RSSSad News from Mountain Brook, AL … Jug and Beth Twitty Divorcing
It is being reported that Jug Twitty, the stepfather of Natalee Holloway, has filed for a divorce from Beth Twitty. Unfortunately this happens all too often in families of missing persons who experience the loss of a loved one. The pressure, stress and burden is too much to bare.
George “Jug” Twitty filed papers in Jefferson County Circuit Court on Dec. 29 citing irreconcilable differences with his wife. Jug Twitty declined to comment on the divorce procedure.
The couple separated Dec. 15, according to the court filing, although their home off Overton Road is still listed as both their addresses. In the papers, Jug Twitty claims there’s “such a complete incompatibility of temperament that the parties can no longer live together.” The Twittys married July 26, 2000, a second marriage for both. (AL.com)
We wish them both the best.
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208 Responses to “Sad News from Mountain Brook, AL … Jug and Beth Twitty Divorcing”
This is so sad. But the stress of a missing child and one parent spending all their time trying to cross all roads to get closer can put a wrench in their home life. I hope Beth can get the answers she needs and I hope Jug can find the peace he needs. God Bless them during this time of need.
Oh how sad, like you said, this happens often to couples who suffer the loss of a child. Beth and Jug you are in my thoughts and prayers.
It is a shame the microscope Beth and Jug were put under by Aruba and others. Jug was a great defender of Natalee and a protector of Beth. Beth has found a calling in safe travels and her fight for finding her daughter, is her quest now, as should be. My wishes is that you both remain good friends, you’ve been through alot.
This is so sad!
copied from http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31
Readers respond to Chroniger column
By Chris Graham
A blurb from Phil Chroniger’s year-end column published in The Augusta Free Press late last month on the subject of the Natalee Holloway disappearance showed that some people obviously can’t get enough of what at least Chroniger sees as being perhaps the most overplayed and overhyped media story of 2006.
“I believe that before you allow Mr. Chroniger to contribute an article to your paper that you should be sure that he has the facts straight and is not just making them up as he goes,” wrote reader Jan Harbour. “It would have only taken a bit of research to rectify all of the errors that he made in reference to the Natalee Holloway case and Aruba. I counted six errors in one small paragraph.
“He is entitled to his opinion; I am entitled to mine; My opinion is that he owes the family of Natalee Holloway a written apology,” Harbour wrote.
Chroniger’s piece detailed his thoughts on how the media coverage has skimped on providing a look at how Holloway’s family has been able to manipulate public opinion to vilify a number of named suspects and the government of Aruba for its handling of Natalee’s case.
Given the tone of the letters that we have been receiving in response to Chroniger’s column in recent days, it would seem that the family and the media have been quite effective in getting that message out.
“If one is to call the garbage Chroniger wrote about Natalee Holloway and her family ‘journalism,’ then we will know journalism is truly dead,” reader Peggie Brown wrote. “The guy simply didn’t bother to get his facts straight, and instead slandered both Natalee Holloway and her family. Your paper should be positively ashamed for printing this piece of dirt.”
Numerous other letters arrived detailing similar thoughts that Chroniger is an ogre and that the Holloway family is deserved an apology and the rest. A clue to their origin came from reader Don Cloyd, who indicated that he first read Chroniger’s column at http://www.scaredmonkeys.com, which from its appearances is a simple blog founded, according to a blurb on its front page, “by two guys who went to school together, and have been discussing politics and life for years.”
From these humble beginnings, the blog has won over adherents who wrote to us en masse about how we should seek out the site for the “truth” about the Holloway case, as more than one reader related.
Many contained threats that lawsuits should be in the offing - and one contained a vague personal threat directed against this editor
On the flip side, we did get two letters - yes, two - from people who said that they appreciated that Chroniger dared to say what many Americans want to say about the Holloway case.
“Many thanks and blessings to Phil Chroniger for speaking what so many Americans have been waiting to hear. Finally someone speaking out and calling the Natalee Holloway case for exactly what it is,” reader RoseMarie Hughes wrote.
“Finally, a man who is not afraid to speak the truth with regard to the Natalee Holloway story. I am sick to death of this young girl (and I am sorry she is missing) being protrayed as the next Mother Theresa, and not one TV personality asking what were the parents thinking on sending their kids, to a foreign country no less, for this type of trip,” wrote another reader who submitted an anonymous letter.
Chris Graham is the executive editor of The New Dominion.
Beth deserves the best.I pray for her happiness.She must think the world is against her.Beth is strong.She will survive.
That is awful. I am so sad to hear that. I’m sure the strain on their relationship has been tremendous though. I can’t even imagine. Beth needs to do what she needs to do though. I as a mother would be doing the same thing. But I wouldn’t have the same patience / faith in the system as Beth does though. She is such a wonderful person. I probably would have gunned the murdering rapists down and went to prison by now.
To the Holloway / Twitty family, it will all work out in the end. Those involved in what happened to Natalee will get it some day. Please know that you are in our prayers.
#4
“A clue to their origin came from reader Don Cloyd, who indicated that he first read Chroniger’s column at http://www.scaredmonkeys.com, which from its appearances is a simple blog founded, according to a blurb on its front page, “by two guys who went to school together, and have been discussing politics and life for years.”
“A simple blog” as compared to one with no past, no clue and without a fact checker.
One might want to know what they are actually talking about before they decide to criticize others. Just a helpful blog hint.
R
Red
Your last paragraph, pretty much sums it up. The reason for the letters referring to Chronigers article , was because he did not state facts, which BTW Mr. Graham did not care to qualify either.
As Mother always said….Consider the source.
Bless everyone who has written in on the Chroninger slime and smear. I had planned to do so this weekend, but don’t think there’s any point in it now.
On the divorce, I’ll repeat my post from an earlier thread:
Nobody outside of the family has the right to comment or opine, certainly including me. Yet from what I’ve read, many families that undergo the trauma of a missing family member find that the tragedy affects their relationship.
I have little personal knowledge of the family, yet I believe that these divorce proceedings are most probably another legacy of the Aruba tragedy.
We all give the Holloway Twittys our support, admiration, and even love. May the outpouring of these feelings be redoubled now, in this time of testing.
And while little is said about Natalee’s brother, Matt, I hope that his path can be eased.
And let us reaffirm that the bastards in Aruba are going to pay for their treatment of this grieving family. Pay dearly.
Let me say one thing more. We’ve read Oduber’s message to the other Arubans for 2007. That filthy piece of scum (I suppose I’m violating diplomatic etiquette, but who cares) didn’t even have the courage to mention the name of Natalee Holloway.
The bastard whined and begged for people to stop attacking his government. Well, Oduber, you can grovel in the slime with your fellow pigs (this language refers not to the good Aruban people, but to the animals that run the deathtrap island) and whine and whimper all you want.
You will get the attention that you deserve, and it will not let up. The Americans who write like that Chroninger fool might try to sense the feeling of having a family member go missing in a foreign country … taken away by persons whose identities are known … go try to track their family member, only to be asked how much money they have and to be warned about things being slipped in their drinks … and then to face lies, deceit, slander and threats … and THEN to come back here and see asinine articles like that one.
Chroninger, and the two who wrote in to support you (if indeed anyone did), go lie in the slime with the pigs of Aruba. Fit company.
I’ve never seen anybody being so jealous of the attention a missing person has gotton before.
this is a sad day OMG the pressure and loss this couple has gone through My heart just goes out to both of them
My heart is heavy to hear that they have spit up…. This whole incident has taken a large toll on their family. It was something that they couldn’t recover from. It prbably changed both their personalities…how could it not?
Unfortunately, life will never settle down to “normal” ever again, especially for Beth Twitty. If her daughter had just died and then proceeded on to finding the body, then the perps, trial and prison…. She could have gotten on and continued with her life. But this has been horrible… like being in limbo.
Also, all the allegations that the Twitty’s might have been involved, even though part of the lies sent out by Aruba and their media machine, and even if 99.9% not true — in the dark of the night, when a person thinks “dark” thoughts — Beth must have quietly examined the posibilities and wondered –and that wondering couldn’t have helped.
What that group of people in Aruba did was, and continues to be, cruelity above and beyond the normal. Yes, they murdered Beth’s daughter and felt that they were superior. Because she dared to fight them and wanted to get to the bottom of this, and didn’t accept the scapegoats and the story they wanted to feed her, and go quietly into the night, they have decided to make her life a living hell.
The story in the Chronigers, obviously written by one of them — or one of their stupid puppets, has again slandered and put continuing pressure on Beth and Jug. They no longer stand united but will be parting. I imagine their are some happy smiles on the faces of that Aruba group!
I want to finish this by saying I am very sorry that Beth and Jug are divorcing — my condolences in what appeared to have been a happy marriage sabotaged by the people who murdered and covered up Natalee’s death.
Now they have killed Beth’s daughter and her marriage.
The ramifications of our actions can have such far reaching consequences… If Natalee had known that night of revelry would be her last, and the resulting international media blitz that would expose Aruba’s corruption to the world, the strain on her community, and ultimately, the break-up of her family - I believe she would have thought twice before she getting in a car with three strangers…
Especially three strangers who would have so little regard for a fellow human being!
Richard
Well said
As previously stated … we wish Beth & Jug all the best, how many of us could have dealt with what they have had to endure and being in the media spotlight as well.
So many others with just the worst of intentions toward a family like so many others out there with a missing child.
But because they are vocal in their pursuit and wish to help others, people feel that it is ok to make them targets.
Thats a shame.
R
Beth, I for one think that you must be a TRUE Christian. The only time that one has to bear so much heartache, is when they are close to God and Satan is trying to destroy your relationship with the Lord. Stay strong,Beth, the answers will come. God has not forsaken you, he is testing you. My prayers are with you and Matt, I pray you will remain friends with Jug as his heart must be breaking also. Oh, this just hurts so much. Im so sorry.
Micah
If Natalee had the ability to realize the creeps that targeted her that night, we would not be here on this post today.
Even old Anita asked why Natalee got in a car with HER SON.
Why would Anita worry about that, what danger was Anita implying Natalee was in? What does that say loud and clear? If the sporter is the model as they say, certainly Anita would have felt releived that it was her son, Natalee got in the car with.
This is such sad news. Another life altering event. First to lose their beautiful beloved daughter in such an abrupt manner, then to find themselves moving in incompatible directions is heartbreaking. This family deserves hope, love & support, not bashing & glee. The Twitty (& Holloway)
families have shown us quiet dignity, determination, strength & unfailing faith, and reflect the ideals all of us should stive for. May God guide you and comfort you.
What goes around comes around….
_________
SM: We are allowing this hideous and nasty comment through to show others why people have no want or need to go to Aruba. You wonder why your tourism is in the toilet? What a sympathetic and friendly people you truly are. For all those that state falsely that we deny comments … you are foolishly wrong. Speech is a double edge sword … some people should think first.
This poster comes on and openly advertises Aruba … so I guess they speak for Aruba. Is this what the majority of people think? If so, you actually question why your beaches are empty?
Although this is not a public forum, it is private and no free speech applies … SM allows others to make asses out of themselves. We also show the reason why no one wishes to go to Aruba.
Lose a daughter, get blamed by the Aruban police, be ridiculed, have a marriage fall apart due to the strain and some how an imbecile poster from Aruba thinks this is some how “whats goes around”.
Does Aruba really wonder why the majority of tourists have no pity for them. If this is how you feel about a mother who has lost a child, one can only imagine how you feel about the average American tourist.
How pathetic as it is actually you who must look in the mirror.
All people serve as an example to others. In this case they are put on to represent a “bad example”.
R
A STEP-FATHER’S ANGUISH …. A STEP-FATHER’S LOVE
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/
July 14, 2005
TWITTY: …… I’ll make a plea to Paulus, you need to talk to your son, and you need to come and you need to face us and tell us the truth.
Let’s bring this to closure. You know the answers. Your son knows the answers. So all we’re asking for is, you know, whatever happened, we’ve been through the we’ve found her alive, she’s been dead. Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she’s alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we’ll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.
#13- If Natalee had known….she wouldnt have gone to Aruba…come on now…Read the facts first before posting something as dumb as “she wouldnt have gotten into a car with three strangers”…THE PIG URINE said he was a freakin tourist….staying at the HI. She thought she was getting into a CAB and going to the HI w/ that piece of____. All she is guilty of is being TRUSTING AND NAIVE. She thought[imo] that LIERUBA WAS SAFE… Well I for one wont stop telling everyone for the rest of my life HOW UNSAFE IT IS.
Janet (#20):
Yeah, he talked to his son alright… and he cemented the area around his pool.
rumhole aruba: i figured you would have a stupid remark about this. what comes around goes around for you also and it’s just around the corner. hungry for white bread yet ?
seen your empty beaches lately ? been to c&c’s for your weekly molesting session ?
will you go down with the ship or will you run like all the little chicken $hits that caused this to happen. which one of the criminals are you ?
Thank you Red, for letting Rumba’s post be seen by all.
Only goes to reinforce the heartlessness of Aruba, like I posted earlier Rumba, you linked us to your Aruba website, where it appears your last visitor was 12/21/06. You are not only callus you are also stupid, you’ve proved a point for us, your tourism is down, and will remain so.
Nice Try Rumba,
below is copied from copied from http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 12:49 pm
Allow me to FIRST AND FOREMOST…I apologize for the factual errors I have made. I do, however, state that my error about the Dutch gentleman being Swedish was an error that was made by CNN on a broadcast a few weeks ago.
Being the man that I am, I have no problem admitting my factual errors. I normally pride myself on getting my facts straight, and I managed to bumble this one a bit.
But let us get one thing clear, people…Natalie Holloway did NOT get what she deserved. However, I believe that the family of Ms. Holloway are very well playing the race card implicitly. That is MY opinion from having to spend over a year of news-channel viewing time listening to the “developments” of this story.
To say my article was “riddled” with fallacies a bit much, considering that I’m attempting to rehash over a year’s worth of information in a short blurb…and I managed to get turn “Dutch” into “Swedish” due to the fact that a CNN broadcast I had seen a while ago made the same error.
I do not believe that personal threats towards Chris Graham, myself, and anyone else involved with “The New Dominion” is warranted. Columnists say much more outlandish and shocking statements each and every day in editorials across the nation that get much more notoriety and readership than my column does.
However, when Al Franken and W.R. Marshall make such outlandish, unfounded, statements with errors in the facts…it is people like many of you who support their right to “free speech.” When I voice my opinion that has it’s supporters, the detractors want to paint a picture of me being a vicious “ogre”, a cruel and heartless man.
These are not words that describe me. I write my opinions. You are not entitled to like my opinions. You have a choice on whether or not you like them.
And to get upset over having to read my “dirt” and “garbage”? I have to read dirt and garbage all the time from several columnists. Some of that dirt and garbage comes from columnists in this very publication (see W.R. Marshall’s latest column, for instance).
If you think I wanted Ms. Holloway to suffer the fate she suffered, you could not be more wrong…and you also completely missed the point of my column.
All I’m saying is that we should call this for what it is…a girl was out partying in Aruba (a tropical paradise), and she got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time. My problem is with the “all-American, perfect child” depiction we get from her. I simply don’t buy it.
I have nothing but my deepest condolences for the family of Natalie Holloway for the fact that she was murdered. I cannot make it clearer.
I, however, just don’t buy the angelic hype.
There, I’ve made myself clear.
“Predators”
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
May be we should not pay attention to missing women who are white and attractive,dont wont to offend any one do we.Seriously PHIL your the only one playing the race card.OH PHIL do you have kids i hope not, You seem to think all young women are sluts at least thats my impression.
Thanks, Justice.
Boycott Aruba… or else
How very sad… I feel badly for Beth since she obviously no longer has support from her husband. It’s a shame when ego’s and temperments get in the way … Beth did what she had to do when her daughter was murdered. I admire her so.
I only wish Jug could have taken a back seat and had been more willing to bend and accept what Beth had to do. Beth I am here for you… an unknown friend…
what angelic hype??
Nobody ever said she was angelic & superior to others, that thought was borne in the minds of those who feel inferior about themselves. If you feel beneath Natalee thats you’re problem not Natalee’s.
Phil need apply with the Old Gray Lady who cannot seem to get her facts straight either.
Hey Carpe!
You’ve got mail!
Well I hope it’s not a custody battle.
_______________
SM: If you are referring to a custody battle over Matt, I hardly think so. Matt is almost 18 and will graduate from high school in approx 6 months. He was not adopted by Jug and therefore not Jug’s legal responsibility. Any talk of a custody battle regarding Matt is rediculous, IMO. (klaasend)
Aruba’s Predators
Joran Van Der Sloot’s own actions show his modus operandi for manipulating his victims by assuming the role of tourist himself. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe tell us how they’ve done this with tourist girls before. What exactly have they done 20 times with nothing going wrong before Natalee?
Considering the responses Satish and Deepak gave to authorities about prior activities with tourist girls - why was Joran never asked these same questions by his “interrogator”?
A frightening thought is wondering just how many victims these criminals have violated with this ruse? Using Joran as the front man, posing as a tourist from St Leo or Michigan University (or from Holland, as in Natalee’s case)- coincidentally staying at their target’s hotel, while the others wait for him to play out his role convincingly, and effectively snare their victim.
Just how many other unsuspecting and drugged US teens stepped into a silver Honda Civic thinking it was a taxi? 20 of them?
Excerpt from Aruba Dirty Police
I am not going to concern myself with this column writer; it’s obvious that he has no pride… he uses this as an excuse to attack an affiliate of the same paper that is stupid enough to publish his work… birds of a feather… not worth my precious time.
He does make a point that, perhaps, we all need to think about and that is that we still have, in our society, people, like him, that think that we are still living in a less violent time when teenagers were all about drinking beer and driving fast cars… when, if you ever got a girl to hop into the back seat at the drive-in movie, it was of her own doing… “She should have known better!”
Perhaps he, and those like him, need to grow up.
This is such sad news! My heart just breakes for Beth and Jug.”Please God give them answers”.
The race card?
The race card?
THE RACE CARD????
What in Hell are you saying, Chroninger, you stupid b{{edit}}d? WHO is playing the race card in Aruba?
Maybe Joran van der Sloot, the chief suspect, is not on the same level as humanity as Natalee or her family, but he is of the same race, to the best of my knowledge.
Are you saying that the Holloway Twittys are pointing the finger at the Kalpoes because they are from Suriname?
Allow me to remind YOU, Chroninger, that the reason they are suspects IS THAT THEY WERE THE LAST PEOPLE SEEN WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
Any “race card” that was waved was by the three suspects who implicated two black security guards.
Got that, you piece of scum?
Sorry for these expletives, but reading that sentence got me so angry that I can hardly type straight.
Goddamn, I’m going to send that a{{edit}}hole a letter for sure!
Miss Mayan
You got that right. Why does it bother him soooo much that alot of people held Natalee in high regard? Sometimes people are forced to face their own short comings and become salty about others.
Any word on our good buddy 1906?
I apologize for some of my words above … and if the moderators think they should be edited out, please feel free to do so.
As for “What goes around comes around,” Rhumba … I certainly hope that it does for you and all the Arubans who think like you. Sit there and smirk; we’ll see who laughs last.
Beth played the race card, really Phil?
Did I miss something? I saw no one claiming this was done because Natalee was white.
It was always stated that Natalee was AN AMERICAN TOURIST .
Such Jealous ppl. I feel sorry for him.
Richard good points, where is Phil to defend the two wrongfully accused guards?
Justice:
Yep! We live in different times. The predators don’t drive fast cars, drink beer and go to drive-in movies… now they pose as tourists hiring taxis… But, in the end, they still say it’s “her” fault.
Consider the statements by Deepak concerning American women…
chroniger made himself clear all right. he’s a childish idiot blaming other bloggers for his crassness and heartlessness. he is the man who forms his opinions. his opninions mirror the man he is. croniger is not worth the powder it would take to burn him. my grandsons stopped using the kind of excuses croniger uses when they were about 5 yrs. old. if he does run for some kind of public office, god help us all if he wins.
dennisintn
Richard:
This guy is stuck in the ’60’s… He, still, thinks that everyone that lives in the south are racist.
There never has been a race card.
The only reason that the two black security guards are freely walking the streets of Aruba is because a force by the name of Beth Twitty was not anticipated. A force that was not deceived by smoke screens set up by the “powers that be” in Aruba.
Holiday Inn security cameras did not record Natalee being returned to the the entrance/lobby as stated by Joran, Deepak and Satish in their witness/suspect statements and …. if the Holiday Inn story was a fabrication …. then so was the reference to the security guard.
Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway brought a civil suit against Joran Van der Sloot in January, 2006 and …. they brought a civil suit again Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in December, 2006. If a race card exists …. which race.
BETH TWITTY
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew-and we have to keep reminding everyone-after 72 hours — 72 hours-we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn’t, at this point? You know, we-and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.
Why the only reason i can think of Miss-U is jealousy.
People who feel loved & cherished don’t feel the need to lash out at other people, much less lash out at a missing & presumed dead young girl.
I know Richard…..the part about the “race card being played” is just soooo bogus, it just boggles the mind how lame & stupid some people are.
What sad news to start my day off with ~ I wish both Beth and Jug all the best in their new lives and may God help them both find peace and comfort. I read “incompatibility of temperament” to mean Beths commitment to her crusade to find justice for Natalee and prevent other young people falling into the same web of deceit and Jugs wish for their life to return to as normal as possible. This is another tragedy to be put squarely on the doorsteps of the perverts and their protectors. Beth you have an extended family of monkeys from all around the world to support you in your quest. May God hold you and Matt in His Hands and give you His strength and solace.
I will not start on that Phil dill or I may melt my broadband cable.
Below is copied from http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31 messageboard
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 1:50 pm
I find it amazing that two people can generate so much angst towards my own opinion in half an hour over a topic that has nothing to do with them.
“Her” should really be “them”. Them = media, Beth Twitty, and you people. Please forgive my typo in haste to get a proper reply to you dagger-wielding readers.
What bothers me about the depiction is the fact that I just don’t buy into it. I know plenty of girls with the same track record as Miss Holloway of being “upstanding students and members of the community”…until Friday and Saturday night. I just find it incredible that none of you think that her frolicking around Aruba with strange guys, and hanging out in bars at the age of 18, is pertinent to her character.
Not to mention that it was her friends that told her NOT to go with the Kalpoe’s, but she went anyway.
And to Mike, if we’re to put her death on the front page and the top headlines consistently, you are opening up the opportunity to judge someone. You have judged her to be what the media has portrayed her to be. I have not. Simple as that.
How come when I write articles about topics such as education, elections, and media bias…you people do not react. However, when allow you people to bear witness to my own personal opinion about a story that has no effects on your life…you blow up like fireworks on the 4th of July?
Comment from Mike
Time: January 5, 2007, 1:58 pm
“How come when I write articles about topics such as education, elections, and media bias…you people do not react. However, when allow you people to bear witness to my own personal opinion about a story that has no effects on your life…you blow up like fireworks on the 4th of July?”
For me it could be the fact that I had never heard of you before this article was circulated around some of the crime related blogs. And, I must say you have made quiet a first impression. How am I to take you seriously about any other subject matter in the future?
Comment from Mike
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:10 pm
“And to Mike, if we’re to put her death on the front page and the top headlines consistently, you are opening up the opportunity to judge someone. You have judged her to be what the media has portrayed her to be. I have not. Simple as that.”
My impression of Natalee Holloway is based upon what her parents and friends have said about her and the fact that I am the parent of three boys each with different personality traits. The media had little to do with the basis of my opinion about the child.
More importantly it would not matter to me if Natalee partied 24 hours a day while she was on vacation, because she did not deserve the fate that befell her that spring night in 2005. Nor did her family deserve the fate they were dealt by the rampant corruption that infiltrates every nook and craine of “One Happy Island!”
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:12 pm
Buddy, you don’t even have to read what I write in the future…but thanks for the heads up that I have a few new readers
I didn’t even know I was being “circulated” anywhere. I’m not a fame-hound by any means, so I didn’t even know many people were reading me here at The New Dominion.
Nonetheless, let me bullet-point some things for you people to end this madness.
- I don’t believe Natalee Holloway deserved to be murdered.
- I do stand by my opinion about the media coverage of this case.
- You will not change that opinion.
- I do admit to factual errors that do not change the above opinion.
- I do believe that there is at least a subconscious level of racism involved with the lawsuit against the Kalpoe’s, if there wasn’t, there would be more mention of Joran van der Sloot and his level of involvement.
- I believe that whoever killed Natalee Holloway, no matter her character, should pay the price for what they did.
- Those opinions are also ones that you will not change.
- This blurb of a larger column (that has angered you people, so) was written in 10 minutes time.
And that’s the bottom line as far as I’m concerned. I’ve got another column to write for next week.
Comment from Debbie Brown
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:16 pm
Phil, there are plenty of hot topics for you to write about without downgrading the family of a missing girl with nonfactual statements. The brothers are not Aruban, Joran was served with a lawsuit, and the black security guards were released due to Beth’s diligent efforts to have the likely perpetrators properly investigated and innocent persons of whatever color who had never been seen near Natalee to be given their freedom. How about an apology for calling her racist? And yes, a great many Americans DO want to hear what the media can uncover about the terrible way that the Aruban law enforcement and other officials have handled this situation. It is a matter of justice and safety for future tourists to Aruba and to other vacation destinations. It is not only about one missing girl, as if that were not bad enough. And you are running for office?
Comment from Mishy
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:21 pm
In your next column, maybe you should spend some time fact checking…Your comment below shows just how little you actually do know about this case and the lawsuits that have arisen as a result. As for these comments weilding daggers, now you’re just being paranoid. You’ve shown that you are prone to exaggeration too…
- I do believe that there is at least a subconscious level of racism involved with the lawsuit against the Kalpoe’s, if there wasn’t, there would be more mention of Joran van der Sloot and his level of involvement.
How, now, are we to give anything you write any credibility when we have established that you don’t check your facts, you don’t research your subject matter, and that you are prone to exaggeration? Nobody is trying to change your opinion. Just wondering when you are going to print the facts.
Comment from Mike
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:22 pm
“I find it amazing that two people can generate so much angst towards my own opinion in half an hour over a topic that has nothing to do with them.”
What? Are you new to this business? Why did you write a column about a topic that has nothing to do with you? Why do we bother to read the newspaper each morning, when most of it has nothing to do with us personally?
There is NO racist undertone to the Kalpoe wrongful death suit!!!!!! When the Kalpoes filed suit in California they opened a jurisdictional door and the attorneys representing Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty seized the opportunity to file suit against them. Joran Van Der Sloot is not a party to the Kalpoe civil suit, so he is still out of reach for the moment.
I think there are some racist undertones in your column, but they are subliminal and have nothing to do with Natalee Holloway’s family.
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:30 pm
If you read my article, I never said there was explicit racism, I just merely asked the question of possible racism.
You, sir, are parsing words.
Comment from Mike
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:35 pm
Why do you even suggest there would be racial motives for the lawsuit? Do you know anything at all about the subject matter you chose to write about and ridicule?
To get to Joran Van Der Sloot they would trade off both Kalpoes in a heartbeat, if that would open the door!
Comment from cli
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:46 pm
If Joran van der Sloot had joined in filing the suit in LA County, he would be part of this civil suit.
The family can’t file a suit against him in a court in this country if he doesn’t have a presence here for some reason or another.
The Surinamese brothers, on the other hand, DID file a suit in LA County, against “Dr Phil” et al. Joran van der Sloot is not part of that suit; he was not present in the taped interview that was played on the show, which is the basis of that suit.
That suit THEN gave the family a window of opportunity for a civil suit against the brothers, since they OPENED that window in LA County. Of course a judge there will have to rule on the merits of either of these two suits being allowed to continue.
The family would LOVE to get JVDS in a U.S. court, even more so than the two brothers. It is my understanding that the family also is pursuing International Law/Court possibilities.
YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, PHIL. To insist that the LA legal proceedings is racist is totally off the mark.
And finally, you may deplore that some media have chosen to “milk” this story. However, without media scrutiny, and the efforts of Beth Holloway-Twitty, I am convinced that those two black security guards would have been (wrongly) convicted in this case.
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:47 pm
None of you people get the point of “speculation”, which is what I was doing when I brought out the racial motives. I was speculating as to the possibilities of racial motives behind the “wrongful death” lawsuit towards the Kalpoe’s.
And if any of you people actually read my columns, you would see that I do a good amount of fact-checking.
But, in the short attention span that is America, I shouldn’t expect so much from those of you who decided to sling mud at me for speculating possibilities.
Why should I apologize, I did not call Beth Twitty a racist.
Comment from Phil Chroniger
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:49 pm
By the way…make all the comments you want…I will reply no further to this thread, as there is nothing but flame wars being started by those who do not agree with my simple speculation, NOT accusation, of racial motives.
Thank you.
Comment from Debbie Brown
Time: January 5, 2007, 2:52 pm
Are you aware that on Natalee’s third day missing her father was asked by the police in charge of the case why he was investigating? That he should go to the bar she left from and wait for her to show up there, and oh yes, to watch his drink as people put stuff in drinks there. Do you suppose that could have happened to Natalee, and that her willingness to go with three strange men might have been drug induced? In all photos of her taken that day and evening she did not appear drunk, even though she was drinking. She did appear to be partying and having a good time. And perhaps she was too trusting of a man who lied to the tourists about who he was. Wouldn’t it be wise for a public commentator to think about those things before smearing the missing girl and her family? You make yourself look bad.
Comment from cli
Time: January 5, 2007, 3:07 pm
Phil Wrote:
“Now, Miss Holloway’s parents are pursuing a wrongful-death lawsuit against the brothers (natives of Aruba, if I’m not mistaken) who were last seen with Natalie. Strangely enough, they do not mention a word about the Swedish guy who was with her, as well. Racism, anyone? The brothers, in turn, are suing Dr. Phil and NBC/Universal for doctoring an interview they had with Dr. Phil, saying that they spliced the reponses to cast them in a negative light.”
My Response:
Brothers are not natives of Aruba; they are from Suriname.
They are among the 3 people last seen with Natalee Holloway.
However, the Dutch (not Swedish) guy is alledgedly the very last person seen with Natalee Holloway.
“Racism anyone?”
I don’t know how else to “parse that phrase,” which is the main reason so many of us are HERE RIGHT NOW.
“The brothers, in turn, are suing Dr. Phil .. ”
You’ve got the sequence of events wrong. The brothers sued Dr. Phil IN THIS COUNTRY, providing an opportunity for the family to THEN sue the brothers IN THIS COUNTRY.
Phil wrote:
‘Tis a Merry Christmas indeed for the pockets of at least some of the lawyers involved, as someone will be getting very rich off of the death of a girl that received much more attention simply because of the fact that she was a rich girl from a nice, quiet house in American suburbia (white liberal heaven, mind you) - where things are supposed to be safe and sterile. That sterility was tainted, and the media jumped on it like sharks to blood in the water.
My response:
I can not imagine how or why you think that Mountain Brook, Alabama - of all places - is a white LIBERAL heaven. However, it doesn’t matter whether it’s liberal, conservative, libritarian, or what political stripe.
As far as I know, BOTH of Natalee Holloway’s parents, and at least one of her step-parents, work. (I do not know whether Mrs. Dave Holloway works; she does have young chidlren.) If that makes them “rich,” at least it’s due to their own efforts.
Comment from Mike
Time: January 5, 2007, 3:15 pm
“By the way…make all the comments you want…I will reply no further to this thread, as there is nothing but flame wars being started by those who do not agree with my simple speculation, NOT accusation, of racial motives.”
Getting a little too hot in the kitchen?
What most of us with the very short attention spans that have followed this case daily for the past 19 months want to know is what you based such a harmful, cruel SPECULATION upon?
There are three primary suspects in this case living in Aruba. None of them are citizens of the island. All three of them played a roll in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway to one degree or another. As for the two Surinamese brothers, they would not be considered black by most cultures or anthropologists. Their physical traits are more akin to a Pacific Islander, or Middle Eastern.
The only thing remotely interesting about this topic is that not a person on that island would have gone to the extents that they have, if it were not for the fact that Joran Van Der Sloot was in the mix. You know, the tall, fair skinned Dutch boy that was allowed to run amuck on that island without restraint.
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Those security guards stole an I pod and some other stuff from the MB students. That was the reason for their arrest.
I am so sorry for Beth and Jug, in difficult times you should stick together so I wonder what the reason of divorce is looking at the date of filing it.
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SM: No they were arrested on suspicion of murder. So the theft of items is some how more of a reason for arrest than being the last known people with the victim. Hmmm.
R
Maybe it is better to post comments about
little man Chroniger here instead of giving him
hits on his site.
Quit whining, Chroniger.
Your lack of manhood is showing.
Just Forget Phil,,,hes an idiot.
You think maybe Phil and family have been given a couple of weeks on Aruba? Why, all of a sudden is he bashing Natalee and her family?
I grieve for Beth, however, She acted too foolishly and is
losing a good man. I am for her wanting to inform others, but she needs councilling on control and logic. I think
she is a loser in this department. She is shaming Natalee
with this action. Jug was a good stepfather.
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SM: First off, Jug is filing for divorce not Beth. Second, how is she shaming Natalee? Beth is doing what she needs to do to get justice for Natalee. Who are you to say how she should or should not act! Natalee would be very proud of Beth and Dave, IMO (klaasend)
I’ve got one more thing to say about this loser, his so called article read like aruba scripted it. That said i think you’re right dennisintn, aruba offered a free trip. No one with class & common sense is going to that low brow place.
oops i meant chris……sorry chris!
This is such sad news… I remember John Walsh saying he and his wife had lots of similar problems after losing Adam. When my children were small, I had one disappear only for minutes and the panic is awful one feels. I can’t imagine going through the rest of my life that way.
I find it laughable that it’s ok to speculate about Natalee and her last moments of life, and yet it’s not ok to talk about all the bs we have seen from the 3 suspects. Natalee isn’t here to defend herself on anything they say about her, all 3 suspects are alive and doing well and can speak up anytime they want. How convenient for them.
Frank , excellent column! Joran never saw the Kalpoes with a girl, yet Deepak says they all 3 have been in the same room having sex before. Who was the Kalpoes having sex with if Joran never saw them with a girl. It’s so pathetic, 1 and a half years and nothing has changed the facts. Natalee was last seen with the Kalpoes and Joran leaving CnC. Nooone has seen her again anywhere. None of the 3 agree on how Joran got home that night. The Kalpoes still say they went to the lighthouse. Joran claims they didnt. Joran even describes in detail Natalee’s underwear from being in a car in the dark with her, yet the next day he had to call Deepak from the police station to ask Deepak what Natalee was wearing. Paulus VDS knows what he did, the other 3 know what they did. They can lie and deny all they want, make up lies eternally, but the facts speak for themselves. This was a set up for Natalee all along. Noone saw drugs being put in Natalee’s drink, but why would they pull her over to another bar after it closes and serve her up the strongest thing in the house 75 proof rum. For those who don’t think it’s possible it was drugged. Dave was told to watch his drink, they might drug it. So they would drug a mid 40s guy’s drink and not an 18 year old beautiful girl’s drink. OK! This is the most bizzarre bunch of bs I have ever heard anyone try to sell the public. The elephant in the room blocks the view of anything else in Aruba.
I was talking to 2 guys a few weeks ago and we talked about this case, they didn’t follow it as close as most of us, but the first thing they said was, they killed her and covered it up.
I don’t care if a woman walks down the street nude and drunk, let the cops handle it, it doesn’t give one person the right to kill her. A predator is always 10 steps ahead of their victim. They’ve been making plans hours before the victim becomes one. One statement of Jorans he says he lied to her about his age, Natalee’s friends say he told them he was a soccer player from Holland. Another one Joran says he told her his dad was a judge. In actually that’s a much prettier picture then the reality of who he was. What guy plans for hours to go pick up girls and forgets his condoms, when he can stop anywhere and buy some. One time he says they went to his house and sat out front and another he says he decided not to go to his house, he didn’t want to wake his family. He lived in his own place, so why would that wake his family. Didn’t wake them when Deepak and Satish came, parked the car and waited around on Joran to get ready to go. Remember his dad said he sneaked out. The next night he sneaked out again according to his dad, however in his father’s police statements, Paulus says Joran told him he was going to the Wyndham the second night and he said ok, so how is that sneaking out again without him knowing? Both families do nothing but lie. There’s a reason for that, 3 guys and one intoxicated girl go out and the only one who DONT make it back is the intoxicated girl. Not to mention the big fat lie about an 18 year old girl that he says isn’t intoxicated wanted to sit on the beach in a foreign country at 3am alone. His stupid shoe story about leaving them by the Marriott, and yet he didn’t want to go down by Natalee at the fisherman’s huts to get his shoes. She would be nowhere near his shoes. They go out and get a script, rehearse and come back with more acting. Natalee didn’t run away, she didn’t evaporate and she didn’t sprout wings. Doesn’t leave too many choices and she was seen by noone else or with anyone else, Natalee’s shoes never found. No witnesses to see them on the beach. Joran’s shoes never found on the beach. Why would you photoshop your picture in a presumed dead girls picture in Alabama long before he knew her, when you are the main suspect. Why would you delete everything on your hard drive and save nothing. Why would you look a family in the face the first night they are in town and say I don’t know her or her name, when they stated they made the story up about the Holiday Inn and Natalee on the way home to talk to them. They make the movie Psycho look like a comedy.
Mr Cohen is that you?
The divorce filing was just announced on The FOX Report with Shepard Smith… SO SAD!
When things like Natalee’s disappearance/murder happen people lose every ounce of TRUST they ever had and never get it back.
My Prayers are with you Beth and Jug!
#l3, micah, if jvds has just obeyed the laws, kept his ass home where it belonged or even had respected the rights of another human being to live, none of this would have happened.
dennisintn
Response to R - Comment #50
R please inform the attorneys for the security guards, the spokesperson for the Aruban governmentand the spokesperson for the ALE that they have it all wrong.
Janet
Chris LeJuez/Noraina Pietersz - Security Guards’ Attorneys
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/
June 9, 2005
The two men were arrested Sunday on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to court-appointed defense attorneys Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez.
Ruben Trapenberg
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8288005/
June 17, 2005
RUBEN TRAPENBERG, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT: No, he just gave you an explanation of that possibility. That is possible at this point, but if the investigation has led to these three guys, the chance for them being released at this point I think is very, very small. Remember, that these three boys point the finger at the two former guys or indicated that it might have been them. That’s why the arrests were made on them.
Julia Renfro
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/15/aruba.arrests/index.html
June 15, 2005
Renfro said police arrested the black guards “because the three boys pointed their fingers at these two security guards, and they couldn’t leave that out of the loop.
tHe problem I have with this is that ……#19…..How do we know that person represents aruba?I would not put it past r or whoever….to say that person speaks for all arubans..Someone childish said that.While i DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR camaign against Aruba and I frequently defend the island against your criticisms(usually censored), There is a line I do not cross and people here cross it everyday.(devils island rotting in hell blah blah)how do you expect people to react when you trash their homeland every day for almost 2 years?
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Time: January 5, 2007, 6:52 pm
Note to readers: I’m posting this on behalf of Phil Chroniger.
Upon review of my own comments, a re-checking of facts, and a bit of a “cooling-off” period, I have decided to make a few statements clear.
First, although I am sure that my comments have come nowhere near the ears of the Twitty and Holloway families, I would like to publicly extend my long-felt condolences towards them for the death of their daughter. The life taken of any innocent person is a tragedy. I also apologize for passing judgment upon your daughter. I did not know her, and my judgment was based upon those I know with similar backgrounds and lifestyle descriptions.
Secondly, I would like to apologize to Chris Graham, for having put him in the position of defending his decision to place my personal column out there, and I would also like to thank Mr. Graham for sticking his neck out there and defending my right to an opinion.
Next, I would like to personally condemn anyone who threatened physical or any other kind of harm towards Chris Graham, myself, any other person involved. This does not solve anything. If you feel that abusing an editor and a columnist is necessary, take it elsewhere. I will not tolerate it. If you want to send me abusive and threatening messages, send them directly to me in an e-mail. Just to let you know, I most likely read it and ignore it, as I feel threatening people physically over the internet is as useful as arguing with a fence post.
I want to state that, despite the majority of comments at The New Dominion, that my opinions are shared by a much larger group of people than it appears, as I have seen my statements pop up in several blogs and websites, with rousing numbers of support for those thoughts…so to say that I am coming out of left field with these statements would be untrue and unfounded. There are many good, honest, decent people out there who share the opinion that I speculated upon.
I would also like to apologize to my readers. Most of my readers, and those who know me personally, know my penchant for bringing up various statements and backing them with verifiable facts. My factual errors were due to haste (I wrote the whole mini-column in 20-25 minutes), and partially due to different sources providing different “facts”, or spins on facts. Most of my columns take hours of research, then about a 2 hours of writing at minimum.
Do I think that Ms. Holloway refused to exercise good judgment in her final hours, I think it is safe to say so. Was she under the influence of narcotics, alcohol, or other substances? We’ll probably never know for sure, and we can only speculate. I feel that many of you took my statements out of their intended context. This is partially my fault, as I may not have clearly stated the intention of the words within the column. It is also partially the reactionary nature of those who feel a deep sensitivity towards this particular topic.
I would like it to be known that I am not some odious, cold-hearted man. I have a family of my own, who I love and care about more than anything. I intend to leave a legacy behind, through both my attempts to raise a family and my writings I leave for you, the public, to read.
I just wish that my less-extreme, more thoughtful opinions and insights would have been what brought so many people to The New Dominion, and not such a non-conventional blurb.
Thank you, and God bless.
- Phil Chroniger
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Tell it dennisintn!
The still just don’t get it. When these punks killed Natalee they killed their American tourism.
For the first time EVER Aruban’s had to answer for their arrogant and or criminal behaviour and they’re bucking it hard. These people actually think this is going to go away, like it did in previous years before the media & before the internet. When they could easily wait out relatives, friends ect of a person that *went missing* on Aruba due to financial reasons they were forced to go home without them.
What happened? They posted an apology on the internet while Ma and Pa Kettle are at home, reading the newspaper thinking that Natalee is a loose teenager and her mom is a racist from Alabama.
He needs to write THAT apology, plus a rewrite IN the paper.
Let Ma and Pop know the truth.
#62:
You know what?? I have always tried to not generalize the whole island of Aruba as “evil”. There have been several posters here from Aruba that have caring hearts and realize what has lead to their home’s bashing. BUT, I have to say that the ENTIRE island is now just as bad as the perps and those who covered this mess up. I say that because they are complicit by default by not standing up and DEMANDING their government come clean. I see no grass-roots group standing up and demanding justice. If their island is STILL suffering — it is their own damn faults.
Its not like we didn’t warn Aruba that we would make good on our promise to boycott the island if they kept up this glaring coverup.
Phil Chroniger states
“I want to state that, despite the majority of comments at The New Dominion, that my opinions are shared by a much larger group of people than it appears, as I have seen my statements pop up in several blogs and websites, with rousing numbers of support for those thoughts…so to say that I am coming out of left field with these statements would be untrue and unfounded. There are many good, honest, decent people out there who share the opinion that I speculated upon.”
I did not realize that a large rousing number of bloggers are on other websites and have the same thoughts as Phil Chroniger does about Beth and Natalee. Where are these bloggers and websites located at so we can join in? I guess he did not realize how many of us are out there caring for what happens to the Holloway family and getting the truth about what happened to Natalee. He still does not get it! This journalist, Phil Chroniger, needs the facts sent to him. Can anyone do this so this so he is educated about all the Natalle Holloway facts?
Yeah almost 2 whole years of Aruban’s NOT getting to play their little AMBUSH RAPE GAMES on female tourists like they used to. NOW Thats gotta be cramping the ratfaced and pimplehead’s style isn’t it? HAHAHA
TO F’n bad Aruba. You asked for it & you’re getting it!
Great comment Patti! Phil says his opinion is reflects the opinion of many others, well now he can go tell them the truth! They have been forming opinions based on what they hear from Aruba supporters, not based on facts and truth.
After the smoke clears, I’m gonna write him another letter, and another if that’s what it takes.
Ignorance is not bliss.
People don’t need to go around with blinders on, that’s part of the reason that these things happen.
AND, if he is to call himself a columnist, putting out the truth is his job. The press is powerful, and no one should be a part of covering up the secret corruption that has victimized so many.
There should be public outcry for the things that were done to Natalee, Amy Bradley and countless others.
This does not surprise me a bit. Not only did they have to deal with the death of a daughter they both were on a second marriage and 60% of 2nd marriages fail. I wish both of them good luck in the future.
I’m sure that all the hate sites that have always bashed Beth and the Holloway Twittys are indeed applauding this idiot’s nonsense. Typical, isn’t it?
The guy to me sounds like a self-obsessed, self-important boor who thinks writing for some small-town paper nobody has ever heard of makes him some big wheel. His only concern is to whine repeatedly about how concerned he is, intermixed with inane ramblings.
The scum isn’t worth attention, in my opinion. Let him and Steve Yuhas, or whoever the other fool is, drink beer together and razz us. It’s obvious he doesn’t get the point … there’s a cover-up on Aruba. It’s directed against the family, and indirectly against us.
That simple, obvious point seems beyond the guy’s reach.
Getting back to what really matters … it’s improper for me to address the divorce issue, but I do hope that Jug and Beth will issue a joint statement reaffirming their unity on and dedication to getting a solution in Natalee’s case.
It should be totally unnecessary, but with scum like Chroninger floating around (never heard of him before, never will read his stuff), it might be prudent. Otherwise people will start reading things into this.
#67, mayan, they just thought we were lying, like they always do. they just don’t understand us any more than arlene tells us we don’t understand their legal system.
dennisintn
I still want to know where are these so called bloggers websites that share the same opinion as Phil Chroniger about Beth and Natalee. My gut instinct is he made it up.
Maggie: It was 151 proof rum not 75 proof.
If Joran and the Kalpoes had been real men that fateful night,
they would have taken Natalee safely back to her hotel room.
What about THEIR judgment? They had a choice about the way they could treat Natalee.
Instead of acting like men, they acted like punks.
You could be right dennisintn. Some would come here & say Americans have a short memory & would forget about Natalee soon. I don’t know where they got that idea but you’d think after almost 2 years they’d see its not going to happen with Natalee. We won’t forget how they treated Natalee & the family and we damn sure won’t forget who hurt her!
Miss-underestimated,
Re: Post #17:
I completely agree! I had never considered your point that even Anita implied that getting in the car with her son and his friends was dangerous! She probably wanted to say, in general terms, that getting into a car with “strangers” was foolish. But your careful observation reveals Anita’s admission that Joran and his friends were potential trouble for a young, female tourist! How sad to secretly recognize your own child as a potential danger to another human being! No wonder they had Joran living in a separate apartment on the property! The family probably slept better and coped better with Joran out of the house!! The family knew Joran was a juvenile delinquent. But they loved him and wanted to protect him - and his father’s legal position - in their island community.
I am so very, very sorry to hear about Jug and Beth Twitty’s impending divorce. They appeared to have a loving, caring relationship when this whole mess started, I hope there may still be a chance for them. I personally don’t know how parents can even survive the disappearance of a child, that has always been my worst nightmare. I can’t imagine the strain it would put on a marriage. It’s just very sad.
Game shows & travel agencys really for their own good NOT give away or promote Aruba as a vacation destination. Don’t tell me that if someone won the trip as a prize on some game or talk show and that person *VANISHES* while on that trip that the dame or talk show would be named as codefendants in a civil suit. They are just opening their wallets & saying help yourself to my money. Can’t you see it? When asked IF they heard about Natalee Holloway, if they knew of the danger there and thousands of American’s writing them & saying “DON”T DO IT” they do it anyway. You darn right they can & would be named as negligent.
Happens everyday & i don’t think juror’s would rule in favor of any game or talk show who sent more American’s to get hurt in Aruba.
Never hurts to remind them.
Big Lou this is what I was refering to.. 75 proof alcohol content.
Bacardi 151, or “151″ as it is sometimes called, is an exceptionally high proof rum. The 151-proof liquor is approximately 75.5% alcohol by volume, and is sometimes referred to as “overproof rum” because of the high level of alcohol
Come on Jug, don’t do it.
Maggie: Right, it is 75.5% alcohol. That is 151 proof NOT 75proof. 75 proof would be 37.5% alcohol.
kata: Jug is doing what he has to do. Beth is doing what she has to do. Beth wants to find answers. This takes her away from the home. Jug like myself needs a wife who is close by. Right now Beth can’t be that person. This outcome was inevitable.
Phil was just trying to cover his collective ass when he stated that he had support from other blogs. He has no support, zero, unless it is the piss-ant Aruban contingent of five we see pop up here from time to time.
This guy is a loser, he has no support, he is just another bullsh*tter that calls himself a journalist. Hopefully these papers that carry his column will see him for the sham of a hack writer he is and will drop him like a hot potatoe.
Beth and Jug, together or separate, deserve peace, joy, and love. I pray that both of them find it.
#50. If the guards stole items from the MB students, why weren’t they charged, prosecuted or jailed for the theft?
Sad news! Justice for Natalee! Is it possible? Vicki E.
Lil Puma, good point, it is well documented in the media that they found nothing at the guards’ homes that had anything to do with Natalee. This was simply a Dutch ploy to buy more time for their perpertrators.
Desiree is trying to rewrite history with that famous lying aruban tongue. Won’t work beotch!
My thoughts and prayers are with Beth and Jug at this difficult time. The stress of losing a child has destroyed many marriages and not knowing what happened to Natalee must be unbearable.
You can read about Phil here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Chroniger
Interesting stuff. He is actually in his twenty’s, is part Dutch, dropped out of college and started his writing career on myspace. It shows. Hope he doesn’t quit his day job.
I’m very sorry to hear about the breakup. Beth reminds me alot like John Walsh in puttng her effort to help prevent others falling into the same fate as Natalee.
I hope one day someone will break under the stress of what they really did to Natalee. The family needs closer!
It still haunts me these boys can get away with so much without being charged one crime.
Jug did everything he could to find Natalee & photo’s of he & Beth during that time portrayed a good man who was so upset about Natalee & what it was doing to Beth. Thats bad enough but Aruba compounded the hurt & strain once they spread lies about Jug, insinuating the most hurtful things, just heaping more twisted lies & pain the likes i’ve Never seen.
From what i’ve seen Jug is a good guy & unless i learn otherwise he is/was a victim here too.
Part Dutch … it figures.
Anyway, the worm probably revels in the denunciations he gets, just like that Steve Yuhas character. Not worth it.
TO BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY:
Beth, I can relate to the pain you are probably having right now, on top of the ongoing pain with the disappearance of Natalee. I have to say Jug is a man and that’s the way most men are! I don’t know you two personally, and I don’t know if you two were having any problems before Natalee’s disappearance, but it’s too bad Jug couldn’t try to keep the marriage together, (if that is what you would prefer)and help you through this a little longer. Unless, of course, it had anything to do with infedelity. If this divorce does end up going through, maybe we can play matchmaker and match you up with maybe your attorney….or (probably not so good a choice since he has kids from his new marriage and he is still married)but maybe a remarriage to Dave Holloway, since you now have so much more in common and have a common cause in looking for answers for Natalee and for other missing children in this country. (Sorry Robin). Anyway, I have been through a couple divorces myself and in the long run…..you might be better off single! Beth, you are a brave, couragious, intelligent, caring, good-looking female who can make it the rest of the way without a man!! I hope the best for you Beth that this divorce doesn’t take a huge toll on you. KEEP YOUR HEAD HELD HIGH AND GO FORWARD. We are all here for you and pray that you find answers in everything that has transpired in the last 1 1/2 years including this break-up. You are in my thoughts daily. Do take Care.
PEACE FOR NATALEE!!
#84 Big Lou…I dissagree that their split was inevitable.
Life is full of changes and we are called to adjust from our previous normal lifes to the challenges that are presented to us. Fair or not fair, Jug had a choice. A choice to support Beth in a unconditional loving way as a husband should. She needed him to be there for him as she has been walking through her healing process and making a difference in the world. He chose not to be there.
Sure she traveled. Their lifestyle changed but Jug did not
want to give up his comforts of life.
He had to be alone while she traveled. Well there are thousands of single people who are alone Jug and really know what lonliness can feel like…too bad you were not more giving, understanding and patient with Beth, your wife, If you would have stuck it out, good times and bad, this probably would have made your marriage stronger in the end because you gave unselfishly. It is too easy to quit and give up because you feel you are not getting enough attention.
#98- Sharon, lets not be to hasty judgeing either side. Noone knows what is going on in their house but them and God. I feel their pain, all of them and I can only pray that this never happens to another person.That a child goes anywhere and just vanishes and the parents never know what happened. Thats why I say that EVIL rules Lieruba, and as long as it does we wont get closure. Someone over there need to come clean and tell and get some peace of mind. May God continue to watch over both families and give them some comfort and peace.I will go one step further and ask God to come into the hearts of those that do know and maybe they will tell.Amen.
I have touched on this before, but reading Phil’s latest message, I feel so strongly that he is somehow funded by Aruba. Why else would he be so proud that his “OPINIONS” are now showing up on many message boards and gaining support?
Devil Island didn’t seem to have accomplished much with expensive TV ads, perhaps they think this is the cheaper way to go.
I attribute everything dirty to that so called upper crust(the Dutch) on that hellhole of an island.
Good morning all……chris
You know, I’ve been thinking about Beth and Jug’s divorce, and maybe it isn’t the tragedy for them that it seems. Sometimes people do simply grow apart, and when that happens, maybe it’s in both their best interests to go their separate ways. Before Natalee disappeared, they were an average family. Beth had a career that kept her close to her home and family. After Natalee’s disappearance, Beth became a focus of media, not of her own accord, but through circumstance. Now, in order to bring some element of goodness out of sorrow, Beth travels the country on behalf of the foundation. All this has surely changed her from the quiet wife and mom that she was only a couple of years ago. Perhaps she and Jug now both need their space in order to keep growing in a new direction. I wish them both the very best in their future.
Sharon & Sheri - what a bunch of crap you two are saying. Maybe Jug felt his obligation was to stay at home and take care of their son Matt!! Maybe he felt he needed to put some food on the table, pay the bills, attended his sons sporting events, etc…You don’t know.
Typical of bitter divorced women - always the man’s fault. What a load!!
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SM: Matt is not their son, Matt is Beth and Dave’s son. Just wanted to make sure you were clear on that. (klaasend)
BT, thanks for seeing the rainbow through the clouds. I love your positive perspective!! I pray that Beth and Jug get through this OK!!
Sad news, but We have some good news.
Stormloop op vakanties naar Antillen
Translation:
Rush on Hollidays to Aruba (Antillen). All time high, a record!!Because of the low rate of the dollar, and more airlines flying to the Antillen
Uitgegeven: 6 januari 2007 10:45
AMSTERDAM - Nederlandse toeristen hebben de Antillen weer in hun hart gesloten. Reisbureaus in Nederland maken melding van een stormloop op vakanties naar de Caraïbische eilanden. Reisonderneming TUI, waartoe reisbureaus behoren als Arke en Holland International, noemt Curaçao zelfs ‘de grote topper’ van de nauwelijks begonnen boekingsperiode, meldt het Antilliaans Dagblad zaterdag.
De verkoop van vakantiereizen is deze week met het verschijnen van de nieuwe reisgidsen meteen goed op gang gekomen, zegt directeur Will van den Hoogen van D-Reizen in de krant. “Het is drukker dan ooit.” Vergeleken met vorig jaar rond deze tijd hebben zijn reisbureaus tien procent meer boekingen.
De toenemende populariteit van de Nederlandse Antillen als vakantiebestemming hangt samen met de relatief lage koers van de Amerikaanse dollar en het grotere aanbod van vliegtuigstoelen.
correction - Maybe Jug felt his obligation was to stay home and take care of HER son Matt.
@damned:
I think Curacao and Bonaire are up but ARUBA is down.
Aruba is not even part of the Antilles.
Folks, it’s not for us to try to second-guess what Jug and Beth should have done, or should do. I’m sad at the news, but hope that these two adults, who have had to endure so much, have done what they think is the wisest move for them.
And let’s give especial mental support to Matt, whose young life has been wracked by turmoil such as few of us have ever had cause to experience, or (Deo volente) ever will.
As I said before, I hope that Jug will make a public statement about his unwavering support for Beth and her determination to find answers and justice for Natalee. Anything short of that would be positively indecent.
But they all have my support (big deal, I know), which includes the freedom to handle problems as they see best.
I want to join the Monkeys in expressing my sadness and resignation for these news but I saw it coming. Even though for some weird reason I don’t worry too much about it, I feel if Natalee is found she will bring them back together.
I do not give that much power to Aruba and none of you should either. A mother in pain is more determined and powerful than the best of gladiators.
To Beth and Jug I send you a loving hug, much needed support from your family, friends and peers and that both of you seek the happiness you deserve (to the best of your ability).
Aruba needs to learn their lesson or another one will be missing. Then let’s see what sort of excuses you can come up with. I still roll my eyes when I am standing in line and I hear of someone mentions they returned from vacation in Aruba, or a friend of theirs. Even though there are unfortunate tragedies that occur in Puerto Rico at least they are blessed with American backup (you surely have heard of them Aruba, an organization called FBI???) if needed.
I suggest to Beth to travel to CA and seek Lisa Williams for assistance with this situation. Visit her site, on http://www.lisawilliamsmedium.com, or http://www.lifetimetv.com.
whytegirl - Nice to see you! I’ve missed you in the forum …
I, too, would like to express my deepest sympathy and support for the Holloway and Twitty families. Divorce is a very hurtful thing and none of us are ever better off. Our families are ripped apart and cut to the core.
My heart goes out to all of you, Beth, Jugs and Matt, as well as the extended families. This is a very difficult time for you and my only advise would be to follow your heart and continue to stick together and continue to love one another in spite of the differences.
Divorce is a private matter. It must be horrible to have us all, including me, with a looking glass, peering into your private lives. We don’t belong there.
You have our continued support and our prayers are with you.
Justice for Natalee
I blame Aruba for the divorce, too - I can’t help but wonder if this case was over and solved by now, would there be as much strain on Beth’s marriage? I rather doubt it- but then again I wouldn’t piss on any Aruban if they were on fire.
Not until the Aruban people do the right thing and oust the MEP in favor of an honest, competent government.
Dan in Texas:
I agree. Oduber is not only a disgrace in the case of Natalee Holloway, he is a disgrace to all humanity. Imagine… threatening your own people with millitants over demonstrations, strikes and the price of bread.
How do we get The Netherlands and our own country to acknowledge the fact that they have a problem in Aruba, especially, when Oduber has such a strong hold on everything that his people do.
It is up to the people of Aruba to stand up and speak their minds. All they would have to do is cry out for help. But, over and over, all we see, here at the Scared Monkeys site, is an island of people that appear to hate us for having the guts to criticize.
Aruba: We are making a stand against the corruption that keeps your homeland, your beautiful island, in a state of confusion. We want justice for our Natalee, as well for you and your children.
We are as tired as you are of this dirty, rotten governmnet that reeks with the stench of corruption.
Boycott, Aruba… or else
{{{Desiree}}}
So Now It Is An Ipod ???
Your Friend RenHo Was Certain It Was A Digital Camera ???
Wasn’t It Proven That This Was A Load Of Crap ???
This Was “PLANTED” At Mickey John’s House When They
Went In Like Cowboys And Raided It -
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Looks Like Chroniger Is The New Refs King
Taco: You Will Have To Step Down
Did Anyone Notice Who Sent Chroniger A Letter of Support ?
“RoseMarie” Taco’s Faithful Pitbull ?
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Big Lou -
Make That A Shot Of 151 With A Topper of GHB !
p.s.
I Agree With Patti
Divorce Is A Private Matter And Should Remain As Such
Anyone Who Is Married Has Probably Considered Divorce
(or murder/lol) a Time Or Two…
All Things Happen For A Reason
Amen #116 NyChiC..
I have always liked Jug. He had these people figured out in just a few days in Aruba. I can bet also, that in no way does he wish any less than before, for justice for Natalee. Matt’s not some little child who needs 24, 7 care and I am sure he’s every bit the honorable child Natalee was.
You can say anything you want about Beth, it won’t stop her. She’s already suffered the worst hurt any parent can suffer.She lost the only daughter she had and wants her back to have a place to pay her respects to her. I remember Jug saying on a news program, if he knew the cops weren’t going to search the Kalpoes car the first night all of them went to the VDS, they would’ve blocked the car and searched it themselves.
When Karin Jansen said you can’t just go in there like cowboys, she should have finished the sentence. You can’t just go in there like cowboys, unless they are 2 black security guards. Wake them up at dawn, put their face on the news, search their homes and take them in. Joran’s dad escorted Joran to the police, which they were notified ahead of time, they wanted to talk to him. ALl of 3 of them knew ahead of time and went to the police station. Not one got a wake up call before dawn, by having cops beating on your door and searching the place and hauling them in. The last ones seen with her. The cops knew when they arrested the 2 guards that Natalee never returned to the Holiday Inn from the tape. Yet they were treated like the criminals while the ones last seen with her were getting together making up more stories, meeting with the father,family, hiring lawyers, using email and computers to get their alibis and walking around free. Just like all innocent people would do.
btw Chroniger has a good name, because he is a chronic a…
Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway filed a civil suit against Dutch descent Joran Van der Sloot and …. then they filed a civil suit against Indian descent Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
Race Card??? Which race???
If the race card is being played …. it is being dealt by the “powers that be” in Aruba as well as those who participated in the events that encompass the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.
It was revealed on June 2, 2005 by Natalee’s Uncle, Paul Reynolds, that security cameras had confirmed that his niece had not been returned to the Holiday Inn entrance/lobby as Joran, Deepak and Satish had stated in official witness statements. In other words ….. the Holiday Inn account which implicated a BLACK security had been fabricated. Nevertheless, on June 5, 2005 two BLACK security guards were detained while the lying son of a DUTCH judge and his friends remained free for another five days.
lol #118 Maggie! I thought the same thing!
This is amazing, I can’t believe there are people out there who are so cold!
Below is from the message board at http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31
Comment from Peg
Time: January 6, 2007, 12:56 pm
Seems like you’ve been attacked by a bunch of folks that have no life other than the trolling the internet Natalee Holloway case. Most of them probably aren’t from GA and just came here as a result of the Scared Monkey site. They will respond en mass any time any issue is raised about the actions of St. Natalee or St. Beth. Please know that there are are many people, who agree with you, we just have a life and don’t all have the time to troll the intenet for every Natalee article out there. At this point, most people in this country actually would say Natalee who? My advice to you just not bother responding to these folks, it just eggs them on.
Good Luck to you and keep opining.
above is copied from http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31 message board
Maggie -
That Is So True About Jug -
You Could Tell He Knew Exactly What Was Going On
Just By Listening To The Early Interviews -
I Am Just Sorry Jug Did Not Start Kickin Ass & Takin Names
The Minute He Set Foot On That Stinkin Island -
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to Dan in TX:
Speaking of Piss In Aruba -
Has Anyone Ever Had Their National Beer Balashi ?
Should Be Called Balashit As Far As I’m Concerned -
Has Got To Be The Worst Of Any Island Beer - Ever !
(Much Rather Have A Banks In Barbados or Kalik in Bahamas)
What day did the news media arrive in Aruba….and which network got there first & actually broke the news?
mayan -
I arrived there on June 10, 2005 and FOX News Had
Already Been There At The Marriott Since June 1st
(Geraldo Was Leaving and Greta Was Arriving)
CNN Crew Were Staying At The Holiday Inn But
I Noticed Them And The Current Affair Crew Spending
Lots of Time At The Marriott Casino Bar At Night -
I rather have an OV in Canada.
Wow nychic you were there on June 10, how long did ya stay?
I didn’t know Geraldo was there that early, i was at a cabin when the story broke & missed the first 10 days after
they led Natalee our of C&C’s. I’d really like to see the interview where Paul is sweating a river with Beth near.
Once i did hear of Natalee i’ve followed her case closely. I knew in my gut the first day i saw em on Foz that they (Arubans) should be watched closely, my instinct told me not to trust em.
#101 — I agree with you . I too feel strongly that this little article was generated by Aruba — and/or some of their cronies!!! The man said he researches carefully his other articles…. and then comes up with this article that he says he wrote in 25 minutes??? If he didn’t research it — then he talked to someone who asked him to write that article and “gave him the facts”. If he wasn’t being paid off he wouldn’t have got so uppity about it when people told him he didn’t have all the facts. — He also wants to ignore that this case is no longer just about a “missing girl” — it involves the safety of travelers to other countries that pretend to be safe for tourists.
He then stated that all of people who wrote to him are from scared monkeys — and then he dengrades the scared monkey’s site. Well, hello — other websites were interested in getting the facts out about Natalee — does he think that all people forget the things they have read?????? Just because Scared Monkeys are the most loyal, vocal and continues to hang in there — doesn’t mean that they are the only people who believe that this missing person’s case should be treated with dignity!!!!
Frankly, he stated that others from different websites are writing to back him up — well I’ll just bet the websites are (1.) mainly Aruba generated… whether from Aruba herself, or by “interested parties” that have a financial gain regarding Aruba. (2.) from the perp’s themselves or their families (3.) People who agree with the mindset that it is alright to pick out a young girl to rape. Her death that way becomes her own fault and she deserves it.
For all we know, this one guy is writing comments on his own Web site under 50 names. What makes him important?
He’s proven to be scum … that’s all that we need to know.
I said the minute i read it that it sounded like one of those dimwit arubans wrote it. hahaha
It was soooooo fricken obvious!
(((MSMARPLE))), (((KLAAS))) and all the Monkeys! I never left you, I am still here, only FP following the news. My brother in law got sock monkey slippers for Christmas and I wanted to take ‘em, maybe I will end up getting them because the gift was a joke for his insane fear of sock monkeys when he was a kid.
I also post on the Prophecies forum where there is a 94-page long thread of psychics, mediums and everybody that wants to help on the Natalee case. There is another monkey and me, I cross-reference whenever possible so they know what’s going on.
mayan -
That Sweaty Interview May Still Be In The FOX News
Archives ? We Used To Have A Search Option Here On
The FP - I Suppose There Is A Good Reason Why It Is
No Longer Available ?
Yes, I Was In Aruba At That Time - Saw Beth After One
Of The False Alarms On The Beach - Very Sad To Witness -
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Richard - Yes, You Are Correct:
That Idiot Is Not Worth Our Time
Karin Jansen is leaving the island soon and the KLPD in Holland will have the independant research done soon as I heard . So, let’s hope there will be some good developments to bring peace to everyone. I love monkeys, they are fast, naughty, funny but also stupid. Don’t take this too personal.I am a monkey myself.
mm Fox were the first ones arriving on June 1.Jodi Bearman my good friend , called them immediately after Beth arrived.
Would be great if they would do this for all missing people!
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SM: Yeah, I am sure being called stupid would not be taken personal at all.
Actually stupid would be destroying one’s tourism over the cronyism. That would probably be a better definition.
R
Hi red, you are sure doing some Monkey damage control, sleep well and have a good night. Luv yu
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SM: Damage control? ha ha ha ha…sound more like what you are doing (klaasend)
It doesn’t matter how you slice or dice or analyze what can be proven or what is fact — Joran VanDerSloot is responsible for the death of Natalee Holloway.
I wish nothing but the worst for this animal and his family. The VanDerSloots are the Butchers of Aruba.
Thanks nychic…i’ll look for it on Fox website.
I agree IndyDan #134…..VanDerSloots…..or probably commonly known as VDS - venereal disease!!
Or “very dumb scum”.
#116 NYCHIC, to borrow a line from Chris rock comedy bit,
“If you have never practiced your alibit in the mirror, you’ve never been in love….If you never read the directions on the back of a rat poison box, you ain’t never been in love….”
Anyway, this is a private matter, and let us hope they can get their personal lives back on track for the sakes of themselves. Other than hollyweird, no divorce I know is painelss.
I guess there are still people out there that think we should just not care about getting answers about what happened to Natalee Holloway. How can people say that Natalee’s story is played out and we should just move on!
Below is copied from http://thenewdominion.com/?p=31 message boardComment from Steve
Time: January 6, 2007, 8:03 pm
While I have not yet read Mr. Chroniger’s piece (I wish I had the link to it) I must say that his mission is accomplished because he has managed to raise emotions of many readers. For that, I would like to congratulate him.
While I feel bad for the Holloway family, I believe it was time long ago to move on from this played out story.
moons: I might be wrong but I don’t think that interview was ever taped. Paulus would not let cameras in his house. Greta and Beth just told us what he said and that he was sweating badly.
ahh okay thanks Big Lou, you must be right coz i can’t locate it.
There has to be an archive of him sweating like a pig. I saw it and was convinced from that time on that he(Paulus) was definitely involved. I’ll never forget the sight of him.
Hey mayan_moons - the interview was shown on TV. Taken at a table in the Sloots place with Anita and Paulus. Anita looked stunned and Paulus had to keep mopping his face as he was sweating like a pig (I will leave that comment alone) Then he rushed off to answer the telephone but came back to the interview. The redesigned Fox website is a PIA but did you go to Greta’s blog and search in the archives there? This is a different interview than the one with Beth, Greta and Anita where Anita described to Beth all the details of Natalee’s underwear and other personal details and Greta said she was so embarrassed having to listen to the conversation. I haven’t had a chance to search the site myself yet but this may help you. Pardon my manners : Good morning ~ it is 6.30 am Mon here
The archive would be under her blog which you would have to scroll sideways to locate in that section, and not in the videos section which is first on the site
According to this article from Bon Dia Aruba …. NBC was the first news team to arrive in Aruba.
GETAGRIP TRANSLATION
Bon Dia Aruba
12/31/2005
The news reached the U.S. and for the 1st of June, there were already in the news of some important web sites. T