RSSMountain Brook Community Turns Out For Natalee Holloway & Family
On Saturday the community of Mountain Brook, AL including many of Natalee Holloway’s classmates turned out for a fund raiser for the Holloway family. The community came together in support of the Holloway/Twitty’s symbolized by group of Natalee’s teenage girl friends put on their matching silver wishbone necklaces, a sign of their lasting friendship.
At the fund-raiser Saturday afternoon, a group of six Mountain Brook teenage girls put on matching silver wishbone necklaces, a sign of their lasting friendship. “Natalee still has hers,” Mallie Tucker said at the concert raising money for the search for Holloway. “Natalee is my best friend and I’d do anything to bring her home.” “We just get together and pray,” said Frances Ellen Byrd, also wearing her wishbone necklace. “We can’t wait for her to get home.”
The benefit was held at Oteys, co-owned by Doug and Joy Smith, with musicians Matthew Mayfield and Will Mason of the Moses Mayfield band performing as well as donated items being auctioned off.
“This is a way we can show our support,” Joy Smith said. “It’s a strong community,” Doug Smith said. “Everybody’s ready to do everything they can.”
Some of our own Scared Monkeys attended the benefit and described it follows:
Well, driving up to it gave me goosebumps. There were yellow balloons everywhere, people spilling out all over the parking lot, and the age range was from newborn (12 weeks) to this adorable couple AT LEAST in their 70′s. Coolers of beer, soft drinks, etc. and tables with hot dogs and such were all out on the patio – free for the taking. A girl had a table set up for people to make donations – there was always a line. Another table was set up w/ a silent auction for these beautiful crosses made by Anita Miles (she who started the yellow ribbon campaign w/out even knowing the family). I’m sure that will bring in hundreds. Lots and lots of teenagers, but just as many grown ups. I was also pleasantly surprised to see some friends of mine that didn’t know the family at all – provided support just because they wanted to.
While I was waiting to introduce myself to Marcia Twitty, (Natalee’s aunt, sister in law of Jug and Beth), I overheard Paul DeMarco, local state representative, asking what he could do to help and offering to go to Aruba.
We had asked some of our Scared Monkeys to pass out fliers to show our support and to ask the community of Mountain Brook to feel free at any time to email us about any events, occurrences or stories that they wished to share regarding Natalee Holloway. Our Scared Monkeys did not disappoint.
I took the fliers with me but wanted to make sure with Marcia that it was appropriate to distribute them and she was more than OK with it.
Another one of our Monkeys (aka Charlotte) that attended the benefit described it like this:
I would say about 300 people there. Otey’s, the place where it was held is in a shopping center in Crestline Village which is one of the 3 villages of Mountain Brook. Otey’s is pretty small so everyone was outside. It seemed to me there were all ages there from students to their parents, to younger parents with young children. It kind of had the atmosphere of a big block party- just people getting together for a common cause. This community has been extremely supportive of the Twittys. You have to understand that Mountain Brook has always had the reputation of being an upper class, somewhat snobby community, which is really not the case. I have never been so proud to live here as I am now, seeing how some many people, most of whom didn’t even know Natalee have pulled together to help this family.
The mood of the benefit wasn’t a sad event at all as we were told and our reader managed to catch a glimpse of Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay who she recognized from TV. Another one of our fellow Monkeys that attended the benefit said, “the people I spoke with were generally positive. Also, just heard on the local news here that 19,000 dollars was raised”. However, what most stuck out in another one of our Scared Monkey’s mind of the entire benefit was this moving image she will always remember:
I think the most vivid picture that stands out in my mind is the brick, 2-story, 4 sided clock that you see as you enter Crestline Village and the huge yellow bows placed on each of the 4 sides.
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221 Responses to “Mountain Brook Community Turns Out For Natalee Holloway & Family”
Than you Scared Monkeys! You do good
http://www.dps.state.al.us/public/abi/system/missing/children.asp
Just a list of missing children from Natalee’s homestate of AL. Which begs the question: why are the media so focussed on this one lady, but ignore all those others? What is so special about her case that deserves so much more attention from the media?
Jan – There are hundreds of thousands of children missing – there are hundreds of thousands of people who pray and are concerned for all of them. You are at a blog site for Natalee Holloway. Hence, concern is centered on her.
Do not come here if you are negatively effected. Don’t go away mad – just go.
Well put, Knear!
Is anyone else having trouble with this site?
Any truth to the rumour Nh has been found?
Edie, yes, let’s hope this page is better.
I hope Simian joins us here
no news yet.
am having trouble on this site…too many blogger s i believe
How do we know simian is for real? He made it sound like the whole thing would be solved Sunday
It cannot possibly be true. I think B2B wild is impersonating
I hope SImian comes to, do you think they really found her. I will keep posting in the other chat for Jake ans Simian to join us in here.
Edie, i was thinking the same thing on b2bw, it did not start until he arrived and he hates everyone.
i think he was kill also
Your probably right.
They are sick and need to grow up
Here’s one translation from internet:
There is no lightening for the cattle tenders. This monkey jamas would mention the suffering of another one with excalmacià ³n. It is necessary to wait for, because hancha is very and very deep that hollow water plenty. The boy has a history with that area. He looks for Aruba and he looks for Noord, he looks for Mountain and busc Moko. The possibility becomes reality. That is the hope.
well, it’s time to eat. hopefully the idiots will go feed as well and let this board get back to some kind of normal?
I dont think they found her, wouldn’t we have heard by now?
Internet translation of Simian’s 2nd to last post:
The cowboys profudamente have the feet in that dirty water. Safe Estan of its maquinas. Babylonicos estan there to recojer if it is necessary. From Mountain to Moko it is not much to walk. This monkey this contectado with the waves of micro. The vultures already arrived to eat of angustà a. Already under the pajarito of the cable. It is necessary to wait for a little so that it is let know because to his dead dogs alli dull.
Are you all having trouble accessing1191?
So there was no body found
These are your ideas of jokes? What I have read so far is sick and disgusting. I thought this site was going to shine a litte bit of light on a dark situation that all of us that were on the trip are trying to get through. I can not believe that a person would want to joke about something so disgusting. This is a life. Nat is a person! My God I am so disgusted. I will never go on posts sites ever again.
I think that was fake SIM who said all of that. I have the radio on and there is nothing.
Edie, why do you say that?
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting
Concearned I have having trouble everytime i post or refresh.
BREAKING NEWS: I Yells wife has dropped 10 pounds!!! JK. Nothing yet guys!!
Country – you have to weed through the garbage sometimes on these boards, be patient, did you go to the benefit this weekend?
Yeah Jake you finally came. Was SImian lying about finding the body?
Country-Those disgusting posts were not ours! Someone is posting them up with our names!
Shango is now repeating (again and again) that Babalu hit the nail on the head with the following post:
Babalà º Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
CRS~ I am sorry I have read what this Simane guy has written and it has made me cry. How horrible. Why would he joke around like this? Is that fun????
Yes I was at the benefit, wonderfull time, everyone is so supportive. Thank you all for that. Nat will be so happy to see all the pictures and videos of people who love and suppport her.
I don’t think so. Ally had asked the REAL Sim to post in Spanish, and he did. Unless the imposter speaks Spanish as well. Sim was getting a little weird there at the end, but not in a bad way.
If NH was indeed found, we will get breaking news but the crime scene cannot be compromised at this point. We pray for NH’s family and I hope Natalee is alive somewhere, but I think everybody is ready for some kind of closure.
Country – that is not the real SIM, the board has had trouble with imposters the last couple of days.
there was someone impersonating my friend leopard queen….I am sure it’s some sicko adolescent.
If a body is found, you will read it in bold font on http://www.scaredmonkeys.com, and foxnews.
SS- I think edie nailed it, it was b2bw doing it.
Did the other discussion board get taken down?
One post made yesterday by Simian was a confirmation for me that he’s got legit inside information. At 4:04 pm he posted: Simian Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.
When news broke at around 6 pm that elder VDS had been ordered released by the judge and had been alreasy released from custody, it seemed clear to me that Simian knew this at 4:04.
Where is leopard today?
Scared Monkeys Headlines beat all the others, even Fox news. They always seem to be one step ahead of the others.
I agree that it seems odd to put so much media out about one missing child when 1000′s are missing, but I think it was because there was some hot leads to follow with the video tape showing some evidence of her last being seen and the fact that these boys know something, There is a lot of pressure being put in these boys so the truth will come out. Because one of the suspects is a judge’s son brought on more attention. I think like all of the other cases, they are using the media to get to the truth. I still believe that the boys might have sold her to one of the party boats. Time, date and events does not lend to much else except for possible murder. But if you look at the time frame of leaving to the point of when phone calls were made, what else could have happened?
I am sure the imposter is a bored adolescent who thinks he can “shock” people. for one thing, his English and grammar were awful
Sim does seem to have some good info.
CRS: Leopard was disgusted with people impersonating her. She’s an older lady and finds trash talk offensive.
As for the other missing kids: lots of them in the USA are taken by relatives. However, there are those taken by pedafiles too. we were discussing that in my home at a family party. My relative’s a cop & he poo-poo’s that there is more child attacks than in the 1970s something i disagree with! I think there are many more dangers for kids out there than when I was a young teen
Why does this guy talk in riddles?
Let’s be honest, the location and the fact NH is a beautiful girl are the reasons this case originally recieved so much attention.
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk
The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/ The birdie has come down from the cable/ we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there
sim-translation—-sorry guys i am at work—Sim te lo agradezco muchisimo—tu eres un angel
Country, i am not sure on why Sim does that, if you get Neal Boortz in your city, tune in, he is talking about the possibility NH was kidnapped right now.
Hi there again – I got knocked out of 1191 since this morning – couldn’t get back on either. Maybe too many blogs, high traffic stalled the site.
CountryMoon:
Every day we regulars discover some angry SICK WACKO’s on the blog. Ignore them. This site is in suport of Natalee and our heartfelt prayers are with her, the family and all that know her. Sick people are everywhere. They even hide behind computers!
NEW GIRL, the word Babalu and Shango are words used by the religion of “Santeria” .
Nat is alive. We all feel it. If she were dead I think our spirits all would feel it, and feel her there with us. She is alive. I know it. She is.
It had nothing to do with location or how Natalee looks it was because Beth Holloway was came to find her daughter and meant to be persistant till theend that is the ONLY reason.. well besides news station getting alot of attention
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
this is a good site for translation
I think Sim has inside info. The crytic language is to keep him/ her from being found out. Also, he/she leaves intermittently which may be to prevent being traced, and therefore compromised.
or that he or she is close to the seen and goes to look and then come back and tell us
and that should be “scene” not “seen”
Last night, on Geraldo at Large, The Equussearch team stated that they are CONFIDENT of finding NH in 2 days ……… How can they be so confident? Do they know something?
I don’t know if this poster is the real Simian or not. However, I recall from the Laci Peterson case that the side scan sonar can project shockingly accurate images of shapes below the surface of the water. Once they find a body-like shape, they send a diver to follow the cable down to the object, and the diver can confirm what it is that they have found.
But they will still need to carefully recover her, if it is true that they have found her. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
This has a lot of attention because of Mrs. Twitty. She is not going to let them stop looking for Nat. You should have seen her when she got off the plane in Aruba. We were there waiting for her, along with a few members of the Police of Aruba. They tried to say their welcomes and she simply gave her bags to one of them and said “Where is Natalee. ” She had her serious face on. She is a tough lady.
No one can trace simian from Aruba, unless scared monkeys gives access to their servers.
crs-i also think the imposter was b2bw. Poor leopard (the original)!! I feel really bad for her.
Steve Croes’ mother is now on the radio talking about his son, how he is very sensitive around blood – how he faints at the sight of it. She also said her son is a very gently man.
Well, either Sim or Shango said last night that some birdie was singing (croes?). That might give the authorities and Equusearch a good idea of where to concentrate their efforts.
maybe it was Croes that sang..that is why he got realeased
Scared, why did you put “shock” in quotes?
The real leopard was a trip, I hope she returns.
gently?? I mean gentle
They are reporting on the news that nothing has been found. It was a lie
ydave,
I agree with you to a point, but don’t ever underestimate the ability of certain entities to perform traces anywhere they want.
there have been so many PRAYERS for Natalee that I wouldn’t be surprised, only joyous, if she’s still alive. I do think simian is legit if he posted PvS would be released before we knew it from the NEWS. As forthe imposters, totally ignore them. Don’t respond angrily to their posts as that IS WHAT THEY WANT!!!
Does anyone know if Greta is going to have the Croes kid or papa VDS on tonight? Jake, what about your girl, NG, is she going to have anything good tonight?
edie:
Can you provide a link? I will not believe ANY more reports, without a link to the poster’s resource.
I’m soooooooo tired of false reports, I could just barf!
Jake,
How’s it going?
Country Moon–How did the fundraiser go? You were in my thoughts Sat. I hope it went well for you and hope that answers come up soon.
when did I put “shock” in quotes?
If anyone is interested in the kind of image that side scan sonar can project, here is a link. Be forwarned though – this is a sonar image of a body at the bottom of 148 feet of water:
http://gralston1.home.mindspring.com/Bearlake.html
hmmm- i thought i was Jake’s girl !!
For Croes to be able to “sing,” he’d have to be complicit. In “singing,” he’d admit guilt, and thus he wouldn’t have been released.
Mom,
I was just watching fox news. That is where I got my info. I don’t know why people put false info on here.
Hey I am back did I miss anything?
From the Riehl World View blog:
Just had a communication from Aruba – search dogs have gotten a “hit” in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.
As posted yesterday, today’s grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.
I’m told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/breaking_aruba.html
Newgirl: wow, that was some image! What technology can do today!
Edie what is the news saying? Was Simian lying about them finding her body?
I don’t think croes “sung” any tune.
simian—por favor dame mas informacion….otra vez, te agradezco todo!
Newgirl–thanks for the info
Rachael,
When did Simian say that? I’ve been gone a while
Thats pretty cool, new girl, thanks for the link.
dude – I agree – especially since he could be detained on suspicion alone. There was just nothing there to detain him further.
scared, at 12:34PM
The news sia there was no new info.
12:34 post Scared, “shock”, are you him?
The Santeria religon can include animal sacrfice….maybe that is why SIM keeps referring to dead dogs being put where the search team is looking.
thanks edie,
I can’t seem to get any links to cnn or anything to work today. I am lost without my online news radio
Simian said that awhile ago
Kris & Ally- I know my imposter called me gay, but I’m a girl! Sorry, and I’m not gay! hee hee hee hee…..Ally, we live in the same city!!!
Holloway: Two steps backward?
Recent arrests are a setback in the case of the missing teen
COMMENTARY
By Clint Van Zandt
MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler
Updated: 11:26 a.m. ET June 27, 2005
“I didn’t mean to do it.” This may well be the second best defense eventually offered by one or more of the suspects in the now four week old disappearance of 18-year-old American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, with their primary defense being silence. The three current suspects in this matter, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak (age 21) and Satish (age 18) Kalpoe, have changed their stories at least two or three times concerning their contact with Holloway on the night she disappeared. The Kalpoe brothers, through their attorney, have also accused Joran of having changed his story to put the blame on them for Holloway’s disappearance. In Joran’s most recent version of the night Natalee disappeared, he said the two brothers dropped him and Holloway off at the beach near the Marriott Hotel, and that he eventually left her alone on the beach, this as “that was what she wanted,” and he then walked the two plus miles to his home. Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot, a local judge in training, has been in custody for three days, charged with complicity in the “kidnapping and premeditated murder” of Holloway. Paulus, who has waived his right not to testify against his son, has now been released by a judge who found that there was not enough evidence to continue to hold him in custody. His arrest may have even been a ploy by Aruban police in their attempt to force his son, Joran, to tell what else he knew about Holloway’s disappearance, one that may simply not have worked.
Two down, three to go
On Sunday Aruban authorities also indicated that they will release 26-year-old party boat disc jockey Steve Croes, the fifth suspect in this case. It is unlikely that the other three suspects will be immediately released, but the 118-day detention clock is slowly ticking away on the Aruban authorities, and when the clock runs out they must make their case in trial or let the three go, and there will continue to be a mandatory review of their incarceration every eight days until they are tried or released. Evidently Croes, a friend of one or more of the Kalpoe brothers, voluntarily told authorities that he had witnessed Joran and the Kalpoes drop Holloway off at her hotel, thereby confirming their alibi, one later acknowledged by them as being a lie. Because of Croes’ false report he was arrested and held in custody. Croes’ arrest may have also been related to the authority’s belief that he had access to a small boat that could, perhaps, have been used to transport Holloway somewhere on the waters surrounding Aruba. Croes’ release, like that of Paulus van der Sloot, is due to a similar finding by the local judge that there is not reasonable suspicion to support the belief that he was involved in Holloway’s disappearance.
Searches on the island of Aruba to date by Aruban Police, Dutch Marines, local citizens, tourists and the FBI have not located Holloway. Meanwhile, a private Texas search organization hired by the Holloway family has commenced its search for Natalee, although some members of this organization hold out little hope of finding her, while others confidently state that they will find her in two days. The places that Holloway could be hidden on land in Aruba have supposedly been searched, but the ocean is wide and deep. The searcher’s best bet for finding her, should she be deceased, will probably be on and especially under the warm Caribbean waters circling Aruba, a vast sea area in which few searches have been conducted for her to date.
Current theories concerning Natalee’s disappearance
But what has happened to Natalee? Let’s consider the current theories that have been advanced by many of you who have written to me at “Profiler’s Perspective” to explain her disappearance, and the likelihood of each:
1) Theory: She simply ran away, escaping to start life anew on another island for some unknown reason.
Response: At age 17, she has no history of any such prior behavior, and did not have the means, i.e., money, identification, etc., to facilitate her dropping out of sight and life of her own volition.
2) Theory: She was either kidnapped or sold by persons unknown as a white slave, perhaps being spirited off to another island or nation where someone of her age, sex, race and looks would bring a high price.
Response: Although as I wrote in another article in a Profiler’s Perspective (Who’s taken our Daughter?) that tens of thousands of international women and children are, in fact, the victim of kidnapping or are otherwise tricked or sold into slavery on a yearly basis, the likelihood that white slavers would risk their network and livelihood by kidnapping such a high profile victim is very slim, and there is no evidence to date that she could have befallen such a fate.
3) Theory: She was kidnapped by a local resident who found her on the beach, and she is now being held at an unknown location on Aruba.
Response: Possible, but somewhat unlikely as Holloway’s missing status is so well known on the island, as well as the reward for her return, that such should have led to her recovery by now.
4) Theory: She drown while swimming after being abandoned by Joran on the beach near her hotel, perhaps while intoxicated or under the influence of drugs, ingested intentionally or unintentionally.
Response: No item of her clothing has been found on the beach, nor is there any other known evidence to support such an accidental incident.
5) Theory: She was murdered by someone who found her on the beach alone after Joran left her alone and vulnerable in the middle of the night.
Response: This is impossible to discount, however there are no witnesses or other evidence to support this theory at this time.
6) Theory: She was drugged by one of the three young men whom she accompanied that night and expired due to an overdose. They panicked and disposed of her body as they did not want to be blamed for her having OD’d.
Response: Possible, however we’ll need a confession and probably an autopsy to support this theory.
7) Theory: She was assaulted by all three primary suspects and then murdered her to prevent her from reporting the assault. The two Kalpoe brothers and Joran, with or without the assistance of Steve Croes, then disposed of her body, probably at sea.
Response: It would appear that either the two Kalpoe brothers or Joran would by now have rolled over and implicated the other in Holloway’s disappearance and possibly murder, but if they stick to their stories it may be very hard to solve this case.
8) Theory: As Joran’s current story goes, perhaps the Kalpoe brothers did drop Natalee and him off at some beach location (he was, after all, the one in the back seat of the car with her) and while they were alone he assaulted and then murdered her, afterwards calling the Kalpoe brothers to help him dispose of her body and they, in turn, perhaps sought the assistance of Croes, knowing that he had access to a small boat.
Response: Were this to be the case, they would probably have wrapped her body in some kind of cover, perhaps a tarp, weighed her body down with some metal weights, and then took her out in the surrounding dark night waters, dropping her into the ocean in a deep location where they believed her body would never be found or recovered. But what about Paulus van der Sloot? Well he may have aided his son, perhaps by providing him with legal advice (e.g., don’t talk and they can never prove you did anything), or he may have picked up Joran after Natalee’s disappearance/murder and failed to tell the authorities about where and when this occurred, and/or he may have withheld his suspicions or knowledge concerning his son’s possible involvement in her disappearance.
The bottom line
If the three primary suspects had nothing to do with Holloway’s disappearance, why did they need to lie, on multiple occasions, in their attempt to explain away their time with her? This case hangs on the lies of these young people; men whom most believe have the key to Natalee’s disappearance, but refuse to produce that key.
But should this be the case, then why haven’t the authorities been able to break the stories of these three to five suspects? Well for one; they have taken the two Kalpoes and Joran through a number of versions of their story regarding their last hours with Natalee, noting that no one has acknowledged seeing her alive after she left a local bar in a car with the three young men. Secondly, should you believe that these three men were originally allowed to remain free so that the authorities could monitor their cell phone conversations, perhaps following them in the hope that they would lead the police to Natalee, you must then consider the cost/benefit of this tactic. No matter why they were initially allowed to remain free, it’s apparent that if they were involved in Natalee’s disappearance, they would have had a lot of time, perhaps with the input of Joran’s father, to put a story together to cover their involvement in Holloway’s disappearance. Should this be the case, they would have assured each other that the chances of the authorities finding Holloway were slim, and that as long as they stuck to their story, they would all eventually be released. By this, if there is no victim, no confession, and no evidence of foul play; then there is no case.
Trial without a victim?
I have yet to find an instance of anyone being convicted of murder by an Aruban judge without the presence of a body, and although there was one such conviction in Holland years ago, there will still need to be a confession and one or more witnesses to support the confession. In Aruba suspects can be interviewed for hours, days and weeks without the presence of their attorney, but they cannot be compelled to testify against themselves, and never has it been more important for any suspect to listen closely when told by the police, “you have the right to remain silent.” As an FBI Agent, I helped to convict a number of defendants where the best evidence against them was their own words. Although we all believe that the truth needs to be told in this matter, you also need put yourself in the position of the current suspects, i.e., would you tell what you knew? Not if you were involved in her death and didn’t want to do 20 years to life in an Aruban prison.
In the worst case, even the recovery of Natalee’s body may not necessarily implicate any of the current suspects in her death. Linking physical evidence, something that connects the suspects not only to Holloway, but to her murder will need be found. Remember that when murder victim Laci Peterson was eventually located, her body was so badly decomposed by having been in the water that the authorities were unable to determine her cause of death.
The current suspects in the disappearance of Natalee have willingly placed themselves with her on that potentially fatal night in Aruba; therefore merely proving that she had been with them will not convict anyone of anything. Ultimately, without significant evidence that links a suspect to Holloway’s disappearance and possible death, we may not see a resolution in this matter, and probably not without a confession and witnesses to support the confession. As a father, I can appreciate her parent’s hope and optimism for her safe return; but as a former FBI Agent, I know too well the devastating statistics concerning such matters.
So what now? Keep up the searches, especially in the waters around Aruba, and continue to question the suspects in custody and anyone else who may know something. Hopefully Natalee will be found or one of the suspects will talk, for if not, her family and friends will be left with a mystery that many feel they know the answer to, but no one will be able to prove their theory. We no longer need theories though, we need resolution. The local police have let the FBI know that Aruba is their island and this is their case. That’s fine, but now they need to solve it.
Email Clint at CVZ@msnbc.com
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Buyme >> There are programs that take over remote computers, but scared monkeys has to accept do download that program (or give access).
Simian should not worry about being traced, if he has some news. ShocktheMonkey is very reliable too.
CRS: I meant he is trying to shock people & I put the “shock” in quotes as no one can shock middleaged people! We’ve seen too much in life
Kris: No new news..I will let you know as soon as I hear/see something, promise
I hate when people post so much info link that, just send us the link instead. What is the newest news?
crs-G is back!!!!
Has anyone confirmed Izzys link – i went to the site and did not find this info.
Thank you, Edie. Wasn’t trying to nitpick; I just get frustrated over false reports. You can understand
WFT Steve, post the link, not the whole story, save bandwidth!!!!
They just let Croes go! He can’t be “singing”. Remember, there is no plea bargaining in Aruba! I think he just made computer contact with one of the Kalpoe brothers on the night that Nat disappeared, that’s all. They had no other evidence to hold him!
Jake – that think was like the Odyssey in length, it would take 100 years to read that post.
Who is watching the news, are they currently reporting from Aruba?
Who is watching the news, are they currently reporting from Aruba?
Thanks Jake–I new I could count on you!
Simian- si ellos no quiren informacion…mandemelos por mis e-mail alina626@aol.com
*quieren
This case driving me to drink, drivingmy wife to eat. I only pray today they find Natalee. Today please!
Jake, Geraldo said last night Croes said he saw the boys drop NH at Holiday Inn and when that stroy proved false they brought him in.
crs-Maybe we can hire EquuSearch to do a Leopard Search!!
Jake——too funny…LOL….u go, girl…u are hysterical…
Jake – We still have ss, she will bring leopard back, she is the equusearch of New Jersey.
why do you think I’m called scaredshitless? I am afraid to leave my house! I have agoraphobia as did my aunt!
What’s the weather like in Miami today, I am going to be in Fort lauderdale for the 4th.
I Yell is back!!! He just came back from an all-you-can-eat brunch with the wife!!!
Jake what is being reported on the news?
SS – Your a trip!!
Has anyone heard from shock?—-i think Simian cut us off
!!! NO NEWS FOR U-!!–sorry, imagine the Seinfeld Soup Nazi voice…..(blush—for corny joke)
The weather in Miami is BEAUTIFUL!
Checkme needs to CHECKIN!
I receeved screen name from me yelling my wife’s name, Ingrid, as wrong name (“Chris”) in my hallway at work. I thoght her name was Chris, I wanted to date her, her name was Ingrid. She never let me forget that I called her Chris in the hallway. She is very heavy set Danish-American woman who never think I would ask a heavyset woman out. I am thin, tall, balding on top, mustache, dark eyed man originally from Methadonia, Russia
ALLYINMIAMI – HA HA I CAN IMAGINE THE SOUP NAZI! Simian said they found her and never responded back
it is hot as hell here in Miami…it’s in the 90′s and humid….but always beautiful on the beach…and the rain finally stopped today.
I love that whole area, Miami, Lauderdale, West Palm, top notch.
I agree. Where is checkme?
thanks, Rachael….sometimes, i just feel the need to lighten things up a bit…
My spouse just complained to a group at a party that “all my wife does is log onto crime TV or missing persons links on the internet; now she’s scared of her own shadow”. My son also has agoraphobia. It’s no fun, believe me.
Hi Katcall, just got on, and reading the riehlworldview post of the “hit”.
West Palm is beautiful,……
I know where r u check me?
I Yell-Did Ingrid threaten to kill you if you don’t mention her in each and every post you make?
crs — the link works for me, not sure why you are having problems with it. I posted all the info anyway, and 1pm has come and gone with no sign of a press conference to my knowledge. Just thought it was interesting because it seemed to back up what Simian was saying earlier…
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII CHECKME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
crs-I love living in Miami! It’s a great town
Jake, she is vry jearlous, she think i have online beau (bow?) She say I can be online but have to mention that i have wife. I get even with her buy saying she an OVERWEIGHT heavyset tub of lard wife
Checkme you missed this mornings posts. We had some real sicko’s online. I mean very disturbing to the point Tom and Red had to screw their link! Anyway, glad to see you are back!
Izzy I finally got it, thanks, very good tidbit, I hope it is not what it could be.
I am so sick of Ingrid
I’m glad tom and red have the POWER to get those sleezeballs off this Board!
with beautiful women,…..LOL
Rachael: Looks like I YELL CHRIS is sick of Ingrid too
I Yell-that is hilarious!!! You sound scared shitless of her!!!
Where is Simian?
Ally, right you are!!!
Ally-Correction…beautiful Latin women!!!!!!!heehee hee hee
Rachael – i hope he is following the lead on the pit and the hit the dogs got, I think we will hear from him shortly.
I wish Chris would stop mentioning Ingrid and talk about what we are really here to talk about (hint hint hint CHRIS)
CRS is he locked is Aruba?
CRS – I mean is he located in Aruba?
Rachael – Huh?
SIM? Yes.
riehl world says the divers are going in around 2.
Well I wish Sim would come back we need some info ASAP!
CNN just showed the divers in the water. This may be the spot Sim is talking about? Either way, it’s not being shown on Fox so I suggest keeping it on CNN.
Update from RiehlWorldView:
Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver’s expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_.html
WHat does everyone think the hit is?
bring her home boys. may this be the break in the case.
Steppin out for some chow…hope there’s ‘news’ when I return.
Cya soon, friends.
What time is it in Aruba? It is only 11:22 where I am.
Ok so am I wrong, but are they diving because they think she is there?
Yes I saw that this morning also. I had some troubles again with the computer which was my post did not come through. After all the comments on the poetics within our circles and their unclear posts I started to explain myself a bit more. Basically that when I tell a fact, I say so and when I speculate or share about my feelings, I also say so. Just so we all know the same.
The last few days have been a little tough but I am very content that the authorities are now corrected for their mistakes. That’s the way the system works.
I am also a little upset because NH’s family and the FBI have put so much pressure on local authorities, due to their personal convictions and assumptions, so that the true criminals have had ample time to reposition themselves.
Checkme, thoughts on the hit?
Rachael, I think it is 1:24 pm in Aruba, same as Eastern Standard Time. Presumably they are diving because the dogs gave them a “hit” for human remains, and there is a possibility that it is Natalee.
Checkme, I wish you had been on this morning, I got beat up by Lisabeesa when I suggested the NH’s parents had been a hinderance to the investigation.
Ally, how was your bday? Sounds like you had a very fun time… 32 did you say?
I noticed the original Simien spelled their handle with an E and not a A in using Simian.
Ally – happy belated birthday!!
One thing to keep in mind on the “hit” is I heard yesterday the dogs sense is not as accurate mid day for whatever reason.
crs—u has stated this earlier (abt the family)….
CRS, too bad I wasn’t around. This case has been heavily influenced/steered by the media, which in turn was heavily influenced by the powers behind it, NH family.
Understand me correctly, I do hope they find NH and if vdS is guilty, hang him. But this “hit” for me is a dud. They could easily find somebody else’s corpse. No way could JvdS think straight and call and email to cover his trails if something this drastic has happened that evening.
Ally–belated birthday wishes to you
Ally – i know and I got beat up for it!! Glad to hear checkme agree with me.
Thank u very much, checkme, for remembering…yes, 32. It was okay; however, my boyfriend didn’t even get me a card….
. But I had a great time with my family and friends, I am very blessed!
Thanks, CRS!
Checkme – I agree 100%, there was a huge rush to judgement by NH’s family upon arrival on the island.
basically what Sim, Shang, Aenim and a few others have hinted at all along
is that other parties are involved. Which many of us agree with already.
A few posters agree that Sim and these other posters describe many local detials to the tee. And yes it is quite possible they are observing things from a distance.
If it is true they are close to local LE and are sharing vague detials or possibilites with us. Don’t get upset with them if they don’t crack the case, they are simply sharing thier
views of the possibilites. And I happen to agree with thier suggestions.
Local LE was involved very early on and now they are screwed…
It seems many are in fear over there, of what?
I know what I’d fear in Los Angeles if I witnessed a crime commited by a cop.
I’d fear other cops and more so thier puppetmasters.
There’s alot more dirt to be uncovered… hopefully it occurs and Aruba will
get cleaned up. The locals would love to get rid of some bad elements there.
read this it explains much of thier message:
# Babalà º Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned
No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.
and yes the FBI does read these threads, so keep posting up Sim, Shang, Aenim etc
you have little to fear from them. It’s your neighbors you need to keep an eye on.
Mommy Kalpoe stated that her son’s were not home at 2a.m. as they reported. It was more like between 3-3:30 a.m. because she kept checking their bedroom and the door was finally closed at 3:30 a.m. when woke once again to check to see if they got home. Timeline is real important here. All three suspects KNOW where Natalee is!
WHAT!!! He did not get this beautiful latin woman a simple card??? Incredible… Maybe it’s because you spent too much time on this blog on you night out?
i agree with you checkme. Others–just a thought—so please do not crucify me….Could it be that he was set up? and was just trying to have an alibi b/c he knew that other people thought he was the last person to have seen her?.. I just find it odd that noone could break a 17 year old’s silence.
Ally, that’s a great lesson, never forget the card, women do love the card!
Checkme and crs can you update me on whats new for the day
Ally – as long as no card is okay with you it’s okay. But know that that probly won’t change – ever!
LOL– checkme…Could be! No, I think it is b/c he spent my entire b-day playing golf.
Lady – The big news is right now there has been a hit by the dogs in a pit with a deep lake, the divers are fixing to go in now. Stay tuned.
WHAT??????? Heeeeepaaaaa… Impossible… I mean, play golf with you (not in the court) OK, but not with you and on the court is a big NONO!!! I absolutely cannot believe this.
LadyJA:
Dogs may have a “hit” in an area of water near Montana which is very close to Van Der Sloots home. Divers to go down to investigate soon.
Others, sorry to get off the subject again, but Trisher, CRS—yes the card is very important..I do love them…and Trisher, hon, I know this will never change…The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Thanks yall, so whats up with this Poilice being involved, or Joran being set up, i was just reading a few posts
Divers are in the water… Everybody here is tense and awaiting results… there is something else the media knows but cannot say yet.
Checkme—I think u need to school my man…
Checkme u r the man/woman i dont know, but u rock!!!!
hey is this a pond that was already searched
You really think vdS would dump a body near their home?
CRS- are u watching the news?
Ally-Happy B-day!!! Don’t sweat the card thing. Does he treat you good? That is what’s truly important!
Does anyone have a map for this area?
i’m back….i find it amazing those sonars are so accurate!
hi checkme….so you aren’t sure about the hit?
the sangria reference is interesting too. not just a serial killer practicing?
Checkme——Well you have to take into consideration this boy isnt a pro in killing, so maybe he got scared and hid it the first place he could.
Checkme is a man, who does not want to teach Ally’s man anything. Ally should take a vacation to Aruba, alone. But considering the topic we are all talking about I think that is suggestion in vain. LOL…
Oh I’m sorry Ally i didnt know it was ur birthday, Happy birthday
I’m watching the news! Nothing on Natalee!
I agree w/u checkme; i dont think they would…I think he could be getting framed for the murder—I don’t think he was innocent, but if there is a possible murder, I don’t believe that he or his father would be that stupid to dump the body near the home…I think something much bigger is going on here
There was NO rush to judgement. NH family NEVER EVER once said they thought Joran did this Natalee when they arrived on the island. They were looking for their daughter and Joran was the last one seen with her which simply explains why they went to the VDS’s home.
How can there be a rush to judgement when Joran and the Kalpoe bros have lied numerous times and changed their story?
I’ll tell you what…all of you who think Joran didn’t do it, put your money where your mouth is. I’m taking all bets.
This story isn’t as complex as some of you think. He was the last one seen with her, you do the math. It’s really ridicolous how some of the locals down there and some of you that have posted here somehow blame the family. Get a life.
It’s not NH family that is hindering this investigation, its Joran plain and simple. They have a right to search for their daughter and I say good for them if they are pressuring the Aruban govn’t. It’s been over a month now and they STILL haven’t no clue of Natalee.
If this happened in the U.S. this case would have already been solved.
# Checkme Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 1:45 pm
You really think vdS would dump a body near their home?
they’d dump it anywhere they felt comfortable,
if they didn’t expect third parties to go looking for it…
i went back to the main page and read this.. i thought the steve croes info was intresting… what kind of phone call did he over hear??…
Just had a communication from Aruba – search dogs have gotten a “hit” in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.
On Fox News, Angela Munzenhofer from Aruba Today, say that she spoke with Steven Croes, and that he says all he did was over hear a conversation that Deepak was having on the telephone. He went to the police to tell them and was arrested.
So do yall still think the father was involved?????
hi all…just peeking in again…see now why my ears were ringing! Crs i wasnt beating you up about your opinions only your name calling and superficial jabs at the victim’s family….i just thought it was mean hearted and i still do think it was way out of line!
I also disagreed with your statement about natalees family was misguiding the investigation..all they have ever wanted and maintained was that these three who last saw her speak to authorities about where they really took her….instead of lying. If they would tell the truth it would allow investigation to go to next level.
is the half brother in this at all? or all joran?
Checkme:
In cases like this, you one would have to really study the criminal mind. No telling what a person is thinking when a crime is committed. An elderly couple barried their dauther in law in their own backyard in Kansas! She was recently found after she’d been missing for 5 years! Talking about “Keeping it close to home”.
Thanks, LadyJA—
Jake-he has his ups and downs
i agree ztriggz. esp considering a member(s) of the polis may be involved. they would just steer everyone away from that area. they didn’t have much time to dispose of her body.
Not likely at all. If he needed to dispose the body, the ocean would be the only an most logical thing. He knows these ponds dry up quickly so that he would be found out. I am sorry but my assumptions remain that the vdSs would/could not have done that. Call me subjective.
Kap-I put all my $ on Joran. He did it!
Ally – it sounds like he is NFL – not for long.
Jake,
What news are you watching? Uggh I hate being “disconnected” to news