Natalee Holloway Investigation: Jossy Mansur and John Q. Kelly … On the Record



(Hat Tip: Carpe)

“I agree totally but there has never, at least at this point any suggestion that Natalee was inside that home and so absent a seizure of physical evidence or some clue so simply looking around you might as well look in anyones house”. (Greta Van Susteren) 

Well Greta, maybe that is going to happen. With all the lies that these three suspects have made who is to say that Natalee Holloway was not at the Kalpoe residence or any of the other friends of Joran, Deepak or Satish?

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  • Comments

    137 Responses to “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Jossy Mansur and John Q. Kelly … On the Record”

    1. katablog on May 15th, 2007 12:05 am

      Greta’s wrong, but then what’s new. What suggests that Natalee was in the van der sloot house is that all three pimps agree (in at least one of the many contradicting statements they each gave) that they first went to Joran’s house.

      Of course they contend that they only sat outside the house, but it is a place on their route and it would appear that other places on their same contended route were never reached.

      Since Joran and Deepak both placed them at the house, why shouldn’t the house be searched? After all, it’s the residence of the prime suspect AND we also believe we see Paulus on the Casino video tape. Also, we don’t know how Joran got home or where his shoes went.

      There’s no contention they were at anyone else’s house. But that doesn’t mean Kalpoe’s house shouldn’t be searched because they are also suspects in the case and could have evidence stashed in their house.

    2. justice4nat on May 15th, 2007 12:56 am

      Greta…who got to you?? How much are they paying you or Fox News for you to have so radically changed your views on Joran and the entire case?!?!?!

    3. Carpe Noctem on May 15th, 2007 1:04 am

      Awesome, it is about time we had some recent pictures

      out of Aruba!


    4. Carpe Noctem on May 15th, 2007 1:26 am

      Bring her home one way or another, KLPD. I know you can do it. I believe in you. Give ‘em what you got for a pork chop!

      Thank You.


      > She is our HEART.


      John Q. Kelly Quote of the Week:





      Greta “On The Record”



    5. Frank on May 15th, 2007 1:41 am

      Two faced Greta, both literally and figuratively. She seems so smug, chirpy and Couricesque.

      To have sat with the murdering Sloots and not be fazed is a coldness that makes Brian Williams seem passionate.

      Any truth to the rumor that Tacopina used the same plastic surgeon?

    6. buster on May 15th, 2007 2:01 am

      We all know that gretta speaks the truth, If she was lieing her lips would be moving including the lower one.

    7. Rafiki on May 15th, 2007 2:11 am

      Greta has changed her story so drastically since the beginning of this case. I don’t know what kind of deal she and Joran cut but it must have been huge.

      John Q. Kelly had a note of forshadowing to his tone… perhaps they are finally going to do something to find the truth.

    8. Skyboxx on May 15th, 2007 6:45 am

      Greta once owned this story, now she has moved away. What causes that? Was she given information she cannot report on?

      Did her Christian Science faith get involved?

      Did her employer Fox news get involved?

      Whatever the reason, she has moved towards the middle or even further away?

      Did she learn something she cannot report at this time?

    9. Helena on May 15th, 2007 7:32 am

      Does anyone know how Beth is doing? I have not seen her on any program since these new searches started.

    10. Ralph on May 15th, 2007 8:58 am

      No,no, Greta is right, because Joran told her so.

    11. Miss-Underestimated on May 15th, 2007 9:08 am

      JQK said soemthing to the effect of

      they go into the homes to see if the statments match the enviroment, also something like you have to do this to proceed with the case. I can’t find the transcript, does someone else have it? I decifer that they are building the case and need this information to knock the statements made.

    12. Quinne on May 15th, 2007 9:12 am

      Greta sat down with a SOCIOPATH in that interview. She was fooled. You would think a lawyer like her would have more street-smarts and see right through that lying SOB.

    13. jgirl on May 15th, 2007 9:16 am

      I read in one article that Jug had filed for divorce last December from Beth. Is this true?

    14. minnesota dad on May 15th, 2007 9:32 am

      I don’t read anything into JQK.

      He knows that this is a judicial and law enforcement cover-up that has been bungled and run by amateurs. He knows that the odds are quite slim that Paulus or Joran will actually do jail time for their crimes. I love how people call it the ‘perfect crime’….ha ha ha…if perfect is having the cover-up enablers tripping all over themselves and getting caught covering up their cover-ups…ok, then I will call it ‘perfect’.


      JQK knows how the game is played. You do not slam those investigating or the judges involved with the case – or they will just become even more biased against you. He is playing his role the way it needs to be played.

      Bring in the perp and get the predators off of Aruba to make it safe for tourists.


      P.S. With this post, I am going to start placing search engine keywords…so in the future, tourists searching the net for Aruba can be forewarned about the predators there:
      aruba vacation, aruba hotel, aruba flight, aruba beach, aruba weather, aruba all-inclusive, aruba travel, aruba resort, aruba fishing, aruba scuba, aruba timeshare, aruba car rental)

    15. ScottK on May 15th, 2007 9:32 am

      Greta is a POS!!!! Her show has totally turned into an Entertainment show instead of news reporting show. She has no credibility left. Somehow she’s tied into the Van der Sloots. Don’t forget her name is Van Sustren???? Related maybe?

      Anyhow, the Kalpoes were involved and so was Joran but I think the Kalpoes will go down for this just to resolve it and get this case finally out of the news so they can be “one happy island” again. They know their economy is in trouble and they need a quick fix solution.

      Why was Deepak so emotional? Because he knows he’s guilty. It’s a matter of time before one of those two bozos crack and start blabbing, just wait, it’s coming.

    16. arabellafigg on May 15th, 2007 9:54 am

      Greta is a Scientologist, not a Christian Scientist…BIG difference.

    17. Meee on May 15th, 2007 10:23 am

      Jossy newspaper has an article in it today about her. They took it from the enquirer. Isn’t that great about Jossy. Instead of asking questions about the coverup. Or how the dutch never dug up the concrete. Or why is the letter Karin Janssen wrote about Paulus not being a suspect. Still being honored? Or why are the punks and Steve Croes still not in jail for lying to hinder an investigation. Instead he’s worried what Beth is doing in her personal life. Hmmmmmm I have to tell you. Jossy says the right things on American TV. But he doesn’t do the right thing by this case in his paper. There’s alot of things he could throw out for the Dutch authorities and the people of aruba to ponder in his paper. But yet he’s writing about Beth’s personal life????? Once again Hmmmmmm

    18. Freebrid on May 15th, 2007 10:24 am

      Greta is so 2 faced! After she got the interview and a look at Natalee’s room she turned on her!! A guess she was there spying for the Van der Slutes!!! It seems they have paid her off or maybe she has joined Paulass’s cigar club of lonely hearts!!!!!!!!!! I hope John Q. is correct on his feeling for the case it would be a blessing for Beth & Dave. And #9 I live about 45 miles from Beth and she has not been on our local news in a long time. The last I herd she was doing fund rising for Natalee’s program to find missing children she has started.

    19. Meee on May 15th, 2007 10:25 am sorry for the bum link. You think I could do this by now

    20. disgustedmom on May 15th, 2007 10:36 am

      I’m not thinking Natalee was never in the VDS house. I think she was before the night was over(I have myreasons for thinking that), but I don’t think J2K’s reference to them being outside the VDS house and not going inside is refering to the VDS house. Let me explain my thinking.

      Joran says in his book that he tells tourists he ‘used to’ live on the island. He had also said in some interview that Natalee asked him if he had a big house. Now…think…he says to her he ‘used to’ live there so what if he took her to ‘his house’ that was one he only ‘said’ he ‘used to’ live in? That would account for them not going inside since it’s not really his house. Now, as Joran is a big braggart, whatever house he picked to show Natalee was most certainly HUGE and very impressive. That would not be the one he actually lives in. That one is not all that Hot and I’m sure Joran isn’t impressed by it one bit. There’s no way he’d show that house to Natalee, especially when he assumes her being from Alabama indicates she probably has some huge plantation type home. (re: his references to that sort of thing many times) No doubt the one he ‘showed her’ was bigger than what his idea of a Southern White Person’s Plantation Home would be.

      I don’t know what signicance that might hold, except to take their trip that night to a different area. If I were an investigator, I’d look for an impressive home in a secluded area. Reason being, if all 3 boys wanted some action they would have to park the car somewhere and I suspect a secluded place would be best. As Joran also loved the Ayo Rock area and the countryside….my search for a huge home would begin around there, at least on that side of the island. It just seems to me that after showing her this house they wouldn’t have traveled too far before doing what they set out to do with Natalee.

    21. Libby on May 15th, 2007 10:46 am

      Great idea Minnesota Dad. From now on, anytime I post anything about Paulus, the predators, the cover up, and the dangers of going to Aruba, I will include Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba flight information. I hope and pray whenever anyone does a search for aruba they see what that country and its government has done to Natalee and her family and the disrepect they have shown to Natalee, her family and the American people.

    22. Freebrid on May 15th, 2007 10:48 am

      #13 it is true. Jug filed for a divorce. The strain of all this took it’s tol on them.

    23. Pearl on May 15th, 2007 10:53 am

      “Hope springs eternal.”
      John Q. Kelly

      Hope springs eternal.
      Surely the story of Natalee Holloway’s suffering -(the blatant violations of her human rights) and the vicious assaults that were executed upon her, along with the cruelty inflicted upon her and her family is deserving of our scrutiny in demanding justice for her and her family, surely this child deserves our fullest measure of HOPE, along with our unyielding voices that insist her family be granted justice.

      Hope springs eternal.
      While journalists continue to press for answers to questions concerning what three thugs plotted and colluded in doing to an innocent American child, Natalee’s family continues to suffer the torment of not knowing where their precious child was taken to, and what was done to her.

      Hope springs eternal.
      But for the tireless investigative scrutiny of men and women for whom honor and integrity actually mean something – men like John Q. Kelly, Bo Dietel, and Dave Holloway, women like Beth Twitty, men and women whose courage in searching for all traces of this precious child compels each of them to not yeild an inch in their quest for Natalee’s TRUTH and JUSTICE, but for their standards that cry out for judicial honor and integrity, do we dare speak out for HOPE in Natalee’s good name.

      Hope springs eternal.
      For surely hope finds its passion in the arms of men who are led into garbage pits to dig for an innocent victimized child’s body, and surely HOPE finds its resonance in the voice of a mother who refused to step down when facing a foreign nation alone – as she simply asked that her baby’s tortured body be returned to her.

      Hope springs eternal, for surely, HOPE finds its life-giving presence in the bodies, the voices and in the conscience of men and women who refuse to swallow lies as “answers” to questions over WHAT happened to Natlalee Holloway, WHERE was she taken, and WHAT was done to her.

      Let HOPE rise up in the name of Natalee Holloway.
      Let HOPE rise up through the voice of Natalee’s truth.

      Let JUSTICE find its path through the voices of men and women who refuse to be quieted, by the snarling lies and infestation of criminal conduct demonstrated in the heartless cruelty of those men and women who chose to hide not only Natalee’s truth and her voice, but who colluded together to hide all the vicious suffering inflicted upon her innocent and defenseless little body.

      Hope springs eternal.
      And the men who took all HOPE from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway are due for some heavy accounting for their insidious conduct in crushing all Natalee’s hopes that she carried in her heart for her future.

      Let the voice of Natalee Holloway’s truth rise above the darkest filthy contemptable deeds of unscrupulous,cowardly men who believed they were more powerful than a child’s VOICE, more powerful than this innocent child’s TRUTH, more powerful than everything that JUSTICE stands for.

      Hope will spring eternal, when Natalee Holloway’s TRUTH is finally told, and when Natalee Holloway is finally released from the depraved savage indifference that continues to unlawfully imprison her body and her truth, while viciously denying her family their right to bury their child, and commemorate her precious life.

      If ever there was a story for news journalists to pursue in the quest for honorable reporting, a quest for THE TRUTH – surely, the story of Natalee Holloway holds fertile opportunity for considerable thought provoking discussion on the notion of human rights when traveling to what one believes is a “friendly” territory, only to discover the unthinkable: that law enforcement officials in a foreign so-called “friendly” territory would seek to corrupt justice from taking place, so that the most vulgar criminals and their darkest deeds might remain hidden from the eyes of the American public all in the name of greed and gluttony.

      The perversion of such deplorable conduct demands that our voices stand together loudly, and resolute in our HOPE – for Natalee Holloway.

      Hope for Natalee Holloway and for children everywhere must be pursued, if not to honor this child’s good and honorable name, her unquestionable generous contributions to her community and the generosity of her spirit, at the very least, let Natalee’s hope rise up in the name of all our daughters, to protect our American children from COORDINATED ASSAULTS AND ATTACKS on OUR CHILDREN that took place at the hands of men who have neither the conscience, nor the integrity to be concerned about Natalee’s human rights, no less the depravity of indifference demonstrated by this gang of men who would SEEK OUT a defenseless child, seek to render her completely helpless, so that they could then perversly collude to prey upon her defenseless body – with savage disregard for the suffering they inflicted upon her as they took turns raping her.

      Hope will spring eternal, when our voices, united together, insist – that both JUSTICE and TRUTH be delivered in no uncertain terms to Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway who have been sentenced to a LIFE TIME OF SUFFERING by the hands of unscrupulous men and women who value neither truth, nor integrity, nor honor, nor simple human decency and compassion.

      HOPE will spring eternal, when men and women worthy of honoring all that hope stands for, rise up in this child’s name, insisting that HER TRUTH be told, her VOICE be honored, her JUSTICE be delivered by men and women whose hearts are driven with an unwavering passion for justice because it is valued, justice because it is the right thing to do, justice in this child’s name – for her, and for ALL CHILDREN worthy and deserving of something as simple as honoring their human rights to NOT be targeted, NOT be preyed upon like an animal, NOT be viciously assaulted and tormented for an evening of RAPE that a bunch of monsters sought in order to feed their perverted appetites.

      If we cannot utter Natalee Holloway’s truth, then there is no hope for any child falsely led into believing that they could ever be safe in such a country, where savage cruelty was demonstrated by those who took Natalee’s life, by those who fiegned to “investigate” her disappearance, and those who colluded to hide the hideousness of her suffering, along with those who behaved with such depraved indifference towards Natalee’s family.

      Hope springs eternal in hearts of courage that dare utter the unspeakable cruelty inflicted upon this American tourist, this American child, who believed she would be safe in Aruba, who believed her human rights were secure, who trusted that honorable people were doing their job to “protect and defend” her precious freedom and liberty.

      Where is the HOPE for Natalee Holloway?

      Look closely – for her voice is right there, buried under the contemptuous cover up that ensued, her precious hands lie right there, beneath the charades carried out that feigned “searching” for her precious innocent and defenseless truths.

      Her unlawful and painful imprisonment remains a glaring reminder that until this child’s body is set free, there can be no claims by Aruban officials of having “investigated” the wretched, horrid criminal acts that they know were inflicted upon Natalee Holloway.

      Hope will spring eternal when NATALEE’S VOICE is heard, when NATALEE’S TRUTH is told, when NATALEE’S BODY is returned to her family, and when Natalee’s right to justice, is finally honored.

      This child needs to be returned to her family, and her family needs to know WHAT was done to their precious baby, WHERE she was taken, so that their lives can be granted some measure of hope and peace.

      And challenge your colleaguges to do the same in the name of HOPE!

      Hope for Natalee lies within the hands of journalists who would dare to seek answers to the questions that continue to weigh heavily upon the minds and hearts of Natalee’s family…questions that continue to bind their hearts and chain their spirits to an aching uncertainty over what was done to their precious loved one.

      Release this child from her imprisonment!
      Release this family from this wretched suffering inflicted upon them.


      Seize hope for Natalee Holloway by seizing the right to question: WHERE she is, WHAT was done to her, and WHY the Aruban government and its officials behaved with such cowardly indifference to the sufferings inflicted upon a guest – a tourist, a CHILD who was victimized by the depravity of heartless, spineless criminals who were granted unimpeded freedom to stalk her, to prey upon her, to assault her, and end her life, and then – to steal her bodily remains from her family so as to deny them any entry into her merciless suffering, and her heartbreaking truths while her killers then proceeded to trample upon her honorable good name and reputation while tormenting her family in the process.

      Let hope spring eternally forward from this moment now, in voices across America that refuse to betray this child’s trust, voices that will take up this child’s right to be returned to her loving mother and father, voices that will cry out for her human rights to finally be set free, voices that will cry out for her right to have her honorable reputation restored, voices that claim that the integrity of justice be upheld in the honoring of THIS CHILD’S TRUTH.

      Let hope rise up for Natalee Holloway.
      Let hope rise up in our refusal to abandon all that integrity and honor cry out for, in upholding the freedoms of our children and the sacredness of their human rights.

      If ever hope required a battle of hearts willing to take a stand for justice, it is now.
      No family should suffer what the Twitty-Holloway family has suffered.
      No child should be abandoned beneath such wickedness and savage indifference.

      Set this child free through the relentlessness of bold and daring hope.

      Set this child’s truth free through HOPE that refuses to be silenced under a shroud of corruption, collusion and depraved lies that value neither the sacaredness of this child, nor the valor of justice and integrity.

      Set Natalee Holloway free through a boldness of heart that dares to be heroic in seeking HER TRUTH, that dares to demand answers to haunting questions,in the presence of criminal conduct the feeds off of its own rapacious darkness.

      The glory of Natalee’s hope lies within the hands and hearts of men and women who would dare to reach for Natalee’s truth, and cry out together for Natalee’s right to justice. The glory of Natalee’s hope lies in those who would join hands together to embrace her family with compassion, embrace Natalee’s family with a hope that seeks to release them from this painful despair and merciless indifference they have encountered, and with kindness and compassion renew this suffering family releasing them from the daily agony that chains their hearts, renew their lives, renew their ability to hope, renew their aching spirits.

      Hope springs eternal when it is born of hearts bound to hope’s unyielding quest for the promise of new life, new possibilities, a renewal of spirit that awakens in us our life-giving potential, – a potential that defies all limitations and boundaries that would dare to confine hope in all its immeasurable potential for new life.

      Let Natalee’s family finally be set free from all this pain and suffering because we were moved in our hearts by compassion for them and for Natalee, and because we dared…to HOPE for Natalee’s truth, and Natalee’s justice!

      Let hope spring eternal for the family of Natalee Holloway, as a just response to the horrid torment and suffering inflicted upon them and their precious loved one.

      Let hope replace wickedness and depravity.
      Let hope renew despairing broken hearts.
      Let hope rise up through honor, integrity and justice!

      Let hope spring eternally forward…right here, right now.
      Let HOPE finally bring Natalee Holloway … home.

    24. disgustedmom on May 15th, 2007 10:56 am

      A word on my opinion of Greta’s coverage.

      When she did coverage of the VA Tech murders recently, her eyes darted around the whole time she was interviewing anyone who was not giving her intrusive and blaming ‘meat’ answers to her callous questions. She was clearly not interested in anything less than the extreme and ‘sour grapes’ type feelings for her show. I’d say she turned on the “Holloway Camp” side and started making Joran a victim after it became more fun argumentatively to take his side. When she was on the Holloway side, that side was the argumentatively fun side to be on. IMO, she is, as some posters have said, 2-faced. But I’m sure we can always find her siding with someone instead of just covering fair and balanced stories.

      In fairness to Greta though, it could be Fox who made her change her ways and get more like the other shows of her show’s ilk in order that she compete with the ratings. People like to hear crap too much. They don’t like to reason. Such is the reason why I hardly watch TV so-called ‘news shows’ anymore.

    25. Libby on May 15th, 2007 10:57 am

      Disgusted mom, everything is worth checking into. You have to remember though that Natalee was drugged and was probably out of it big time. She probably had no idea where she was taken…whether it be to Joran’s home or former home etc. The alleged call that Natalee made…she supposedly said who are these people or I don’t know these people.

      On the other hand, there was a pyschic in the very beginning that did say Natalee was kidnapped and being raped by several men in a large extravagant home in a remote area of Aruba. I think they said the house was slate blue or gray or something. It was a very large home though. Like I said, all things are worth checking into. Getting Aruba to do that…and do it right is another thing though.

      I almost forgot my references, Aruba hotels, Aruba flight information, Aruba weather.

      Boycott Aruba!

    26. minnesota dad on May 15th, 2007 11:20 am

      Pearl, regarding media coverage and why they really don’t investigate stories:

      I have mentioned before that a great reason for my being here is a civil cover-up here in the USA. Our judge was constantly biased, ruled against us, and aided the defendant – who happened to be a prominent attorney. I provided the media with all of the back-up – case records, witness statements, expert statements, and more. Finally, I discovered after our ruling that our judge’s spouse received payments from the prominent attorney’s lawfirm. I also found a picture of our judge receiving free -VERY EXPENSIVE – gifts from the lawfirm.

      I documented everything and brought it to the press. Not one would touch the story. As one explained to me privately, you have to understand, if you are going to call out a judge, you are calling out the credibility of the whole judicial system. Your paper will suddenly find themselves wound up in several bogus lawsuits with judges aiding the other party. Only when the system decides they have had enough of a judge, can the system throw the judge out — it is taboo for media.

      This is why Jossy does not attack the judges or the prosecutors. Odubar is fair game….he is an elected official. Judges and prosecutors aren’t. If Jossy crosses them, Jossy will suddenly find himself facing trumped up civil or criminal charges. Sorry folks, but this is the dark side of our legal system (which, 80-90% of attorneys have no clue that this is how it works behind the scenes – JQK understands…and that is why you do not see him ripping the system).

      Hope this helps people understand why there are certain things the media won’t touch.


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    27. Vicki on May 15th, 2007 11:33 am

      #25-Libby.. that would be Lorenzos house….

    28. kayjay on May 15th, 2007 11:45 am

      Greta was well and truly fooled by JVDS. Her attitude prevails because her credibility is at stake if she changes her tune. Also I have noticed she is constantly playing devil’s advocate on her show. She is a cold-hearted fish and is interested only in her job…and what it takes to keep it. She knows she was taken in by JVDS but there is no need for her to come clean on the issue.
      In actual fact none of these shows ever get anything totally correct..they don’t have access to facts and they should temper their reporting accordingly. The only way Natalee’s family is served by is that they let the public know that the case is still viable.
      PS This is purely a guess, but I have always thought that Karin Janssen and PVDS were VERY friendly if you get my drift.

    29. Libby on May 15th, 2007 11:59 am

      Huh, wonder if they have checked out Lorenzo’s house. Oh wait, that is a silly question. They can’t check where they may find something. Maybe they will check in a couple more years.

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accomodations.

      There is no protection from predators in Aruba. Beware of Aruba, boycott Aruba.

    30. downloadingdaddy on May 15th, 2007 12:19 pm

      Good idea about the search engine keywords!

      I have an idea that I believe will help get the word out as well.
      I am going to post information about the case and links to an outline of the case in the travel section of If we could start posting this kind of info in every major city listing possible on craigslist then I believe we can sway some people who were considering traveling to aruba.

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accomodations.

    31. JusticeforNatalee on May 15th, 2007 12:32 pm

      #17 Meee

      I wrote to Jossy about 3 points: VDS pool cement area, Janssen’s letter, and Steve Croes. Here is Jossy’s reply:

      “Will do. Haven’t had the time so far, but will make it a point to do so for the next edition.”

      Let’s see if Jossy is a man of his word.

    32. Vicki on May 15th, 2007 12:51 pm

      #31- hey there justice… Im so glad you did that. Lets see if he is a man of his word… Thank you!

    33. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 1:33 pm

      Hey….what did they take those jackhammers to the Sloot house for….so Anita could sit on em and vibrate orrrr what?

      And now the Kowpoo house was inspected? Whats that about?

    34. JusticeforNatalee on May 15th, 2007 1:40 pm

      Vicki, #32

      I asked Jossy to at least hint or refer to Janssen’s letter even if
      he didn’t want to directly address it.

    35. Libby on May 15th, 2007 1:48 pm

      Lol…very good mayan_moons!!! Mama sloot probably did ride around on the jackhammers. She probably isn’t getting it from Paulus. He is too busy having the predators search for young girls for him and his buddies.

      You know Aruba, we all know you will never solve the crimes against Natalee and that you will never do anything to Paulus, his buddies and the predators. Just so you know, we can keep this up just as long as you can. We are NOT going away until TRUE justice is served.

      If you would just prosecute Paulus, his buddies and the predators…and give Natalee back or at least tell where she is…it would at some point go away. Aruba might get back some of their “happy little island” reputation. Until you do the true will never get back there….not if we have anything to do with it.

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations

    36. disgustedmom on May 15th, 2007 1:48 pm

      #25. That phone call is intriguing because if it were Natalee who made the call it would indicate she was with people other than Joran whom she did ‘know’. But I’m not convinced the phone call was from Natalee because as you said, if she was drugged and out of it then how could she be so coherent as to make a call?

      I don’t recall it ever being said what phone made that call. If it had been one Natalee had, I’m sure it would have been said. Since it was not said, then the phone used most likely belonged to one of the suspects. If so, then it might have been Nat who used that phone, but it could as easily been some female friend of Joran who made the call to throw the case into a kidnapping to draw attention away from something else and to make it sound like Joran was not involved since he was not there or else the caller would have known at least one person.

      I don’t doubt Nat was drugged. So I doubt she made that call.

      Lorenzo’s house? Hmmm…does he have anything to do with Mr. Pink? I recall a psychic saying early on that in one of her visions pink fur was prominent.

    37. mary on May 15th, 2007 1:48 pm

      aruba weather, aruba hotels, arubu resorts LETS KEEP THIS UP!!!!!!!

    38. Miss-Underestimated on May 15th, 2007 1:51 pm

      Jerry Fallwell died.

    39. Miss-Underestimated on May 15th, 2007 1:53 pm

      I’m thinking Joran kept saying about out in the ocean and maybe even steeling the trap and knives to disway ppl.

      Also that sly Ineeda.(man)…your camera…..who has it?

      All this crap they tried to tell to disway everyone.

    40. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 2:06 pm

      There are quite a bit of contradictions concerning May 30. 2005 with phone calls and her being drugged ect. BUT Karin Jansen herself gave us some facts, that heavy battery was charged regarding Natalee’s body.

      One thing…..I don’t think she went into a coma coz of Karin’s nugget of info. I DO think she was drugged to get her out of C& C’s but she woke up at some point where she received the battery that Karin charged. You don’t have to battery someone who’s in a coma.

    41. 10061906 on May 15th, 2007 2:38 pm

      #36: Natalee’s cell phone was found in her room with her passport. There was another cell phone that Lee, Madison, Ruth and Natalee used. You can see her using it in the casino. Maybe she took it to C and C’s and had it with her and she used it from where ever they took her.

    42. JusticeforNatalee on May 15th, 2007 2:59 pm

      Dutch Team:

      Have you questioned the headmaster at International School?

      What happened to Anita’s CAMERA? What happened to the CAMERA
      taken to Freddy? How about Sander’s “lost/stolen” cell phone?

    43. 10061906 on May 15th, 2007 3:04 pm

      Who was the blue eyed blond dutch boy that Natalee was attracted?
      Was it possibly Geoffery von Cromvoirt? He is blonde, blue eyed and Dutch.
      He certainly hangs around the HI. I can’t believe he never ran into Joran at some time.
      Just to clarify a few things. He was quite forward every time he ran into Natalee at Carlos and Charlie’s. He accosted her and slapped her which almost caused a fight.
      Also apparently Joran almost caused a fight with the MBHS Students over Natalee..

      Joran, Deepak and Satish is one circle
      Joran, Koen, Sanders, Andre, Freddy and Jaime is another circleJoran, Guido and Jaime is yet another circle
      Michael Dompig and Andreas is another.
      Geoffery von Cromvoirt and Michael Dompig yet another.
      Geoffery von Cromvoirt hangs out with someone with initials A.B.
      Michael Dompig is a cousin to Deepak and Satish.
      Why do all the young males in question seem to hang around the Excelsior and the Holiday Inn?
      Why does it seem that Natalee was the only MBHS female student accosted by any of those in question?
      Only after Natalee disappears does Joran say he liked Ruth more because she was prettier. Joran never gave Ruth a second glance at the casino when he sat beside her. Huh? Lucky for Ruth unlucky for Natalee.

      Why did Lee, Ruth, Madison and Natalee go to C and C’s on May29, 2005?
      Did Natalee tell Joran she was going to C and C’s on May 29, 2005?
      Who was Natalee constantly on the telephone with at the casino on May 29, 2005?
      PER MBHS students statements.
      Apparently there is a conflict in stories: Yes Natalee met Joran earlier than May 29, 2005; no she did not meet him until May 29, 2005.
      Which cell phone was Natalee using?
      Why did Lee, Madison and Ruth return to the hotel?
      Why did Natalee stay behind?
      Did the three have an argument with Natalee?
      Did Natalee tell her friends how she would get back to the Hotel?
      Did a porn producer make contact with Natalee?
      Did Natalee renege on a promise?
      Answers to each one of these questions could change the outcome.

    44. Libby on May 15th, 2007 3:21 pm

      Yea, the heavy battery thing charge. How did they know that if they don’t know what happened to Natalee? That place is so corrupt. Paulus is the reason we can’t find Natalee though. Don’t get me wrong, the predators are guilty as all get out. After all, “they have done this many times before and this has never happened.” They got her drunk, drugged her, raped her, Paulus and his buddies were in on that too though, she came out of it and resisted, they did the heavy battery, she died, Paulus and his buddies helped dispose of her.

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations

      Boycott Aruba

    45. Pearl on May 15th, 2007 4:17 pm

      Minn. dad, the clarity and boldness with which you speak, challenges all of us to continue to dare to HOPE in Natalee Holloway’s good name.

      And all the assaultive shadows that have been cast against her dignified, good honorable reputation, will fall shallow and empty as the devious individuals who sought to berate her honorable reputation in the subsequent assaults that took place against her.

      This victim, this defenseless child stolen away from her loving family, has a story to tell.
      Her truth cannot be hidden.
      Her voice cannot be contained and as always, truth has a way of revealing itself.

      They can no more silence Natalee’s truth, than they can bury her voice in that phone call that she made.
      Just ask Charles Croes about that…he knows.

      But surely Charles Croes knows by now what Natalee’s final words meant that she spoke as she made her plea for help: “I don’t know these guys…”

      Hope indeed will invoke Natalee’s truth to finally be told.

      Perhaps Charles Croes will be the first to attempt to step forward to speak Natalee’s truth, after all, he was roaming about the island right after meeting up with Beth after being summoned by a “major friend”, and Charles Croes got to hear first hand – Natalee’s final plea for help.

      Charles Croes listened to her voice for at least 45 minutes…while staring into the eyes of her heartbroken mother.

      Perhaps Charles Croes will be moved to do the right thing,…and help explain his conversations with Joran on the night that Paulus claimed to know nothing at all about Natalee, nor about the fact that Joran was at the casino at a table with her.

      But if Charles Croes cannot be moved to speak what he knows of this child’s truth, or if he can find no reason to motivate himself to utter his kinowledge of the wretched events that took place the night that Natalee was murdered and the following day when Beth came pleading for his help, – then there is always the voices of all those FBI agents who really don’t enjoy beating around the bushes that Paulus Van der Sloot likes to hide himself in, particularly when it comes to a child’s honor, a child’s safety, a child’s defenseless voice at the hands of predatory men who sought to gang up on Natalee for their evening perversions of rape and assault on a little defenseless girl.

      God bless those stellar observers from the FBI, who were always there, listening in the fullest sense of the word, watching, seeing and HEARING EVERYTHING that unfolded before them.

    46. Miss-Underestimated on May 15th, 2007 4:23 pm

      Does anyone recall early on July 2005 or about there
      a minister had requested that the HI tell him why they had to redo a room carpets and all on the same floor where Natalee stayed, a couple of days after Natalee disappeared?

    47. Carpe Noctem on May 15th, 2007 4:40 pm

      ROFL #33 Jackhammers and Anita Slander Boot!

      Hi Mayan,

      Hadn’t seen you around for awhile, was getting

      worried about ya, friend.

      -Justice for Natalee

      Aruba, Aruba Nightlife, Sexual Predators,
      Aruba Drugs, Aruba Chollers, Aruba Flights, Aruba Murder,
      Aruba Rape, Aruba Natalee Holloway, Aruba Corruption,
      Joran Van der sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe,
      Aruban Rapists, Aruba Travel Information, Aruba Hotels

    48. JusticeforNatalee on May 15th, 2007 4:55 pm

      Do Paulus or Anita own another property
      near the Racquet Club?

      I recall reading something about that.

    49. dennisintn on May 15th, 2007 5:02 pm

      #8, greta is now no better than all the other newspeople who can’t get it through their thick heads that j2k are still the main suspects in the crimes against natalee, NOT “former main suspects”.

    50. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 5:09 pm

      Libby…you are right. They couldn’t charge heavy battery on Natalee’s body if they hadn’t seen the condition of her little body.

      Karin couldn’t charge murder if she herself had not seen with her own eyes a lifeless dead Natalee.

    51. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 5:20 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      Thanks for thinking about me, maaan i missed ya’ll, this site. I was bouncing off the walls hearing about the Kowpox *Open House* and not being here talking about it with you guys! I’ve been praying harder than ever (if thats possible) for the farce of Aruba to end and Natalee is brought home.

    52. Carpe Noctem on May 15th, 2007 5:31 pm

      Quote of the Month – April 2007

      Mark Fuhrman

      “The Statute Of Limitations For Murder In Aruba Is Two Years. I Mean, How Absurd Is This? The Place To Go To Murder Somebody Is Obviously Aruba,
      It’s Crazy!”

      -Hannity & Colmes / FOX NEWS

    53. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 5:37 pm

      Hey Mis U!

      I remember someone talking about one of the Hotel Rooms being stipped bare and redone after Natalee was gone! Gave me the shivers just thinking about it.

      Coz after everything we’ve seen over the last two years, i put Nothing past these people. These Father & Son’s on Aruba together participate(atleast Paulus is) in preying on tourist’s girls and covering up their’s and the son’s crimes.

    54. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 5:39 pm

      YEAH Justice, they own another property & rent it out to tourists. I’ve seen a pic of it…..i think Grande posted it here.

    55. Skyboxx on May 15th, 2007 6:07 pm

      Thank you arabellafigg, I must admit, I did not know there was a difference.

      Regarding Greta, someone suggested to me that she Believes the sporter is INNOCENT, because she believes Paulus is Guilty. However she cannot come out and say without hard evidence.

      Still a GRETA fan? It’s plausible that she is trying to win over the sporter to get to the perp, which she may believe is Paulus?


    56. wreck on May 15th, 2007 6:15 pm

      No skyboxx, Greta still thinks they went to the beach and “Boeti” did it. Greta has a crush on Joran and/or Joe Tacopina.

    57. k on May 15th, 2007 6:32 pm

      #54 Mayan….Speaking of Grande,, I haven’t seen any posts lately from Grande. Hope all is well there.

    58. JusticeforNatalee on May 15th, 2007 6:53 pm

      Did ALE ever take in or check the VDS MAID’S car?

    59. Meee on May 15th, 2007 7:09 pm

      #31-JFN… That’s good to hear.

    60. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 7:36 pm

      I’ve not seen em either k and i also hope all is well.

    61. on May 15th, 2007 8:10 pm

      Having seen the Joran / Greta interview, I can see someone believing him IF they knew little about the whole story, in the far stretches of my imagination I can even see Greta legitimately thinking that possibly Joran was telling her the truth. But once Greta read Joran’s book, she simply has to know it was feeding her a full line of b*ll!

      The house: I believe Natalee was “out of it” before they arrived at any house so I don’t think it made much difference what house they went to. I do believe they went to the Perp’s house because I believe they put that in the story in case someone saw or heard deepsh*t’s car.

      In addition, it’s a little strange that while your “innocent sporter” is in jail, you would be thinking about redoing the patio and buying furniture – unless there was a reason why you needed to do those things. That doesn’t mean that Natalee is buried under that patio – but I think some type of evidence might be (or have been) there.

      Blue-eyed dutch boy: was reported (don’t remember where) recently to have been a guy in the Merchant Marines who left the crappy little Island before Natalee disappeared. No idea if this is the truth or not.

      Let’s remember to spell aruba accommodations correctly!

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations. You do NOT want to go to Aruba on vacation. Bad things happen the on that crappy little island.

    62. 10061906 on May 15th, 2007 8:23 pm

      #53: I can’t proveit but it may have been a cover while they were removing cameras out of the room.

    63. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 9:11 pm

      Hey 1906!

      Just the thoughts that young women are drugged & taken to one of the hotels to be filmed makes me sick as i’m certain it does to everyone here. But what makes it worse is people being lured to a place where you’re invited to relax, explore new countrys and culture, extending that friendly hand if you will when the whole time you’re being sized up as a victim in their eyes.

      THAT is what makes this case one of the worst of the worst. Is it just me or what coz i find that trolling for victims after inviting them downright evil and is one of the many reasons i/we want to shut Aruba tourism DOWN!

    64. Carpe Noctem on May 15th, 2007 9:35 pm
    65. Miss-Underestimated on May 15th, 2007 9:58 pm


      Hey I hope you been ok. Yeah, I was trying to see where I had about the hotel room. I may have deleted it from my computer,but I am glad you remember too. Didn’t the HI manager quit or leave after that?

      We have some bad storms here, so I am using dial up.


    66. Corrupt Aruba on May 15th, 2007 10:19 pm

      Have the Dutch police talked to Mr. Pink yet? I think not! I am still trying to figure out all the drownings in Aruba and one was in the hospital. Have the Dutch police talked to the raped girls that came forward or the one that got raped in school. Dutch police quit the farce and start arresting. We know you can arrest for that one because pics were made.

    67. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 10:34 pm

      Miss-U if you could find the article that would be great as i only read about it in comments here. I can totaly see these deviate’s doing it.

      Wonder where and thru whom video’s of this sort would be distributated if they do exist. Wouldn’t it be a bombshell of the year if such a video were found & turned over of an unconcious young girl being treated this way!

      Oh i can hear the Aruban’s now saying the unconcious girl consented to be knocked out cold while being raped in a hotel room in Aruba while the whole thing is caught on tape to be sold for profit.

      I’m doing well Miss-U….thank you. Its storming like crazy here too!

    68. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 10:41 pm

      Oh yeah i do remember hearing the manager left shortly after that and went to a Marriot in Venezuela.

    69. Harol on May 15th, 2007 10:54 pm

      You folks should thank your lucky stars that Greta even covers this 2 YEAR OLD NON STORY anymore.Do not bite the hand that feeds you.She is a respectable journalist and still has to to stick to the facts and not ridiculous “shango” theories and outlandish speculations with nothing besides hate for the former suspects to back them up.


      SM:   #1   Greta doesn’t feed us   #2   Joran, Deepak and Satish are NOT former suspects they are the CURRENT suspects.   They have not be released from suspect status.   (klaasend)

    70. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 11:01 pm

      Thats a great question corrupt aruba, have the Dutch Investigator’s interviewed these brave young girls of Aruba?

    71. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 11:13 pm

      “She’s a respectable journalist”

      THAT is debatable…

    72. mayan_moons on May 15th, 2007 11:23 pm

      More than debatable, more like Total BS. She holds a law degree and journalism degree but DOESN”T ask even one follow up question on several critical points.

      She caved…

    73. sparrow on May 15th, 2007 11:52 pm

      To Helena #9 You asked how Beth Holloway is doing. I do not know her personally, but I live close to Birmingham, Al. I have a friend who saw Beth in Birmingham last week-end, and said she looked very tired. She said the man with her looked like a bodyguard. My heart breaks for Beth, and I know some many others feel the same. I pray that Natalee will have justice soon. It always makes me feel so sad to think of her, and her mother, Beth. Beth Holloway is a fighter, and so very brave. I can’t imagine the pain that Natalee’s family goes through each time something gives them hope. I pray that they have peace, and the ones that harmed Natalee are prosecuted.

    74. Geeky on May 15th, 2007 11:52 pm

      I agree with Pearl’s post # 23 in HOPE!

      I’m glad Greta is keeing Natalee’s story covered. I also believe you have to play devil’s adovate sometimes to get to the trurth. Greta ia playing a game, she knows more….IMO. :)

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accomodations.

      There is no protection from predators in Aruba. Beware of Aruba, boycott Aruba.

      MD…. your post are really good.


    75. Harol on May 16th, 2007 12:11 am

      Mayan Moons,

      I would hope you say that about all of Fox News 7-10pm Lineup.But–the sad thing is she is the most respectable one they have.I mean, Sean Hannity is college dropout ex construction worker (not that there is anything wrong with that)but he is not 2 qualified to do what he does.

    76. b4igo2it on May 16th, 2007 12:19 am

      I am thinking they were looking for videos, pictures, etc. at the Kalpoe residence. Has the cell phone she rented in Aruba ever showed up? Maybe they were looking for that? This just makes me sick. Boycott Aruba! Who is Mr. Pink? I am really curious about Lorenzo’s house too ….

      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations. You do NOT want to go to Aruba on vacation. Bad things happen the on that crappy little island. They MURDERED NATALEE HOLLOWAY and who knows who else! Boycott Aruba!!!!!! It is a land of evil.


      SM:   She did not rent a cell phone while in Aruba (klaasend)

    77. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 12:32 am

      Hey Harol,

      Up Your Effin’ Nose With

      A Rubber Hose, Ya Big Dug Ass!!!

      I dedicate this next song to you. ;)


    78. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 12:50 am

      None of the 7pm to 10pm line up did the interview hanoi, Greta did and she blew it then compounded the harm with her reckless remarks on Jurine’s believability when he himself admitted to being a bold face LIAR!

    79. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 12:56 am

      LOL Carpe!~

    80. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 1:51 am

      Justice for Natalee

      She is loved & remembered.

      Day # 716

    81. Richard on May 16th, 2007 6:18 am

      As I’ve said before, I don’t think any of the media figures really are too concerned about Natalee or the case except as they can “cash in” on it. We all remember the saber-rattling in the early days … and the silence thereafter, except when some dramatic turn of events gave occasion for the “talking heads” to spout their ideas.

      I’ve heard that the Dutch are going to be on Aruba for two more weeks, and are leaving at the end of May. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

      All we can do now is wait and see what comes of it all, if anything. Theories continue to proliferate, but only the Dutch right now are in a position actually to find out anything.

      Meanwhile, I think that Aruba Tourism Authority is going to be at an event in New Orleans around the end of June. I’m not sure of the dates or their participation yet, though.

      We’re working to get more people out there, with the slogan:

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

    82. Vicki on May 16th, 2007 8:10 am

      Thats great news Richard about the June event…If the Dutch dont solve this, I say we go to any and all travel show and just BOYCOTT ARUBA. There are travel shows in everyones city…we dont even need aruba to be there… we can still BOYCOTT them by telling ppl not to go.

    83. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 8:38 am

      #63, Mayan … you nailed it.

      Imagine what American tourists might feel if they were to learn that the hotel they booked for that “vacation” to “paradise” was actually being used by a coordinated gang of rapists to target, literally prey upon young American females, in order to use them as targets for an evening of rape and assaultive battery.

      Imagine if American tourists were to learn that the “paradise” they thought they were entering, was actually a place where known criminals roam about freely, with unimpeded access to drug, kidnap and rape our young American daughters while crooked law enforcement officials bury all evidence that such hideous criminal conduct ever took place.

      Do you think the 80% or more of American tourists would flock to such a place if they were to learn that corrupt law enforcement officials might be involved in burying a hideous truth that young American girls are targets of a new breed of terrorism, by a group of coordinated, organized thugs, whose idea of “fun” is to gang up together to render a little innocent girl defenseless and helpless so that predatory men can then proceed in drugging her, kidnapping her, and raping her repeatedly while all the other thugs take their turns at their perverse notion of “entertainment” with depraved indifference to the suffering and torture they inflict on a little, defenseless girl?

      Imagine learning that the “paradise” also included murder that came with a guarantee that your victimized, beaten child’s tortured raped body would be permanantely hidden under the pretext that her body was that of a ‘young boy’ laying for a year among the rocks, which ALE polis officers were busy taking pictures at, before declaring that there was no evidence that your child was even “kidnapped” – no less, murdered while spinning to the press that she really could have “entered” the hotel “another way”, meanwhile, knowing fully, that not only did she never “enter”, but that she was never even returned to her hotel, because she was murdered.

      Come to think of it Mayan, didn’t some of the hotels suddenly change hands in ownership, following the murder of Natalee Holloway?

      Goodness, the hotels seemed to change ownership,with shifting employees, almost as quickly as the all the “phone hopping” usage that was going on, shortly after Natalee was reported as missing along with all the furious “cleaning up” that Deepak was busy doing with his car.

      I wonder what Charles Croes, the communications expert, might say about all the “phone hopping” that Joran, Deepak, Satish and even Paulus were all engaged with carrying out, on May 30, May 31 …and seemingly, thereafter.

      One minute Deepak is out of phone minutes, the next – he suddenly has minutes, only then – moments later, to be out of minutes again.

      Deepak even had phone numbers stored in his mother’s phone, Deepak is borrowing some man’s phone at the HI, while pin-pointing the lobby entrance as the “drop off” point on May 31, meanwhile, Satish is speaking with Deepak on his phone despite Deepak’s loss of phone minutes, and Paulus – who is asleep all night, is somehow phoning his son while claiming to be sleeping.

      I wonder what Charles Croes theories would be about the communications aspects in this case and all that “phone hopping” that was going on amongst Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish and their friends.

      At one point, it almost seemed as though all the primary suspects were using other phones to contact one another, meanwhile, Van der Straaten is busy chasing down that one direct line traceable to Joran’s phone – yet, did Straaten ever track down all the other “phone-hopping” phone calls that were being made by all the prime suspects and their friends?

      Suspects phoning other suspects on their sister’s phones,mother’s phones, friends phones, and all those phone calls being made through “relatives” and other “friends” phones, and Deepak “borrowing” phones.

      I wonder if Charles Croes remembers whose phone Deepak borrowed at the Holiday Inn, after pin-pointing the hotel lobby entrance as the “drop off” point while he lied to Beth on May 31 at 3 AM in the morning, concerning where he put her beloved daughter, Natalee…

      I wonder whether Charles Croes has any theories about all the “phone hopping” that was going on among all the primary suspects and why they would be “phone hopping” so very early on – even before Beth is even on the island.

      One moment Deepak is out of minutes, the next, he has minutes, only to be out of minutes again moments later.
      I wonder what Charles Croes theories of communications and what all that “phone hopping” might be indicative of in a kidnapping, rape-murder investigation.

      Maybe the phone minutes that Deepak had lost, were stolen by the ants in Deepak’s car that he was furiously cleaning out, right after Natalee was inside of that car, and then never seen again.

      Maybe Charles Croes has a theory about what all the “phone hopping” might be indicative of particularly when it involves a murder investigation of a missing American tourist.

      It always seemed interesting that Charles Croes – a person with communications expertise, appeared at the early onset of Natalee’s disappearance, particularly when you consider how critical communications would be in tracking down her kidnappers and killers.

      I wonder what Charles Croes theories would be concerning how quickly the phones were “hopping around” while the users of those phones were the very same group arrested for involvement in the crimes that Karin Janssen believes were committed against Natalee Holloway?

      Does Charles Croes remember the phone numer from which that phone call was generated that was believed to be made by Natalee which he listened to for about 45 minutes on May 30, the day Natalee was murdered?

      Its incredible that the phones were being passed around and hopping from one friend/ or relative’s hands into a suspects hands, almost as rapidly as Deepak was cleaning out the ants that attacked his car, meanwhile, hotels were quickly put up on the market for sale while Paulus was very busy with banking issues on May 30.

      Strange occurences, indeed.

      Is it true that Deepak cleaned out his car the same number of times that Paulus went to the bank on May 30th?

      I wonder why Deepak refused to speak about his source of income for his bank accounts?

    84. mary on May 16th, 2007 9:10 am

      Ok who can answer this , if the phone wasn’t rented than the phone natalee, maddison, and ruth shared where is that phone? who’s is is it . I thought it was said that it was a local phone.

    85. Para2legal on May 16th, 2007 9:23 am

      Have the Dutch investigators questioned the C&C bartenders working the evening Natalee disappeared? Did the bartender(s) do more than spike her drink? What was the reward – money, part of the action, both?
      Hey Greta why didn’t you call Joran out during the interview when he was performing his “Mr. Innocent” act…you were in the Van der Sloot house with Beth and heard Anita tell her what Joran said he did to Natalee. In your own words you said you wanted to crawl under the table.

    86. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 10:06 am

      I’m trying to develop a computerized flow chart so I can compare different scenarios of WHAT WE KNOW in an attempt to uncover what happened to Natalee.
      Natalee left C and C’s with Joran, Deepak and Satish.
      Joran, Deepak and Satish returned; Natalee did not!!!!!

    87. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 10:14 am

      #85. I’m with you. Someone should check out the bartenders. I’ve read that sometimes in the date rape drug game a bartender will know to spike a certain drink by some preplanned signal. Of course, he also gets paid if only later on.

      I got concerned about the bartender at CC’s after he said emphatically that Natalee left the bar at 12:50AM. 12:50? Was he watching her? That bar was crowded so why is it that he just happened to see Natalee leave? And if he was watching her, why? Was it so he’d know he wasn’t going to end up with this drugged girl on the premises? Did he watch to make sure she got out of there? So what’s the deal? Does the bartender only agree to spike a drink if the perp can promise to get the victim out of there right away? And so he watches to make sure so he can know if he can trust the same perp again?

    88. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 10:27 am

      #86. Do we really even know Natalee left CC’s with J2K? Or did she get in the car from some other place?

      No one saw her get in the car.

      CC’s closed at 1AM.

      MB friends said Natalee left the bar at 1:30AM.

      Some MB friends went from CC’s to Choose a Name bar.

      Deepak said he drove by Choose a Name bar after driving around a bit after leaving CC’s (of course he says Nat was in the car that whole time, but that doesn’t make it true)

      And don’t forget the MB boy who said he saw Nat dancing with Joran about 1:30 that morning. She was not dancing with him at CC’s according to witnesses and anyhow, CC’s was closed by then.

    89. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 10:30 am

      adding onto #88….what’s with this name, Choose a Name? What if they named it that because you could choose a person for the bartender to drug there? Far fetched, I know. But what a great island secret if it were true.

    90. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 10:31 am

      Dutch Team:

      Why was Paulus researching drugs and alcohol
      and lawyers on the computer?

      “There are no coincidences in a murder investigation.”
      Mark Fuhrman

    91. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 10:34 am

      What a fr___en B/S.

      They should change their mission statement to
      “Pick ‘em up and Pass ‘em around”
      If you want to talk about teamwork.

    92. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 10:55 am

      Man, I feel like I’m spamming with all these back to back posts, but I keep remembering things to ponder. So adding onto #88 again…

      Joran said he bought Natalee a drink from the other bar. He leaves it to assume he meant the other bar within CC’s, and he even says that but since he’s a liar, so what. The bar was closed by the time he indicated he bought her that drink. Are we to assume that other bar within CC’s stayed open longer than the one Nat was at with her friends initially? Or does ‘other bar’ really mean ‘other’ establishment? It would be a ‘bar’ so in Joran land he would only be twisting the truth like he so loves to do. (recall him saying he was at the Wyndham when his Dad called and then when it was found he wasn’t at the Wyndham he says he was driving past it when his dad asked so that was the same as *at* the Wyndham.)

      What if Nat indicated to Alana Jordan that she was going with this certain group, but she got the groups mixed up and meant the group that was going partying at Choose a Name, not the one that was returning to the Hotel.(which would explain why that group didn’t think anything was wrong right away) By the time she figured it out that partying group would be gone so she ends up walking to Choose a Name alone. Joran stalks her there and then she ends up sharing a ride with him back to the hotel via the Kalpoe cab that just so happens to pull up alongside the curb. Was this anywhere near the corner where Nat’s friends admonished her to get out of the car?

      I think the reason this case is so absent any evidence is due to looking in all the wrong places.

      A psychic once posted on some other board that she saw Natalee standing outside CC’s alone looking for her friends, not finding them she walked off alone being followed by a tall boy. Nat goes down to an intersection and turns (I think she said Nat crossed the street there, but I’m not sure about that anymore) but eventually at that intersection she went out of sight. Where is Choose a Name in proximity to CC’s?

    93. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 10:59 am

      OH, yeah…adding onto #92…wasn’t it the bouncer from Choose a Name that was found dead? And didn’t Choose a Name eventually burn down?

    94. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 11:11 am
    95. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 11:18 am

      Building on J4N # 90:

      Dutch team: How did Paulus go about making phone calls to Joran while claiming to be asleep at the same time?

      How could Paulus not know a thing about Natalee Holloway when Beth first met him at 3 AM on May 31 when he finally answered the door, when his face is there at the black jack table, right next to Natalee on 5/29 at the casino that he claims he left at 6 PM on 5/29?

      How could Paulus leave the casino at 6 PM, yet be at the casino at “8:30″ PM on the same date? Did Paulus forget to tell something in part of his statement, or is this part of the “missing” sections to his statements?

      Does Paulus know how to time-shift?
      How did he pick up his son on 5/29 at 11 PM, when he initially said he picked up his son at 4 AM on 5/30 ?

      Does Paulus need for there to be a “language” discrepancy issue, in order to explain his jumping phone usage, jumping pick up times, jumping departure times from the casino, and sudden loss of memory on 5/31 at 3 AM, when shown a picture of the precious child who was seated right next to him at the casino on 5/29 at 8:30 PM while he claims he was home watching his other son?

      Does Paulus actually think that the FBI agents didn’t understand Papiamentu, or Dutch?

    96. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 11:29 am

      # 92 disgustedmom; You are on a roll
      Pull up the map.
      C.A.N. is /was on HavenStraat
      C and C’s is on West Straat.
      Leave C and C’s. Cross over LG Smith Blvd and
      go past the Royal Mall and turn right. Looks about a block and on half.

    97. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 11:36 am

      Hey, Aruba Tourism,

      If you want to be a” preferred tourist destination” as your mission statement claims, you need to PROTECT THE TOURISTS THEMSELVES.

      And if “something bad happens,” PROSECUTE AND CONVICT PERPS THAT COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST TOURISTS. (instead of covering up)


      P.S. Huge Natalee banners and signs were kept for future events.
      Each protest will become more and more successful.
      When Natalee gets justice, the protests and boycott will end.

    98. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 11:43 am

      When is the New Orleans event?

    99. mary on May 16th, 2007 12:06 pm

      *******************I had no idea that the bar Choose a Name burned how ironic was the bartener really killed I wander what is going on there? Also does anyone know the answer to # 84

    100. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 12:07 pm
    101. Vicki on May 16th, 2007 12:17 pm

      End of June Justice….we need to get those banners ready!!!

    102. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 12:17 pm

      99: maybe the one Sanders Gottenbos lost????

    103. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 12:45 pm

      I had that in the late eighties…

      Dial Phone While Sleeping Disorder

      or as some call it D.P.W.S.D.

      Yes, many a night when I appeared to be resting soundly,

      it turns out after checking the phone records,

      I had called all people in the France

      Phonebook whose last names

      start with the letter P!


      “Yes, Yes, that’s the ticket.”


      Oh Paulus…

      Oh I say, Mr. Huckleberry Hounnnnnd…

      We’d like to have a look

      at yerrrr phone, ya no good



    104. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 1:04 pm

      Please check: Wasn’t Dinesh Djoegan “Pitbull”
      The bouncer at Choose a Name the one that committed suicide but nailing himself to a cross and buring himself with a “BIC”: during the day he was a cement worker. Isn’t he the one that laid the concrete at the Van der Sloots?

    105. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 1:06 pm

      Hey Carpe: That’s not funny. My son’s cell phone calls us randomly 900 miles away. The phones nickname is ET.

    106. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 1:29 pm

      1006….thanks for the links. RE: #96…interesting path. The psychic may have been onto something. I recall she said that the walk Natalee took went past stores (the mall maybe?) but she had significance to one in particular as a landmark. That store had in its window those decorative fabriche eggs (spelling sorry) and or decorative glass balls. Now if that can be verified it would be awesome!

    107. mary on May 16th, 2007 1:54 pm

      1006, where can I read about this death?

    108. Richard on May 16th, 2007 2:34 pm

      I’m going to call the appropriate hotel in New Orleans to make certain about the event. Last I knew, they weren’t clear on Aruba’s participation. You’d think they’d take some lessons from Boston and Miami … hey, the more money they dish out on non-productive travel shows, the worse their economy gets. Doesn’t bother me one bit …

      Pearl (#83), with all the questions you raise, let me raise one more. What would the reaction of Americans be if Aruba let it be known that not only the events you outline had come to pass, at least some of them, but that the girl in question had been taken off the island still alive and handed over to some drug lord?

      I know, nobody believes it … few people even believe it’s possible … but which scenario would be utterly and forever destructive of Aruban tourism? Some threads back I posted the atrocious story about an attack on Italian female tourists at Cape Verde, where they were lured to a remote area by a tour guide and his friends, assaulted, buried in a pit and killed by stones thrown at them.

      (One survived by playing dead, and later escaped and turned the guilty in. Italy sent a diplomatic observer to make certain that there would be no cover-up. There wasn’t.)

      BECAUSE CAPE VERDE TOOK ACTION, tourism hasn’t been permanently affected. Had Aruba taken action in the early days, its beaches would again be busy, I imagine.

      Now think about the abduction abroad scenario. That, if ever confirmed, would kill off tourism to Aruba forever.

      I’m not saying it is the truth, I’m just not writing it off. Not yet.

    109. Pearl on May 16th, 2007 3:37 pm

      Richard, #108….Please fill us in if you learn more details about the next big tourism event coming to a local USA city from Aruba…particularly, New Orleans.

      I don’t think the good people of New Orleans take the issue of racism and false accusations hurled at innocent Black men as “family friendly” actions.

      Perhaps its best to warn not only all young females and their families about their precious daughters becoming planned targets of drugging, kidnapping, rape and murder,that ends up getting sanctioned by Aruban law enforcement, but that young Black men as well could become the next “targets” for false accusations and framings of “kidnapping, rape and murder” in order to prevent the arrests of men like Joran, Deepak and Satish whose first course of action in “helping in any way they could”, was to LIE, LIE, LIE when asked WHERE they put Natalee Holloway.

      What do you suppose the 80% or more American tourists who fed Aruba’s tourism in the past would think of “HEAVY BATTERY” as part of the ‘you are like-family to us’ balogna spin that Dompig tried to sell to Americans when he slandered Natalee’s good honorable reputation by accusing her of possession of drugs?

      Do you think tourists would want to go to Aruba to be falsely accused of drug possession?

      Would parents want to send their precious children there after the treacherous cruelty inflicted upon Natalee and her family, where guys like Dompig come up with “witnesses” who happen to be their BROTHER IN LAW, who are willing to create all sorts of lies and fabrications that pump up that “happy island” motif, while verbally assaulting an innocent child who can no longer speak for herself, torn from her loving family, while Dompig sits there accusing her of drug possession?

      How about being accused of kidnapping, rape and murder if you are an innocent black man? Does that sound like “happy” and “paradise” to you?

      What American New Orleans family would want to choose “HEAVY BATTERY” that was sanctioned by Aruban law enforcement, along with KIDNAPPING, GANG RAPE AND MURDER as their “vacation package” to a place like Aruba, along with the added throw in of possible accusations of murder if you are a black male, or becoming the victim of drugging, gang rape and murder if you are a young child?

      Better yet, perhaps we should ask the Dutch team this:



      Isn’t it strange Richard?



    110. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 3:50 pm

      Aruba Tourism:

      Are you cheering on those Dutch investigators?

    111. JusticeforNatalee on May 16th, 2007 3:52 pm



    112. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 3:56 pm

      LOL 1006! #105

    113. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 4:06 pm

      Gerold Dompiggly is a NO GOOD piggy wig,

      if ever such a treacherous piggly wig,

      there wuz!

      I think the three words

      that best describe him are,

      Stink, Stank, Stunk!

      It is in his ‘GENERAL DIRECTION’…

      in which I choose to

      do some things.


      -We Love Natalee!
      DAY #716

    114. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 5:10 pm
    115. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 5:24 pm

      Pearl! That was one of your best posts yet! You are so right on in reminding everyone that young girls arn’t the only endangered species but that black guys and really just anyone could be charged with anything over there.

      As a matter of fact i bet since its been slim pickens in the female victim pool that Aruba criminals are zeroed in on male vistitors for theft, robbery….ect.

      Oh yeah Pearl, in Aruba there is a musical phone, hotel managing/owner and bartender game going on over there.

    116. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 5:32 pm

      Is that true…..that Pitbull was a CEMENT WORKER aswell as a bartender??


      SM:   I’d like to know myself –  that’s the first I’ve heard of it (klaasend)

    117. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 5:38 pm

      Its like when things they don’t know how to handle blow up in their faces, everybody in Aruba just shifts positions.

    118. Maggie on May 16th, 2007 5:38 pm

      Joran must of had friends working at CnC and taking Natalee to another bar in the place after it closed and away from her friends is highly suspicious. He states he had a VIP pass to CnC so Deepak and Satish could get in also. It wouldn’t be a stretch to think one of them would put something in her drink. Isolating someone from their friends is one of the first moves of a predator. How convenient, he don’t remember with the help of who, he got his pass. I’ve always felt Natalee was drugged.

      Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don’t have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

      To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

      Joran has stated he told her he was 19 so that don’t sound like a high school student who said he had to get home to do his school work or take senior tests. It was also stated he said he was a tourist/soccer player from Holland, so why would Natalee want to go see his “big house” The only thing big on him is his self indulgent ego. He could’ve said he was staying at the same hotel or the one close by and Natalee thought it was a taxi and shared a ride. If you lied to and deceived someone to get them to go with you, I would say that is kidnapping. She wanted to stay on the beach because I had no condom, that is the dumbest, big fat lie he ever told.

    119. Maggie on May 16th, 2007 5:44 pm

      Greta was a defense attorney. I always thought she was saying the things she says, to make the Kalpoes mad so they would talk. Even by going to their house when she went to Aruba. That and facing a lawsuit if she said otherwise. I haven’t watched Greta much and I used to watch her all the time, then bringing out 3 or 4 defense attorneys to comment on the stories. You can almost quote a defense attorney, before they even speak.

      I watched the lineup and I like Kim much better, but when she asked David Koch if he still had her picture on his wall of his office.. I thought that was off the wall.

    120. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 5:45 pm

      Good afternoon klass! This is the first time i’ve heard of that, if thats true maaan what a twist that would be!


      SM:   Yes, I agree!   If Pitbull was the one who worked for the cement company that did work at the Sloots it would be a huge coincidence don’t you think?

    121. 10061906 on May 16th, 2007 5:48 pm

      107 Mary: Until I can find the link. Here is some info.
      A woman found the mutilated body of the 25-year old Dinesh Djoegan near the Guadirikiri cave. The body was set on fire. It could be identified thanks to a tattoo he had. The autopsy revealed that he had cocaine in his body.
      ARUBA – Family and friends of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan submitted a petition with the Public Prosecutor (OM). They are very disappointed that there was no information regarding the investigation on the murder of Pitbull. The 25-year old man was found dead near the Guadirikiri cave in April.
      “Every time we call, they tell us that we need to wait. Wait for what? It is already two months ago that Pitbull was murdered and we are in a lot of pain. The pain gets bigger because nobody has been arrested yet”. The first name and signature on the form is of his wife, followed by names of family, friends, and colleagues.
      The petitioners want to know how the investigation progresses and what the results are. “We want to know the motive for killing a loving person in such a cruel manner. How can we put him to rest if we do not know anything?”
      The prosecutor confirmed having received the petition. The spokesperson of the OM indicated that they wouldn’t comment on the case. “We are in contact with the family of the victim. We won’t give more information.”
      ARUBA – Four suspects were arrested in connection with the murder of Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan. The 25-year old Djoegan was found dead near the Guadirikiri caves in April. His body was mutilated and set on fire. One man (M.L.) was arrested on Saturday and two women (K.H. and C.H.C) and another man (S.H.) on Sunday. The Police searched the homes of the suspects and found drugs and money. The spokesperson of the Public Prosecutor didn’t say what the relationship between the suspects and Pitbull was.
      The four suspects are also suspected of drug dealings.
      Morning paper Bon Dia reported this morning that Pitbull’s wife was called and told that she would find some things at the place where her husband’s body was found. According to Bon Dia, she found a three-page letter, a bottle of Vodka, a joint, and an old iron cross. She handed the object to the Police and she gave Bon Dia a copy of the letter and authorized them to publish it.

      My comments to follow…Of course no one said why the woman was in the cave.
      The crime was solved rather quickly because there were no male offspring of prominent officals involved. Single layer onion.
      Klaasend: I will try to find that link about “Pitbull” being a cement worker

    122. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 6:16 pm

      Heck yeah klass… so many other coincidence’s in this case. You couldn’t make this stuff up i swear!

      How can we confirm or deny that bit of info? What a bombshell if true!

      Also wish we knew more of that minister that wouldn’t even meet with Dave for days on end, a minister of all people who had to know how desperate Beth & Dave were and needing the support of the clergy. What do we really know about him?

    123. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 6:24 pm

      Hey Maggie that last paragraph is the most cogent phrasing of how bad Jurine’s lies were i’ve read to date.

      Whoa Maggie…..thanks for reminding what Kimberly said about Koch having her pic on his wall!! I’ve been trying to catch up and forgot she said that!

      Oh maaan what a weird thing to say and on air too!

    124. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 7:09 pm

      116 – That’d be real interesting to know if Pitbull
      was a cement worker that was possibly contracted
      to lay ‘crete’ around the Van der scum’s
      pool area!!! Now wouldn’t that be a friggin’
      hoot and a half. Hmmmm -j4n

    125. Carpe Noctem on May 16th, 2007 7:14 pm

      119 – Maggie, I thought so too, but Cock said he put it back up. =)

    126. Helena on May 16th, 2007 7:21 pm

      Sparrow # 73 I agree with you that Beth is very brave. I pray for her and all of Natatlee’s family. Beth has set an amazing standard for behavior under stress.

    127. disgustedmom on May 16th, 2007 7:41 pm

      #118…Maggie! Your remark that if Joran told the tourists he was 19 *then why would he tell Natalee he had to get home because of school* is a very good observation!

      And the answer to that has to be …’he wouldn’t!’

      Joran’s lies are going to trip him up sooner or later!

      So why would he make up the school story? Because of course, he was trying to make like he didn’t do anything wrong…and why would someone want to make like he wasn’t doing anything wrong? Because he WAS doing something wrong.

      He is so guilty!

      Bring on more lies, Joran! Let us all cross reference them.

    128. mayan_moons on May 16th, 2007 8:02 pm

      Very interesting Carpe! Scrolling up to see who said that…how do they know this?

      If Pitbull did it thru the company there could be an account on it (hard copy).

    129. katablog on May 16th, 2007 8:56 pm

      Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies in Joran’s statements (oh, I’ll bet that was a news flash). He not only said he was 19, remember he also said he was a tourist – so why would a tourist show Natalee his house?

      My bet is Natalee wasn’t conscious when they stopped at the van der sloot dump.

      Greta comes off as a good news anchor – until one knows the story she’s reporting on. Then, you start catching that Greta isn’t up to date. She forgets what one person tells her when she’s asking questions of the next. Nancy Grace is a big ham, but she is so good at being direct and calling people on the carpet when they give out bull.

      Aruba Vacationers:
      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations. It might be cheap – but in some cases its DEAD cheap.

    130. b4igo2it on May 16th, 2007 11:52 pm

      Post 104 blows my mind. I feel sorry for his wife and family. Maybe they will NOW see what is happening and get the Arubans to help us out more. When events hit home, people start to see things in a different light. Should we be sending information directly to the Netherlands authorities? I think they need to know about the bazarre death of Pitbull and possibly his connections to PVS. This case is so bazarre and it keeps getting more and more bazarre! J4N
      Aruba Vacationers:
      Beware of predators in Aruba, Aruba vacations, Aruba hotels, Aruba weather, Aruba beaches, Aruba flight information, Aruba scuba diving, Aruba restaurants, Aruba night life, Aruba accommodations. It might be cheap – but in some cases its DEAD cheap. This is an evil place filled with cover-ups, corruption, drugs and thugs. Boycott Aruba!

    131. Carpe Noctem on May 17th, 2007 12:21 am

      Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies in Joran’s statements

      (oh, I’ll bet that was a news flash)


      ROFL Katablog

      Understatement of the Year, huh?

    132. mary on May 17th, 2007 8:49 am

      I am sure the police are thinking that they can get away with not really looking into Pitbulls death because they can just say it was a drug deal gone bad.

    133. blue on May 17th, 2007 11:08 am

      It seems Greta has gone to Aruba and gone a bit more “dutch.” Afraid of that summons? Afterall Van Sustren sounds a wee bit Dutch. blue

    134. mainemonkey on May 17th, 2007 10:22 pm

      #20 hmmmn interesting deduction regarding a nicer home… what about lorenzo’s place

    135. Donna on May 18th, 2007 7:30 am

      Greta is afraid of Tacopina and his threats on behalf of Joran. Did Joran charm her pants off when she interviewed him a year ago? Greta your credibility and journalist abilities, not to mention your legal credibility, is waivering.

    136. mainemonkey on May 18th, 2007 8:42 pm

      Hi Monkeys! Here’s just another quirky coincidence brought to you by…..

      Aruba Home Probed in Holloway Case is the Headline of a May 12th, 2007 article that appeared on Fox online news. It was an AP story out of Oranjestad, and the AP writer was named as Margaret Wever…. Wever??? that name popping up again. Coincidence, or relative of Guido??? Just another something to ponder on Fox News.

    137. mainemonkey on May 19th, 2007 12:01 am

      Headline should read:


      Gorilla escapes at Dutch zoo, injures 4 By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer
      Fri May 18, 7:26 PM ET

      AMSTERDAM, Netherlands – A 400-pound gorilla escaped from his enclosure and ran amok in a Rotterdam zoo Friday, biting one woman, dragging her around, and causing panic among dozens of visitors before he was finally subdued, officials and a witness said.


      The Diergaarde Blijdorp zoo was evacuated and the 11-year-old gorilla, named Bokito, was eventually contained in a restaurant within the park, police spokeswoman Yvette de Rave said.

      Four people were injured, including the woman who was bitten, zoo director Ton Dorrestijn said.

      Bokito was shot with a sedative dart and recaptured, said zoo spokeswoman Lilian Jonkers, but she couldn’t say what his condition was. It was not immediately clear how he managed to climb the high stone walls surrounding his enclosure.

      “He got over the moat, which in itself is remarkable, because gorillas can’t swim,” Dorrestijn said. “He got onto a path for visitors and started running and went at full speed through tables and diners at the Oranje restaurant.”

      A witness, Robert de Jonge, told NOS radio that he didn’t see the gorilla escape but began following it and tried to help after he saw people running and screaming that the animal had grabbed a woman.

      “I saw the beast running through the park with a woman behind him, him grabbing her forearm,” De Jonge said.

      At a distance of around 30 yards, he saw the gorilla lie down near the woman and then heard her scream.

      “He bit her, or I think he bit her, because when he stood up his mouth was covered in blood,” De Jonge said.

      He said he then stopped to tell arriving police what had happened and ran with them as they traced the gorilla to a nearby restaurant terrace.

      The zoo was packed with visitors as many Dutch took advantage of a national holiday Thursday to make a long weekend.

      “Everyone was in panic, running away, screaming, wailing, screaming kids running around, I don’t know what all, kids without parents – it was a total drama,” De Jonge said.

      Children cowered in their parents’ arms as the gorilla loped past.

      People tried to hide inside the restaurant and were trying to bar the door, but fled as the gorilla approached, De Jonge said. Bokito then punched through the glass door and ran inside.

      “They were all in panic – the animal, too, I mean – and all the people ran outside the restaurant, and zoo personnel were running up and they were able to keep the animal inside by barricading the doors with garden furniture and things,” he said.

      De Jonge said he later saw the woman “covered in blood,” but walking

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