RSSMSNBC Tonight: Two Exclusive Interviews on Scarborough Country
Tonight on Scarborough Country there will be two “exclusive interviews”. The first will be MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC CORRESPONDENT at 10.00pm continuing his interviewing Caren Janssen the newly appointed spokes person and lead prosecutor from Aruba.
See the video of Martin Savidge with Caren Janssen courtesy of Blogs For Natalee
The second will be Joe Scarborough at 10:15 pm doing an interview with Marcia Twitty regarding the newly started, LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY, “NOTES FOR NATALEE”.
See the video of Marcia Twitty discussing the letter writing campaign courtesy of Blogs fro Natalee.
This is a letter writing campaign started by family friend Sunny Tillman in hopes of creating and maintaining pressure for authorities to do everything possible to find Natalee Holloway. Everything starts at the grass roots and she is asking that we all take a little time out of our day and make a difference.
The letter from Sunny requests the following:
Please send a hand written note to the Ambassador at the Royal Netherlands Embassy in Washington, DC asking for the continued support from Holland in the search for Natalee Holloway. This campaign is intended to reflect the class, and dignity displayed by Natalee’s mother Beth over the past few weeks, and we ask that the content s of your letters do this as well. The goal of this campaign is to illustrate in numbers of mailed letters the number of American who care about Natalee and her family. We would ask out Scared Monkey readers to take a moment out of their day.
Suggested text …
Dear Mr. Ambassador
America wants to encourage you to do all you can to help find Natalee Holloway by supporting the use of state of the art technology in the investigation, and continuing to lend other technical support to the effort. We all thank you very much for your help and for your concern.
Address:
Mr. Boudewijn Johannes Van Eenennaam
Dutch Ambassador to the United States
The Royal Netherlands Embassy
4200 Linnean Ave, NW
Washington, DC 20008
(On the front of the envelop put, “PLEASE FIND NATALEE”
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Family of Natalee Holloway starts letter writing campaign
By JAY REEVES AP:
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Trying to keep up the pressure to find an Alabama teenager missing in Aruba, relatives of Natalee Holloway began a letter-writing campaign Wednesday seeking more Dutch assistance in the search. Family friend Sunny Tillman said Holloway’s relatives are “very appreciative” of the aid already provided by the government of Holland and hope the country will continue assisting in Aruba, a Dutch protectorate. Tillman and others are distributing e-mails asking people to pen short notes and mail them to the Dutch ambassador in Washington. The suggested text reads: “America wants to encourage you to do all you can to help find Natalee Holloway by supporting the use of state of the art technology in the investigation, and continuing to lend other technical support to the effort. We all thank you very much for your help and your concern.” Tillman said supporters hoped the campaign would spread nationally. “We’re asking people to show they care by taking a minute and writing a note,” she said. Dozens of Dutch Marines have assisted in searches for Holloway, and a government spokesman said the troops were prepared to provide additional assistance.
Holloway, from the Birmingham suburb of Mountain Brook, has been missing since May 30, when she failed to show up for the flight home to Alabama after a graduation trip to Aruba. A Dutch teenager and two Surinamese brothers are being held in Holloway’s disappearance, but numerous searches of the small, Caribbean island have failed to turn up clues on her whereabouts. Holloway, 18, is an honors student scheduled to attend the University of Alabama this fall.
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Boycott Aruba! Chris are u there? I Yell Chris where r u?
I miss Chris — his Danish wife is a cheese eating heffer!
Checkme
Are you still around or did you houdini??
It’s tough communicating on this board…
I thinks it’s because they were turning off two previous pages. Cuà ©ntame algo …
Kitchen reasonably clean…lol You OK? Yday youseemed a little upset.. tell me… Did you get my yahooreply today?
Upset??? No I wasn’t upset. It was late here, so I was brief. That’s all. What time is it there???
Heard Beth threatens to go to the press unless she is given more info.
I always thought she knew more than the news we hear.
What would you like me to tell you?
Yes, I read it and I’ll follow your advise about not refraining. Whta’s going on there? Did you get a chance to read some gossip on the 1998 or 1998, about conducta de los progenitores??
Sounds like this case is becoming a brawl. This is going to become much more damaging than the factual dissapearance of NH.
We use cuà ©ntame algo, as a sinonym of what’s up.
You have reached the limits of my vocabulary… POING!
“progenitores”?
Says the 3 boys are witness’.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?q=1&&page=4651
post #4,656
pics of urine being transfered to another place…he is looking right at the camera on purpose and even turning his body to continue to stare at the camera as the vehicle drives away…what do you think he is thinking???
Has Aruba ever considered hiring a crisis management firm? I think there is still time to bring in communication strategists that will help handling this situation?
Hey In the Hallways? You there?
Padres
WAIT! You’ve got the name spelled wrong!
The Dutch embassador is Mr. Boudewijn Johannes Van Eenennaam.
To verify see http://www.washdiplomat.com/ambprof/netherlands.html
The proper way to address an embassador, for those who care about such things, is “Your Excellency”.
Voice analyzers are supposed to be in Aruba.
Don’t read much gossip Lucy, try to keep cool and see the truth as much as possible. Gossip blurs vision.
The only thing that stands out today is the fact that the procecutions is going back to the drawing board, back to the beginning, open all options. I think I have said that a couple of times. Hopefully our “theory” will also be looked at with an open mind.
Checkme, what’s your theory?
Saw the interview, Aruba looks dumber than before. What a joke of a country.
Why are there so many guys involved in this case?
I believe they have hired a media consultant at one point in time, from the ATA (tourism authority), to manage toe info-flow to the media. But I think after their first invoice they stopped this.
You think a crisis management team can still do some work here? Isn’t it too late for that?
Just heard Greta’s interview with the Dutch Media guy who interviewed Paulas VDS today. Very interesting, especially the revelation that he was not interrogated in the same manner as the brothers were. Said he was only talked to once for a statement. Also learned that PVDS is friends and co-workers with ALL the Government people involved in this case.
can you see me?
Yes you are right, it’s a waste of time to linger on the gossips. At the end of the day, I imagine what everyone really wants is justice, even if at the spur of the moment it is easier to want to lynch somebody quick.
I would hope the Holloways and twittys would consider a psychic to help in the search for Natalee . I think it is time. There is little time left before the scum bags gets out. If they can find a body they would have something to charge them with. Without a body there is no crime.
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Guess in Aruba, money and who you know matters way more than justice. I will never visit Aruba again.
Moose, in short, NH, located on beach, is expected by party of people, prepared for her, take her to Colombia, (maybe Venezuela). The connection between AUA and Colombia is obviously what is the “missing link” here. I believe they know about this link but expsing it will ping them and all hope for NH being alive will be lost.
Checkme
Ref. crisis management, I don’t think it is too late, because this will not go away that fast, and they will be longlasting effects, both internally and from abroad.
Jerry…i did read somewhere that they are accepting any info from psychic’s or anyone else…I heard that they do read these blogs and any info that is shared is taken to heart.
Ally, you there watching us???? We are going to hire a crisis management firm for you too. Please come back, we miss you.
Hi there to you too Dana
From a legal standpoint , they have nothing on the boys they would eventually have to let them go?
Ally was on earlier this morning…she was a little upset…seems that a troll came in and used her name and said some horrible things…she got pretty upset..but people who have been following this blog…even though we don’t do anything but sit back and read…know that the real Ally wouldn’t say those things…she is just too sweet.
The good ones want to be contacted by the family or the police?
I understand how this looks on from the US, I beg to differ, solely because we are dealing with human beings here. Let the one who hurt NH hang, if I get the chance I will hurt that person more than he/she can handle. However, we have a judicial system here in which I strongly believe. Justice based on the law, nothing else. Including politics, media, positions family etc. It’s very easy to scream “corruption” but much harder to stay the course and work the agreed upon system.
Checkme, am I reading you right? Is this for prostitution?
i AM HERE…
Southern
I know, I am just trying to encourage her to come back.
See Ally, Southern wants you here too, and your blog behavioralist and Miss Damita mentor is here too waiting for you to come back also. Right Checkme??
hello? can you see me? wait, maybe it’s because I didn’t introduce myself properly.
Hi, my name is richandfamous. I’m realy not rich or famous but on the internet I can be anything I want to be. I am a regular citizen of the us and I mean no harm. I just wondered if anyone can see my post because no one has ever said so here before. I just wanted to join in the conversation.
i am sorry, i was just very hurt that checkme believed that vulgar imposter was me…Lucy, mi tia, recibiste my e-mail?
Hi everyone.
Hi, Ally. The stuff about the crisis management firm for you is a joke, just in case….
Checkme, If this is human trafficking, don’t worry about how it looks from the U.S.
I heard there’s something going on in Wisconsin too.
Oh, now the program on TV is over and now we are good enough to join?
lol, just kiddin’, lol…
Ally, Kris, so good to hear you. Ally, how are you?
Checkme
Will you please let your best pupil know that you didn’t imply that she was the impostor that made the coment about the medication.
Ally
Yes, I read your mail. Did you read my reply??? If not, read it and stop it.
Ally, oh, it wasn’t you? hmmm… You sure?
hey richandfamous….welcome back Ally-really we do miss ya when you’re not in here bloggin…I have not formally introduced myself either….
Hi, my name is southernbelle73f….i am from Alabama and I am not new to this site…just have been reading a lot and trying to figure things out for myself…but from what i have seen the REAL people that post a lot are really faithful in trying to provide their views of what has happened and are trying in any way possible to help the Holloway/Twitty families.
okay, i am watching greta…the man she is interviewing said that Natalee had told Joran he was her”lucky charm”, Joran told him that she was dancing provocatively, and she was coming on to him. He told this man that she was doing drugs and she was drinking; he also said that he was drinkin (Jran)…he said they were driving around and she wAS SO OUT OF IT INCOHERENT–SO he took her back to the hotel and then she fell out of the car and went back to the holiday inn—which we know is a lie–also, he was telling his friends that she was missing before she was reported missing..
Hi Rich
I am compelled to ask if anyone sees this scenario as clearly as I feel I do……Natalee is still alive,and in Aruba–shortly to be transported off. She may infact have been moved from the original place where she was kept. I do see her at the “rave” of lorenzo–initially “foggily” brought there by jvs. The lorenzo is the controlling one. lorenzo is the “unsound” one .( The locals, the authorities all hesitate to confront him. He has pirate/robinhood/marquee power….)The dance soon became much worse,”…something very bad” lorenzo likes to film….jvs-arrogant little boy/brother leaves her there. The polis have searched there (according to simian),he is right….they found evidence–she was not there then. they questioned lorenzo. Tight alibi(?) PROBABLE CAUSE!!! He should be detained and questioned longer, harder,he may crack…..”unsound”.The COWBOYS need to search the lair…….soon,today…..
Checkme
You crack me up. You are now supposed to be serious about this thing …
Ally
What happened to I left her at the beach and walked back?
THis is good news, the new prosecutor seems really suspicous aboutr PVDS. I have a feeling he will be arrested again. I sure hope so, he seems very guilty to me.
southernbelle73f, thank gawd, I thought I was invisible! I feel much better now.
The pics I posted of Joran are really telling. IMO, he looks resigned to the fact that he has done something wrong and ruined his life. Maybe a little beligerant too.
ps; I’m from AZ.
Ally, What do you care what I think of you? What matters is what you know is True. If I don’t believe you that would be my problem.
If you accept that from me, then also receive this virtual hug. You are going through some rocky days. We are all here, happy to see you within our little circle. Me for one has been thinking about you during the day and looking forward to sharing some words with you.
Lucy, you are good.
Ally
Whos is Greta interviewing that has this direct version from Joran?
I’ve been saying this for a while now. Lorenzo is the link. Where is more information about the so-called belongings of Natalee that were found at his place??
Check me, i am astonished that u would even think that was me, i am so disappointed in u…southernbelle–thank you—that was very nice of u—i wish checkme was a loyal as u..lucy, i did not recieve your reply; however, i have returned because of your kindness and LOYALTy…..please educate the dear checkme—
I hate to hear that about Colombia. I have very dear friends from Colombia. One of them…my best friend…but she died a few years ago. She was a lawyer and Judge while she lived in Colombia. A very fine lady.
Was Lorenzo one of the guys that was called in and questioned and released?
Hey guys…I completely indulged my obsession with the rave party / country house / organized drug crime theories today. Some of this will be old news to some of you, but to others (like me) who weren’t that intrigued by the “Lorenzo” angle (or, alternatively, the organized drug trafficking angle) early on, you might find this interesting now that some of the more simple explanations are losing steam, at least as far as the courts are concerned.
I’ll be back to post quotes from other people’s older posts in a sec (if this thread stays open). But here’s a blog where I found a lot of interesting discussion - many of you are no doubt familiar with it already: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424188/posts
I found it by searching “Lorenzo” as a key word (I think) - but this thread contains a lot of non-Lorenzo stuff. Still, it covers a good bit of ground with regard to the alleged organized crime elements on Aruba as well.
What are the searchers from Texas saying now?
Lucy—i am not sure—they just say it is somone that knows Joran—hold on—i will rewind it..checkme–i care what u think, b/c i care abt u…why, i dont know b/c i dont know u, but u comfort me in a way that i have not been able to discover in a while=lucy, te adoro, southernbelle–u are such a sweetheart..
The tragedies that happen daily in Colombia should be in the media, maybe then the US would open their eyes a little more about what’s happening in their backyard.
ty ally…i think that you are too
Charles Croes—i dont know who he is—he said that a mutual friend of his called him b/c he has a celllular rental company and he wanted his help to see if any calls were made from a member of hi company
New girl, it seems that you and I are the only ones really pursuing this angle
Thanks for backing me up on this, you have my backing as well. Let’s turn this crap upside down because I am convinced beyond all doubt that Lorenzo is the key.
Mark Furman says Natalie’s death is marked by the timeline that the bros gave. They gave a time that they dropped her off so that they are not connected to a dead body but rather a live person. did that make sense? lol ….He said it better than I did. sorry
Checkme
But because you are dealing with people is precisely why crisis management experts could help. I am sure the governmental structures and their personnel have definetly suffered from enduring the stress of the events that have evolved since the crisis began. Crisis management is not about public relation imaging, but more about how to prepare those handling the situation to adequately address pertinent issues and events, from the stand point of what’s happening in the present, and forseeing what could come, to better plan, develop and execute a plan of action that will help obtain desired results, or prevent unwanted events.
Has Natalee been confirmd dead, or is that still speculation?
TnLady…Mark Furman is just thinking out loud like a cop. Just speculation.
OK. Thank you, Rich…
This guy on greta that is showing the tide charts for that night is shaking like a leaf. Is everyone down there nervous or what?
for some reason I feel like she was involved in some kind of “rave”…I’m not old (or in my mind I am not…some of you might disagree) but we didn’t have raves when i was in my teen years…or maybe we just didn’t have them in the little town in Alabama that i grew up in…but from what i gather it is a huge party and there is all kind of drugs that are involved…maybe Natalee slipped a “mickey” and she liked the feeling…dang I don’t know but some clues were given out that she was wanting to know what went on at the raves and that she wanted to go to one…I know if her younger years were sheltered by loving parents then she might have just got a taste of something that she wanted to know more about and went on her own free will….now should she have been left…NO WAY!!!!
Good to hear from you Kristin-in-SC! I have to close my browser windows to get out of husband’s email and into mine, but I will post everything I came across in a minute…
Kris, you got it!!!
Lucy, you see, they are starting to believe it now… I heard somebody on Holland on the phone today talking about this theory and the the prosecuters should explore this angle more agressively. International drug related crime is just way over the head of our local authorities. The true criminals seem untouchable.
he said that he went to the beach area instead of the HI like Joran had stated..there were kids there and he told them waht kind of car Natalee was in and the said, “oh, that is Joran”…so they drove to their houre…he says when he got there, (prior to that he notified Natalee’s mom)..he left the police station between 2:40-2:45 pm…they all ariced to the house and the police knocked on the door, and beeped their horn, they rexecuted police siren, anr then Mr. Van Sloot came out, he said he didn;t know where his son was…Mr. V said that he had picked up hi son earlier at McDonalds…then they went to the Wyndam Hotel, After they arrived they saw Joran wasn’t there…then they returnd to the Van der Sloot’s house..
Ally, you are a beautiful person.
I don’t hear much about Colombia since she died. Her sisters do have a web page that tries to get help in some way, I don’t know if it’s for the kids or exactly what it is…they don’t keep in touch.
was slipped a mickey*
what time did the kalpoe boys say they left her? and what time did they say they left her and Joran in their second version.
Ally
This thing is getting to be really funny. To discribe it, I would have to fill the whole page with LOLO’s (you know, the chat language thing).
Once again, Checkme comes to your rescue with his lessons. Tonight’s is on self-assertiveness.
Ya chica, disfruta este asunto y ya
I have not heard, factually, that she is dead
funny how sometimes things happen so that the good guys get rhown in jail and the bad ones are untouched.
The esquestrians said they had some lead to someplace that they were excited about searching tomorrow. Hope they have something up their sleave.
Ally, listen to Lucy. say; “I am a beautiful person!”
He said Joran and father, were both at the house and they said they would do whatever they could to help…he said that he knew Natalee from before and she had lost money and he helped her gamble more money and she won…and that she commended him for helping her, he said that she was coming on to him. this man said that Joran was uncomfortable while he was telling him all this…that she ws doing drugs that night…he then said they took her to the lighthouse and then he wanted to take her home…holiday inn—which we know is alie—between this time—is where i feel the crime occurred
Checkme
I have started to believe what? I lost track really. If you mean getting the true criminals, whomever they are, yes I do believe that now. The initial rush rush and punish feeling is gone now.
Who here think’s Natalee is still alive?
moosetracks, terrible how wondeful souls get destroyed in this world.
“Infinite complacency”, a sentence I heard in War of the Worlds. Awesome movie, must see people.
prosecutor says more arrests are possible! oh boy, smoke and mirrors…:::sigh:::
Check me, i still adore u—hmmm 500 miles??? i am so angry; h/e that an imposter messed with me…that bafoon…!!
Ally
Whos is the guy that is saying all this??? Steve Croes?? I don’t have Fox here, so please help me here.
I think that she could still be alive…anything is possible
moosetracks Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Who here think’s Natalee is still alive?
not me…sorry
Jerry;
….yes,questioned and released. He had an apparent “airtight” alibi.
1000 lies don’t need to be told to cover up a “missing” girl.
Every post I am about to make is copied from elsewhere - posted for its curiosity value, or in the hopes that someone out there will be able to develop facts out of this, but I cannot at all vouch for the truth of any of it - I have never even been to Aruba, nor do I know the Alabama folks who went on this trip.
I’m gonna start with the drugs / money laundering / corrupt people in power allegations - THE REST OF THIS IS NOT ME:
I have a different idea from House of Cards. I think they are desperately trying not to have revealed the extent of the criminality in Aruba and think the Casa Nostra is still involved, in particular that Culiano {spelling is wrong} family who have a foot in the whole area including Cuba.
I think nothing will fall apart other than for the people who had contact with Nat. The criminals are far bigger than this, far more vicious and entrenched.
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Yes, that thought crossed my mind also. You have much more info. about all the possible “players” and how really bad it is. I guess we are all surmising, but now realize it was not just VDS and Natalee and a little mishap, accident, or an interlude gone sour. It is a big freaking crime ring involved somehow.
Every post I am about to make is copied from elsewhere - posted for its curiosity value, or in the hopes that someone out there will be able to develop facts out of this, but I cannot at all vouch for the truth of any of it - I have never even been to Aruba, nor do I know the Alabama folks who went on this trip.
I’m gonna start with the drugs / money laundering / corrupt people in power allegations - THE REST OF THIS IS NOT ME (long article - I will break it up and state when I have finished posting excerpts from it:
“The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
“A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another.”
These documents included details of off-shore companies on Aruba, commercial transactions with companies based in Russia, Nigeria and Senegal, bank drafts and deposits. According to Jimà ©nez, the documents offered considerable scope for continued investigation. “”On Aruba for instance. But that didn’t happen … They have problems over there. Their intelligence service is penetrated by political groups and the Cuntrera’s have some first-rate relations on the island”.”
One of the Venezuelan banks the clan worked with, the “Banco de la Construccià ³n”, has an off-shore subsidiary on Aruba: the Intercon Financial Bank, through which a lot of money was channelled.”
Checkme–I know u are a beautiful person ask Lucy what I e-mailed her today—others,please be kind i wil post it here, I realize that this does not pertain to the case, and i emphatically apolgize…but check me here it goes, again others, don’t blof angry e-mails —-i have nothing but love for u all
No, tia..I do not mind your writing me, am quite happy that you have. I just read an earlier post that checkme left at around 3 or so, and he believed that the impostor was me and that was hurtful. It has been wonderful conversing with you all; it was quite a surprise for me, as this is the first time I had blogged. I know it seems silly; however, I really felt bonds forming and it really was wonderful for me..I was always eager to blog on and talk to you all. I live with my boyfriend and he works late; therefore, I am alone a lot..My girlfriends are incessant happy hour queens and I am tired of the scene so I choose to stay home. I have always been known to be a bit impetuous and a tad hot headed (yes…the Latin temper has gotten the best of me at times), but something about checkme always made me more peaceful. I can’t explain it, he calms me and makes me smile..and builds my confidence in myself, as do u. But now that I have read that he commented on the imposters words stating “ally” was a bit fuzzy last night, it supports the theory that he believed that impostor was me…and that was really disheartening. I do not like being implicated as a drug user, and it disturbs me that I even have to defend myself to this. I read people responding to me angrily, as they should have as those remarks were disrespectful and classless..BUT I did not write them…Thank u so much for caring amiga, I will miss you guys…Checkme believing that was me kind of in a weird way tainted the bond that I so held highly…You can write me anytime–Come see me when u visit Miami. Tell him thank you for making me smile the times that he did…Keep in touch.
So, the traveling detective possy (Beth, her husband, other family members, 2 cops, and the cell phone man) left the VDS house, traveled to the casino looking for Joran, found out he had just left for home, traveled to the police station (I think), and then returned back to the VDS home. I don’t know how long that takes, but from the time Joran arrived home and before the possy arrived back there that PVDS told Joran people were looking for Natalee and Joran concocted his first lie. He’s trying to make us believe that prior to that he didn’t know Natalee was missing…..
Every post I am about to make is copied from elsewhere - posted for its curiosity value, or in the hopes that someone out there will be able to develop facts out of this, but I cannot at all vouch for the truth of any of it - I have never even been to Aruba, nor do I know the Alabama folks who went on this trip.
I’m gonna start with the drugs / money laundering / corrupt people in power allegations - THE REST OF THIS IS NOT ME (long article - I will break it up and state when I have finished posting excerpts from it:
“The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
“A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of kasinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another.”
These documents included details of off-shore companies on Aruba, commercial transactions with companies based in Russia, Nigeria and Senegal, bank drafts and deposits. According to Jimà ©nez, the documents offered considerable scope for continued investigation. “”On Aruba for instance. But that didn’t happen … They have problems over there. Their intelligence service is penetrated by political groups and the Cuntrera’s have some first-rate relations on the island”.”
One of the Venezuelan banks the clan worked with, the “Banco de la Construccià ³n”, has an off-shore subsidiary on Aruba: the Intercon Financial Bank, through which a lot of money was channelled.”
Lucy, remember 2 or 3 weeks ago, when you, crs and kris were the only ones who believed me. Now we see that belief not being so crzy anymore. yes, you are right, the rush is out of this. That is what justice is about. Not just hang, hang the right one.
people I must leave you. Sweet dreams my angel Ally, think of me Lucy, keep at it Kris. Bless All,
Love and Light
I like that reporter from ARuba…Jossey, I think is his name
MYSPACE for JVS
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=632554160789741250
Lucy–he is just a guy whyo owns a cwell company that detectives wanted to know whether or no natalee made any calls
Continued: “The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
“A Smugglers’ Paradise
The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm’s trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. “”Yes, we are involved with that bank”,” says Croes. “”We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don’t know anything of their financial accounts”.” (70)
Hendrik Croes — a brother of the island’s legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm — is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
The Cuntrera’s must have felt at home on Aruba. The island has been a smugglers’ paradise, since colonial times, when it was used to evade the Spanish trade monopoly. Whatever disagreements Arubans may have — and they have a lot — this is something they readily admit. Even Prime Minister Eman acknowledges “”it is an island of smugglers … For years Aruba was the most important coffee exporter, while there is no coffee-plant to be found on the island”.” Aruba is also the biggest exporter of Philip Morris cigarettes and every imaginable kind of whisky. On Aruba it is all imported and exported according to the rules. What they do at the other side on the South American mainland is not the problem of the islanders. Legal trade or contraband, the difference is thin. “”A lot of families became very rich with this trade”,”says Eman. “”This went on for decades and it is an eh… accepted fact.”
Esto es una catarsis.
Just watched Current Affair about ex-boyfriend of Natalie possible suspect.
thanks new girl….i agree that this is HUGE!! And all the while the “lamb” is the “scapegoat”…. SAD that they would let a child (only 17) take the heat for all of this…I don’t care how big this crime mess is..as a parent I could/would not sit back and let my child take the heat for all of this…but then i guess a few years in the slammer ain’t that bad to pvds or any of the other leaders in this whole mess.
Continued: “The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
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“”Aruban traders built an extensive infrastructure in the Caribbean”,”one of their former employees explains — a network of warehouses, shipping-company’s, bank-accounts on Aruba, in the Panamanian freezone Colà ³n, in Miami. “”In 1983 the bolivar” —" the Venezuelan currency” —" collapsed on account of the debt-crisis, and the bills could not be payed to the Arubans any more”.” Then it really started. The smuggling economy needed re-structuring. The whole infrastructure was turned around: now it was used for cocaine trafficking and money laundering.
The US Attorneys Office in Miami gathered an insight in this pattern when, in December 1993, it indicted — among others — Aruban business-men Randy Habibe and Jossy Arends in its case against the La Costa Cartel. This ‘enterprise’ is accused to have smuggled some 80 tons of cocaine and 250,000 pounds of marijuana to the United States, and laundering some 800 million US dollars from 1980 onwards. (74)”
FBI- says that Joran they feel was involved, b/c of his willingness to help , being kind and not angry that he was implicated in a crime…he lied right way…prior to any questioning…he said that he would not providwe them forensic evidence b/c he was prepared—coached–possibly b/c of his dad..although he was playing to be helpful, he would not allow them to gether evidence without a warrant
Checkme
Is Jossy Arends related to Maxito???
HEY! MOOSETRACKS is fond of a featured member of the article I am posting excerpts from!
LOOK for this quote below: “Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, “Diario”. “”When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government”,”says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba.”
[moosetracks Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 10:59 pm
I like that reporter from ARuba…Jossey, I think is his name ]
Ally, we know how you write - from your heart. Plus, the kinship with Checkme will always sparkle. Most of us have been lingering about long here enough to figure out the inconsistencies of an an imposter.
Hey ,What about the ex-boyfriend theory? Nobody buying that? A diversion tactic?
Continued: “The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
“The Arubans managed the logistics. They brought in the precursor chemicals necessary for the production of cocaine out the coca leaves; they bought the planes and ships to transport the merchandise; and last but not least, they laundered the proceeds through the accounts of their import-export firms in the Aruban Free Zone, skimming a percentage for their services.
Habibe is not the only one. The 1994 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report stated that “”other Aruban families with connections to banks in Venezuela and to cocaine cartels in Colombia are strongly suspected of involvement in drug trafficking and money laundering”.”
THE MONSURS
The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team — Aruba’s national sport — the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.
Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, “Diario”. “”When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government”,”says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, “”their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”.”"”Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering “”has become a political tool to discredit them”.” (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family’s mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias ‘Don’ Mansur is the family’s whizz-kid.” [end excerpt]
Well, he seems to tell Greta more than the other Aruban reporter…why is that?
Greta was talking to Jossy Mansur the Managing Editor of Diario and she asked if it was true that chief of police was leaving his position. He said yes he was. What timing. Was it because he screwed up the case? It just gets better and better. What a disappointment this whole situation is turning out to be. I feel very bad for the Holloway & Twitty families.
MORE EXCERPTS FROM SAME ARTICLE [note the reported involvement of EL DIARIO reporter Jossy Mansur, Hendrik Croes, the law-firm Croes & Wever, where one of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes, whose brother is - YOU GUESSED IT - Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government)]:
“In Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Santa Lopesierra, the Marlboro Man. Every month Santa ‘re-invests’ 20 million dollar “”with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur”"”.” (78) Lopesierra is accused to have financed his election with the proceeds of drug trafficking and a car-theft ring. He is also reputed to be the man behind the Puerto Rico indictment. The activities of Mansur and Lopesierra, however, go well beyond this. They are accused of illegally funding the presidential campaign of Colombian president Ernesto Samper in 1994. Not only did Samper allegedly receive 6 million dollars from the Cali Cartel — an accusation he vehemently denies and ascribes to political machinations — it is said he also pocketed US$ 500,000 in cash offered by “”a group from Philip Morris and Interbank”.” (79)
The ‘Philip Morris people’ are Alex and Eric Mansur and a member of the Lopesierra Family . The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur’s still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguanà ¡ peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira. A ferry connects Punto Fijo to Aruba.
Maybe the Mansurs and the Cuntrera-Caruana clan first met each other in this remote part of the world. Nobody knows. (81) But they certainly have met on Aruba, according to several insiders and law enforcement officers. Venezuelan police-officer Guillermo Jimà ©nez states: “”I know they are connected. I have sent files about bank transactions between the Mansur’s and the Cuntrera’s to Aruba. But documents about the Mansur’s are kept secret over there”.” DEA-officer David Lorino is equally convinced and has connected the Cuntreras with Ruben Mansur. In his judgement, “”Ruben Mansur is a major-league dope-peddler”. [end excerpt segment]
War of the Worlds! Will wait for the rental. Tom Cruise is becoming a joke here.
I like Jossy Mansur also. Very truthful in what he says. I was just wondering if people are so afraid to come forward with information due to the fact that they might be implicated in knowing something about the case, they should contact his newspaper and give them the info to pass along to the appropriate parties (I don’t know who they are these days).
was there any of natalee’s ex boyfriends on the trip from MB? Does anyone know if there was someone from her hometown that she may have been seeing before the trip? If there was that might be something to think about. Just wondering because of some posts I have read lately talking about ex boyfriends.
Thsnk you chimes, good night,,sweet dreams, Lucy sleep with the angels…Checkme–u are always in my thoughts…i wish i could hug u—you’r kindeness towards me ignites me—Good night all, may God watch all over u tonight…and bring Natalalee home—Lucy, bendicion..Checkme—next time stay on line longer don’t tease, hon—Good night
THIS PART IS WORTH REPEATING: READ these excerpts, and note the reported involvement of EL DIARIO reporter Jossy Mansur, Hendrik Croes, the law-firm Croes & Wever, where one of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes, whose brother is - YOU GUESSED IT - Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government)]
Mansur struck a chord in me when I read it here, because one of our beautiful tipsters (Shango, I believe) mentioned this name at one point. I hadn’t ever heard it before the post from the tipster.
i wonder if people aren’t afraid to come forward because of the things that go on in Aruba…like they are afraid for their lives.
TK
Country Moon, she was on the trip, was asked if the ex boyfriend went on the trip and if I am not mistaken…i believe that she said that she could not comment on that right now but that it was a wrong direction…those were not her exact words but that was the jist of what she said.
New Girl, this information, however you obtained it is deep. I believe it. We are like the people behind the green curtain. Hopefully carrier pidgeons to those who may be lounging behind sunglasses here.
people don’t want to talk b/c they mite go missing too!!!
Continued: “The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997
“”"I wish this was true”,” Alfonso Caruana answered when the judge showed him a article claiming the Cuntrera-Caruana clan possessed 60 per cent of Aruba.
Most likely the “Corriere della Sera” took a short turn when it alleged the clan had taken over the island. The only ‘clan’ capable to own a considerable part of Aruba is the Mansur Family. Most observers do agree on that supposition. Nothing moves on Aruba without the consent of the Mansur’s: “”If you want to do business on the island, you have to deal with them”.”Probably the Cuntrera-Caruana clan took advantage of the vast opportunities which Aruba had to offer, linked themselves with local entrepreneurs who were in the same kind of business, and left when they became too exposed. But they certainly did not leave at the first setback, when their activities were disclosed in “Business Week” in 1988.”
New girl…i remember that….oh my goodness…weird!!!
TK
Go back and look at some of my replys ! FBI is investigating Natalies ex-boyfriend saw on Current Affair tonight!
southernbelle73, yes, earlier Country Moon mention re: ex-boyfriend - it was not a road to be be traveled. Something like that. Otherwise, she couldn’t elaborate anything.
Interesting footnotes from the author:
(81) In 1987, ‘a confidential informer’ told the Venezuelan newspaper El Mundo that the Government should start an investigation into the activities of Mansur in Punto Fijo. They would ‘find much interesting affairs’. (’El Gobierno debe abrir un investigacà on sobre actividades de Mansur en Punto Fijo’, “El Mundo”, 24 December 1987.) Mansur and El Mundo were engaged in a press-war since the Miami correspondent of El Mundo, Antonio Llano Montes, accused Jossy Mansur to head a gang smuggling cigarettes, liquor and televisions to Coro, and was implicated in the murder of Betico Croes, former Prime Minister of Aruba (’Desde Miami’, “El Mundo”, 10 November 1987.) See also: Brigido Marquino, ‘Inunda a Venezuela y el Caribe Contrabando del Magnate Mansur’, “El Mundo”, 21 December, 1987.
(90) I interviewed Attorney General Jan Zwinkels in June 1995. Although Zwinkels himself is Dutch, he was appointed by the Aruban government. Aruba has its own independent juridical system and apparatus, but often Dutch trained juridical personal head the office of the Public Prosecutor. Zwinkels had to leave office in January 1997 after a two year long battle with the Aruban government about law enforcement on the island. Mr Zwinkels prosecuted a little too diligent some business-men affiliated with Premier Eman’s party, among others the Mansur Family.
Hey everyone.
Newgirl and chimes: Feels like you are onto another piece in puzzle. newgirl: what’s your theory on how Mansur fits in?
Hey Luw, Que pasa con piquito Ricky?
Hey Ally and Checkme.
Where is Shango: So far I haven’t seen anything to discredit his information and investigation seems to be broadening to include this possibility.
So what country is this from? Colombia or what?
What does this have to do with Natalee?
moosetracks Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:14 pm
War of the Worlds! Will wait for the rental. Tom Cruise is becoming a joke here.
thx, that’s what I thought too! nutcase.
btw, your name…does it mean you like moosetracks icecream?
Newgirl, yes, I think it is possible that this case is very convoluted with a massive cover up by organized crime familes because of the “necktie” victim found last week.
However, I am also of the opinion that the simplest path is the right path. Joran is responsible for her death and his father and the two brothers are actively involved in some way. The lies were already set before anyone one even knew she was gone.
Dang…where is shango…he/she hasn’t been on for awhile…I think that yesterday, i think it was yesterday, that the quarrel between shango and simian wasn’t the real simian…since saturday or sunday they were kind of working together…I think that simian was a troll (the one from the other day that was fussin (for lack of a better word) with Shango).
Hello sub! We seem to be submerged in what goes on behind the scenes.
thanks southernbelle. So she coudln’t comment on whether that was a fact or not. That is also interesting.
I have read a couple of posts on here over the past week that stated that she may have been involved with another guy earlier that week. So I guess the whole jealousy thing could have come into play on that last night, if she left with another man (Joran).
I guess that it could be possible that one of her fellow travellers could have been into her more than she knew and maybe jealousy kicked in? Never know for sure I guess, but it is another possibility.
Rich,
No, I like Moose! I need to go North to see one! Decorated my bath with Moose theme..you know, rustic?
But I do like the ice cream too.
I thought someone stated here they felt Natalee was headed for Colombia or Ven.
it was mentined today on another site that shango may have been privy to the happenings
thank you rich ‘n famous…i remember reading that the “cuban necktie” was a sign sent that says…..keep your mouth shut…could it have been a sign for our 3 that are still in jail?
On Greta’s show, they said Joran was a witness……are they just holding those 3 guys to keep them safe from something else?
Subdude
Hi darling. Good to see you. Pequeà ±o Ricky practicing his trumpet lessons. Mambo 101.
Shango flew up to Cuba to recharge his batteries and to buy some candles. They are having a sale in Havana.
Ally came and went.
Checkme, you know how he’s been lately. Comes, touches base, and flies off.
link to entire article here: http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm
HEY…I didn’t even include the intro about the allegedly ‘corrupt’ former Aruban Prime Minister Elan…Isn’t the source of this info the man who has been interviewed on FOX these last few weeks? [ARTICLE QUOTES FOLLOW]
“The MPs of the Staten van Aruba — the Aruban Parliament — must have been bewildered when one of their own ministers smeared the good name of their island. Former minister Elio Nicolaas grins when he is reminded of his speech in 1989. (1) Finally someone had thrown a rock in the silent and complacent waters of the Caribbean tax-haven Aruba — a semi-independent part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. “”I had to react”,” he says. “”My own colleague, the Minister of Finance, denied money was laundered on the island”.” Nicolaas knew better. Prior to his political career he had been a police officer and had actually set up the anti-narcotics squad.
His denunciation incited strong objections in Parliament. Opposition-leader — and former Prime Minister — Henny Eman demanded his resignation. Nicolaas retorted by suggesting that Eman’s election campaign was financed with drug money. Nicolaas thinks today nothing has really changed: “”The island is still infested with ‘narco-complacientes’, people who benefit from the drug trade”.” Indeed, Eman is once more Prime Minister of Aruba.”
Moose…i have thought about that too.. like the only way to make sure they are ok is to watch them 24/7.
I believe what goes on behind the scenes will explain why there are no witnesses willing to talk about the LvR rave scene. That and the corruption/drugs are most likely interrelated.
Now how does the LvR/Mansur/some Aruban authority figure are dirty-thing fit in with her disppearance. Let’s say she’s there at this rave and “something bad happens” to her which is witnessed by this lovely group of people. Or perhaps some of them participated in the bad thing (kidnapping or murder), and/or filmed the bad thing, or did the bad thing in front of witnesses.
To me, the silence then makes more sense. No one narcs on the cartel unless they want a necktie like the guy who got his throat sliced.
BTW, how many murders in Aruba per year. All the sudden there is a missing US, a missing man, and a dead guy who was nearly decapitated — all inside a week or two. Something smells rotten in Aruba.
Seriously Arubans, any follow up on the neck guy and the missing guy?
Guys…I know I just vented last night…but I have to leave you guys to figure this one out…I am going to try to not check in…its too depressing and no one is willing to tell the truth…one last question…does anyone know the first time Shnago signed on…the date? There are soooo many people involved in this and PVDS saying in an interview he told the boys not to worry because there was no body…implies she is far away from Aruba either mid-ocean or in slavery somewhere…He needs to be arrested…how does he know there was no body…actually PVDS, JVDS, and everyone involved should be hung up by thier feet and beaten until they tell what they know…the TRUTH…but trust without this Karma is a good thing and it will come back to them…no one gets away with this…just look at the Mississippi guy that was just convicted of the murders he committed in the 1960’s…plus he had to live his entire life knowing what he did…times were different then and these guys won’t be so lucky to live in somewhat peace for 30 to 40 years…plus I already know people who have canceled their trips to Aruba so the economy will suffer immediately…maybe the VDS will become homeless since daddy gambles and can’t keep a job…JVDS will be lonely for the rest of his life…it would take a masacistic (sp?) fool to be involved with him…
Hi Subdude! Glad to see you here again!
there will be no follow-up if the mansur family is involved
Jerry
Please, which channel is Current Affairs on????
didn’t I read that they arrested a woman (girlfriend) of the beheaded guy for killing him? I thought that was posted on here within the past two days. That one was solved like the very next day.
Jerry
Please, which channel is Current Affairs on????
The guy missing in Aruba, is it the reporter?
subdude–u are late tonight, i am off to bed, I am ehxausted…if anyone posts under my name after this message it is the stupid imposter—send him/her to hell from me—have fun tonight sub—we missed u….if u see checkme–tell him- still adore him—no matter what—BTW—i think Joran and Papa were vehicles to a much bigger crime-
Good night Lucy, southernbelle, and others check me—te adoro, siempre…
subdude—get on during the day, man—lucy–thank u for being the mediator—cuz..i am in awe of checkme’s words…
From my recollection, Shango signed on 3-4 days (feels lik years now) ago. It was like, where did the “Shango” poster come from.
After reading everyone’s response for the last three days, it seems that the authorities need to check this lead with the lorenzo character.
Honestly, this sucks for Aruba. I have been visiting Aruba for the past five years, and I have always felt secure in both the tourist areas and the non tourist areas. Oh.. in response to one of the messages from the previous page…the people of Aruba are NOT dumb.! Just FYI: a large majority of the population are quad-lingual! How many languages do most of us speak in the US?uh…uh one! And we still do that half -assed!
Everyone just pray to G-d that she is found safe!
a current affair comes on fox here in my town.
…
buyme
The night that Shango was riddling, Babalà º asked him if the Sumerians that he mentioned were the Mansurs, especifically, if he was the person that had written the editorial. Shango avoided answering.
why does shango know so much?
nite ally…take care…no need to worry bout the imposter…we know the real you
Subdude asks: BTW, how many murders in Aruba per year. All the sudden there is a missing US, a missing man, and a dead guy who was nearly decapitated — all inside a week or two. Something smells rotten in Aruba.
REMEMBER when we (collective “we”) first asked these questions? Once it became obvious that people were (despite “we’re safe and happy! protestations to the contrary) getting killed on Aruba, the residents emphasized that there is no violence AGAINST THE TOURISTS - usually.
Which is probably true. But with organized crime influence in the police force, in government, and in the media (ALLEGEDLY), I doubt the non-tourists are all that well-protected…UNLESS they behave and keep the island’s secrets.
You all keep talking about this simian that talks in codes and others that were trying to understand all of it….I copied these posts a couple of nights ago to try and bring it together in my mind…then I went to bed because I obviously was deranged for even trying to de-code anything on a message board….lol
anyway, here is what picked out and copied.
*************
There are 3 vehicles.
The phone call made in the small hours.
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore.
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down.
In the other car.
Checkme Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 6:55 pm
1. Karpoes car
2. vdS Jeep
3. vdS family car
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.
Not even a confession will help.
One witness is not a witness.
The body is needed.
The phone call made in the small hours.
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore.
Only one piece is missing.
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say.
They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy.
The father was not there, but he knew what to do.
The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated.
The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.
they boys met around the pool in Montaà ±a.
Just got info the plane has arrived they are going to the courts
The fires burned high and bright.
Even Saint John denied he knew.
The smoke will clear soon.
The elder can’t deny.
The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue.
His sore and bloody tongue.
The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.
The Simian is leaving. There’s a doppelganger.
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.
The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. The though they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened.
The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.
Montaà ±a. Noord. Aruba.
What does the music man know? He was seen. He was mentioned by the boy.
The boy is biting off his own tongue. The Babylonians are stunned. What possesses such a boy?
Most federales have left. The puzzle is nearly done. The one piece is missing. They need the cowboys help.
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.
The boy knows his father knows the way. He’s been inside the palace for many years. It has worked before. This time too much is at stake. This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.
The music man is singing. The Simian can’t understand the words.
A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue. Swollen and thick. This boy is lost.
ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:08 pm
To my faithful believers:
This may be my last post. But I’ll tell you what’s going on. The younger VDS did it. No admission of guilt yet, but witnesses to prove. Awaiting DNA results to confirm will be soon. Two more possible arrests. DJ was the “Vessel”. Sorry for cryptic message, but my job is on the line. Still I remain true to you bloggers and the truth shall set us free. A mystery is only as mysterious as the mind allows it to be. Sometimes the truth is right in front of your face …
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
kristin Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:23 pm
i just heard a police cheif and friend of PVDS is involved and will be arrested? simian? shock?
The Babylonians gave free reign to the cowboys for a reason.
ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The one with the longest legs begs …
The Babylonians hands are not dirty.
ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:40 pm
Yes, something bad did happened. But it was an accident, it wasn’t meant to happen … as it did not happen on the beach as assumed, rather, it was in a house.
The Hindus are not completely clean, but the Babylonians need them.
The are only so many halls in the palace. The gates are shutting down, but they need to be kept shut.
Checkmate is in place, but the game is not over yet.
Some alibis need to be broken.
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was.
chimes Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 10:11 pm
Damocles: Greek courtier to Dionysius the Elder, tyrant of Syracuse, who according to legend was forced to sit at a banquet table under a sword suspended by a single hair to demonstrate the precariousness of a king’s fortunes.
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.
Again, the Simian has a doppelganger.
Can’t compromise the whisperer on the line.
Signing off.
Kristin-in-SC Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 10:20 pm
Doppelganger:
Meaning “double walker” a doppelganger is a shadow-self that accompanies every human. Only the owner of a doppelganger can see it, otherwise it is invisible to human eyes. Dogs and cats have been known to see doppelgangers. Providing sympathetic company, a doppelganger almost always stands behind a person, and they cast no reflection in a mirror. They are prepared to listen and give advice to humans, either implanting ideas in their heads, or a sort of osmosis. It is said to be bad luck if it is seen, and rarely a doppelganger will make itself visible to friends or family, often causing great confusion. Doppelgangers can be mischievous and malicious.
The Simian is sorry, but as long as there are impersonators there will be no more clues.
*************
the end…nothing happened and we are all still sitting here in the dark. hummmmmm
lucy - i think shango is not a phsycic as much as he is in the “know” about all the underpinnings of aruba and this case
Then I repeat what I said last night…Shangho or Siamian is the DJ (Steve Croes)…too much talk between them of spending 8 days in jail when they were arguing…happy we have these threads…first time I have ever vistied one but I do beleive they provide information to help a case…
i think that shango knows because he is close to the investigation…one way or the other
buyme:
Agreed and I think this explains why there hasn’t been any follow up into other areas, like the LvR rave situation or the kidnapping possibility. If I am trying to keep someone away from my dirty laundry, I keep the focus on JVDS, the Kalpoes, etc… and keep focus geographically on their stories and do not entertain other possibilities.
It stinks to high heaven. Prosecutors getting pressured to keep the investigation narrow. Police chief now retiring. Bullshit — he can’t take the heat that’s is ratcheting up.
I believe they are monitoring this and other blogs and realize that the focus is headed their way. The issue is whether worldwide media attention will create enough pressure to make Arubans investigate these two theories even though vested, underground interests don’t want it to happen.
Where is Shango? Where is Simian?
buyme
Shango has mostly repeated a lot of the comments that have been brought here by other sources, as far as the possibility of a kidnapping and the involvement by Lorenzo van Rijn. The fact that he gave it the misterious touch, and the guessing game, helped imaginations fly, plus he gave it additional touches, such as bringing mention of the Sumerians, Dirty Hand, the Shivas and all the other characters.
Shango/p1190/3:10PM?
Who said Joren was just a witness ??????????
i’m glad the police chief retired! that a-hole is probably one of the biggest obstacles.
dang y’all this is too wierd…..dang
Guys, does anyone know if ancient Sumaria was located where current Lebanon is?
i just hope for our sake shango is ok. he/ she could be facing some serious sh*t if THEY ever found out who he/ she was.
Subdude and buyme
But it has also been said here that at one point the Holloways’ public pressure on the authorities was a strategy to divert public attention away from Natalee’s true captors, to minimize the possibility of a murder due to fear of discovery. This was over a couple of weeks ago.
What are your thoughts on this?
Simian cannot be the DJ. Prove me wrong, if you can, but I do believe Simian was posting here while “the DJ” was locked up.
southernbelle73f Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
dang y’all this is too wierd…..dang
LMAO………southerbelle, you are a might quicker than I was…took me hours to throw my hands up.
Shango & Simian in my opinion were just here trying to keep the people on the boards all up in arms. Having fun using their minds to rule everyone elses thoughts about what is going on. It was a game to them. Both of them are very intelligent you can tell by their words, but they both made predictions that obviously did not happen and now POOF! They are missing in action. JMHO
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I have followed this very closely and I think that the original story about taking Natalee to the lighthouse is true and that something happened to her there and she was either dropped in the ocean or somehow hidden in the lighthouse area. She was either murdered or died from a drug overdose. That was their original story, (of course they made up the part about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn to cover their butts). I think after PVD got a hold of them he told them to change their story because he did not want authorities going to the real scene of the crime because there could be evidence and maybe even a body in the area. If is true that PVD and the three kids had a talk, then he probably told them to change their story to the one about the beach at the Marriott to throw off everyone. I say they should concentrate on looking around the lighthouse. Does anyone know if there is a sheer drop off or caves in the area?
the reason that I think that Natalee might still be alive is because Shango/Simian said (not in these exact words) that JVDS knew her, the brothers knew her but the (can not remember what word he used) knows her….meaning that she was still alive…but then that was a few days ago…but i still hang on to the fact that she could still be alive
LUCY is totally right, actually. I found blunt accusations of the things Shango was hinting at when I searched beyond google ‘to the “deepweb”‘.
Lucy said:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:41 pm
buyme
Shango has mostly repeated a lot of the comments that have been brought here by other sources, as far as the possibility of a kidnapping and the involvement by Lorenzo van Rijn. The fact that he gave it the misterious touch, and the guessing game, helped imaginations fly, plus he gave it additional touches, such as bringing mention of the Sumerians, Dirty Hand, the Shivas and all the other characters.
Tk agreed, poof
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lucy - i don’t know. i just don’t know. i think she may have passed. but i don’t know. and if they never find her and she is alive, would that be a better scenario?
oh yeah and shango mentioned havin a handicap of 12….now i looked on a map of aruba and there is a golf course near the lighthouse and then there is a mini golf course in Oranjestad….someone made mention of a bird too…and their is a bird santuary in Oranjestad near the mini golf course….wonder if Shango was talkin bout one of these places?
hi all. i’ve been following the disappearance of natalee for about three weeks now. it has only been within this past week that i have come across the “front of SM site”, i’ve been a poster on the natalee forum since i’ve been following the story.
new girl, i think you are on to something with all the information you have dug up. i also think you should contact greta van sustren with your info. and i know a lot of you discredit the whole “shango” thing, but i think he/she is on to something. i think he/she was either witness to something or has some sort of insider info. i do find it very interesting that the head of polis’s contract will not be renewed.
also, listening to mark furhman tonight made me think of lorenzo. especially the part about having an airtight alibi.
i also am starting to believe that joran is being held by the authorities to keep him safe - safe from lorenzo and his cronies.
thanks for reading.
I believe it was Greta’s show….someone, maybe her…said Joran was a witness.
I was reading this and listening to her…..
Mafia, rave parties, idle chit-chat, and jerking off. This used to be a good board. It’s total crap now.
I think the boys of Aruba are enjoying this…and I agree they could be making all this up…but the 8 days in Jail is odd…it’s that how long Croes was there? I am just tired of being played with..we ALL know someone knows what happened…and no one will come clean…it would be so easy..so easy…
Steve Croes is definitely guilty of something here……….
He states on his own that the BOYS dropped NH off at the HI, walks right into the POLIS station and makes that statement, which comes back later as being NOT TRUE……..
He knew exactly WHAT to say cause someone called him and told him TO DO IT…
If the car THE BOYS used looks like a TAXI u can bet that they played this game before……….
Something really STINKS
Per Shango, Dirty Hands is the police chief who is now retiring. Coincidence?
remember that before Simian & Shango we had another insider feeding our minds. “Shock” was also a very intelligent person who had most everyone on this site feeding of his/her every word. Had us believing that he/she had the inside scoop!
Then POOF! Shock was MIA too. Do you think they were all taken captive because they were getting too invloved and close to the truth? Maybe the Arubian government lead by PVDS had them all kidnapped so that they couldn’t post on this board again. 
I think they were all just really smart people who played a very nice game with all of our minds.
ALSO (do I need to throw on a tin hat here?) I believe that there are a bunch of new people here trying to divert attention from this line of inquiry and engage others in conversation about:
(a) TOTALLY nonsensical theories (Nat’s folks killed her in cahoots with Nat’s exboyfriend because ex was jealous and $2 million was available to mom & dad); or
(b) OLD, obvious theories that they would really like us to stick with please (”Joran did it, Joran did it, Joran did it, Joran did it - STOP asking questions anymore, we’re giving you a culprit here!)
The best possible damage control for Aruba would be if they never find her and just leave the possibility that she is alive and elsewhere. Can’t let that happen.
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I think Shango is Simian.
Sooz, I did see that pix. I wasn’t aware the moose died tho….poor thing!
oh dang….subdude…that is right…that is what they kept talkin about bugaloo…or whoever guessed that one correctly and they made mention several times about lookin at that 12:30 post…wow…dang!!
the damage is done…
Finally, a few minutes to see the blog. First, I do not know exactly whom Charlie Croes is but ………………………………………….Interesting how twisted and spinning these lies are gettting. The Polis chief VAN Der Stratten (my guess is possible DH) is leaving around the 10th to 15th of July. His contract is up. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Trapenberg was getting all irritated at Bill O’Reilly tonite. BOR is right though. Aruba should be picking up some of the tabs for all this. The possible crime was possibly committed in Aruba.
What bothers me right now are the statements I heard this morning about how American media, American people and American blogs are damaging their country and we are causing concern for the Aruban economy. No, Americans did not do this.
Most of us are not out to get the entire populus of Aruba, or even a small part of them.
We want Natalee home. We want the answers. Most of all, we want her home, we want her family to have closure and most of all we want to provide Natalee peace. Alive or passed.
Many have made statements about Americans, how we are, how rude, bad, arrogant,
overbearing,pushy,stupid and so on. Yet, it seems they like our “AMERICAN TOURIST DOLLAR.” Otherwise, how could anything we do or say affect them. They want us to turn our back on Natalee, say it is her own fault and continue spending vacation dollars in Aruba. Well, let the cry of its people be heard to its government
and to the “Hague” and to the Dutch hierarchy. Let them know you do not want your livelihoods spoiled because Americans want one of their own home.
The other thing that truly bothered me was when a “Fox reporter” said that it was unlikely due to privacy reasons that the DUTCH government would allow other international or American agencies come in and work with getting some answers.
That sums up alot. Apparently, they want their cake and to eat it too. That is arrogance at its highest. Do not be upset if the people that want Natalee home, encourage others to redirect their vacation dollars to other places including our own
vacation places, such as Hawaii, California, Myrtle Beach, Florida, Catalina Island, Puerto Rico and so on. It is not to punish the Aruban people but to make a stand on what has been made a “cover up” “conspiracy” or just another “keystone cop” dysfunctional government situation.
Natalee is still on that island. She is waiting to be found. There are more lies than truths right now. After Greta’s airing tonite, it confirms certain things. The very strong possibility that she is on land. She is there.
Natalee had a very bad night that night, but not of her own doing. The confusion,
fuzzy, the laughs, bad laughs. The smell, a smell of sweat, dirty sweat, piggy male sweat, smoke(from a fire, bonfire, smoking)stale smell. Smell of uncleanliness, of bo.
Pungency on the hot breath. Others, sweaty. Voices, not understanding, unclear.
Not her words. Tears, bloody taste in mouth, what………………vomit, confusion.
Why? What did………………..Please, lord.
No one can imagine what Beth or any of her family are going through. Let alone what she has been through. This is no longer a matter where some of you need to get on the blog and say nasty things about Natalee, her family, America or her friends.
I believe the dogs may help in the rocky shadows or in the place of rocks in shadows.
I also think that if they could get a duplicate of Natalee’s license sent down to the Aruban polis and just have them say to the boys, what looks like this is the only thing Natalee carried out of that hotel room with her. Say nothing more or nothing that could be construed as entrapment, they might be able to break Satish. I believe that piece of evidence might have been missed by destoyers.
I also believe if they could find a girl looking very similar to Natalee, very close to Natalee and dress her in clothes similar to what she had on that night and had her walk through the jail, no words, no talking, nothing, and had all three boys in separate interrogation areas and this girl walk by, several times, it might spook one of the boys into talking. They might be so excitable they say something about what happened.
TO where they thought she was. There are no laws against someone walking through
an area not involved with them,but maybe a possible witness. Surely, not even in Aruba.
I wish she were already located. She needs to be found. She needs her mom. They need peace.
hi everyone! simian was on earlier here is his post
Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:29 pm This one Babylonian is a sure shot. The boy and the Hindus are closer than you would think. They believe all of their fingers are burned. The Babylonians think she’s on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.
there is one before this give me a minute
So, I wonder who is going to retire next. TK, indeed, where are they now?
I am maybe going to get rude now.
RstJ Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:53 pm
Mafia, rave parties, idle chit-chat, and jerking off. This used to be a good board. It’s total crap now.
RstJ- WHO the fuck are you, and who cares if you are bored?
Could Lorenzo have gotten Steve Croes (DJ) to come up w/ that ridiculous story?
the arrogance of Aruba…good luck to you guys…I am going to ruin my business if I keep checking in…has anyone heard from Yliana lately????
I too am going to bed…will check in tomorrow.
anyone know where I could get the interview that the parents gave to the dutch tv station?
They said it was about an hour and that they gave their permission to air it.
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first entry
Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.
I find his info interesting, not always right, but interesting
I am american and I love my country to death. But I attend to agree with the aruban government for calling for help. The media in our country is totally out of control. I think that they are really damaging to innocent people on a daily basis. In this case it happens that they are trying to switch focus onto this country and attacking it for no good reason. Like our country is crime free, drug free, or corrupt government free?? lol Please don’t try to play that role. They are making this into something that it should never have become. Attacking Aruba and its people will not help bring Natalee home and it will not make the police there find out who is responsible any faster.
I will move on and post the purported “Lorenzo” posts I found today. There aren’t any Lorenzo links, because (silly ALLEGED drug dealing gang rape video dog killer guy - this dude didn’t have a tickle site. Imagine that.)
I have my own opinions about the possible connection between this party host, Shango’s hints, the alleged polis chief alibi-breaker and the all