RSSAruban Education System, WOW …You think this may be an Issue?
From Amigoe, September 27, 2006 … this is an eye opener. This is almost criminal. How 
do these kids ever get a chance? If our children are our future, what does this say?
50 Percent of six-graders too old
ARUBA – 50 Percent of all the six-graders is too old, says MPA- leader Monica Kock. She bases this on the figures of the Education department. Chances are that these students become drop outs or will start working, because due to their age, they can no longer be admitted on secondary schools.
MPA is of the opinion that in order to prevent that this development becomes a trend, the government will have to take actions soon. In 2004-2005, 49.6 percent of the six-graders were older than 12 years; 45.4 percent of the fifth-graders were older; and 43.2 percent of the fourth-graders. MPA says that the figures are from the Education department. “The problem is that 14- and 15-year olds are in the same classroom with 11-year olds. Another problem is that these children are considered too old for the secondary school”, concludes Kock. She says that chances are that these children become either drop outs or start working. There are already children that stop going to school after the sixth grade or that do not even finish the last grade of the elementary school. “We are not only talking about illegal children, but also Aruban natives”, says Kock.
Posted September 27, 2006 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, Child Welfare, Education, WTF | 41 comments |
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what grade was the sloot boy in the 6th ? he at least has the education of JETHRO CLAMPETT !
Detroit has a drop out rate of 60%. So I don’t think this is such a big deal.
The problem is that 14- and 15-year olds are in the same classroom with 11-year olds.
Yeah you get those 11 years learning to gamble, drink, and drive before the age of law.
This is terrible. A lack of education means no job skills, menial jobs at best. Breeding grounds for drugs and high crime rates. Until now Aruba’s been most excellent at keeping it’s dirty secrets to itself. The Happy Island seems to be imploding with infra-structure problems. What the heck have the Dutch been doing for that island? Too busy laundering money to help the islanders. Keeping the poor impoverished and the wealthy richer.
MISS-u, Sounds just like a place to go on SPRING-BREAK, doesn’t it ?????
para2, It is the same for EVERY island in the caribbean not just Aruba.
Yep Kelmans sounds like a place where they don’t give 2 turds about the citizens of the lieland. Its all about fleecing and greasing their little crooked palms.
If they don’t care about their own, why would they care about Natalee.
BTW Kelams where you at today, Milwaukee?
MISS-u, That’s all they ever cared about. MONEY. Send your kids down here on spring break and give them LOTS of $$$$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BRIGHTON, MICHIGAN About 1 hour from DETROIT !!!
The reason for this is because we have a lot of people from South America..who don’t speak Dutch..so their kids neither.
The lesson in school are all dutch..Like my kids speak Dutch and are doing great in school..some of their friends are from Colombia or Venezuela and its really difficult for them to understand everything..Its sad though..Cause I know that some of these kids are really smart..
It would probably be better to have a school special for those who only speak spanish..which is a far more important language then Dutch..
linda -
Thank you for the explanation -
Wouldn’t it be more beneficial to teach in English ?
If Aruba is dependent on tourism and supposedly 80%
of the tourists are said to be (or used to be)
American – you would think that more job opportunities
would be available to residents who spoke English ?
Yeah English even better..But then still those kids will have a problem..
I help my kids with their homework..tests etc..It doesnt matter if it is in English..Spanish..Dutch..or Papiamento..cause I speak and understand those languages..So I can explain them everything and help them
Those Parents only speak Spanish..They can not help their kids..even English would be a problem
Then there is International School..but thats way to expensive..
Kelmal … So are you saying that Aruba is comparable to an inner city environment?
I am sure many vacationers would love to know that is the case.
R
Remember, Aruba does a traffic in Children, any local girl who is taken has to submit and when she disappears it is not reported. So why worry about their education? They are there to serve the Drug people and their operations….which is about as low as you can go. And people still take their families to this Nightmare place for a vacation?
#11, Linda
“Those Parents only speak Spanish” you state …Are you saying that almost 50% of the elementary school students in the Arubian educational system are children of Spanish speaking immigrants? If this is the case, there is excessive immigration in Aruba and Hispano Americans are taking over your island.
But, lets not forget that recently the Ministry of Education reported that Arubian students have problems when going to college in the Netherlands, because of deficiencies in basic subjects and the Dutch language. Also, Arubian high school graduates that come to the US tend to go to small private sectarian schools in Florida, usually NOT recognized for their academic standing. So maybe the Arubian educational system deteriorated also under status aparte, in as much as it doesn’t prepare its students for the competitive educational market that seeks for academically competent, well-rounded high school graduates.
So, most likely the “young men” attending 5th grade include Arubians too. Satish is one of the laggards. He was 19 last year, and still in school. So is Guido; at 19 he was a Croupier, but not a high school graduate. And these two are just two examples. They don’t come from Spanish speaking homes, yet they are behind in school.
Let’s just summarize here and say Aruba isn’t a place to get an education. It’s a haven for drug dealers, criminals from neighboring third world countries and predatory Dutch opportunists looking to take advantage of the non-existant law enforcement. This whole island is just one criminal element feeding off another.
It’s not a stretch for Joe Blow to say Joran was a straight A student. When you major in creativity for drugging, kidnapping and raping tourists, He does excel.
hey kelmal, ain’t that close to wear twink mr. pink lives?
you could visit eachother on the weekends and play games
of grabass and hide the falafel! this is what u enjoy, no?
keep giving us more details of brighton,mi that could be plucked from any common atlas or travel book. we are just yawning to hear about it. ya big overgrown effin dork…
Linda, thanks for the information. I’m curious; does the “average Aruban” have a strong feeling about the immigrants, one way or another? Rightly or wrongly, are they associated with many of the problems on Aruba, etc?
Sl-Gloria you are right..Some Arubans just don’t speak Dutch..cause their parents never used it at home..So yes Its not only the Spanish speaking..but also the Aruban Students..Its more difficult for them if their Dutch isn’t good enough..I would be almost the same if you or your kids would get your school education in Spanish..its not easy..
Satish is from Surinam..same problem..their Dutch is better then most of the Aruban.but still not good enough to make it in school..
To get an idea..My oldest son is 10 years right now..he has 24 kids in his class..11 are from Colombia..one Dutch..the rest from Aruba..5 of these Aruban kids are already 12 years old..way to old.
Its abig problem here..and I really hope for the sake of those childrens future that there will be a solution to this problem
Hi Richard..The Aruban woman really do not like the Colombian woman..thats a fact..hehhe..You know why?? Think you can guess it already..They say that most Aruban man cheat..and almost always with a Colombian..or latina girl..
I personally do not have anything against the Latinas..But I do understand the Aruban woman..those girls are really after the Aruban man..for money..permit etc..so can be annoying sometimes.
Ok can’t generalize..ofcourse not all are like that.
As far as discrimination..I saw worse in Holland..I think Aruba is doing fine..
We all have to understand that these people are here to work..make money and send it to their family back..they really have nothing in their own country..I know a lot of hard working honest Latinos..and I have a lot of respect for that
Linda,
Not having parents that speak Dutch may be a hassle for the slow learner. But even though, if the Ministry of Education were on top of things, the problem should have been detected before the 15 year old got to 6th grade, and an island wide elementary remedial program could have been instituted.
The average student should be able to handle a bilingual education without negative consequences, even if the school language is not spoken at home. In the past, many Arubians that have children in school now, obtained an education in Dutch, even if their parents didn’t speak the language at home.
Today, the International School of Aruba probably has children obtaining their education successfully in English, even if some of the parents don’t speak this language. Likewise, many children around the globe go to schools such as Le Lycà ©e Franà §ais, and many of the parents can’t even say Bon Jour.
The “teaching” language not being spoken at home is a hindrance at the alphabetization level, but definitely not the main problem. What Aruba is experiencing most likely has its origin most likely in a decrease in the quality of its educational system.
But anyways, aren’t there vocational schools in Aruba for the elementary school students with moustaches and sideburns?
Sl-Gloria..It seems that you know a lot about education..so you are probably right..we can al see that there is problem here…I just thought because of the language..but there is probably more to it..as you just said.
Holland should do something about..but Holland doens’t want to do anything lately.
Well, Linda at least they are admitting there is a problem. I have no idea what causes it . How are you doing there ? Is the drop in tourism being felt ? Can you see it
in your circle ?
linda -
There is one thing about all of this that is
very commendable – that most of the children
in Aruba are learning more than 1 language -
If your children are fluent in Dutch, Spanish,
English and Papiamento – that is excellent by any standards -
—-
SL-Gloria -
Was Guido’s job as a Croupier an internship ?
I do not recall where I read that – but I did
find it somewhat unusual ?
Did Mr.Posner grant internships in the casino ?
Did Guido ever make it to modeling school ?
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/
Link to Slideshow of Natalee Holloway case
Scroll down a bit (right past AMW)
Starts out: “Natalee’s Last Night”
Wonder if Guido Attended This Event in Amsterdam
Last Month ? Anyone See Him In This Pic:
http://tinyurl.com/z6n8o
Thanks for the info, Linda. Is there a general consciousness of “them” vs. “us”? And if the average Aruban thinks that there is a drug problem on the island (what constitutes a drug problem is up for discussion, of course), is it generally thought to be because of “them”?
I’m just trying to get general ideas here … not so much what can be proven or disproven. It’s what’s in people’s minds that is of interest. And, of course, people everywhere blame “outsiders” for problems.
Kelmal is not in Michigan, he is in Holland. He puts out enough wind to drive all their windmills at full capacity, 24/7.
Kelady likes to come here a get everyones pants in a twist.
I refuse to let Kelmac get the best of me. Read her posts and read between the lines you can see the digs in there. Keeps things spicy.
Kelmar Luv ya
vietvet, that was toooo funny about that troll….
Sharon Chicago,
Beth’s interview (Holland) will be shown TODAY (not yesterday as originally stated).
Here is a link to the video archives of Jensen’s show:
http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/video/
It takes TWO days for the videos to be posted.
Linda, #21:
It would be great if Holland did more to further the education of Arubian children, but the fact is, Aruba made a choice in 1986, and even if the independence process has halted, it is internally on its own, so maybe the Fatherland has no business interfering in Arubian educational affairs.
It seems to me that institutionally, Aruba is like a teenager that wants to have the cake and eat it too. It wants freedom, yet when in trouble expects unconditional help from the parents.
Nychic, #23:
I read about Guido’s internship also, but I am not 100% sure if he was an intern or not. I imagine all casinos have trainees, and perhaps Guido was one of them. Maybe Kelmal, the Guru of Casino Rules and Regulations and Ph. D. in Arubian Island Talk could enlighten us.
With regards to Guido and modeling school, he could have made it, because he can afford it, but modeling is a profession for the young. They usually start at 14-16, and besides, I doubt he’ll make it to the runaways; he’s kind of chubby for a model and he slouches.
Mortella..You can’t compare the States with a little tiny island like Aruba..I hope your school system works better..would be a shame if it wouldn’t ..
Sl-Gloria..Again you are right..But still Holland can do somthing..like we help our teenage kids..Aruba will never make it on their own..even though they made the decision back then..
And it’s not just Aruba but the education in the Netherlands is not the same as ten years ago. Many highschools dropouts and then you have to government that does not invest in the education. Kids that don’t speak Dutch. For many years our education system has been on the same level as in the netherlands and that was one of the best in the world. This is something worldwide cuz the Netherlands is not the only country in Europe dealing with this problem.
But ok, this is about Aruba, so ok, I know that it is not fair to say that all latino kids are doing bad at school but most of them have to repeat classes because they don’t understand the language, most of them don’t even speak papiamento but I think that they should give these kids a chance and not immediately think: oh they don’t speak the language well to bad”". Something like a summerschool to learn Dutch, english and papiamento or afterschool class or instead of 1 o’clock make 2 or 3 o’clock should help. The problem when the kids come to aruba, they will have to start all over again and that is why at the time they reach 6th grade they are too old. That is what i have seen in my class all the time. They come don’t speak and they don’t speak the language and guess what? Even tho, they are smart kids and did well in their country, they will have to start all over again in Aruba or in the Netherlands, which is a shame.
One more thing…hi linda how are you dushi? I want to say something about the immigrants in Aruba. Linda, you really think that Arubans don’t have bad feelings about the immigrants in Aruba? I know it’s wrong to think like that, because not all of them are like that. Not all of them go rob, kill people but it’s a fact that they are the ones responsible for mayority of the crimes happening there. Arubans are not happy that there is so many immigrants, it did change Aruba in a good and bad way. No one can mention the good things, they only want mention the bad things. Like for example, many arubans feel that they brougt bad influences to the island. So yes, there is some racism going on.
What i meant with the 1 O’clock, is that the elementary school finishes around that time.
yep old kelmode plays both sides of the fence. an untrustworthy person. acts just like john m with snide remarks and know it all attitude.
i’ve learned to ignore her, him, it or whatever .
weren’t we just bombarded last year with bragging about how great the aruban education system is? of course we’ve also been bombarded about how great the judicial system is, and we’ve all seen how that worked out. the 50,000 florins fraudulently awarded paulus would have paid for a lot of extra teaching help for kids. but dutch aruba does have it’s own agenda and priorities.
dennisintn
Dennis, Yes, indeed we were called the uneducated Americans constantly by both the Arubans and Dutch. After seeing Joran as an Honor Student, I have come to disbelieve the international testing that usually places the U.S. far down the list on test scores. I now think many of them cheat just as this school did for one of their own to call him an Honor Student and pretend he did well in school when he showed up for class drunk and abused younger kids and everything else.
We have many Japanese in the Birmingham area and one of my sons teaches them in English as a Second Language classes which is what they should provide in Aruba.
There are many Spanish speaking children in our own school system and we deal with it. Give them classes in English or Dutch (fewer people speak Dutch globally but whatever). Have a Spanish speaking only school but they should have long ago addressed this problem regardless of the cause.
LOL # 27
Hi Arubaanse..conta??
You know maybe the Aruban don’t like the Immigrants..but they use them as employees for 3$ an hour..they use them to clean their house and their garden..We both know that those jobs are never done by Arubans..
We have some rascism ofcourse..but really the places I lived in Holland…u can’t compare that to Aruba..
#27 viet vet,
Kelmal is een vrouw.
gloria, Thanks You are so sweet !!!!!!! Luv Ya Kel !!!