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Before you watch Greta … see what Friend of Monkey has to say about her conversation with Mickey John.
I just got off phone with Mickey John.
Greta was at his house today and he may be on tonight.
I asked him if Deepak told him, he said “I never should have left her with Joran”
HE SAID NO, NEVER.
Deepak did say to him that he and Saish dropped NH and Joran off at the Marriot after he lighthouse. Then Deepak said he and Satish went home.
The whole thing he said about Holiday Inn was a lie that the VDS “family”
made up and asked Deepak and Satish to agree to. As far as what Deepak meant by the VDS “family” he doesn’t know if it includes “Tom Dick or Harry” to quote Mickey John. Also Mickey did believe that Deepak was telling truth. Deepak was sorry to have supported the family lie as it landed him in jail.
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Lord, just give the family resolution to this sordid affair.
Then why were they washing their car at 2 am?
Lucy!!! Your words!!! LOL
After seeing Natalee’s hotel room, her mom showing Natalee’s passport, I felt a chill deep in my bones. I am not “seer” but I do very much believe in the Lord. The feeling I felt was one that Natalee is no longer with us amoung the living
I wish I could have felt something else but I did not and I am crying. I cannot explain why her story has drawn me to the this website and kept me on pins and needles, starving for more information. I pray that some resolution or that at the very least that her family and friends may find some sense of peace one day. I also pray that if Natalee is by some miracle alive, that she will find her home one day.
God bless you Natalee and your family.
Hi check
Any news?
Which ones? Here or there?
Kristin, your post is so sad. Let go let God. It is heartbreaking to hear you talk. If we did not have blogs, who would you have shared these feelings with?
SGC claims he does not know *any* of the boys. He is so full of SH*T!!! He is so guilty, it is POURING off of him.
Lucy, lol, here, indian name…
When was this shown Kristin?
and then the sorrow turns into anger…
Never mind.
Anna- if you move over to this thread…
I’m checking out the photos from that raver site. I’m thinking, though, that there HAS to be ONE Aruban here who has seen Lorenzo and knows what he’s about. Why is it that Joran has his supporters but Lorenzo is “underground”?
Can’t anyone get the US media to find this rave house or this Lorenzo and start asking questions?
Lucy it was just shown on Fox..not meaning to answer for Kristin…/hug Kristin I feel the same its really sad
There is undoubtedly much that the investigators have not leaked to the press. For instance, the complete results of their search of the VDS home, phone call and email logs…
I find it difficult to comprehend that three or four amateurs (or at least, not hardened criminals), including three teenagers, could pull off some sort of perfect crime without leaving a heady trail of evidence, one or more breaking down under interrogation, or leaking details to someone else.
I told myself I would not continue to follow this case, as a) there are far more pressing issues in the world, and b) the media has turned it into a ratings bonanza, profiteering off a family’s tragedy.
But it is compelling if for no other reason than there are almost no answers almost a month later.
Is everybody, but Lucy and I, watching Fox?
this whole thing is very sad. i can’t imagine what her mother is going through. I have a 9 year old….and though I will make different choices with her than Ms. Twitty did with her daughter, the love a mother has for a child is so strong; that you would give your life for them. I just wish that Natalee’s family would be given some peace.
I pray every night that Natalee is found.
Good Night everyone; and I hope tomorrow is a brighter day.
@ Checkme. Yes, I am sad. I am sad because I know first hand the pain her family feels. I know of the dispair and desperation they felt because I was missing for 10 years by my own choice. I was angry with my parents that I left and never looked back. I did not think of the pain they must have felt until I finally forgave myself and my parents and made contact. I pray to God that her family need not wait as long as mine did to get an answer. My mom, like Beth, never gave up hope that I was alive. She says that because she was my mother, she could just *feel* it inside that I was alive.
I do not for a minute believe that Natalee left on her own free will. I believe that while she may have left C&C voluntarily, whatever happened from that point on was not by her choice.
God have mercy on those that brought harm to Natalee.
blue water
Also, why is it so difficult to find solid information about the other missing person in Aruba and the beheaded corpse found in a cemetery? I would think this would be bigger news on a small island with relatively few murders. Who is this “Lorenzo” you speak of, and why has his name been mentioned over and over.
Is SGC the Croes guy released yesterday?
IF Dan Rhiel’s latest posts are verified, then Joran and the Kalpoes passed lie detector tests about everything EXCEPT where they last saw Natalee. Now, this could be complete BS, but it also could be that our tipsters were correct, and the Kalpoes last saw Joran and Natalee NOT at the beach, BUT at a rave house, and Joran last saw Natalee when he left her there “with the lions.”
Hope & Kristi
Don’t know what to tell you. Beth must be devastated.
NewGirl: My feelings, too. All those people (and I think SCroes is the dj but he looks heavier there) seem to travel in the same groups and go to the same parties. Someone has to know what happened. Maybe nobody wants to be implicated in something larger, or in her disappearance. Sorry it took so long to get here; my cats just had a fight and broke my work laptop lcd screen!
I’ve just been an observer for weeks watching y’all. I moved over to Riehl World yesterday to keep up with you. I live on the west coast (CA) and believe me, we are all keeping watch. What concerns me is the length of time the “boys” were given to cover up any evidence. As a Mother, I cannot imagine what this poor woman is going through. We are only hoping for the best. I thank you all for your input. God Bless.
Thank you Kristin.
Oyster, I’ll cut and paste a post I made at the end of the 1197 thread…hold on..
Checkme
We don’t have Fox here, so I usually read the transcript and the Greta blog. Was this on On The Record, or another program? Also, do you know if SGC was on Fox, or in one of the networks?
My gosh, why would anyone disappear for 10 years (KRISTIN!) and not tell her mother! What a demon you are! Also what the heck is it with BLUE WATER? Are you sleeping with I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS?
Sorry guys – but this is kinda long. Skip if you’re not curious about Lorenzo:
The following are cut-and-pasted Lorenzo-related posts from the past (and the last two are purportedly from a psychic rvmaui:
According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.
Per AmericaninAruba:
The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.
A poster from Aruba on Scared Monkeys is claiming that in addition to SGC, there was another guy detained yesterday. This other guy, Lorenzo, is known to be wild and crazy, especially since his father killed himself a few years ago, according to the poster.
The other person, a “Lorenzo” who was allegedly questioned yesterday, is a crazy dude whose father owned the local VW dealership but the father offed himself a few years ago.
the lorenzo character – hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here….but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness…
teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) – i have no idea!!!
The lorenzo guy reportedly has connections to drugs and parties. The
Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don’t think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party”. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.
This “Lorenzo” kid’s name was mentioned from the very beginning..In fact it is the first name I heard when this whole thing started…. My guess is that he must have been involved with her sometime during her trip, and that they are now bringing in EVERYBODY that had come in contact with her…. (from what I hear, “lorenzo” is ONE troublemaker…… )I don’t know him, but I know he has had problems with the law before…..something about a fight at one of his parties….can’t remember the details…
does anyone one remember the first couple of night we were all talk ing someone said basically, “when this all shakes out there are going to be major ramifications, there are ppl involved that are high up”.. and it aint gonna be pretty….sounds like this guy knew something about the actual crime…this was post in the other area before we had this forum.. does anyone remeber and also, do you know who this might have been…
I don’t know if his name is Lorenzo or not…
But from the very beginning “the son of an ex Vwagen dealer” was somehow involved….. He was the first one mentioned….
rvmaui
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: missing girl
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Blue Volkswagon. maybe van or sedan?
High Road.Dead End. National Park
black plastic bag. moist in a dry area.
2 bulders.
leg twisted back.
Thats all i got.
I’m a little sick now.
I hope they find her.
rvmaui
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: missing girl
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A bird could lead the way to the location of her body. or a bird watcher.
what I mean by moist in a dry area, or what I see is an area that is normally dry and water some times splashes or drips on the location.
DNA to be found in a blue volkswagon? not sure I see a blue hatchback of a vehicle with the emblem of volkswagon I think. not blood.
I could be full of shit.
Yliana……………Would you happen to be here?
Lucy,
Movie with Tom Hanks…
Hope
Can you check the 10:27 post, please? Your name was supposed to be there also.
I pray for Natalee every night. This is driving me to the proverbial drink.
But normally, especially with younger people, someone would crack, someone would break down under guilt, fear or coercion and tell something. Perhaps this has happened, and perhaps the Aruban government is wiser than we think. If FOX News were swarming my town, turning it into its own private stage, muckraking for muckratings, I would probably give them as little information as possible.
Hopefully they will solve the case and FOX will have been way off.
About linguistics, he started writing “with an accent” and eventually, a few lines down became fluent.
Yes, oyster, but when in the name of beejeebers is ARUBA GOING TO SOLVE IT?
Checkme? Lucy?
Did anyone just seet he interview with the security guard?
There are few people who fall outside a family-social-control circle here in Aruba. LvR is one of them. I have mentioned this on multiple posts from the beginning.
Lucy, we don’t have Fox here either… That’s why we were the only ones for a while.
Where is shango?
The media………ALL the MEDIA needs to go……….
Ally! WE heard you were mugged. I always heard Miami was dangerous
Ally,
Yes dear, we are hear. Sorry to hear you were mugged yesterday. Did you get your license.
I can’t believe the only thing at this point we are hearing from ARUBA IS THERE reputation. my perspective on this and I have many like all do. is ARUBA and the netherlands have deep issues. And I PRAY TO GOD that a AMERICAN CHILD as NATALEE IS NOT being used as a pawn between the two. Natalle is a human being who is missing the human race not just america want to know why? to think about your lost money ARUBA at this point tells alot of common sense folks not just AMERICA where your prioritys are. NATELLE is MISSING ARUBA we want her home. SO simple. FIND HER GIVE HER BACK NOW. JUST FIND HER FIND HER FIND HER.
What about the 10:27 post?
Hey you ally, read your posts. Missed you too. Now I have to worry every damn day you go to work???
Wanted to know if the SGCroes interview was also on Fox. Thanks.
MickeyJohn said that Deepak said that told him that Joran and his family (not his father), he said family told them to say that they took Natalie back to the Holiday Inn
I read somewhere that he was paid not to… But after last posts I think that was a dud.
What’s the matter Lucy?
buyme
Shango is sacrificing a goat and a cock, to get his power and inspiration for the night.
Got a 2 X 1 at the Voodoo Convenience Store.
Brenda-AMEN!
it is unbelievable to me that they are so worried about tourism! Hello, If you fixed the problem…you wouldn’t have no need to worry! We just want Natalee found. I am sure though after this alot of people (me included) have had my eyes opened by this in regards to international travelling. Aruba is definately the last place I would go to.
So they did not leave her at the beach. We’d figured not, right? Wish we knew what the questions were — but Joran leaving her somewhere else would explain why he hasn’t broken in interrogations and “confessed” — or failed any question regarding harming her, if those types of questions were included.
Who is Greta taking to right now – Arlene — what is her title, if anyone knows.
Ok if he said ‘family” wouldnt you think taht would mean more than just papa vds or is there anyone else besides the mom that would fit into said ‘family”?
@ scaredsh*tless – Think of a lot of anger and pain. I never knew my dad, just my stepdad. While there was no sexual abuse, there are emotional and mental abuse that I suffered. The day I vanished was the day that my mom told me that she was spending the rest of her life with him and that I had my own life. So off I went. I take offense to being called a demon. There was not a day that went by that I did not feel guilt and as the years piled on, the harder it was to contact them out of fear of punishment. My family is at peace finally though one of my brothers refuses to acknowledge that I exist because of all the pain I caused my family. No mother should have to suffer not knowing where her child is. This is why this affects me so much.
that aruban lawyer was pretty hot
Shango has more sense tham to bring a bunch of newbees into this at this late date…MJ is full of IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I was…never thought Miami was dangerous, thought I was invincible until yestersday….I will never stay late at work again…It was very violating…
thanks SS, for the concern—glad to see that u are on here…………….
checkme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad u are here…missed u to pieces
Yes, that’s what was said at Greta’s blog in ref. to yesterdays programmed interview, but Hope and/or Kristin refer to it up above.
That Arlene lawyer from Aruba is strikingly beautiful. But that Marianne Croes person is a nerdy yuck……
People, I must leave you… Still have to do some things in the house… very sorry. Hope to cu tmrw. Amor i Luz
The hints from the tipsters and the early rumors about Lorenzo made it sound as though Lorenzo was psycho and potentially violent. Subsequent hints were that he has slaughtered dogs, that he was getting friendly attention from Natalee during the first 3 days of her vacation (because he seemed cool and crazy), and that he got pissed off and jealous when she began paying attention to Joran. I believe also that Lorenzo is 5 or 6 years older than Joran and rumors say he has buddies in the drug and police realms. Oh yeah, and it is rumored that LORENZO, and not Joran, is featured in the video of the gang rape of the 14 year old girl.
These things may explain why nobody is speaking. If I was a teenager in-the-know, I wouldn’t risk my neck going up against a corrupt police official and his psycho-dog-slaughtering-Natalee-raping-and-slaughtering-gang-rape video-making buddy. Especially if it also meant possibly busting my friends and also getting myself in trouble with the law / my parents for taking drugs or hanging out at illegal drug parties.
Poor Poor Pitiful K in Sc……get real, this is…….
blue water
Arlene is cool. Maintain respect, I know her very well.
Kristin, it takes a lot of courage for u to disseminate this info on this blog, i would not judge u as no one can attest to what you have endured…all i can see is that i am glad u found your way here and we will support u on your way back to happiness….kisses to u, my love
Ally – you are one intelligent lady! Kristin from SC: my husband ALSO had a mom who chose his stepdad over him ! She kicked him out (her son that is). But run away? NEVER! That is a horror you put on your folks, much like suicide. At least w/suicide they have a body to mourn over. I have 2 teens…to me, that is a horrible thing you did to your Mom!
no doubt scared, no doubt. . . ever seen the movie Spartan? I’m thinking NH was trying to end her trip on a high note, got herself into a situation that got out of control, was possibly drugged and who’s telling where she is now. Bottom line, unfortunately I don’t think this is going to have a happy ending – hope I’m wrong.
Checkme, I meant no disrespect to Arlene. Just wondered what her last name was and title because I missed hearing it when out of the room! No opinion on her whatsoever.
Checkme
Boy, you are really spreading yourself thin lately …
Why don’t we try this again?????? Where is NH?????
Oh no, Checkme, don’t go! I’m sad. I wanted to ask more about what you meant by this: There are few people who fall outside a family-social-control circle here in Aruba. LvR is one of them.
Checkme….dont go, i have waited all day to talk to u
blue
Lucy–What?
Dana, that’s getting annoying
Who knows when. To family, friends and acquaintances in her hometown I can see how every hour, every day without a development, without progress, without results drags like an eternity. To the rest of us, we have been duped into a 24-hour cable drama. Notice how, when they discover potentially revealing information, they will tease it all day, only to reveal what turns out to be a minor new twist of words or events in prime time. We remain glued to our sets, they remain utterly dependent on stories like this to sell advertising to the Viagra folks.
Dana dear..Why you say blue water? You need to replace my fat Danish woman?
Just wondering if the Steve Croes interview was also on Fox tonight.
I am sorry Lucy… movie, tom hanks?…
I have been spreading myself very thin with a lot of things. Blogging is completely new to me and I am completely addicted our little space here. I am very tired, dishes are stacked up to the ceiling and now Ally is missing me? How am I supposed to leave?
newgirl – what inside scoop does arlene have – what does she think happened?
Newgirl — a site you might like to read in light of your cut-n-paste about Lorenzo and the psychic stuff. Reading your post gave me the willies, because of a few statements on this site someone posted at another forum:
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Look for “hall way” and “look up! look up!”
luv u hallways
I Yell Chris and DANA belong together…they are both NUTS
Why don’t you girls go back to Yahoo and TRY to find a room you like??? This is serious here and we want serious input
scared – leave Kristin alone! What she did as a teenager, and her reasons and feelings, are in the past. And you should not say such mean stuff to her. Her family has made peace with her to the most part, and that is good.
Lucy, could not get my license damn long wait…I am angry, though i order it on line—it takes 7 days…and i am going away this weekend and I always get carded—so hopefully, my birth certificate will be enough…
I am also melancholy, b/c i HAVE WAITED AALL DAY TO TALK TO CHECK ME and he left me ;-(
Do I detect 2 romances? One between Ally and Checkme and the other between I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS with “blue water” intoxicated Dana?????
@ Ally thank you for your words, but I am not here for me, I am here to support Natalee, her family, friends and the rest of us that are more concerned about her well-being than the all-mighty dollar. The Natalee bashers here have to be amoung the lowest forms of life that ever emerged from the slime we came from.
@scaredsh*tless, you do not need to remind me. I know the pain I caused and I will spend the rest of my life regaining their forgiveness and respect…as for my mom, she is just happy to have resolution.
God, please bring resolution and peace to Beth and her family. GOd please also watch over Natalee wherever she may be, alive or not.
@ the rest of you, please, no more about my vanishing act. I have enough guilt to live with as it is.
Dana: Apartments?
I think Dana is a fish who misses her blue water
new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
That’s what I meant.
Dcburgh, I don’t believe I mentioned Arlene. But from other posts here it sounds like she’s a Beautiful Aruban attorney who was just on television
I knew an Arlene who had FAT CALVES
C’mon, guys, I am supposed to be writing my resume as my family is furious b/c of what happened to me yesterday and want me to transfer ASAP, and what am I doing? writing u guys…i am addicted to..neber blogged before this past month and I am addicted also…and I adore check me—he makes me want to be “a better woman”—in the words of Jack Nicholson—As good as it gets!!
Yliana…talk to me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
I am in love with radio talk show host, age 79, BOB GRANT but here I sit, alone with my p.c.
new girl – my bad, meant for checkme
Wow, checkme. The guy sounds like trouble. Where’s LvR’s mother? Is she out of the picture?
what have the psychics stated about this case? any insight?
checkme – what inside scoop does arlene have – what does she think happened?
Is LvR Lorenzo?
Also checkme, if you don’t mind, what does LvR look like? Does he have any distinctive marks on his face?
His mom is totally out of it.
Checkme,The Monkey people demand you. Next time use disposable.
Ref. Hanks, did you notice that in three posts his written accent was gone.
Ally, I promise you tomorrow afternoon around 17:00 I will get on the post so we can talk OK?
Scaredshitless— I dont know about romance…and not that I need to explain this to you…but I have nothing to hide…check me calms me—his words enlighten me, and I quite frankly will stop there as I do not feel I have to validate a special bond that I have with someone to u or anyone, with all due respect….checkme, isn’t it comical when two people adore one another it opens an area of speculation…what a sad world this has become?
Out-of-it as in out to lunch???
Oh, I guess I can blog for a “few” — yeah right, and one tater chip, too!
Hello, all.
LvR — can anyone confirm he has a country house where after parties are held off the beaten path?
Ally – no offense meant! I just felt a “bond” in the air…could it be love? Could it be mere affection?
ally, why don’t you guys get a room . . . lol . . . just kidding, don’t get pissed
I will see u tomorrow, checkme—sleep with the angels…
Ally since when is it a sad world because romance is in the air?
LOL, Lucy, you crack me up… aiaiai, manana no puedo salir de mi casa porque ai mucho basura…
Anna, I’ve been checking the photos at assmotion site…Most of those photos are of people that look older than the type that I was expecting to see at the type of illegal drug party I was picturing. What did you think?
Hi Subdude!!
Oh, so Ally and Checkme are both hispanic! So they can write things in Spanish to one another !
Hi Subdude!
Need any help???
Subdude – are you really “subdued” or “outgoing”?
Goodnight Checkme, thanks for the responses!
Ally, are you AllyinMiami, porque la ultima es mi hermosa.
si tambien pero entiendo espanol
dcburgh—-love, we are in a room…a blog one
….if you all listen and reread all his blogs a little more, u will be able, as i did, that he has a presence about him that is contagious and beautiful…He is unequivocally sweet and an insurmountable gentleman…call it what u want–i adore him———-Hi subdude!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top O’ the evenin to ya’, mi Lucia! You know, the story about the lie detectors with JVDS and Kalpoe x 2, if true, sort of backs Shango and others that NH was not last @ Marriot beach.
Has anyone with knowledge of this “Lorenzo” person contacted authorities about him, if indeed he was rumoured to have had contact with Natalee? How did his name surface … from people in Aruba? Do her classmates remember anything about him?
Hey Ally, Hey Scared. Scared I am at times subdued and others outgoing and both when I feel conflicted:)
Scared
Over half of the people that post here know spanish, even if they are not hispanic. A lot of polyglots here.
Checkme said “because the ultimate is my wife”????
Ally: Mugged? I am sorry to hear that. Glad you are okay.
Lucy: Is Lil Ricky asleep?
Dana: You never answered the question. Apartments?
Checkme—si soy yo…estoy cansada de escribir Ally in Miami—each time……for all of u gossip hounds—besos y abrazoz , check me—creo que ellos estan celoso
Another thing Shango or one of the Monkeys said — the main path — it fits in with the psychic above mentioning the main path. Could that be Arikok National Park, where the original Dutch settler ruins are and have the cowboys searched there?
I wish i could remember more of my high school Spanish. I have a Mexican-American relative but he doesn’t live near me anymore to keep me on my toes
NOW………We have all talked before, why am I shut out?
Hey peeps!
I just saw the Mickey Johns interview. He is brave. If the climate there is oppressive, he needs our vigilance and support. He needs to know he does not stand alone IF he is honest and truthful.
any reason no one is listening to Dana…blue water…????
New Girl — I did think the age differences at raves were kinda odd, but maybe it’s a cultural thing. Arubans might be better able to explain to us.
That poor man, Mickey Johns! To think he was thrown in jail by something that little twerp URINE said…..I hope Urine (joran) gets pee’ed on when he gets his just desserts
Subdude
Believe me, then you have not been conflicted later, nor subdued.
AnnaMaria: Is that an accurate spelling on the name of the park? Is it near Seroe Alejandro? You are in Aruba, correct?
Hi everyone!
Subdude
Little Ricky is out checking the the sound of the Mambo tunes with Ethel and Fred.
Yliana! Glad to see you!! Any new news?
yes, many know spanish…but not well…and not many can recognize when simian is writing in an “uneloquent” manner…as other obviously can..checkme—i hope that all this speculation does not discourage you from our communicating with one another b/c u are helping me in more ways than u know
SUBDUDE—-we so have needed your sense of humor on this blog—welcome, back STAY OUT OF LIBERTY CITY, BRO
Hi….Yliana, missed you
Acutally…you guys are all getting buddy buddy..nice but we are here to find Natalee…when the people involved and get ready to share we have to listen…that HAPPENS AT NIGHT…they are partying and open…I speak from experience…let’s find out about Dana’s blue water…
Yliana, finally woke up, after staying on for two consecutive days. A lot of people asking for you today, mid-afternoon.
Larry: You are loved, my brother. Is the name of the National Park “Arawak” or “Arikok”? What is an “Arikok” — go easy, folks, I realize I’m “hangin” out there on this one:)
Dana is not interested in Blue Water! She’s trying to lure I YELL CHRIS IN HALLWAYS into her romantic net!
hi yliana
let’s face it joran will be free in a matter of days if we don’t work here…where is Shango…by the way Siamian is probably Steve Croes…
Sorry for the MIA – was busy today!
Well, local news is on and the prosecutor just reiterated the fact that, in short, the minister of justice had no idea what he was saying and that the police would not detain anyone without at least a suspicion – it would not be based on putting pressure on the son.
Scared
I don’t thing that is the real Dana. She wouldn’t have the patience to write blue so many times and not say anything else.
DANA WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BLUE WATER
It appears the government will soon take action against the international (American) media who is constantly misreporting the case and ifnormation on our legal system.
Sub…….Ariok.let us wait for Yliana, she may give hope……….
Ally:
Glad to help where I can. And to think I was tired a few minutes ago. I really do enjoy the connection through this blog. Very democratic.
Lucy: Fred and Ethel doing the Mambo. The Gringo in me cringes at the thought:)
Yliana: Help with local info, please. Name of National Park? Dana’s repeated “blue water”s mean anything, especially regarding the country house of LvR reported to be off the beaten path in Seroe Alejandro?
Alcati: Dana is just a fish out of blue water
Ally
That silly comment will not refrain him. No need to feel overconscious on somebody else’s account.
oops, missed a K
Told you Joran would be free…and he is the only one that can lead us down the path…without the Bloggers…where is Shango???? So sad…I hope the drug trafficing in Aruba brings them more money than Tourism…because as much as I love the island I would stay away just because they won’t pull out ALL STOPS to solve this one…SO SAD…
Lucy: what silly comment? Don’t be insulting
alcatl—that was pretty funny
Lucy u were right, those simians were imposters, the real simian e-mails me after his blobs to confirm it—he is legit—
What is Lorenzo last name
I just got caught up. Interesting stuff. Amm I included or ignored?
Subdude – Arawaks were the natives back in the day. Parke Nacional Arikok (Arikok National Park) is the national park
I just got caught up. Interesting stuff. Am I included or ignored?
LOL Subdude. Their official website is down, but I found some secondary sites through google. Nothing on what the word means, tho.
“A path from the national park parking lot leads to Cunucu Arikok, a somewhat restored farm at the foot of 500-foot Cero Arikok. (Look for the airport radar station on the top.) Follow the walking trail through the outdoor exhibit that includes a typical cunucu cas di torto (a country house made of mud-and-grass adobe),
The park contains traces of nearly all the significant forces that have impacted on Aruba’s history, including Arawak petroglyphs in the Fontein Cave, the remains of Dutch peasant settlements at Masiduri, plantation houses in the Prins Valley and the ruins of an old gold mining operation at Miralamar.”
The park encompasses 620ft (188m) Mount Jamanota, Aruba’s biggest hill. It’s worth taking the short but stiff walk to the top if you didn’t score a window seat on the flight in and want to get a tip-to-tip perspective.
There’s a road running through the park, but you’ll appreciate the landscape more by exploring one of the hiking trails.
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/arikok.html
Hi Concerned! People here are wondering if Dana went nuts over her constant blogging of BLUE WATER
Fake Dana’s drugs must be kicking in then….have a good ride…hope you meet Natalee on the way…
apartments? nuh — blue water is gorgeous and in pools
Yliana
Can you tell me where thr search is at now please?
Don’t blame Dana’s insane blue waters on myself. I am happily married with very large, big boned Danish wife
Subdude
According to TV reports, since the wind in Aruba blows only in one direction, anything you through any where EXCEPT at least 50 yards out IN THE NORTHERN COAST, will always come back to land.
I heard this many times from Karl Pelham something a CNN correspondent.
alcat – would you rather the police and officials here break the law to find Natalee? So that if and when they do find her perhaps, that the evidence will be thrown out of court because it was an illegal search?
a psychic tought she’s in that national park
Alli- sorry about the mugging; I am glad you are alive!
New Girl, thanks for background on Lorenzo. It fits in with some earlier info./predictions.
where and who is shango???
SSH- thanks for acknowleging me
I hope I am contributing ideas and positive energy. i am a teacher; it’s my job.
LUCY—next time u come to MIAMI—lets get mojitos…..yes alcatl—we are being nicey nice, and i know Natalee is the focus—but look at it this way, her disappearance has allowed and been the vehicle for many new friendships and caring acts..Come have a mojito with us when we find Natalee, and her abductors behind bars..LUCY, Scared, sub…i say we go bunk at checkme’s house
The Equu search has not reported any updates on their search. Unfortunately. But I think it’s because the media are such vultures that they can’t do their search without interference so they are remaining quiet not to tip any reporters as to their whereabouts.
I have the solution to this case….
Why doesn’t the Aruban government let Joran out on Monday provided he packs his bags and gets to school in Florida.
Upon his arrival, let’s have customs search his bags….hmmmmm….ten pounds of cocaine????
Let’s then send him to the big house where the guards will conveniently not watch a certain area of the courtyard while the boy is served up some serious jailhouse justice (complete with sodomy and penetration).
Good old Joran can see another side of law enforcement games, “the set-up”. Joran and his pop are very accomplished at “the cover-up”…now they should witness “the set-up”.
Perhaps then we will get to the bottom of this story and NH will be found.
I will atick with the house in the country threoy and she is alive..Sorry people
HI Chris is large bones eating cheese again? I get the image of blue water when i hear Aruba.
Scared
Didn’t mean to be insulting. Thought she should not give it that much importance and worry about what other might think. If you felt insulted, I apologize, sincerely.
*acknowledging
Shango is a blogger who talks cryptically–and sometimes in Spanish.
Dana: “Conchi” pools?
Larry – Equu search is pleading again to the media to leave them alone. They constantly have little hope to find NH alive – they say it’s a recovery not a rescue.
Yliana
That does make a lot of sense..to a point…..are not the Cowboys a high profile group???
Hi–concerned!!! glad u are here—lucy i have greta tivoe’s…I am going to watch it and post what i have seen—ulet me know, once I do if it is reiterated info…
Ally
That would be a trip … I can just see subdude being conflicted, both subdued and outgoing.
And where did this DANA and all the blue water crap come from??? We had decent input from Sango……What happened?
What kind of car was it that Natalee was seen in last?
Yliana….Tim is saying she is gone then?
Ally: Bunkin’ @ Checkme’s, I’m in.
APB (All Points Bulletin): Does anyone know where Seroe Alejandro is? What does seroe mean, por favor?
Lucy – don’t mind me, I’m a bit sensitive tonight
Dana – blue water reminds me of Fla. sharks
Larry – blue water is never crap
Subdude – love your name
Ally – You are very gregarious & intelligent
Chris who has Danish wife – i feel sorry for you
wowee
As you’ve all hear already, a petition has been sent to the Queen for permission to use the Dutch marines in the Equu search efforts. Some might say, well, they already did once so why all the red tape now – well it’s simple, the equu search is a much more tedious and lengthy endeavour – to pull out the marines to be engaged for such a lengthier period requires official and formal permission.
Hi Alli..Miami. Thanks. looks like we are at a standstill once more. That’s when our friendships seem to form
Kristen in SC:
Everything you went through has made you spiritual and connected to others in pain. You are a wounded-healer; You belong to a very special group of people like yourself. Your life has been a blessing disguised by painful memories.
Yliana…didn’t realize I was suggesting illegal behavior…apologies…also to Dana… I have been sitting back and watching all of you guys talk for a couple of days…I just am getting frustrated as we all are…I think I just want an answer…Also other than than the drug dealer theory…and Joran’s conncetions or fathers involvement…I can’t figure out why someone does just say what happened….it is only out of loyalty for his dad (involvement with organized crime) or fear of being killer by drug dealers that Joran can’t just say that we went to a RAVE, I left her there…also from another thread there were apparently other MB kids at the same party…or course no one is saying this out right but that is the just…so JVDS is spending a month in jail for something he knows about but is NOT sharing for one reason or another…I have traveled a lot and spent time in Kenya…it is no secret that the GOV is corrupt there…people just deal with it…here unfortunately an US girl got involved and we can’t let it go…by the way Yliana…does legal illegal really matter in a corrupt GOV???
Subdude
Yliana is your only hope now, but I’ll give it a try. I think it is in an area?town called Savaneta, east of Oranjestad. Yliana can confirm.
Lucy: Oowie, that stung a tad. Yust Yoking:)
Ya’ll gals are crazy, and I’m a little punchy. Two a.m. blogger last night.
HmmHmmHmm (clearing throat): APB: Where is Seroe Alejandro? What does seroe mean, lovely folks?
IYCIH————enlighten me then on the blue water issue please
Larry, yes, Tim is not optimistic at all – he says he hopes but the odds are against them considering how many days have gone by. But miracles do happen he contends. Nonetheless, their search is based on the fact that she is indeed dead.
Why is Fox News wasting my time with President Bush on instead of Greta? I could not give a sh*t what Bush has to say.
Larry, Dana kept saying BLUE WATER over & over again…like an incantation. We thought she flipped her lid
Okay, sorry – what kind of Toyota did the kalpoe boy have, and does anyone know what Lorenzo does for a living?
blue water
Ok. Here is something that seems to be bypassing the media. I don’t care if cellphone records show that Dpak called Joran or vice versa at a certain time and so on. I can stand beside anyone on this blog and call you and it is not going to tell them
that I was standing beside you or if I was across the island. Only from what town my cellphone is listed in. Then again, there has been no absolute concrete evidence that there are phone records, if it is a local company, I am sure records can be produced, people can be influenced and so on.
For those that have not noticed, Julia Renfro from Aruba Today, you are a true idiot.
Those people at Joran’s school work with his mother. Of course, they are saying that.
If I remember correctly, when they talked To VDS SR. He originally said or told reporters that he did not know that Joran had snuck out, but that he did get home and it was late. I seem to remember he said something more like 3:30 or 4:00 am and that Joran did go to school, but he got there late. I wish I could remember who covered that. Does anyone.
Then, since when do people call one another to let them know they have gotten home when you just dropped them off, such as Joran’s story that first Dpak, and then Satish picked him up and took him home. Esp. teenage boys. Are they gay and maybe a couple and that is their secret??? I highly doubt it.
Yet, they were seen leaving the club at around 1am. I am not sure that most of Natalee’s friends know exactly when the last time was they saw her. No disrespect, but when kids are partying on a post graduation vacation, they do not really notice exact times.
Joran’s father has power and position and so if all they did was drop her off somewhere, it does not make sense to make up all these other things they have to protect him from false speculation. That would take a really stupid person and Paulis strikes me as anything but stupid.
She also had to have a room key or keycard. The keycard and/or her drivers license may be crucial. If either are found with/without her being found it may help them to identify others that were with her.
I am still amazed at how naive or ignorant that Julia Renfro must be. Greta did not even seem to believe her.
I got some strong feeling when Beth H Tweety talked about Natalee having her drivers license with her. I am wondering if that is the piece of evidence that may have been missed. An Alabama DL will stick out like a sore thumb on Aruba. I don’t think they would have necessarily known she had it. I think everyone on here that cares need to email the Fox newscasters(Greta, Geraldo) and encourage them not to let this story die. Beth said “she knows her daughter is on that island” and I know she is right.
I just wish I felt something right now.
Everyone keep this alive.
Kristin in sC: I agree. Do not appreciate Mr Bush takin g up time that could be spent on GReta. Greta looks like my chubby corpulent Danish wife only much thinner. And my wife Ingrid doe s not have crooked smile
Subdude
Are you writing with an Spanish accent? Seroe Alejandro reply up above.
I am always up for a Mijito
Dana, STFU already. We all see it… blue water. Elaborate or stfu.
If I am deducing correctly, our minds seem to be open to the possibility that the
“underground” is deeply involved in this matter. Drugs, raves, corruption (not unknown to any society or community), are the main factors in natalee’s disappearance. Am I on terget or off base?
Kristin in SC…….Methinks Dana is positively insane (or suffering from “the bends”)
alcat – you can have a corrupt govt, judges, lawyers etc. We are a small community and the closeness, I admit, can seem more vulnerable to corruption to you who live in a country where you barely see the person you bumped into at the supermarket twice. But consider that because we are aware of the possibility, our legal system has certain extra precautions to prevent corruption.
AnnaMaria
D. Kalpoe owns a Honda. Lorenzo probably lives from earned interests plus dealing proceeds.
Concerned: all are possibilities.
agreed concerned
Thank you my friend Yliana———My heart skipped a few beats on that reply, yet I was prepared for it……Please give me hope that she can and will be found.D/A.
On Nancy Grace tonight, the CNN guy in Aruba said the team of searchers from Texas were complaining that their equipment would not work properly because there was so much interference from media equipment and so many cell phones right where they were seaching – especially divers trying to talk to people of the ground. If so, this must stop – wouldn’t it be horrible if they missed something because of this?
chris?
Rosemary: that’s when the media gets on my nerves. Enough already! Let Tim do his job! He is a wonderful man.
Elaina – Aruba is not big enough to have destinction on your phone statement saying where the call came from. Wherever you are, you are simply calling from Aruba
amen
Belated “you’re welcome” regarding the Lorenzo stuff, Concerned! And greetings!
Dana – are you monosyllabic?
aruba jamaica ooo iwanna take ya
Yes Lucy, and thanks for the reply on Seroa Alejandro. Kalpoes and JVDS are still lying about where they last saw NH and the question continues to be why??
Either they committed a crime or are afraid and covering for someone who did.
LvR (Lorenzo van Rijn) should be looked @, especially search of his country houses where he hosts after hours raves.
Then , let’s focus on that scenerio.
Could the 4 have gone from C&C to a residence or party?
No judgment on Natalee. We all are, or were, kids.
iIhave 3 children; each would make 3 different decisions. 102 may have gone to the party with Joran.
Next, “something bad happened to Natalee”. That could involve 1,2,3 or a series of bad things ending in death or removal from Aruba.
especially in Miami…almost moved there last year…
Dana: what are you – a frustrated Danish BEACH BOYS fan?
Ok do we know how Joran got home that morning? Did he walk? From the timeline, cell phone calls and IM’s he could have walked, maybe his Dad did pick him up???
Yliana
Does our theory of the country house still stand or are we back at the maze?
Police will be talking to NH’s stepfather soon – on NH’s ex bf. I think they are now looking at other possibilities considering this investigation is not producing sufficient evidence.
*1 or 2
Vie der sein all! I must retire to the bedroom. My big heavy wife is complaining I am on p.c. too many hours now
Re: does anyone know what Lorenzo does for a living?
Checkme wrote above: new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
While I have a bad feeling about things at this point or not, my mind will not allow me to accept that Natalee is dead. I sense a deep, fdark, weave of webs that involve many people in different places. My gut feeling is that Natalee perished the night she went missing. My conscience on the other hand is telling me that that is what everyone involved wants us to think. I also get the feeling that probably some others may be considered as well…that the US Government is some how involved as well. We are afterall talking about Columbia, drug lords, etc and so on. There are plently of covert operations running within the US Government that are funded by drug money as well. Maybe I am just plain crazy.
Dana
Bad beach boys….and the drummer ? name him please
I-Yell…Leave that poor wife of yours alone! Fat means nothing.
Larry – I think the maze need be scratched. As for the country house – that is still a possibility. Clarevoyants (sp?) are ‘seeing’ Natalee alive – she cut her hair and dyed it dark.
Goodnight all. I leave work at midnight and then it’s right to bed. I hope when I awake tomorrow, Natalee has been found.
Kristin SC– I agree with you. No society is without corruption. I am one of those crazy people that stares injustice in the face anddemands the truth. I guess that’s why I am here.
Lorenzo supposedly has two houses:
According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.
Per AmericaninAruba:
The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having
underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated
and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.
Supposedly one of them was painted really crazy.
Yliana………when will you or have you finished your degree in Law….Mine is from Stetson in 1980. Work with me on this please
Subdude & Concerned
These Kalpoe guys were just dumb enough to lie about the dropping at the HI, because they felt they could help a frind, given they thought she’d show up in a couple of days.
They were not at C n’C, Deepak was at work, Satish picked him up, they picked up Joran and gave him and Natalee a lift.
The smallest one, Satish will probably be let go. So they say.
IYCITH: Night.
Larry, Yliana, Concerned: I am still focused on the country house scenario. Makes sense. Frankly, in my party days I would have been all over a rave after C&C closed. Nothing unbelievable or insulting to think that NH went to a rave @ LvR’s country house with JVDS and Kalpoes.
The off-the beaten path (maze-like) road to his house in Seroe Alejandro sounds like it fits the much-discredited Shango’s clues. Riehl world reports that Kalpoes and JVDS passed lie detectors except for where the last were with or saw NH.
Without vouching for these facts, the country house scenario fits with them
I, like an earlier poster from CA, USA, have been watching this case from the beginning and reading all your posts, as well. I hestitate to jump in, but some really important info was revealed tonight on Greta’s show. And though all this talk of the intriguing Lorenzo is somewhat fascinating, I think we need to keep to the known facts.
Unfairly accused security guard, Micky John, revealed that Satish Kalpoe told him that the original story about the H.I. was “cooked up” by the boys and the “family.” (Very clever of Micky to question Satish before S. knew his true identity.) This would include Papa. An Aruban lawyer has said this could be grounds to again arrest the elder V.S.
But what I find most interesting is the short interview with party d.j. Croes. He says he doesn’t know any of the three boys and just decided to go to the aurthorities and corroborate their H.I. account out of the blue, cause he’s such a good guy! When pressed by Greta, he says he just did it to “help out some guys, I guess.”
This is beginning to reek of organized crime to me. This smells like someone told Croes to go to the Polis. Like he’s involved/being paid by someone who wants this covered up. (and I don’t mean the v.d.s’s) This also might be more evidence that Natalee is alive, being held.
That’s my take tonight.
Us has known about drugs and money laundering through Aruba for years. I am sure Americans benefit and suffers (i.e. our addicts). It’s time to stop the immorality!
I will stay with the country house theory…………Where else is left???? The ranting of Sango??? Heaven forbid that……..LOL
i meant US….and the country home is plausibe, Subdude! Do not give it up.
Larry – I’ll be done with law in 2 years – unlike in the US where it’s a 3yr program – here it is 5yrs.
Larry – i meant 4 years. – typo
Subdude
It is almost certain that the Kalpoes dropped them at the Marriott, so many people (or Simian) seems to think the key is finding out who escorted Joran to the party and who took him home, if anyone did.
Did you see the Kalpoe Mom interview? You shold see it on Fox.
Concerned, you are up for promotion.
‘Caught the tail end of the local news where I am, and heard a nearby search operation will journeying to Aruba to help out. Apparently, this op works with clydesdale horses b/c of their scenting abilities like the dogs, but also the working horses can move trees etc. B/C of quarrantine reasons, the horses will not be able to go, but this team is going to help out.
Yliana…last year I went on a medical mission to a indeginous area of Mexico…the locals there were scared we were sent to bring disease to them to kill out their population…I don’t think size or respect matters when you are speaking of drug trafficing and the locals that have to be involved for it to happen…I am not calling you niave…I actually have enjoyed your insight over the past 2 days…but you have to realize that bad things happen in good places and I think that is why this case has recived so much attention… also MOST GOV’s contain individuals that are not on the up and up…PVDS wasn’t making as a judge…he gambled…most gambelers lose…and he had a family to support…desperate people do depsarate things…
Lorenzo has the house where the party was happening.
Am I offending you guys…should I find another thread???
I also noticed this aspect of earlier posts about Lorenzo: that the police don’t shut down HIS parties like they shut down the other ones:
someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party”. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.
That could be true. Natalee is either alive and removed from the area OR she has passed over.
Sub—–
Thank you
Lucy:
JVDS needed a car to get he and NH to the rave, right? Satish picked up Deepak @ work in Deepak’s car, they went to C & C’s to pick up JVDS and NH and drove SE to rave near Savaneta instead of NW to California lighthouse. Made up CA lighthouse stroy/direction to put themselves as far away from the place “something bad happened” as possible.
Apparently one of the Kalpoes told Security Guard Johns that he lied about dropping NH @ HI because told to by VDS “family”. Who speaks for the VDS family? PVDS. most likely.
Could the polis commish be related to these parties??
Does anyone here post at websleuths? I thought I had seen crazy-Lorenzo-painted house-painted van posts over there early on, but I can’t use the search feature because I can’t remember the username/password I used to use over there…
Ok – let’s dissect this country theory. C&C closes at 1am. By the time everyone leaves C&C, it’s 1:30. They drive 15 minutes to that country house in Seroe Alejandro, it’s now 1:45. What happens next?
…
Thanks, Chimes. I need incentives to forge forward
If we demand the truth and are unrelentless, this blogging thing could be a nice contribution to our world community. What you say?
Ylana-
Drugs: by choice or not.
Sex: by choice or not.
Something bad happened to Natalie>
Yliana
They leave the bar at 1:30, drive to the lighthouse, is her last night and she wants to see it. Go to the Marriott, Kalpoes go home. Who escorts Joran and NH to the party? Do they run into Lorenzo at the Marriott? Does Joran walk home from there or do they all go to Savaneta and somebody drives Joran home.
LOL, Yliana..took me 4……keep up the greta work…..
Answer me this…………..Will we find her alive?……..A to A?
alcatl – I agree with you; I’m not too fond of this govt either. And I don’t think I’m being naive – I don’t think. It’s just that these wild stories are what you hear of in the movies. Yes, there are drugs here. yes there is corruption, yes we are generally inexperienced when it comes to complicated crimes but the truth is, is that besides the drug trafficking, the big bosses don’t live here. We are simply a “trampoline” – so you see, these drug lords you speak of would have had to follow NH here and wait for that moment to snatch her. It’s too out there!
We need ears to listen, eyes to research, memories to recall, brains to put pieces in logical order. We work best in numbers with a problem like this.
Yliana, I’ll check our tipsters’ old posts on this. One of them (or both) believed that Joran (the “lamb”) delivered Natalee to the rave or else just left her there, presumably after the ‘lions’ began their descent upon their prey.
Supposedly Lorenzo had hung out with Natalee (maybe at the casino? Or a rave earlier in the week), but then started paying attention to Joran. Lorenzo got jealous and angrily confronted Joran. Maybe Lorenzo asked Joran to come by his house that night with Natalee, then decided to ‘teach her a lesson’ about rejecting him in favor of his friends…
Accolades to all. There’s nothing like the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I am concerned in how, we, are all going to deblog, once, and, hopefully when we get our truth.
Subdude
But the Kalpoes dropped them at the Marriott …
I don’t think there’s enough time for N. to attend a rave. She and J. are dropped off at the Mariot around 1:30 a.m. J calls the Kalpoe bro. around 2:15a.m. to ask for a ride. He then texts him 40 minutes later to say he’s home. There’s just a 45 minute or so window when “something bad happened.”
Yliana, I’ll check our tipsters’ old posts on this. One of them (or both) believed that Joran (the “lamb”) delivered Natalee to the rave or else just left her there, presumably after the ‘lions’ began their descent upon their prey.
Supposedly Lorenzo had hung out with Natalee (maybe at the kasino? Or a rave earlier in the week), but then started paying attention to Joran. Lorenzo got jealous and angrily confronted Joran. Maybe Lorenzo asked Joran to come by his house that night with Natalee, then decided to ‘teach her a lesson’ about rejecting him in favor of his friends…
I believe Deepak & Satish dropped Joran & Natalee at the party. It sounds as though they still aren’t passing their lie detector tests about where they dropped Natalee & Joran. Also, I don’t believe the lighthouse was a part of the journey at all. Just a diversion from the fact that they all actually headed south.
Clarification: while this scenerio is moivie material, it is not necessarily fictious. read the news; follow the real-life stories. Unfortunately, the above is possible.
There is evil; I do not like to see, look for it, or deal with it.BUT it’s in our world. Otherwise this would be heaven.
But the 45 minutes is not enough to commit the crime and get rid of the body, especially if you are alone, and there are people around the Marriott that will see you struggling and pulling a body.
Yliana
Why don’t we bottom line this whole issue………Very easy, the 50/50 rule will apply.forget the speculations……….What will be the odds she is still alive?
There’s no evidence that Joran was dropped at the Marriott except what The Kalpoes say, correct?
Larry: You are welcome. Nova Law ’92. Pleased to meet ya!
Lucy: I did see Mama Croes interviewed, but she can’t really know whether her boys are telling the truth about Marriott Beach. If they were @ a rave, probably would not want Mom to know. Small island and they are hanging with people like LvR. Everyone wants to be @ the party, but no one wants to be publicly associated with it.
Interesting that no one admits to being there. I have to believe that some people who were @ the rave that night, (if there was one) have lurked on this sight. No one wants to admit having been there — so far.
Why is it so hard to get someone to confirm LvR had a rave (not illegal) and that he/she was there?
Larry – I believe that if she were dead, we would have found her already. If she died in a country house, the smell would alert the neighbours, I don’t think that anyone could carry a body all that distance in a panic to hide a body. JvdS does not look all that strong. I think she’s still alive.
go to party…Nat is on drugs…she’s hot…she is in a BAD SITUATION….”something bad happens to her”….the boys leave go to Jorans…make calls to cover themselves…dad is involved in the underground world…knows people and is certain he can get them off…tells them what to say…also if they come clean…about the house of drugs…the VDS run the risk of being killed…plus PVDS and the Polis are involved in drug trafficing so who the hell do you turn to….Lorenzo or the lion that never leaves his den is SO BIG that no one wants to mess with him…my guess is that he was not in a country house but a very nice nice house somewhere on the island…NAT is killed and dropped somewhere in between Aruba and South America…unfortunately never nver to be found….or HOPEFULLY sold as a sex slave in SA so that PVDS can get out of some gambling debt…these are colorful…who the f’ck knows…maybe JVDS was at the light house having sex with her and banged her head on a rock killing her….but I DOUBT IT…this just sucks that NO ONE will say what happened…SC knows, the brothers know, JVDS knows, PVDS know and I would dare to guess his sweet little Godfather in the system knows…
What still troubles me is that Natalee shared a hotel room with 3 other girls. Would they have not been aware that Natalee was missing even *before* leaving for the airport? Did they just not notice that she did not return to the hotel? Did they all just assume that she “hooked up” and hense was why she did not return? There are far too many unanswered questions.
*movie
I am not a detail person so someone needs to create a time line, as specific as possible.
newgirl, you are good. keep thinking. you make sense.
subdude Said:
“Interesting that no one admits to being there. I have to believe that some people who were @ the rave that night, (if there was one) have lurked on this sight. No one wants to admit having been there — so far.
Why is it so hard to get someone to confirm LvR had a rave (not illegal) and that he/she was there?”
BUT that is the KEY! People HAVE placed him at his house that night! Noone has named these alibi witnesses, but Lorenzo WAS questioned by police and released. ccording to Simian. it was because he had an unbreakable alibi – from friends who said he was hosting them at his house that night. Are these “friends” also lions? Are they dependent upon Lorenzo for drugs?
There sure seems to be no shortage of people willing to give false alibis in this case.
Subdude, you are a lawywer
I married one. I insist on his morality and ethical practices as he does mine!
Alcati_- Much could be true. You are on a roll.
Kristen, you may not want to address the roommates now. It may detract the timeline. It could be a parallel time line.
Hey Sub….congrats……..You will do fine…
Yliana…. I may still go with the Ch and if I do, she is a prisioner there…….Her fate would depend on her guards……No reply to the 50/50 may make you a great criminal attorney……lol
Kristin – NH apparently did not spend the previous 3 nights at the hotel either.
Nice thinking, alcatl!
Subdude has the investigative mind. It is logical and opend-minded, plus he has a heart. He is a jewel!
(I’m a lawyer too…I’m noticing a pattern here…)
Yliana…I am sorry…for my outburst just frustrated…I have been to Aruba and think it is awesome…but just wish someone would say what really happened the person who knows comes out here…I actually thing Shango knows…let’s just get this over with…and move on…I also do think for drugs to move into and out of a country there has to be officials that let it happen…EVEN IN THE US…Yliana we (the US) probably consume most of the drugs coming through your country…I can’t go out on a date without soemthing being presented to me…
Larry: Odds are obviously long and against NH being alive. I want to believe and will continue to pray, but . . . smart money says she passed — Jeez that’s crass!
Lucy: I’m with ya, darlin, but once a liar, no longer to be believed. The Kalpoes lied about NH @ HI, could easily being lying about CA lighthouse, Marriott Beach, etc…
This Croes kid decides to tell the same lie as the Kalpoes to help out the boys, for shits and grins. Pardon moi, but that might be the biggest crock of shit I have EVER and I mean EVER heard. That sounds like the lies I used to feed my cop father when I was out copping drugs. Seriously.
This thing stinks, and Kalpoes, JVDS and Croes are afraid.
So, is anyone working on a timeline?
Yes, I was going to post what Yliana just said – rumor has it that Natalee had not been sleeping in her room very much.
alcati = friend of the Lamb or worse?
Larry – LOL – I don’t know what possessed me to go back to school! Anyhow, with this case, it is testing my knowlegde.
Has anyone heard of any reason why she would voluntarily not want to go back home. Maybe she would rather stay in Aruba and live the drug life, no parents, no responsibility nothing! Is this too far fetched?
newgirl, you are impressive. you definitely have the investigative mind as well.
What timeline do you want, from what day? If night before, maybe we could all work together to fill in following blanks…
May 29, 30, 31st? : What happened…
6PM –
7PM -
8PM – etc.
I lost all faith in Riehl World after reading the article on that website saying her body was found. That was a very irresponsible post.
And where did she sleep those nights away from the hotel? And with whom was she?
Let’s try not to stray. No cluessupport that natalee was looking for a new or different life. If she were drugged, she may like the freedom from inhibitions but her conscious state seemed to be focused on ambition and success…the American Dream.
Sometimes a detraction is good to validate the timeline. For instance, the time Natalee was last seen in C&C, the time that her roommates made it back to their rooms (assuming that all three of them did not “hook up” and not make it back until morning. Also, if her step-brothers AND her ex-bf were on the trip and after the altercation with Joran, one would think that someone would have said something about her departing with Joran.
If there was this underground rave, surely as others have suggested, may have seen Joran and/or Natalee there. Come on, Aruba is not that big of an island. My feeling here is that the attendee’s are afraid to come forward with information.
On a side note, I am tired of seeing the monkey we call the President of the United States on Fox. I need real information, not more bullshit.
I also think it is POSSIBLE that there was a setup of sorts and Lorenzo actually left his house to meet up with Joran at the beach somewhere, hence the lack of witnesses to whatever happened to Natalee. However, Shango was indicating that the XTC “maze” music thing was the atmosphere, hence his clue that “Babylonians don’t make sandcastles” i.e. they don’t mess around in the sand. Especially when they have privacy available and mean to cause harm to someone.
new girl…………what pattern do you see? incompenent attorneys or judge in aruba?
Shit, it is like here in the states…….I am from arkansas and have issues similair to this one.but they find closure FAST
Kristen in SC: Do you think that could be placed on a parallel timeline; possibly integrated later?
Larry and Concerned: Thanks
Newgirl: Welcome to the fold.
To all: If I may take one small moment to schill for attorneys world wide. We get a bad rap reputation wise. But look how many staying up spitballing this to try to help get some resolution. True, a good whodunit is fun, but this is way beyond that.
If I understand, LvR confirms he was having a “party” that night. Police take his word for it and release him. I am sure he said he didn’t recall seeing any of the suspects or NH at his house.
Police must know the theories floating on website. They need one witness, just one, to say they saw NH and/or JVDS at LvR’s party talking to LvR. That makes LvR a liar covering something when he lied to police. My gust says there are 20 witnesses out there who could say this. But no one will do it. Why????
Meanwhile, JVDS, Kalpoes and Croes are anywhere but there. Hmmm!
…sorry don’t know how to check messages from you guys unless I submit something…
I believe incompetents are strategically placed in power so they can be manipulated. I have seen that situation before now.
Ylinia
So the Mary is not the holy virgin?
Thank you subdude and Concerned!
Larry, I don’t think the bad guys here are the prosecutors. They are trying. They’ve arrested and held everyone they possibly can, until a judge makes them release the people.
Subdude, you are right. BUT we can not point fingers. Steady, patient persistent insistence on the truth. Exploring, probing, methodical investigation with justice as the goal. Natalee is our goal.
I think it’s not hard to believe a young girl, having just graduated from high school, in a new “party-type” environment and on VACATION would want to go to another party after C&C’s closed. I mean, it was her last night…and this Joran kid probably made her feel safe by telling her his dad is a judge, etc. He’s probably learned to be pretty slick from years of flirting with young tourists. I hope and pray that she will be found alive.
I am thinking that this Croes guy could lead them somewhere.
I smell organized crime. I smell a pigeon like Croes being told to go to the Polis and corroborate the boy’s story to get the scapegoat security guards arrested and then case closed. No one to know better. They didn’t anticipate all this international coverage. Didn’t happen before in the cases of the other girls in the past years.
Follow the d.j.’s connections. He needs to be more carefully questioned.
Larry, please stay on track. What is your point?
Newgirl, we can’t get too sympathetic. We do not know the identities of the “bad guys”.
@ Concerned… No, I think this is something *very* important here and is being overlooked in the investigation. If Natalee had not spent the prior 3 nights in her hotel room, then *where* and *with who* was she sleeping with? Was she sleeping with someone local (possible Lorenzo??) or someone she went on the trip with… There could be potential for jealousy being involved here.
Yliana
So you do know that there are more than two ways to get across the river?
It was a nice blog experience tonight – No psychos or rude ignorant blasts from anyone.
Thank you all – I’m feeling sleepy since I didn’t sleep much yesterday.
Larry – what river? We don’t have rivers here, just streams.
Kristen SC: You are corect. Good point.
Listen to the “music” could be the music we heard the other night.
Carribean Queen – NH?
Stayin Alive
Jailhouse Rock (Last place anyone would think to look is a prison?)
Here is something that is bothering me. Joran apparently did not get all of his photos off the net. But the fact that each time I find pictures of him, he is partying. I will grant you that is typical teen behavior, but each time he is with a group of 4-6 guys and one girl. Just one girl. Can the others not find dates or just one girl is allowed to be in the shot. Each one is with a different girl. IT would fit a situation in which laughs…….bad laughs……………..voices……………..not understanding……………………………
what is going on, fuzzy, blurred.
Something is not right. The lies continue. The lies go on. They are all carrying secrets. The truth is still not out, but the truth lies in the rocky points, or the rocky shadows. Smell of sea dampness. Hermit crabs. A funny tree or trees. Wrists.
Here is another link to another and you can view the pictures and see what I mean about the “several boys” “one girl”
http://photos.tickle.com/T5b23fqRhPUHOHYt
newgirl: Shango seemed to suggest that police chief had dirty hands and new about these raves and what went on.
Police chief complicit in drug trade is not much of a stretch. Aruba is small and a “trampoline” for drug trade. Would not be unusual for police to know the flow.
To be clear, I am not knocking Aruba — same thing goes on in US, right here in Miami. Not necessarily police chief, but small number of cops are dirty — that is reality.
A dirty cop would not point the finger at the dealer who could expose him. He would lead investigation away from rave at drug dealer’s house.
Mary is definitely not holy
More book learning for you N girl…What sems to be the thuth may not be what it seems to be………..the Lamb in this case may yet to play out to be the lion
Subdude, back to Shango’s clues:
DirtyHand the polis chief has been to the maze and walks through all houses. INCLUDING this one. But he does not go there to seek pleasures.
So why does he go? To collect his $$ for allowing these raves to go on and on while everyone else’s are busted? Or is it more sinister? Does it involve drug trade or something sexually inappropriate?
Shango also suggested that the children of “Babylonian” government officials / important people hang out at these rave parties. Why don’t they come forward?
Maybe they are scared that if Lorenzo is crazy and murders dogs and gang-rapes and kills innocent tourists, he might hurt them too. Especially if the police are somehow complicit in this.
And what of their parents, the ruling Dutch officials? Are they also complicit in some way? Is this a house of cards the kids don’t want to bring down?
Of course it is. They CANNOT wait and bite their tongues until the Americans get the hell back outta there.
okay beautiful people, I am out..i miss check me and he is long gone. I have more new info all see check me tomorrow, tell him he is my hero and to NOT allowheir ignorance to violate our special bond. checkme -otherwise I will be a crazybat moving my …booty out of that area,,,kisses tu u…abrazos/please look for me tomorrow..i know it is u, if u can telln me what heemingway thought about fitzegrald…which book…I miss u too much—yes other posters, get a grip…celebrate that i have found someone i trust and adore…can u handle that Lucy—subduide, trisher, scares–u ri n my prayers…love u all ;love u subdude—u arfe a trip
don’t even know “the lamb”…definiately not worse…i just live in the US, grew in B’ham and went to Alabama…but let’s call the lamb by his name JVDS or are you guys thinking it is NAT…the lamb is JVDS…he is the one to be sacrificed…unfortunately alive or dead NAT has already been sacrificed…as far as my drug comment drugs run rampent in big cities (and small) in the US and I live in a big city…I wish I could spend an evening with JVDS after he is most likely released and get him to tell me exactly what happened…I am with you guys on this one….I ONLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED…if you searched me through all of this…I have spoken a few times you would know I am far removed and far away…just reached a point to share and I party so I know the score…
Ylian, sweet dreams fellow blogger. I hope we can make a difference somehow.
I am not good at details; who is?
Why is there no discussion about where and with who NH was with the 3 prior nights? Am I the only one to think this is very strongly connected to her disapperance?
Sorry subdude, dI did not keep track of times.
Ou r timeline needs to be succinct. Not too verbose, for visual reasons.
Factual terms, I suppose.
Kristin – I think that’s a very important point ..
Ayayay – I try to leave and I get sucked back in!
No Kris… you are on the money.. It may be very, very relevant. Keep on asking.
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Nonetheless I am leaving now, for real – I’ll see you all tomorrow I guess
I meant that for Chimes as well.
Are we all getting lethargic?
We can continue this tomorrow.
no secrets here…who did she stay with the last 3 nights…do I have to pack up and come down to Aruba to help solve this????
Yliana
Sorry , it was a joke in the states here……..abortion issue that set a constitional amendment Roe vs Wade…..the joke was t o ROW or WADE…..sorry
Surely I cannot be the first person to even bring this subject up. The could very well implicate others and even perhaps establish a motive.
Yes, Subdude! Shango said that the polis chief is the only one who could break the case wide open – I believe he was there that night and can refute the alibi of Lorenzo. Either the Chief was at the rave house and saw Natalee, OR the chief was at the beach or wherever else the bad thing happened to Natalee.
That might sound farfetched, but did anyone see the post on Rhiel World about police teaming with young studs to sexually assault women? It might have been BS, but you folks might want to read it, since it is topical. I’ll find a link.
Yliana…come back tomorrow…I am leaving also have a business to run…if you can believe that
Yliana and Ally: Bones and nachos:)
Newgirl: At the risk of being labelled a conspiracy theorist, it sure “rings” believable.
MtBrook kids, any truth to the rumor that NH had spent some nights out. Now is not the time to protect her reputation, with all due respect.
If this is going to get resolved, we need some real info on what NH was doing and with whom, where she was hanging out, esp. at night. An 18 year old in Aruba on Sr. Class trip closing down bars and going to after parties is not a stretch by any means. Happens all the time in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, etc…
My point is, we want to help. Give us some details so we can create a timeline, identify people NH was hanging with from the island because those will be the people who were @ LvR’s rave when something bad happened.
I think there are many who know what happened in Aruba.
Sure, lets all just go to sleep and leave NH’s family hanging until we are rested up. I am sorry but I am convinced that this blog has to have at the very least, one person whether from the media or involved in the investigation monitoring this. This needs to be discussed because I have not seen or heard about it ONCE.
Do we something like this? …
1:30AM Leave bar/15min drive to lightouse
1:45AM Leave lighthouse to drive to hotel/15min?
2:00AM they say the dropped her off
the three say they dropped her off at 2 am
Bad..bad…bad…does anyone know where Shango is tonight….he brings info and we need it…HE WAS THERE…he was involved in my opinion and he is playing games to toy with us…HE KNOWS ALL…does anyone know who he is????
Yliana
Shall I take a turn here or just make issuies??? What is the legal age in your country for consensual sex?
Good night folks.
If I can’t sleep, I’ll check in later.
Believe it or not, I am headed to the Carribbean soon.
It is because of Natalee that I am escorting my daughter on her HS trip down there.
I think I am going to head over to Rhiel World because it seems to be getting stagnant now.
G’night, Concerned. Regenerate!
Nevermind, that may wake someone up here……..lmao
As u can tell, as A RESULT OF YESTERDAY””’S ACTIVITES, I HAVE PRESCRIPED VALUUM, AND I AM WAY OFF…SORRY FOR SOPHOMORIC MESSAGES, PLEASE ITELL CHECK ME, I REPSECT HIM AND i REVER HIM. i AM TRYONG TO ALLOW HIM TO SEE WHAT I LOOK LIKE, SO THAT HE MAY GET A BETTER VISUAL—THIS IS ME
THIS IS ME CHECKMEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
okay..FBI…polis…let me work undercover…I’m hot and sassy and I could grab the attention of these punks to pull out the truth…I know you have people like that down there…let’s do that and solve this thing…if you need a player…I am more than up for it and I would come out alive…just let me know…this is a sick situation and I want to help.
Sorry, Kristen in SC. My husband does not see any point to my long-term relationship with this computer. I have to clean and pack. I’ll be back
On Nancy Grace tonight, the CNN guy in Aruba said the team of searchers from Texas were complaining that their equipment would not work properly because there was so much interference from media equipment and so many cell phones right where they were seaching – especially divers trying to talk to people of the ground. If so, this must stop – wouldn’t it be horrible if they missed something because of this?
Good for you, Concerned
Chimes: Timeline looks good as an example.
1:30AM Leave bar/15min drive to lightouse
1:45AM Leave lighthouse to drive to hotel/15min?
2:00AM they say the dropped her off
the three say they dropped her off at 2 am
Need to add when Kalpoe says he received cell phone call from JVDS
Need to add when Kalpoe says he received text message from JVDS.
I’ll go search for times.
Kristen, we should have said more specifically that Natalee didn’t come back to her room AT NIGHT.
Shango, for whatever it’s worth, suggested that she met these local guys in the kasino and (someone said – maybe a psychic, maybe one of our tipsters) that she was really flattered when they began paying attention to her as opposed to some of the other girls (being maybe shy and insecure as most of us girls were as teenagers).
She befriended them (the “gamblers,” including Lorenzo) in the kasino (Shango says this is on VIDEOTAPE – kasino security).
Shango (I think) then suggested that she experimented with ecstacy; that she went to the rave house. He didn’t say how many times or who she was with.
Anyway, ecstacy keeps you up all night. ALL night. If she was “rolling” as Shango said, she probably stumbled back to the HI sometime around dawn and maybe slept for a few hours after that. All of her friends told the media that they weren’t worried about her on the night she disappeared because she and others were all “crashing in the rooms of their friends.”
Either way, if she came back to the hotel at 5 am, they probably wouldn’t have thought it any stranger than all the kids who spent the last night there at the pool until 5 am.
Ally in Miami…get a grip…drugs are okay but this is a respectable place…go to bed weak one….no offense…see you tomorrow..
Thanks, Chimes.
Good night.
Kristen..SC stay with it, girl. You are good. Bless your energy!
alcati.I am sure they have a spot for you in that fine GROUP
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Subdude, you are my hero. Thanks for being on the job.
TTYL
Larry…what GROUP are you speaking of???
Chimes:
According to CNN, Deepak’s lawyer is stating that the cell phone records show Joran called Deepak at 2:40 – and then texted him again 40 minutes later – the approximate time it takes to walk from the beach to Joran’s house.
Subdude…old news…please bring something meaningful to the table I am getting bored…tell me WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE…how about that???
Larry????
Does Shango usually come on late – he did last night?
Thank you, Sub … I’ll see what I can find myself. Obviously, it’s gonna take a little time (pun intended) and a little elbow grease, but we can get the job done. I given a few fascinating police statements in my day.
alcatl, first you get mad because noone’s paying attention to you, and now you’re insulting us.
Is there anyone still here besides Larry & alcatl?
new girl, Diggin you, sugah!
Re: you comment “All of her friends told the media that they weren’t worried about her on the night she disappeared because she and others were all “crashing in the rooms of their friends.”
Friends of NH other than her assigned roomies: If she “crashed” with you on any of last 5 nights, identify yourselves, please. Did she crash, or is it always that she was always in someone else’s room?
I DO NOT mean any disrespect, but can any of you definitely tell us where NH slept that last 5 nights she was in Aruba.
Video tape doesn’t lie. If she was out gambling with “the gamblers” including Lorenzo, girls talk and some of you know this. Do you want to resolve this or not. Give up the info, please.
I’m here reading.
You’re too sweet, subdude!
Does anyone know whether FBI was permitted to view all of the evidence, such as these tapes? My guess would be no they were not.
Ally in Miami: You’re looped, chica, but funny as hell. BTW, have a little fun, but be careful. Pills were my downfall, literally. Spent the last two years rebuilding my life from the ground up. Friends of Bill W, unite!
I am still here and getting frustrated because I suddenly feel like the answer is right smack in front of our faces.
I’m looking at Shango’s messages.
new girl: Doubt FBI was allowed to see evidence videotapes. Videos would certainly identify Shango’s “gamblers” and police should start there. Not just questioning, but fact checking alibis for the night of. I’ll bet they were @ Lorenzo’s rave.
Can I quote a message on the discussion forums that someone posted on the riehlworld blog? Or does that violate rules / copyright?
Sorry ya’ll, but I can barely keep my eyes open. Will catch back up tomorrow.
Chimes: Please post the updated timeline when you can, and we’ll work on it together.
I seem to remember a 4:00 am phone call from JVDS to PVDS but I don’t remember it was confirmed through reliable source. Could be wrong.
If someone has a problem with a copyright from a blog regarding this investigation, then they are a seriously disturbed individual.
NH played with the “gamblers” who could be people that do drugs. They went and played with the ‘dealers” (drug dealers) in one of the houses. Just an idea.
This is sounding like the OJ timeline to me,..whirlwind sightseeing trip at ! AM,…don’t buy it, Also, can the cell phone be traced to a location? this sounds like a “check in” in case anyone checks the timeline out,..could they BOTH have been in the same place when JVDS called him. And I thought originally the call was to tell him to forget aboput giving him a ride, he had another one. JVDS doesn’t seem to type to walk anywhere,..why would he then if he depended on rides all night long?
It’s not that relevent to Lorenzo or the rave, but has more to do with police using young good looking guys to lure tourist girls to the beach for sinister purposes.
Isn’t Savaneta where LvR lives?
THEY drove to meet someone else! ANd he wasn’t at that location..” drive to the lighthouse, he’ll be there” nope,..” drive to the Marriott, he’ss be there”????
…will be traveling back in time for awhile.
some of the postings have given a giggle or two,
and then others, ah, no comment.
Isn’t Savaneta where LvR lives?
I’m reading….wondering if Natalee was “strung out” on something so that she could not go back to the hotel. How long could someone be strung out on something?
hey is Ally o.k.? Kristin, whats your story? Sorry just logged on
BrodieGirl: You might be onto something
Chimes: Here’s a post about the JVDS/PVDS phone call. No idea the source of the info. Timeline should probably say something like “YDave Says” . . . .
Anyway, it’s a post worth checking out. Instead of quoting, I’ll post the link. It’s the 4:55 p.m. post by “posters” on this page:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/aruba_update_1_.html#comments
Maya, yes, one of his houses is there.
I came across the 4AM call, sub. I am collecting bits from many posts, not confirmed as truth, but perhaps, something we can all look at and piece together.
Selena: Agreed. Cellphone do not place locations. JVDS could have been “phon(y)ing it in” to create his alibi. Why would he need to keep his not-so-good buddy (per JVDS mom, JVDS and Kalpoes were not close) in on his every move. Would Kalpoe really give a shit if JVDS made it home all safe and sound. I don’t think so.
There was a big showdown last night (early this morning) between Shango and The Simian (not sure if this was the real Simiam — he said he was a frenchman — is this so, Ally? and he pinged Shango,) It seemed to me that Simian was originally just Simian, not The Simian, bt I might be wrong.
I really have to go before I catch a second wind:) Good night, all. You are truly terrific for spending your time here, no matter the outcome.
Hope, I don’t think she could have gotten strung out on anything that quickly unless someone shot her up with heroin a LOT or maybe if she smoked crack with them.
If they intended to keep her for awhile, though, I think it would be possible to keep her doped up enough for long enough that she’d have been in a complacent haze until she was hooked.
I think Ally has maybe passed out at the computer. Look at her previous posts.
While cell phones do not place locations, approximations can be made using triangulation if there are more than one tower involved. I cannot say how many towers I recall there as I did not bring my phone so it was not something I was concerned with.
I found this on rhiel world; maybe you guys can tear it apart. BBL
OK – this is my theory, matched up to Greta’s timeline….please discuss and poke holes in it. ok?
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Todays show Greta on the record, really tightens the time line for that faithful monday..here is what I got…
1.30am-2.30am Lie #1 Cruising at California Lighthouse,
Lie #2 Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?.
1.30-1.45am
Half truth 1.
Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn after visiting Cali Lighthouse
2.40am
Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone? Maybe asking for lift or help.
3.30am
Joran reaches home at Montana #19, Text Msg Deepak?
4.00am
PVDS picks up his Son? Geraldo reported this but not sure if it was bs or not…according to AVDS Paulus was fast asleep.
6.00am 7.00am
Joran in school, confirmed by Ms Renfrom or arubatoday.com
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end of Greta’s timeline – now here is my interpretation -
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Sometime between closing of CnC’s and 1:45am – SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED
1.30-1.45am Question – could this be the reported “around 2am” trip over in direction of Montanje (Joran’s) with Deepak and Satish in car? Could a slumped over natalee and a panicked joran be still in back seat? Natalee’s body – dead or semi alive – stored in Joran’s room
****sometime shortly after dropping off joran and natalee’s body and the VDS household Deepak scrubs car down really good before going home – reports are on this site of him being seen around this time doing just this ******
2.40am Question – could it not be Joran calling Deepak to say he “told dad something bad happened tonight” and showed papa sloot condition natalee in – could be dead or semi alive at this point.
3.30am Question – could this not be Joran calling Deepak to say – “come by tomorrow” – dad wants to talk to us all – Dad said “he will figure out what to do”
4.00am – could be total BS considering source is Geraldo
6.00am 7.00am Papa Sloot makes sure hungover son gets on bus to school to establish a next day alibi for son – ex: a son who made it to school surely couldn’t be out all night burying a body…..
6:00-ish the phone call from south end of island – Joran calls buddies to remind them to be at his house as they need to meet with papa sloot – made most likely while Joran en route to school
evening…..after school….
papa and 2 or 3 amigos meet around pool and come up with a plan…perhaps Satish not there….
Plan of papa’s told to boys. Boys rehearse stories, alibi’s.
sometime after dark…..
Deepak and Joran execute papa sloots plan to dispose of Natalee’s body, Id, clothes and whatever else evidence there is…
in the meantime…..Beth and Alabama group arrive on island, make it over to the VDS household….Papa runs interference with story of son “out gambling”……Deepak and Joran make it back to VDS household by time Alabama group gets back.
Kids now smart asses because they feel papa Sloots plan “perfect” as body, driver’s license, and any other evidence now permanently disposed of….
Papa has panic attack and tell kids to NOT TALK.
Anyone have a problem with this version and why it don’t work?????
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Posted by: brenda | June 29, 2005 12:48 AM
Rest easy, Sub. I will be turning in and formulating in my dreams and going to “earl.”
Shango said something about the fires being lit….
KristeniSC, phone companies would know that info.
Good night dear ones.
Yeah, I’ve gotta go to sleep too. Eastern time zone here. I hope others will get as intrigued by the possible Lorenzo van Rijn / rave scenario as we have been tonight!
I think we are going to have to pray for media to investigate this angle, ‘cuz I’m thinkin’ law enforcement ain’t gonna…
Where did Geraldo get his source about the purported gang-bang of 14-year-old video? That person may hold the key, because the latest word is that the tape featured Lorenzo van Rijn attacking the girl – NOT Joran.
And if the checkme’s statements (and those of AmericaninAruba) earlier were accurate, and I have no reason to doubt that they are, then LORENZO, not Joran, has the backgound that forms the better profile of a killer.
In my opinion.
Concerned! New C.O.O. (Chief of Operations) You beat me to the punch.
PS mine are the words on 1st line/ from OK on belongs to the blogger.
I am really going now..I am on the laundry as we speak.
‘night Chimes, thanks
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/a_change_in_moo.html
Just wondering if this is the “Peace Pipe” that Shango referred to. If it is, Shango said the cowboys (Twittys & Searchers) should refuse it and follow the music, the lions are not tame and the Arawaks (Arubians) will enter the maze.
If she was taking X all those nights, she would have become strung out pretty fast is my understanding.
Let’s keep hope alive. Let’s hope she alive as a brunette. with short hair. adjusted to the banana, mango, and tapioca (local food) diet.
Shango’s “follow the Music” — refer to Soul Beach Music Festival??
Here part of Update 3 on riehlworldview:
Over at Scared Monkeys, frequent commenter Aruba Girl claims to have info that someone saw the Kalpoe brothers on the road at 2 AM the night of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance – presumably driving in an area associated with this mystery.
“Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed. I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me. I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that didn’t happen.
Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja. I’m going to call my cousin and let her know. She’s a cop. And no, that’s not the reason why I’m so gung-ho about defending the cops from corruption accusations. We’re not that close.”
Thank you, new girl.
There has been no timelines established that I have found from when NH was last seen by friends at night to wen she was seen the next morning. There were a number of reports that Natalee showed an interest in Lorenzo (suspected of being connected with rave drugs as well as running the underground parties that are popular) and reportedly there is video tape evidence of her associations with him as well as Joran.
The best I can make out is that Natalee did not even meet Joran until the last day and it was her that approached him. That conflicts with statements from some of her friends about seeing Joran days before.
So here is a young, attractive, blonde haired American girl, naive in a lot of ways, who had been drinking, showing interest in one boy and then another. Her changing interests is completely normal and I am willing to bet that we all have been there. So now you have one man (Lorenzo is what, 25 or so?) miffed because the pretty teenager is no longer paying him attention. Now because Joran is mixed up with Lorenzo, perhaps with Lorenzo even being the supplier of the drugs that Joran supposedly sold/used, etc. Well now C&C closes, Joran has one thing on his mind and that is the pretty blonde. He suggests the afterhour rave. Natalee wants to blow out her vacation and get the most fun out of it while she can. So JVDS calls the brothers and they pick the town of them up at the hotel. They then take JVDS and NH to Lorenzo’s rave. From that point on what happens is anyones guess. Was Lorenzo jealous and snatch NH? Did Lorenzo threaten JVDS so he would leave NH there? By this time we are assuming that the drugs that JVDS slipped NH are in full force and she is not exactly playing with a full deck. This leads to so many potential endings. In a number of ways this somewhat mirrors the Amy case. Could Lorenzo be involved with the Columbians and traded or used NH to pay a debt from drugs he used/supplied? A pretty girl like NH would fetch a high price on the human market apparently. In fact I was reading the human sales was the #3 money making operation in the world.
This is something I wonder. This is why I ask who and where she slept prior to the fateful night. Jealousy is a very dangerous thing and when you combine drugs, you have a deadly combination.
Don’t hate me for referencing a so-called psychic, but I checked out the link posted way back in this thread, and this seemed creepy to me given Simian’s suggestion (I think he’s the one who said it) that Lorenzo (or whoever did this) killed dogs:
PsychicsGoneWild
Guest
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:33 am
“I still think the dead dog on the mattress was a deliberate killing linked to her somehow, as in, shooting or killing an animal in front of someone is a way to put fear into them that they would be next if they didn’t cooperate. If you don’t speak the same language or have limited language ability, it would be demonstrated to you the other way.”
Kristin,
I don’t know where this Lorenzo stuff all started but it didn’t happen. She was never with him and never hooked up with him. As far as sleeping arrangments “everyone” was sleeping in different rooms. It was 4 to a room orginnally and sometimes ended up more than that crashing in each others rooms. Natalee does not do drugs at ALL never.
Girls, it sounds so possible. The investigators need to explore the gaps in time, witnesses, and break alibis. We need to be unrelenting. Keep the focus.
I REALLY MEAN IT this time, LOL.
Thanks for sticking to it. I’ll see you in the AM
Justin T, I am not suggesting that she did drugs intentionally.
WHERE IS SHANGO?
She may not have, JT, but she could have been slipped some.
Justin T, do you know why Lorenzo was reportedly brought in for questioning?
nothing that I can report
JVDS sure gets around…
http://peevedprincess.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_peevedprincess_archive.html
Follow the “music” could mean the Soul Beach Festival or it could mean follow the Truth as in the Twitty’s don’t want to hear the music (NH may have gone looking for drugs and entered the maze).
Excellent stuff! I got booted offline and couldn’t get back til now, but newgirl said:
“Does anyone here post at websleuths? I thought I had seen crazy-Lorenzo-painted house-painted van posts over there early on, but I can’t use the search feature because I can’t remember the username/password I used to use over there…”
A google search of Natalee Lorenzo brings up a whole lotta different sites with info.
JT- We are trying to help in any small way. Have a professional explore some of these hypotheses. It can’t hurt. These blogs have some pretty decent minds at work, as they also have some not-so-decent minds. Take what is useful.
This is not about bashing Natalee. It’s about getting to the truth. She encountered evil in some way. Le’t find her and get her home.
@ Concerned – Amen to that! Good night everyone.
concered,
I realize that and I responded because of the comment about Nat doing X all those nights. Which didn’t happen.
Natalee was not the only girl joran approached from the group.
Not much has surfaced on Lorenzo. I am surprised Greta hasn’t followed that tip, even though Lorenzo has an alibi.
I just found this on Riehl World View:
“Island Hopper
“Rumors have it that…Van Rijn’s mother had an affair with Paul Van Der Sloot (before he was married to his current wife) and the result was Lorenzo Van Rijn (23). – no I’m not making this up. Lorenzo is close friends with Joran (his half brother?) Natalee was being kept at Van Rijn’s house and is still alive. Police found some of Natalee’s belongings at Van Rijn’s house, but she has been moved to another house..” found on another site
Posted by: claire | June 19, 2005 03:28 PM”
Justin T, I don’t mean this in a snarky way, but are you saying you don’t know why Lorenzo was questioned, or do you mean you can’t say anything you might know?
It may be that Lorenzo did not befriend Natalee. Maybe he admired her and watched her from afar, across the kasino. Shango (and who knows, he might be leading us astray, but the other leads haven’t gotten us anywhere so what the hey?) said that the “gamblers” had noticed her, watched her, etc. Lorenzo is still worth discussing, isn’t he? Maybe he coerced, asked, paid, blackmailed or tricked Joran into bringing her to the rave house.
I certainly don’t mean to offend. Just trying to brainstorm based on unverified clues and consider new avenues.
I have a question….when Natalee’s mother first questioned Joran (after 1st arriving in Aruba) he told her that he & the 2 brothers dropped her off at the Holiday Inn. It was not known publicly at that time that she was missing. I doubt that the 2 brothers even knew about this made-up story at the time. He probably never dreamed that there would ever be a connection made between him & her disapperance. I think this story was made up on a spur of the moment. He had to go with this story after that so he called the 2 brothers & told them to say the same thing. If you are not even sure that something has happened to somebody….why make up a story?
Newgirl,
don’t know the “facts” as to why he was interviewed.
new girl: when I asked what kind of car lorenzo drove it was because of this post I’d found. Per checkme, he drives cool cars and crashes them, correct? Here’s the link, scroll down to GinoX’s post about a guy in Seroe Alejandro that has a Celica . It looks like we may have a way to get more info, at least see if it’s him. At the end, search the Gino X’s posts — he has a contact email. What do you think — could be something. Could be nothing….
http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=87897
“Rumors have it that…Van Rijn’s mother had an affair with Paul Van Der Sloot (before he was married to his current wife)
Does anyone know if she was originally from Arnhem or Boxtel….here is a site with some history on PVDS.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm
Justin all possibilities are on the table. One by one, tear them apart by confirming or denying with facts. It’s kind of like the grid map: all possibilities are the area to be covered. Grid by grid, you search methodically. Leave no stone unturned. Then, at the end you hope to arrive at the truth.
Girls, you are the best. Good night.
What Kristin??!! How reliable is this source? I am praying….
Acoording to Gino X’s profile….he is 41 years old.
http://forums.club4ag.com/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=657
Girls, it sounds so possible. The investigators need to explore the gaps in time, witnesses, and break alibis. We need to be unrelenting. Keep the focus.
I REALLY MEAN IT this time, LOL.
Thanks for sticking to it. I’ll see you in the AM
Here’s a place to explore 2morrow. I found it at rhiel world.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aa.html#Comm
Wow, interesting Anna…the reference to the upholstery guy at Seroe Alejandro? And Savaneta too. I do think there may be a drag / street racing angle in this circle of friends, because it has come up before.
“Rumors have it that…Van Rijn’s mother had an affair with Paul Van Der Sloot (before he was married to his current wife)
Does anyone know if she was originally from Arnhem or Boxtel….here is a site with some history on PVDS.
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/extra/pvds.htm
PVDS & family did not move to Aruba until 1991….so they have only been there for 14 years. Did Van Rijn’s mother know him before they moved there?
Great link, Concerned! Goodnight ladies…
Can’t wait to Google Lorenzo tomorrow!
http://peevedprincess.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_peevedprincess_archive.html
VERY interesting posts about Aruban AND Joran.
Last comment, I promise;
Shelly, I had heard that rumor and someone mentioned that Paulus could have impregnated the woman while travelling on business or something like that. I don’t know. I did not hear any rumors to suggest that Lorenzo’s mom ever lived in the Netherlands.
okay…..thanks….just wondering because that last name is dutch isn’t it?
Unfortunatley, I believe poor Natalie is not with us…until then, I have no opinion what happened to her…I believe you are not guilty until proven..just think, anything could have happened to her…imagine being JVDS, and you left her..prove it to me……….I have a 17 year old son, and I can’t condemn him until it is proven…the whole idea is surreal to me…he doesn’t seem like a premediated person, at 17…if so….I will eat crow……
“I do think there may be a drag / street racing angle in this circle of friends, because it has come up before. ”
http://www.boostunit.com/home.php
This site….which is one that Gino X has linked for other people to see says that they are having some type of drag race Friday, July 1st….but it is all legal. It is sponsered by the “Aruba Drag Race Foundation. Registration was this past Monday at Garage Central.
His e-mail address also ends in .gov
He must work for the government
New Girl: Goodnight. Think we all ought to drop GinoX a line with some interest in his friend’s Toyota….. off to bed now, too. Goodnight all.
Gino X’s e-mail address is found at this site:
http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=108271
You will be e-mailing a 41 year old man that works for the government.
gino.angela@aruba.gov.aw
Shelly – about your 2:40 question, making up a story makes a lot of sense. What if he had told her: yes, she was with me on the beach, and I left her there? of course that would not have been the kind of answer that she wanted to hear, so maybe he just made something up on the spot? Just guessing of course, just like everybody else…
Johan:
I agree with you and Shelly. The only reason for the differing stories might lie in these guys efforts to get themselves out of the spotlight. They are too young to realize the implications, and they might have had no clue as to how complicated it was going to get. The whole investigation is in the wrong track. It was doomed from the beginning when Natalee’s mom got fixated in only one possibility. The only mistake the Aruban investigators did was that they did not ignore her and pursue other leads.
Hey y’all I have just found a map of Aruba and I just wanted to share a few things with ya. Last night Shango mentioned a handicap of 12…well I have been looking at a map and it has a couple of golf courses metioned…one is close to the lighthouse and another is a mini golf course in Oranjestad…also I think it was here that someone mentioned a bird watcher or something about birds…well there is a bird sanctuary that is near the mini golf course in Oranjestad…I don’t know if this has anything to do with anything…but since I have not seen Shango today I guess it will be a while before I get to find out . Thanks for your time:)
Have you ever thought that Natalee may have been fascinated by the high rollers? Was there a private “high roller” game upstairs (at the Marriot) where the soul beach and other “important” island people (including dad) may have been??
If Satish and Deepak aren’t guilty, why did they agree with the VDS story? If they don’t really know what happened to Natalee, why would one of them say “Something bad happened to her.”? If they aren’t afraid of something or should I say if they both didn’t do anything wrong with the girl, and if Joran is the one to blame, then, isn’t it about time to speak up??? SILENCE won’t save their butts!!!
What a coincidence. I attend the same University RVDS did.
Just finished reading ”Poster’s” post from the link New Girl linked up above. It doesn’t exactly give specific clues, but it does shed some light on the mindset of the Island folks towards the tourists.
I’m thinking Greta or Geraldo or Natalee’s family should put out a request asking other American tourists who have visited Aruba in the past if they ever had an experience with this punk, Joran. After reading ”Poster’s” post and the suggestions of how these guys operate on American females, maybe there are others who he tried to lure in who could give some clues on where he took them and what happened after they got there. If what Poster said is true, we won’t be getting the truth from the parties involved, since they’re all covering for each other, so we’ll have to look elsewhere.
Also, a question. I’m trying to see if this is a rumor or the truth. On another message board today, someone commented that they had heard that the Police Chief is Joran’s godfather. Has anyone heard anything about that?
Two young men from New York were found murdered a few days ago while visiting the Island of St. Thomas. Why are we not hearing more about this? They were there for a wedding and I heard it on Saturday and then nothing more. Are their lives not as important as Miss Holloways?
Justin T are you still here?
sooz…I have heard the same thing…but I don’t know anything other than I read it on ones of these boards…sorry
Yes, I heard it on FOX that the police chief or commissioner was Jorin’s godfather. What I can’t believe and I heard it with my own ears was that Coes said that he went to the police and said that he saw Natalee getting dropped off at the Holiday Inn just to be a part of the action. Is that weird or what?
Coes the DJ admitted he was lying about seeing natalee getting dropped off. This lie is what lead him to being arrested.
We may see elder VDS getting arrested again with the security guard saying that Deepok told him that the VDS family, meaning the father, helped to concoct the original lie about the drop off at the Holiday Inn.
mouse- About PVdS, you may be right.
……Remember, while under the Aruban/Dutch system “suspects” can be arrested, they need not (and will not) be charged until there is sufficient evidence, which seems to mean that prosecutors there want as close to “slam-dunk” as possible before charging. PVDS was let go, but he could easily be picked up again. And apparently, the 48 hours, eight, day, etc. timelines start all over again (Auba lawyers please verify)
…..So the polis’ will no doubt surveil him from this point forward, continue gathering evidence, keep grilling JVdSand we may well see him arrested again…when they feel more confident that a charge is viable.
People
I have been reading this blog as well as others and have been closely following the MSM about this story.
I feel for the family of Natalee, but my conclusions are this.
She was murdered or kidnapped
The Aruban authorities are covering it up to protect their own. They are just appeasing the MSM and public because this is has turned into big story, giving them little information, misinformation to keep them off the factual trail. What do they have to worry about? As long as they keep the truth hidden, this will all blow away and people will forget. Already it has started to fall off the headlines.
Police ….why did they not bring the three “suspects” in immediately instead of after 10 days. It gave them enough time to hide whatever evidence they had. As well as enough coaching by PVDS and local athorities.
PVDS….Why did he tell Joran not to say anything..if he was innocent “your not an American you do not have to say anything” They were instructed to give afalse story.
PVDS knows the legal system there..no evidence, no body, no conviction…just 100 plus days at the most in prison and it will all be over.
JVDS…Why did he beat his chest and tell Natalee’s mother “What do you want me to do about it” If he did not think something happened? Common sense tells you, you just do not leave a foreigner on a deserted beach in the middle of the night miles from home. If that is not a BS story what is, the 1st story they gave?
Face it, this story is dead!!! I hate to say it, but it has been history weeks ago. It is just being drug out. The Arubans know this and they are playing the game.
We will never find out what happened to Natalee because the individuals that know can not be made to talk. All they have to do is stand there ground “holding up” as mentioned by PVDS and there lawyers.
Lets be serious here 20 days under intense interrogation? has anyone witnessed this interrogation after the 1st week when the FBI stepped out? heck the FBI has already pulled up their stakes and headed home. A month and this case has gone no where.
So people face reality or at least accept the possibility that the truth will never be known. Natalee is gone period.
Aruba may have the face of a nice resort tourist attraction but underneath the cabanas and flashing night lights is a place full of corruption, drugs, prostitution and deception. No regard for human life, especially for an American which they secretly hate, as long as they flash the money.
Heck even the locals are a bunch of wannabees who left their countries because they could not succeed there, case in point wannabe judge PVDS. It would not surprise me if he held a secret life as the head of a prostitution ring either on Aruba or a neighboring island.
There are allot of facts that point to an “incompetent” local authority. So who is going to do something about it? NO ONE, they were not incompetent, they played their game to protect their own and No one can tell them otherwise. Corruption is a way of life there. What makes this story more BS is how foreign countries can do whatever they want without repercussions. It is totally obvious what happened. It is the lack of solid proof that these individuals involved will walk away, unscathed. The individuals know it, the police know it, the higher officials know it and that is why after a month there is still no resolution to the disappearance of Natalee Halloway.
The Aruban Authorities are providing a elaborate cover-up.
Good Lord-
There’s no confirmation of the lie detector tests. I find it hard to believe the police would leak that information when they wouldn’t leak anything else.
There’s no rave. No underground party.
But we do know Joran was last seen with Natalee per Joran.
It’s not hard to figure out what happened next people. This is not as complex as some of you think. It’s plain and simple, murder and then disposal of the body.
Papa VDS is still involved. And yes, excessive perspiration is definitely a sign of rising blood pressure which can be caused by stress of knowing some information of what happened to Natalee. Beth Twitty said in her talk with the VDS family, that Anita VDS at one point had to get up and get a towel to wipe the table from the DRIPPING SWEAT from Paul VDS. Remember, this is when the cameras were off, no excuse for the hot lights, etc….
It’s pretty plain people. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I have been reading all of this with interest and also a growing list of questions/observations to contribute to the great thinking work going on at this blog. 1)what do others from her class say that were also on the trip? What did she do for the first four days? Did they go sightseeing as a group? How was she acting? Girls talk…especially HS girls…..Did she brag about any guys or talk about anything like gambling or parties? JT……she may have not been into drugs and stuff before but I have seen many a “good girl” go completely off the deep end once they are on their own in college and much like this trip. Her parents were not chaperones. She was by herself with other just-graduated teens. There is alcohol, kasinos, beaches, raves, all the fun and fast things that they don’t have in her home state. What did she talk about evey day to her friends? What did she say she did? Did she confide in anyone? 2)INTERVIEW THE CHAPERONES, GRETTA!!! Where were they. What were they doing? JT, why was everyone sleeping anywhere but their own room. Was there an implied curfew (obviously it was not kept)? How often did teens have to check in with a chaperone. That is pretty bad that they don’t know she is missing until time to get on the plane. What contact did they keep with the kids within the five day trip? Were they hearing rumors from other kids or hearing what was going on? Were they aware of the after hours parties, etc?
Anyhow, just a few questions to stimulate thinking. I am hearing tons of thought provoking questions on the island side but it seems that there will be lots of nuggets of knowledge gained from starting at “home” first.
Lawyers: wonderful conversation you are having…..I love it. I am a critical care nurse with much experience including having been slipped the date rape drug before in a drink. I remembered everything that went on. But I had no control over stopping myself. It was like I was in one of those old movies where the light flickers? Like I was watching the movie……
back to the critical care…..I have pretty much seen and done it all for the past 13 years. Lots of inner city and medical info to impart to the group (for the asking)
this is not about Natalee anymore. It’s about yourself, how sad you feel for yourself. It’s about the media, making loads of money. It’s about having a boring life and in need of a hobby, which is posting on this site.
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I have been reading about the posts the last week and it seems to me that americans are very caring… but only when they are directed in that way (by the media, by the government). I think you have difficulties with self-reflection, self-critiscm and seeing things objectively. Get a life and don’t believe the hype.
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It’s bad that this happened, but there are worse things. I find it very narrow-minded to single-out this case for puting your energy in. All this energy could have been used for building schools in Africa, searching for Natalee on Aruba, helping out the homeless, working and using the money you are earning extra for cancer and HIV research, etc.
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What does it help that you are all talking about something you don’t know anything about? Who does it help, except from yourself?
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Hypocrites… all of you.
yes….the sweating gives it all away. Same with eyes. They say it all. When someone is lying they ALWAYS have a twitch or tic and will not look you right in the eye. If they do it is given away by a twitch or fidget or…….profuse sweating!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
actually…..doctor……..it is just about being able to discuss/contribute to a world issue. Only since the internet can we read and actually contribute to world issues such as this. They actually have blog sections on the news now. Bloggers do not have the contraint of publicly owned media.
You obviously have read far enough down the thread and also posted. There is a big difference between paying to fly to aruba and look for this girl or offering up an idea. a million heads (maybe even a billion since we are talking the internet) are better than one. I do respect your opinion but think it is not realistic.
Well I feel that if Natalee is not returned, if JVDS gets away Scott-Free, then I swear I will start a boycott Aruba campaign to the best of my ability. Right now there is not a single nice memory for me of my three prior trips. The charms have had their masks removed and now I see the true Aruba…a lure, a trap, a place to prey upon the tourists. With the thousands upon thousands that visit Aruba a year, it is no suprise to see the lack of compassion being portrayed on the island. I wonder what the real statistics are regarding the numbers of girls that have simply vanished in Aruba. I am confident that Amy and Natalee are not the only two. I was very much opposed to U.S. troops going into Iraq to oust Saddam. I am however not opposed to the idea of sending our troops to Aruba and turning the island upside down until we find the answers to the questions and replace the lies with truths.
could someone explain the country house theory to me? Thanks
Nurse.
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I am not a doctor (that’s DR instead of DE, which stands for THE).
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This is not a world issue.
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A billion heads to come up with an idea to solving this case? Sure. Whatever.
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Realistic? Depends on how you see it. I think that the people on this board are causing a lot more confusion and have lost any sense of reality (sounds like… american!). Last night, Mr van der Sloot was on dutch TV and honoustly, he did not come across very confident, but the reasons could range from ‘he knows more about this’ to ‘the media is driving the people mad’. Anyway, being realistic is knowing the facts and knowing what is true.
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It’s very simple: if anyone of you would know the truth, this case was solved already. As nobody has access to the truth, you will never find it. Guessing may lead you to access to the truth, but it causes way more confusion and lies on the fly.
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Seriously, get a life. Your own life. Instead of someone else’s.
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Who gave you the right to invade the Holloway family and the Van der Sloot Family? Who gave you the right to invade the lifes of the people in Aruba? Or the people in Holland?
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I am glad that Georgie W is too busy figuring out how his new ipod works, otherwise it would lead to adding Aruba to the Axes of Evil…
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Another thing: check the source where you are getting your information from. Anyone can post here and talk out of their arses. Also the people you think that are on the spot and give you inside updates.
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Yould be cool if you had real universities in the States, producing smart people.
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Noww off you go, back to work.
De Beer- You are entitled to your opinions. And this is a forum where people are expressing their thoughts, of course everyone will not agree with them. But why the need to be so vicious and insulting?
And how busy life, your post reads like a novel.
Off you go now, back to whatever-
Funny… being accused of vicious and insulting by someone from this board…
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Honoustly, I think the whole thing is publicity stunt to show that there is more going on in Alabama than just the Mercedes plant.
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Or is that mean?
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Or are you allowed to have only positive theories? Like realistic and like duh.
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Kristin… so girl, send the troops!
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Now get back into your cave, please and realise that you should not think and talk when you are born out of an egg.
Supposedly the country house is where underground parties were held because it was off the beaten path which provided a buffer between it and nearby population. It is a house also suspected to be where Lorenzo owns or just lives at and as stated numerous times already, it is suspected that Lorenzo may be the source of date-rape drugs, ecstasy and other drugs. Natalee may have been enticed by the idea of having one final throwdown before leaving to return to her quiet world in Alabama.
Lets suspect for a moment that there is any truth to the above. There has been mention of something of Natalee’s being fund at this country house by the polis but nothing really mentioned. Lets suppose that there is truth to Lorenzo being a drug dealer. With the number of tourists the island sees a year, it would be a great distribution point. New faces on a regular basis, tourists drunk or high enough not to remember exactly who they got their drugs from. It would be a dealer paradise.
Lorenzo is known for his parties. Parties almost always include drugs. Whether given away or sold, there still has to be a source. The source most likely the cartels on the mainland…such as maybe Columbia? Now lets say that in order to fund said parties, a good bit of money is involved to pay for dj’s, equipment, lighting, drugs, alcohol, etc. If in fact Lorenzo is an island connection for the big dealers, then why not capitalize on the 3rd money making business on the planet…human trafficing. It is the perfect setting for it.
Raves attract young, pretty women, many that are naive and unfamiliar with what happens at them. The lure of excitement is usually enough to get them there. Once there, a little bit of GHB in a drink and suddenly the girls are having the time of their lives. They are unware they are drugged, they think that the atmosphere is what has them feeling so good. Now you take a predator such as Lorenzo or Joran and turn them loose. Sober, unaffected by drugs seeking their victims, as sick and twisted as it sounds, “shopping” the crowd like cattlemen at the stockyards.
Joran is the perfect scout, the perfect pawn, he is young, charming, tall, attractive, dark complexion, dark hair and the stereotypical “tall, dark and hansome” that woman fall for. A bit of attention, the girl is drawn in, he slips the drug into her drink and she is his. Off now from the beaten path with the music blazing, cries for help would fall on deaf ears. The girl is subdued, transfered to a waiting boat and the transaction complete…all the while nobody really notices.
You can read all my past postings, and not once have I been mean.
And my point is, if this board is full of idiots, as you feel, why are bothering to read and make posts.
And it would be easy for me to slam you with an insult, but that’s not what I am about.
So peace be with you man.
Kristin – good morning – Amy did not disappear in Aruba. She was last seen in Curacao.
my last e-mail last night was at 11:23pm….i am offended that u all would think that I would write the last messages on this post, u all , i thought, knew that i never would write like that especially u, LUCY….and u subdude…I AM PISSED that someone would violate me in that manner…and u all believed him/her……c’mon…I would never ever take any drugs…I am incredibly angry…pass news to all….Any post after 11:23 was not me….I never write with so many grammatical errors…u all should have known that…..I would never be offensive…..I am incredibly angry!!! PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO CRS, CHECKME, LUCY.SUBDUDE, AND concerned…u all were quick to find all other imposters that were out of character , but not me……AGAIN, my last post was at 11:23 PM….
De Beer -
Then why are you wasting YOUR time here? Your time might also be better spent building a school in Africa.
Kristin.
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How old are you? Did you ever leave the house of your parents or are you just watching foxnews? Maybe… just maybe… you are wrong?
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You don’t throw a party for selling drugs. It’s the other way around. Everyone knows the dealer and will direct you to him in case you need stuff. Police knows every dealer in the country – it’s called keeeping things under control (keep your friends close, but your enemies closer).
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Raves attract also really ugly girls… which sucks.
Duh Beer – don’t you have something else to do?
Troll. I’m out.
did anyone notice that the security guard never looked at greta while he talked to her?
New Girl,
Sorry if this is like the 50th time you were asked this, but I’m behind, I haven’t been on since 2:00 yesterday and I can’t read through all these posts. Can you PLEASE tell me who Lorenzo is and what site you were on about some underground thing? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks!
Good Morning! Glad I went to sleep before the pro-Joran / anti-American apologists joined us.
PLEASE check out the link wtfsit posted – it’s a blog by a pretty blond from Boston. She writes about Joran (but spells it like Uron) and some buddy named Reynolds. She even refers to Aruba being like the garden of EDEN, except for the DARKSIDE:
“I won’t detail all of the “bad” stuff I came in contact with while there, but there was a lot of it. I’ll just dish out some key words. Sex, drugs, arrests, strippers, prostitution. The island is owned by the Dutch, what do you expect? I was only a bystander for most of it, but Reynolds (a gorgeous Aruba native, and the man to know) and Uron (Reynolds’ friend from Amsterdam—need I say more?) brought the stuff all too close for comfort.”
http://peevedprincess.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_peevedprincess_archive.html
thanks for the explaination, Kristin in SC. Maybe she had her drink doctored before she left the eating/dancing place. Would explain why she would do something so crazy five hours before she had to be on a plane out of there.
De Beer (just knew you weren’t a doctor….thanks for clarifying….) actually de…I AM in europe. we ALL come from eggs (if you weren’t made from an egg there is a good alien board out there I am sure)…….
people, since DE does not want to help in the brainstorming shall we just ignore his condescending rantings and get back to the talk?
Kristin, I am still baffled at lack of info from other highschool kids and chaperones on the trip. That is a real starting point to have that kind of info. And BTW, I think what you went through as a kid only makes you stronger and better. It makes you who you are today. You have inner strength that shows in your written word.
Morning Ally–How are things going getting your life back together? I was reading posts from last night, but got tired of trying to determine if there was any new news.
Jake,
I am only here during the day..after work time consumed with daughter, dinner and work outs. Sorry
Morning PK
The girl from the peeved princess blog posted a photo too – could this be our JVDS in summer of 2004?
http://peevedprincess.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_peevedprincess_archive.html
Nicole – scroll up to my long post at 10:27 pm last night
PKTBK, please pass my above post about someone impersonating me to all—especially CRS, SUBDUDE, LUCY, SCAREDSH–LESS AND EWELL ANd ESPECIALLY CHECKME, I am offended that i was impersonated…i can’t believe they thought that was me…..I am very hurt…and this will be my last post. Tell checkme that I thank him for everything and for looking out for me, but most of all for making me smile….Goodbye all, takecare
New girl (new to this world or new to the concept off thinking before you talk?)
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I am dutch. You insult me and my country.
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Please apologise and tell the world that you are insane and think that America is the centre of the universe and that you actually do not exist.
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Hugs & Kisses
De Beer International – Sounds like you have had a few beer’s too many already. For the record, I am 34 years old. I have been on my own since I was 18 years old. I have travelled to Aruba 3 times, Cancun 2 times, Paris and London once each. I am far from the sheltered girl that you may think I am. I will not entertain any more of your insults.
Those MB kids know a whole lot more… I want to believe NH left the bar for another party under her own freewill. I have had a lot of friends that go on high school trips abroad and if it is not school run then nobody stays in their own room, especially on the last night.
It could be a different guy (the guy in the hottub photo looks a lot younger that our JVDS), but anyway, she posted another message about how Aruba (and getting a catcall when she got back to the US) left her feeling:
“Anyway, this and my recent stay in Aruba have not put men in a very good light for me. The whole objectification of women thing has become quite apparent as I attempt to navigate myself around this city via foot, bus, or train, and with no boy on my arm to deflect these obvious husband hopefuls from thinking that since I have breasts and am alone I must want to be ogled and shouted at. It just makes my day.”
KRIS, PKTBK PLEASE, pass my two above posts 8:45am and 8:31am to others especially CHECKME and everyone else named above…thank u…take care
does anyone know what time it is in Aruba right now? I am in Germany. It is almost three pm. I just wasn’t sure of the time difference. Wasn’t sure when news comes out of there.
Kristin. You globetrotter! No way! Excellent, that’s like, so much.
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Beer means Bear in dutch. Again an example that you see the world the way you want to see it; there are other languages too.
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Now all hug.
aruba time 8:53 am
thanks Jane
Hello Monkeys, well with everyday that goes by stories are getting shaped and bits of pieces are falling in place for a reasonable deduction of a timeline. We heard Mickey John stating that Joran and Family concocted teh Holiday Inn plan. Deepak and Satish went along with the coverup, until the girl Natalee never showed up.
Apparently girls seem to dissappear in ARuba for a couple of days, I do not know how frequent this happens. This would be an interesting followup story, and also the Choller/crack houses story perspective in Aruba.
Good morning all.
Ally:
I wish you wouldn’t go. I enjoy your posts, and know you wouldn’t post the idiotic ones you’re referring to. There is an IMPOSTER, that has been hiding behind everyone of us, saying very vulgar things.
You are not alone in that, but if you leave, the IMPOSTER wins. That’s what IT wants.
Ally–Don’t go. I am sure that everyone who knows you is quite certain that those are not your posts…
Checkme will understand that.
Ohh ok new girl, got ya now….
Ok so does anyone think that maybe Joran did leave Natalee on the beach and maybe when she woke up and was trying to walk back to her hotel she was approached by others and taken to an underground party? Could be possible, because last night on Greta that blonde reporter from Aruba said she DOUBLE checked with police and school that Joran was on his school bus at 6:50 a.m. Monday morning.
But that’s not how I really feel. I think Joran may have went to a party with her, and infact he was home, on time to go to school, BUT he knew what happened to her, as well as his father….I think THAT’s why his father made sure his @$$ was up ready and attended school..because when this did get out to the public, everyone would know that Joran was the last seen with her…and the blame would be all his.
Yliana,
what is the “amy” story and where is the place she was last seen?
“Da Beer”, if you are not here to brainstorm or offer information about finding Natalee, then you are just here to antagonize the people that do want to help. Thanks for the non-productive input.
NEWSBREAK
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De roddel oma van VK slaat door. De verhalen die nu de ronde doen op het eilandje gaan wel heel ver. Zo schijnt de Pa van Natalee in het dagelijks leven drugskartels op te rollen voor de kost. Dat doet meneer Holloway niet alleen vanuit de US, maar ook regelmatig vanuit het land waar meer cocabladeren verbouwd worden dan koffiebonen, Colombia. Nu beweert een ooggetuigen die anoniem wil blijven dat hij Natalee op de nacht van de verdwijning heeft gezien met een Yankee en een lokale Arubaan op het strand nabij het strand van het Holiday Inn. De ooggetuigen wil niet naar de politie of andere autoriteiten aangezien meneer zelf in de witte poeder handel zit. Tevens weet deze nachtapotheker te melden dat Natalee waarschijnlijk in opdracht van een Colombiaan is vermoord. Een Colombiaan die het wel eens aan de stok heeft gehad met Papa Holloway. Verder weet oma nog te melden dat de ouders van Natalee, die gratis in het Holiday Inn verblijven de gehele dag aan de bar hangen en hun zuipsessie alleen onderbreken voor een gesprekje met de media. Die oma toch… Gister hebben de ouders van Joran van der Sloot ook maar eens hun verhaal gedaan.
I think Joran went to a party with her and he may have seen something that he wish he didn’t. He and his father may just be scared and so enters the coverup.
Amy Bradley went missing in Curaà §ao, not Aruba. She was on a cruisehip.
News:
Sorry, but the only thing I can understand in your post is, NEWSBREAK. lol
Can u post in English, please? Thanx
Mornin’ all. I just wrote a semi-long post that I would like to contribute. Do you know how to make it be a link so I don’t slow down the board anymore?
Morning MOM–too early for a bud light?
were all the other hs kids and chaperones gagged from saying anything? Has anyone heard anything from the american side of the story? Did she have a camera or phone that took pictures? did she email any pictures to friends or family?
Hehehe. Mornin, Kris!
Yep! Too early for Bud Light, but I’m working on some “WAKE YOUR ASS UP RIGHT NOW” Coffee
Like a cup?
By reading back, I guess the imposters woke up early today. What is everyone’s thoughts on Mickey John and Steve Croes?
Would love one thanks. I tried to translate News’ post. I’ll copy here, but not sure how much sense it makes..
The gossip granny of UK comes through. The tales which do the round go now on the small island, however, complete far. Thus the pa of Natalee in daily living seems close down drug trusts for the costs. That does Mr Holloway not only from the US, but also regular from the country where more cocabladeren are cultivated than coffee broad beans, Colombia. Now claims eye witnesses that wants remain anonymous that he Natalee on the night of disappearance have seen with a yankee and a local arubaan on the range close the range of the Holiday Inn. The eye witnesses does not want to the police force or other authorities since Mr himself sits in the white powder trade. Tevens to weet this night apothecary that to communicate Natalee have been probably assassinated for a colombiaan. A colombiaan who it has, however, once had Holloway to the stick with papa. Further weet still to granny to communicate that the parents of Natalee, who stay for free in the Holiday Inn the whole day to the bar hang and only interrupt their zuipsessie for a loop sieve with the media. That granny nevertheless… Gister the parents of Joran of of the ditch have done also their tale.
hi mom
it is afternoon here in germany! I need some re-wake up my ass coffee!
sorry…i got on the phone and was sidetracked…ally, i am sure people know the real you. i was impersonated last week and they said i wanted to marry crs, so it’s all good.
so did anyone see how the security guard didn’t look at greta. isn’t that strange? like he was lying and couldn’t make eye contact.
Well, then here it is. I made it as compact as I could figure out how 2.
I was just listening 2 the radio & to a guy named Gary Spivey. Now, I tend 2 b cynical; but he was some sort of psychic who spoke to Lacey P’s father b4 Lacey was found. He has a tape of Lacey telling him whut happened & where she was. And Scott did it. The DJ asked about NH & he said all he sees is water. He said when so many people r thinking about such a situation it is hard 2 really read it. He said if he were 2 talk 2 a family member he would be able to know wut happened to her. He also said that Scott is a psychopath & wut happens with them is that a demon takes over at times & that is when the bad stuff happens. Then it leaves the guilty (Scott, Joran?) feeling like they really didn’t do anything wrong.
nurse,
in answer to your questions. There is no offical “gag” order on those that went on the trip. Countrymoon is a friend of NH who has posted here and been kind enough to answer our questions. There have been interviews here in the states with some of the kids on the trip.
NH camera was left in her room, her mom has viewed the pictures I don’t know if she emailed any or not..
The american side of the story is pretty much what I think you are hearing. CountryMoon has been able to clear up rumors for us though.
wow….that is very interesting. i’m glad the psychics are getting involved now. seriously.
Oh pktbk – you aren’t in love with crs? Now my whole day is thrown off.
And to whoever said yesterday my boss must be proud of me doing this during work hours – up yours. The reason I can do this is cuz I get my work done is lightening fast time. So there.
And I did see the security guard but didn’t feel he was lying. I think it is an uncomfortable thing that he was doing.
also can be a cultural thing as well (security guard thing). As a nurse I have even experieced that in certain areas with older men when I ask them questions.
Sometimes it is a sign of respect to not make eye contact (strange as it may sound)
no, i’m not in love with him. the couple of monkey land is checkme and lucy. lol
trisher-you don’t think he was lying? if greta is really big on mannerisms, then she will love this one after she watches it.
pktbk – I did notice that about John, it was very odd, I don’t necessarily believe him because of that.
nurse-i was thinking that while i watched. like in india, they don’t make eye contact i know. i wasn’t too sure with him though. i was hoping someone here could clear that up.
Well, I don’t THINK he was lying. I think he was either uncomfortable or like nursie said it was a cultural thing. It makes me nuts when people don’t make eye contact with me – but I don’t necessarily think it’s cuz they are lying. Now…I don’t think the following cuz I love almost all people, but he may feel like “she’s a big shot, I’m a security guard.”
I thought crs was a female.
yes, and usually when you can tell that it is a normal sign of respect, it is 1) a woman asking a man a question and 2) the man answers without making eye contact and seems to me to always be staring at a spot on the floor or wall …..in fact, it almost makes you look there to see what they are looking at! lol!
don’t know if that is the case here, but 14 years of telling family members that their loved one is in the icu gives you lots of people watching skills!
+ Security Guard is not use to being on TV
Many caribbean locals do not make eye contact, I’ve been to 6 or 7 islands and this is pretty common. Not sure why, just been my experience.
Here’s a blog I found doing a search for Lorenzo and Natalee. Not sure who the people are: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
crs-me too
but the culture thing did cross my mind. maybe if i had stayed up and watched the whole thing, greta might have clarified. lol
if he wasn’t use to being on tv i would think he would have rather looked to the side at greta instead of looking at the camera.
why did he wait so late to talk?
Big Pappy:
Not sure if you’re referring to anyone specific, regarding ‘eye contact’…my guess is PVDS. With that said, I find it difficult to imagine that as a judge-in-training, that he lacks those skills. Can you imagine handing down a sentence to someone, while perusing the courtroom, rather than making eye contact to the ‘criminal’.
I don’t buy it. Is it also normal for one to be sweating so profusely that sweat is literally dripping onto the interview table? Beth was adamant that during this interview w/ PVDS, that the air was circulating well in that room, and it was very cool and comfortable.
Just a thought.
pktbk – I saw the whole thing and Greta did not say anything. What about Croes, he is very odd.
De Beers – What gives us the right to “invade” these peoples lives and the Netherlands? What have you been smoking? We have every right to discuss and question what is going on. We have a free country and I thought you did too.
Concerning your university and intelligence comment. I must remind you that Americans are known for putting men on the moon while the Netherlands is known for smoking dope in public and picking out a date for the night by plucking a girl for hire out of a shopping window. Besides, we Americans know that everyone comes from eggs while apparently you didn’t. lol. I recommend you leave this site before you embarrass yourself even further.
Now, about Natalee, even if they have to fly Mickey back to the states to do it, why don’t they give him a polygraph? If he is telling the truth, he seems to have some powerful information. The statement that knocked me out of my chair last night was when he mentioned that he was told the brothers agreed to that story as a stall to give Natalee time to show up in a brothel or a crack house. If that is factual, is she, indeed, still alive?
Big Pappy:
After catching up and re-reading some other posts, I believe I must have referred to a different ‘interview’ than what you were posting. Sorry about that. But still, what are your thoughts on my questions?
Mom – we’re referring to the security guard on tv last night with Greta.
It is more than a little disturbing that it is Greta getting all this info and not the polis, it says one of two things, either the Polis is totally inept or Joran is being set up to take the fall for this.
Thanx, Trisher. Sometimes, I’m about 15 posts behind, as I am working…okay, just a little…but I am working. LOL
Hello.
crs – The Polis may have this info. We really don’t know what they know.
has he talked via tv yet? i have only seen him smiling a lot and hugging every female family member.
Mornin, Bham!
John said the polis did not know this because they had not asked him.
Sorry crs – missed that. I do think they know a lot more than we give them credit for, though.
Yes on Steve Croes, Greta had him last night and he said he was just trying to help and did not know Deepak at all, he was very nervous, this guy is either a nut job, was hoping to get the reward or is involved in it.
Folks, just fyi:
I got this link from Riehl World Blogs
**Here is a link for the interview with the VDS on NOVA, Dutch television.
It is in Dutch though
but maybe you can look at the facial expressions of P VDS.**
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?cfid=37714282&cftoken=64754700&ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=3540
One thing that hugely stood out to me when Great interviewed Beth lastnight. Maybe I got it wrong but Beth seemed to be thinking that Natalee came back after C & C’s and packed her bags then went out again, did I read too much into that?
One thing for sure, leaving with only your ID is very telling though isn’t it?
No money, someone was going to be paying for whatever was going on. If you’re just going to the beach or on a walk, why take ID at all? Sure seems as though she knew she only needed ID for whereever they were going.
I think Beth is an incredible woman, I also think she knows more than she can still say. She continues to say things like “Natalee is still on this island” and while that could be a parents positive thought I really feel like she knows more. I also think her resolve will be to dig deeper, beyond finding Natalee, to make sure she does all she can to not have it happen to anyone else.
Trisher I have lost faith in the polis and i think it is highly possible all the boys walk next Tuesday when this eight day cycle ends.
If it was just a cover for his son, then I don’t think PVDS would be as nervous. Maybe there is something that he is scared of….and Mickey John’s interview last night leads you to believe that drugs could be involve.
Pappy – Beth specifically said NH did not come back to the hotel.
If Croes was just trying to get the reward money, that is what he would have said, not all that other blubbering crap. You would say “I thought I new something, I wanted the reward money, that’s it”, he’s still involved, and Mickey John is still sketchy if you ask me.
Dublin said Why were they washing their car at 2:00 a.m. This is the first of that! Any more info on it? One of them has to have the decency to fess up to what went on…no parent should ever have to go through this.
i was asking about croes….i would hope the polis is five steps ahead of greta or us, but i am starting to doubt.
The Big guy upstairs knows exactly what went on….they can hide the truth from us…but not from him.
I understand crs. IF I were to visit Aruba, my fear would not be visiting there but getting stung for something that I did not do and sitting in jail for 164 days cuz of their incompetence.
hi mom, I am new to posting here….but I was talking about the cultural thing of looking at the floor when asked direct questions by women (I have experienced that as a nurse) per the Greta interview with the security guard. However, I am all over what you said about the sweating!!!! There is no way he just dumps out sweat while just plain talking. NO WAY.
can anyone give island insight on how someone could just “turn up” at a crack house or brothel? Would that mean someone dropped her there after the rave, etc?
Regarding Natalee only having her ID w/ her & no money…
How do we KNOW Nat had no money w/ her. She couldn’t have had cash? I highly doubt that she would just assume all her drinks would be ‘on the house’, or bought by someone else. That just doesn’t float.
you cannot convict someone on “sweat”. You cannot convict someone on “changing stories”. Joran is not going to confess (after 3 weeks interogation, would have happpened by now). I wonder if the judge this weekend will order him held for another 60 days on the scant evidence proffered by police. Perhaps they will bow to political pressure, but in an ordinary case – Joran walks. I hope Natalee is found soon, so forensic / toxicologic evidence can be obtained. I think justice will weep.
Ally
Don’t worry about what Impostor #2 said. We all know it wasn’t you because it is not your style. There is nothing wrong with you liking, admiring, respecting someone you “meet” here, or loving the drop of intimacy that you can experience with one or more posters.
I really hope you don’t stay away, because we would all really miss you. You are spontaneouslly fun and have definetly made Monkey’s a better place to hang around.
Hope to see you later.
Hello Nurse! Did I read correctly, that you work in icu, and you’re from Germany?
Sorry, difficult to stay caught up sometimes.
I don’t have cable, so I miss soooo much of the latest news. That’s why I rely on this blog, and folks like YOU. Thanx!
Unfortuanately, none of us really know what happened, who is to blame, etc… We can
only speculate. The authorities must have other leads they do not discuss with anyone.
I feel terrible for Natalee and her family, but there is nothing a parent can do to prevent
whatever happened. The chance of something similar is much more likely in the US. I pray for a miracle here. Jail talk is not hard evidence, stories can be told to lead one in
another direction. I don’t believe the K brothers are innocent either, they would have fessed up by now. If something bad did happen, they were also involved. Why would the
brothers expect Natalee to show up in a brothel or crack house. The whole thing makes no sense. I have followed this story almost as an obsession, and the roller coaster ride
is terrible. Her poor family. Will it ever be solved? Are the authorities just grasping at
straws?
I can just dump out sweat sitting at my desk – you know – “hot flashes” – but I doubt PVDS has those. lol
That’s it – the guilty should be made to experience menopause – that’ll beat the crap out of them.
My gut feeling, instinct – it won’t be solved but they will find NH.
Who reported a “car washing” at 2 am? There is so much disinformation (bs) on this blog.
Mike 1:
I don’t think anyone in here is foolish enough to think ‘sweating’ would bring a conviction. My point was simply, that it makes him unreliable & unbelieveable. Beth said after that interview that she is CONVINCED pvds knows something. I can’t blame her.
Just my thoughts.
I heard the car wash thing – maybe on RiehlWorld?
I beleive Mickey is telling the truth about Deepak saying the “the VDS family” came up with the HI story. Deepak and Satish were willing to lie, knowing that they would be implicated since they were among the last seen with Natalee. Mickey did not mention this when initially released because he feared saying it…..Paul VDS is, to him, someone who could harm him…..get him slapped right back in jail. Perhaps Deepak and Satish were only told something bad happened to Natalee and they neede to cover their own a……..
Hey, if they will pin two innocent black guys, they will pin 2 innocent Surinamese
Hey all……do we have any NEW news today?
man…am i slow on posting or what?! get it together woman!
so they polis didn’t ask him any of this? wow. they just flat don’t care. he said they didn’t apologize for wrongfully arresting them. that was interesting.
Failing to look someone in the eye does not always mean a person is lying or disrespectful. It also means the person is shy or intimidated. I had to work very hard with at least two of my own children to TEACH them to look people in the eye.
I put my money and ID in mypocket when I go out so I don’t have to carry a wallet. I presume Nat did the same.
RE: Joran’s “stated” walk home after leaving Nat on the beach. I think he changed his story to Satish gave him a ride home because there were surveillence cameras on the route to his house from the Marriott which did not pick him up walking home. This is what Satish’s lawyer said on FOX last night…That Joran’s latest line is that Satish picked him up. However, Satish denies it.
Yliana-are you here?
If Deepak told Mickey that the VDS “family” was involved in making up the HI story, surely he has also told the police???????? This smells of a cover up
I was reviewing the timeline posted at /?p=357 and there is still something that bothers me – the car wash:
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?…….Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
12:45 am………Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
1:30 am………..Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
2:00 am………..Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2-3:00 am…….Neighbor sees Kalpoe brothers washing Deepak’s car
So ask yourself the question – why do this so early in the morning? I have no idea of the terrain in Aruba, but it’s highly unlikely that the boys ran her over or hit her with the car (i.e., like a deer). The only other reason to wash the exterior…is that somehow it could incriminate you as being at a certain place (i.e., muddy area or dusty area). Anyone have any theories as to why the boys were washing the car?
A couple more stories from Joran, and he can yell, BINGO!
Mornin’, Larry
Dan Riehl stated on Blog News Network that it was suggested that the car was cleaned above and beyond normal standards of one might expect since not even a hair was found in the car she was known to have been riding in.
Mom, she had a big wallet, so I guess it’s possible to take some cash and just ID, I’ve done that before many times.
Thanks CRS for clarification re: Nat returning to hotel.
Boston, Amen, we’ll all have an accounting to give upstairs, these boys are no exception.
Ally in Miami…knew right away it wasn’t you posting ….you are too classy for that imposter’s drivel
one of the guests on nancy grace brought up the class system they have there. that would explain people not coming forward so much. and that stinks. just find her. at this point i don’t care if they find out who took her, just find her.
Good morning, everyone! Don’t you folks sleep? If there’s no news today I intend to declare my love for Simian and/or subdude via my doppelganger.
A rough translation of NEWS’ post courtesy of Altavista:
“The gossip granny of UK comes through. The tales which do the round go now on the small island, however, complete far. Thus the pa of Natalee in daily living seems close down drug trusts for the costs. That does Mr Holloway not only from the US, but also regular from the country where more cocabladeren are cultivated than coffee broad beans, Colombia. Now claims eye witnesses that wants remain anonymous that he Natalee on the night of disappearance have seen with a yankee and a local arubaan on the range close the range of the Holiday Inn. The eye witnesses does not want to the police force or other authorities since Mr himself sits in the white powder trade. Tevens to weet this night apothecary that to communicate Natalee have been probably assassinated for a colombiaan. A colombiaan who it has, however, once had Holloway to the stick with papa. Further weet still to granny to communicate that the parents of Natalee, who stay for free in the Holiday Inn the whole day to the bar hang and only interrupt their zuipsessie for a loop sieve with the media. That granny nevertheless… Gister the parents of Joran of of the ditch have done also their tale.”
Thoughts?
Good Morning
I am new to blogs, lately have been reading on/off a good bit, but rarely post. You just don’t know who or what is fact, rumor or a bald face lie just to stir emotion and cause conflict.
We do know that NH is missing for a month now. She comes from a broken family that at least in the media seems to function rather well, especially where their offspring are concerned. Whatever differences they have or had are put aside and NH is priority number 1. My heart hurts for the Twilleys and the Holloways..
Although not officially classified as a homicide , it has to be investigated as such. Homicide 101 says the first suspects are always family, which I think we can rule out. Next, who was the last person(s) that was known to have seen the victim? No question there.
Even though we all have our individual differences and cultural differences, people are still people. We are creatures of habit. Changes from the norm or deviations from habits, indicate stress, or being untruthful. This case can be solved with the right people asking the right questions.
Momma VDS gives the appearance of a victim of domestic violence, and a co-dependant. J and P VDS, and the 2 brothers have the answers.
Mickey stated that he has been too angry to help the police since his rude awakening for an arrest. Also, he seemed to imply that the police did not ask him further about what Deepok said while he was in jail with him.
If it weren’t for Greta and the Holloway/Twitty amateur investigation team, this case would have stayed a missing person case forever, most likely.
What is bogus is Croes, the DJ, explanation of why he went to the police and said that he saw Natalee getting dropped off with the brothers and Joran and HI. He denied that he knew any of the three boys. He did it to be a part of the action. What’s he smoking?
Hey MOM.get my email?
jacqueline-that’s what i read. that it was too clean, like they went overboard making sure it was clean.
Mom, What amazed me watching Greta lastnight was ALL THE STORIES. Give me a break we’ve heard multiple variations of stories from Joran, no way Croes is completely being honest if you ask me. Mickey now “elaborating” on more story details. Whole thing way out of control.
if they were out there washing the car in the middle of the night I would consider that pretty damning evidence.
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crs – circumstantial, will not convict, so not that damning. Heck, one of the brothers got sick…..
thank ya red
Anyone remember back in the early days when there was a report of a “confession” , and that “something bad happened” , and ” the suspect is leading police to a body” … The is a possibility that this all did take place , and is now hidden ….. !!!
Thanks REd!
Rosenburg,
The interior car wash could be for bodily fluids. She could have been sick from the date rape drug as well. Maybe they had sex with her in the back seat. Anyway, NO ONE cleans their car out at 2:30 am unless you have something that smells, will stain or will land you a prison term.
Larry:
Yep. Just now read/replied. THANX!
instinct…….they had the girl in their car….they know what happened….even if there is no physical blood to speak of……what do we do to get rid of the “diryness” of what happened and erase any connection???….washing….. happens after rapes and even happens with stalking. Happens if you walk into a dirty place and it makes you feel icky….you want to wash your hands….. just a thought
mom…yup, icu nurse in germany. we only get scant fox and no greatta and she is my fav! Even since her hippy-hair days at cnn!
mike-but supposedly they were cleaning the outside. if you puke in the car, the outside doesn’t need cleaning. and why detail the whole inside of the car in the middle of the night?
jj – where’s the body?
Arubacoverup…..I think your analogies are RIGHT ON on…….
One other thing……Nataliee’s mom is one tough woman who has used her which could of been negative energies and turned them positive to uncover the deception in Aruba which has been made public……Prayers to the Family……
C ya’ll in the next post!
All Those hours of Faa-der-sloot’s questioning could have made for some ample ablibi planning with authorities
that gossip granny stuff is the most stupid post I have read on this subject.
I never thought of them possibly running her over. Maybe she tried to run after the
rape.
JJ
The FBI is witnessing the interrogation, although they are not actively involved.
pktbk – you never saw someone puke on the outside of a car? Where did you go to college??
I agree JJ. And bringing elder VDS in as a suspect gave the insiders time alone, away from the media to regroup.
mike 1: too funny. my brother in law puked out the window of a rent a van here in germany and we had to powerspray the brown bread he had eaten off of the side. It would not even come off with the power spray (that german brown bread is tough stuff!) Good point…
Mike, 8-10 days diverting “authorities” towards scapegoats would give ANYONE time to get rid of a body and destroy evidence.
I wonder what the us FBI thinks of what they are witnessing. Is there any way to find out? Can they intervene if they think the job is not been done properly?
in terms of international law, that is
There is no deception in Aruba. I undertsand some concern, but you cannot take TV news programs that are more akin to entertainment than actual news and base your opinion on that.
If Mickey John knows nothing of the disappeareance that he should just shut up. He runs the risk of being brought in again for questioning.
The gossip granny stuff was written with a degree of unneeded sarcasm, but if you live in Aruba you would know that it is true what is described about Natalee’s parents’ behaviour.
Mark 2: Your comments are foolish. The US and it’s policies have made most of the world forget any accomplishement of placing a man on the moon. I know you love your country and that is OK, but to keep you can’t deny that the US known for some pretty ugly things too. ‘
I have been unable to confirm any car washing / car detailing took place. Can anyone provide confirmation? I get NOTHING from google or google news on any car wash car washing aruba. Where does this rumor come from?
Wielder,
The Twittys have spent the last month hiking the entire island, visibly losing at least 20 pounds, distributing flyers, posters, combing through trash and dumps, distributing bracelets and prayer cards, talking to locals, attending prayer vigils, meeting with media, authoritites and investigators. What are they supposed to do now? Lie in the sun and work on their tans? I know I would go to the bar and have a few drinks. Do you have a better suggestion?
Trisher,
That is so funny that your at work on this site all day!!! LOL!! so am I!! I’m waiting to be called into my bosses office any day now!! I can’t stop reading all the info though!! And I, just like you, get my work done super fast, and can be on this site at the same time! So funny!
Trisher & Nicole: Why don’t you introduce your bosses to this site, that way they can get addicted as well!!! hahahahahah