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Before you watch Greta … see what Friend of Monkey has to say about her conversation with Mickey John.
I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if Deepak told him, he said “I never should have left her with Joran”
HE SAID NO, NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot after he lighthouse. Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS “family”
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to. As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS “family” he doesn’t know if it includes “Tom Dick or Harry” to quote Mickey John. Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth. Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.
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Lord, just give the family resolution to this sordid affair.
Then why were they washing their car at 2 am?
Lucy!!! Your words!!! LOL
After seeing Natalee’s hotel room, her mom showing Natalee’s passport, I felt a chill deep in my bones. I am not “seer” but I do very much believe in the Lord. The feeling I felt was one that Natalee is no longer with us amoung the living
I wish I could have felt something else but I did not and I am crying. I cannot explain why her story has drawn me to the this website and kept me on pins and needles, starving for more information. I pray that some resolution or that at the very least that her family and friends may find some sense of peace one day. I also pray that if Natalee is by some miracle alive, that she will find her home one day.
God bless you Natalee and your family.
Hi check
Any news?
Which ones? Here or there?
Kristin, your post is so sad. Let go let God. It is heartbreaking to hear you talk. If we did not have blogs, who would you have shared these feelings with?
SGC claims he does not know *any* of the boys. He is so full of SH*T!!! He is so guilty, it is POURING off of him.
Lucy, lol, here, indian name…
When was this shown Kristin?
and then the sorrow turns into anger…
Never mind.
Anna- if you move over to this thread…
I’m checking out the photos from that raver site. I’m thinking, though, that there HAS to be ONE Aruban here who has seen Lorenzo and knows what he’s about. Why is it that Joran has his supporters but Lorenzo is “underground”?
Can’t anyone get the US media to find this rave house or this Lorenzo and start asking questions?
Lucy it was just shown on Fox..not meaning to answer for Kristin…/hug Kristin I feel the same its really sad
There is undoubtedly much that the investigators have not leaked to the press. For instance, the complete results of their search of the VDS home, phone call and email logs…
I find it difficult to comprehend that three or four amateurs (or at least, not hardened criminals), including three teenagers, could pull off some sort of perfect crime without leaving a heady trail of evidence, one or more breaking down under interrogation, or leaking details to someone else.
I told myself I would not continue to follow this case, as a) there are far more pressing issues in the world, and b) the media has turned it into a ratings bonanza, profiteering off a family’s tragedy.
But it is compelling if for no other reason than there are almost no answers almost a month later.
Is everybody, but Lucy and I, watching Fox?
this whole thing is very sad. i can’t imagine what her mother is going through. I have a 9 year old….and though I will make different choices with her than Ms. Twitty did with her daughter, the love a mother has for a child is so strong; that you would give your life for them. I just wish that Natalee’s family would be given some peace.
I pray every night that Natalee is found.
Good Night everyone; and I hope tomorrow is a brighter day.
@ Checkme. Yes, I am sad. I am sad because I know first hand the pain her family feels. I know of the dispair and desperation they felt because I was missing for 10 years by my own choice. I was angry with my parents that I left and never looked back. I did not think of the pain they must have felt until I finally forgave myself and my parents and made contact. I pray to God that her family need not wait as long as mine did to get an answer. My mom, like Beth, never gave up hope that I was alive. She says that because she was my mother, she could just *feel* it inside that I was alive.
I do not for a minute believe that Natalee left on her own free will. I believe that while she may have left C&C voluntarily, whatever happened from that point on was not by her choice.
God have mercy on those that brought harm to Natalee.
blue water
Also, why is it so difficult to find solid information about the other missing person in Aruba and the beheaded corpse found in a cemetery? I would think this would be bigger news on a small island with relatively few murders. Who is this “Lorenzo” you speak of, and why has his name been mentioned over and over.
Is SGC the Croes guy released yesterday?
IF Dan Rhiel’s latest posts are verified, then Joran and the Kalpoes passed lie detector tests about everything EXCEPT where they last saw Natalee. Now, this could be complete BS, but it also could be that our tipsters were correct, and the Kalpoes last saw Joran and Natalee NOT at the beach, BUT at a rave house, and Joran last saw Natalee when he left her there “with the lions.”
Hope & Kristi
Don’t know what to tell you. Beth must be devastated.
NewGirl: My feelings, too. All those people (and I think SCroes is the dj but he looks heavier there) seem to travel in the same groups and go to the same parties. Someone has to know what happened. Maybe nobody wants to be implicated in something larger, or in her disappearance. Sorry it took so long to get here; my cats just had a fight and broke my work laptop lcd screen!
I’ve just been an observer for weeks watching y’all. I moved over to Riehl World yesterday to keep up with you. I live on the west coast (CA) and believe me, we are all keeping watch. What concerns me is the length of time the “boys” were given to cover up any evidence. As a Mother, I cannot imagine what this poor woman is going through. We are only hoping for the best. I thank you all for your input. God Bless.
Thank you Kristin.
Oyster, I’ll cut and paste a post I made at the end of the 1197 thread…hold on..
Checkme
We don’t have Fox here, so I usually read the transcript and the Greta blog. Was this on On The Record, or another program? Also, do you know if SGC was on Fox, or in one of the networks?
My gosh, why would anyone disappear for 10 years (KRISTIN!) and not tell her mother! What a demon you are! Also what the heck is it with BLUE WATER? Are you sleeping with I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS?
Sorry guys - but this is kinda long. Skip if you’re not curious about Lorenzo:
The following are cut-and-pasted Lorenzo-related posts from the past (and the last two are purportedly from a psychic rvmaui:
According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.
Per AmericaninAruba:
The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.
A poster from Aruba on Scared Monkeys is claiming that in addition to SGC, there was another guy detained yesterday. This other guy, Lorenzo, is known to be wild and crazy, especially since his father killed himself a few years ago, according to the poster.
The other person, a “Lorenzo” who was allegedly questioned yesterday, is a crazy dude whose father owned the local VW dealership but the father offed himself a few years ago.
the lorenzo character - hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here….but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness…
teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) - i have no idea!!!
The lorenzo guy reportedly has connections to drugs and parties. The
Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don’t think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party”. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.
This “Lorenzo” kid’s name was mentioned from the very beginning..In fact it is the first name I heard when this whole thing started…. My guess is that he must have been involved with her sometime during her trip, and that they are now bringing in EVERYBODY that had come in contact with her…. (from what I hear, “lorenzo” is ONE troublemaker…… )I don’t know him, but I know he has had problems with the law before…..something about a fight at one of his parties….can’t remember the details…
does anyone one remember the first couple of night we were all talk ing someone said basically, “when this all shakes out there are going to be major ramifications, there are ppl involved that are high up”.. and it aint gonna be pretty….sounds like this guy knew something about the actual crime…this was post in the other area before we had this forum.. does anyone remeber and also, do you know who this might have been…
I don’t know if his name is Lorenzo or not…
But from the very beginning “the son of an ex Vwagen dealer” was somehow involved….. He was the first one mentioned….
rvmaui
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: missing girl
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Blue Volkswagon. maybe van or sedan?
High Road.Dead End. National Park
black plastic bag. moist in a dry area.
2 bulders.
leg twisted back.
Thats all i got.
I’m a little sick now.
I hope they find her.
rvmaui
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: missing girl
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A bird could lead the way to the location of her body. or a bird watcher.
what I mean by moist in a dry area, or what I see is an area that is normally dry and water some times splashes or drips on the location.
DNA to be found in a blue volkswagon? not sure I see a blue hatchback of a vehicle with the emblem of volkswagon I think. not blood.
I could be full of shit.
Yliana……………Would you happen to be here?
Lucy,
Movie with Tom Hanks…
Hope
Can you check the 10:27 post, please? Your name was supposed to be there also.
I pray for Natalee every night. This is driving me to the proverbial drink.
But normally, especially with younger people, someone would crack, someone would break down under guilt, fear or coercion and tell something. Perhaps this has happened, and perhaps the Aruban government is wiser than we think. If FOX News were swarming my town, turning it into its own private stage, muckraking for muckratings, I would probably give them as little information as possible.
Hopefully they will solve the case and FOX will have been way off.
About linguistics, he started writing “with an accent” and eventually, a few lines down became fluent.
Yes, oyster, but when in the name of beejeebers is ARUBA GOING TO SOLVE IT?
Checkme? Lucy?
Did anyone just seet he interview with the security guard?
There are few people who fall outside a family-social-control circle here in Aruba. LvR is one of them. I have mentioned this on multiple posts from the beginning.
Lucy, we don’t have Fox here either… That’s why we were the only ones for a while.
Where is shango?
The media………ALL the MEDIA needs to go……….
Ally! WE heard you were mugged. I always heard Miami was dangerous
Ally,
Yes dear, we are hear. Sorry to hear you were mugged yesterday. Did you get your license.
I can’t believe the only thing at this point we are hearing from ARUBA IS THERE reputation. my perspective on this and I have many like all do. is ARUBA and the netherlands have deep issues. And I PRAY TO GOD that a AMERICAN CHILD as NATALEE IS NOT being used as a pawn between the two. Natalle is a human being who is missing the human race not just america want to know why? to think about your lost money ARUBA at this point tells alot of common sense folks not just AMERICA where your prioritys are. NATELLE is MISSING ARUBA we want her home. SO simple. FIND HER GIVE HER BACK NOW. JUST FIND HER FIND HER FIND HER.
What about the 10:27 post?
Hey you ally, read your posts. Missed you too. Now I have to worry every damn day you go to work???
Wanted to know if the SGCroes interview was also on Fox. Thanks.
MickeyJohn said that Deepak said that told him that Joran and his family (not his father), he said family told them to say that they took Natalie back to the Holiday Inn
I read somewhere that he was paid not to… But after last posts I think that was a dud.
What’s the matter Lucy?
buyme
Shango is sacrificing a goat and a cock, to get his power and inspiration for the night.
Got a 2 X 1 at the Voodoo Convenience Store.
Brenda-AMEN!
it is unbelievable to me that they are so worried about tourism! Hello, If you fixed the problem…you wouldn’t have no need to worry! We just want Natalee found. I am sure though after this alot of people (me included) have had my eyes opened by this in regards to international travelling. Aruba is definately the last place I would go to.
So they did not leave her at the beach. We’d figured not, right? Wish we knew what the questions were — but Joran leaving her somewhere else would explain why he hasn’t broken in interrogations and “confessed” — or failed any question regarding harming her, if those types of questions were included.
Who is Greta taking to right now - Arlene — what is her title, if anyone knows.
Ok if he said ‘family” wouldnt you think taht would mean more than just papa vds or is there anyone else besides the mom that would fit into said ‘family”?
@ scaredsh*tless - Think of a lot of anger and pain. I never knew my dad, just my stepdad. While there was no sexual abuse, there are emotional and mental abuse that I suffered. The day I vanished was the day that my mom told me that she was spending the rest of her life with him and that I had my own life. So off I went. I take offense to being called a demon. There was not a day that went by that I did not feel guilt and as the years piled on, the harder it was to contact them out of fear of punishment. My family is at peace finally though one of my brothers refuses to acknowledge that I exist because of all the pain I caused my family. No mother should have to suffer not knowing where her child is. This is why this affects me so much.
that aruban lawyer was pretty hot
Shango has more sense tham to bring a bunch of newbees into this at this late date…MJ is full of IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I was…never thought Miami was dangerous, thought I was invincible until yestersday….I will never stay late at work again…It was very violating…
thanks SS, for the concern—glad to see that u are on here…………….
checkme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad u are here…missed u to pieces
Yes, that’s what was said at Greta’s blog in ref. to yesterdays programmed interview, but Hope and/or Kristin refer to it up above.
That Arlene lawyer from Aruba is strikingly beautiful. But that Marianne Croes person is a nerdy yuck……
People, I must leave you… Still have to do some things in the house… very sorry. Hope to cu tmrw. Amor i Luz
The hints from the tipsters and the early rumors about Lorenzo made it sound as though Lorenzo was psycho and potentially violent. Subsequent hints were that he has slaughtered dogs, that he was getting friendly attention from Natalee during the first 3 days of her vacation (because he seemed cool and crazy), and that he got pissed off and jealous when she began paying attention to Joran. I believe also that Lorenzo is 5 or 6 years older than Joran and rumors say he has buddies in the drug and police realms. Oh yeah, and it is rumored that LORENZO, and not Joran, is featured in the video of the gang rape of the 14 year old girl.
These things may explain why nobody is speaking. If I was a teenager in-the-know, I wouldn’t risk my neck going up against a corrupt police official and his psycho-dog-slaughtering-Natalee-raping-and-slaughtering-gang-rape video-making buddy. Especially if it also meant possibly busting my friends and also getting myself in trouble with the law / my parents for taking drugs or hanging out at illegal drug parties.
Poor Poor Pitiful K in Sc……get real, this is…….
blue water
Arlene is cool. Maintain respect, I know her very well.
Kristin, it takes a lot of courage for u to disseminate this info on this blog, i would not judge u as no one can attest to what you have endured…all i can see is that i am glad u found your way here and we will support u on your way back to happiness….kisses to u, my love
Ally - you are one intelligent lady! Kristin from SC: my husband ALSO had a mom who chose his stepdad over him ! She kicked him out (her son that is). But run away? NEVER! That is a horror you put on your folks, much like suicide. At least w/suicide they have a body to mourn over. I have 2 teens…to me, that is a horrible thing you did to your Mom!
no doubt scared, no doubt. . . ever seen the movie Spartan? I’m thinking NH was trying to end her trip on a high note, got herself into a situation that got out of control, was possibly drugged and who’s telling where she is now. Bottom line, unfortunately I don’t think this is going to have a happy ending - hope I’m wrong.
Checkme, I meant no disrespect to Arlene. Just wondered what her last name was and title because I missed hearing it when out of the room! No opinion on her whatsoever.
Checkme
Boy, you are really spreading yourself thin lately …
Why don’t we try this again?????? Where is NH?????
Oh no, Checkme, don’t go! I’m sad. I wanted to ask more about what you meant by this: There are few people who fall outside a family-social-control circle here in Aruba. LvR is one of them.
Checkme….dont go, i have waited all day to talk to u
blue
Lucy–What?
Dana, that’s getting annoying
Who knows when. To family, friends and acquaintances in her hometown I can see how every hour, every day without a development, without progress, without results drags like an eternity. To the rest of us, we have been duped into a 24-hour cable drama. Notice how, when they discover potentially revealing information, they will tease it all day, only to reveal what turns out to be a minor new twist of words or events in prime time. We remain glued to our sets, they remain utterly dependent on stories like this to sell advertising to the Viagra folks.
Dana dear..Why you say blue water? You need to replace my fat Danish woman?
Just wondering if the Steve Croes interview was also on Fox tonight.
I am sorry Lucy… movie, tom hanks?…
I have been spreading myself very thin with a lot of things. Blogging is completely new to me and I am completely addicted our little space here. I am very tired, dishes are stacked up to the ceiling and now Ally is missing me? How am I supposed to leave?
newgirl - what inside scoop does arlene have - what does she think happened?
Newgirl — a site you might like to read in light of your cut-n-paste about Lorenzo and the psychic stuff. Reading your post gave me the willies, because of a few statements on this site someone posted at another forum:
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Look for “hall way” and “look up! look up!”
luv u hallways
I Yell Chris and DANA belong together…they are both NUTS
Why don’t you girls go back to Yahoo and TRY to find a room you like??? This is serious here and we want serious input
scared - leave Kristin alone! What she did as a teenager, and her reasons and feelings, are in the past. And you should not say such mean stuff to her. Her family has made peace with her to the most part, and that is good.
Lucy, could not get my license damn long wait…I am angry, though i order it on line—it takes 7 days…and i am going away this weekend and I always get carded—so hopefully, my birth certificate will be enough…
I am also melancholy, b/c i HAVE WAITED AALL DAY TO TALK TO CHECK ME and he left me ;-(
Do I detect 2 romances? One between Ally and Checkme and the other between I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS with “blue water” intoxicated Dana?????
@ Ally thank you for your words, but I am not here for me, I am here to support Natalee, her family, friends and the rest of us that are more concerned about her well-being than the all-mighty dollar. The Natalee bashers here have to be amoung the lowest forms of life that ever emerged from the slime we came from.
@scaredsh*tless, you do not need to remind me. I know the pain I caused and I will spend the rest of my life regaining their forgiveness and respect…as for my mom, she is just happy to have resolution.
God, please bring resolution and peace to Beth and her family. GOd please also watch over Natalee wherever she may be, alive or not.
@ the rest of you, please, no more about my vanishing act. I have enough guilt to live with as it is.
Dana: Apartments?
I think Dana is a fish who misses her blue water
new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
That’s what I meant.
Dcburgh, I don’t believe I mentioned Arlene. But from other posts here it sounds like she’s a Beautiful Aruban attorney who was just on television
I knew an Arlene who had FAT CALVES
C’mon, guys, I am supposed to be writing my resume as my family is furious b/c of what happened to me yesterday and want me to transfer ASAP, and what am I doing? writing u guys…i am addicted to..neber blogged before this past month and I am addicted also…and I adore check me—he makes me want to be “a better woman”—in the words of Jack Nicholson—As good as it gets!!
Yliana…talk to me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
I am in love with radio talk show host, age 79, BOB GRANT but here I sit, alone with my p.c.
new girl - my bad, meant for checkme
Wow, checkme. The guy sounds like trouble. Where’s LvR’s mother? Is she out of the picture?
what have the psychics stated about this case? any insight?
checkme - what inside scoop does arlene have - what does she think happened?
Is LvR Lorenzo?
Also checkme, if you don’t mind, what does LvR look like? Does he have any distinctive marks on his face?
His mom is totally out of it.
Checkme,The Monkey people demand you. Next time use disposable.
Ref. Hanks, did you notice that in three posts his written accent was gone.
Ally, I promise you tomorrow afternoon around 17:00 I will get on the post so we can talk OK?
Scaredshitless— I dont know about romance…and not that I need to explain this to you…but I have nothing to hide…check me calms me—his words enlighten me, and I quite frankly will stop there as I do not feel I have to validate a special bond that I have with someone to u or anyone, with all due respect….checkme, isn’t it comical when two people adore one another it opens an area of speculation…what a sad world this has become?
Out-of-it as in out to lunch???
Oh, I guess I can blog for a “few” — yeah right, and one tater chip, too!
Hello, all.
LvR — can anyone confirm he has a country house where after parties are held off the beaten path?
Ally - no offense meant! I just felt a “bond” in the air…could it be love? Could it be mere affection?
ally, why don’t you guys get a room . . . lol . . . just kidding, don’t get pissed
I will see u tomorrow, checkme—sleep with the angels…
Ally since when is it a sad world because romance is in the air?
LOL, Lucy, you crack me up… aiaiai, manana no puedo salir de mi casa porque ai mucho basura…
Anna, I’ve been checking the photos at assmotion site…Most of those photos are of people that look older than the type that I was expecting to see at the type of illegal drug party I was picturing. What did you think?
Hi Subdude!!
Oh, so Ally and Checkme are both hispanic! So they can write things in Spanish to one another !
Hi Subdude!
Need any help???
Subdude - are you really “subdued” or “outgoing”?
Goodnight Checkme, thanks for the responses!
Ally, are you AllyinMiami, porque la ultima es mi hermosa.
si tambien pero entiendo espanol
dcburgh—-love, we are in a room…a blog one :-)….if you all listen and reread all his blogs a little more, u will be able, as i did, that he has a presence about him that is contagious and beautiful…He is unequivocally sweet and an insurmountable gentleman…call it what u want–i adore him———-Hi subdude!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top O’ the evenin to ya’, mi Lucia! You know, the story about the lie detectors with JVDS and Kalpoe x 2, if true, sort of backs Shango and others that NH was not last @ Marriot beach.
Has anyone with knowledge of this “Lorenzo” person contacted authorities about him, if indeed he was rumoured to have had contact with Natalee? How did his name surface … from people in Aruba? Do her classmates remember anything about him?
Hey Ally, Hey Scared. Scared I am at times subdued and others outgoing and both when I feel conflicted:)
Scared
Over half of the people that post here know spanish, even if they are not hispanic. A lot of polyglots here.
Checkme said “because the ultimate is my wife”????
Ally: Mugged? I am sorry to hear that. Glad you are okay.
Lucy: Is Lil Ricky asleep?
Dana: You never answered the question. Apartments?
Checkme—si soy yo…estoy cansada de escribir Ally in Miami—each time……for all of u gossip hounds—besos y abrazoz , check me—creo que ellos estan celoso
Another thing Shango or one of the Monkeys said — the main path — it fits in with the psychic above mentioning the main path. Could that be Arikok National Park, where the original Dutch settler ruins are and have the cowboys searched there?
I wish i could remember more of my high school Spanish. I have a Mexican-American relative but he doesn’t live near me anymore to keep me on my toes
NOW………We have all talked before, why am I shut out?
Hey peeps!
I just saw the Mickey Johns interview. He is brave. If the climate there is oppressive, he needs our vigilance and support. He needs to know he does not stand alone IF he is honest and truthful.
any reason no one is listening to Dana…blue water…????
New Girl — I did think the age differences at raves were kinda odd, but maybe it’s a cultural thing. Arubans might be better able to explain to us.
That poor man, Mickey Johns! To think he was thrown in jail by something that little twerp URINE said…..I hope Urine (joran) gets pee’ed on when he gets his just desserts
Subdude
Believe me, then you have not been conflicted later, nor subdued.
AnnaMaria: Is that an accurate spelling on the name of the park? Is it near Seroe Alejandro? You are in Aruba, correct?
Hi everyone!
Subdude
Little Ricky is out checking the the sound of the Mambo tunes with Ethel and Fred.
Yliana! Glad to see you!! Any new news?
yes, many know spanish…but not well…and not many can recognize when simian is writing in an “uneloquent” manner…as other obviously can..checkme—i hope that all this speculation does not discourage you from our communicating with one another b/c u are helping me in more ways than u know
SUBDUDE—-we so have needed your sense of humor on this blog—welcome, back STAY OUT OF LIBERTY CITY, BRO
Hi….Yliana, missed you
Acutally…you guys are all getting buddy buddy..nice but we are here to find Natalee…when the people involved and get ready to share we have to listen…that HAPPENS AT NIGHT…they are partying and open…I speak from experience…let’s find out about Dana’s blue water…
Yliana, finally woke up, after staying on for two consecutive days. A lot of people asking for you today, mid-afternoon.
Larry: You are loved, my brother. Is the name of the National Park “Arawak” or “Arikok”? What is an “Arikok” — go easy, folks, I realize I’m “hangin” out there on this one:)
Dana is not interested in Blue Water! She’s trying to lure I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS into her romantic net!
hi yliana
let’s face it joran will be free in a matter of days if we don’t work here…where is Shango…by the way Siamian is probably Steve Croes…
Sorry for the MIA - was busy today!
Well, local news is on and the prosecutor just reiterated the fact that, in short, the minister of justice had no idea what he was saying and that the police would not detain anyone without at least a suspicion - it would not be based on putting pressure on the son.
Scared
I don’t thing that is the real Dana. She wouldn’t have the patience to write blue so many times and not say anything else.
DANA WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BLUE WATER
It appears the government will soon take action against the international (American) media who is constantly misreporting the case and ifnormation on our legal system.
Sub…….Ariok.let us wait for Yliana, she may give hope……….
Ally:
Glad to help where I can. And to think I was tired a few minutes ago. I really do enjoy the connection through this blog. Very democratic.
Lucy: Fred and Ethel doing the Mambo. The Gringo in me cringes at the thought:)
Yliana: Help with local info, please. Name of National Park? Dana’s repeated “blue water”s mean anything, especially regarding the country house of LvR reported to be off the beaten path in Seroe Alejandro?
Alcati: Dana is just a fish out of blue water
Ally
That silly comment will not refrain him. No need to feel overconscious on somebody else’s account.
oops, missed a K
Told you Joran would be free…and he is the only one that can lead us down the path…without the Bloggers…where is Shango???? So sad…I hope the drug trafficing in Aruba brings them more money than Tourism…because as much as I love the island I would stay away just because they won’t pull out ALL STOPS to solve this one…SO SAD…
Lucy: what silly comment? Don’t be insulting
alcatl—that was pretty funny
Lucy u were right, those simians were imposters, the real simian e-mails me after his blobs to confirm it—he is legit—
What is Lorenzo last name
I just got caught up. Interesting stuff. Amm I included or ignored?
Subdude - Arawaks were the natives back in the day. Parke Nacional Arikok (Arikok National Park) is the national park
I just got caught up. Interesting stuff. Am I included or ignored?
LOL Subdude. Their official website is down, but I found some secondary sites through google. Nothing on what the word means, tho.
“A path from the national park parking lot leads to Cunucu Arikok, a somewhat restored farm at the foot of 500-foot Cero Arikok. (Look for the airport radar station on the top.) Follow the walking trail through the outdoor exhibit that includes a typical cunucu cas di torto (a country house made of mud-and-grass adobe),
The park contains traces of nearly all the significant forces that have impacted on Aruba’s history, including Arawak petroglyphs in the Fontein Cave, the remains of Dutch peasant settlements at Masiduri, plantation houses in the Prins Valley and the ruins of an old gold mining operation at Miralamar.”
The park encompasses 620ft (188m) Mount Jamanota, Aruba’s biggest hill. It’s worth taking the short but stiff walk to the top if you didn’t score a window seat on the flight in and want to get a tip-to-tip perspective.
There’s a road running through the park, but you’ll appreciate the landscape more by exploring one of the hiking trails.
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/arikok.html
Hi Concerned! People here are wondering if Dana went nuts over her constant blogging of BLUE WATER
Fake Dana’s drugs must be kicking in then….have a good ride…hope you meet Natalee on the way…
apartments? nuh — blue water is gorgeous and in pools
Yliana
Can you tell me where thr search is at now please?
Don’t blame Dana’s insane blue waters on myself. I am happily married with very large, big boned Danish wife
Subdude
According to TV reports, since the wind in Aruba blows only in one direction, anything you through any where EXCEPT at least 50 yards out IN THE NORTHERN COAST, will always come back to land.
I heard this many times from Karl Pelham something a CNN correspondent.
alcat - would you rather the police and officials here break the law to find Natalee? So that if and when they do find her perhaps, that the evidence will be thrown out of court because it was an illegal search?
a psychic tought she’s in that national park
Alli- sorry about the mugging; I am glad you are alive!
New Girl, thanks for background on Lorenzo. It fits in with some earlier info./predictions.
where and who is shango???
SSH- thanks for acknowleging me
I hope I am contributing ideas and positive energy. i am a teacher; it’s my job.
LUCY—next time u come to MIAMI—lets get mojitos…..yes alcatl—we are being nicey nice, and i know Natalee is the focus—but look at it this way, her disappearance has allowed and been the vehicle for many new friendships and caring acts..Come have a mojito with us when we find Natalee, and her abductors behind bars..LUCY, Scared, sub…i say we go bunk at checkme’s house
The Equu search has not reported any updates on their search. Unfortunately. But I think it’s because the media are such vultures that they can’t do their search without interference so they are remaining quiet not to tip any reporters as to their whereabouts.
I have the solution to this case….
Why doesn’t the Aruban government let Joran out on Monday provided he packs his bags and gets to school in Florida.
Upon his arrival, let’s have customs search his bags….hmmmmm….ten pounds of cocaine????
Let’s then send him to the big house where the guards will conveniently not watch a certain area of the courtyard while the boy is served up some serious jailhouse justice (complete with sodomy and penetration).
Good old Joran can see another side of law enforcement games, “the set-up”. Joran and his pop are very accomplished at “the cover-up”…now they should witness “the set-up”.
Perhaps then we will get to the bottom of this story and NH will be found.
I will atick with the house in the country threoy and she is alive..Sorry people
HI Chris is large bones eating cheese again? I get the image of blue water when i hear Aruba.
Scared
Didn’t mean to be insulting. Thought she should not give it that much importance and worry about what other might think. If you felt insulted, I apologize, sincerely.
*acknowledging
Shango is a blogger who talks cryptically–and sometimes in Spanish.
Dana: “Conchi” pools?
Larry - Equu search is pleading again to the media to leave them alone. They constantly have little hope to find NH alive - they say it’s a recovery not a rescue.
Yliana
That does make a lot of sense..to a point…..are not the Cowboys a high profile group???
Hi–concerned!!! glad u are here—lucy i have greta tivoe’s…I am going to watch it and post what i have seen—ulet me know, once I do if it is reiterated info…
Ally
That would be a trip … I can just see subdude being conflicted, both subdued and outgoing.
And where did this DANA and all the blue water crap come from??? We had decent input from Sango……What happened?
What kind of car was it that Natalee was seen in last?
Yliana….Tim is saying she is gone then?
Ally: Bunkin’ @ Checkme’s, I’m in.
APB (All Points Bulletin): Does anyone know where Seroe Alejandro is? What does seroe mean, por favor?
Lucy - don’t mind me, I’m a bit sensitive tonight
Dana - blue water reminds me of Fla. sharks
Larry - blue water is never crap
Subdude - love your name
Ally - You are very gregarious & intelligent
Chris who has Danish wife - i feel sorry for you
wowee
As you’ve all hear already, a petition has been sent to the Queen for permission to use the Dutch marines in the Equu search efforts. Some might say, well, they already did once so why all the red tape now - well it’s simple, the equu search is a much more tedious and lengthy endeavour - to pull out the marines to be engaged for such a lengthier period requires official and formal permission.
Hi Alli..Miami. Thanks. looks like we are at a standstill once more. That’s when our friendships seem to form
Kristen in SC:
Everything you went through has made you spiritual and connected to others in pain. You are a wounded-healer; You belong to a very special group of people like yourself. Your life has been a blessing disguised by painful memories.
Yliana…didn’t realize I was suggesting illegal behavior…apologies…also to Dana… I have been sitting back and watching all of you guys talk for a couple of days…I just am getting frustrated as we all are…I think I just want an answer…Also other than than the drug dealer theory…and Joran’s conncetions or fathers involvement…I can’t figure out why someone does just say what happened….it is only out of loyalty for his dad (involvement with organized crime) or fear of being killer by drug dealers that Joran can’t just say that we went to a RAVE, I left her there…also from another thread there were apparently other MB kids at the same party…or course no one is saying this out right but that is the just…so JVDS is spending a month in jail for something he knows about but is NOT sharing for one reason or another…I have traveled a lot and spent time in Kenya…it is no secret that the GOV is corrupt there…people just deal with it…here unfortunately an US girl got involved and we can’t let it go…by the way Yliana…does legal illegal really matter in a corrupt GOV???
Subdude
Yliana is your only hope now, but I’ll give it a try. I think it is in an area?town called Savaneta, east of Oranjestad. Yliana can confirm.
Lucy: Oowie, that stung a tad. Yust Yoking:)
Ya’ll gals are crazy, and I’m a little punchy. Two a.m. blogger last night.
HmmHmmHmm (clearing throat): APB: Where is Seroe Alejandro? What does seroe mean, lovely folks?
IYCIH————enlighten me then on the blue water issue please
Larry, yes, Tim is not optimistic at all - he says he hopes but the odds are against them considering how many days have gone by. But miracles do happen he contends. Nonetheless, their search is based on the fact that she is indeed dead.
Why is Fox News wasting my time with President Bush on instead of Greta? I could not give a sh*t what Bush has to say.
Larry, Dana kept saying BLUE WATER over & over again…like an incantation. We thought she flipped her lid
Okay, sorry - what kind of Toyota did the kalpoe boy have, and does anyone know what Lorenzo does for a living?
blue water
Ok. Here is something that seems to be bypassing the media. I don’t care if cellphone records show that Dpak called Joran or vice versa at a certain time and so on. I can stand beside anyone on this blog and call you and it is not going to tell them
that I was standing beside you or if I was across the island. Only from what town my cellphone is listed in. Then again, there has been no absolute concrete evidence that there are phone records, if it is a local company, I am sure records can be produced, people can be influenced and so on.
For those that have not noticed, Julia Renfro from Aruba Today, you are a true idiot.
Those people at Joran’s school work with his mother. Of course, they are saying that.
If I remember correctly, when they talked To VDS SR. He originally said or told reporters that he did not know that Joran had snuck out, but that he did get home and it was late. I seem to remember he said something more like 3:30 or 4:00 am and that Joran did go to school, but he got there late. I wish I could remember who covered that. Does anyone.
Then, since when do people call one another to let them know they have gotten home when you just dropped them off, such as Joran’s story that first Dpak, and then Satish picked him up and took him home. Esp. teenage boys. Are they gay and maybe a couple and that is their secret??? I highly doubt it.
Yet, they were seen leaving the club at around 1am. I am not sure that most of Natalee’s friends know exactly when the last time was they saw her. No disrespect, but when kids are partying on a post graduation vacation, they do not really notice exact times.
Joran’s father has power and position and so if all they did was drop her off somewhere, it does not make sense to make up all these other things they have to protect him from false speculation. That would take a really stupid person and Paulis strikes me as anything but stupid.
She also had to have a room key or keycard. The keycard and/or her drivers license may be crucial. If either are found with/without her being found it may help them to identify others that were with her.
I am still amazed at how naive or ignorant that Julia Renfro must be. Greta did not even seem to believe her.
I got some strong feeling when Beth H Tweety talked about Natalee having her drivers license with her. I am wondering if that is the piece of evidence that may have been missed. An Alabama DL will stick out like a sore thumb on Aruba. I don’t think they would have necessarily known she had it. I think everyone on here that cares need to email the Fox newscasters(Greta, Geraldo) and encourage them not to let this story die. Beth said “she knows her daughter is on that island” and I know she is right.
I just wish I felt something right now.
Everyone keep this alive.
Kristin in sC: I agree. Do not appreciate Mr Bush takin g up time that could be spent on GReta. Greta looks like my chubby corpulent Danish wife only much thinner. And my wife Ingrid doe s not have crooked smile
Subdude
Are you writing with an Spanish accent? Seroe Alejandro reply up above.
I am always up for a Mijito
Dana, STFU already. We all see it… blue water. Elaborate or stfu.
If I am deducing correctly, our minds seem to be open to the possibility that the
“underground” is deeply involved in this matter. Drugs, raves, corruption (not unknown to any society or community), are the main factors in natalee’s disappearance. Am I on terget or off base?
Kristin in SC…….Methinks Dana is positively insane (or suffering from “the bends”)
alcat - you can have a corrupt govt, judges, lawyers etc. We are a small community and the closeness, I admit, can seem more vulnerable to corruption to you who live in a country where you barely see the person you bumped into at the supermarket twice. But consider that because we are aware of the possibility, our legal system has certain extra precautions to prevent corruption.
AnnaMaria
D. Kalpoe owns a Honda. Lorenzo probably lives from earned interests plus dealing proceeds.
Concerned: all are possibilities.
agreed concerned
Thank you my friend Yliana———My heart skipped a few beats on that reply, yet I was prepared for it……Please give me hope that she can and will be found.D/A.
On Nancy Grace tonight, the CNN guy in Aruba said the team of searchers from Texas were complaining that their equipment would not work properly because there was so much interference from media equipment and so many cell phones right where they were seaching - especially divers trying to talk to people of the ground. If so, this must stop - wouldn’t it be horrible if they missed something because of this?
chris?
Rosemary: that’s when the media gets on my nerves. Enough already! Let Tim do his job! He is a wonderful man.
Elaina - Aruba is not big enough to have destinction on your phone statement saying where the call came from. Wherever you are, you are simply calling from Aruba
amen
Belated “you’re welcome” regarding the Lorenzo stuff, Concerned! And greetings!
Dana - are you monosyllabic?
aruba jamaica ooo iwanna take ya
Yes Lucy, and thanks for the reply on Seroa Alejandro. Kalpoes and JVDS are still lying about where they last saw NH and the question continues to be why??
Either they committed a crime or are afraid and covering for someone who did.
LvR (Lorenzo van Rijn) should be looked @, especially search of his country houses where he hosts after hours raves.
Then , let’s focus on that scenerio.
Could the 4 have gone from C&C to a residence or party?
No judgment on Natalee. We all are, or were, kids.
iIhave 3 children; each would make 3 different decisions. 102 may have gone to the party with Joran.
Next, “something bad happened to Natalee”. That could involve 1,2,3 or a series of bad things ending in death or removal from Aruba.
especially in Miami…almost moved there last year…
Dana: what are you - a frustrated Danish BEACH BOYS fan?
Ok do we know how Joran got home that morning? Did he walk? From the timeline, cell phone calls and IM’s he could have walked, maybe his Dad did pick him up???
Yliana
Does our theory of the country house still stand or are we back at the maze?
Police will be talking to NH’s stepfather soon - on NH’s ex bf. I think they are now looking at other possibilities considering this investigation is not producing sufficient evidence.
*1 or 2
Vie der sein all! I must retire to the bedroom. My big heavy wife is complaining I am on p.c. too many hours now
Re: does anyone know what Lorenzo does for a living?
Checkme wrote above: new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
While I have a bad feeling about things at this point or not, my mind will not allow me to accept that Natalee is dead. I sense a deep, fdark, weave of webs that involve many people in different places. My gut feeling is that Natalee perished the night she went missing. My conscience on the other hand is telling me that that is what everyone involved wants us to think. I also get the feeling that probably some others may be considered as well…that the US Government is some how involved as well. We are afterall talking about Columbia, drug lords, etc and so on. There are plently of covert operations running within the US Government that are funded by drug money as well. Maybe I am just plain crazy.
Dana
Bad beach boys….and the drummer ? name him please
I-Yell…Leave that poor wife of yours alone! Fat means nothing.
Larry - I think the maze need be scratched. As for the country house - that is still a possibility. Clarevoyants (sp?) are ’seeing’ Natalee alive - she cut her hair and dyed it dark.
Goodnight all. I leave work at midnight and then it’s right to bed. I hope when I awake tomorrow, Natalee has been found.
Kristin SC– I agree with you. No society is without corruption. I am one of those crazy people that stares injustice in the face anddemands the truth. I guess that’s why I am here.
Lorenzo supposedly has two houses:
According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.
Per AmericaninAruba:
The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having
underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated
and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.
Supposedly one of them was painted really crazy.
Yliana………when will you or have you finished your degree in Law….Mine is from Stetson in 1980. Work with me on this please
Subdude & Concerned
These Kalpoe guys were just dumb enough to lie about the dropping at the HI, because they felt they could help a frind, given they thought she’d show up in a couple of days.
They were not at C n’C, Deepak was at work, Satish picked him up, they picked up Joran and gave him and Natalee a lift.
The smallest one, Satish will probably be let go. So they say.
IYCITH: Night.
Larry, Yliana, Concerned: I am still focused on the country house scenario. Makes sense. Frankly, in my party days I would have been all over a rave after C&C closed. Nothing unbelievable or insulting to think that NH went to a rave @ LvR’s country house with JVDS and Kalpoes.
The off-the beaten path (maze-like) road to his house in Seroe Alejandro sounds like it fits the much-discredited Shango’s clues. Riehl world reports that Kalpoes and JVDS passed lie detectors except for where the last were with or saw NH.
Without vouching for these facts, the country house scenario fits with them
I, like an earlier poster from CA, USA, have been watching this case from the beginning and reading all your posts, as well. I hestitate to jump in, but some really important info was revealed tonight on Greta’s show. And though all this talk of the intriguing Lorenzo is somewhat fascinating, I think we need to keep to the known facts.
Unfairly accused security guard, Micky John, revealed that Satish Kalpoe told him that the original story about the H.I. was “cooked up” by the boys and the “family.” (Very clever of Micky to question Satish before S. knew his true identity.) This would include Papa. An Aruban lawyer has said this could be grounds to again arrest the elder V.S.
But what I find most interesting is the short interview with party d.j. Croes. He says he doesn’t know any of the three boys and just decided to go to the aurthorities and corroborate their H.I. account out of the blue, cause he’s such a good guy! When pressed by Greta, he says he just did it to “help out some guys, I guess.”
This is beginning to reek of organized crime to me. This smells like someone told Croes to go to the Polis. Like he’s involved/being paid by someone who wants this covered up. (and I don’t mean the v.d.s’s) This also might be more evidence that Natalee is alive, being held.
That’s my take tonight.
Us has known about drugs and money laundering through Aruba for years. I am sure Americans benefit and suffers (i.e. our addicts). It’s time to stop the immorality!
I will stay with the country house theory…………Where else is left???? The ranting of Sango??? Heaven forbid that……..LOL
i meant US….and the country home is plausibe, Subdude! Do not give it up.
Larry - I’ll be done with law in 2 years - unlike in the US where it’s a 3yr program - here it is 5yrs.
Larry - i meant 4 years. - typo
Subdude
It is almost certain that the Kalpoes dropped them at the Marriott, so many people (or Simian) seems to think the key is finding out who escorted Joran to the party and who took him home, if anyone did.
Did you see the Kalpoe Mom interview? You shold see it on Fox.
Concerned, you are up for promotion.
‘Caught the tail end of the local news where I am, and heard a nearby search operation will journeying to Aruba to help out. Apparently, this op works with clydesdale horses b/c of their scenting abilities like the dogs, but also the working horses can move trees etc. B/C of quarrantine reasons, the horses will not be able to go, but this team is going to help out.
Yliana…last year I went on a medical mission to a indeginous area of Mexico…the locals there were scared we were sent to bring disease to them to kill out their population…I don’t think size or respect matters when you are speaking of drug trafficing and the locals that have to be involved for it to happen…I am not calling you niave…I actually have enjoyed your insight over the past 2 days…but you have to realize that bad things happen in good places and I think that is why this case has recived so much attention… also MOST GOV’s contain individuals that are not on the up and up…PVDS wasn’t making as a judge…he gambled…most gambelers lose…and he had a family to support…desperate people do depsarate things…
Lorenzo has the house where the party was happening.
Am I offending you guys…should I find another thread???
I also noticed this aspect of earlier posts about Lorenzo: that the police don’t shut down HIS parties like they shut down the other ones:
someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party”. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.
That could be true. Natalee is either alive and removed from the area OR she has passed over.
Sub—–
Thank you
Lucy:
JVDS needed a car to get he and NH to the rave, right? Satish picked up Deepak @ work in Deepak’s car, they went to C & C’s to pick up JVDS and NH and drove SE to rave near Savaneta instead of NW to California lighthouse. Made up CA lighthouse stroy/direction to put themselves as far away from the place “something bad happened” as possible.
Apparently one of the Kalpoes told Security Guard Johns that he lied about dropping NH @ HI because told to by VDS “family”. Who speaks for the VDS family? PVDS. most likely.
Could the polis commish be related to these parties??
Does anyone here post at websleuths? I thought I had seen crazy-Lorenzo-painted house-painted van posts over there early on, but I can’t use the search feature because I can’t remember the username/password I used to use over there…
Ok - let’s dissect this country theory. C&C closes at 1am. By the time everyone leaves C&C, it’s 1:30. They drive 15 minutes to that country house in Seroe Alejandro, it’s now 1:45. What happens next?
…
Thanks, Chimes. I need incentives to forge forward
If we demand the truth and are unrelentless, this blogging thing could be a nice contribution to our world community. What you say?
Ylana-
Drugs: by choice or not.
Sex: by choice or not.
Something bad happened to Natalie>
Yliana
They leave the bar at 1:30, drive to the lighthouse, is her last night and she wants to see it. Go to the Marriott, Kalpoes go home. Who escorts Joran and NH to the party? Do they run into Lorenzo at the Marriott? Does Joran walk home from there or do they all go to Savaneta and somebody drives Joran home.
LOL, Yliana..took me 4……keep up the greta work…..
Answer me this…………..Will we find her alive?……..A to A?
alcatl - I agree with you; I’m not too fond of this govt either. And I don’t think I’m being naive - I don’t think. It’s just that these wild stories are what you hear of in the movies. Yes, there are drugs here. yes there is corruption, yes we are generally inexperienced when it comes to complicated crimes but the truth is, is that besides the drug trafficking, the big bosses don’t live here. We are simply a “trampoline” - so you see, these drug lords you speak of would have had to follow NH here and wait for that moment to snatch her. It’s too out there!
We need ears to listen, eyes to research, memories to recall, brains to put pieces in logical order. We work best in numbers with a problem like this.
Yliana, I’ll check our tipsters’ old posts on this. One of them (or both) believed that Joran (the “lamb”) delivered Natalee to the rave or else just left her there, presumably after the ‘lions’ began their descent upon their prey.
Supposedly Lorenzo had hung out with Natalee (maybe at the casino? Or a rave earlier in the week), but then started paying attention to Joran. Lorenzo got jealous and angrily confronted Joran. Maybe Lorenzo asked Joran to come by his house that night with Natalee, then decided to ‘teach her a lesson’ about rejecting him in favor of his friends…
Accolades to all. There’s nothing like the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I am concerned in how, we, are all going to deblog, once, and, hopefully when we get our truth.
Subdude
But the Kalpoes dropped them at the Marriott …
I don’t think there’s enough time for N. to attend a rave. She and J. are dropped off at the Mariot around 1:30 a.m. J calls the Kalpoe bro. around 2:15a.m. to ask for a ride. He then texts him 40 minutes later to say he’s home. There’s just a 45 minute or so window when “something bad happened.”
Yliana, I’ll check our tipsters’ old posts on this. One of them (or both) believed that Joran (the “lamb”) delivered Natalee to the rave or else just left her there, presumably after the ‘lions’ began their descent upon their prey.
Supposedly Lorenzo had hung out with Natalee (maybe at the kasino? Or a rave earlier in the week), but then started paying attention to Joran. Lorenzo got jealous and angrily confronted Joran. Maybe Lorenzo asked Joran to come by his house that night with Natalee, then decided to ‘teach her a lesson’ about rejecting him in favor of his friends…
I believe Deepak & Satish dropped Joran & Natalee at the party. It sounds as though they still aren’t passing their lie detector tests about where they dropped Natalee & Joran. Also, I don’t believe the lighthouse was a part of the journey at all. Just a diversion from the fact that they all actually headed south.
Clarification: while this scenerio is moivie material, it is not necessarily fictious. read the news; follow the real-life stories. Unfortunately, the above is possible.
There is evil; I do not like to see, look for it, or deal with it.BUT it’s in our world. Otherwise this would be heaven.
But the 45 minutes is not enough to commit the crime and get rid of the body, especially if you are alone, and there are people around the Marriott that will see you struggling and pulling a body.
Yliana
Why don’t we bottom line this whole issue………Very easy, the 50/50 rule will apply.forget the speculations……….What will be the odds she is still alive?
There’s no evidence that Joran was dropped at the Marriott except what The Kalpoes say, correct?
Larry: You are welcome. Nova Law ‘92. Pleased to meet ya!
Lucy: I did see Mama Croes interviewed, but she can’t really know whether her boys are telling the truth about Marriott Beach. If they were @ a rave, probably would not want Mom to know. Small island and they are hanging with people like LvR. Everyone wants to be @ the party, but no one wants to be publicly associated with it.
Interesting that no one admits to being there. I have to believe that some people who were @ the rave that night, (if there was one) have lurked on this sight. No one wants to admit having been there — so far.
Why is it so hard to get someone to confirm LvR had a rave (not illegal) and that he/she was there?
Larry - I believe that if she were dead, we would have found her already. If she died in a country house, the smell would alert the neighbours, I don’t think that anyone could carry a body all that distance in a panic to hide a body. JvdS does not look all that strong. I think she’s still alive.
go to party…Nat is on drugs…she’s hot…she is in a BAD SITUATION….”something bad happens to her”….the boys leave go to Jorans…make calls to cover themselves…dad is involved in the underground world…knows people and is certain he can get them off…tells them what to say…also if they come clean…about the house of drugs…the VDS run the risk of being killed…plus PVDS and the Polis are involved in drug trafficing so who the hell do you turn to….Lorenzo or the lion that never leaves his den is SO BIG that no one wants to mess with him…my guess is that he was not in a country house but a very nice nice house somewhere on the island…NAT is killed and dropped somewhere in between Aruba and South America…unfortunately never nver to be found….or HOPEFULLY sold as a sex slave in SA so that PVDS can get out of some gambling debt…these are colorful…who the f’ck knows…maybe JVDS was at the light house having sex with her and banged her head on a rock killing her….but I DOUBT IT…this just sucks that NO ONE will say what happened…SC knows, the brothers know, JVDS knows, PVDS know and I would dare to guess his sweet little Godfather in the system knows…
What still troubles me is that Natalee shared a hotel room with 3 other girls. Would they have not been aware that Natalee was missing even *before* leaving for the airport? Did they just not notice that she did not return to the hotel? Did they all just assume that she “hooked up” and hense was why she did not return? There are far too many unanswered questions.
*movie
I am not a detail person so someone needs to create a time line, as specific as possible.
newgirl, you are good. keep thinking. you make sense.
subdude Said:
“Interesting that no one admits to being there. I have to believe that some people who were @ the rave that night, (if there was one) have lurked on this sight. No one wants to admit having been there — so far.
Why is it so hard to get someone to confirm LvR had a rave (not illegal) and that he/she was there?”
BUT that is the KEY! People HAVE placed him at his house that night! Noone has named these alibi witnesses, but Lorenzo WAS questioned by police and released. ccording to Simian. it was because he had an unbreakable alibi - from friends who said he was hosting them at his house that night. Are these “friends” also lions? Are they dependent upon Lorenzo for drugs?
There sure seems to be no shortage of people willing to give false alibis in this case.
Subdude, you are a lawywer
I married one. I insist on his morality and ethical practices as he does mine!
Alcati_- Much could be true. You are on a roll.
Kristen, you may not want to address the roommates now. It may detract the timeline. It could be a parallel time line.
Hey Sub….congrats……..You will do fine…
Yliana…. I may still go with the Ch and if I do, she is a prisioner there…….Her fate would depend on her guards……No reply to the 50/50 may make you a great criminal attorney……lol
Kristin - NH apparently did not spend the previous 3 nights at the hotel either.
Nice thinking, alcatl!
Subdude has the investigative mind. It is logical and opend-minded, plus he has a heart. He is a jewel!
(I’m a lawyer too…I’m noticing a pattern here…)
Yliana…I am sorry…for my outburst just frustrated…I have been to Aruba and think it is awesome…but just wish someone would say what really happened the person who knows comes out here…I actually thing Shango knows…let’s just get this over with…and move on…I also do think for drugs to move into and out of a country there has to be officials that let it happen…EVEN IN THE US…Yliana we (the US) probably consume most of the drugs coming through your country…I can’t go out on a date without soemthing being presented to me…
Larry: Odds are obviously long and against NH being alive. I want to believe and will continue to pray, but . . . smart money says she passed — Jeez that’s crass!
Lucy: I’m with ya, darlin, but once a liar, no longer to be believed. The Kalpoes lied about NH @ HI, could easily being lying about CA lighthouse, Marriott Beach, etc…
This Croes kid decides to tell the same lie as the Kalpoes to help out the boys, for shits and grins. Pardon moi, but that might be the biggest crock of shit I have EVER and I mean EVER heard. That sounds like the lies I used to feed my cop father when I was out copping drugs. Seriously.
This thing stinks, and Kalpoes, JVDS and Croes are afraid.
So, is anyone working on a timeline?
Yes, I was going to post what Yliana just said - rumor has it that Natalee had not been sleeping in her room very much.
alcati = friend of the Lamb or worse?
Larry - LOL - I don’t know what possessed me to go back to school! Anyhow, with this case, it is testing my knowlegde.
Has anyone heard of any reason why she would voluntarily not want to go back home. Maybe she would rather stay in Aruba and live the drug life, no parents, no responsibility nothing! Is this too far fetched?
newgirl, you are impressive. you definitely have the investigative mind as well.
What timeline do you want, from what day? If night before, maybe we could all work together to fill in following blanks…
May 29, 30, 31st? : What happened…
6PM -
7PM -
8PM - etc.
I lost all faith in Riehl World after reading the article on that website saying her body was found. That was a very irresponsible post.
And where did she sleep those nights away from the hotel? And with whom was she?
Let’s try not to stray. No cluessupport that natalee was looking for a new or different life. If she were drugged, she may like the freedom from inhibitions but her conscious state seemed to be focused on ambition and success…the American Dream.
Sometimes a detraction is good to validate the timeline. For instance, the time Natalee was last seen in C&C, the time that her roommates made it back to their rooms (assuming that all three of them did not “hook up” and not make it back until morning