RSSLets work together to Find Natalee
Today we had two of our favorite bloggers comment on our coverage of the Natalee Holloway disappearance. Michelle Malkin take a swing at those of us who are covering the Natalee Holloway disappearance, while Rusty who gives us a nudge in a tongue and cheek way. I have a few observations that are very relevant to why we turned our world upside down.
First, a blog is a very personal expression of what we believe in. I never have said to Michelle Malkin, please stop writing about any topic she is covering. That would be rude. So I am thinking that Michelle’s sniping at us it fairly rude also. We are not doing this for our own edification. We are doing this for the Holloway and Twitty families, and the people of Aruba
Since our purposes for covering Natalee’s disappearance have been called into question, maybe answering these questions may help.
Why did we post on it? Red lived down in Aruba and knows the situation.
Why did we continue? We found that we were helping a family in need. We were able to get information through the blog swarm that helped add to the story.
Did we ever dream we would go wall to wall with the story? Never, but once we got into it, and had the opportunity to participate in helping the family, get them information that otherwise never would have been uncovered. we sure as hell would not stop.
Do we like the traffic? Yes, but we would also be doing it if only 1000 people we reading us. We have a forum that has over 1000 members, who we are providing leadership to. We also are talking to other TV networks and people on the ground in Aruba and Birmingham sending new information that we are receiving.
So is this just an ego play? No, we had to make some tough decisions to keep putting the pressure on as we have. And as we pray that Natalee is found, we would be remiss to pull out now to cover other stories.
So when someone you respect essentially calls you out, and says you are doing this for ratings, it causes hurt and disappointed. Michelle, if this story hit you as hard as immigration has, would you blog it? That is how we feel about it. So please do not knock us, the blogosphere is a very large place. Many stories are covered top to bottom, however, we have found something that allows us to make a difference right now.
When we get emails from family and friends of Natalee thanking us for our efforts and to be strong, we take heart in that.
When we have people in Aruba thanking us for telling the truth about their island, and being fair about it, we take heart in that.
When we work hand in hand with other bloggers, (Riehl World View, The Political Teen, HyScience, and The Dark Side), to make sure that we are as accurate as possible and as empathetic to all parties as possible, we take heart in that.
Then new bloggers such Two Babes and a Brain who have come to our defense, because she could be anyones daughter.
So it is not about the Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome or Ratings in TTLB.
It is about doing the right thing. Part of me would love to get 8 hours sleep at night, but if I feel that Red and I are making a difference, we will live on 3 hours without complaint.
And to the many people that are helping Red and I out on this site, such as Admins RB, Absolut, and Cat. and our posters and people who are helping us out by commenting and calling and writing:
You have our thanks. Our very sincere thanks.
Tom and Red
Scared Monkeys Update: We would like to personally thank Michelle Malkin for taking the time to personally email both Tom and I discussing the issue. This is something she did not have to do and we thank her for doing so.
(From Michelle Malkin)
Update IV: I think my post has been completely misconstrued. The gentlemen at Scared Monkeys interpret my comments as “sniping” when all I was doing was politely observing that, despite my own misgivings, their work is finding a large audience. One of the Scared Monkeys’ commenters requests that someone “bitch slap” me for my post.
Crikey.
Dan Riehl has a much more thoughtful response here. As I’ve let all these gentlemen know, I wish them continued success with their blogs and will continue to read them with interest.
As Michelle stated in her email to us, “I wish you continued success and will continue to read your good work!
Very best,
Michelle
We would say the same to Michelle and let it be water under the bridge and let us both get on to blogging. Thank you Michelle for the kind words.
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306 Responses to “Lets work together to Find Natalee”
Let’s get it started.
Don’t let a couple bad apples make you think twice guys.
Hey Friends:
Had trouble posting for a while glad to see you here! Tom told me the site is nailed with traffic!
pk, jake, kris, ally, kat – it’s time to come back now.
Tom & Red – Grandma always told me “the bit dog will bark” – don’t worry ’bout little minds – keep up the good work
Oh there is something wrong with Michelle, she probably thinks Natalee should be interned.
It’s good and beneficial work being done here
While the site was down, I read at Riehl that Aruba girl posted that she knows someone that saw the Kalpoes driving at an unusal part of the island at 2:00 am. Also read that Sr. Sloot managed in Holland to keep a highway from going through his house for twenty years because of his intense knowledge of the law – what does everyone think about these two items.
Bon tardi everybody! I got 15 in between to read up on everything…
Checkme – have heard rumours of more arrests coming today – have you heard anything?
HI guys— I missed you. I did set up a profile, so if I can’t get in here again I can go to the discussion forum. Red was kind enough to tell me about that area.
Did I miss anything???
CRS, I think that info about Kalpoes by now is too late to be verified. About mr vdS and the highway he stopped, sounds like a Bronkovich think to me.
CRS:
I was just reading some background on PVDS and his remarkable intelligence in terms of tying governments hands in legal deals, his extensive knowledge of loopholes involving legal cases and he usually represents defendants. He held up the govmt of Holland for 20 years from building a highway that would have possibly torn his house down my eminent domain. The government eventually built the highway elsewhere!
Joran is known for being a womanizer and preys on beautiful blondes! He is arrogant, spoiled and boasts of his dads power and his lifestyle! Many have reported that he also has a fierce temper.
If they hart NH…she didn’t stand a chance. I want NH’s family to get to the truth of the matter! It’s long overdue!
CRS, it is awfully quiet here, except for the PM blabbering something dangerous on the radio today.
Hi Big Pappy–How is your day going?
I meant hurt NH not hart!
I am not into this story (Nat H.) at all, but keep upi the good work guys, you know you always have T Hawks support. You are 100% right about the Michelle/Immigration take in the post….I like MM, but I think you guys hit it on the head.
Do what you guys do…you do it well.
Kat – I read all that and found it very interesting- I think Senior SLoot is very shrewd.
Checkme,
What was the PM saying?
Kris – I can’t believe you and Jake started drinking so early today!!
Checkme, I think everyone is going home next Tuesday.
If Joran was on the bus at 6:40 a.m. and aced his exams, I am beginning to think that he didn’t do it. Joran may be a bad kid, but how could anyone get three hours sleep, kill a girl and then be on a bus at 6:40 and then ace his exams. He would have to be a cold blooded evil killer for that. Womanizing is one thing. Murder is another. Something is just not right.
PM was saying that “Arubans who have the country at heart sould be careful about what they say to the American Media”, or something to that effect. The word “Patriotic” was used numerous times. My hairs stood up straight when I heard him actually say that. Who is going to decide “what is good for the country”? Sounds to me that certain people will be hung to dry when they say the “wrong” thing… Island politics are now getting actively involved. Bad news.
Hey–it’s one of those days *hic*
I was worried I would miss happy hour when the boards went down.
Tom & Red – what you’re doing here is a good thing… don’t let little minds bother you. I’ve been reading on here every single day, it’s my one-stop update to the NH saga, I’ve sent an e-mail to the family, made contributions, etc… only because of the information that you’ve posted here and I’m absolutely certain that I’m not the only person who’s gotten involved because of your help!
Checkme,
Thanks. I hope that you are careful, would hate to see anything happen to you
Hi all! I have been reading posts for days, you are on it!
DFW – he may just be a very bad apple. i saw last night a case in canada where a woman and her husband raped and murdered two young girls. The wife actually put something in her sisters drink, let the husband rape her and then when she got sick from what they put in her drink she let her die. The reason – her husband wanted a virgin for christmas. There are a lot of sick people in the world.
Checkme,
Did you get the message from Ally?
I am quite sure they will be ordered to be released on Monday. Then the circus will start. Speculation, emotions, blame, possible repricussions… Attachment is the root of all evil.
monkeys….you rock…
blogs rock…
power to the people….
hi everyone…
I am new to this blog. I am stationed in Germany so don’t get much FOX except thru the internet. I am so behind all of you who created this blog, write to it, and provide introspective insight that can bypass all the shrouds that each and every government is so able to throw up. The shrouds are not all bad in that they can also protect….but blogs can get to the meat of the matter minus the extra layers…
I raise a toast to each and everyone listed above alike (as it is well past happy hour in europe lol)
has anyone heard from Ally yet? She seemed a little out of it last night after taking the prescribed Valium after her mugging.
DFW – I had the same thought last night when I heard he was on the bus and Aced the test. First time I ever thought – maybe he didn’t do it. Makes me wonder about the brothers.
Hi all……Perhaps the Lamb is just the Lamb??
I agree checkme, people thought it was crazy when sr. sloot was let go, wait till the three boys are let go. It does not look good.
Linda, to take it step further, Joran wouldn’t be bragging at school that he was with her if he killed her. He would be quiet. I am beginning to think it was the brothers or someone else.
Kris, you crack me up!!
Welcome Nurse!!!
Kris, why should I be careful?
Kris, I understand Ally had some fuzzy feelings last nite, prolly induced by the valium… I talk with her and ensure she stands on her 2 feet again. LOL
Daddy was sweating bullets when Beth and Greta showed up at the house. Most of us from the very beginning have place our bets on daddy, Joran, Deepak and Katish. Never second guess, you will usually go wrong. They are probably all hiding something and it totally stinks.
Why are the Kalpoes not singing LOUDER? This is troublesome! Does daddy VDS have the GOODS on the Kalpoe family that would put them to harm, ruin them etc…. Something really stinks here and I have a suspicion that the Aruban LE are protecting ALL INVOLVED and just want this to go away.
One thing they don’t understand is the HOLLOWAY’s and Twitty’s are NOT GOING ANYWHERE! They have a clear cut mission and this is to find Natalee! God Bless them!
Why are they now thinking that they should start questioning friends of Joran and the Kalpoes as reported on FOX? Questionable!
Hi Larry,
Did you get my message?
What about the brothers dropping her off at a “crack house” like the one brother hinted to..
Say they did drop J and NH off at the beach, then decided to go back and take her somewhere else, perhaps for sex. She got sick in the car, the boys got pissed and left her outside a crack house.
Would help to explain that their car was seen later that night–(I read that somewhere)
15 minutes are over… gttg, I’ll be back later tonite. Be there.
DFW – I agree – I really feel that we know absolutely nothing – thought we had a clue – but with so many lies – just leaves us at square one. Poor family.
I still feel that the Lamb took her to another hose and left her there
Kat – its like they say when you take a test, don’t change your original answer. I don’t like Jug much but he makes a good point when he says, if you didn’t do it, wouldn’t you have come out the next day to help try and find this girl.
Can someone please bitch-slap Michelle Malkin for us?
Someone suggested that if Joran was responsible for this, his father took care of it the next day. I don’t subscribe to the Joran did it theory, myself, for sev. reasons including the alleged lie detector test. If he did, it’s easy to see him separating himself from it *remember “What do you want ME to DO?” and blaming it on Natalee for going along with him. We see enough of that from some factions on here to not clearly see how he could detach and do the same.
Crs–why am I funny? Sorry I’ve missed something somewhere, perhaps to much to drink…
Cya checkme
they want to start questioning friends of kalpoes and urine (as a nurse I am loving that one) because friends talk to other friends…especially at that age and especially (sorry guys) self-absorbed boys like this.
One of them said something to a friend or multiple friends
it will increase their little web of lies and tear down any newly built alibis
perhaps because the polise do not believe them. It only takes one alibi breaker….
crs – that case that you’re referring to is extremely old…. and soooo incredibly twisted… did you know that the couple went on to become serial murderers? Also, that they were eventually busted by video tapes which they had hidden in their home of their crimes? Prime justification for the death penalty, IMHO
Nine days between last reported contact and arrest. Rumors of one of the Kalpoe brothers going to a car wash late at night (are these verified?). An admission early that “something bad happened,” yet no followup, or at least nothing released to the media.
I refuse to believe this is all investigators know. Either the scope is a bit bigger, or people are being protected. It seems highly unlikely that a month after her disappearance, nothing more substantial has surfaced from a contained community of under $100,000. Perfect crimes are nearly impossible to commit, especially by teenagers, especially among a small circle of interconnected people, especially on a smallish island.
Someone should compile a true/false list of allegations that have swirled here, like the carwash rumour, Joran’s boasting to classmates about sleeping with Natalee, whether or not the police chief is his godfather, whether Natalee’s friends have said she had contact with another local before Joran, etc. There are so many being bandied about that it would be helpful to know which have been verified and which are wild speculation or falsehoods that have gained credence in repetition.
Hi Nurse and Bond…welcome!
DFW: The answer is a big gangly psychopathic teenager! He can eat, sleep, ace a test and get drunk again after harming ANYBODY!
i heard last night about some cell phone records and text messages and the records show one of the brother surfing the net at 3am and j text mess him he was home
A smart girl is fascinated by the high rollers. With soul fest (and celebreties) there……….was there a private “high roller” party (at Marriot or HI) that night that Joran said he could get her into?? Maybe dad didn’t go home from casino but went to private “high roller” party…anything could be available there. Dirty Hands would look the other way………..
I meant under 100,000 without the $ symbol. Sorry for the confusion.
Micky John questioned only two days of the five days held, wonder if Joran and brothers are really being introgated daily? why did steve croes refer to one of the kalpoes as a client? more questions, more questions…..
DFW Guy,
You have to try to think from a different point of view. Me being a young person, I can get like, 1 hour of sleep and function….if I really had to. He could have also went right home from school after finals…because they usually only take up to 3 hours, and slept. He could have done something bad with her, got home, told daddy, and his father would make it a point for him to get up in 2 hours and get himself to school so nothing would look obvious, PVDS could have handled all the dirty work. Also, he could have been studying all week for his finals….he was only with her Sunday night…..
DFW Guy,
You have to try to think from a different point of view. Me being a young person, I can get like, 1 hour of sleep and function….if I really had to. He could have also went right home from school after finals…because they usually only take up to 3 hours, and slept. He could have done something bad with her, got home, told daddy, and his father would make it a point for him to get up in 2 hours and get himself to school so nothing would look obvious, PVDS could have handled all the dirty work. Also, he could have been studying all week for his finals….he was only with her Sunday night…..
I meant under 100,000 without the $ symbol. Sorry for the confusion.
yea i am with ya bond MORE QUESTIONS !! and they should ass whopthem boys till they tell what happen like they do here in NY
I think it is ridiculous that anyone could say that the only reason the Natalie Holloway case is anywhere is for ratings or publicity. Maybe it is covered on every channel…who cares, thats the media’s job to keep us informed. I think it is also important to note that this sort of thing does happen often and the more it is placed in the public eye, the more people will become aware of it. How many high schools take their seniors to Mexico or Aruba for “senior trip”? A ton! Its important for parents and travelers alike to be reminded of the dangers of traveling. I bet any senior trip from now on will be monitored more carefully. Regardless of the reason the story makes the news, I think it is still important that the media covers it. Yes, everyone knows a Natalie, and yes, many people can identify with this case. I understand that there are many missing persons cases, this case is different. It happened on a senior high school trip in a country where the laws are completely different. Anyone who says the coverage is purely for ratings is just arguing for attention. Unfortunately, they are not receiving the ratings that those who are actually doing some good and covering the story are, and I think that they are bitter because of it.
Now, if someone were actually arguing that the media is getting in the way of the case or investigation, that might be plausible, but ragging on media outlets for covering a story is just a waste of time as far as I am concerned. I think Scared Monkeys is doing a great job, and even if it comforts just one family member, thats one more thing than those who are whining about too much coverage are doing! Keep it up monkeys…I think y’all are great!
Hi everyone! I’m here!:)
hi country moon,
I think you are incredibly brave to be here. I am sorry for what you and your classmates have had to endure. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
In your opinion, has this blog helped formulate new “angles” that are viable? Did anyone in your group attend a rave while in country and if so, what was it like (as far as raves go is it a “raving” place….I was a teen in the 80s so we just liked to pour beer into bongs and do “keg-stands”)
oh yeah… DFW…about his acing his finals…he’s a judges son. Its obvious this country is already corrupt. He probably didnt even take his finals and they just gave him a good grade because of who he is. Kids like that dont study.
What have I missed? Is MOM passed out w/ Larry?
Jake—Hi there
What’s going on with the news–are they saying anything?
Yes I think they are partied out
My senses tell me cover-up & corruption, Greta & FOX are on the job exposing the lies!
I think Larry went to cut his grass. Hi Larry if you are there and hi Mom. It is nurse again
Alexis, the coverage might not be for ratings, but some of the stories being told is just to have a story. Do you think Fox or CNN will keep their journalists in Aruba if they have nothing new to report. So how do you get something new if nothing new is coming up, make up something that would sound interesting to your viewers!!! How many days can you stay in Aruba saying, nothing new happened today.
Ahhhhhhh Oyster, yet a perfect crime CAN be committed by someone deeply knowledgeable about the law and evidence tampering and “Poof” no trace of evidence especially if a PRO LIKE DADDY VDS had his dirty hands involved to help his ridiculously arrogant son! Folks…..nobody is getting out of jail yet! There would be an upheavel on the island!
Maybe the FBI could cut a deal with the brothers to put them in witness protection if they will spill the beans!
Kris-The guys I work with changed the channel on me and have the soccer game on!!! YUK…I’m back, so I’m now changing it to FOX, I’ll keep you posted!
remember deep throat??? The start of investigative journalism…. I think journalists do a lot more investigating than they are able to actually “report” on r/t due process
what’s the blood alcohol limit for partaking in blogging this afternoon?
**hiccup**
Just kidding! Who is ‘Michelle’ ?? I HATE not being able to watch Fox!
Hello Nurse. In all of our oppinions here the blog has definantly put into place some different points of view. Many people here have communications with our friends down in Aruba and with Mrs. Twitty. Everyone is constantly reminding her of all the possibilities and she is more than open to receiving any ideas as to where Nat is. That is why when we get on here we tell everyone keep posting everything you can think of. You all have no idea who is watching.
There is a lot of night activity on the island when we were down there. Clubs open with drinking and dancing into the early morning hours, and if you did not want to go back to the hotel, a beach open all night long, and a pool to lounge by with fellow friends.
Jake,
Thanks!!
Where is the site that I can go to on PVDS and son?
LOL @ Jake! Nope! Just weaved my way into here!
Hey there Nurse! Hi Kris
Hello Larry! Howdy, Country!
Welcome back MOM–
I did my own happy hour since the boards were down. Have you heard anything new?
Country-Can you clarify for us if Natalee’s father is an Insurance Agent, or does he work for the government, or both?
Howdy Ma!
MOM-Your a trip! You remind me of my mom!!!
Greta is on it! Greta got really famous initially from covering the entire OJ case. She was very insightful and conclusive and she predicted all during the trial after there was discovery of LAPD tampering of evidence that OJ would be acquitted! OJ is now enjoying life in FL with his kids playing golf!
Howdy Ma!
I have not, but I will say I saw the post that crs posted. Arubagirl posted on Riehl about the 2 bros. being seen driving their car in a ‘strange area’ that fateful nite @ 2:00am.
Anyone from Aruba in here, to comment? Sometimes, I think they may have more ‘detailed accounts’ that we, in the US, get later, or worse…….even never.
I think that the authorities should give greta a crack at them
Those boys will sing like little birdies..
OJ Lives right next to me! He sure is enjoying life!! I see him all the time! I remember Greta when she was covering the OJ case. She had an entire “face change” after that. She NOW looks great (compared to what she looked like before) Do you remember her Kat?
Jake:
Good gawsh! If MY mom knew I was enjoying happy hour, she’d say, “Well why the hell didn’t you invite me, ya dumb broad”. She is a hoot too. I guess there was no escaping the person that I have become
Jake~As we posted once before, we do not know for sure what Mr. Holloway does for a living, and none of us had ever asked Nat. We can for sure say thought that Mr. Twitty (Jug) owns his own business which deals with construction. So since we do not know for sure what Mr. Hollow does, we can not answer that. Sorry, we try to stick to the facts and answer questions as best as possible.
Curious:
I am for witness protection too! Somebody needs to cut a darn deal! This is ridiculous! NH’s mom will never.. ever forget memorial day!
No, I have to disagree about the coverage. I feel the networks, especially Fox, love the story for its sexually charged scandal and ratings bonanza. They depend on things like this, including shark attacks and routine hurricanes, to not only sensationalize but to distract the public from a war they propagandized from the getgo. It’s not going well, so keep the sheeple’s minds occupied with something else.
That being said, I still find it a compelling and tragic scenario — just not front-page, round-the-clock, national news. I’m sorry if that stance offends you, and you might think my interest in this blog makes me a hypocrite, but I remember when, just as opposition to Bush’s folly was at a peak, Fox placated us with Laci Peterson.
24-hour news channels are a horrible way to stay informed, and Fox is by far the worst.
Moon, I am so glad that the blog-o-sphere exists. When my friend was kidnapped and murdered when I was in second grade no one knew what was going on ever (early 70s) and they never found the person who did it (I grew up in dairy country). I truly believe that you will get more legit info out here in cyberspace than physically being in Aruba.
This is my bit to impart to you and to Nat’s family…and it is not much….but being an open heart nurse I have learned from all the wonderful docs that I have worked with over the years that you CALL A HORSE A HORSE NOT A ZEBRA. This means the answer is a horse not a zebra. Don’t paint fancy stripes on a plain old horse that is right in front of your nose.
In other words if someone is puking, fever, headache am I going to diagnose them with malaria (zebra) or a common cold? …….The cold of course. If treatment for the cold does not work….than we look at other HORSES………if none of those are right than we test for malaria (zebra)
Moon,
who are your horses
who is the current zebras?
Hiring now http://www.blackwaterusa.com/
We need to find someone from Aruba that has been or can get info on the underground party/rave scene. With all the Arubans hitting these sites, yet not much talk of the underground parties. Support Joran if you want but answer some questions. Long live Shango. The FBI in Boston covered for Whitey Bulger’s mob for years but ultimately led to FBI agent’s arrests. If you stay silent and do nothing, your kids will still be dealing with these crimes years later. “The Code of Silence” can be broken.
Remember that here in the US almost all cases are solved be tips from people. That is how they found Elizabeth Smart. It seems to me that the Aruban people are scared to talk. Does anyone feel this too. Maybe because it involves the Judges son???
SJO: On Riehlworld.com
I feel definately daddy knows what happened that evening. He is the one who started the ball rolling with coverning up what his son was involved in. Both families are involved here and as to what extent we really don’t know. As for Joran being at school that day doesn’t mean a thing. If anyone remembers the day when Mr. Twitty went to the school and the head master of the school Joran attended said something to the fact that Natalee drowned. How would he know. Daddy seems to know everyone very well. It doesn’t take much to pay people off, especially if you have the money. They could have easily been paid off to show Joran passing his test with flying colors. Maybe the investigators should take a step back and see who Joran, the brothers and his father are associating with. Did anyone notice none of his friends came forward to talk about him being such an outstanding person he is. His mother is the only one saying he is a good boy.
Nobody should have to explain why they are covering a missing person story. But Michelle M should provide a reasonable and believable explaination why she wants to put a “lid” on the story. This story needs to be covered because Aruba is a small island with a murder every decade or so. A judge’s son is the prime suspect, and the evidence presented to the public points to JVDS and his friends. Oh yeah…she is a naive pretty young girl.
Jake:
OJ lives right next to you? Holy shitkickers!! Ever see any stray gloves lying around?
Darn! Am I confusing him w/ MJ???
That’s it! Another round!!!
Hi everyone – that was a hell of a lunch hour Jake! Does your boss know?
We see your point Nurse, and a great one too. We all honestly wish that some of these guys here in the blog could be in the interrigation room and on the ArubAN police force and get this done and over with. Enough is enough already! Can we please have Nat back??
I think this blogging is awesome you Monkey boys! I’ve never done this before but I could get used to it.
Mom – do you really drink your lunch? Or are you playing with us?
Does anyone know if investigators have checked out any and all places where a body could be cremated? Does Joran’s family have any connection to a funeral home? Does anyone know enough about forensics to know if any evidence would be left if burning is how they disposed of the body, by burning it? I wonder if anyone has checked areas that look like campsite or trash fires or ovens. I would think the Equusearch team is checking into this. Also, any areas where construction would be going on, so concrete could be poured. Also, I would hope that even if the suspects had time to try to erase data from their computers by deleting files and cookies, that a forensic expert would be able to locate the data, as in that case on 20/20 or DateLine or 60 Minutes, where the man had surfed on how to make a bathtub drowning look like an accident and they concluded he murdered his wife, because they could check what he had looked at and they could get back a suicide letter he tried to pass off as his wife’s which he deleted, but they located with a date after her death, not before. Any way, just some speculation. I pray for Natalie and her Mom and all her family! I pray they get the answers to the questions, SOON!
It’s because people end up dead if they talk. It happened in my hometown for years. Eventually it will come crashing down. This could be the moment, if the Cowboys find out and publicize every night via Greta.
Jake: Yes I remember it all because she lives here! (hint)…..She did have plastic surgery, her husband is also and attorney and the have the most usual but GORGEOUS home!
OJ is something else! I’ve been involved in the NFL for over 20 years and know very many sports figures and he is one of them!
I agree with the previous posts, regarding Greta! Let HER take over! She’s full of piss ‘n vinegar, and would go toe-to-toe with those losers.
Vote GRETA!
Good Afternoon. ANy developments?
The Aruban people are the ones that should come forward and solve this mistery. They shouldn’t be afraid of one 17 year old and his family connections. If they are they afraid then there is more he to this story than we know and there are other people involved that they are afraid of. It doesn’t take much to drop a dime on a person. It only takes one phone call. And if they are afraid of being traced make it from a public place on the island where they won’t know who made the call. All we need is that one piece of information.
Mom, you are making me thoisty (new york accent).
Larry, are you weedwacking now?
Moon,
you got that right, sister! Someone needs to get the other friends of the horse talking. Friends tell friends stuff. Friends brag. Police need to fishbowl the horses with their friends…… being the probable sociopath that Mr. lawyer-son is it won’t even affect him though…….ever met a sociopath? It is like they are “soul-less”. No concept of right or wrong. Can pass lie tests. Can lie without blinking or sweating. Keyword being sweating.
Trisher:
I was wondering if someone would ask that. Honestly….
No, I don’t drink my lunch. Actually, I had leftover pizza and a weak Pepsi. Darn it.
I just joke a little, to keep it light. I LOVE to make people laugh. If I get too much, just let me know. I don’t take this serious situation for granted, trust me.
*hangs head in shame*
Country Moon, keep your faith girl. One way or another justice will be served if need be or Natalee will be going home. I woke this morning with a feeling that she is waiting for someone to rescue her.
Just want to touch briefly on P VdS and his son. If I were in a judicial position and my son were to become a suspect of a crime, regardless of whether or not I knew he was innocent or guilty, I would advise him not to talk. It’s not that he’s trying to hide anything…it’s common sense. No matter what J VdS possibly says, Mrs. Holloway-Twitty and the media will twist it into a confession of some sort.
I’m in Natalee’s corner…but…I don’t like how we’ve all become self-proclaimed experts in this case…of a MISSING person.
I am having difficulty taking anything she says or writes seriously. Her book, “In Defense of Internment” in which she defends the internment of Japanese was some of the most; well I am not going to be politically correct, un-patriotic drivel I have read. I haven’t quite figured out whom she set out in her career to impress, Roger Ailes? Karl Rove?
Ms.Malkin is a bright, intelligent and well-spoken person, who has either been mislead at some point or has figured out her niche in life, ala Ann Coulter. She should realize attention does not result in respect. I recommend she undertake a project such as the over $400 million in government funds paid to Haliburton/KBR for services not rendered, thereby showing she is an independent and free thinker, willing to go against the party line.
I am sure she thought it was brave to speak out in favor of an episode in American history understood by most as reprehensible, but true bravery would be the willingness to open and explore fresh wounds.
You won’t need local kids coming forward with info on those Rave houses/ parties… Shango said to “follow the music” there will be another chance coming up soon to do just that.
this festival has approx 20 days of prep time. and the last festival ran for 5 days .. and it happened on the last Saturday in May.
The ariwaks? know!
Greta and her husband are also members of the scamming cult known as Scientology, and have been involved in ponzi schemes and worse in the past. Google it. She may be a shrewd attorney, but you better believe she’s looking out for number one first and foremost.
Personally, I find the coverage rather sleazy.
moon, do you know if they have questioned these boys in the same room yet? Lawyer kid boy will not blink or react…….but those other two brothers will show signs of caving and lying and will crack. If the polis want to really see who knows what they need to question them all at the same time with tape rolling!
There are no places to cremate bodies in Aruba and nobody in Aruba is withholding information for fear of the van der Sloot connection. van der Sloot has absolutely no influence of any sort on the island, most people have never heard of the poor soul.
The closest drematory is in Curacao, but if someone is going to suggest that NH’s body was secretly transported to Curacao and cremated there I’m gonna have a cow! A mad one, if need be!
MM is a friend of Joran’s probably!
Karin-yesterday I thought of the crematory too!! But someone from Aruba answered that there was no crematory!
MOM-LOL w/ the glove!!
Trisher- HI!
Captain:
self-proclaimed experts? I don’t recall blogging with them. Unless you’re speaking of…
oh nevermind.
I think we are all here for hope. Sometimes, there are knowitall’s that interfere.
Please stroll down to about the middle of this site…..a lot of pics………who is this Freddy guy……he seems to be in a lot of pics with Joran.
http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/
Trisher-this is my first time as a blogger too. I tell people and they think I’m crazy!
We are not in Aruba anymore we do not know who is being interrogated where. Sorry.
We strongly feel that Nat is alive, SOMEWHERE. Joran, he is a weirdo, I mean you totally get that vibe from him even before all this stuff came about. All of us have said this before, he seriously is odd.
He was not even suppost to be at C&C’s that night. He arived and when he did he made it seem like “Oh the party can start now I am here”. Most people however disregarded him totally.
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drematory, crematory, same thing……
does anyone know why Marianne Croes was replaced?
Let’s take a look at this from another perspective. Let’s say that JVS and the Kalpoes did either get NH drunk and/or gave her a drug, took her to a secluded area, raped her and then took JVS and NH to the Marriott. For whatever reason JVD leaves NH at the Marriott beach area. Then someone unknown person comes along and takes NH. When she is reported missing JVS and the Kalpoes are questioned, they know they commited a crime and tell a lie about taking her to the HI. They get caught in the lie and tell what might be the truth of taking JVS anf NH to the Marriott and dropping them off without confessing the rape. For all we know, three current suspects may only be guilty of rape and NH could be imprisoned somewhere.
Captain chin,
Did you see the earlier post by Moon? People are using the ideas presented here. No one is a pro but a bunch of minds are better than one. Always…. It just helps to have different angles and thoughts. At least that is what I think is great about blogging in general.
Hey all:
Almost my happy hour time! Those on east coast are probably ready to bend their elbows too!
Mom: I will have another one just for you!
Oops, I didn’t mean to submit that here, oh well.
About the coverage of Natalee. My heart tells me I want coverage, coverage, coverage of this case. My reason tells me, there may be other issues not being covered when the same videos and “Fox News Alerts” are played as breaking news 4 times an hour. Then Fox takes a superior attitude on the amount of coverage it has given to Natalee, versus the other Cable networks. That said, one has to ask, what has Fox not reported on during this last month. The Downing Street memo, KBR, election reform, the war, why we don’t get accurate injury counts from Iraq….these if mentioned received short shrift. But………..back to my heart. I am here, I follow this site religiously, the boards, I have watched more Fox this month than I ever have ( bet they like that) because I am so attached to the Natalee story.
Where can I read the transcript of Emily Jones?
It is funny that so many of us our first time bloggers – it is addicting.
Here is Satish Kalpoe’s profile:
http://profile.tickle.com/4KDC8W5L-xJvcYV6
Scroll down to the bottom where it says:
“Stories About Satish “…..there is a guy named Alex…..who also has a profile and he is in one of the pics from the “proud_college_republican with Joran…..This guy is strange….you should read his profile.
Katcall:
Thank you! Cheers!!!
FOX NEWS – Just had an update the more arrest expected shortly. Also PVDS gave his first interview after his release to BVN Network-Netherlands. It could be found on the internet. If anyone finds it, please post it.
MOM, I was including us ALL as amateur sleuths…
I understand Joran had a web site that was subsequently taken down. Does anyone have that?
moon,
I just meant to say that if Nat’s mom is reading stuff for ideas or angles she may want to ask if they have been interrogated in that way yet. Seeing as there is a prosecuting attorney nat’s mom could suggest it to him/her if she is able to and if it was not already done. I think those two brothers are Lawyer-boy’s “slaves/gophers”. People like him ALWAYS have a few groupies trailing around that cannot think for themselves and if questioned in front of lawyer boy would for sure cave or show signs of caving.
Jake – is the rumour true it is the monkey from Greta’s blog?
does anyone know why Marianne Croes was replaced?
JAKE WHEN WILL THERE BE MORE ARRESTS?
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.
Country: Joran appeared odd to you all because he is a young psychopath and a liar to boot. Your naturally born God given senses picked up on this negativity about him as being odd. IT’s all about HIM! He’s trouble and always has been and most that KNOW him realize this too!
Gotcha, Captain. I re-read
Hi Jake. You shouldn’t tell people that you blog. lol
Frankly, I almost cannot watch the repeats of the news any more. This is where I come to really get the info.
I don’t know how I first came to this site.
But I’m glad I did!
crs-i don’t get it. What monkey? Did I miss something??
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.
Rachael – marrianne talked too much.
GAGirl, you’re right, why should the locals assist and come forward, we should all just wait around for the next festival when we can “follow the music” to the next festival which is happening when, this weekend, next week or something? Follow the music to something that is not the same and completely changed due to all of this, thus wasting our time completely? The real help would be telling us when and where it is. But I doubt we’ll get that information.
Sociopath, yeah, very possibly. My brother like to punch teachers in high school, bored and too smart, dropped out, got GED, blows IQ test off the scale. ADD, Bi-polar, and manic depressive. He can work ANY therapist or investigator, and has fully passed lie detector tests with no problem. You can’t use normal parameter on sociopaths. Did you see that BTK killer? Normal enough looking guy I think.
Sometimes you think you know someone, but everyone hides part of their person. Why do you think so many neighbors interviewed with wackos next door say “he was a great guy, seemed normal to me”. You never know what is truly in the hearts of men or women. That might apply to both sides here.
Joran did have a weird website, it was covered extensively in the National Enquirer. Not that I really read National Enquirer per se. Just casually happen to glance for a brief moment.
Shelly Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:15 pm
Here is Satish Kalpoe’s profile:
Scroll down to the bottom where it says:
“Stories About Satish “…..there is a guy named Alex…..who also has a profile and he is in one of the pics from the “proud_college_republican with Joran…..This guy is strange….you should read his profile.
Sorry….I gave the wrong web address b4….here is the right one….I think:
http://profile.tickle.com/4KDC8W5L-xJvzYV6
Last night on the island would be the perfect time for a date rape drug. It is not unusual for the victim not to have any memory the next day, but hey, even if she did she’d be on a plane home. No confrontation for the boyz. Early reports were that all three boyz said they had sex with her is that still correct?
Jake – didn’t you post that this morning too? About more arrests on the horizon?
Jake, yesterday, Greta had a blog on foxnews.com and she talked about this monkey that lives next door to the vds’s and they, Greta and her crew, have been feeding this monkey because the people are out of town, and the monkey hit Greta in the video she posted.
crs-that is hilarious.lol..I din’t know that! Hey crs-you think the monkey might have the receipt?
Time to shut down 1200 and move to 1201…..this is getting very slow.
You’re not supposed to feed the monkeys, they get aggressive.
Jake what happened to all of our info and Simian?
Shelly, the “friends” pictures on Alex’s site have yet more strange pictures. A guy wrapped in plastic, some other rough looking dudes. Strange indeed.
Simian:
A shadow appeared before me. They whispered, “Simian knows, Simian knows”.
Is is possible, since none of NH’s friends saw her leave, that she actually left with the 3. They could have staged any blond leaving with them. They could have said they took her here or there, but didn’t. Maybe thats why they can not pick up any evidence. She may have exited, with someone help, out C&C’s back door.
Jake, it is very funny, if you get time go to foxnews.com and click on Greta’s show under tv and it will take you to the blog. i think it entirely possible if not likely that monkey masterminded everything and does have the reciept.
CRS is 1201 open? Send us a link
Isn’t Simian the monkey?
Trisher-Yes, they mentioned there would be more arrests earlier, and now they keep repeating the same update! I think they are going to bring in kids from Joran’s school which he spoke with the day after Natalee’s disapearance. Remember, in Aruba when they arrest you, it’s to question you, not charge you with any crime, so whoever they take in today or tomorrow, doen’t mean they are involved in Nat disapearance, it simply means they might have some info on her disappearance.
Well, G, Greta has been feeding the monkey and doing god knows whatelse with it.
I thought the dogs had a “hit” yesterday at a quarry. What happened with that? Where are they searching today? Have they taken the cadaver dogs out in the boats yet?
I’ll move to 1201. How do we do that?
Mike 1….you can find pictures of that website at this web address: (scroll about half the way down)
http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/
I had also asked earlier if anyone knew who this Freddy dude was that is in a lot of pictures with Joran at this site
Rachael, not yet, I hoping T&R open a new one soon.
G:
YES! Some humor!!!
Sim MUST be the monkey!
I don’t know if anyone has brought this up or not, but it is something I keep coming back to…..since mom vds was out of town (how coincidental) maybe the whole thing was planned from the get go. What if, (and this thought does sicken me even more), dad vds and Joran planned the whole thing and dad even ‘had his way’ with NH too? Just makes no sense to me whatsoever that the two of them were gambling together (one illegally) and Dad leaves the casino. Does anyone know what time? Anyway, he leaves to go home only to be called by Jvds at 11 to come pick him up. Could jvds have already picked out their target? Supposedly they went home, but Juron snuck back out….yeah right….to go out to C & C’s, where he knew NH was. Were they dancing? What happened at C & C’s and how long was NH there before jvds arrived? How long were they there until picked up by the bros? Could they have dropped them off at the location where Dad was already waiting? I sure don’t think the bros are innocent or Steve Croes for that matter. Did Daddy have someone waiting there to hand NH off to? Hmmm…gambling, drugs, maybe money trouble & desperate? And all when mom is not around? Sweating profusely? Hmmmmm
This one Babylonian is a sure shot. The boy and the Hindus are closer than you would think. They believe all of their fingers are burned. The Babylonians think she’s on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.
Jake – that fact alone would scare me out of going to Aruba. I think it would be a great place to visit. But to be “arrested” or “brought in” because I might know something – it’s one of my fears – to be in jail ( of course it would be for something I did not do.)
i finally got to see greta’s blog for the day. that’s smart to start at square one since that’s basically where we are ending up.
Hey, since Greta has become pals with the monkey, maybe she can bring all us monkeys on the show to solve the case!! WHAT A TWIST!! We can even have MOM monkey holding a bud light in her hands!!!! What a rating!!!
No, this was a different festival close to pagen it started on the last Saturday of May and lasted for 5 days. I believe that Shango was at this festival/celebration/ honoring of ancestors along with some other indiginous people. And that is how he knows what he knows. I have more info but I am not sure what to do with it.
simian am I right? the police have a lot on the three and they won’t be released?
Simian:
***yawn***
Know any Mother Goose? I’m suddenly craving “Hush Little Baby”, or perhaps, “Little Boy Blue”.
The monkey is old news what is this about a possible new arrest?
Americans don’t get arrested for anything down there, the polis look the other way because tourism is the bread and butter. i would be much more leary of Mexico.
LMAO @ Jake
Hee hee hee
Jake, I emailed Greta because she always talks about reading them begging her to come to this site sometime and chat for 15 minutes. Pktbk- I read Greta today too and she’s right, time to backtrack and reevaluate everything.
gagirl,
tell more about this pagen festival.
Would the brothers have brought her as some kind of offering after stalking her out? Thus the quick timeline…..pick her up drop her at the pagen ceremony and than make up stories to cover it up????
hmmm…
Shelly:
Freddy is locoman on tickle. Let me see if i can find a link:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=DmHPBDAL5.vIXfIe
Check out all his pics with Joran.
How many simians are there? Is this cryptic messenger the original “I was at the police station” simian?
Greta is one tough cookie! I think she is doing a great job! She is awesome!
(I’m buttering her up so she has us on her show) hee hee hee hee hee
nope nurse two different things ….. the ceremony had nothing to do with NH… but I think people who were at the ceremony saw what went down and perhaps where it went down.
I read today somewhere…Joran has changed his story yet again (don’t know how old that was), therefore tallying 3 creative tales.
1st: Dropped of NH @ Holiday Inn
2nd: Left Nat at Beach
3rd: Please reply if you know.
In summary: If this loser were innocent, you wouldn’t change your story. Cocky-ass, lying bastard BETTER cough it up!
Grrrrrrrowwwwwwwllllll!
Hey Simian where is Shango?
Here is another blog that has been reading you guys on here
http://ductapefatwa.blogspot.com/
Have to shut down comments for a bit, sorry. Will be back up later.
gagirl,
what religion are those who attend the pagan festival and what is it’s name?
Jake, someone posted the link on riehl’s page. I had trouble with the video software.
We are back up!
hello.
Can someone please tell me when Shango was last on?
No one is yet here.
I just heard this on fox news that the reason the Paul Van Der Sloot was taken in was because he advised one of the boys “no body no evidence”. He is a discusting individual.
I have following questions … does anyone know answers?
1. Did any of students from the trip stay back in Auba when they realized NH is not at airport to see if she needs any help?
2. Did any of the chaperones stay back and not board the flight to help look for NH?
3. Who is the beneficiary for any of NH’s life insurance policies?
4. Can Life insurance be collected if body is not found?
5. Do you think it is ok for NH’s family to speak out against the release of teh Judge? Should they not realize the fact that there is nothing substantial to hold the father now?
6. NH’s ex-boyfriend was also on the trip …… has he been interrogated?
When did he get to his room that fateful night?
Thank You
TNGirl
um… what am I?.. chopped liver?
TN – chaperones stayed behind when Natalee did not make her plane home.
The life insurance policy (if it is true, which we don’t know) HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE—GET OFF THE SUBJECT
Well, we hav to look at it from all angles ……..
That is the only way to solve this case & find NH
scaredshitless:
I heard that anyone can take Life Insurance on anyone ….. they do not hve to be relatives.
Example: Mr X in WY can take Life Insurance on Miss Y in TX and X & Y need not have ever met
I dont know why they keep mentioning life insurance. If I were the Holloways, I’d be highly insulted
I am not loking at Holloways !!
This is far fetched but ….
Could someone have taken the Life Inss on NH in AL and planned all this?
I know it is too much of a stretch but ……
Was there any new arrests today??
Dad vdS didnt tell the truth in the interview last night on Dutch tv [sorry, in Dutch]
http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=62967/contentid=594132/sc=59fb27
Sort of translation of the newsitem:
Karen Janssen told that tonight in the same Dutch tv-program.
Paul vdS said yesterday in the interview he only explained a few single things to his son and the two brothers, but he told them a lot more [like he got the statements of the friends to Joran through his attorney]
Janssen said the interrogations are going by the rules. Joran is not being handled soft, they show him pics of Natalee and there are hits on the table.
[Jorans mother said in the same interview last night her son is being interrogated very hard, so hard they were afraid he would say things that arent true]
Depends on what state and the insurance company wants to know the relationship between the insured and the owner of the policy. There has to be a relationship established. You usually have to take a physical. This will be the last time I discuss the possibility of and insurance policy taken out on Natalee. It definately does not apply here and we need to drop this subject.
TNGirl that is a mega-stretch. the VDS’s are guilty. The father telling one of the boys “no body, no evidence” is enough to put reasonable doubt in my mind.
San, it didnt say Paul vdS was advising the three, just telling them how things work.
TN girl – not only is it a stretch, please don’t quick your day job & go into detective work!
When Greta asked Mariaine Croes if he was being interrogated every day the other night in an interview she said for a fact “no”. Maybe this is why she was replaced. She gave to much info.
MSNBC — Holloway not only missing U.S. woman in Caribbean, Thursday,June 9, 2005.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
Whether or not PVDS was simply “telling them how things work” implies guilt in my book. Why the Hell else would he even consider Natalee to be dead to have to tell them that? Again, wtf is the deal with Joran bragging about having sex with Natalee and then saying that she had drowned? Come on already.
Krisin In SC: this is why I can’t UNDERSTAND WHY they let the old man out!
Marianne Croes’ replacement -Karen Janssen- gives more info, apparently.
FYI, just FYI… this is old news.
Yolande,
But if they were all innocent why would he advise them of something like that. That was going to the extreme. Unless one of the confessed to him about doing something.
I understand Paul vdS didnt talk to the boys the next day but two or three days later. If he would have known he would have made more hurriy with it?
[just a thing I read somewhere, not a fact]
Kristin-in-SC
Maybe old to you! However, Amy’s friends & family live with it everyday, as Natalee’s!
anybody see the interview Greta had with security guard that was arrested first. He said one of the Kalpoe brothers (Depak) told him while he was in jail said the family (Sloots) and them sat down and was told what to say .
Why did Joran BRAG about sex and then “she drowned” ?
Is he stupid or he has nothing to do with the drowning?
You cannot believe Deepak anymore …
he may be lying again
I would believe the guard before I would believe someone like Joran , dont know about the Kalpoes but I am sure they know what happened also. Satish has a site on Tickel
Its not just far-fetched,,,its not making sense. Leave it,
Remember the Colorado case …. a rich family .. a young daughter murdered in the basement?
The parents were suspects …. they hired lawyers and did not speak to police openly once they were suspects.
You can draw parallel and see why the suspects heer are not talking
If I were that guard, I’d be furious. With the info he gave Greta, the old man van der SLUT should be back in the slammer
Shango was last on…maybe thread 1198 or 1197. I know, not that helpful. It was in the morning. Either yesterday or Monday. Shango and Simian (real or fake) got in an argument. Neither one seems to have returned (or if they HAVE returned, they haven’t been obvious about it). Am I correct?
My last post was for TN girl.
They change their stories like the change their underwear. Every day there is a new story with those three. They think everyone is a fool.
I think the two Hindu’s are a couple of dummies
Didn’t the guard say they will all burn. I like him already.
obviously they are joran’s pawns
I like that guard. He isn’t threatening to “sue” left & right at what injustice was done to him.
As far as I know they changed stories about dropping NH at HI Vs Joran and NH getting dropped off at the Marriott …
Were there otherstories that got changed? I might have missed them
The thing is, we have no idea what they’re saying and/or doing in that jail.
That is right — we don’t knwo since no evidence can be given out.
But everyone says :They are changing the stories like clothes. How do we know?
I read PEOPLE magazine today re: Natalee. So sad! They have her baby photo in there. Her mom’s face is so sad and thin.
Does anyone remember when they interviewed the brothers mom and Greta asked what time they got home that night? Didn’t she say somewhere between 2:00 and 3:30? If she can’t say for sure how do we know they were home at 2 like they said?
But what got me is when GRETA interviewed that half-wit, Steve Croes. What a lowlife liar.
These are the five lies I heard. Correct me if I’m wrong.
1. They said they went Lighthouse.
2. Dropped her off back at Holiday Inn.
3. Dropped her off with Joran at the Marriott.
4. Dropped Joran off at his house.
5. The security guards had something to do with her disappearance.
Would you believe them?
Is Equisearch still searching on Aruba I have not heard any info from them I thought maybe they were pulling out or something?
HOPE: the Hindus’ mother was a moron. You can’t put any stock in what she said
Croes is a SKANK.
San…good timeline!
@ FYI, the disappearence of Amy Bradley has been discussed here off and on seeing they they both have common connections. Both Amy and Natalee are linked to the Carlos and Charlie’s in Aruba. Both girls are suspected to have fallen victim to sexual slavery though there is no concrete evidence.
Croes looks seedy and shifty and he lied directly to Greta. And his companion looked seedy as well. AND TO THINK HE WAS RELEASED!
Kristin In SC____ Amy Bradley story has been on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES. She did not go to C&C’s. She was docked in Curacio( spelled wrong?)…NOT Aruba
Psychic Detectives in on gotta go! Still think Holloway and Twittys should look up one of these people!
I was just saying that where is their alibi on what time they got home. Unless the pc records validate it theres nothing definite
What is this “Hindu boys” deal?
I thought the boys are Surinames?
It doe snot really matter what they are …. we need case solved
@Kristin-in-SC, for these families it is NEVER OLD NEWS! Your comment is pathetic!
@Elsgal,
There you hit a butten.
We (Arubans, curacauowenaars, americans,dutch, germans, canadians etc.} have all contributed to this log.
Let’s indulge in the moment, we ALL are connected in this case, for worse or better, but we are here, sharing, cursing, but we are here together in this, if I may say, as an ordinary human beings understanding damn well what’s going on down here.
Welcome the rest of the world.
Lets speak and quarrel and start to get rid of our the rigid foreign-minister-go’;s-to-speak-to foreign-alien-adversary.
Well, I’m Dutch and proud, I impressed by the immense size of the US, a dwarfing experience if y’our Dutch.
ButI’m proud.
One of the oldest republic’s in Europe after the antic’s (1648) forced in to kingdom again after Napoleon (1812) freed from this King in 1848 (Thorbecke)
The first nation to acknowladge the existance as something as the United States.
We had the taste of WORLD DOMINATION, and we had it for a while, and that feels STRONG, you know you can do it again, it’s a comforting thouht.
People I love this Log, We’re save, no KalshniKov’s, M 16, just concerned and curious people, thrown together by chance.
That’s about as close as an atheist I comes to your prayers.
And I feel connected.
There is a silent revolution going on.
And I love it, and you all my fellow humans where ever you are.
And let’s not forget they’res a girl missing………………………..
I’m Dutch by the way.
DRAX…last time I saw Shango on was 2 days ago…
Here is a link to a freerepublic blog regarding Natalee’s disappearance. I have found lots of interesting info there.
I’ve compiled a lot of “Lorenzo” quotes from other posters, who posted earlier on in the mystery.
Anna, Larry, Edie, Observer, subdude, Kristin in SC & others, let me know if (and where) you’d like me to post them.
Croes just said they treated him good in prison. Can you believe that. They are really interrogating them over there. I’m surprise the didn’t offer him milk and cookies.
This case is very bothersome …
No “apparent” progress in 1 month
Heart broken for the Mom
According to the Aruba officer Jan van der Straten, leading the investigation, Natalee is not alive anymore:
from Het Parool, a Dutch quality newspaper (www.parool.nl)
‘Natalee leeft niet meer’
Binnenland, dinsdag 28 juni 2005 (965 woorden)
Jan van der Straten leidt op Aruba het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway. Hoop op een goede afloop voor Natalee heeft hij niet meer. ‘Omdat ik het onderzoek ken.
“Natalee is not alive anymore”
Tuesday, June 28
Jan van der Straten is in charge of the investigation of the case of the missing US teen Natalee Holloway.
He has no hope of a good ending for Natalee anymore [quote Jan van der Straten:] “because I know the [results of] the investigation”.
Quick translation, sorry for bad syntax e.a.
Scan of article available!
According to State Department estimates, there are about 800,000 to 900,000 people being “trafficjed” across internation borders anually. Out of those numbers about 50,000 women and children are sold into sexual slavery in the U.S. alone! Then, factor in that there are roughly 17,000 women from the U.S. that are kidnapped and trafficked in to other countries for sexual slavery. Those are some pretty high numbers. It is not at all far-fetched to believe that Natalee is still alive, having been sold.
Greta is slick. I kind of saw what she was doing before when she and Mrs. Holloway went to the Van Der Sloot house. I first thought of it as a story opportunity, and as being altruistic towards Mrs. Holloway.
But yesterday, I suddenly realized what I think she’s up to. Maybe alot of you will say, “No shit Sherlock”. Anyway, I have to say I admire her strategy. I believe she’s using her prosecutorial skills, to appear that she’s interviewing for a story, when what she is really doing, in fact, is performing a subtle interrogation of suspects to assist the Aruban authorities. Christ knows, these dumb bastards need all the imported help they can get. The information she draws out of these clowns, I believe, is being reviewed by the Aruban authorities because they’re too GODDAMNED STUPID and ARROGANT to allow real investigators into the loop. Greta knows this and she’s doing her best to assist in the investigation.
Repo:
It is strange they say such things about NH but do not giv more details
Maybe consoling for americans,
The new Dutch procecuter is an exparienced woman.
Did a really hevy multiple murder gang trial.
With strong presence and authoraty.
New Girl please post!
FYI, you have not been here long enough to begin judging people, especially me.
Shut up Peter,
It’s getting windy down here.
NudeinFL :
Yeah, in the interwiew, Van der Straten sais he is not in the position to say more because of the investigation. But he does state something very significant.
By the way, I find it odd the US press didn’t get onto this one!
TN Girl,
you can not take a life insurance policy on just anyone. There must be an insureable interest. Second it requires signatures of the person who is being insured and at bare min a blood, urine, and blood pressure test…..
On a side note there is not a 2 million dollar policy on Natalee. It’s anther internet story. All these stories that come out are intended to change the focus off Aruba and cast some doubt upon Natalee’s family. Any accusations of this type are nothing short of slander.
vanderF: world domination is pink and will be televised.
@Kristin-in-SC, you have NO idea how long we’ve been here. You really should pay more attention to what you are reading, “your COMMENT is pathetic!” Perhaps, you may be as well, but not for us to say.
Bed time here,
ciao and buenas noches.
FYI, who is we? This this the first time I have seen posts from FYI.
by the way TN I am not saying YOU are being slanderous.
Kristin-in-SC:
(off the subject)
I went to Clemson. Great place & state
Jystin T:
I did not take your comment in wrong way … we all have to be objective .. I like criticism … it makes me think
NudeinFL, SC is a nice place to live. People here tend to be real and family values are strong.
@ FYI, this is the last thing I will say about the matter. The case of Amy Bradley has been unsolved since 1998. While it may be related in some means, I personally do not thing for a moment that the family of Natalee are concerned about Amy, they want their daughter back and until then, that is probably their only concern.
As for the families of all the other missing children, my heart goes out to them. I hope that the good Lord is watching over them and their children. Right now, my primary concern is doing anything I can to help Natalee’s family take her home.
who is that REPO guy and why did he post a dutch article saying Natalee is no longer alive?
scaredsh*tless I am wondering the same thing.
You wonder if it’s a hoax.
hi folks…watched the oreilly factor…alot of what he says is so true..but did agree with greta that it was weird that so soon afterwards that Joran had this made up story that would end up being the HI drop off scenario they al first agreed on using….
I get very bad vibes about the Croes guy….i mean isnt it disturbing that he was on night duty on that boat right near the beach…..i heard that eh also operated a shuttle to and from the Tatoo boat …with a smaller vessel….hmmmm….????? How does everyone feel about him being fired? i wonder if anyone has ever searched the smaller boat???
vander F,
In your ear, pal.
Good Question SS: One thing is in my book the Aruba Police have no crediablity anyway…. but if he did make those comments as translated then there is problem with him. He shouldn’t be on this case anyway because of his relation to PVDS. But to give the benefit of the doubt he may have said that it does not look good.
I heard today that there were gong to be more arrest have you seen anything about that ? It was suppose to be on Fox
Lisabobeesa: Croes looks like a criminal. Just rewatch his “interview” with Greta.
The Aruban guy they interviewed said “cops are looking at the stepdad and ex-boyfriend”…can you believe it? It was on that show w/Linda Vester and she just let him get away w/saying that! I would’ve POUNCED on him.
my daughter had the bright idea to check out some websites that kids her age login in on and write personal profiles (webblogs). Its a way for young adults to connect with others all over the world. She came across onto Joran profile, and some of his friends in aruba. Very interesting and telling about what him and friends like to do:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050629163453
click on his friends to read their profiles and you can view more pics of joran on jamies profile just by clicking on his picture
I’m sorry but I’m not impressed with ANY of these Arubans being interviewed. They all look like trash.
BOND: I just clicked on it & Joran had a pin-up girl, blond, named NATALIE on it! D’ysuppose that’s why he took a liking to OUR Natalee?????
one of the things that has bothered me from day one…was the early signs of corruption in this case…the way they took the 3 boys story over two sec guards who were black…stormed into arrest them and confiscated their belongings..without even so much as checking if they were ven there? and when surveillance tapes surely disproved the boys alibis….but to add insult to injury ..the aruban officials defended their lack of action in detaining joran and kalpoes by saying they couldnt storm in like cowboys……how transparent..and everyone claiming there is no preferential treatment..ba humbug!
I am on the phone with a friend of mine that is on vacation in Cancun and she is telling me that she is hearing things like “the American girl she is in Cucuta.
What are the odds of this? Looking on a map, it looks like there are roads leading there from Caracas.
my thoughts for today…..
first….I think every airport in the usa should have alerts posted at all areas that have flights going to the isle of aruba and neighboring countries…with pic of natlee a description of what happened and a saftey warning…this way if and when nats family comes home there will be a constant flow of observers…
second….I think we should all have wish bone car magnets make saying find natlee( and amy) like the ribbon ones all over the place…any entrepuners here go for it……that way people will ask about it and learn more…
and to end some questions:
have ALL hospitals in aruba and close neighboring countries been checked…
how are small water craft vessels accounted for…can someone rent a boat in the middle of the night for a joy ride..weird but possible…. any not returned if logged out…. or diving exuiptment….
how roudy are the beaches at night there…..
and I would like forsomeone to find the blodg by one of nat fellow school mates that told of them leaving the bar….it said they had walked with her a bit with joran right there….I guess I am begining to thinktha somehow….I dont know how….she did not leave voluntarily….unless you could prove to me she was so inclined to do such a thing….I cannot even see her talking to him with the way country describes him…and inhispicks he looks so dorky….what couldhe have said to gain her intrest…. it all makes me think of this big bad partying concept….but if so why doesnt this sort of thing happen all the time….
ahhh to many questions tog oto sleep on…..
final notes….
be cardful…..
are you ready…..
these are words fome my daily meditations that came out…..could mean anything…could mean nothing….
hugs to nats mom….rest tonight
lisabobeesa,
You nailed it.
SS,
Well that can pretty well tell you just how f^&*K up they are. Last time I checked you have to use a Passport to get in and out of Aruba. Him…. they are in the US. gee let me guess they hired a hit man to take out their daughter because of the 2 million dollar insurance policy on Natalee… That does not exsist… They are in major cover up mode. The reality is and this is sad to say but if she was kidnapped and we got her back alive they (Aruba) has a much bigger PR problem…
SS,
if you look at his friend aruba one happy eiland comments, it looks to me that he tries to talk to as many girls as he can ( i saw one on there that was 14!!!) and tries to entice them to come to aruba… He seems to be very obessesed with girls!
I think Aruba’s PR problem is already in motion.
This has definetly been a long break. Half an hour without any action. Greta must be saying someting good, so I’ll appreciate if all of you kind souls can brief me on the latest developments.
I’ll be waiting patiently.
Hey Folks just a FYI:
MSNBC Tonight: Two Exclusive Interviews on Scarborough Country
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1202
interview with prosecutor Caren Janssen and a new grass roots letter writing campaign started in AL.
Thank you Red for letting us know.
Chris, I be lookin for ya! In the hallways?
Dana
I think everybody is watching the news.
Lucy, good to see you!
He Checkie, nice to see you too. Been sitting here for a while, waiting for everyone. How was your day?
you mean it’s just us now on the board?
Us and Dana, who’s desperately looking for Chris.
I think everyone is watching Fox again.
Checkme, Kitchen clean by now?