RSSBeth Twitty: “Forensics were never done at the primary residence of the Van der Sloot home”
Last night on Fox, The Big Story Fox Oct. 2, 2005 Beth Holloway Twitty discusses the fact that it is old news to her and the family that her daughter Natalee Holloway went to Joran Van der Sloot’s house the night of May 30.
Julie: One of the new things that Joran was telling Christina that the whole story
he told investigators was not true. Apparently he took Natalee to his home, then to the HI, then to the beach where he supposedly had sex with her. This is new information, this is huge. What are investigators doing about this have you been in contact with them?
Beth: The sad part about this is a lot of this is not new. Police have known since the beginning that Joran took my daughter to his home. They have known that, they had statements as early as June 13th. There has been no secret about this.
However, Beth Twitty made the following new announcement that was rather eye opening:
Julie: When they went in there and swept through his home and the parents home and the apartment that is attached to his home. Did they find any evidence? I know we waited ten days before they actually got in there to hear any information. But, did the forensic evidence in any way connect to Natalee?
Beth: Julie, you are not going to believe this, but do you know that forensics were never done at the primary residence. Even though Joran gave a state to the police that he took my daughter to his home on May 30th at 1:40 am. Absolutely not, forensics were never done at the primary residence of the Van der Sloot home. That is why there is never any evidence.
This would seem a rather amazing thing seeing that according to the following account from the Boston Globe, “Police carried away the results of their search in several garbage bags and towed two cars”.
Investigators also emerged from the house carrying two white plastic garbage bags full of unidentified items. A German Shepherd also sniffed around the property outside the capital, Oranjestad. Authorities towed a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep away from the house, which is surrounded by a low stone wall and fronted by an expanse of trees and cacti.
The comment by Beth Twitty is puzzling and troubling at the same time as she claims, “Absolutely not, forensics were never done at the primary residence of the VDS home.” We see in the following ABC story from Jun 15, 2005 that forensic specialists, dressed in a white suit, were searching the Van der Sloot home and property.
Wednesday’s search of the van der Sloot home lasted about four hours. Two white-uniformed investigators from Holland carried suitcases into the one-story, yellow-beige home, which includes an attached apartment where the young man lives. They later returned the suitcases to their white, unmarked car.
From what Beth Twitty revealed in last nights interview is that although forensic evidence was collected, none was ever examined or tested? This coupled with Beth Twitty’s other comment that “The FBI never received a single document in the investigation, audio or taped evidence“. More from the interview: (Hat Tip: SunMoonStars & Sleuth)
Julie Banderas: There are new reports, shocking reports in a tabloid newspaper about JVDS who is in college in Holland. Apparently started dating a girl ten yrs his senior. Twenty eight years old, this girl named Christina. Telling reporters over there a lot of new information that apparently is new, what are Aruban police doing about this?
Beth: Exactly, why are national enquirer reporters over there obtaining this information, where are the investigators? Why are they not over there getting this information from Joran?
Julie: One of the new things that Joran was telling Christina that the whole story he told investigators was not true. Apparently he took Natalee to his home, then to the Holiday Inn, then to the beach where he supposedly had sex with her. This is new information, this is huge. What are investigators doing about this have you been in contact with them?
Beth: The sad part about this is a lot of this is not new. Police have known since the beginning that Joran took my daughter to his home. They have known that, they had statements as early as June 13th. There has been no secret about this.
Julie: When they went in there and swept through his home and the parents home and the apartment that is attached to his home. Did they find any evidence? I know we waited ten days before they actually got in there to hear any information. But, did the forensic evidence in any way connect to Natalee?
Beth: Julie, you are not going to believe this, but do you know that forensics were never done at the primary residence. Even though Joran gave a state to the police that he took my daughter to his home on May 30th at 1:40 am. Absolutely not, forensics were never done at the primary residence of the Van der Sloot home. That is why there is never any evidence.
For the rest of the interview …
Posted October 3, 2005 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 79 comments |
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Beth is losing it in my opinion.The world knows the residence was searched and vehicles towed.The world also knows that the FBI was there from the start albeit as only observers and furthermore the world knows that the FBI conducted their own test of the hair strands on the infamous piece of duct tape.The FBI has acknowledged receiving info when the Arubans went to the headquarters of the FBI.
Apparently Beth does not think that anyone remembers what has been reported in the past 4 months.What is going on with Beth?Someone needs to take her aside and inform her of all of the support that she is losing support by repeatedly changing her story and obviously she changes teh details of her story about the unsubstantiated documents that she has never produced for verification.
Public opinion is shifting and it is simply the result of the way Beth is changing the details as she deems the need for them to change.The big kicker is Beth’s denial of the toothbrush belonging to Natalee.Now she is claiming the toothbrush belongs to one of the roommates on the trip.Now just which girl is she referring to as being the owner of the toothbrush.Why is Beth so adamant about Natalee’s promisciousness as being non existent.Her denial is starting to backfire on her bigtime.Perhaps Beth will tell the world who the toothbrush belonged to.The changing of the ownership of the toothbrush to fit Beth’s take on things will be her biggest stumbling block in the way of continued support.More importantly there is a mother in Mountain Brook that is offended by beth’s claim that the toothbrush belonged to one of the other girls and that was a BIG NO NO for Beth to have done.If the roommates mothers have any backbone at all they will confront Beth about the slanderous remarks that she has made towards one of their daughters.
This sound like what I have been saying all along. BHT does not know what was done, or was not done, and when she says things like “forensics were never done”, you don’t know what information she has that is true. Did she get this from Josie, the newspaper guy? What does she have that proves this statement? Make no mistake – if this happened in Florida, she would not be updated daily on what the police have. Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of information. She is the mother, and she wants to know everything, but this is an ongoing investigation, and telling her would compromise the investigation.
It sounds to me like what Beth is saying is that evidence was collected in Joran’s apartment, but never at the “primary residence” – the parents and brother’s dwelling. From what I have read, Joran lives in a detached bungalow next to what Beth is calling the “primary residence.”
If this is correct, I dont see what the question is with this article…
Folks…..get real…who are you going to believe: Beth or the Aruban Govt??
Just because the Arubans hauled stuff from the VDS property does not mean they did Forensic tests on it. None of the network reports confirmed that foresnic testing was done
Heck, in the Scott Peterson murder case….they hauled off many bags of evidence from his home….yet none of it produced any DNA evidence. It was a hair strand of his wife’s found near his boat parked off property that was used….and they only did Mitochondrial DNA testing on it (a less accurate testing)
If Beth is wrong….then Aruba can release the test results. They havent released any results.
Remember that the Arubans never deny anything Beth says……they spin and threaten Beth…but never deny.
It is one thing to gather evidence and another to do the actual forensic testing.
Beth Twitty should be commended, not slammed, for her aggresive approach. There are people really afraid of the truth.
RdWarrior and Vengence ~ Very well said ! I share in your thoughts and feelings completely !
Neither the primary residence of the Van der Sloots nor the Kalpoe residence was ever reported as having been searched. In fact, search teams were denied access to both. As we saw the the hair, there is no lab in Aruba so no DNA test could have been run on anything without it going off island. That means that the Aruba authorities never did any testing on anything found anywhere except for the hair. This was sent to the US and Holland with negative results. The non testing has been reported by other sources. Continued incompetence or just more cover-up ? You make your own mind up, I have made up mine, Boycott Aruba
Beth can say whatever she wants to say as it simply does not make it true.The Aruban authorities should never stoop her level of revealing any facts.In fact it would just just taint any possible evidence that they may have.She has been allowed to go unchallenged by the authorities for the same reason that the media have let her go on and on without any recourse and that is simply because she is a grieving mother but she is undoing any good that she may have done by presenting unsubstantiated hunches.Like the toothbrush story,she will lose even more support with the next round of crap that she endorses.WHOSE TOOTHBRUSH WAS IT???
I believe TexasRick is right – it was widely reported that Paulus was allowed to dictate to police what areas of the entire property they could search. The grounds and main house were NOT searched at his say so. The search team from Texas repeatedly tried to gain access to search a well on the grounds and were also denied by the family.
Vengeance,
Pretty interesting opinion you expressed on God’s view. A little different than what I would expect from anyone who I am guessing claims to be a Christian. Sounds more like something that would come from the mouth of bin Laden, Saddam, Hitler, Pol Pot, et. al………not really the greatest company to keep on matters of theology.
I think “Vengence” is breaking the rules set forth the other day about making comments that are lewd, liable, or make threats.
Innocent until proven guilty my friend. Innocent until proven guilty.
NYSOM and TexasRick are correct……Paulus dictated where to search, and the private search teams were denied access.
As for the Aruban govt…If anything Beth said was not true…they can sue her. Of course….if they sue her for comments made in the US then they must sue in the US….which means that Beth gets to use the dscovery process in a civil suit (requiring Aruba to turn over info).
Aruba could even sue her in Aruba or Holland….where the discovery process is not as open or revealing….yet they will not do that either…Hmmmm
Regarding the toothbrush……was she sure it was Natalee’s in the first place? Did she find out later it belonged to someone else? That isnt a lie or a misstatement.
Seems Beth Bashing is getting popular here, too. Bashing Beth isnt going to help find Natalee.
TexasRick and RdWarrior…thank you so much…you said it perfectly.
I just don’t know why we are so shocked by what has happened!!! Who among us DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A COVER-UP?? Paul Van Der Sloot and his CLOSE friend Jan Van Der Straaten fixed it all!!
My God, in the USA, Van Der Straaten would NEVER have been allowed to be part of his close buddy’s investigation! They knew what happen, they covered it up and they both partisipated in the events that night and since.
Pay day will only come when one of us can’t take this any longer and takes care of the problem. Someone needs to step forward.
Time and distance dictates what is possible. Witness reports reduces the possible by resricting time within known distance. With eye witness reports seeing the 3 without Natalee, and known starting points and known stopping points using logic we can deduce what happened where. There are some unknowns such as was Freddie or other members of the P.I.M.P.S involved. There simply is not enough time for Joran’s stories to hold any water. We must also look at the actions of known associates of the 3 (Freddie being #1). The actions and statements of the 3 main fit nicely into what a sexual psychopath would say and do. Most likely, Natalee died near 2:30 AM in the morning during or following a gang rape probably of a drug overdose. Get over it Aruba you are under the control of very Bad people. You even advertise yourself (USA Today) as the place where teenage girls are given large drinks to make them vulnerable for rape.
Texas Rick, good point. Too many of you others are reacting on a visceral level without considering the entire scope of the case. Let’s go back in time; remember that the authorities wanted to search the main VDS house, and PVDS would not allow it? Thus BHT’s statement about the “primary residence” is consistent. Besides, don’t you think she knows more about this than any of us do?
Further, these various comments about BHT loving the limelight or pursuing some kind of media agenda are absurd; her child is missing without a trace. Do you really think for a minute she and her family are pursuing a media objective aside from keeping the story alive and pressing for information and progress? Yeah right – BHT would rather be on TV than find her daughter.
If it were my child we were discussing, you can bet I would be pulling every string I could find. I would also be personally aggressive about the quest for truth, so all you Arubans who are upset about the boycott and other comments, consider yourselves lucky.
There seems to be a real shortage of “commonsense” on this site.
I find this hard to believe since if you go back and check all the facts, everything was checked, Police and investigators and foransic teams searched the house and took bags of stuff out, plus both cars were taken. it seems to me and I do not want to upset anyone I Beth is stretching the truth. The FBI has stated that they have recieved tapes and documents and so on, plus did test on evideance. The FBI will not release information because it would damage the caase in Aruba.
I’m just going to go on record to say I still believe Beth versus the Aruban govt. Whether she is right or not I don’t believe she is deliberately lying. I’m not sure the Aruban govt. isnt outright lying. I can’t prove it, but a lot of what they have said doesn’t make sense.
I just don’t understand why a crime as clear cut as this one is so difficult to figure out. For that reason alone it is highly unlikely they did a thorough job of collecting evidence. It is hard to tell if they are incompetent or corrupt. I suspect both.
Vegeance you are right. There is a time for everything under heaven. If the Twittys do as you suggest they should take Paulus advice: “No body,no crime.”
There are some pretty scary people here on both sides, foaming at the mouth with anger. It seems quite hypocritical to talk about civilized society, vigilante justice, torture and murder all in the same breath. Unfortuately, continuing to ratchet up rhetoric does nothing to promote reasonable discussion, understanding or to solve this crime.
Gabriel Leo:
I just went back and was reading some posts I needed to catch up on and found two by you that made a lot of sense. I wish everyone would go back and read it.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1687#comments
I was struck by your willingness to admit that there is some corruption, cover up, and by your distane for these losers who have committed crimes on your soil. I did not realize until reading this, the exact relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba, and I certainly didn’t realize that the Dutch are in control of the justice system (and cover up). I understand perhaps a little better why Arubans are upset – up until now it has appeared you are covering for the justice system. If what you are saying is true, and I will take it as such, then I can see that your people are taking the blame for something they are not in control of.
On your comments regarding the US government. You are probably correct here as well. It is a shame to think it, but the goverment probably does put national interests ahead of individual citizens. The good of the many… terrible to think about.
Unfortunately, even if there is no formal boycott, tourism will likely decline in time. As teachers and parents begin planning the next round of trips, they may think twice about Aruba. That is why it is so important for your country that this is solved.
Thank you for your posts. I wish everyone here could find common grouund to be contructive – not vindictive.
So, at least they did search Joran’s apartment, didn’t they? Isn’t that where the alleged sex (oh, I mean confirmed sex) took place? Common sense might tell us that Joran wouldn’t have taken her into the house,where his Dad was, when he had a bachelor pad ready. I guess those apartment search forensics came back negative, so it has be in the house. Sounds like some disjointed deductive logic. Makes you wonder, who is feeding this reasoning to Beth?
Remember, “we” don’t know what was or was not found at the VDS property, since no information has ever been released. I still believe that BHT knows more than we do about the case; but I am frustrated by what I perceive to be the lack of strategic direction in their comments.
In fact, I have been troubled from the start by the HT family’s inarticulate response to events. In my opinion they have not done a good job of clearly stating what their concerns are (yes, lack of info, progress, etc but what about specifics?) and I am wondering why? With a wide variety of people presumably involved behind the scemnes I would expect more direction in helping them make clear and concise statements.
Go away Beth Twitty – you have become a character – and that ain’t good!You have no idea what the truth is – and even if you heard the truth you are so consumed with your own reality on this story – you would not even understand or be capable of handling truth. I doubt at this point anyone in Aruba is even will to discuss anything with you other than your slime buddy Jossy Manure. Is he still coming up with witnesses and statements out of the garbage for you. go home to Alabama – and try being a mom to your son – sons need mothers too – although you are a bit of a basket case – so who knows maybe he is better off with you an your tangents all over the world. The media is taking advantage of you and you are a joke!!
I believe in an eye for an eye, but if JVDS, PVDS and the K-2 are dead, then we’ll never know what happened to NH. JMHFO.
Bizman,
“she has been allowed to go unchallenged by authorities” the authorities have challenged her allright, mostly verbally. Some FACTS from the authorities would actually be nice. They say nothing will be released until the investigation is over, is it not over? Or is this their way of just waiting it out. The authoritive entities are there to investigate, so far I can’t say that they have done it, what evidence can they or have they provided that they did? They go do a search on a tip every now and then and that’s about it. Any kook can call in a tip anytime, if they had searched the house and ALL of it, not just Paulus limits, maybe they would know whether they need to keep searching. They are dragging this out. now they are getting mad at Beth because she is pointing out their failures or their ignorance. HOW can you justify Paulus Van Der Sloot’s good buddy handling the gathering of evidence, of all your rantings please answer that one question for me. Was the investigator not Joran’s God-father? I know I read the quote from him that said something to the effect that “yes, the Van der Sloot family was there for me in a time of need, I owe them a debt of gratitude” so, how can he repay them? hhmm withholding evidence seems like an opportunity to me. I am insulted by you Bizman, your intelect does not show here, only your dislike for Beth and it is not about her, if you want to pull an Anita Van Der Sloot and say this is not about Natalee anymore but about the american media, you are dead wrong and I doubt that if this was a case about you, your family would be very upset at the way it has been handled. Joran Van Der Sloot has lied from day 1, if there is suspicion upon him it is because he is a liar, and will remain one in the public eye by his own doing for as long as this case goes unsolved, he deserves to be hounded until the truth is known, he brought this upon himself and his family and his friends (or accessories), though his father is not so innocent in all of this with his changing stories as well (picked Joran up at 11 then 3 or 4 am)
Im back. BHT is a mother looking for her daughter. Whatever she says by now should be taken with a grain of salt. However, that being said, alot of you are leaving very negative comments on here which is very disparaging. We all want justice. For some of you on here it seems to me you feel Joran is the victum of a setup and that this is all Beths fault. To this I must respond with WHY? Beth knows something or thinks she knows something. She’s being advised every step of the way on what to do or say by lawyers. What she is really doing it seems is trying to call the bluff. Whos got the better hand? Aruba. But we will see if she pulls the flush on the river….
Beth, Tell me now when did the National Enquirer become the GOSPEL?
Geraldo, You tell me when did the National Enquirer become the GOSPEL?
You know full well, those reporters for the Enquirer pick up on a statement and let thier imaginations run wild. They never leave thier desks. Anyone who would believe a word in National Enquirer needs to seek professional help immediately!
Beth, everyone in the world who watching FOX News saw the police take a ton of stuff from the Van der Sloot’s home. Exactly how do you know what was searched and what wasn’t ? You were too busy getting ready for the camera’s and running up and down the streets of Aruba giggling as you passed out those yarn braclets.
Do you honestly think that no one has been listening to every word that has been said.
Don’t you know that we find discrepancies in your interviews?
Everyone has some compassion for you and your family, but you are not the only person in world who has ever had a child missing. We don’t see or hear them everyday of the week. Only you. Frankly , a lot of us are getting tired of it. We don’t really hear any true facts from you, only speculation that you believe and want the rest of us to believe. I think that if you and Jug weren’t such loud mouth, bad ass acting, I’m taking over attitudes would probably have achieved much more if you had been more respectful to the Aruban people. There is one thing for sure that I know, if you had come to my house in the middle of night screaming and carrying on I would have slammed the door in your face.
Your best bet, is sit back and shut up. Let the Aruban authorities do thier jobs.
Exactly Monkey Wrench. If anything…we need to watch to see nothing happens to them. I want closure at the end…can’t even imagine how Beth would feel if they died before she found out.
If they did any forsenics, then they would have kept the 3-4 people of interest.
Where is that evidence that they took from those places now? Where are the vehicles now? Where are the results of these things?
This is some of the evidence and you expect Beth to provide this evidence? She can’t go into these homes and search for herself, she has to rely on your officials to do this.
Soon we will find out that this was lost… wonder how that happened?
As for the toothbrush, probably one of your hotel housekeepers who likes to prey on tourists….
As reported by ScaredMonkeys in this article that these responses are posted.It is clear that the residences were searched and tests were conducted.Yes a search for forensics was done just as ScaredMonkeys has supplied the links from ABC News and The Boston Globe.SO just how much more proof has to be supplied for the truth of the search of the residences(yes the primary residence being the main house,the secondary residence being Joran’s apartment and the rest consisting of the buildngs at the rear of the property as well as dogs checking out the grounds of the estate.
By all accounts law enforcement never allows people around while areas of interest are being investigated so just how does Beth know what was tested and what was not tested.She is clearly trying to keep the corruption theory going simply because in her mind it makes her seem enlightened.Fact is she knows about as much as the rest of us do and that is not much.
For those calling for a lynching and requesting someone to step up to the plate,well you have your computer in front of you and it is a known fact where Joran resides so book your flight and do yourself what you are calling others to do.
Of course Beth knows it is Natalee’s toothbrush.Who else would it belong to.All of the other kids were back in Mountain Brook.Beth or Jug either took the toothbrush out of her luggage or it was still on the bathroom counter area where Natalee left it.After it was revealed that there was male DNA on the toothbrush Beth and Jug both stated it was her toothbrush and that the male DNA could have possibly been Jug’s since he handled it.They know it wa sher toothbrush but Beth does not want anyone to think that Natalee was normal teenage girl and might have engaged in such behavior so what does she do to protect the image that she has portrayed of Natalee to the public.She pulls a low blow and blames the male DNA on the toothbrush to belong to one of the other girls who was sharing sleeping quarters in the room.How low can she go to say that the toothbrush belongs to someone else just to keep her story of Natalee being pure as the driven snow propped up.She owes a mother and a daughter in Mountain Brook an apology and she should give that apology on her next TV appearance since she practically labeled another mother’s daughter of engaging in lewd acts on one of her recent media appearances.
She knows who the toothbrush belongs to,what bothers her is who’s DNA is on the toothbrush.Line up the males on the trip from Mountain Brook and eliminate them one by one.
Venge……..well done, now for action.
why not set up legal defense fund for anyone involved in the death or disappearance of said persons, and don’t forget to add H. Rudy Croes to the list. We also have to include any-one-female member of any of their families. I however prefer also, for someone to remember this for a long long time and maybe respond to one of Jurine’s children someday? If someone gets away with this act on said persons, the fund should be treated as a reward, or bounty. I bet there are a lot of girls in aruba and holland who could use a little of what Natalee got.
They took items forensicly for another chapter in the dogand pony show of aruban justice coverup. No one has shown us anything that resembles laboratory logs, notes, or results. I firmly believe that at this point, it has to be referred to as a state sponsored act of terrorism against an American on foreign soil, worthy of our military’s highest involvement. I think its time for regime-change in Aruba.
You can argue till your ears are blue here. Whether you like it or not, you have to accept that the Aruban police have completed this phase of the investigation, whether you think it was done properly or not. These kids are free, but still considered supspects. That’s the way it stands, whether you like it or not.
Before someone goes and “kills” them all, as was mentioned above, don’t you think the intelligent way to solve this case is to co-operate with the Aruban authorities? A boycott is not the answer. In fact, I read an article last nite on the web that states Aruba’s hotel reservations in the prime months for tourism, Oct to April, is already looking higher than last year. This summer’s count was up about 10%.
Let’s reduce this scenario of Beth Twitty vs The Island of Aruba to Beth Twitty vs Her Next Door Neighbor, whom she claims took her morning newspaper. The neighbor claims she didn’t take it. Beth claims once again she did. Beth puts pressure on her neighbor, threatening to hurt her if she doesn’t return her newspaper. The neighbor, who in actuality DIDN’T take the newspaper, decides to drive to the store and buy Beth a newspaper and tell Beth, just to make her happy, “Here Beth – Here is the newspaper I took from you .. Sorry” ….
People are going to have to accept what the Arban authorities are saying, at least THIS much; They don’t know what happenned to NH … It’s easy for someone to replace a stolen newspaper for Beth, and take the responsiblity for it as well. To the best of my knowledge, there’s no vendor that sells cloned people .. not yet anyway.
Analogy #2 … Instead of trying to make Beth happy, the neighbor argues back to Beth, saying “I don’t know what happenned to your newspaper, and if you don’t stop accusing me of stealing it, I’m going to hurt you.” Beth replies, “Well, if you don’t give me my paper back, I’m going to tell the whole neighborhood that your are a thief and a liar.”
Let’s look at this … if Beth had PROOF that her neighbor stole the newspaper, let’s say a security video camera, with footage of her neighbor stealing the paper, then I don’t think I’d have a problem with her telling the neighborhood about the neighbor, especially if the neighbor kept denying the theft after SEEING the videotape of herself taking the paper.
But in the real world, Beth has no PROOF that the Aruban authorities know what happenned to NH. So you tell me … what gives her the right to try and force a complete US boycott against the people of Aruba?
Bizman Bizman Bizman…. the world saw the vehicles being towed away and authorities at the van der Sloot home but only Joran’s apartment was tested for forensics. His apartment is attached to the van der Sloot home. The house itself was never checked and neither was the outside property because Paulus would not allow it and they didnt get a search warrant for the van der Sloot home or property, only for Joran’s apartment and the car. (yawn) Beth is saying the truth. Shes not losing her mind and Im surprised she hasnt yet.
VENGEANCE you read my mind, but you can get into trouble by saying stuff like that so be careful. COMMONSENSE you keep saying over and over again like a mantra ‘Inocent until Proven Guilty!” Why do you so vehemently defend these guys?
I dont mean to be Freudian but when you keep saying over and over again (as Shakespeare said “The lady protests too much”) that a person is innocent until proven guilty, WHO are you referring to? The suspects or maybe… YOU??
God says “Thou Shall Not Kill” and “Vengeeance is Mine, says the Lord”.
That means that if you are a Christian, you are not to take the law in your own hands and kill anyone, even though they may deserve it, Let God deal with them and He will.
Vengeance belongs to God.
Bizman, All of your posts reek of misogeny. You sound like you are a perpetrator yourself.
It is common knowledge by now that the three main suspects, plus the fourth (JVDS) have all lied to the authorities. Normally, that would be sufficient cause to place them under arrest. But obviously they are not. So what could it be?
Based on JVDS statements, the police should have the ability to obtain a warrant to search the VDS property. By that I mean the grounds. Why hasn’t this been done?
The recent statements by JVDS and DK further implicate them in NH’s disappearance. Should this be enough to rearrest them? Or at least requestion them? I’m not sure but I would think so. Why hasn’t this been done?
The Aruban authorities know more than they have said (they have said virtually nothing); if we accept their argument that they cannot make a detailed statement, why not make some general statements/ I’m sure they could give a press conference and put some of the fears and rumors to rest. Why don’t they do this? What would the harm be? It does more harm NOT to talk at this point.
Is it possible for the HT family to hire a private investigator to travel under cover to Aruba and pursue leads directly, outside of the official channels? Such as, surveillance of the remaining suspects, investigation of the property and assets of the VDS, investigation of the C&C ownership and relationships. It’s often said, “follow the money,” and I think there is some truth to that.
In addition, several young girls had told stories about similar sexual assaults by JVDS (and others?) Where are these girls now? What has become of that guy “Freddy?” Wasn’t he charged with an unrelated pornography crime?
What has become of the DJ Croes? Didn’t he own/have access to a Zodiac dinghy/boat? Has that craft been checkedd? Where is he now?
Have any of these characters travelled to mainland South America recently? Or anywhere else?
There are still many (current) leads that can be followed. I would recommend the BHT family do that (as I’m sure they have been and are doing). Personally, I would have surveillance on the suspects. If they feel as though the spotlight is turned off, perhaps they will revert to form and act up again.
I think all this anger directed at Beth to be bizarre. If Aruba is upset about all the negative attention they need to direct itheir anger at the people who created this situation, i.e. Van Der Sloots, Kalpoes, Van der Stratten, the Justice Minister, the chief prosecutor, and basically all the Dutch elites who run the island.
A cover-up is going on and it is not even well-done – it is obvious to anybody with a brain.
Beth’s demands are not unreasonble. Somebody on the island took her daughter – now give her back or bring the perpertrators to justice. Simple solution.
i agree
Earth to Monkeys: Just because Beth Twitty says something does not mean that she cannot be wrong! I have read numerous reports in the mainstream media saying that items taken from the Van der Sloot home during the search were sent to Holland for forensic analysis. One AP report said that they even seized the Van der Sloot’s vacuum cleaner and sent it and the bag to Amsterdam for examination. Remember the reports that the result of forensic examinations of evidence had been received by the prosecutor’s office in Aruba? Originally there was a rumor that something had turned up that would help the case, but if that is true it must not have been enough to support charges. It seems pretty definite from stories published around that time, however, that a forensic examination of items seized from the Van der Sloot house was done. Beth needs to stop doing this. Just because she was not given a certified copy of the results signed by the forensic examiner doesn’t mean that nothing happened. Even in America the family of a victim doesn’t get EVERYTHING from the authorities.
Vengence??? Should we all sink to their level? No…what you suggest whether or not its how you feel…is very dangerous to put out there. There is enough tragedy here already to go around.
I read the entries here…and most likely…same as the people who are against Beth want to do at times…I wanted to just scream to SHUT UP. But of course…that’s the opposite of what we are meant to be doing here…right?
But in writing our opinions…whether for or against Beth…or for or against the boys…can’t we pull back on the anger just a little? Go ahead…be angry that you think Beth isn’t dealing well with this. But can’t you understand the hell that woman is going through? If you are against her…you are probably saying…yeah well what about the hell Joran is going through. My first thought is…he doesn’t appear to be going through hell to me…but then I don’t know him or know what he’s going through.
I’ll say if you look at Joran…and look at Beth…which of them appears to be the worse? If you don’t agree with Beth…and/or agree with her…thats ok. Thats totally your right. You may have very valid reasons for your beliefs…but then why do you have to tear her apart? Turn the channel…or click the screen if there is an article that you are “tired” of hearing about.
So many people on here have said they have lost family members and know what she’s going through but its time she stopped. Can you imagine the hell she is living in. She has not simply lost a child that died. If she holds out the hope that Natalee is alive…she then has to begin thinking about where she is…what is happening to her…is she hurting…and on and on. If she accepts she is dead (which I believe she has accepted if even on a small level) she is left knowing her daughter died and she doesn’t know how or why it happened.
See…I don’t think you all are right that Beth can’t handle the truth. I think it will hurt her if the truth were to come out that Natalee wasn’t so innocent…but she would accept it. At this point…Beth is supporting her daughter. Whether you agree with that…oh well…like I said…if you hate hearing her…turn it off.
What I find interesting on here is some of the people who are so adament that Beth is so far off…continue to question people who suppot Beth with questions like…why don’t the rest of us accept she has lost it. Or you point out every single inconsistency in what she says. And that’s ok actually…if done in a respectful manner…but at the same time…the same people ignore Joran’s inconsistencies and explain that all away as it had to be bad reporting. Come on people. We all have a right to our opinions. Since none of us really knows what happened…any or us could be right on target with what we think.
Let’s all try and respect each other’s opinions. Put your opinions out there…and let’s discuss them. But as for the calls for murder and torture…or the way you talk about Beth…I have a question. Would you be willing to say all of this to their face? I would be willing to tell Joran, Deepak and Satish I feel they are guilty and why. I would also be willing to listen to them explain why they aren’t. But would the people who are bashing the Twitty’s over and over…would you be willing and able to say what you say to their face? I can only say…I sincerely hope not.
Of course we saw the forensics team at the home of van der sloot, but whether or not the evidence was tested is the question. The 3 perps were ordered to give DNA but then the judge threw it out and did not make them submit once again. Probably because there was nothing to compare it with. If there was actual forensic testing done, either the Aruban police did not share it with the FBI and Beth or those results have conveniently disappeared. This is a total coverup. The original chief investigator, van der Straten is Joran’s GODFATHER and long time friend of his father, nuff said? The Aruban police were not incompetent, they were cleverly guided into a coverup by Joran’s Godfather condoned by the Aruban government.
Jackie,
I am sorry that you take everything that Beth says as the gospel so therefore dont blame me for insulting you,blame Beth for insulting you.
Survivor,
Just what it is that you have survived?I have only stated things as I have seen them unfold.
E Saxxon,
What you state as fact is what you have heard from Beth,please keep an open as to just how many supposedly facts that Beth and Jossy and others have revealed only for the truth to come out to debunk those supposed facts.So when one does not work they simply try another avenue of deceit.
It may actually be time for Beth and Jug to stop schelduling interviews and use some of the donations and go back to Aruba and actually start searching with their own hands.We all know that the extent of Beth’s searching was directing and produces the events of the summer media.Yes I think since they think everyone failed in their search that they should dedicate themselves to actually searching.I do not believe for one minute that they will find Natalee in any of the studios that they frequent.They should realize by now that the media.They have the donations so they may as well use them searching.
As far as Jossy Mansure is concerned I think he really tried helping but only ended up hurting his and Beth’s credibility.He is now backpeddling and just last night on Nancy Disgrace he was very adamant about the fact that the investigation has been ongoing.
I really hope Beth finds closure but these meaningless details of whether or not the Police Chief has had his morning Frosted Flakes is not worthy news,only an attempt to say the chief was incompetent.
Everyone have a nice day but please no more KOOL AID.
Although we saw men in suits and we saw them bringing out bags, do we know what was REALLY in the bags? Those bags could have contained newspapers or the VanderSloots laundry.To wear suits conveys nothing.
Watching Forensic Files and FBI Files, it takes hours to work on a plastic bags to get fingerprints. Aruba police were in the homes for 3 hours, 3 hours and in those 3 hours they were picking up things that were visibly seen with the naked eye. Dusting for fingerprints is a tedious and delicate task and not able to be done in 3 hours. Using luminol on carpets and walls and etc takes additional time. Vacuuming the carpet for strands of hair takes time.
For the sake of discuusion, if there is NO FORENSICS, isn’t that in and of itself TROUBLING. We know Natalee was in Joran’s car or is it Deepak’s car. So why isnt anything showing of where we know Natalee to be?? Isnt that troubling for anyone? Of course they cleaned the area. They cleaned it so well they wiped all traces of Natalee’s presence where she was known to be. Now the question is begged to be asked WHY?
If the 3 were so innocent, why LIE on 2 innocent black men?
If we pretend that Aruba is so professional and the 4 are so innocent, why were these staements made then retracted, redacted, misspoken, misunderstood, and semantics( according to silver tongued Ruben?
1 something bad happen and leading to the body
2 I will do anything for my son( if your son is innocent you don’t need to do ANYTHING but tell the TRUTH if you know the truth)
3 I know the case and you don’t
4 no body no case( this is an important one. Why reference a living person as a body and why even say that unless of course you know the person isnt coming BACK?)
5 The secreting of evidence or the file is for the sole purpose to do a coverup and the public can be told anything as what is said can’t be discounted.
6 The Police ask a suspect can they search his home and he says NO and /or Paulus directs where and want can be searched. He is a suspect. Get the search warrant.
What Aruba has shown me they do not take seriously the missing of a tourist and will do “anything for a native son” as spoken by Paulus.
Aruba Police says when first told Natalee was missing, she is probably at a crack house and will show up in a few days. That is a sad commentary for the Police that they think so little of a tourist and more importantly, that toursits only come there for the “liberal drugs usage and not for Aruba’s beaches and warm weather.”
Aruba didn’t want to solve the crime and they set about to do just that. They put up the illusion of doing an investigation. If they prosecuted Joran, it would bring down the other members of the PIMPS who are sons of the political leaders of Aruba.
I was banned from Riehl World View because I didn’t swallow the bullshit that Dan is espousing. For some reason, Dan thinks everyone can’t think and read for themselves, just like Aruba.
Aruba keeps the locals scared, threatened, worried about telling the truth.
The Dutch Elitist want to turn this as the boycott is to hurt the locals. No the Boycott is to hurt the Dutch Elitists. Lets face it the locals only getting 20 cent of the dollar and the Dutch are getting the rest.
The Dutch Elititists didnt think of the locals when they made the stupid and flagrant attempt at this coverup.
The locals are the Dutch Elitists problem dont make them ours.
E Saxxon,
Your Quote -
“Shakespeare said “The lady protests too much”) that a person is innocent until proven guilty, WHO are you referring to? The suspects or maybe… YOU??”
What in the hell does that mean? I am referring to the Aruba kids. Me? Um… I have never been accused of a crime. But if I was, and never was brought into court, that would make me innocent. So lets look at the Aruba kids. Were they tried for the murder of Natalee Holloway? NO. So that makes them… work with me here….. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! Everyone wants to say that they are guilty. There is no proof of that. There is no proof that she is even gone/deceased. Remember the Runaway Bride in Georgia? I will be honest – I don’t think that is the case. But, there is no proof that these guys had anything to do with it. Or they would be in jail. Don’t tell me about a cover up. That is Hollywood dreams. These things are true:
1) Aruba is ultra safe. I have been there a few times. I would let my kids go, but not at 18 without real chaperones where they can booze it up all day and night. But the country is safe. Before all this, when have you heard about Aruba being dangerous? Or better yet, when have you heard about Aruba being corrupt? because
2) There is no cover up.
3) If this happened in the US, these kids would not be in jail like they were in Aruba. You have to be ready for trial when you arrest them, or they go free. California can’t hold people for 100 days for “suspicion of a crime”.
4) The family going on tv everyday hurt the case. They spead rumors, without fact. This made the system look bad when the family did not get the results they wanted.
The worst is the company the family is starting to associate with (minus Dave Holloway. He is a class act). And BHT saying she is going to put up Natalee posters in Holland. Stop now! She is not in Holland, and all you are doing is harrassing an innocent kid.
Don’t like “innocent until proven guilty”. Then today I will give you a new one -
Go White Sox!!
Bizman, Your hatred of women permeates through every word you write. I can only hope that you are not married and do not have daughters. You have taken victim blaming and bashing to a whole new level. The CTVmessage boards are a more suitable forum for someone of your ilk.
Commonsense, you have such passion when you defend these guys that
it is almost Freudian. I mean, are they your friends? Why do you care SO SO much about defending these guys? What is that all about? There is nothing wrong with saying “innocent until proven guilty” but I question why you are so obsessive and vehement about it. Is joran your friend? Or do you feel guilty about something that you did? I am not accusing, just asking. You really dont see that it was a cover up? (yawn) What can I say except.. GO YANKESS!!
Bizman,
Put all that Beth says aside, this isn’t about her. Now look at the case. evidence was taken from the house, was it tested? Where are the results of that testing? Was it or was it not a good friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot that conducted the investigation? Did Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot lie or not? Has Joran changed his story too many times to seem credible? Has Deepak Kalpoe contradicted what Joran has been saying or not? Was the pond drained completely or not? Was it the Aruban authorities or equisearch searching the dump? What happened to and what were the results of the testing in the cars that were impounded? Why won’t Paulus Van Der Sloot let his well be searched? Why didn’t Joran Van Der Sloot come clean with the Holiday Inn story? Why was there 9-10 days between the disappearance and the questioning or arrest of the suspects after cameras revealed their stories to be false? I think there are more WHY’s involved here that you can answer, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Beth Holloway is a mother who is doing everthing to find her daughter, no one (not even you) can expect her to stick her tail between her legs and go away as the aruban authorites would very well like and have very well expressed. The facts here speak louder than your dislike for Beth Holloway, maybe you have something against women with a little power and she has managed to get some from the media. Or maybe there are more people out there who ar responding to the injustice that has been done up to now and the media is reponding to what the people care about and something handled so incompentent, as their job is suppossed to be. You seem to be the minority here. It is unfortunate a boycott has been brought up, I feel for the Aruban people, it is the working class that will be affected the most. But it is the authorities and the govt that don’t have to worry about them, and up to now they haven’t. The Aruban Prime Minister made that clear in his spoken words. It isn’t in the nature of a mother to let a child remain lost, it shouldn’t be in the nature of authorities either. Continue to attack Beth Holloway if you like, nothing you say will change her quest and need for answers, she has every right to question what, why and how, there are many other people doing the same thing. Put your focus back on the case and the facts and what has been done and not done. So far I have seen action but no results, have you ever heard of spit and shine? You can spit on something and shine it up real nice, it doesn’t mean it is clean. That is what this case has been from day 1.
Someone needs to take Beth and get her into grief counseling back home. She is not demonstrating good judgment and has been a major detriment to the investigation for quite some time now. Dave Holloway has taken a much smarter approach. There’s a reason Aruban LE doesn’t keep Beth in the loop – she has demonstrated irresponsible and at times irrational use of the information she is provided. While she has been hailed as being the “savior” of the case, what has she actually accomplished? Are they any closer to finding out what happened to Natalie? All she has done is polarize the situation and make cooperation impossible. Had she taken the approach of Dave H., she might not have been as flashy, but she would have gotten more accomplished in the long run. In this story, Beth is the hare and Dave is the tortoise. The tortoise has a much better chance of winning this race.
Survivor,
Don’t make those kind of threats toward Bizman. Just because you disagree with him does not make him a woman-hater. In fact, he is a great voice of reason on the subject of the Holloway dissapearance.
Go Bizman, continue to speak the truth brother!
Innocent until proven guilty
For E Saxxon – Go White Sox!!!
Ok…I’m really trying here to understand something. The people who are for Beth continuing…are constantly being told what we believe in is untrue and that we are only repeating what we have read or heard…which of course…is true since we weren’t involved in the investigation. So I’ll give you that.
What I find interesting though is…the people who believe Beth should stop…continue over and over to state that what we have heard or read IS NOT true and that we are just “drinking koolaid” or that we are being dumb…or whatever choice of words they decide to use. My question is…how can anyone tell anyone that they are dumb, blind, loaded…whatever because they choose to believe one way or the other. No one KNOWS…we all can only have our opinions right?
While I don’t agree with a lot of what is said in here…I respect people who have an opinion and can be open to the other side enough to at least discuss the subject. It seems in here…we are going round and round in circles…saying what we think…putting down the opposite side…without ever trying to open ourselves up to discussing the other side. This shouldn’t be about “making” people accept your opinion through intimidation and insults…it should be about trying to discuss things and possibly with an open mind on both sides…seeing the chance that maybe…just maybe…we are wrong.
Ahhh, Commonsense…is that a ripoff of Thomas Paine or what? If these three perps had committed this crime in the USA,
1) They would have been held for 48 hours while their cars, homes, and clothing were searched for evidence,
2)No one would have been able to refuse to allow their property to be searched,
3)Given the particulars of this case, in that 48 hours even the most backwoods police department would have been able to produce more than enough evidence to charge these three with kidnap, rape, and murder,
4)Had there been wholesale ineptness by the investigating authorities, as the world saw in Aruba, the US federal government would have stepped in and the local authorities would probably be under federal indictment for violating Ms Holloway’s civil rights,
5)On the other hand, in that same 48 hours even the most backwoods police department could produce enough irrefutable exculpatory evidence so that there would be no question in the public’s eye as to the innocence of these three.
The reason that the American people are willing to boycott Aruba is that in our mind’s eye these three were handed to the Aruban authorities on a silver platter with enough cicumstantial evidence that a monkey with a magnifying glass could have found the forensic evidence to prove that these three had been involved in committing a crime. However, the Aruban authorities chose to let the three go for 10 days so that the three could destroy all forensic evidence making sure that “with no body, there is no crime.”
Jim…I just read your entry with the scenarios about the newspaper. I would agree 100% with you if that was how this unfolded…but if the neighbor came out and said yes I took your paper…and I’m glad I did because I wanted it. Wouldn’t that change your opinion as to whether the neighbor took it or not?
I have agreed…hurting ANYONE or suggesting someone be hurt is a very dangerous thing to suggest…here or anywhere else. But I am for Beth continuing with whatever she feels she needs to do. If she wants to call a boycott…everyone says it won’t work…so whether or not we think its a good idea for her to do…so what if she does?? You have to either accept it could do some damage or you need to say let her go ahead…won’t work anyways.
The main house was not searched. For one thing, it isn’t possible to do a thourogh forensic search of an entire house in four hours. it simply isn’t possible and anybody with investigative experience will tell you that. So stop saying a forensic search of the house was done. It isn’t true.
The TV reports of men in white suits and photo-ops of trash bags and computers carried out was simply public relations – like the F-16 flyover. It was done to give the appearance that police and prosecutors were doing something.
That is not to say the police weren’t at the house at all. One said he would ask Paulus “Can we look in there?” And, Paulus would either say yeas or no. So Paulus was giving directions on where the police could look. That isn’t a search, folks.
Hey Leo,
Were you there? Then how do you know that it was a PR stunt, and not the real deal.
Here is why this is BS. It takes too many people without a heart or conscious to make a consiracy of this magnitude work. Get a new theory. There is no coverup
Go White Sox!!!
commonsense,
A thourgh forensic search of house can’t be done in four hours. I know they didn’t do it. And, if you are right why doesn’t the Aruban government come out and say “this is what we did in the house.” They won’t do it because they can’t.
It is just like them releasing the three main suspects and claiming it was done for “tactical reasons.” A lie. It was done because the Van Der Sloots had connections with officials in the criminal justice system – and the black security guards didn’t have connections. So, they tried to put this crime on two innocent men.
Commonsense, Misogeny rearing it’s ugly head again. What are you going to do, “Shut me up!” Commonsense, of which you have none, your posts have been deleted here numerous times, along with Bizman, due to your victim bashing and general displeasing dispositon. Yes, I can see why the two of you are “brothers”.
I personally, and I’m sure most people on here are fed up with bashing from both ends. I enjoyed this site so much before. Then all of this hate came in. Why? I read all of your posts and it takes all the strenght I have not to respond and say things that will get me kicked off. We all have opinions, but expressing with concern and expressing with anger is completly different. I’ll check this site again, but your comments I will not. You have made this unenjoyable for me and I think I can say that for some other people too.
So commonsense???? Where did you see a threat by Survivor against Bizman? Now that is how rumors start right?
Wow,
Whoa,wait a minute.First off Survivor I am no womanhater.How do you even insinuate that I hate women.FYI I am married and I happen to have 3 kids,1 son 18,1 daughter 15,1 son 14.So just what is it that I said that would make you say sucha thing?
My son recently went on his senior trip to Panama City and from what he shared about the trip Aruba was quite tame compared to what goes on in Panama City.So it is not even close to being fair to hang Aruba out to dry simply because Beth says to do so.If Natalee had of disappeared in Panama City Beth would not have had as much help as what the Arubans gave her.Simply because those kinds of disappearences unfortunately seem to happen all to often here in the states.I would have never of financed a trip to any party spot outside of the USA unless I was there as well.So he is lucky he got to go to Panama City and yes I could afford to have sent him.I recently returned from Aruba myself and found it to be nothing like Beth says it is.
Take Taylor Biehl for instance,she has been missing for over a month now and no F16 fighter planes have been scrambled for her here in the states where aircraft are in abundance.No service personnel have searched for her.So why is it that Beth seems to think that what the Arubans have done is insufficient.In fact more has been done to find Natalee than any other case that I have ever witnessed.
If the truth ever comes out about what happened to Natalee and if it does not fit what Beth says then it will be another round of coverup accusations and that whoever is being charged is being framed.So folks whatever ALE does they cannot ever have this case solved unless Joran and the Kalpoes are sentenced for the crime(if one even occurred).Beth will not accept anything less,can anyone really imagine her eating crow or wiping the egg off of her face on TV.No she will say they have the wrong people in custody.
Survivor,it is sad that you view anyone who speaks against what Beth says happened are participating in victim bashing.Nothing could be further from the truth as I have never bashed anyone and I am sorry if you thinking calling a spade a spade is indicative of victim bashing.
We have a good forum here and it sure would be good if someone can state their opinion and not have their opinion hijacked simply because their view does not coincide with what others believe.It is OK to disagree without forcing your opinion on the next person.As a reminder just because a person agrees with another does not make both right or enlightened it only means someone else shares the same view.
So if at all possible let me state my opinion and everyone else can state theirs,yes even Beth.
I believe what Beth was try to say with regard to “no forensics” was the following:
1. The search was not complete and rigorous – only part of the house and grounds were searched and the search was done with Paulus’ supervision.
2. The evidence collected (if any was and it wasn’t just a show) was NOT processed – NOT examined scientifically. (Given reports of missing evidence, witnesses never questioned, the half hearted police dump search, fire, and re-filling in of the area being search with new garbage, the general nature of the Aruban Police iinvestigation; this wouldn’t be surprising.)
Vengence:
Here’s federal law for your consideration. 18 U.S. Code 373
Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted
use, or threatened use of physical force against property or
against the person of another in violation of the laws of the
United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of
that intent, solicits, commands, induces, or otherwise endeavors to
persuade such other person to engage in such conduct, shall be
imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment
or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half of
the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the crime
solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by life
imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.
Mebbe it’s about time you saw a lawyer, Vengence.
Scared Monkeys, you gonna leave his post up? If someone acts on it, you could be found at least civilly liable . . .
Joran had sex on the beach with Natalie going in and out of consciousness and he left her on the beach. OK, where is she. Granted this was at night but she didn’t walk off the island. I am supposed to believe nobody saw her. But you are right, Beth should come home but she should make a stop in the Netherlands and Aruba and pick up a few people and bring them back with her. I am sure that after a few days of interrogation here that she might have some more information. The Aruban people are not to blame for what happened to Natalie only for what has happened afterward in the handling of the investigation.
Also for the idea that Natalie was taken as a sex slave. How did these people obtain her? Do they walk down the beaches at 2:00 am looking for girls that are unconscious?
Somebody had to deliver her to these people. Who were the last people with her?
Linda in L.A.
“would you be willing and able to say what you say to their face?”
I have recently noted on this and several other message boards the level of anger and malice spewing forth from people’s keyboards. It is an interesting social phenomenon, and a bit scary too. People on the net are now able to voice their opinions, address others, and slam others with only thinly veiled hatred. The anonymous nature of this format gives people the license to be rude, hateful and disrepectful without the normal social consequences that would go along with such behavior. We speak to each other in ways we would not even address strangers face to face. It makes you wonder how long it will take for some of this attitude to spill over into the rest of our lives when we continue on such a diet day after day. It makes you wonder what underlying social frustrations make us all so quick on the draw… perhaps its just those stupid people that have a different opinion than our own that bring out the worst…
Pissman,
You have got to be kidding with a name like that.
Burning in hell,for what its worth,if you believe in the concept of hell then surely you will believe in the concept of let him who has no sin cast the first stone.Or any of the other passages that you seem to think that you think others should follow but somehow your actions and words are not governed by what you preach.
Wow some of you really show just how hypocritical that your existence is.Perhaps if you actually practice what you preach then the world in which you think you are of so much importance will begin to revolve around you.
The far reaches of hell,where will you be Pissman?Just on the outskirts of this fictional place of hell.In your mind does it mean you are any better of a person if you are on the outskirts of hell or way on the other side of the far reaches of hell.Do yourself a favor and leave the religious overtones out of the search for Natalee.If any omnipotent being can be prayed to for her sake then why would such a being let something like this happen in the first place??Such a powerful being would not let such things even take place.
Americans stay away from our island, we don’t need you, we don’t want you, we don’t want any illiterate hillbillys from alabama on our island, STAY AWAY OR YOU WILL BE FED TO THE SHARKS, as to Beth Twitty- take some prozac like the rest of your fellow americans and shut up, your air time is up. STAY HOME YOU ARE NO LONGER WELCOME HERE
ï » ¿Let’s not be naive! I have been around the block a few times, lived in the Bronx and in Beverly
Hills! I believe that the Natalee Holloway investigation was a PLANNED COVER UP from day
ONE!! – This is also the reason why Paulus’ house was very intentionally not searched for
evidence right away, the cops wanted to give them time to do away with the evidence! The cops
are not stupid there, they just played the “GAME!” Because they were ALL protecting Paulus, the
arrests were only for show. This was proven when the judge, a friend of Paulus released Joran,
then they both escaped thinking to be safe in Holland.
There may be HUNDREDS of negative publicity web sites in several languages, geared against
Aruba, they’ll be coming up like bee hives. It will destroy Aruba!!
The ONLY thing Aruba can do, I think – is to STOP the CORRUPTION – TODAY! Make ALL
the slime balls responsible for the crime they committed on Natalee Holloway, prosecute those
who possess no mores and let the guys out of jail!
Or, it won’t be funny for Aruba when no more Americans and Western Europeans come to the
island and when NO more cruise ship stop in Aruba !!
Should the citizens of Aruba suffer because the governments chooses to protect a few
criminals??
The people of Aruba need to put pressure on the police and prosecution, or it won’t be funny……
NATALEE MUST BE RETURNED TO HER HOME COUNTRY!! NOW!!
The choice is with Aruba!
Vengeance,
Innocent until proven guilty?
Public tribunals have a different standard of proof than individuals who act upon a conviction.
Yes, Natalee’s justice is in the hand of individuals now that the government has quit.
This too funny! LOL ….
Pissman Says:
October 4th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
Bizman will be burning in the far reaches of hell with Urine VDS and the Alpo brothers, hopefully sooner than later.
Why do people post things like this? It’s funny, but … oh never mind, what’s the point …
Hey– With all this — what about the Kalpoes. I NEVER heard of or seen the “men in white suits” at the Kalpoe house. Did they take the computers from Deepak and Satish???? No….. well of course not –They may have found who Deepak was IN communication with so furiously that night after dropping Joran off at the beach/HI, wherever. It still strikes me as odd that as soon as Joran text messages Deepak that he is home and that he left Natalee at the beach — Deepak leaves immediately…..
WHO are the Arubian Government covering for Joran or the Kalpoes — You know we STILL know NOTHING about the Kalpoe brother’s background. WHO ARE THEY?????????
I’ve been following this case since it happened, and Scared Monkeys has become my point of reference.
I’ve been in law enforcement for over 20 years. The simple removal of evidence does not constitute a forensic search unless it is processed; a forensic search inside a residence days after the crimescene has been tainted is rarely successful. Luminol sprays were not reported as being done; fiber analysis was not, to our reported knowledge, done.
If the duct-tape-hair evidence proved not to be Natalee’s, (and I have real issues with that) one wonders whose hair it was. Duct tape and hair rarely come into contact during normal operations. It was reported on Nancy Grace that the arm bone found was not even human. A photo of the bones was posted here. If that is not a human armbone – and I have seen a few- what the heck is it?
Beth Twitty is trying to keep this case alive, and unfortunately she has so much awful truth to tell that she doesn’t need to make any up. The kind of intentional incompetence by Aruban police happens all the time. “Look, but don’t find anything” is a common strategy when politics or money is at stake. “Look busy, do nothing” – because it’s a judge’s son, who, oddly enough, appears to have a rather involved connection with the Aruban casino trade – kind of a odd for a kid, wouldn’t you think?
The case reeks of deceit. But murderers, especially young ones, tend to talk – we see that already with Joran. They talk, they get cocky, they re-offend. And he will.
But you know, I wish I could have him in an interview room for just one hour with no witnesses……
It seems that the Kalpoes have somewhat dropped from view with all the attention on Joran. This may make a lot of people mad, but I am willing to entertain the idea that Natalee was interested in Joran – attracted or otherwise just having fun. That doesn’t mean she wanted to be drugged, raped, murdered, participate in a round-robin, or be a part of anything that ultimately happened. Deepak, however, is the one who has publicly admitted they all had sex with her – and then called her a slut! I don’t know where the Aruban government stands on any of these guys, other than they released them unconditionally, but the rest of the world should keep the pressure on them to tell what they know.
Deano,
I do not think that you will have to worry about Americans not coming. That will happen with or without a boycott if the Aruban government does not prove that there are laws being enforced to insure your safety. I would not call anyone illiterate if I could not spell or use punctuation any better than you do. I guess you learned that at the same school Joran learned his morals.
Deano -
For someone who lives on an island that exists solely on tourist trade and drug drops, you’re awfully free with your insults. Is it a Dutch custom to badmouth crime victims or is that just an Aruban tradition?
Newsflash, Scooter: when the tourist trade stops, so will the cover for the drug pipeline ya’ll run down there. Better get you a book on fishing: it might be a trifle lean around old Aruba when that happens. Of course, you can always fall back on Aruba’s thriving sexual predator industry. You’ll have to scale down to Aruban girls, though – I doubt we feed your sharks any more of ours.
Oh Swaper – you are so misguided. You talk about wanting Joran in a room with no witnesses, then you wonder why people think Americans are angry and violent. Tourism won’t go away from Aruba. It is thriving.
Go White Sox.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I understand “innocent until proven guilty” but I can’t help but use some common sense here. JVDS, PVDS and the K-2 are in this up to thier nostrils. I believe others are too. Unfortunately, I believed Richard Ricci was involved in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart. I was happy to receive the egg on my face after learning he had nothing to do with it. Thank God she was found alive. That was completely unexpected considering the time that had elapsed. I doubt very seriously if the Holloways and Twittys will be that lucky. Even after learning my lesson in that case to wait for a court of law to prove and convict the guilty, my gut tells me that Beth Twitty is on the right track. She has been to Aruba and up close and personal with all of the main suspects. Her heart and soul tell her they know what happened to Natalee and I believe her and her instincts over the statements from proven liars.
Actually, I KNOW Americans are angry at a lot of things, and Aruba is on the short list.
Violent? We’re just as peacable as any humans on the planet – which is to say, we’re just as violent as any humans on the planet. We’re as peaceable as Beth Twitty soldiering on doggedly through the system and as violent as three young predators gang-raping a drugged teen.
I know Dutch law is different, but where I come from, Commonsense, when an offender admits that he had sexual intercourse with a girl that was “coming in and out of consciousness” we call that a confession to sexual battery. Unless, of course, rape is just one of the many services offered on your happy island.
You need to let your government know ya’ll are going to be okay with tourism, because they apparently feel it’s jeopardized – see the posts about it. We violent, angry Americans can show a surprising amount of solidarity.
Innocent until proven guilty? Or innocent despite all facts to the contrary?
[...] whether Beth Twitty had been telling the truth or embellishing it as per her statement, “Forensics were never done at the primary residence of the Van der Sloot home”. Many questioned her motives [...]
Listening to the covert taped interviews commissioned by Peter DeVries for the 4th time I suddenly could hear the pieces fall into place.
His father, the safety net, was the “friend” he called in the middle of the night.
“Joran, what have you done?”
I come here and find that I am late to the party.
You are 17. So. You have friends in “low places.” Ask them for help that puts blood on their hands, they become allergic to you.
If records from that pay phone exist it can be proven? Joran called home.
After a decade of bailing his “all boy” boy out of scraps did daddy see Joran as a victim in this situation? No doubt. Only a “friend” with everything at stake, and reason to believe (at 3am or so) his whereabouts would be easily accounted for, would take such an enormous burden that Joran would walk home and “sleep well.”
Joran’s mother, his media advocate, was kept in the dark. Her’s was not a performance. Dad, may have begun to doubt Joran’s victim status, seeing his boy’s absence of conscience, arrogance, and self-centeredness as something he enabled over the years. No jailhouse confessions? And now, no deathbed confession? Dad dropped dead. You can die of a broken heart and a guilty conscience. Like father – a man willing to practice situation ethics, a son – beyond that.
A full-blown sociopath – as a parent – one with blood on his hands; what must it feel like to finally realize your child is dead inside?
I don’t feel sorry for the Van der Sloot family. My sympathy lies with the pure victims.
Joran is not dead. He will never confess. he has no soul. The only justice for Natalie will likely come by proxy. If there is anything worse than burying a child it must be needing to bury a child and never even having that.
Shame on all yall who trample on the actions and motives of these broken families. Find something else to do.