the world. Sad but true is that for the regular dutch viewer Natalee’s case is only news if something actually happens. If nothing happens then the newsmedia focus on what is current and newsworthy.

      This is not about not caring, this is about:

      1. distance (far from the Netherlands)
      2. issue (might be on Aruba but Aruba barely ever makes the news here so events on Aruba are not big news here)
      3. current news climate (all programs focus on current and big news items and if nothing new happens in any case, even dutch ones, those items don’t make the news-media)

    76. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 4:55 pm

      Hi, Rammstein,

      I am glad that Natalee was not portrayed in a negative manner.

      I wrote that comment because a few Dutch commentators said that she was.

    77. FL on October 2nd, 2006 5:03 pm

      @JusticeforNatalee (76): I think that was based on the reputation of Robert Jensen. I saw this interview and noticed it was one of the rare moments Robert was serious.

    78. Mike on October 2nd, 2006 5:20 pm

      Who in there right mind would want to go to Aruba AKA get raped murdered and covered up. You should take the same advice I gave Amsterdammned earlier and shut the hell up. No one cares here about your negative thoughts, and how you crap island is beautiful and perfect. The definition of perfect last time I checked didnt say a damn thing about murder,rape and cover-up now does it. Or do you interpert things to fit your own needs? After all, you are from Aruba so this would be about par!

    79. LilPuma on October 2nd, 2006 5:32 pm

      I wanted to remind everyone that this site has received many positive and supportive comments about Beth Twitty from Dutch posters, and we are thankful they took the time to express their support and concern for Natalee’s family. I also know that if an Aruban or Dutch person disappeared in the US and the police not only bungled the investigation, but treated the family with so much disrespect, even dishonesty, many many Americans would be expressing their anger along with any concerned citizens of The Netherlands or Aruba.

    80. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 5:47 pm

      Hi, have read your posts at BFN. Amsterdamned like to come here fairly often and tell us how much Holland doesn’t care about Natalee Holloway. Just want him to be aware that we, too, have other things on our mind than the “beautiful (???) island of Aruba” and its dwindling tourism. We don’t care any more than the Dutch do about Natalee, just too busy as you say.

      Yes, most of us have been to Aruba but are never going back. Place sucks now. Most of the beaches are manmade you know, created by the resort developers. The rest of the island looks like a dump and that’s how all of it was before the resort area was developed in the 1980′s. And too many druggies all around. And take a look at those derilicts just waiting to prey on tourists!! See poster on front page of this forum for horror photos.

      And both of you, her name is Natalee Holloway. You never can seem to get that right.

      We are just too busy in this country as well to care about your island and its sleazy economy sustained by drugs, money laundering, gambling and online porn. As far as anger, I’m not the one trying to start fights on a forum. But we do have this thing called free speech and if you don’t like what I have to say or any of the other posters, don’t read it. I surely won’t care if you do or not.

      So let’s just each country worry about our own problems, right? Well, you have done the worst to Natalee Holloway that you can do. Now it’s our turn to take our shot back at you. See how that works? They say payback is a bitch. Or is that beach?

      And Aruba can kiss that online gambling good-bye. But cheer up, you have those fun Dutch tourists coming now that they can get the cut rate 75% off deals. What more could you ask?

      Oh, and be sure to watch your drink when in Aruba. It is well known common knowledge that drinks are routinely drugged at certain locations. Even your Aruban Law Enforcement says this but for some odd reason, they don’t even try to stop it. Guess it spoils the boys fun.

    81. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 5:52 pm


      If Natalee was not portrayed negatively in the Dutch media, how come the discussions at the newspapers all kept calling her a Breazah Slut?

      Could you translate that for me? It must mean something nice if they were not protraying her nagatively, right?

      And if I saw it, so did you. And I saw if over and over and probably could go find it for you right now on a few of those newspaper forums.

    82. Sharon Chicago on October 2nd, 2006 5:54 pm

      That creep Joran…. ran home to mommie when he heard Beth was in town/Holland…. Scared she might show up at his door step to haunt him like her daughter Natalee does in the week hours of the morning….. keep on running Joran because it won’t end until you are behind bars where you belong!

    83. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 6:09 pm


      I understand you completely, trust me. I am proud to be an aruban girl and I will always love the island. I have always defended Aruba and will always defend the island BUT Esther this is about a young girl who disappeared on our island and our ALE first reactions to her mother was: Oh, go relax and have some drinks in CnC’s, she will come back with crackheads.
      These kind of people are the ones being paid to protect our fellow arubans and visitors?? How would you have reacted??

      Our Ale didn’t care to search for Natalee in the first 48 hours, because they thought : oh well, she will show up later. I mean how unprofessional can you be? And not only that…our reaction was the worst. Instead of helping Beth search for Natalee in the first week, we started the search a week later and we call ourselves the one happy island? Well, I didn’t see that. I still remember that in first week, we talking about Natalee as if she was a slut, who ran away and didn’t want to go back home cuz she had fall in love with a local boy. Oh sure, we helped search for Natalee and ok, we supported her…WELL YEAH..after we realised that her daughter may not come home and that something wrong did happen to her! We left Beth alone, when she actually needed us the most. I hope God forgive us for what have put this woman thru. We are going to be punished for what we have done and Aruba deserves it. And yes, it hurts me cuz i love this island just as much as you do but this is the truth adn the truth hurts. Beth is a woman with class, she had to pull up with our shit. Others would have killed us all already! So Esther, i am not attacking you, i want to help you see the truth.

    84. Rammstein on October 2nd, 2006 6:24 pm


      I checked the site of the AD for replies to every Natalee Holloway story almost nobody calls her a braezeh slut. I even did a google search and almost got no hits whatsoever (7 in total of which several had the mention of Natalee in the story but the braezah remark was about another story.

    85. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 6:26 pm

      Rammstein, you should see, there is where they call Natalee a braezah slut.

    86. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 6:29 pm

      and not only that, I also read in REVU that Beth Holloway enjoys all the atention she gets from her daughter disappearance and they also called Natalee a breazah slut.

    87. Tazman on October 2nd, 2006 6:40 pm

      Beth’s interview with Jensen was fabulous!! Beth is very articulate, and has her facts straight.

      To Amsterdamed: You sound dejected that Beth’s interview went so well. Hint: It went so well because she is telling the truth. She has followed the course of the truth and hasn’t waivered or embellished the truth. And, she certainly hasn’t lied.


    88. Tazman on October 2nd, 2006 6:54 pm

      To Esther:

      It doesn’t matter who hasn’t been to your beautiful island of Aruba. Aruba’s beauty or lack of beauty (depending on the source), has nothing to do with the crime(s) committed against Natalee and her family and the cover-up of it. The attitude of the persons in charge of Natalee’s case, their ineptness of the case and the 22 different stories from the 3 pervs has made Aruba appear to be ONE HELL OF AN UGLY ISLAND!! All the beauty that Aruba allegedly possesses won’t be drawing me to it until the SAFETY issue of its tourists is solved. And they can start with solving Natalee’s case.


    89. L.L. Scheppink on October 2nd, 2006 7:05 pm


      I had never seen or heard about this website until I saw the interview of Beth Holloway with Robert Jensen on tv. As a criminal law graduate, this case holds little interest — purely from a legal point of view. From a human point of view it is, of course, a tragedy. I have skimmed through this website, trying to read through as many comments as possible. Undoubtedly, I have missed out on a substantial part but I thought I’d pipe in nonetheless.

      As I said, legally speaking, this case is pretty much blown out of proportion. The case is sad, undoubtedly, but it should have been treated as any other missing persons case but sadly enough, from the start, things seemed to have gone wrong. I have no knowledge of the actual facts of the case (the ones in the files, not the ones in the news) and therefore I cannot make a correct assessment of the situation. However, others who have — such as the noted forensic psychologist Peter van Koppen — claim the Aruban authorities are to blame, at least partially. Emotional responses in cases like these are natural; however, I also feel calling for a boycott and such measures were not in the best interest of the case. Understandable, perhaps, but certainly not the best course of action.

      I’ve seen some ‘semi-legal’ comments on these pages and I’ve decided to let them rest. First of all, it would take too much time to effectively explain the Dutch and Aruban legal systems (which are mostly common but do have differences), also in comparison to the various systems in the US. Second, many of these claims have been based on emotions, often as a reaction to the contribution of another poster and such; it would not be worthwhile to try to counter those as those remarks were often placed ‘in the heat of the moment’. Finally, some comments were (intentionally?) so void of any insight into our legal system, that any serious counter argument would be moot.

      Now, on to the case. Realistically speaking, chances of a real success (as in finding Natalee back alive) are, unfortunately, slim. This does not mean a suspect can be found, of course, which should be a high priority. The Dutch police officers currently assigned to the case should be able to offer a more professional and thorough view on the case. Unfortunately, a substantial amount of time has passed since which certainly does not help the case; then again, older cases have been solved so nothing is impossible.

      Regarding the suspects, especially Joran van der Sloot, I cannot say that their actions have not been suspicious. Twenty-two different accounts on what occurred that evening is suspicious to say the least. Then again, is there enough valid evidence to mark Joran as the prime suspect in this case? The answer is no. Unless more substantial evidence is found, he would never be convicted of any crime; any system that would do so, would be nothing more than a farce.

      What is puzzling, is that if Natalee had indeed been murdered, her body has not been discovered on the island, despite a very thorough searched by members from the Aruban police force, Royal Netherlands marines, coast guard and naval vessels, helicopters and even a pair of Air Force reconnaissance F-16s; Aruba is not that big an island.

      Regarding the apparent lack of interest for the Holloway case in the Netherlands. I cannot deny it is not a top story in the news, but is that so strange? As has been mentioned before, time passes and people who do not find themselves directly or indirectly linked to the case (being close to the case itself or simply out of some form of interest) will tend to forget about the matter until the item is brought back into the media. Does this mean we suffer from a lack of empathy? Of course not, it’s an aspect that is universal; as time passes, people forget. Therefore it is always welcome to see new life being brought to the case by media attention, in this case the interview on television. Will it actually benefit the case apart from renewing its media attention? Probably not but it does provide an incentive to continue working on the case, which is still being done. The matter of success depends on various circumstances, ranging from sheer luck to the cooperation of the local Aruban authorities, but nevertheless, there might still be definite answer.

      And a final note (you must be getting tired of me already) on the coverage of Natalee’s person in the Dutch media. One of the ‘sources’ that has been mentioned here, is, a private website which often has an outspoken opinion on various items in the news, where people are free to comment on those same items. It cannot be considered a serious source for news; papers and television on the other hand have always presented a balanced, fair and decent opinion on the case and the persons involved, as can be expected from independent media.

    90. linda on October 2nd, 2006 7:12 pm porn??
      Sorry I watch dateline all the time.. sexpredators..old man with 14 year old girls.all captured on camera ..all happenin in your please…don’t tell me your country is doing far at this case..we all admit that the ALE SUCKS..but please don’t bash Aruba like this..
      Put your energy in helping find Natalee…instead of posting BS..

    91. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 7:22 pm

      linda, There is porn everywhere. USA,MEXICO,Aruba, Hedo in Jamaica. If you like it you will find it.

    92. linda on October 2nd, 2006 7:26 pm

      Yeah Gretamal..thats what I’m trying to say..

    93. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 7:33 pm


      You can help us out. See #64.

      Please e-mail the Crimestoppers show and request that Beth be invited as a guest.

    94. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 7:36 pm

      Scheepink, GREAT POST !!!!!!!!! Sounds like you know what you are talking about !! I hope you stay aroud and post more often. Luv Kel

    95. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 7:50 pm

      Sorry Linda, but Aruba does have a very large online porn industry with everything from Mr. Pink Productions to the lesser known porn producers and distributes. Paul Brough may have sold his interest in Pink Productions but it was very large for years and was still operational when Natalee disappeared. There was even a conviction in Spain of a man using Aruba as his spot for uploading his porn within the last year.

      There are far fewer restrictions on pornography in Aruba and the Netherlands than in the U.S. and Canada.

      But if you are not aware of this, I suggest you check out a few of the youth on your island who promote such enterprises as, and other major online sources of pornography. Go to their myspace and tickle sites and you will see they are quite proud of doing this.

      It is the truth and there has been a tremendous amount of information posted on just this very subject on this site and others interested in this island since Natalee disappeared.

      And I resent your saying it is BS without even checking it our for if you did you would have found I was telling the truth.

    96. linda on October 2nd, 2006 7:58 pm

      Hey mortella….Whatever…I dont care about online porn right now..I’m not gonna check whatever sites you are suggesting right now..really do not have time for that..but in the meanwhile you have fun at
      I will try to get an answers to what happened to Natalee…

    97. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 8:01 pm

      Thank you for validating that Natalee has in fact been referred to as a Breazah Slut repeatedly and often from the very beginning of her disappearance. I read this many many places early on. It is the only new word in Dutch I have learned. I still did not see the translation for this, Ramm.

      Tell us what it means, please. And l love your “almost” nobody calls her this. If they are still doing so long after the entire country has moved on and forgotten all about that one American girl who went missing (some of us call her Natalee Holloway, others chose not to do so) imagine how it was when this first happened?? That was all I could find among people discussing her disappearance. Several posters in the Netherlands also posted this was true at the time.

      So we should be nice but it is not required of those who would bash and trash Natalee and her family and claim this is an insurance scam, etc. When pigs fly taht will happen. We tried being nice and understanding their system and look where it got us! We would have been better off to have called for a boycott the first week she vanished.

      So much for being nice.

    98. robots on October 2nd, 2006 8:05 pm

      put a sock in it PINK

    99. Joe_Public on October 2nd, 2006 8:06 pm

      It was very clear in the interview that Beth has come to terms with the idea that Natalee’s remains will never be found and she has probably already accepted the notion that justice will ever be served. In my opinion, it is now her mission to make people aware of what happened in Aruba and that the same thing could happen anywhere.

      Joran, Deepak and Satish have already received a life sentence. Their names will become neologisms within the American vernacular.

      It is now to them to seek a reprieve from the perceived sentence by speaking the truth for once in their miserable lives. Tell the truth, or live with the consequences. Thus is life and no legal technicalities will change that reality.

    100. Kris on October 2nd, 2006 8:15 pm

      #89 L.L. Scheppink: Thank you for your post. I’ll just respond to one area of concern that you mentioned–the fact that Natalee’s body has not been found. Did you know that Paulus VDS told the suspects not to worry because where there is no body there is no case? How did he know so soon after Natalee went missing that he could make that statement? That is puzzling. BTW, Paulus VDS would not allow his “compound” to be searched, only Joran’s poolside apartment.

      I can’t stop there–Did you know that there is a photo of who looks to be Paulus VDS sitting next to Natalee at the casino table where Joran VDS was teaching her to play blackjack? What a coincidence. BTW, Anita VDS was in Holland when all this took place.

      Again, thanks for your post and to all other concerned posters from Holland. I was happy to see that Robert Jensen was very respectful to Beth. He follows the case so he knows what she’s been thru.

      All we come here for is Justice for Natalee Holloway!

    101. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 8:32 pm

      mort, How do you know about all these PORN sites ??????????

    102. linda on October 2nd, 2006 8:38 pm

      Mort probably works for Nbc Dateline

    103. ayfit on October 2nd, 2006 8:39 pm

      If Robert’s personality is indicative of the Dutch attitude, I think Beth did well to go there.[thank God she got home safely] Tell me,is Beth Twitty not one of the strongest people you know? My heart goes out to her.It always has.This case will never go cold in my opinion.22 vs one.[one being the truth]Yes it is truly the same old story,the truth doesn’t change,simple as that.Joran what do you take for jetlag? You owe Beth an interview.That little woman is far more than you want,and you just proved it by turning her down.Where’s you courage?

    104. Joe_Public on October 2nd, 2006 8:49 pm

      I was just reading through a thread at another blog that was started by someone living in the Netherlands that is a regular to that blog and the FP of this one. I found it extremely interesting that people would and could change their opinion about this case based upon some chest bounding bravado displayed in the comments of a message board.

      If any aspect of that is true, then there is such a vast intellectual void between the ears of those following this case through the internet that it is a hopeless discussion.

      Instead of all the Dutch this and the American that why not just stop and look at the facts as we know them. Forget which continent you reside for a few minutes and just look at the case. Then express your opinions.

      This whole tit for tat is getting ridiculous!

    105. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 8:50 pm

      linda, LOL

    106. IndyDan on October 2nd, 2006 8:52 pm

      It’s amazing to me that there are posters that want to villify Beth and cheer when the VanDerSloots win at any turn. It’s like it’s sporting event with JoranVanderSloot against Natalee Holloway.
      Does the fact that he successfully kidnapped, raped and murdered her with the hometown support make him the winner? This doesn’t bother you?
      All the groupies that come out in support of this guy like he’s a local hero – I just don’t get it.
      Who are you people so passionately supporting this degenerate?
      Would you want your daughters or sisters dating this seriously sick young man?

    107. IndyDan on October 2nd, 2006 9:02 pm

      There will be justice for all you nah-sayers. If the Dutch don’t find it, some vigilante will. JoranVanDerSloots days are numbered, maybe the casinos in Aruba should start giving odds what age JVDS meets justice.

    108. Richard on October 2nd, 2006 9:03 pm

      Poster 89 … you say that you do not think that calling for a boycott was in the best interest of solving the case.

      Review the actions, inactions, missteps and cover-ups by the Aruban government from DAY ONE … and then tell me what other tactic Americans could have chosen to use?

      Remember, Dave Holloway initially opposed the boycott even as Beth supported it. I believe that it was not until some six months into the “investigation,” when Aruba suddenly came up with the statement that it never before had raised … “Hey, we don’t run the investigation, Holland does. Go cry to them if you don’t like the way things are being done” … that he KNEW he was being played around with.

      That ended that.

      Aruba deserves no consideration. Before the Natalee Holloway case, few people, I dare say, had strong opinions about Aruba one way or another. It’s no slur on the average Aruban to say that his government (which IS largely controlled by the Dutch and their patronage system) is responsible for what people think of Aruba now.

      Also please remember the case of Amy Bradley, who vanished from a cruise ship that was docking in Curacao in 1998.

      Indeed, in this we may agree; I think it is more than odd that no crime scene has been found in Aruba. I think it is indicative of a strong likelihood that Natalee was taken off Aruba, just as Amy Bradley was taken from the cruise ship.

      But to say that Joran is unjustly the chief suspect is inane; he and the Kalpoes were the last ones seen with Natalee, and the lies they have used are many and manifest.

      In my opinion, the story behind her disappearence began with them, but probably did not end with them. In any case, they obviously are complicit in what happened.

      I think a tourist boycott of Aruba is absolutely and totally justified … it is almost a matter of common sense, looking at what has gone on there … and I will continue to press for it.

    109. Richard on October 2nd, 2006 9:05 pm

      One has to admire (in a very limited way) Amsterdamned and Mrs. Krass … their names are so indicative of their characters.

    110. MegaShira on October 2nd, 2006 9:24 pm

      @Mortella #97
      Breezahslet is a nickname some people use for teenage girls who love to party. the people who use the word breezahslet are mostly anonymous people who post at the webblog (no style). not a single newspaper/news broadcast uses the word. serious media has never sayed a bad word about Natalee.

      furthermore stop bashing Linda. She has come to this site for quite some time now and she clearly wants to help as much as she can. As a reward she is flamed because she has a different viewpoint on some points in the case.

    111. gulf to bay on October 2nd, 2006 9:38 pm

      Should of stayed home and beat the meat boys. Payback is going to be a bitch. you had other options. But you thought you were untouchable because of your dad’s connections on the island. Watch youre back. Waiting for Karma to lay down a few cards.

    112. Ramlady on October 2nd, 2006 9:39 pm

      Kelmal/Gretamal (AKA John M. and Amsterdam Law): be careful!!!!! Your defense of JVDS, your !!!!!!??????, and YOUR CAP WORDS FOR EMPHASIS are popping up in your Amsterdamned posts!!!!!! You should be more careful!!!!!!

    113. ben on October 2nd, 2006 9:46 pm

      I do not understand the people who come on here and talk bad about Natalee.What if it were your family member,how would you feel.If joran is innocent he would be beging the fbi to give him a lie detector test,i would if i were innocent, and every one called me a murderer.There has to be something wrong with the Natalee haters on here picture your mom or sister being raped and murdered,if you dont understand then why we care you probaly have rape and murder fantasies buried deep in side you.

    114. Tazman on October 2nd, 2006 9:47 pm

      To Scheppink:

      Well spoken. However, its all rhetoric to me!

    115. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 9:48 pm

      mega, ANYBODY who has a different viewpoint is FLAMED. Most of us can take it. Linda is a STRONG person and she can hang with the best of us. GO LINDA !!

    116. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 9:49 pm

      Beth looks great. That is the best I have seen her look. Her hair looks great.

    117. Tazman on October 2nd, 2006 9:50 pm

      To Scheppink:

      Don’t forget, Joran said to Greta that they had done this same thing 20 times before, and that nothing had ever happened. Predators.

    118. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 9:51 pm

      indydan#107, I have heard that for a year now. Well got to run. My favorite show is coming on. ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN !!!! Luv Ya ALL !!!!!

    119. MegaShira on October 2nd, 2006 10:06 pm

      @ayfit #103

      your statement that you thank god Beth is home safely shows you have a very negative feeling about Holland. Why? Holland is a much safer country then the United States.

      Holland has it problems, but it has a much lower crimerate then the USA. (I’m talking about percentage). you probably still believe the stereotype Dutchmen some anti-drug organizations introdused 10 years ago, when it became legal to smoke weed in Holland (other drugs are still illegal). a stereotype that really needs to be changed (just as the stereotype American, a gunblazing cowboy, needs to be changed).

      @ all monkeys

      Big isseus in Holland right now is the upcoming ellection in Holland and the rape/murder of an 15 year old girl (luckely the perpatrator was caught within a few days). If the KLPD is finnished with their investigation on Aruba, I’m sure Natalee will get a lot more atention in the media.

      the reason why nobody hears much about the KLPD while they are doing their investigation is simple. If the KLPD tells to much to the press, possible witnesses can be called fake by defencelawyers, because all of the information in the news. Let them do their job and hopefully they will find something.

    120. Miss-Underestimated on October 2nd, 2006 10:16 pm

      Wow look at all the visitors. That OLD guy on the video with Natalee in the casio, the last night Natalee was seen, boy he looked like a OLD man, receeding hairline, old man type white shirt, just an OLD MAN trying to hit on a young girl. Natalee has not been seen since that nite.

      Who is that OLD MAN?

    121. Minnesota Dad on October 2nd, 2006 10:44 pm


      Are you another paid schill from Aruba Tourism? They frequent here every so often.

      Your post is typical of the arrogance of someone in the law profession.

      The reality is members of your profession, whether in the USA, Aruba, or the Netherlands sometimes utilize the legal system and judges to do “high end ticket fixing”.

      The Natalee Holloway case is a classic corruption cover-up — a classic case of members of the legal profession utilizing the law and connections to the judiciary to ‘fix’ the case.

      Please don’t come to the site and give us ‘attorney speak’. I think you should spend your time looking at the misconduct of the main perpetrator – Paulus Van Der Sloot and figure out under Aruban law how all decisions made to protect and insulate him from this case can be VOIDED due to they were made by a black robed buddy of his.

      It is cases like this that strengthens the distrust for attorneys and judges and legal system as a whole. When they take care of their own, draw out and delay, and practice all of the cover-up techniques. Aruban authorities didn’t ‘screw up’ on this case — they intentionally botched it, destroyed evidence, and protected PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT — the perp.


    122. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on October 2nd, 2006 11:09 pm

      To ,Arubaanse,

      The remote viewer has you in his periscope. Sorry, that’s what he said. Meaning— I don’t know.

    123. ayfit on October 2nd, 2006 11:18 pm

      #119 I am proned to associate Aruba with Holland,Holland is where all the evidence in the NH case was sent,never to be heard from again.Trust me,I want to trust Holland.They are our last hope.Sorry I’m sceptical.Beth deserves answers.For some corrupt government to step in and protect the guilty stuns me. Our government should step in but they haven’t,I don’t get it.This is an open and shut case.22 different accounts of what happened that night,c-mon.We will now learn about Holland.

    124. dennisintn on October 2nd, 2006 11:39 pm

      #l06, indy, “birds of a feather, flock together”. it’s probably as simple as that.

    125. nychic on October 3rd, 2006 1:22 am


      I think Sheppink Was Sincere With This Post -
      The tone was much different than posts from
      others such as “Amsterdam Law”

      I appreciate any factual legal information
      which helps us understand the Dutch Legal System
      without a condescending tone -

      I certainly hope the corruption within the Aruban
      ALE has become a “major concern” for the Dutch -

    126. molly on October 3rd, 2006 2:03 am

      108 Richard, I agree 100%. Your statements line up with our previous posts yesterday. It is very likely that Natalee was handed off to a Mafia creep on Aruba. Who knows what happened after that. However, that theory in no way exhonerates J2Ks.

      molly (in Houston)

    127. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 2:11 am

      To POST # 119

      about Holland being a place with less crime blah blah blahhhhh

      Your full of SNIT



      major European producer of ecstasy, illicit amphetamines, and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe; major source of US-bound ecstasy; large financial sector vulnerable to money laundering

      Holland is much safer, booty. Maybe you consider it safer?
      Whatever. However, please do not come on this blog
      and lie yer friggin tookus off.

      We are used to the lying murdering raping
      Van der Sloots and the Island de Aruba…
      where serial liars are allowed to
      get away with rape and murder
      without be called out on
      the table for it.

      So we are used to Duthc/Aruban ‘pantloads’
      laying it on THICK.

      You will draw back a NUBBIN.

      Natalee Ann Holloway

    128. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 2:29 am

      I wonder why every day that goes by they seem to
      protect Paulus Van der Sloot more and more…

      ( MD is correct. There is something wrong with this )

      and in that same moment…

      I wonder what kind of a ball-less wonder could

      give his son a life sentence?

      His kid, Joran the lying piece
      of excrement… EVEN IF ( a big IF )
      he DID NOT murder Natalee, but would
      have gone to jail for forensic evidence
      of rape… even if that were to happen,
      he was only looking at probably single
      digit KIA PRISON time.


      Instead, this testicle-less DUTCH sweat drenhced disgrace
      tells his son and the two Kalpoes “NO BODY
      -NO CRIME”

      IMO – Permanently etching an X in each kid’s
      forehead for life. Giving his child, and Nadira’s
      kids A LIFE SENTENCE.

      It is my opinion, sooner
      or later there will be an ‘accounting’ for the
      perceived murder and rape of Natalee Ann Holloway.

      A murder and rape that may never ever be legally proven.

      Now if by ‘ACCOUNTING’ you want to interpret
      what I am saying as a LEGAL or ILLEGAL ‘ACCOUNTING’,
      that would be entirely up to you. What do you think?

      Deep down in my heart of hearts, I know it
      is going to happen.

      I only wonder when?

      -Justice 4 Natalee-

      It’s coming.

    129. nychic on October 3rd, 2006 2:37 am

      #119 Mega -

      Please realize that while in Aruba
      Beth Twitty was followed almost the entire
      time she and her family members were on the island -

      It was also reported that Beth received several
      death threats while there and had to change
      hotels twice and eventually I believe she
      had to rent a house to avoid some of the
      “unwanted attention”

      This is the reason why most here worry about
      her when she travels outside the U.S. -

    130. Tazman on October 3rd, 2006 2:55 am

      Paulos took advantage of his position as a judge in training and as someone who knows everyone in the Aruban judicial system. He made sure this case got as screwed up as possible. Just for his son. He should have given Joran and the 2 K’s, et al better advice by turning themselves in and do the prison time. Everyone’s credibility has gone down the drain. Paulos, Karin Janssen, Dennis Jacobs, Dompig, Van Stratten, etc. I can’t even remember everyone else’s names. I am sure I can research back though. So, how is it possible that he loves Joran sooooo much that he was willing to drag all those people down with him? And they were all willing to be dragged down with him? Why didn’t anyone within the judicial system step forward and put a stop to this cover up? Wouldn’t you think that Paulos should of had some sort of integrity and value for life and the law that he would advise Joran and the 2 K’s to turn themselves in instead of saying “no body no case”?. Maybe Shango was right that Joran was the fall guy for someone else. Someone big. Oh, Joran and the 2 K’s are guilty as hell for kidnapping, rape and probably murder. However, someone else of some sort of importance participated as well. I’m just thinking of other ways around this case to try and figure it out. Maybe Paulos’ other son, what’s his name? The one that high tailed it back to Holland. Who is his biological mother? Maybe he did it and he’s related to royalty or someone high up in the government. Maybe that’s the son that Paulos was referring to when he said he would do anything for his son when he was speaking with Dave. I’m just throwing this out there.

    131. L.L. Scheppink on October 3rd, 2006 5:38 am

      @#100 (Kris):

      Admittedly, not finding a body or any tangible forensic evidence is one of the factors that is making this case so hard to solve. The main thing that puzzled me, was that after a thorough search, no clues had been found. According to several people, taking Natalee off the island would have been difficult. Therefore, we can only conclude that either she is still on the island but hasn’t been found yet or she was taken off the island at a relatively early stage. Both are possible, of course, yet it still surprises me that if in the case of the former (her still being on the island), not a single shred of tangible evidence has been found yet; no one is that thorough. Plus, not having a body — like I said — will certainly make it harder, however, it is not impossible. Only recently, a man was convicted of a murder without the body ever being found. It does happen on occasion. Finally, I’m not disputing the rather strange behaviour portrayed by the several suspects in this case; I merely meant to say that if this is all the evidence that’s been gathered, formally speaking, there really isn’t a case (yet).

      @#108 (Richard):

      Why no boycott? It’s rather simple, actually. For a boycott against the island, it means you must hold the entire island — or at least its ruling body — responsible for the events that have taken place. I still say that’s going very far, but I’ll indulge you for now and go along with that. Even then, antagonizing the people who are supposed to come up with a solution never has a positive effect on the outcome. I am sure that were other options, even involving pressure, behind the scenes; openly antagonizing someone will only be met with an adverse response. And a small note on the Aruban government; the Dutch have no influence on that whatsoever. The only things Aruba is dependent on from its mother country — apart from financial aid — is foreign and defence-policy. Hence the reason why it took so long for the Dutch to participate in the case, as we — normally speaking — have no jurisdiction there.

      @114 (Tazman):

      Thank you. And yes, I can see why you think it’s all rhetoric. Unfortunately, at this point, I can’t give any more insight than a review of the facts that have taken place over the past 16 months, possibly in shedding some light on the questions around the various legal systems as we go along.

      @121 (Minnesota Dad):

      I only wished I was being financed by the Aruban tourism board. I’m not. I am no judge, nor am I linked to anyone in this case, I’m simply someone with a legal background that has found a level of interest in this case and hoped to explain some of the aspects to you here. Do I know everything about the case? Certainly not, which I made quite clear in my first post. Do I know a thing or two about legal matters? Yes, and in my (possibly in vain) attempt of rendering some assistance on this board regarding these matters, I tried to explain some of the aspects. Of course, I’m not saying anyone should listen to this, it’s merely meant as a little bit of help. Why the post is to be considered arrogant, I do not know. As I said, I’m not privy to all the details of the case (which I made clear) but I’m not ashamed to say I do have knowledge about the legal profession. If it’s arrogance to explain your job, then so be it.

      Corruption is always a handy thing to slap around but in all honesty, how much evidence — real evidence — has been found to support that theory? Again, not saying the suspects aren’t involved but referring to corruption to clear anyone is a bridge too far in my opinion.

      I believe I’ve covered most of the comments that have been made. Of course, I’m willing to discuss more if wanted.

    132. Amsterdamned on October 3rd, 2006 6:31 am

      # 116 with all respect of your comments but now I am not taking you serious anymore I’ve you are saying Her Hair looks great. Common Gretamal even Beth knows that her hair isn’t anymore that great this blond hair is a liitle bit dead hair, everybody can see that!!

    133. nora on October 3rd, 2006 6:50 am

      SM thanks for putting up the vid. of the interview. I was finally able to see and hear the conviction in Beth,s voice. She is a Mom and even though she may never see Natalee again, she wants answers and we all want those culpable to be brought to justice.

    134. mrskrass on October 3rd, 2006 7:29 am

      61 and your name is justicefornatalee??? Your parents must have been really confused by your birth….

      My surname happens to be Krass and yes, I am maried and therefore a mrs.

      Any questions?

    135. Joe_Public on October 3rd, 2006 7:43 am

      #89 — I wish for once someone with knowledge of the legal systems in Aruba and the Netherlands would come on one of these message boards with some ideas on how a case could be made against the suspects and those that intentionally obstructed justice.

      There is always more than one side to legal issues and that doesn’t matter what system is used. I grow very weary of all the rhetoric that seems to go in circles and is so indicative of what has been wrong with the case of Natalee Holloway from day one.

    136. Ramlady on October 3rd, 2006 8:15 am

      #132 Amsterdamned/Kelmal/Gretamal/John M./Amsterdam Law: Talking to yourselves again are you? Spoken like a true Kelmal. Nice cover though.

    137. SUPER DAVE on October 3rd, 2006 8:26 am

      krass, i pity your husband. seeing how ignorant you are here, i would really hate to see you in real life.

    138. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 9:00 am

      super dave, Don’t feed the TROLLS !!!!!!!!!

    139. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 9:02 am

      Bet said she LOVED Holland. She had nothing to be afraid of in Holland. That is why she went. Now Aruba is a different story.

    140. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 9:15 am

      Amster. LOL !!!!!!! How was your Holiday ???? Welcome back !!!!!!!!!!

    141. molly on October 3rd, 2006 9:20 am

      Tazman (130) I think that you and Shango are right. There is someone big….maybe several someones big. We keep hitting on this over and over. Joran, himself, laughed at Deepak and said, “The same one who controls me, controls you.” That speaks of someone higher up to me. I think that they are caught in some wicked web, initiated by their own lust and perversion. Now they are caught and there is no turning back, unless they want to end up in the cave with Bulldog. They had it going on for a long time (20 girls and nothing bad happened before) but now they are caught in a web of deceit and violence. J2K will be caught, one way or another, either by the authorities (whoever they might be) or by the very ones who control them. Justice will be served. They will ‘get it’ in the end. Just biding my time here at SM.

      Justice for Natalee

      molly (in Houston)

    142. MegaShira on October 3rd, 2006 9:21 am

      @ Carpe #127

      compare these

      with these

      as you see in the rates. Holland IS safer.

      and if you post something about an other country, please also check your own countries info


      world’s largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of heroin, marijuana, and increasingly methamphetamine from Mexico; consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center

      (sorry for this off topic post, but if someone calls me a liar without even knowing what he is talking about, I have to react)

    143. Joe_Public on October 3rd, 2006 9:32 am

      #131 — I believe you said in an earlier post that you were a criminal law graduate. Do you practice law now? Why not make this case a personal challenge from the prosecutorial side of the equation and come up with some creative ways of bringing about justice?

      If you could do so successfully, you might just carve out a place for yourself within the esteemed history of case law.

    144. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 9:48 am

      Mega, Great Post !!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the GOOD work !!!!!We have to set the record straight when people post things that are not TRUE !!!! Luv Ya Kel

    145. dennisintn on October 3rd, 2006 10:02 am

      beauty is as beauty does. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. aruba is not beautiful to me right now.

    146. Mike on October 3rd, 2006 10:15 am

      Gretamal and Linda,
      This is exactly why your sh((edit}} little island is in the state of decline that it is. Because of negative people like you that run off at the mouth about how you are trying to help with finding Natalee, the in the next breath saying all the negative trash about her. Be glad this isnt a disscussion being held around a table in person. If it was i would have to ask to please play a wonderful game that is called “hide and go f{{edit}}your self. Both of you crap ass spineless pukes should do us all a favor and shut the hell up. You are a perfect example of the trash that lives in Aruba. The bad thing is that there are good people there, but thanks to you and the other dip s{{edit}}, you make them all look bad. Keep up the good work idiot!


      SM: I would not be that harsh on Linda … she has been a good sport along the way and informative.

    147. Minnesota Dad on October 3rd, 2006 10:32 am

      #131 Scheppink —

      No evidence???? You really don’t have much take on this case –

      Try some of this:

      The car utilized to transport the girl was being cleaned extensively the morning after the crime. Blood samples taken from Deepak Kalpoe’s car were sent to Holland where they were called “cleaning fluid”.

      Human Forearm bone found by tourist. Sent to Holland…never heard from again.

      Aru-Bay video showing the recovery of a body the same day that Aruban Law Enforcement stated they had a confession and that they were currently recovering. The video then shows Aruban officials destroying the crime scene. To this day, Aruba has not provided a valid answer as to why they were destroying a crime scene.

      The Blood soaked mattress found.

      Paulus Van Der Sloot hitting on Natalee Holloway at the casino hours before she was killed.

      The same belt that Joran utilized in a photo showing him strangling a friend was found on the beach where the murder took place.

      Paulus utilizing his black robed buddies to refuse a search of his premises. Subpoena’s denied. Even after Paulus was arrested as a suspect, Aruban law enforcement would not search his home.

      Two weeks later, pictures show a furniture truck delivering new furniture to the Vand Der Sloot home – a new mattress perhaps???

      Not arresting the clear suspects for 10 days, allowing any potential evidence to be discarded, scrubbed, etc. Instead, arresting a couple of black guys on the words of the three perpetrators that took the girl.

      In a nutshell to get you ‘up to speed’, this case is about a high ranking justice official utilizing his connections and friends to get himself out of a very bad situation he created for himself – and for Aruba. This case is about a small island that lives on tourism and decided to cover-up a crime in order to protect their tourism. It has backfired miserably. In the Internet era — governments must be accountable or pay the price — Aruba is paying the price now for their lack of accountability.

      If you truly know the legal system….you know that there are people like Paulus Van Der Sloot who abuse the system. People who buy off judges – whether through money, free trips, or other perks (perhaps credit lines at Casinos in Aruba???). It happens….and it happened here. This case is so intriguing not because a beautiful girl went missing — but because of the extensive and high reaching cover-up that has taken place to destroy evidence and muddy testimony. We know who the perps are — Aruba knows too.


    148. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 10:52 am

      M Dad

      Don’t you know that those are all figments of our imaginations, just as they have tried to tell us Natalee ran away, left on beach, dropped off in front of HI, went to Jorans house, went swimming and hit head, went to see sharks, went to light house, etc. Pretty soon they may tell us Natalee Holloway was never on the lieland. M Dad who is that OLD man that was sitting next to Natalee in the casino on the last night she was ever seen again? Is that TAPE a figment of our imaginations too.

      The lies in Aruba started with the suspects and continued with the Aruban LE. Dompig can’t decide what happened to Natalee, he has spun a story on us too.

      All those involved and covering up what you did and what happened to Natalee Holloway, may you reap what you sow.


    149. linda on October 3rd, 2006 11:17 am

      Mike..Thank you for your nice words..unbelievable!!! what an attitude..!!!!


      SM: Don’t sweat it Linda … we do appreciate you being on the FP.


    150. Rammstein on October 3rd, 2006 11:19 am


      Amsterdamned is the name of a movie, most likely that is the reason behind that nick.

    151. Rammstein on October 3rd, 2006 11:25 am


      If joran is innocent he would be beging the fbi to give him a lie detector test,i would if i were innocent, and every one called me a murderer.


      maybe you see it this way (and many other too), but as a dutch person I must say that our society is very “innocent until proven otherwise” focused. From a dutch perspective lie-detectors are not needed to prove someones guilt or innocence, evidence does that (as our laws say).

    152. Rammstein on October 3rd, 2006 11:31 am


      Holland is where all the evidence in the NH case was sent,never to be heard from again

      The Netherlands is where all the evidence was sent to and ofcourse you would never hear from the dutch crimelab. All statements about a case are only made by the police and or district attorney handling the case. If they don’t release the results of the forensic investigation then you need to take that up with the Aruban DA/LE, not the NFI or the Netherlands.

      And for that matter some evidence reportedly was also sent to the FBI and they haven’t commented on the evidence either.

    153. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 11:51 am

      Mike, Take 10 deep breaths. Calm Down !! It’s been a long time since you lost it. Have a great day !!! Luv Ya Greta

    154. SUPER DAVE on October 3rd, 2006 12:03 pm

      AMSTERDAMNED: i hear you have kind hair. the kind that grows around a dog’s a{{edit}} !

    155. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 12:55 pm

      davie,Don’t feed the trolls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    156. Sharon Chicago on October 3rd, 2006 1:09 pm


    157. Amsterdamned on October 3rd, 2006 1:20 pm

      I don’t get you super dave because of the edit, but thak you for the compliment in advance super daveeeee!!!!

    158. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 1:36 pm

      sharon, It is to honor Greta for all she has done to get justice for Natalee.

    159. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 2:25 pm

      Thanks for the Who’s Who in Aruba on the forum.


    160. mayan_moons on October 3rd, 2006 2:30 pm

      Hey Carpe!~

      I’ve thought the same thing of how Paul gave his son(s) a life sentence he can never escape rather than be a man & do the piddly couple of years in a jail where you get your blankly.

      Speaking of tatoo’s i was watching Glenn Beck last night & he talked about a guy who molested a little girl named Katie. Last week other prisoners held his ass down & gave this scumbag a jailhouse tatoo that says “Katie’s Revenge” right on his forehead.

      I couldn’t help but think Natalee’s revenge would look soo good on Jipshit & KalPUKES forehead.

    161. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 2:42 pm

      Comment by L.L. Scheppink


      I wonder if you would say technically
      “there is no case”

      …if you had to get
      on a plane to go home WITHOUT a child
      you know should be going home with you?


      Justice for Natalee

      F ARUBA back in to the stone ages.


    162. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 2:49 pm

      moons, DREAM ON !! You must be high today !!! LOL

    163. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 2:53 pm

      Right on, Mayan.

      Justice 4 Natalee

    164. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 2:57 pm


      The murdering raping serial lying

      Dutch scumbags

      the Van der Sloots

      You’ve made your own death beds, now lie in them.

      In your hollow world IS NOT PERCEPTION


      F. ARUBA
      F the NEDERLANDS
      for not taking action.

      You all reap what u sow


    165. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 3:05 pm


      I saw that too. Maybe their onto something.
      Someone should tell Kelfart not to sleep with the blanket over your head.

    166. mayan_moons on October 3rd, 2006 3:10 pm

      type in katie’s revenge

      thanks to that Frankenstein forehead you got there be plenty of room for ALL your victims Jipshit!

    167. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 3:17 pm
    168. mayan_moons on October 3rd, 2006 3:17 pm

      Albert Einstein: “The world is a dangerous place not because of those who do evil but because of those who look on and do noting”

    169. mayan_moons on October 3rd, 2006 3:23 pm

      oops nothing*

    170. Arubaanse on October 3rd, 2006 3:26 pm


      To ,Arubaanse,

      The remote viewer has you in his periscope. Sorry, that’s what he said. Meaning— I don’t know- waterboy.


      What do you mean?? I didn’t get it.

    171. Sharon Chicago on October 3rd, 2006 3:39 pm

      GRETA-MAL…KEMAL… why not just change your name to Mr. Adversity…or … Mr. Negative… or ????

    172. mayan_moons on October 3rd, 2006 3:48 pm

      It suits him well Miss-U….

      I don’t care what this idiot says, alot of people are suffering on aruba & one day they will unleash on these punks. Its human nature and just a matter of time!

    173. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 4:06 pm


      Holland has some pretty liberal views, that may very well be why they (vds) beat feeted it to Holland. Joran still comes to Aruba to party and from the looks of it, no one in Aruba gives two turks about it. But Moon, time is on our side. Patience is a virtue and Karma is a bit-ch

    174. chris on October 3rd, 2006 4:13 pm

      This used to be a very good place to discuss sanely all the problems with Natalee’s case. It has turned into nothing better than some idiot’s assinine pastime. Many of you that were here when I started a year ago have given up because I feel that Klaasend had much rather listen to the child, and he is a kid, no doubt in my mind about that, than anyone making any kind of sense.
      To use 3-4 different aliases and he thinks we don’t recognize who he is is a sure sign of his stupidity.
      He has the nerve to tell us not to feed the trolls when he is the biggest, dumbest of the few on here.

      Klaas, you always are kind enough to respond to Arubaanse and Linda, why not give me the courtesy by telling me why you all continue to have him waste your space…..chris

    175. Amsterdamned on October 3rd, 2006 4:25 pm

      Bed time her in the netherlands. I hope you will solve this Natalee Holloway case finally tonight. You do wonderfull work. Bye Bye

    176. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 4:26 pm

      Chris, Sounds like you are having a BAD DAY. Sorry about that. Luv Ya Greta

    177. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 4:44 pm

      Amster, Good Night. Luv Ya!!!!!!!!1

    178. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 6:24 pm

      One of the best things
      the Holloway case had
      going for it though…

      was the fact that Joran is in fact
      such a stupid effin moron – Who is
      completely in love with himself.

      …and also that his father is
      such a limp peter excuse
      for a man – that he couldn’t
      stuff a sock in his son’s
      toxic waste dump of a mouth!

      -stop me when I get to the part that is not the truth-

      While the Natalee case would
      be pushing forward regardless
      of the murdering raping serial
      lying Van der Sloot kid…

      (and he is a kid
      - he reminds me of a big puppy just growing
      in to his overly large ears and paws – rofl )

      Joran makes it so EASY FOR US
      to keep relentlessly droppin’
      da hamma on him.

      I wonder WTF would
      happen if he shut
      his trap like the
      2 Kalpones?

      I probably never find out. ;)


    179. IndyDan on October 3rd, 2006 6:28 pm

      #174 chris: I agree 100%. It’s like SPAM and it’s time Red, Tom and Klaas applied a filter or two. I’ve posted here in support of Natalee and her family since last November but the SPAM posts from this one juvenville little kid is starting to make it impossible to read the serious posts. I don’t mind a post from a troll or two but this kids messages fill up the thread every other post.

    180. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 7:19 pm

      This nasty image comes from
      the INFAMOUS

      BAG IN THE BASIN footage of Video 510-24

      This is one of the heads in the bag
      that has an extending tongue poking
      out in what looks like a sign
      of struggle. A strip of tape
      appears to be dangling from
      the chin area.

      I’ve taken some heat
      for showing people
      what I see and where
      I see it in this gosh
      awful video from Aruba… & Jimmy Crack Corn
      Up On THIS beeyatch.

      I don’t friggin care.

      I hope I am wrong, and if so so be it!!! This is awful.


      What we are seeing IS NOT NORMAL.

      It is coming from the POND and WATER BASIN

      near the area of the MARIOTT ARUBA,

      where the Kalpoes last admit taking
      Natalee with Joran Van der Sloot.

      I see dismembered bodies in this bag.

      In other photographs ( all of which
      I have gleaned from the 510-24 Video )

      I see what appears to be sign of
      what appears to be rape or beating activity
      down by the water’s edge.


      These are only a fraction of the haunting
      images I have created of the 510-24

      which can be found here… I
      have a library of what I have
      made notes of.


      I think the Aru-Bay Videos were created
      to protect the Security Guards &
      toss the predators in the hot oil. ( if needed )

      I think they should be looked at
      as a telling story of what happens to
      young tourist girls that get unlucky
      enough to meet Joran Van der Sloot
      and others like him who prey on
      tourist girls and women for

      More precisely – I think the
      510-24 Video was created to show
      you what happens to victims at

      The video I do not think
      was solely created to show you
      certaintly HORRIFIC enough all by itself-

      The CAM person – I think is also trying
      to show you the other side of the pond -
      also the area down past the BODIES IN THE BASIN
      where there appears to be what I believe
      a rape or beating in progress down by
      the pond’s edge.

      This all happens within a stone’s throw
      of THE MARRIOTT ARUBA. When the cam
      pans down the road – the MARRIOTT is easily in

      This is all roughly within the
      same area where Paulus admits
      bringing a bag to Joran
      on the evening of
      MAY 30TH 2005.



    181. ayfit on October 3rd, 2006 7:21 pm

      #152- Rammstein-Thanks,I stand corrected,this gives me new confidence. Beth needs answers in the worst way.After the interview on Holland tv,I just wanted to melt. I thought Robert was very professional.I liked the way he came across.Hey, if Beth loves Holland,so do I.God Bless Beth Twitty.

    182. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 7:39 pm

      ayfit, I love Holland too.

    183. linda on October 3rd, 2006 7:42 pm

      Gretamal..ever been to Holland??

    184. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 7:48 pm

      linda, No but I would LOVE to go.

    185. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 7:49 pm

      linda, No but I would LOVE to go.
      I take that back. I have been to Holland. Holland Michigan. Every year they have a tulip festival. It is very beautiful.

    186. linda on October 3rd, 2006 7:55 pm

      Kelmal..Holland isn’t really nice..The states is way much nicer..not only the people but also nature etc..There is not much to see in Holland ..cows..grass..cows..hehe
      I will be going to Las Vegas in November..first time..I already booked some shows..Ray Romano is the first show I’m going to..can’t wait to go..

    187. linda on October 3rd, 2006 7:56 pm

      Oh Yeah and Tulips ofcourse….

    188. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 8:45 pm

      I think if the REMOTE VIEWER has his
      periscope focused in on Arubaanse
      … it is because he/she is admiring
      what a beautiful soul she has.

      A person as solid as Arubaanse
      seems to be — throws off a lot
      of bright light and is a great
      addition to this world!

      I think Linda is a bright light too.

      I am happy they both choose to contribute to SM each day,
      and look forward to their posts and
      real honesty.

      -Justice 4 Natalee-


    189. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 8:48 pm


      Who the FRIG is the ‘REMOTE VIEWER’


      is he like the 13Q SECRET SANTA MONEY PERSON???

      If I guess it correctly…

      DO I WIN A PUMPKIN, bro bro?

    190. Allan K on October 3rd, 2006 9:19 pm

      #89 Yes I am tired of you. You might as well said that to yourself

    191. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 9:33 pm


      I hope that the right people are looking at your work. Something very strange indeed.
      I admire your work

    192. linda on October 3rd, 2006 9:44 pm

      Carpe Noctem so nice of you!!

    193. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2006 9:54 pm

      How come Cliff Van can’t be questioned by the FBI regarding his comments about Natalee’s body being found and disposed of as a favor to Paulus?

      BTW what happened to Frank and Grande, I am happy I saw Pearl post.

      We will find out who that Old man is, we will OLD Man

    194. JusticeforNatalee on October 3rd, 2006 10:19 pm

      #89 Scheppink

      IF there is a lack of physical evidence against Joran and the Kalpoes, it is because they were given ten days to get rid of it.

      Also, many Americans suspect corruption because ALE 2 innocent security guards even though ALE knew that Joran and the Kalpoes lied about the Holiday Inn dropoff. ALE couldn’t be THAT stupid but they could be that corrupt.

    195. JusticeforNatalee on October 3rd, 2006 10:20 pm

      #194 left out word: “arrested”

    196. JusticeforNatalee on October 3rd, 2006 10:22 pm

      Linda and Arubaanse,

      Are you still planning to send a hard copy letter in Dutch to the Crimestoppers show? I hope you do it. Great idea!

    197. molly on October 4th, 2006 12:32 am

      174:179: Vote me in, too. I’m sick of this stupid troll-baby. It is nauseating. No one should be taking advantage of this blog in order to be obnoxious and annoying. This is a serious discussion, for the most part. I can imagine this stupid troll laughing after posting such assinine statements. He/she/it is just here to bother people, not to promote Justice for Natalee.

      Linda, so sorry that someone would even think to put you in the same paragraph with kelmtroll. How insulting.

      molly (in Houston)

    198. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 1:08 am

      Hey Carpe!

      On the still up there identified as close-up on the thing from the Black Lagoon i see 1 person who appears to be laying on the ground or rock with the legs being held apart. The legs illuminate as white and are extended enough to make out that part of the body.

    199. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 1:16 am

      The legs are extending to the right of the still & the head to the left.

      I also see a person standing in between those legs. That person has dark hair & is wearing a white T-Shirt.

    200. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 1:22 am

      I also see that person has either white socks & shoes on or just white sneakers with no socks.

    201. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 2:03 am

      Jipshit & the Old Man were wearing white that night.

    202. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 2:08 am

      Jurine wearing a white T-Shirt & Paules a thin white short sleeve & white trousers.

    203. L.L. Scheppink on October 4th, 2006 3:35 am

      Well, I’ve tried. Any nuances applied to the case, the worth of the available evidence and an attempt to explain the way things go seem to go to waste, mostly. There are some open-minded and friendly people here, but there are also a lot who aren’t, snapping at anyone who doesn’t fall in line with the ‘majority’ crowd, with any different view being labelled as ‘arrogant’ or worse. I’m sure you all mean well but apart from some insight, I don’t have that much to offer or discuss. Apparently, this isn’t appreciated, which I don’t mind. If it had been factual arguments, like some have presented, I would’ve liked to have tried to counter them. Unfortunately, the bulk of the arguments were emotional. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be emotional, but it is impossible to persuade emotional posters their arguments might not be entirely correct.

      So, anyway, I wish you the best and good luck. I’ll still be following the case if I can, as I’m still interested, but further comments seem to be futile.


      SM: Open minded is not defined as having to agree with you. Couldn’t the same be said about how you may feel about what others state that you do not agree with?


    204. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 3:41 am

      I see several more people aswell….atleast 2 or 3 behind the head of the person laying down…..the arms are outstretched as if being held there by the 2 or 3.

    205. Minnesota Dad on October 4th, 2006 10:28 am


      Thanks for stopping by Paulus.

      I would have liked an answer to my question regarding your experience with the legal system and if you feel in fact there are people like Paulus Van Der Sloot who utilize their connections and payoffs to manipulate the legal system. People who are highly connected to Judges and Law Enforcement officials that need a “high end ticket fixing”.

      You didn’t answer this question — which is quite simple. Again, thanks for stopping by Scared Monkeys Paulus. Hopefully the Dutch investigators have a little more of a conscience than Aruban officials whom you have coopted and the Dutch will do what needs to be done: VOID all judgements made by Paulus’ black robed buddies (with clear, overwhelming conflict of interest) in order to distance and insulate him from this case.

      Paulus is your perp…

    206. JusticeforNatalee on October 4th, 2006 10:49 am

      #72 Esther

      Gerald Dompig, Jan Van der Straaten, and Karin Janssen all told us in their statements that Natalee was dead.

    207. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2006 1:55 pm

      G. Dompig: “These three are guilty as hell”
      Referring to Joran Van Der Sloot
      Deepak Kalpoe
      Satish Kalpoe

    208. SUPER DAVE on October 4th, 2006 2:13 pm

      #203. i see you have been staying up late too. writing and rewriting your statements so they make some sense to you maybe ? just like amsterdam law, you would have us believe that you are some kind of scholar. your efforts are fruitless. everyone knows that this is a pro Natalee site and if you try otherwise, you will be shot down.

    209. SUPER DAVE on October 4th, 2006 2:17 pm

      #19. amsterdamned der sloot again? seems you have a follower in #203.persistent little weasel aren’t you ?

    210. Carpe Noctem on October 4th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Thanks Mrs. U. I hope we can get
      the right people to look at this too!


      Anytime. Glad you’re here.

      Linda ;)


      #203 You disperse enough hot gas to keep
      American prices down for a LIFETIME.

      I don’t mean to be rude but, go P. OFF
      and take a flying leap,
      ya blowhard weed-whacker.



      I hadn’t looked at it that way before, thanks!

      Joran wears sneakers without socks!!! What a
      perfectly great way to quickly stink up a decent
      pair of sneakers.

      Oh yes, here is to the
      J-FUNK Aruba. Holler,
      if ya hear us?


      Boycott It, baby!

    211. Maggie on October 4th, 2006 4:17 pm

      There’s an old saying, it’s ok to be open minded, but not so open minded all your brains fall out.

    212. GretaMAL on October 5th, 2006 1:18 pm

      maggie, Great point. Example: Looking at the videos!!

    213. Anneke on October 6th, 2006 5:41 am

      Well no real newspaper created a follow-up to the interview that I am aware of. Jensen is a show with electronic Hee-haw and one may consider that it hurt Beth’s case more than it did any good.Despite the fact that Jensen was not in his usual boisterous mode it seemed a bit screwy to see him to be unnaturaly serious.
      What colour eyes does Beth have anyways? On the show they were very dark and in the photographs they showed they were a clear blue.

    214. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2006 12:22 pm


      You’re a natural born theologian.

    215. Amsterdamned on October 8th, 2006 7:04 am

      # 213 Anneke you are right nobody cares anymore about the holloway case and a lot of people are bored with the whole story, it’s over and back to business again, like what to do with the unemployment of the native aruban youth etc etc

    216. Carpe Noctem on October 8th, 2006 6:57 pm

      Only slit throat Van der Sloots and Kalpoes are done with this case.

      I personally hope that each guilty person
      gets a few quick ones to the head when
      they least expect

      Then this would be finished.

      …then again, for me hope springs eternal.

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