RSSJulie Renfro, Editor of Aruba Today, on Fox’s O’Reilly Factor
SCARED MONKEYS WANTS TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
We wish to do everything humanly possible to help find Natalee Holloway and have her return safe. However, some stories that are out there are not worthy of being reported. We need constructive reporting on this matter from everyone, so that Natalee can be found and the Holloway family can have peace of mind. We will be tough but fair on all sides to help this situation for the Holloway/Twitty family come to a resolution.
We have just go off the phone with Julie Renfro, Aruba Today, to confirm the following information. (Red)
Got this in the email just a minute ago from Texas Rick, great stuff. It looks like Fox is going to have to retract the comments made by Geraldo Rivera during the show. Wow. Why is it that Geraldo always self destructs.
Dear Tom,
I’ve been corresponding with Julia Renfro, Editor-in-Chief of Aruba Today.
(I’m sure you’ve seen her on the various news programs.)
I asked her about Geraldo’s jaw-dropping quote last night, citing an ‘impeccable’ source who told him that the Aruba’s Police commissioner was ‘best friends’ with Joran van der Sloot’s father. I asked her about Geraldo’s claim that a sex tape exists of Joran’s participating in a ‘gang bang’ (Geraldo’s phrase) with a 14-year old. And I asked her about the claims of “classism” and preferential treatment for Joran and his friends.
Her reply is below, and she is OK with you both publishing it on your respective websites… You may publish her email address as well:
……
Best,Rick
And here is Julia’s original letter to Rick from Texas:
Hi Rick,
I just spoke to Fox and all I was reassured that O’Reilly ‘retracted’ (the actual word went over my head) all of the statements made by Geraldo.
I was on with O’Reilly last night when he suggested that our Prime Minister was an idiot, but do you really think that the President of the United States gets involved in Police Cases? NO! Actually it would be illegal for a politician to get involved or be abreast of any details of Police investigation – same as in the US. Duh, I honestly don’t think O’Reilly is an idiot – he is obviously acting like one to get ratings.
Once again, I don’t know what happened to Natalee, and I’m not sure that anyone does! If van der Sloot or the others had any involvement in her death or disappearance they will be punished and justice will be served.
There is in no way what so ever that Arubans think that there is a cover up or that v/d Sloot’s father has any pull. It is to the contrary!
He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!
As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone – much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature – all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.
Julia Renfro
Editor-in-Chief
Aruba Today
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This situation is tough enough and family and loved ones without this to occur. There seems to have been enough investigative problems in this matter without going into this.
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Man………Geraldo will say and do anything, won’t he……
Probally
She’s not sure that anyone knows what happened to Natalee. Oh really.
No credibility right there.
Probally
is there anyone who can say the are sure?
I think that they know more than they are letting anyone know. . . . . . But it would be nice to have an answer soon as to where she is
Her comment makes it sound like maybe Natalee just disappeared accidentally, how else could “no one” know what happened to her.
Its insulting.
It happens here and it can happen anywhere
How does anyone know all of Judge Van der Sloot’s connections? You think he would tell everone or put them on his resume?
What would a parent do to protect their child?
What do you think would happen if young Van der Sloot went to prison? He’d be “buddies” with others that his dad sent there. Even if he is not wealthy, maybe he did need some extra money? Do you think he would be driving around in an expensive car if he had some kind of money hidden? He would hopefully be smart enough to stick with the Honda, knowing that cruising in a new BMW might raise eyebrows of fellow civil servants? He also has pull in controlling the sentences of those that come before him- criminals? One phone call-made with good intentions for his son- could request a favor with the reciprocal being- I’ll go light on x’s sentence. Furthermore, how long do you think Judge Van der Sloot would be respected if his son is found guilty of a crime. “Hey, aren’t you the judge whose son is a murderer???”- words I’m sure the Judge does not want to hear. Not to mention, the possible retribution of fellow countryment on the Van der Sloot family for bringing such negative attention to Aruba.
Just a theory. Innocent until proven guilty (in the U.S.)- not sure about Dutch law. But, still remains to be explained why the three suspects Natalee was last seen with were not apprehended for 10 days? Picked up security guards with virtually no probable cause? But let more obvious suspects a 10 day window. Maybe there is some behind the scene law enforcement tactic in place, but given the handling of yesterdays possible evidence- a pair of women’s underwear held by some kid in front of news cameras- not too impressed at how evidence being preserved and the investigation by Aruban authorities in general. They wouldn’t even let FBI help at certain points- made large group of highly trained professionals remain inactive- why waste such a valuable resource at times? Pray for Natalee.
He’s not even a judge. . . He’s studing to bea judge
It is not fair to the family but it is looking more and more like the “tragic accident and no one knows what happened” resolution will be the closest to an answer that anybody gets, and with so many facts unknown, that might be safer and better for everybody in the long run.
And I am sure a parent would do everything they can to protect their child.
I hear the FBI is now looking at the shark den. Why haven;t they looked there before? It’s a little late now.
I feel the same way . . . I’s very unfortunate but the boys and the island are not the only ones to blame in the situation. . . .
A little late. . . In the beginning they were doing a search for the possibilty of finding her alive. . . . I think that they are pullingstrings to get closure
Amanda says,
I’m curious who else is to blame in this situation, if not the boys who hurt her and disposed of her body, as all evidence indicate they did?
How about her for going off with them. . . . If she’s so smart and all why did she trust not one but three boys/men that she BARELY knew. To go to a beach that there is no one around at 1:30 in the morning?
I have been there, expierenced carlos and charlies and I am sorry there is no way SOBER OR DRUNK I would leave the club with three guys to go to the beach at 1:30 in the morning yet alone at 12 in the afternoon with boys/men I barely know. By the way I’m 24
Amanda Says,
Her friends say that she told them she would see them at the hotel in a few minutes, by those accounts she was getting a ride.
The only statement that she wanted to go to the beach AT ALL comes from the three men now sitting in jail accused of her disappearance. The only sattements that she was falling down drunk also come from the 3 people sitting in jail.
I am glad you think you are so much smarter than Natalee was, but whether you want to understand it or not, she is not responsible. Bad judgement does not make you responsible when people victimize you.
No one knows for sure if she even got in the car willingly at this point, but I suspect she did. I also suspect she intended to go straight to the Holiday Inn.
I think Geraldo will stick to his guns on those statments. I’m still waiting on FOX’s retraction….anyone heard it yet? The police have are now focusing in on Joran, impounding more cars searching his family home wearing some kind of hazmat looking suits. Reporting he may have used some kind of date rape drug. Looking pretty bad for him right now. JMHO
Amanda, This attitude of yours and ofmany other Arubans who have posted is disgusting me. It is this attitude that would make me not ever want to go there. First, you claim that your island is “safe”. Then you hold the girl responsible for getting in a “safe” car with three “safe” residents of “safe” Aruba. We don’t know all the details of how she came to be in the car. Many think willingly, but that has not been definitely determined as yet. At anyrate, it is a moot question. Entering a car does not imply your permission to be raped, murdered and then have your body hidden and then for the blame to be pinned on two innocent men with no connections to your disappearance. Also, it is obvious that your officials tried their best to not bring the three “priviledged” brats to trial. You all need to wake up and smell the coffee and accept the fact that your island is not the paradise you think it is. After all, if these men get off, their next victims might just be YOU or YOUR sisters, daughters, friends.
Geraldo Rivera has always been a sensationalist who is full of hot air and will say and do anything for attention. Remember when he went to Iraq and spent time with the troops. You could tell on the soldiers there could see right through him by the looks on their faces. He played it up to be a tough soldier, who in reality would have run, with his tail between his legs, if any shooting would have started.
Tideroller, I agree with you all the way!
amanda dont you think that you are being a little “hollier than thou” never say never-
have you ever heard of people slipping other people drugs? I guarentee you honey if they slipped YOU a Mickie you would be going home with them to… so you really shouldnt be using this post to say what YOY would have done it is completely insulting to the people greiving on this site….i think that you should appologize or zip it!
i agree with curtis about Geraldo he is an INSULT to our country, and abuses our consiitution for his own Gossip- style agenda
Actually I don’t live there. . . . All Iwas saying is that no one has mentioned that her lack of bad judgement put her in this situation. . I understand that no where is completely safe. . .trust me I know this.
I hope that this doesn’t happen to ANYONE else. . . I would never wish this upon anyone. . . .
shame
Actually I don’t live there. . . . All Iwas saying is that no one has mentioned that her lack of bad judgement may have put her in this situation. . I understand that no where is completely safe. . .trust me I know this.
I hope that this doesn’t happen to ANYONE else. . . I would never wish this upon anyone. . . .
Actually I don’t live there. . . . All Iwas saying is that no one has mentioned that her lack of bad judgement may have put her in this situation. . I understand that no where is completely safe. . .trust me I know this.
I hope that this doesn’t happen to ANYONE else. . . I would never wish this upon anyone. . . .
Sorry I missed aowrd in typing
maybe you should read what you type before you submit
because your attitude stinks!
I am sorry if I have insulted I was just trying to mention something that I haven’t heard
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Jonathan – 3 young men were in court today filing motions to gain access from the pros. office to see what they have against them. Seems the investigation is focusing on one teen in particular. Teams are @ the house of Joran in their white suits. They have towed 2 vehicles which they are examining for evidence. One of the original SG suspects may still be able to help the investigation. Mickey John was in jail next to one of the 3. bla bla – he admitted he lied about dropping off @ the HI. People are asking why wait so long to bring in the 3. The FBI says they were actually under electronic surveillance the whole time they were free. They have also been told a date rape drug was used on Natalee.”
Amanda,
There have been about a million posters who want to talk more about why Natalee got in the car with those three losers than where she is or why the case has not been solved yet. I find it a bit suspect that you ‘hadn’t heard’ that mentioned before.
Regardless, getting in a car with people you had been socializing with when you are on vacation at 18 is fairly low on the scale of bad judgement goes.
The focus should stay on the people that hurt her.
doesnt it just gte you guys SOOO mad that they are JUST searching the house this many days later…as if his mom and dad didnt SCOUR his room to get rid of ANYTHING questionable, stupid, stupid, stupid!
Nice of you to explain amanda, i think everyone knows that the judgement wasnt the best but , it really isnt the point here, ya know?
This is why a parent tells a young girl over and over to never go without a friend. This is a story that makes a parent lose sleep. Sounds like Natalee’s friends knew to stick together as a group, and they were watching out for each other. I feel bad for them because they are probably so sad that they didn’t make sure she had someone with them. What do you want to bet that they said “that’s not very smart” as the car drove off with NH. Natalee wasn’t anything but dumb, most likely alchohol was a large factor in that. New high school graduates are fresh off the leash and go places like Cancun and Aruba because they can party legally and no parents are with them. A smart parent won’t allow that kind of vacation. I hope this incident brings to light the type of vacations these kids are taking and what is going on. I hope this makes them wiser about what young people are doing and that will help this type of thing never happen again.
There is one simple step that needs to be taken….especially after two weeks….and I heard it suggested on t.v. this morning and was so happy! I have been saying it for the past two three days now, maybe I’ll tellepathic! What they need to do is give these 3 sh*thead scumbag degenerates a lie detector test. At least after that they will know if they should be searching for a body or for a missing girl……
I’ve been reading all over the web that a body was found a few days ago? Is this true?? Does anyone know?
I am probably older than two of each of you combined, have lots of travel experience, and I know that I could have been in the same situation as Natalee. About 8 years ago, I was in Cancun at Senor Frog’s, which is, I believe in the same chain as C and C’s. The only drink I had was one tall frozen drink. Either someone added a drug to it, or a LOT more alcohol. . .I have always thought it had to be some type of drug. By the time I left, anything could have happened to me. Luckily I was with my husband. The next day I was violently ill. . .won’t go into all the details, but finally had to seek medical treatment when I got back in the States. I feel quite sure that, had I not been with my husband, anything could have happened. I have a lot of compassion for Natalee. . .she had far less experience than I did.
well susanfrommich- you wouldnt have liked the story just on the news… interview (cnn i belive) big graduation group from boston… all drunk at carlos and charlies saying that they had the buddy system, but also being clueless if anyone was missing from the group, basically being drunka nd invincible and not giving ONE THOUGHT to what had happened a few weeks back, CLUELESS when you think of it, they didnt really even learn
Susanfrom Michigan. . . .That is what I was told from the very first time I decieded to go out with my friends. . . To this day it sticks in my mind about having someone else to tell my parents something has happened/
This is my first post, but i’ve been reading this site since Natalee disappeared, and I find it discouraging that you people are yelling at amanda for having an opinion. This is ridiculous. No matter how well you guys think you know what happened and why, there are other opinions as well. Everyone is entitled to one.
Amanda says “The boys and the Island are not the only ones to blame” what a horrible statement. I guess Natalee must be the one to blame because she trusted the boys and believed that the island was safe. Amanda, you should remember that Natalee met Joran at the Casino a couple of nights before. Amanda, I guess your theory is if someone uses bad judgement they deserve to get raped or worse and it is their fault.
sorry that happened kristina im sure that it was a micky- happened to my friend in playa del carmen … had a few drinks then she was a WILD woman, and we forced her to go home she faught ALL of us the whole way but we KNEW something was really up… locked her in the hotel and we watched her… she remembered NOTHING past when she was on the dance floor NOTHING (two drinks just doesnt do that to anyone)
In response to Amanda – Just because you use poor judgement does not mean you should be raped and killed which is the most likely scenerio in this case. Natalee’s reputation or poor judgement has no place in this situation. These boys who are the most likely culprits are the only ones who deserve blame not the parents for letting her go, not the friends or chaperones, not natalee herself. I know when I was in college it was not unusual for girls to meet guys on a Friday at a party and that night or the next week, whatever, get a ride with them. She thought she knew this guy after a few days and thought he was someone to be trusted and her friend. It is a shame, the blame the victim mentality many people have not only in this case but in other cases.
jay- the point is that nobody is here to see who was right or wrong or should have been wearing what or whatever- just lighten up, it is all good we are just trying to make people understand all sides. if nats mom is reading this or her friend do you think she needs someone talkingabout how DUMB she was, likely not…
capiche?
crs
if natalies reputation has no place in this situation, why does everyone repeatedly state that she was an honors student and a great kid? the thing is, you people only want to hear what was good about her and have no problem expressing that, but as soon as people talk about her from another perspective its has no place in this situation.
marie
i’m not trying to start any fights…but what you’re saying that that we have to be PC and talk only about the good in case natalies mom reads this? lol
Julie Renfro’s comments mean nothing today. Would someone in Aruba stop taking us for idiots! I won’t rehash all of my previous postings and why I think the law enforcement is corrupt and inept, but her little article did nothing to sway my opinion that we need to push to BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!! Ms. Renfro is giving us the song and dance about the PM not being involved in a police case and comparing it to President Bush not being involved in Police investigations. Give me a break, President Bush is president of a country with over 270 million people from a country that streteches over 3,000 miles across just the continental states. The PM of Aruba rules over 70,000 people and has 68 km of coastline. Hardly a comparision. If I was an Aruban businessman I would hope like hell my PM was throwing some weight into the case to get is solved. Because I wouldn’t want my business to go under. I wasn’t born yesterday. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!
dude- you are just being a trouble maker….we all have a right to an opinion of course- just try to be KIND and think of other peoplle
play nice
Jay – If this girl is deceased which is most likely, I think it is wrong to trash her reputation, to my knowledge none of us in the discussion actually know Natalie, and most likely Natalie is no longer able to defend herself. In my opinion, the only people whose charachter is on the line is the three boys and ultimately they will get an opportunity to defend themselves.
Some of the comments I have seen on this and other sites make me think that some of you need to hear this.
I am speaking mostly to the young fellows but also a few ladies.
Men, if a woman gets in your car, that does not constitute consent to sex.
Even if she kisses you, and lets you take all kinds of liberties, that is not consent to sex.
Even if you get to the Golden Gates of Paradise and she says “no,” even if you make it through those gates and she says “no,” that means NO.
That means you either stop, or you are a rapist, and that is regardless of her judgment, her wardrobe, her reputation or her lack of any of that. Her religion, race, nationality, size, shape, or economic status does not matter either.
If she is intoxicated, she cannot consent to sex. Take her home or somewhere safe and see her safely inside, kiss her forehead and leave.
In this day and age, there are plenty of sober young ladies who will consent to have sex with you. I doubt you are so repulsive that your only hope is a woman who is not in control of her faculties.
Having sex with a woman who cannot or does not consent to it is rape, period. I don’t care what she is wearing, I don’t care how flirty she is, I don’t care if your buddy told you everybody in town has had her, I don’t even care if you paid an arm and a leg for her dinner and a Broadway show, sent her flowers and bought champagne for the ride to the theatre.
No woman, anywhere, any time, has ever “asked” to be raped. No woman has ever “had it coming” and if you spend money on a woman expecting sex, if you have a grain of sense you will ascertain before hand that she is a professional prostitute, because otherwise the only thing she owes you is a “Thank you, I had a pleasant evening,” and that is only if she really did.
Now to the ladies. If you have sons over the age of twelve and have not told them all this, or made sure that their father or grandpa has told them this, and by make sure, I mean you listen, to make sure old grandad doesn’t forget something, then you need to turn the computer off and take care of that immediately.
no i’m really not trying to be a troublemaker whatsoever…i’m actually really intrigued by this whole case. but my opinion is that everyone thinks that they know a lot more than what they actually know, and that people are jumping to conclusions that they have no business jumping to. Thats all
Boycott Aruba then others would boycott the US based upon this situaton and it happening here.
Dear Joran,
Just want to let you know, you seem like a sleazeball, um no correction you are a sleazeball. If by some chance you are innocent, forget about your chances of getting into any prestigious school in the U.S., your rep is just let’s say kind of tainted. It’s people like you that give Aruba a bad name. You’re a spoiled brat with spoiled brat friends and parents who have just let you be raised on fresh air and sunshine and poor Natalee, her family, friends and Aruba are paying for it. I hope you now realize how STUPID you really are. Quoting you: “I’m only 17 and I want to study in the States and I have my whole future ahead of me”.
Hindsight is 20/20, isn’t it.
Regards,
From every Aruban worried abut Natalee
thanks grouchy
you all take care i need to get back to work
crs-
i’m not trying to “trash her reputation”
Hey TLC
That was a really nice post, true but totally awesome to hear from some arubans that truely care… you are great and part of what I love about that island my thoughts are with you as well, keep your chin up!
Let me weigh in on the rape conversation. Hasn’t anyone heard that rape is not about sex, but about power and control? I have been told that many times and that leads me to believe that a rapist is going to rape a specific girl because of their freaky need to control a specific type of female. Some rapists focus on young girls because they were teased in high school or some other dumb reason. Some even rape elderly women for some twisted reason in their mind. I don’t understand rapists, but most crime folks will tell you it is usually about power and control, not about how someone dresses or how much they drink. Chances are if she was raped, the guy that did it made the decision to do it regardless of what she was wearing or drinking. Now back to my thoughts. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!
Amanda , out of curiosity, who is going to boycott the US because we as citizens choose to spend our discretionary income not in Aruba any longer? That is simple capitalism. Right now, we have two tools to find Natalee, our media continueing to press for answers and our tourism dollars going elsewhere. If you think this case would not have been swept under the rug had this been a poor girl from Venezuela, I think you are naive.
Amanda,
As I told others, stop shifting blame and making counter accusations when I say BOYCOTT ARUBA. Those types of arguments work for third graders and Bill Clinton.
Jay,
I think the point is that the only “negative” thing we know about Natalee is that she went to C&C, had a few drinks and left the bar with Joran and his pals. This is pretty slim evidence on which to base any analysis of her character or what she did or didnt’ do after leaving the bar. I’m sure millions of girls have a few drinks and catch a ride home with new friends, hardly any end up missing, presumed dead.
On the other hand, there is alot of evidence, mostly out of their own mouths and blogs, that the three men in jail are pretty out of control characters.
I am just following that if somone thinks we should boycott Aruba becasue of this where is the difference of this happening in the US to a foreign traveler and them boycotting the US
I agree with the boycott of Aruba. Plenty of other tropical destinations we can spend our money on.
I think it’s safe to say this was a cover-up for the kid from the start. They let him go, let him clean up evidence, maybe move the body, and try and frame 2 guys who had nothing to do with it. If it wasn’t for our media, these two guys would probably be the ones going to trial.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
I know that there are alot of people who do not like us (Aruba) right now, but I just want to say that we are all not “Jorans” or whomever may be involved with Natalee disappearance. The people here are just as frustrated as many of you, we never would have wanted this to happen to anyone ever. I’m still praying for her and her family.
Excately how long do you think it takes to solve a missing persons case or a possible homicide?
I heard that Joran has already been designated as someone’s “bitch” in jail and is forced to wear a Do-rag on his head.
just a question
Amanda-
The difference is this, the Aruban authorities are corrupt and inept and haven’t done much of anything to find Natalee. Think if this would have happened to some girl from Lithuania or some other small country. They wouldn’t even care because it wouldn’t hurt there pocketbooks. Instead it happened to an American girl and they are catching hell for it so they are floundering around trying to look busy, when in fact they just want all this stuff to pass. That is the difference. With that being said. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
I think the general consensus is that had something happened like this in the US that it would have been handled mush differently and we would most likely have an answer to what happened to this girl had it actually happened in the US or anyone else. These are three kids all 21 and under and I and others are expected to believe that this is a complicated case, please, this case stinks of coverup and corruption.
People are angry not because we think Arubans are bad or that the island is unsafe. I’ve been there, I believe it to be much safer than most, but because we see what seems to be an inefficent, slow and incomplete investigation.
The boys remained free for, what, 10 days? The car wasn’t searched until then. The other cars and house are being searched only today.
From the outside, it looks as if many, many mistakes have been made and the longer the case is unsolved the less likely it is that the criminals will see justice.
I’ve seen Julie Renfro give a ton of interviews. O’Reilly made her look like an idiot last night in my opinion. Julie seems like a spin doctor for Aruba. She also seems about as intelligent as the authorities handling the case.
TLC Do you live in aruba?
Amanda-
It shouldn’t take too long to solve a homicide when you had the main suspects in your custody the first day after she went missing. Instead they released them and let them get their stories straight before they arrested them 11 days latr and threw them all in the same cell to continue to refine their story. This probably negatively impacts an investigation. Just my opinion.
Julie played O’Relly like a fool by not falling into O’Reilly’s trap. O’Reilly like to ask close ended manipulative questions to make people look bad.
cas-
what evidence is there that says they would kill someone, leading everyone to jump all over them? pictures of boys bein boys? last time i checked, there is a big difference between being “out of control characters” and murders…just my two cents.
I posted this on the Morning site :
Does anyone know how exactly the law enforcement in Aruba works? Is there a some rule about how much information can be released concerning an ongoing investigation? I guess what I’m asking is “Is this how ALL cases are handled there?” It would seem that the government there would realize that they need to release more information concerning the investigation. If they don’t, based on what I’m seeing on the internet, all hell’s going to break loose. People seem to be getting more and more upset by Aruba’s apparent bumbling attempt at solving this case.
Missing persons or possible homicide, are solved pretty quickly, some one always talks. Aruba is small.
I feel pity for many Arubans. The acts of the few elistists have caused the downfall for many. There is little doubt that Joran and his friends are responsible for Natalee’s demise. The media in Aruba is much like the media in the tourist areas of the US, they look the other way and make excuses for bad news as bad news or crime news is bad for the economy.
Most of the talk on the island is about how this will affect the economy. The entire crime stats are skewed to show Aruba as a “safe” place. Anywhere is safe if all deaths that could be homocides are listed as “accidental”. If rapes are decided to be consentual because the girl “asked” for it as so many seem to believe happen in Aruba. Yes it is easy to see how Aruba has so little crime to report. But does it really have such a low crime rate? That is very doubtful.
I think it is the other way around. O’Reilly asked real questions, not “What is the latest”. He asked why the hell were some of the dumb things being done? Julie just repeated the company line. She looked really lost.
Yes, Amanda I live in Aruba.
Amanda – Given this case, I think this could have been solved within a few days instead the Aruban authorities have accomplished the following, zero, zip, zilch! They have manged to falsely accuse two people based on the heresay of the three main suspects, the let the main suspects free, allowing time to clean the car, talk to parents and others possible to further cover their tracks and to top it all off the best evidence has come not from the aruban authorities but from a cellmates next to the boys.
TLC – Not speaking for anyone else but I think in general I actually think better of the average Aruban than prior to this case as they really seem to want to help find NH and feel very bad about what happened, on the other hand, i have no respect at all for the aruban authorities and higher ups in charge of the case. By all accounts they have allowed the FBI to do very little which is a huge mistake. They need to begin by putting their substantial egos aside so that Natalee can be found.
Aruba is so safe that street thugs actually give you money intead of stealing it from you. No crime has ever been commited on the island, except for an occasional fender bender on the road.
I thought O’Reilly went pretty easy on her because he was specific about saying he didn’t want it to hurt the Aruban people. I don’t think he would publicly agree with my call to BOYCOTT ARUBA, but in a way continueing to give the story press like he did with his interview does put pressure on. This is because most people see how she looked and that everything coming out stinks of incompetence and corruption. Continue the pressure. BOYCOTT ARUBA.
I really think this Joran kid slipped her some date rape drug and the drive to the lighthouse was to give it time to ‘kick in’. I think the two Kalpoe brothers dropped the two off near the Marriot like they said so Joran could take advantage of her on that ‘lovers lane’ as it’s been described. She was either OD’d due to his inexperience with the drug or she reacted to it and suffered something such as cardiac arrest. The rest of the story is what you might expect in a situation like this. He got some help getting rid of the evidence from someone other than two amatuer friends. The kid was allegedly overheard ‘sobbing’ in his jail cell because I think what happened was more than he ever could have imagined happening and he probably feels really really guilty and scared as a hell.
I gree with I’MaHater…Americans should stop traveling to Aruba and spoiling this pristine and idyllic place with their overweight, larda$$, crispycream doughnout, “yes, supersize it”, physiques. It’s disgusting that Aruba allows these freaks of nature to roam the island.
MichaelSavage, without those Americans, you guys would be begging for handouts at the next third world country summit.
I want to see the statistics for unlnown cause of deaths and unexplained causes of death, also the accidental deaths for the last several years.
also can we get a list of the number of reported rapes compared to the number actually prosecuted? That may give a better picture of the REAL crime statistics in Aruba than the PR department of tourism wants to put out. Also it would be nice to find out how many reported cases of date rape drugging were reported over the last few years.
Or is all that secret information in Aruba?
TLC -
As you say, most cases are solved pretty quickly which leads myself and most likely others to view that as confirmation that this case is most likely being manipulated to favor the suspects and that this case is being corrupted by the aruban authorities.
I find it hard to believe that a Taxi Driver makes more than a judge in Aruba as stated by Ms. Renfro’s article. This as well as other statements made sound ignorant, especially coming from a media professional. It sounds to me like damage control for Aruba’s image. It also sounds like a defense for the judge and his son.
After that statement – I agree – BOYCOTT ARUBA. I’m gonna go cancel my trip.
I have never truly liked Geeraldo Rivera, but I live in Florida and with the Jessica Lunsford situation, he was quite helpful. He was or still is an attorney, and is usually accurate in situations like this or says what he can say to an extent for a reason. He said these things last night and today they are on CNN at Jorans home. It might just be that he has helped things along. He did speak to students from the school this Joran went to, I don’t think anyone can deny or confirm any of the accusations as of yet. I pray for holloway family and friends.
crs
I too kind of expected a “CSI, blue light and all” kind of involvement from the FBI. I believe that they can only go as far as the local authorities will let them. (For example if lie detector tests we to be taken it would probably taint the investigation, cause they (the suspects) were subjected to means of investigation that is not within Dutch Law.) We locals here are just as ticked off as many of you that it’s taking so long and what now seems to be backtracking.
Posted on: 1:49 pm, today on Trip Advisor.
I truly hope they do a better job for this family, than this one.
http://www.findclaudia.homestead.com
My prayers are with the Holloway/Twitty’s, as with the Bradley’s and Kirschhoch’s.
I would say just one thing though—>
I am so angry, and those that I serve with as well…
Absolute Rage.
Right on MichealSavage. I couldn’t agree more, yes Americans are very fat and I am a hater of that also. One of my biggest pet peeves is seeing a 400 pounder park in a handicap spot and ride a scooter up to WalMart and load up the little basket with Oreo cookies and pork rinds. If I was king of the world for one day the obesity handicap passes would be replaced by a “Park you fat butt in the back of the parking lot and walk into the walmart to get a salad” parking pass. I see your point and American’s have plenty of problems as well. But I digress. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
“where’s the buffet Line?” “Does that come with french fries” “What do you mean 75 cents extra for cheese?” I totally agree with Americans not going to Aruba…. great idea. The governement of Aruba has to spend an inordinate amount of money every year repairing potholes in the road from overweight tourist renting cars. I mean…when will the insanity end????
Geraldo is a media whore but sometimes you have to get in bed with the devil to get things done.
TLC -
Good point on the lie detector, if they have not been given one, why not, it is time to turn up the heat on these kids.
michael savage, Thats a bit harsh isnt it???? We ALL are HUMAN BEINGS on the same earth. Both countries are different with laws and lifestyles. You Don’t want people to condemn all of Aruba and its people because of a few individuals. I personally don’t. You shouldn’t do it to Americans either. Not all of us are overweight lardasses that eat Krispy Kreme’s! Learn to spell correctly…..
As I said before in a previous post several days ago, we need to send Lyndie England down there to interrogate the punks. A couple of weiner-pointing shots and dog collars later we would have this solved. I am suprised the Aruban CSI guys didn’t think of it.
I made the point on another messgae board earlier this morning but i really think unless a body is found these kids walk in a 120 days and i think daddy dearest has told Joran just play it cool, play the game, and you will get out eventually, I think the body must of been well disposed of and that is why no one is really talking. i still think the brothers helped get rid of the body.
The much revered Crocodile Hunter, Steve Irwin, decided to do a show in Aruba because he heard that there were Manatees(seacows) in the waters of Aruba. Upon closer examination he came to the conclusion that these American tourist suffering from years of exposure to the International House Of Pancakes marketing campaign.
this MichealSavage guy is pretty funny. I like him and I bet he wants to BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!
Not that i don’t agree but your going to get carpal tunnel if you keep typing “Boycott Aruba”!
Jay
Natalie has been decribed as an a student one who is shy etc… but even if this were not the case and she were an f student and had the worst rep of any girl in her class would not make what has happened justifed. it can happen to anyone. i have been to Aruba the people are very nice, but we have nice people here as well and look what happens on a daily basis. i pray for the hollaway twitty family, my heart goes out to each family member. i pray we will know something really soon. i agree with those of you who have said bad judgement shouldnt be the case here on Natalies part.
I apologize for misspelling your favorite dining establishment, Mr. darth-obese-inMaine
Michael Savage-
I gotta agree, America definitely has a problem with fat bodies. I am not exactly proud my tax dollars go to food stamps that continue to overfeed 400 lbs unemployed 8th grade dropouts. But you gotta love a country where even the poor people are fat and overendulging on food.
I am not exactly prooud my tax dollars go to the dumb bastards at the UN either. Face it, just about every other country out there is free loading on our fat American working class folks. but back to the topic at hand. PUT PRESSURE ON ARUBA AUTHORITIES AND BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!
Be nice, Its Mrs, and I’m probably old enough to be your Mother and I’m NOT obese either. I liked the idea of sending Lyndie England down there……..
Im-A-Hater…….I think you and I need to team up. Great minds think alike. Boycotting Aruba will force the Aruban people to sharpen their goat herding and aloe milking skills; and at the same time we can devise a plan to round up all morbidly obese Americans and move them to the state of Mississippi or Geargia. What do you think????
Pure Genious! Then we can send all the excess pork rinds to feed the muslim terrorist in Gitmo!
Why the Georgia prejudice?
crs, you bring up a good point. This should not have been a difficult case to crack. You have kids who were the last to be with Natalie who were lieing through their teeth rignt from the beginning. The island is very small. Put all of this together and you have one simple case that should have been resolved by now. On the other hand, even with the bungling that has been done, these kids don’t seem bright enough to have covered things up so well which makes me wonder if the dad or someone else higher up is involved. By the way, someone keesp mentioning that he is just studying to be a judge while various sources now say that he is in the same capacity as a federal judge does here in the U.S.. That is pretty high up.
I’m a Hater, there is one thing I would disagree with you on. Yes, rape is frequently about power, but not always. There are several types of rapists. They have different ways they operate, different traits, and different motives. Depending on which category a rapist falls in, he can indeed do it just for sex.
It appears that someone is doing some talking (at least I hope) as the police seems to be getting some leads from somewhere.
DarthVadain Maine….I think I like you. How about you and I embark on a scenic vacation together somewhere in South Pacific…..lets’ say Vanuatu, or perhaps Truk Lagoon in Micronesia. What do you say????
where’s Geargia dumb ass? You must be from the “great island”? BOYCOTT ARUBA
Yes, all in unison now BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!
If it was up to me, all Taliban prisoners must be wrapped in bacon for a week as a “cleansing” method before they can enter an American territory.
MichaelSavage, While I agree that there is an obesity problem in America that has now, BTW, spread world-wide, even to China and LatinAmerica, at the same time, while the Arubans may be thinner, I haven’t noticed any beauties in the pics of Arubans coming out of Aruba, either. Maybe you should look in the mirror.
Mark2 – My theory is Natalee was originally buried in a shallow grave somewhere and Joran told his father what happened and the father has since gotten rid of the body permantly – I theroize that his father knows enough people that he was able to buy the original time pin the blame on the security guards to throw the scent off and ultimately he is the mastermind behind this and all done ultimately to get the son off the hook. Where does this case go without a body and without a confession, nowhere, and the father knows this.
Arubans are ugly, I agree. I thought the movie The Exorcist had scary images until I visited Aruba. They make Linda Blair look like Shirley Temple
No answer MichaelSavage?
What’s the matter with Georgia. We have given the world a greatest dictator ever – Stalin.
As frustrating as it is for everyone, no one wants the punks who hurt Natalee to just walk away. That is why things have to go within the relm of the law here.
Many of Arubans wish the laws here were different and that things moved at a faster pace. Don’t get me wrong but maybe this case will bring about a change.
As for the HATERS, I understand how you feel and you have a right to feel the way you do, but as I said before Arubans are not here waiting at the airport, hotel, bar or restaurant etc waiting to “rape, rob and pillage” your women and children. Horrible things happen EVERYWHERE. It’s a shame you won’t come you only “know Joran and friends” and what you hear on tv. Maybe if I were you I would feel the same, all I can ask is for you to have an open mind. Btw, no amount of crime would stop me from visiting the US (which I do about once a year). But that’s me I guess.
I just did, sexy!!!
Yes, MichealSavage, fat AMericans are part of the great melting pot. It is the diversity that makes them great. I love fat people, they make me look good.
As for the terrorist problem, we need to tattoo a star of david on their forehead and send them back to where they came from. Anyone want to take bets on what would happen to them? Back to my main agenda. Let’s contact Lyndie England’s lawyer and work out a plea deal so she can point at three tiny weiners down in Aruba. She is probably just gtting over her post-partum depression now, so she has some free time before her trial starts. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
I heard that the new FOX reality show “Sharing Your Bed With Michael Jackson” will now include Lyndie England, in addition to Geraldo and Prime Minister Nel Oduber. Michael Jackson stated that she can pass for a young boy. Things that make you go hhhmmm…
Love the Linda Blair tribute comment. You must watch “Where are they now?” and “E! True Hollywood story”. You have made my short list of people I like. after all, I am a Hater. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
BOYCOTT FRANCE and the Dutch as well. Why you ask? Because we can! Boycott ARUBA, the NETHERLANDS, FRANCE and the UN!!!!
Booyakasha!!!! Diz be Ali G….Is yous wicked? Me like me wicked woman with big babaylons!!!!
Dutch people eat too much cheese and smoke too much weed! Whatsup with that???
I would just like to say, concerning the Geraldo issues, that this is what happens when a talk show host tries to be a journalist. You can try to pose, but at your core you still just want to start a fight…
Brianna you are wise beyond your years.
How do you know Im not old?
Thanks. Me and all my 21 years are flattered. Geraldo, however, just makes me wanna ask Fox where their brains went when they made that hire.
Geraldo is so angry at prime minister Nel Oduber of Aruba for not releasing more information regarding the investigation; he’s challenging Nel Oduber to a 1980′s style Flashdance “dance off” competition; participants will be wearing full body spandex, leg warmers, and a Mike Reno(Loverboy) style headband.
I thought this was about Natalee and the case, but I see we’ve moved on to cheese, weed and hating EVERYTHING; so i’ll move on as well. all the best to everyone and keep praying.
Just a guess. Lucky I guess.
I question whether there are really any journalists left or if there really were any in the first place.
Hey all, gotta run it was fun.
I’m outta here…..got to take my dog for a walk.
Okay, just joining…anything new?
I am in desperate need of a vacation, but I prefer hiking on Kauai
Michael you have a twisted sense of humor
I’ve got a streaming conscience style of humor…….a lot of things going on all the time
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I havent’ seen or read anywhere that there have been any retractions from the Oreilly Factor or Geraldo in reference to comments made by Geraldo. And I am confused by Julia’s remarks from Aruba Today. Is there any confirmation that these statements are untrue??? Dutch national?? Don’t all arubans have dutch passports?? This guy lives there and his father does too. An about this fathers yacht – better yet who owns the SUV and jeep they just towed from his fathers house?? He is most definitely considered a local in that town. Lets stay tuned for the Oreilly Factor show tonight.
thats my plan. I hope they find answers that they are willing to make public. Any more on what they found under the concrete they were digging up???
What makes me sick to my stomach is hearing Geraldo tell Natalee’s mom that he’s going to stick by her side and get to the bottom of the whole conundrum; as soon as the pending Michael Jackson verdict was to be announced, he was gone with the wind to cover Jacko. Can’t play with people’s feelings like that.
Kim,
and according to Julia’s letter this kids dad was from a middle class family..not the elite… Hmm not too many people I know in middle class familes have Yacht’s…..
As for a retraction. I don’t think its going to happen… As for the tape. He stood 110% behind that comment and in fact other sources have colaborated it… The only confusion was if Joran in it or merely selling it. It was a gangbang of a 14 year old girl and gee guess what no record of it happening.. anyone “Wonder” how that could of happened.. Also Bill O’Rielly didn’t say the PM was an idiot he said he acted as though he didn’t know what was going on in the investigation. So yeah maybe that is being an idiot considering how high profile this has become.
Kim, I’m not sure on the passports thing, Maybe they don’t have to have one if they don’t plan on leaving the island. Up here where I am, I don’t need one to go to Canada on a day trip. (I’m about 3 hours from the border) but I can tell you, I’d better be prepared to tell them exactly what I’m doing, be prepared to have my vehicle searched, and If I’m really LUCKY, I get to be subject to a random search of my personal self,
corroborate
Yachts and average middle class don’t usually go hand in hand, plus the multiple vehicles? hmmmm.
darth,
Not to mention his father also has a gambling habit and or maybe he is a little more connected than anyone publicly knows…..hmm gambling, drugs, prostitution.. they all go hand in hand pardon the pun
What I meant is that from what I understand all Arubans have dutch passports, so I have never understood why he is called “dutch” when he is actually a local. They make it sound like he was on school break, they live in Aruba and they own more than a honda – to say as an editor in chchief for the island quoted that a taxi driver probably makes more than a judge we would have to presume that he is corrupt or on the take…or do they have a lottery that he has won?? I just feel for the Holloways, they have allowed alot of days to pass for evidence, etc. at least here in the U.S. no matter who you are they pick you up – then if you have a lot of money the attorney finds you not guilty….There won’t be a retraction on what was said on OReilly Factor.
michael and hater. are you short men?
I’ve heard a lot about this drugs and prostitution stuff. The more I think about it, The more I’m beginning to think that Jorin and his friends are in on the ring of that sort of stuff. Why would Jorin have a pic of himself holding a wad of cash on his webpage? Is he a pimp, or is that his cut for finding another pretty girl to sell?
Maybe Julie Renfro, Editor of Aruba Today, can respond to this:
http://www.savesannicolas.com and this
http://www.prfree.com/index.php?cur=index&action=preview&id=26858
“FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PR FREE / May 27 2005 —
Local activists are not only gearing up for the upcoming September
elections in Aruba, but one group in particular has stepped up its
attacks on the MEP government, accusing the government of being in
serious violation of international human rights laws and violating the
basic human rights of its own citizenry.”
Hello a im talking from experience with over 7 years in the island of Curacao (15 miles from Aruba), I had an experience in may 2001, with my girl friend, now my lovely wife. We was on the outs for a couple of days. She was out with her girl friends partying at a place called mambo beach. Its about 5 minutes from my house with traffic, I get a call from her saying something’s wrong I don’t fell good its like someone put something in my drink. So I rush over there and she meet me at the front gate I rushed her home and she was all screwed up and passes out on the couch she seemed ok just looked like a black out drunk So I waited about 3-4 hours she awakes says see remembers being at the beach but that’s about it, says something about natural ecstasy, ive never heard of something like that I always thought they were pill form. So the next day being very close to the good and the bad people of the island I pulled all the strings I had to find out who did this to my girl. Low and behold it has a boy(Dutch), his friends had got the drug from some very bad people on the island, the police had told us of a problem they was having with men coming to the island getting picked up by girls and then go to there hotel rooms and passing out and getting all there things stole from them. This is that so called date rape drug it is very easy to get on the island, and ive been to Aruba many times and its the same there as Curacao it seems little dutch boys only know one way to get laid. They need a little help from some white power substance.
What a travesty for the Holloway family! Let’s forget the cheese f/a second, and focus on Natalees disappearance…
From where I sit, they’ll never find that girls body “dead or alive” in Aruba. Forget the trash bins. Following CNN’s broadcst last night, 2 scenarios come to mind surrounding her disappearance.
First, the shark bed at the north end of the island. If Natalee met her fate here (and its highly probable she did), the littoral drift would have taken her body to the west across the open sea. And if foul play were a factor, one can reasonably conclude the responsible parties knew this. And as one said, no evidence, no body, no case. And, NO reason to talk.
Second, she was sold. Its not like human trafficing down there is an unknown commodity. Hey, many of you talk about it, but never elaborate on the possibility. Regarding this theory, it was reported that a friend w/Holloway at the C&C club was told by Natalee that she was catching a cab to return to the hotel. Shortly afterwards, the friend saw Natalee with the 2 Surinamese brothers and dutch kid outside the front of the club. All got in what is believed to be a silver Honda (not a cab!). IF this in fact is true (no reason to believe its not considering the source), we have a 3rd party. All the more reason NOT to talk.
One thing is for certain. 1 if not all 3 know what happend to Natalee Holloway that night. That’s the real travesty.
God bless and take care…………………
I don’t know about the selling of girls but no question the images on his website in my opinion are of someone extremely insecure and doing his damnest to get attention. No doubt he considers himself the stud of the island or at lest the wannabe. I think because of his daddy’s position he was allowed to do as he wished, when he wished, with whom he wished. I am 100% convinced Natalee told him no and fought him. He wanted more than she was willing to give. I don’t think his ego or anger issues would stand for that.. If there was a drug overdose it was induced without her knowledge.
I say there is no question they all three know what happened to her that night. They all had some part in it
With there stories twisting…you got to know they are guilty and I’m sure that will eventually come out. One of them will crack.
Angela – I think the longer the body goes unfound, the more confident these kids get and they just wait it out and end up getting released in the 120 days. No body = no crime.
crs,
I don’t know about Dutch law but that is not necessarily the case in the US. Circumstancal evidnece can be enough… But again could be different down there…
It is beeing said that N. did this once. A theory that is going around is she is doing it again. She made a fast pasport in the States and is not on the island any more. And that may be she is trying to escape a family situation.
This a theory being said. Does any one know if she already did this once?
Its on fox news that joran’s father is filing a lawsuit….apparently has been turned down for wanting to change attorneys.
Harp,
If you can listen to Oreilly Factor tonight, they will be speaking with two of Natalees friends, one of my best friends lives outside Birmingham, and this girl Natalee is an exceptional student, going to pre med school, popular, little drinking, no drugs kinda gal…I could see her having one drink @ C & C’s and becoming easily intoxicated. She has never been a runaway, she has actually travelled internationally quite a bit with her family and her and mother very very close.
Justin T – I think daddy is behind this in terms of the coverup and surely he knows aruban law better than any of us and I don’t think they will proceed with a circumstantial case down there and I think daddy knows this. Come on now, we’re just searching the house this afternoon and taking other cars, why would all this not have been done three weeks ago? I think the arubans authorites keep stalling for the dad and giving him more and more time to get rid of all that needs to be gotten rid of. Surely, the aruban authorities know, the us government will most likely request that the FBI be allowed to take over this investigation whether in public or through diplomatic channels.
Harp,
The theory you are speaking of is completely unfounded. I have heard of no family problems and from what I have heard, she’s not the kind of girl that would do something so selfish. Where do you come up with this stuff?
KiminDaytona do you know her personally? or has a good source of info…I mean don’t take me wrong…not TV.
Harp,
absolutely NOT.. she has not done this before and there is no truth to that at all. It’s just liek yesterday a paper in aruba reported that she was spotted on the island and someone called her name and she ran….
What family situation is she running from? She is 18 she could leave home anytime she wanted. In fact was going to living at the University of Alabama.
To darth..vadain..maine
Not sure if you read my posting (it followed yours), but your last sentence (regarding the cash) speaks volumes (i.e., “his cut for finding another pretty girl to sell”). As I elaborate in my posting, this is not an unrealistic possibility considering his celebrity status and influence w/young women. When I now see the trend of events unfolding down there, I get the opinion the homicide theory (at least for now) has taken a back seat in the investigation. Although untimely, take the raid on the dutch boys property!
Looking for exhorbitant amnts of cash? After all, he doesn;t refrain from hiding it!
Hello,
I think that this matter must be solved but not by the dutch family.
Because his father is trying to get his son to holland and the Arubian government is helping them. Aruba is such a small island and normally every case is in no time solved. Just because it is the son of a judge and they are having problems to solve this crime. Please America make sure he is not taken his son to Holland because it will be from schiphol to his home. That is the reason why this matter is still ongoing.
Harp – That sounds very far fetched, seems like if true, that would have hit mainstream media already particularly after our favorite screwball here in Georgia, Jennifer Wilbanks.
B’ham Belle, said said it is a theory I heard. Just asking.
crs, You have a point there.
crs,
I think it is entirely possible that daddy is helping…. how many other things has he covered up for him in the past. The vido tape for one but I am sure there are others. I agree that two weeks is too long to wait but again it may have to do with the laws they operate on which is very frustrating to us here.
Hey ya’ll. Long time watcher, first time typer.
I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on why Natalee may have gotten into that car that fateful night. I live very close to Myrtle Beach, SC… THE party beach of the south. Hundreds of thousands of high school graduates head that way every summer, and just let loose. Many of them are with parents on vacation, but most of them are with a bunch of friends celebrating their new freedom & “grown up” status. Although Natalee’s trip was on a much bigger & more expensive scale, it was basically the same thing. No fault to parents or children. She was 18 & this is her graduation beach trip. It is ASSUMED on all sides that they will enjoy themselves! You just have to trust that you’ve raised your children right & that they will use good common sense.
If Natalee was drunk or not when she left C&C’s doesn’t really matter. Here’s why. While “cruising” down the main street of Myrtle Beach during the summer, you see random guys and girls running to jump into another random guy/girls car, or going up onto strangers’ hotel balconies, or whatever… as long as it’s fun to them. Girls especially are really bad to jump out of a friends car and hoist up into the back of a pickup truck going the other way, just because the guy was cute and smiled, or asked her to come along. These people don’t know each other from Adam, but that’s not going thru their heads at that point in time. In a constant “party” atmosphere, even the most shy, intelligent, “good girl” can have serious judgement issues & just go along for the ride. I’ve been there & I’ll look back sometimes and just become amazed that I actually lived thru some of the stupid, senseless things that I did. Most times, it was for the attention of a guy too. Natalee’s only fault is that she turned her judgement sensors WAY down that night, and never once thought “This might not be the best thing to do”. Her friends did the same thing & are now learning a very hard lesson.
Also, you guys know that this type of situation happens EVERY day here in America. Why are you picking on Aruba? I’m also angry that the police aren’t handling this the right way, but if they don’t have the practice, then they aren’t going to be as good as our police are. I commend Aruba (and especially their people) for the way that they are handling all of this publicity & trying to accommodate Natalee’s family as well. I also commend them for the LACK of crime that they’ve had up until now. They must be doing something right. Our news agencies get us so wound up over these situations with the fact AND fiction that they report, we sometimes forget that there are real people involved. Everyone hopes/prays that Natalee will be found… Arubans in particular. Let’s thank them for their efforts so far instead of constantly belittling them, and maybe they’ll be inspired to do even more. There’s an old saying, “You attract more flies with honey than sh*t”. =)
These are only my opinions.
I think the sex trade is the only other possiblity besides her being dead. I must say his love of gambling and incentive of making thousands of dollars would not make this theroy unrealistic. Especailly in light of Amy Bradley and the sightings of Amy.
She is 18 she could leave home anytime she wanted. In fact was going to living at the University of Alabama
**This not an agrument…I know abusive situation taking place even in welty families. And just because you are daughter/son of welty people you have to behave to not damage the (business relation) image of the parent(s)
Harp,
I understand it happens. It happened to a H/S g/f of mine, she was sexually abused by her father… but nothing and I mean nothing you hear about from anyone who knows her would even hint to her fleeing on her own.. my guess just gets someone some press…
Kris – i agree there is nothing unusal about getting in car with people especailly at that age and especially after a few drinks and when thinking these people are your friends.
Justin – I defiantly do not think this is the first time daddy has covered up and quite honestly i do not think this is the first time Joran had raped a girl, I do not believe most people get caught the first time they do something and I think a lot of girls who are leaving the next day although devestated would just want to go home and pretend it did not happen. Joran preyed on these young female tourists, this was not the first time, only this time it went bad.
As for Chris’s reply, well put…
However, as for P2, this is Aruba not Myrtle Beach. Drugs and trafficing are prevolent, if not commonplace here. On the issue of foul play, I do agree with your assesment, but pretty girls are not sold in Myrtle Beach.
Food f/thought.
crs,
Yeah I have thought that myself. She would bring a huge premium in that market because of her looks. Sad to say…. Then if you can believe the comment from the one guard that one of the brothers making a comment about her turning up in a crack house somewhere. Makes you wonder…. as much as they like to say it does not happen there it does…
To Kris,
Totalllyyy agreee with you!
crs,
agree 100% on the rape issue with this kid. Not first time and there would be the strong probablity these girls would blame themselves for it happening. Figure screw it and move on…. Sure as hell would be nice is one would speak up now though…
Harp,
No, I do not personally know her. This “happening” has consumed my time as I cannot believe that the police in Aruba let so many days go by before they picked up the car that she was last seen in, yet they had two security guards with just a statement from one of the three last seen with her. I Do however have a lot of friends that live in Alabama and TN and they visit me all the time in FL. I saw a picture in the Alabama print newspaper last week that showed many of her friends all at one home, guys and girls in tears. I know all too well if you have a great friend in the south… and we’ve all been here by now unless your under 16 – had friends in your crowd that were serious about life, didnt really drink, didnt get high, etc. but gave their friends the same respect if they chose to kinda thing. A real friend. That is what I paint of Natalee from the facts. It appears people are trying to protect this Joran yet cannot defend everything that has been heard of his past, but you can look at Natalees friends and family and feel what kind of person that she is. Full scholarship to med at the University of Alabama. I feel for her friends that went to Aruba with her. Some of her closest guy friends apparently didn’t really like Joran, but they partied with him at a poker table…I couldn’t fathom having to live with that. Her friends were asked by FBI and who knows who else not to speak, I await the Oreilly Factor when they do speak to some of her friends later.
Justin – I heard about that comment from the boy, I hope they find her either way for the family, from listening to the mom, I think she knows she is dead, she seems to say a lot, I just want to take natalee home, and it seems like the statement comes more from a place of i just want to be able to bury my daughter.
but pretty girls are not sold in Myrtle Beach…And not in Aruba either! How do you guys come to this conclution any way….I know my island better that you do. I think You heard something, and interpet it you way. It the other way around. South American’s are trying to come to Aruba to have a better future not selling for drugs, this is stupid.
crs,
I got that same impression from her comments. Or at least she has resigned herself to it.
I truly hope the entire family will get the closure they need. I could not even imagine teh pain and grief the family must feel. And I hope to hell I never will have to know.
Man what I would give for just an hour alone with these guys.
Harp -
Have you read the Amy Bradley story?
Justin, terrible story no matter how it shakes out, something has to happen in the next week or i think the media starts to pull out of there.
Have you read the Amy Bradley story? It has nothing to do with Aruba….learn Geografy
Kris, I wholeheartedly agree with you. As a parent of daughters just a tad older than Natalee, I will never say never. Two angels and one not so – you just raise them right and hope they do the right thing. And you also hope they are lucky. ‘Cuz we probably have all been there – and been lucky enough to live through it.
Harp,
I do not mean to imply that it is orginated in Aruba but there are several counties in very close proximaty to your country that do traffic in human slaves and in particular young girls. It is entirely possible for there to be connections through someone there. As much as I hate to say it but I do believe(although ihave no proof) that many of the young girls from the states that just disappear end up in those rings. no place is immune from it.
Oh,,,Justin..ok
Harp-
I know geography wll, thanks, the story on msnbc said there next docking stop was Aruba, thanks though!! By the way, it does prove, based on her sightings, particularly the one in a whore house, that this type of thing does happen places. In the future, don’t be a smartass!
Amy Bradley case doesn’t have anything to do with Natalee Holloway case, different circumstances, different island where she was missing from the ship. That family had issues and also lost both civil suits against the cruise line for their daughters disappearance because they failed to let them know that she HAD BEEN SEEN ALIVE since the disappearance. Her family concluded that they lied because they had seen someone taking pictures of their home and felt that they were taking these pictures back to their daughter and threatening her to keep her from calling….Please….this was on Dateline. We past the millennium. This is about a missing american tourist that went to a beautiful island with the Class of 2005 – a high school that has been going to Aruba with its graduates for 4 or 5 years. I finger needs to pointed to three guys…Joran, Deepak, and his younger brother whatever his first name is…
RE: Amanda
Really into blaming the victim? I guess if someone slipped some roofies or liquid ecstacy into one of your drinks, thereby severly impairing both mental and physical functioning- others would say- Yeah, Amanda made a poor decision. Do you think Natalee (if drinking) would say, “Bartender, two beers, one with extra roofies please.”
Blaming victim does nothing towards working on a solution. Maybe you should consider your own drinking behavior. It is possible to go into a bar and order water or a coke. Just a suggestion.
By the way, it does prove, based on her sightings, particularly the one in a whore house, that this type of thing does happen places. In the future, don’t be a smartass!
**This doesn’t prove anything, You got whore house everywhere in the world. A it depends on who you are asking you will get a different story, the credability of the person is also a point. Did they ask a drug addict of a person who know?
By the way, if anyone knows the creditable Oprah Winfrey, and if you don’t – it doesn’t take much to back up facts with the internet – human slavery, selling for prostitution within the US and staying in the US is growing and fairly big. Parents selling their kids, young and teens. Its not all international.
Nice letter Julia, but I must make one clarification: O’Reilly IS an idiot.
Were always agreeing to disagree and everyone can’t please everybody. But I will say I have seen the Washington Post retract, the New York Times retract and what comes out of the mouths of guests of Bill O’Reilly show as long as I have been watching do not retract – and to me that says something.
There are some interesting theories here. Will some of you who have been following this closely please summarize your theories on what happened to Natalee, who was involved, and where she is today?
To me it looks likely that Joran and/or the 2 other kids slipped her a date rape drug. She says she’s tired, they offer to drive her to her hotel. She knows them and thinks they are safe, plus she’s a little out of it so her defenses are down. They take off and say something like “it’s your last night in Aruba, let’s take one last drive around the beach”. Joran puts the moves on her in the back seat. She is really fading fast and wants to get back to her room. Joran has the two other guys drop Natalee and him off near the Marriott so he can try to put the moves on her in the lovers lane area. Then Natalee either has a fatal reaction to the date rape drug and alcohol, or he tries to force himself on her, she protests, he loses it, and something bad happens. Either way he freaks out and figures he has to do something. He text messages the two guys. He then disposes of the body, probably temporarily. Later, someone assists in eliminating the body more permanently – either way offshore, buried in a remote location, on in that shark infested area mentioned in some posts. They throw out the story about the two black security guards as a red herring to buy them time to coordinate their stories, dispose of any damning evidence, etc. Joran then tries to wait it out and hope that with no body he cannot be charged.
That is my best guess at this time. My main questions are: who might have helped Joran to dispose of all evidence? Did the 2 Surinamese kids know anything – are they guilty just of lying to the police/conspiracy or were they involved as well (i.e. the plan was for all 3 of them to take advantage of Natalee)? Does the government know more than they are acknowleding and are they trying to find a way to protect the boy due to the family’s political status on the island?
Regardless, this is a terrible tragedy for the girl and her family, and it is a shame for the vast majority of Arubans who will suffer the consequences of these boys’ actions.
I would really like to hear theories from those of you who are really on top of the happenings in this case.
Mike M, I think your theory is very feasible and is one I hold, along with this:
They drugged her, had their own ways with her, and sold her for $50,000 to a pimp. I’ve heard (key word there “heard”) that the prostitute industry trafficks women much in the same way drugs are trafficked, except theyre more of a renewable good. That sounds horrible, but that’s how they look at it. I am leaning more towards your theory of accidental death, however.
Let me clarify: accidental death or non-premeditated murder
MikeM..I have followed this story very closely from the beginning, as a friend of mine had a daughter on the trip. I must say, in my OPINION, you are right on the money. I fear that she will never be found, and the boys may never confess, as they will never have a reason to. Peace be with Natalee and her friends and family.
wait a minute no body no case not necessarily
I can think of one high profile case in Canada where the guy was convicted of murdering his ex girlfriend without a body being found, he keeps proclaiming his innocence, he appealed his conviction on the basis that there was evidence that Paul Bernardo, the serial rapist, kidnapper and killer in Canada had been seen hanging around the woman this guy was convicted of killing and the court threw it out (I wonder myself)
because Bernardo is in jail for life so he has no incentive to cop to it…….
now they found blood evidence in her car that was found abandoned and other evidence I think that linked him to the car and besides the fact he was sort of stalking her and had made threats, they convicted him on purely circumstantial evidence
I also would like to say as far as Fox news issuing a retraction: if anyone remembers, when the AP retracted their initial story about a murder confession and police being led to a body, CNN kept reporting it for days after it had been corrected…..says alot about good ole Ted Turner. Just keep reporting it and hope it pans out so they won’t have to retract.
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PS I don’t think boys that age can withstand the pressure, they are already playing them against each other, standard tricks, someone is going to blurt out something or they are going to find something that can’t be explained away…….
we could send them to Gitmo but unlike the Al Queda dudes, they would enjoy having their personal space invaded by female interrogators……
I couln’t care less what his so-called credentials are (nor will I waste my time reading them). His biased journalism is nothing BUT spin.
livesatthebeach
He is quite controversial – and not everyone likes the guy. I have chose to spin him many times – just not in thie Holloway shows.
Human Trafficking and slavery exists in the USA as it exists everywhere else.
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/eap/united_states/index.html
other reports state as many as 100,000.
i have seen slaves(not in the us), been given slaves(i freed her), and witnessed the horror. to pretend it doesnt exist is bullshit.
just watned to add..
but personally? I think the boys did something to her.. or did something with her taht resulted in her death.
Natalee was an intriguing target- Smart, sweet, goal-oriented, and an achiever. Possibly with high morals when it came to sexal activitiy. Joron took it as a conquest. Tried to woo her into sex. She wouldn’t budge. He took it as a personal insult, and the three conspired to use GHB. Probably, Joron had used it before. Told the guys they could get in on the action.
The plan was to drug her, take her out where no one could hear screams or noises….let her wake up in the boonies. He’ll show her. Who does she think she is? Bloody American Girls are all the same. Trash–including her.
Well, I think the plan went well. They told her they’d give her a ride to the hotel. That was her plan all along. She thought they were doing what she’d asked them to do. After all, they all knew where she stood. But they didn’t take her to the hotel. By this time, she is out of it. Feeling the affects of the drug. They follow through with their plan. Only, she dies–stops breathing.
Now what? They freak. They are gonna get busted for the drug. Whaaaah. My future is sullied. Let’s bury her and say we have no idea what happened. They thought to throw her in the ocean, but didn’t know if she’d wash back up. Possibly buried her in some soft dirt near the water until they could get back and be more efficient.
Don’t think Daddy knows. Daddy would have said “better to take the rap for GHB then for murder”. Daddy could have got him out of that with character assasination. Like what has been happening on some blogs.
Can someone pls tell me what time the O’Reilly thing is on?
New C.
Daddyjudge knows. He has sponsored his childs behavior for years and mommyteacher, with all of her good intent, has sat back and watched unwilling or unable to do anything about it.
What kind of parent let their 17 year old, wild ass kid, live in an apartment attached to the house ? Who watches when he comes and goes ? NOBODY !!! He has the run of the place and does what he wants- Visit the website. Mommyteacher too busy with her philosophic points of view and Daddyjudge (wannabe) too busy trying to be the good bureaucrat as well as the occassional casino rat. Daddyjudge knows —- and little “Bro” Valentijn is in on it.. Wait and see.
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Thank you!!! Watching Anderson Cooper right now
I understand that the judge is reviewing the evidence on the 3 worms and will make a decision within the next 3 days. first off I would like to say more realtives of the Holloways have flown into Aruba. I think it would be better for the worms to admit what happened and stay in jail for 20 yrs or more than to be free. I dont think people will forget their faces for a while and odds are better if they stay in jail.
I’d like to say this: Sometimes the US police put so much pressure on suspects they confess to crimes they didn’t commit. Maybe its better that the Arubans have a slow method. And the whole reason why I wouldn’t actively boycott Aruba is because that is going to hurt cooks, maids, concierges, tour guides and the people I am frustrated with are the police. What can you do?
No one will forget any faces or Natalee until the people know what has happened. The media will not forget about this, something they feel is bigger might come along and side track them for a moment, but all networks will focus on this Southern family in Alabama that’s daughter, friend, classmate went with the graduating class of 2005 (and same high school to Aruba at gradation for several years) and only one didnt return in 2005 out of what 135 persons???? Something happened to this your woman and there will have be an answer for the media to back off.
tracy
I have always wanted to go to Aruba , but in light of this situation I am not sure . It will depend on the outcome of this. As a lot of Americans will probably do the same . They will not feel comfortable knowing how bad the police are if something were to happen.
tracy
If I were a cook, maid, concierges, or tour guide in Aruba, I would be glad of all this pressure being put on the police department there, because their incompetence has never been revealed before. Makes one wonder if their low crime rate is the result of crimes are being swept under the rug and forgotten about.
I personally feel once the media quits focusing on this story it too will be conveniently forgotten and swept under the rug. Maybe this is the reason things are moving so slow.
For Natalee’s sake, until this is resolved, I hope the media never forgets!
Tracy,
Boycott, I feel for all the employees within the hospitality industry in Aruba. But there should be no worry. Although the case with Natalee is botched, travel agencies will make it so lucrative to travel to the island and all the people that paid in advance, it should not affect everyone else on the island. I certainly hope not. I think what needs to be investigated is the police dep’t there and their connection with Carlos ‘n Charlies. Although tragic the Natalee disappearance, that is merely politics, the guilty are guilty regardless, the long run will not effect such a beautiful island, it just took awhile for the rest of the political leaders there to realize that.
Eventually the media forgets everything.
sorry when it comes to things like this, use the law of averages, statistics, actuarial science, so I will have no trouble going to Aruba again, besides I’m an old broad, unless you feel the need to punish Aruba which is your right, the majority of Arubans aren’t responsible for the ineptness of their police force and they are good people, nicest I have ever met on a vacation, but then I didn’t go to Carlos N Charlies, which is apparently a chain, in Mexico and South America….
it is like 9-11, all these people freaked out and wouldn’t get on a plane for a long time
how silly, you have a greater chance of being killed driving in a car on the way to the airport than the chances of being in a plane crash for normal reasons let alone terrorism and look what that hysteria did to the travel and airline business, people can be such silly nilly’s, if you ask me
give Aruba averages 1 murder a year and after this case, you can be sure everyone will have their eyes open, esp younger females, and the Aruban police will learn a lesson after this whole experience
I’d say you still have more chance of getting murdered in Buffalo NY, heck these days even Toronto, with all the innocent people being shot , caught in driveby shootings, than you are in Aruba…
how many of you have been to Jamaica or the Domincan Republic or Mexico….I’ll take Aruba over those three destinations anytime…….Aruba has artesian well water so you don’t have to worry about getting Montezuma’s revenge, and I’m sorry it is still safe, this incident could have happened in any town or city in the United States, I live in a town of 80,000, more people than Aruba and we have unsolved missing person cases and we average about 1-2 murders a year…….and like Aruba, the murders are people who know each other…….
I do believe there is more to C&C than meets the eye it probably would be a good idea to do some randon raids and searches on C&C and just see what is available as far a durgs.
kids, yacht is a sailing term, a class of boats, that just doesn’t refer to the kind of yacht the Queen of England jets about in
a yacht is a keel boat of any size, be it 10 feet long, 20 feet long, 40 feet long or 100 feet long, which I imagine most middle class people in Aruba can afford the smaller yachts, in the 20 – 30 foot range……..
And while we are at it, Holland is the province Amsterdam is in, the country is called The Netherlands.
forgive us Holland is a hard habit to break, even my Dutch mother and father say Holland not the Netherlands……
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don’t JUMP to conclusions people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. “Innocent until proven guilty”. If Joran van der S. is guilty, he should be convicted. But is he guilty? We don’t know yet, so don’t jump to conclusions. What if he’s innocent? if he’s guilty, he should be convicted of course.
2. No need to boycot Aruba. Aruba is a beautiful island. I’m sure its safer than many American places and I don’t think there’s something wrong with the Aruban authorities. The police/politicians really do their best. I think Natalee’s family is more ‘frustrated’ by the media than by the authorities.
3. Let the Arubans do their job. trust the Dutch system. Aruba is not Jamaica, Cuba, etc. Maybe the Aruban police is a bit amateuristic, but there’s help from the US and the Netherlands.
4. Understand that the Dutch system and the American system are different. In Holland the police NEVER tell journalists the latest details of an investigation. They will tell you the details in COURT. It’s not ‘hiding’ information because Joran is the son of a judge (?), it’s the system. Be patient. This should not be a daily soap opera.
5. Natalee is still MISSING. Let’s hope she’s still alive. But if she’s dead and the Aruban police/the FBI can’t find the body, it’s VERY hard to PROVE she’s dead, you have to understand…
6. In Alabama there are 88 people missing. Why is Natalee more important than the other 87? Food for thought? Of course this is a drama and we should support her family etcetera etcetera, but I have the feeling the media (FoxNews) wants to sensationalize the news. And of course journalists love to go to Aruba. What’s better to work on a tropical island and to spread false rumors to put the pressure on the government of a tiny island?
7. Do we know what kind of person Natalee is? Is she a saint? Can we conclude that Joran is a casanova/player only based on some pictures and rumors? We don’t know!!! Again, don’t jump to conclusions!
8. Eh….don’t jump to conclusions.
9. Don’t jump to conclusions.
10. And don’t jump to conclusions and have more respect for the Aruban authorities, Natalee’s family, Joran’s family, EVERYONE. And don’t jump to conclusions…:)
Personally I think Holland would be a better name for the country….
Holland = the Netherlands
in response to cancon-
I realize this tragedy could happen anywhere, but when my family vacations, we don’t just close our eyes and randomly point to a map to decide where to go. There are dozens of beautiful islands and beaches near and far that Aruba must compete with. I won’t judge Aruba by this one tragic crime, but I will judge it by the inept way the investigation is being handled. UNBELIEVABLE that one suspect would confess to “opposing” suspect instead of to the supposed skilled police investigators. I wouldn’t visit Aruba because I’m scared of it’s “Barney Fife” type of law enforcement. It’s crime rate has nothing to do with my opinion. Hopefully, they’ll be humble enough to let the FBI interrogate these punks to find where they disposed of the body so her family can have peace and closure!
yacht also refers those usually luxury boats that aren’t sail driven, but sniff, I hate power boats, I’m a sail boat person….nothing more beautiful than sailing in the middle of a lake or in the ocean and it is absolutely quiet except the sound of the bow cutting through the water, sigh………
catamarans are fun too
No, Jack, the country is called the Netherlands.
come on guys how long has the American military had this Al Quatani in custody at Gitmo and it took months to break that boy down, and they had skilled interrogators, the best in the world…….and as best as I can tell, homeboy hasn’t coughed up anything of real interest yet!
I feel so bad for her mother. What a toll this must be taking, emotionally, physically, and financially. Is Natalee an only child?
I really wish that somehow they would find her.
Fact is the worms keep changing their story and which means they are lying. Why would they lie if they did not have anything to hide?They were the last to be with her, thats a fact. And now the brothers are saying something different happened than what Joran is saying.
RE: the 3 worms….I’d electrocute their gonads till they “talked”
Jack,
Sorry but the police in Aruba are a joke. They have botched this investiatgation from day one. They are in way over their heads. No Natalees mother is not frustrated with the media she is frustrated with the lack of progress that has been made and I quote” I am not any closer to finding out where my daughter is or what happened to her than the first day I got here.” She later said she felt things were moving forward but she had to go public to get any action.
It’s far more than just a few pictures on a web site on this kid. Far more. Does that make him guilty. NO but….you have to be blind to know he didn’t have “something” to do with her disappearance.
Yes there justice system is different and that too can be frustrating but the police screwed up day one on this deal. And you just have to ask if it didn’t have to do with friendships.
You know, teenagers tend to think that they are infallible – nothing really bad will happen to them. They are each the center of the universe – the world revolves around them. It takes maturity and life experiences (and a little luck) to realize that this is not the case. Except for one, all of these folks are teenagers – Natalee, the one brother, Joran
Unfortunately, these kids did not get to that mature point.
jack, i think you are pretty smart
I think Joran knew he could get away with this if he got caught because he knew what kind of joke the police were. He probably has been hearing this from his daddy.
The only thing Joran did not count on was the media attention!
lynette neither do I, security is always one of my main concerns and my other big one is I don’t want to risk getting sick, my credo is the less I have to worry about the better, so I avoid Mexico, I avoid the DR, I avoid Jamaica because of the crime situation and even that is somewhat irrational because I don’t remember the last time a tourist was killed, I won’t go to Cuba, in part because I hate Castro and most of the people I know with similar standards have had bad experiences, Cuba is hit and miss just like DR
I went to Bermuda after that one Canadian girl was murdered and that case was botched by the Bermudians, who you expect a bit higher standard there, being a more sophisticated island however Bermuda was safe, like even my own hometown, you just keep out of certain neighbourhoods at night…..
Barbados, I’d have to rethink, I love the island but the crime rate including crimes vs tourists have been on the increase, we felt some hostility even from staff members – we tried all week to get this one grumpy bartender to smile, actually we succeeded but only when his boss was present – and my experience in a bar there freaked me out, the peddlars have always been too aggressive, like Jamaica so I hear……
St.. Martins, go back there in a heartbeat but again the Dutch side is cleaner and safer but French side is funner…….you;d have to be careful on the French side at night….
my brother took his wife and his young girls to Aruba and they will do it again….because compared to other islands, the resort they were at really caters to kids and actually that is one of the bonuses of Aruba,
I mean Florida, you get these snipers of the I-95 every once and a while, I remember my brother went down there with his family in the middle of this, they went anyway, to Orlando and he said there are neighbourhoods in Orlando you don’t want to be in at night…..
Everyone’s afraid to do anything these days….It’s the “last days”…we are all afraid. And according to the Bible, in the “last days” “men’s hearts will fail them with fear”
oooo they have Greta VanSustren in Aruba now…..
I know SS we do worry way too much and the sadder reality is so many prey on those fears to manipulate us constantly and as they say the greatest thing to fear is fear itself, it holds us all back from so much
like the fear of growing old, crikey botox industry alone must be in the billions of dollars, which is ironic since botox is in essence a toxic agent……
I have no fear of old age (i’m almost 49) or of death (as I believe in heaven) but I do fear for the young people and their suffering..i have two teens, a boy 17 & girl 14 and i worry everytime they leave the house … There is so much EVIL out there.
and come on guys you know all these journalists are insisting they must go to Aruba to cover this story properly, beats Baghdad, and you can get some fantastic meals and beaches in between reports…….maybe even tottle on over to Carlos and Charlies and check it out, I’ll bet Geraldo has…….LOL, doing his investigative reporting, LOL
What i can’t understand is: why can’t the Keystone Cops FORCE the truth outta these teens? Use any tactic that works! Why are they so inept?
ScaredShitless-
That is why you should join the push to BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
yes that I understand, in fact when I got older I have the reverse happen, I was 18 and my mother had gone off to the theatre out of town with a friend, someone else had cancelled at the last minute, but didn’t tell me or my father, well we were both freaking out, we couldn’t find her, in the days before cell phones, now knowing my dad, my mother may have mentioned something but he tunes things out, esp when he is eating, so then I understood, oh this is why our mother goes through every time we are out to all hours of the night, oops……
my mother always said she could never sleep until she heard all of us come home, and with four teenagers, my mom had 4 kids in 4 years, well no wonder she went gray, LOL
and she had some reason to worry a bit, my fav story is one brother, on his way to work real early, found my other brother passed out on the lawn, he had somehow driven home, tsk tsk, and he was trying to wake him up before my father came out to get to work……..and the passed brother was usually the responsible one, go figure
yeah so I see your point but you know you just have to try and instill your kids with values, and hope you taught them well and then you let them out there and cross your fingers
They are talking about it on O’Reilley now, Everyone together now!! BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!
Jack – There is a difference between “jumping to conclusions” and arriving at an intelligent conlusion based on evidence. There is strong evidence that this boy is highly involved (ie responsible) for Natalee’s disappearance. One must make decisions at some point in life. Everything points to VanderSlut’s involvement and common sense incriminates his father, too. BTW pictures are valid indicaters also. What someone chooses as pictures to represent themselves on the internet goes along way in showing what their personality is like. The kid and his dad have been barhopping, gambling, picking up women, etc for a long time. Face it, we don’t need them to confess it in blood. They are sleaze, period. Some things are just obvious.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!! Don’t support the corrupt, inept fat cats that are exploiting good Arubans and tourists!!
Joran is a disgrace to his race. He is a “savage”, a “mutant”, a PIG
Late to this website, but I didn’t hear any retraction from Bill, HisRoyalMajesty…
I’m missed all the TV coverage, has anyone at any news outlet mentioned Geraldo’s story about the gang bang tape or any of Geraldo’s other allegations from last night
I like Bill O’reilly as he shoots straight from the hip. He criticizes politicans on both sides of the fence.
There was a letter posted on this website that HRM Bill O’Reilly was going to retract ALL of Geraldo’s statements last night…
Didn’t happen in my time zone…
Geraldo is not Bill. Geraldo isn’t too bright.
I’d bet my bippie that : those 3 morons drugged Natalee, raped her, then somehow she died and they fed her to the sharks.
…anyone heard/have reference to the retraction of last night’s dramatic description of the Aruba justice system’s total ineptness?
Whitney,
There has been no retraction…
Ok so Bill has not retracted Geraldo’s claim, he’s got an half hour to go right but I was wondering has any news outlet, TV or print repeated any of Geraldo’s claims or substantiated them, esp about the tape, has anyone seen anything, I’ll be watching Scarborough tonight, Dan from Riehl World View was saying he might be a guest on it
That’s what I said, Scared… I totally agree. I think that is the most logical explanation, however sad it may be.
It will be interesting (albeit grisly) to see how this unfolds in the next few days.
1. Does anyone really know if they even went to the beach with her. For all we know they could have gone back to thier house.
2. I believe accidental death could have occured when a struggle took place if she did not want to get as intimate as the boy wanted. But who knows where they were?
3. Maybe after they all had thier turn with her they decided to sell her and make some money so she doesn’t tell anyone what they did to her.
4. I believe nothing the 3 boys said, I only believe what her friends saw. They seen her get it the car, after that who knows where they took her. That is anyones guess.
5. I think the laws in Aruba doesn’t tell the news everything. They must know more but are keeping it on the down low.
6. A cover up is possible but I certainly hope not. This is too big of a case to cover up. But anything is possible.
People feel helpless and want to do something so boycotting Aruba makes them feel like they’re aiding the Holloway-Twitty family. Show some compassion!
This is a sad, sad, sad situation for everyone involved! I understand Joran is an over indulged, spoiled, jet setting, little boy that thinks he is grown, living a life the majority of us only dream of, but I also think that whatever happened he did not intend to kill anyone! I am sure that his anger problems stem from insecurity. I have a 16 y/o son that thinks he is grown but he is still just a “little boy” trying to grow into a man’s body. Whatever has happened to Natalee has already happened and what is done is done and can never be changed. All I can say we all need to find compassion in our hearts and pray for ALL involved. Natalee’s family is going thru pure hell and I am sure the Van der Sloot’s are also. Please find compassion in your hearts and God will take care of the rest. My heart breaks for everyone…….
just a US Marine…..I want to say thank you…USMC
Semper Fi
to Common Sense: I didn’t say boycotting aruba would bring the poor girl back, you twit, I said if the writers on this site feel that boycotting Aruba makes them feel empowered against this inept police force, then God Bless Them!
Grow up you moron
I am 49 years old, grossly overweight and have a beard!
Just saw Anette Martin on NBC psychic detectives . if anyone can find Natalie she can!
Look: this is a forum designated to Natalee….why doesn’t the ONE INSANE PERSON ON THIS BOARD, “common sense”, have himself committed so the rest of us can engage in an intelligent conversation
She found a dead guy with only a map of the park
Jerry, that is interesting. Maybe she can find Natalee.
A 2000acre park and she drew a circle on the map where he was!
Littletxlady,
At this point to even think of compassion for JVD is unreasonable. What kind of compassion do you think these little bastards had for Natalee or for her Mom, dad, family or friends….they are the ones who need to show some compassion…
I appreciate your desire but I think at this point in my opinion obviously its misplaced in regards to these punks.
Common Sense is gone. We took care of him, if he pops back up, or someone of his ilk, send me an email and I will fix it.
tom@scaredmonkeys.com
thanx
This is starting to get ridiculous. It’s being reported that they let the 3 guys go to track their movements on the island and tap their phones to see if they talk about this on their phone. During the course of the 10 days they were free, they had to talk about this on the phone or the computer. That should have led them to knowing more about the scenario with these guys or even who killed Natalie and how they are covering it up.
I think the Aruba police screwed up and they are spinning it now and saying that they did this for tactical reasons. If they did what they are saying that they did, this case would have been solved by now.
Jason T…finally…thank you…
NO ONE has retracted or commented upon the Geraldo’s explosive statements….
…and then Geraldo goes silent…((((poof))))
I think his brother is a producer at FOX so I really want to watch what the GRETA has to say about this…an intrepid reporter but she’s onlly there for a moment…read her blog on the FOX webstie…google it.
This whole investivgation is so totally botched.
Remember, Dutch history is stamped all over this story…the Dutch are LEAVING their country because of their liberal social/immigration policy…
…I could go on, but this is a story that could have been predicted…Aruba!
An indedpendent member of the Netherlands…and no…we didn’t mistake that it’s not part of the Antilles because Aruba went for total INDEPENDENCE…and then WITHDREW its application in, I think around 1990s….
So…go there if you want…hold property there and a financial interest…but, if something goes awry?
Think of the issues in the matter of Natalee Hollowy…
geez — 99% of this conversation is truly irrelevant crap.
Did anyone see the Hannity and Colmes interview with the reporter from Aruba Today? Is that lady suffering from a mental disease? She couldn’t even formulate one complete thought. On the otherside, during the O’Reilly show the Alabam teens that were on his show sounded like immature teenagers. Give me a break, that poor girl being interviewed tonight was just trying to be a hero to those clueless chaperones. And the boy said “we all were drinking responsibly”. Do these guys think we are morons. But back to my main theme, BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Good point, NEH.
I certainly will boycott Aruba. Never will I set foot there!
Trust me everyone and push to BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!! Those guys just want our money. They are corrupt and inept. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Yes, put our money where our mouth is…..keep your vacation time to the good ol’ USA! I cant afford much of one this year but I’m going 4 days to Maine!
It seems to me that phone records should be checked. I visualize a teenager in trouble calling home saying, ” Dad, I’ve got a problem. This girl and I were making out and she stopped breathing! I don’t know what to do! After a few minutes of choice Danish swear words he says, “OK, son I know someone who will take care of it. He owes me a big favor.”
I agree that there can be no compassion for JVDS or his cohorts until he is ready to admit his crime and give the family Natalee’s body to bury. I can not feel sympathy for his family either. They know he has lied, yet they defend him. Some say they would defend their child, I know I would not. I do believe that children learn by example. Parents have a responsibility to teach their children right and wrong. The parents should be embarassed at the fact their son was involved in attempting to frame innocent people for his crime. IF this is ever completely uncovered I would bet that the parents had a hand in the coverup and that has a lot to do with why the father is not allowed to see the son at this time.
Those guys will be off the island by tomorrow?
I am sick of this crap about respecting the”dutch legal system”. Why should I respect something that is misguided and corrupted. I don’t have to respect it and I don’t have to spend my money in Aruba. Everyone, the only way these people will respect Natalee’s right to seek justice is to put pressure on them to do the right thing. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Justin T
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I understand yours and you may be right…..”at this point”, but I do not believe my compassion or desire for others is misplaced or unreasonable by any means. There are so very many bad things happening everywhere in this world maybe if just a few of us had a little more compassion it just might become contagious and there would be just a little of these types of things happening. Give it some thought……maybe you might find some!
JMHO
Scared, where in Maine are you visiting??? I’ve lived here in Maine all my life
Those of you who want to boycott Aruba, will you also boycott those states in the US where people disappear nearly everyday?? People disappear everyday in the States. Your thoughts about that..
just a little less of these type of things happening. (
sorry got ahead of myself…lol)
Which state claims to have no crime then show up to a missing persons case with moe. larry and curly?
what does what you have to say do anything re: NH?
if not, it is irrelevant crap IMHO.
I wish I knew how many police and investigators there are working on this case. As US city of 40,000 its not a very big town(island). A lot of back-slapping and “home-town” “good-buddy” politics.
Sorry but I don’t give out what part of Maine I’ll be visiting…for all I know, you could be a serial murderer
are all Arubans half-witted? the Prime Minister (Uvder??) of Aruba seems to be a dimbulb
Miisla and Island Hopper-
Here is why your argument doesn’t work with me and why we should boycott Aruba. When people go missing in the US we have things called amber allerts and believe it or not lots of them are actually found. Whereas in Aruba, a small island with only 70,000 people and tons of money flowing in from drugs and tourism, they can’t muster up the means to find an 18 year old girl even when they had the three main suspects the day after she went missing? Then when things get bad, the FBI offers to help and the Arubian authorites turn it down. Everyything in this case points to corruption, incompetence and deceit rather than sincerity in finding the criminals that did this. Heck the Prime Minister would say “we hope we find Natalee” then he would say, “Aruba is safe and we hope this doesn’t hurt our reputation” (not exact words but you get the point). What do you think he really cares about? The Arubian authorities just want to get this behind them and get back to making money. That is why I say BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!
Did anyone else catch this. One of the two brothers said “something bad happened”. I thought they said that was at the light house? Now they are saying they dropped sloot and Natalee by the Marriot.
To I’m a Hater: you got a point. Just change your moniker….”Im a Hater” sounds so violent
I am a Hater of corrupt and inept people, no matter where they come from. I am sorry my screen name is not lovey dovey and politically correct. Bottom line is that people like that only listen to and respect forceful negotiation. In this case we can force their hand by calling for a BOYCOTT OF ARUBA.
Lttletxlady,
I am not knocking your opinion or your intent so I hope you didn’t interpet that way. However, I find it difficult that anyone could have any compassioin for any of these three pukes. They care about nothing and if the story of the date rape drug is true I am conviced they were all in on it or at lesat knew what the game plan was for her. I’d also bet this is not the first time they have pulled this stunt just not the same outcome….
I appreciate you can have that kind of heart. For me they are pukes and I hope they rot in hell! For Natalee’s family anf friends I have an incrediable amount of compassion….
Yes, I agree. In this world, money talks. It’s unfortunate but just ask John Walsh of America’s Most Wanted…when he tried to get the FBI to look for missing kids, they had no interest but yet would try to trace a stolen racehorse…..because the racehorse meant BIG BUCKS to someone
Good point. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!! Tell your friends, tell everyone. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
When it comes to media, Geraldo got his information in Aruba, and then had his air time on Oreilly, I dont forsee any lawsuits for his statements, and he is also an attorney. He has however since last night as his remarks usually do. (he knows “its not what you say, its how you say it”) No RETRACTIONS. Nor should there be. Joran has a past and is is out where it should of been before the Class of 2005 left bama…Bill O’Reilly spoke with her friends, honest, might of had a few drinks, no more than most, sounds like Natalee thought they were following her friends to the next bar…this is when you hope that your tax dollars are working for you…
KimInDaytona: re-read what you posted. Grammatically it makes no sense. PRoofread before you post!
Island Hopper, the majority of your reasoning is just the reason we need to be more compassionate. How do you think Christianity came to be if not for the compassion of Christ? Anger and hatred beget nothing but more anger and hatred. There is already too much of that in the world…..and some of it is right here. Sorry if I have offended anyone with kindness.
I’m a born again Christian too…..and I believe that lots of these evil people who think they are getting away with things are in for a big shock when they meet their Maker!
ScaredShitless, I think you are a bit of a “hater” also. I think you made my short list of people I like.
Oops I forgot, BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Didn’t Jesus Christ tear up a littletemple that they turned into a bazaar? I think he seemed a bit angry in the stories I read. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
To “I’m A Hater”….you’d really love radio talkshow host BOB GRANT…..he has a station, WOR, out of NY City. He’s in his late 70s and isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade and tell it like it is.
Yes, and the Bible even hints at a special place in hell for people who do wrong to children…..so Michael Jackson, beware!
I do love old people, they usually have seen it all and don’t have much else to lose. Gotta love that. I will check that show out. Thanks. BOYCOTT ARUBA, support the search for Natalee!!! BOYCOTT ARUBA!
When it comes to media, Geraldo got his information in Aruba, and then had his air time on Oreilly. I dont forsee any lawsuits for his statements, he is also an attorney. Although I left out, Joran’s father might be. But with Geraldo, no retractions. Joran has a past and it is out there where it should of been BEFORE these guys vacationed. The Class of 2005 left Alabama as that High School had done for several years to Aruba for a partying graduation …
Then..we move to tonight Bill O’Reilly spoke with her friends, honest, might of had a few drinks, no more than most, sounds like Natalee thought they were following her friends to the next bar…this is when you hope that your tax dollars are working for you… sorry scaredshless…and to think I am a proofreader by night!!!
I’m a Hater…..to to the website bobgrantonline.com and you’ll see Bob. He has talked about the Natalee case and feels so bad for what happened to her.
Someone said we have people come up missing all the time over here ,this is true but how many times do you have the people involved in there disappearance.
KimInDaytona….you must be under 35. You don’t know how to type, spell or compose a paragraph
Kimin Daytona-
If you are a proofreader by trade you must be on welfare. I wouldn’t let you pay me to proofread anything I wrote.
Jerry: How true! Letting those 3 young fellows go free just shows how STUPID the Aruban authorities are…….they keep 2 black men in jail but Mr. Dutch Boy Whitey goes free! (I’m white by the way)
I’m A Hater…are you a man or woman?
I’m a man, man baby! You? Boycott Aruba.
I’m female
cool
BOYCOTT ARUBA
TO I’M A HATER and you do not know my real profession….check your own errors
Miisla and Island Hopper-
Here is why your argument doesn’t work with me and why we should boycott Aruba. When people go missing in the US we have things called amber allerts and believe it or not lots of them are actually found. Whereas in Aruba, a small island with only 70,000 people and tons of money flowing in from drugs and tourism, they can’t muster up the means to find an 18 year old girl even when they had the three main suspects the day after she went missing? Then when things get bad, the FBI offers to help and the Arubian authorites turn it down. Everyything in this case points to corruption, incompetence and deceit rather than sincerity in finding the criminals that did this. Heck the Prime Minister would say “we hope we find Natalee” then he would say, “Aruba is safe and we hope this doesn’t hurt our reputation” (not exact words but you get the point). What do you think he really cares about? The Arubian authorities just want to get this behind them and get back to making money. That is why I say BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!!
KimInDaytona: all I am saying is Re-Read your posts before you hit the “submit comment” button. They don’t make sense grammatically. Is English your 2nd language?
How bout something constructive here?
Ive been to almost every island and Aruba and Grand Cayman were the places I felt the safest. How bout focusing on the issue at hand. One or all of these kids are lying. How bout a Sipowitz to question them………
That’s what I’ve been saying, David! Boil their gonads in oil till they beg for mercy! You’d get a confession out of them then! The authorities seem to be treating them like prima donnas.
@Tracy
Strictly, you’re right “The Netherlands is often called Holland, but Holland is really the name of only the northwestern part of the country”.
But even the Dutch call often call their country Holland…
@Justin T.
“Sorry but the police in Aruba are a joke. They have botched this investiatgation from day one. They are in way over their heads.”
How do you know? And what’s according to you “day one”? Again, Natalee is MISSING, not dead. That’s a huge difference. What can the police do when the girl is missing? And how do you know they have “botched” this investigation? You say that based on what? Many cases like this in the USA stay unsolved. And the FBI is in Aruba. Does that mean that FBI is a joke too? Again, why do you think the Arubans have “botched” this investigation from day one?
“No Natalees mother is not frustrated with the media she is frustrated with the lack of progress that has been made and I quote” I am not any closer to finding out where my daughter is or what happened to her than the first day I got here.”
That sucks. I think whole America is frustrated with the lack of progress. But the Arubans/the FBI are doing their best. And I have the feeling Natalee’s mother is frustrated by the fake reports (FOX NEWS: “Natalee is dead”), but she also uses the media to put the pressure on the Aruban government, which I can understand. But I don’t think she should tell the media who she thinks is guilty and who’s innocent.
“NO but….you have to be blind to know he didn’t have “something” to do with her disappearance.”
Fortunately, I don’t have to decide whether he has something to do with her disappearance. The JUDGE has to decide that. I don’t know who he is, what he has said, etc. etc. so I won’t jump to conclusions. If he has something to do with it, if he killed Natalee, he should go to jail. If he has nothing to do with it, he should be released. The judge decides. We can’t, because we don’t know everything. Maybe we only know 1% of the information the police have? The police will present their evidence in the courtroom.
“Yes there justice system is different and that too can be frustrating but the police screwed up day one on this deal. And you just have to ask if it didn’t have to do with friendships.”
Friendship? Who’s friendship? Are we speculating now/making up stories/using our fantasies? And BECAUSE of their system, you don’t know whether they screwed up things or not. But there are no reasons to suspect the authorities.
@Tidroller
“There is a difference between “jumping to conclusions” and arriving at an intelligent conlusion based on evidence. There is strong evidence that this boy is highly involved (ie responsible) for Natalee’s disappearance”
I am not DEFENDING Joran van der Sloot, but there’s strong evidence that the boy is involved? “Strong”? There’s strong SUSPICION that he’s involved, but we don’t know whether there’s evidence or not. The investigation is still going on and Joran has been arrested. If there’s evidence he killed Natalee he should go prison. That’s all. Nothing more and nothing less. But we have no evidence (yet), so I think we should not jump to conclusions. IT’s likely that he’s involved, but we should also say there’s a possibility he’s innocent. And when we don’t know 100% that he’s guilty, we should not talk like he’s guilty, we can’t conclude anything. That’s what I think. Innocent until proven guilty. And we can’t conclude wat kind of person he’s only based on some pictures and rumors.
“Everything points to VanderSlut’s involvement and common sense incriminates his father, too”
SOME things point to the 3 friends (Van der Sloot and the 2 brothers). Why does common sense incriminates his father? Who decides what common sense is? And is it 100% true that his father is a judge? How powerful are judges? What have judges to do with the police and the politicians? Of course we love to create sensational, juicy stories. But what makes you think that Joran’s father has a lot of power and that the Aruban police/politicians are corrupt?
“BTW pictures are valid indicaters also. What someone chooses as pictures to represent themselves on the internet goes along way in showing what their personality is like.”
Based on the pics it seems like Joran is a real party animal. Nothing mor and nothing less! A lot of American and Dutch teenagers are party animals. So kids that have a lot of fun with friends are criminals? Drinking in the USA at the age of 17 is ‘not done’, but in lots of countries, it’s very normal.
“The kid and his dad have been barhopping, gambling, picking up women, etc for a long time.”
And his dad? What’s wrong with bar hopping? I’m 18 and I go to the bar every Friday. Picking up women? What’s wrong with picking up women? Gambling? How do you know? And what about the 2 Surinam brothers?
“Face it, we don’t need them to confess it in blood. They are sleaze, period. Some things are just obvious.”
O WOW. damn. That’s an intelligent conclusion. You’re dumb. I think YOU killed Natalee. Period. And I don’t jump to conclusion. Period. Whatever. Period.
Of course we have our theories and we share our thoughts. But there’s no need to jump to conclusions, right? We should realize that we know only know little about this case and that many missing cases (also in the USA) stay unsolved. And again, I still don’t understand why this case gets so much attention… is is because Natalee’s family knows how to ‘use’ the media?
KiminDaytona-
Did you get the point of my paragraph? When I read your paragraph, I thought I had developed dislexia. Sorry. But I think people understood my post and were confused by yours. I did have some typos, and for that, I truly apologize.
Jack…this is a message board…you’re writing another WAR AND PEACE
Siphowitz won’t get a confesssion out of these guys, you need Lyndie England pointing at their weiners to get a confession. I will pay for her plane ticket, pack of cigarrettes and dog collar. We should have some weiner pointing pictures and a confession in no time.
Neh…Neh is brilliant….
Pay attention, troups…
Like Neh
# Neh Says:
June 15th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
Did anyone else catch this. One of the two brothers said “something bad happened”. I thought they said that was at the light house? Now they are saying they dropped sloot and Natalee by the Marriot.
Joran is such a pervert he’d probably ENJOY Lyndie England!
NEH’s comment made no sense…..so the kid said “something bad happened”…what has that comment have to do with the lighthouse? Two unrelated thoughts.
Whitney, I sense sarcasm. BOYCOTT ARUBA!
Actually they do, and I am not on welfare. re- read I presume you meant proof-read…I must end at that. I am on this site for someone missing not some one that is bored with grammatical issues….look at all of yours before you submit…don’t worry about others. I don’t think anyone here is looking for an editor. But thanks for letting me know that there were typo’s
The truth lies within the confines of the three cells where the detainees are. They better get with it or let the pros take over. This is getting ridiculous. Come with the heat. Give our boys a shot at em.
Kim…you miss the point. I do re-read my posts. I am telling you to RE-READ yours! They make no sense. I still say you are not English-speaking
Wow this is interesting!
KiminDaytona-
I am truly losing IQ points as I read your posts. BOYCOTT ARUBA.
David…I say threaten to make eunuchs out of them! That might make them talk
TO I’M a HATER, not that this is the issue at hand, but can you even spell DYSLEXIA??? -
I’mAHater: Kim is beyond dumb.
Kim: you sound like a dummy. You may not be a dummy but you write like one.
I think the heat fries most Floridian brains! That’s why they have so many child killers down there!
what happened with the oreilly factor interview of Natalees friends….what was general consensus?
sorta sad to see everyone being rude to one another over nonsense here on the board….
I’ve heard Aruba is a wind swept dessert island. Sort of eerie and other worldish!
Never been to Aruba and now I plan NEVER to go there!
There are ways to make them talk. Its time to bring the heat. Im trained in interrogation tactics. Isolate them and go with it. There is no way that all three will make the cut. Bring the heat. Let our boys have a shot. Dutch boys move aside.
The first thing I do when i get up in the morning is check the news re: Natalee and her state of being…..I hope one day soon I will arise and hear the good news that she is alive and well. I have a 17 yr old son and 14 yr old daughter….my son is also graduating this year from high school and I feel so bad for Natalee’s mom!
KiminDaytona-
Can you formulate a complete thought without losing control of your bowels?
Amen, David !!! I have a better solution! I know a fat clown who lives in NJ who could make those boys talk! She is 5 by 5 and mean as heck!
Back to my point, BOYCOTT ARUBA and keep the pressure on the corrupt and inept authorities in Aruba. BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!!
Clowns scare me.
HEY HEY
ScaredShitless, thanks for the link to Bob Grant, it looks like a good show/site. Got to run. Enjoyed it. KiminDaytona, keep using that spell checker, I love ya
You guys need to mind your manners this space is about Natalee’s disapperance not to throw insults!
scared whatever your name is..I didn’t choose this site to deal with you, nor spelling issues, heck I do that part time, I was checking on someone, and normally I would not check on others errors, but you have spelling errors…and you should think before you speak about heat and child molesters (oops…they usually do that in FL before the killers that you mentioned) is there a spell check needed on that?? As about my full time job…Neither angel, nor archangel, nor yet even the Lord Himself (who alone can say “I am with you”), can, when we have sinned, release us, unless we bring repentance with us. — St. Ambrose
My son just graduated from high school and I have a daughter who is 16, so I can relate. We spent this past spring break on St Martin and in 04 at the Allergo in Aruba. Aruba felt safer than St Martin. It is a desert island, kind of like Arizona with an ocean around it. Aruba had more open spaces, many desolate areas reachable only by 4 WD. This is a law enforcement issue more than anything else. THis type of thing can happen anywhere anytime, but I have to believe that in the US the law would have been on this much much harder.
so David…next time you read this board…figure out a way you can help the Hollowys…they’d to the same, and you know they would…Thanks.
# David Says:
June 15th, 2005 at 10:35 pm
My son just graduated from high school and I have a daughter who is 16, so I can relate. We spent this past spring break on St Martin and in 04 at the Allergo in Aruba. Aruba felt safer than St Martin. It is a desert island, kind of like Arizona with an ocean around it. Aruba had more open spaces, many desolate areas reachable only by 4 WD. This is a law enforcement issue more than anything else. THis type of thing can happen anywhere anytime, but I have to believe that in the US the law would have been on this much much harder.
Jack,
If your even still here that is: How do I know they botched up from day one? Speculation based on observatoin. You don’t let the lst 3 known guys to be with her go free without throughly interrigating them. From ALL reports they barly questioned them. No searchof cars were done no search of the house. It was PATHIC and EVERYONE is saying even many in Aruba
No is the FBI is not a joke.The joke is they were called in to help and allowed to only observe and were not allowed to particpate. Speculation on friendshps. Well known and well documented the relastionship between the father and the Cheif of Police.
Natalee’s mother has every RIGHT to speak her mind. She stated her feelings about these pukes. That she knows what happened to her daughter. And not shit happened until she did and it got major press here in the States. Everyone is Frustrated but none more than Natallee’s famly or mother. They live this 24/7. Now FINALLY the FBI is being allowed to do something and things seem to be making progress.
The police in Aruba F&*^Ked up or are covering up
my suggestion to the holloways would be to bring to bear all political pressure possible on the local/national governments. Senators, congressmen, state dept, fbi, cia, nsa, dept of homeland security, ambassadors, white house, pentagon, dea, underworld leaders, local snitches,……..in other words probably do just what they have been trying to do; be persistent; be optimisitic, be hopeful, be brave; be resolute; be firm; be mad; be determined; bring those responsible to justice; bring their daughter home;
did anyone see the kids interviewed on oreilly tonight?
im very curious about why deepak was eluding that they thought natalee would turn up in a crack house…has anyone ever read why he would even say that? is it possible they dumped her off somewhere…? and she could eb alive..seems so remote a possibility…but strange he would even conjure up a comment like that..???
I hope, Lisa, she is alive! I did not see O’Reilly as at night I am at work ….I work nights, my husband works days so we can be with our kids
Yes in reference to the kids interviewed tonight. and they’re one in a few on a repeat of Oreilly will be on again in a few minutes.
oh thank you for telling me Kim..i appreciate that
Lisa,
The full comment was either in a Crack bar or some beach bar. He told the security guard that he figured she would turn up in a few days there.
Who knows what is going through any of their minds.. seems they are all telling different stories now according to Fox
Justin: He is apparently LYING
All three have been changing stories…we’ll see tomorrow…took a long time to go back and get cars, etc….but there are always surveillance tapes in casinos..some things money can’t buy .tomorrow will hopefully be a good day…
Does anybody know did they check the fishing huts with the dogs.
The chaperones from Alabama 4 male coaches and 3 women, 3 girls to each room at the hotel…the parents knew before they went that chaperones would be there for passports and for injuries. The private jet that flew to Aruba because someone was not on the plane back home is neither here nor there, thank god that Natalees mom/stepdad have good friends. This should not be about who didn’t do their job, or who knows who A chaperone could of followed up all night with Natalee and said be back by such and such a time, and the outcome would of still been the same, locals, locals, locals. Joran was trusted by this time. Cameras were working at the casino…
I expect a break in the case by the weekend. Sources on the ground point to a clear break by the weekend. But of course we have all heard that before!!!
I don’t believe it
Scaredshitless reminds me of a middle-aged person who just loves to scarf down on Salisbury Steak TV dinners. Gross!!!
Shoot, I hope there is a break in the case soon. I’m sick and tired of hearing them say, “we are at a crucial point.” “The next few days are crucial.” “We will know something by Monday.”
UGH!
I think they should fly American citizens interested in the case to Aruba for free to investigate. How much you wanna bet we could solve this in a day? LOL
Morotai…..why the insult? If you’re lucky, you will be middle aged someday too. What are you, a misanthrope?
I don’t think there will be any break in the case………..I think we’ve heard that swan song before!
I live in Aruba, am a mother of an 10 year old daughter and like many others here I am glued to TV, Radio, Internet all the time. I feel so sorry for the Holloway family to go through this worst of nightmares for a parent. We all wonder, what happend to Natalee, it’s such a tragic mystery. When they started searching on the Fishermen’s Huts beach, very close to my home, I really felt sick. The whole island is in the grip of this tragedy, believe me, it is on everybodys mind.
Whatever happend to Natalee, don’t blame it on Aruba and the Aruban people. I think a lot of things went wrong that night, kids drinking too much etc. But thousand of times kids make even worse mistakes and nothing bad happens. Nobody’s to blame, except the one(s), who did this to Natalee and I hope for her family, that there will be a break in this case very soon.
No way, there is a ‘cover-up’, that is just an outrageaous thought. This is not a banana republic, where under the watchful eyes of the whole world, officials would protect a 17 year old; why would they? To protect a judge? Anybody really believes, that we would accept that?? If he really is involved, sooner or later he will either confess or the police will have enough evidence.
How many people disappear in the US and worldwide? How many crimes are never resolved?? Why is that? That is not an Aruban problem, but a worldwide one, inherent to crime. Let’s just hope, this is not one of them.
Sophia Says- have you read the posting on this blog about the psychic giveing detailed description of the location of Natalee’s body? Do you know wher that is? And do you know someone who could check it out?
Oops. I mean “giving details”. I know how typos infuriate Scared and Hater. Sorry guys.
New creature, it’s a long blog, haven’t read it all. can you find it for me?
I think that the possibilty exists that she went for a late night swim, somewhat intoxicated and drowned. It has happened befors
This isn’t country against country. People disappear everyday everywhere.
But a situation isolated like this with a suspect as such can not be compared to the way the US would handle. That is THE issue. In the US the three young men detained in Aruba would of been detained from the beginning, along with the silver car that Natalee was last confirmed being seen in. ALONG WITH CLOTHES, etc. Joran would be simple, seems from most websites he seems to wear the same shirt, where is that shirt tonight>>>> Almost 2 weeks in Aruba, and they say in Aruba that was for tactical reasons, that would involve cleverness, skill…why didn’t they impound the silver honda???? (2 wks ago) The US would leave this up to an attorney, the judge, and a jury, not just some officials of an island, money is always the bottom line, but at least in US they do pick you up. An FBI agent could of extracted info from hard drives on computers by now….whats the total said here….or are they being tactical again??????
sure . give me a second.
SOFIA, I’d like to know about the psychic and supposed location of body..is anyone aware of this….?
Here…. I copied it off the other thread (afternoon edition) from this site regarding Natalee Holloway.
CRS : http://forum.aceboard.net/106010-52-3310-0-Breaking-News-Confession-murder-Alabama-Teen.htm
Posted 14/06/2005 03:30:07
I am giving the location of where Natalie maybe located. As a psychic trying to help. I believe the she is located in Arikok National park in the area surrounding the 1. Prins Plantation 2. 200 feet from the road 400 feet from a trail. Her head is facing South/West. 3 There are 3 scrub like bushes next to her She is buried under three feet in depth. 4. People that were looking for her passed by and missed where she was buried by 50 feet The area is smooth hump and can not be noticed as being a grave site.. 5. the 17 year old hurt her but the others where there She died at the hands of the 17 year old white male. She died at a turn off road parking lot for a trail head. The two brothers where there and had their way with her. 6. The two black males had nothing to do with the crime and should be let go. I will pray for the family and friends of Natalie. I have a detailed map of the area with an X of the location that needs to be checked. I hope that this information will help in the investigation and you pass it on.to people that can investigate this location in more detail.
Gerster
I am totally amazed. I read the intro Tom/Red have posted to the Blog and you’d think they are instrumental in landing the space shuttle. I love their statement “We wish to do everything humanly possible to help find Natalee Holloway and have her return safe.” How much $ out of your own pockets have you given? What have you done?
Dudes, your site is a home for the lonely; the folks who have nothing better to do in their lives but pontificate on the status of Natalee. Do you think anyone in a decision making role is giving your Blog a 2nd thought. The banter among various posters is totally entertaining. You guys have an inflated vision of your self worth.
Pull the needle out of your respective arms and come back down to earth.
Howard Stern
I am totally amazed. I read the intro Tom/Red have posted to the Blog and you’d think they are instrumental in landing the space shuttle. I love their statement “We wish to do everything humanly possible to help find Natalee Holloway and have her return safe.” How much $ out of your own pockets have you given? What have you done?
Dudes, your site is a home for the lonely; the folks who have nothing better to do in their lives but pontificate on the status of Natalee. Do you think anyone in a decision making role is giving your Blog a 2nd thought. The banter among various posters is totally entertaining. You guys have an inflated vision of your self worth.
Pull the needle out of your respective arms and come back down to earth.
Mr.
Having followed this story very closely for over a week, I’m absolutely fascinated by this Joran kid. He’s 17 years old in a jurisdiction where the minimum age to drive, drink, gamble, etc. is 18. Nevertheless, he boldly drives his car all over the island without benefit of a license, whiles away his days openly gambling in the casinos, and spends his nights carousing in drunken revelry at the most popular watering holes until last call. Does anyone else find this at all peculiar? This kid didn’t just start this behavior 2 weeks ago. My guess is that he didn’t set out on his life of debauchery any later than his 14th birthday, and no one since that time has ever seen fit to intrude on his “good time. ” He evidently enjoys some sort of local “immunity,” I imagine as a consequence of his father’s prominence in government and community circles.
Consider that Aruba is governed under permissive Dutch law that tolerates drugs, and honors prostitution with legal recognition. Does anybody seriously doubt under these circumstances that Joran is into drugs, or that he frequents the island’s brothels? Then there are the reports that he’s violence prone, having thrown a classmate throught a plate glass window. Does anyone imagine that he would shrink from slapping a girl around? There is also the report that he produced/sold his own pornography, in particular a video showing the gang rape of a 14 year old girl. Why, then, might he be shy about doing the same thing to an 18 year old like Natalee? Dutch law, by the way, doesn’t have any problem with child pornography, either. It’s “all good” to them, I suppose.
Hey, this kid is 17 years old, and he’s playing with the complete “Charlie Sheen Fun Kit,” every night, as though it were NOTHING. There’s no escaping it, people; this kid is absolutely, morally DEAD. I wouldn’t put anything past him, certainly not rape, not even murder. While the police were taking Joran into custody, they should have slapped the cuffs on his old man for good measure. The acorn falls not far from the tree. Congratulations! Judge Van Der Sloot, you’ve successfully raised a perfect, 17 year old degenerate.
And yet…..here you are.
To new creature
Well, that is pretty detailed description. Just one thing, this a very remote and rough area and hard to reach with a regular car, especially at night, though not imposssible. I will pass this along to somebody I know at the police. Obviously, following the psychic they already searched there??
Just for the record: police did pick up the three guys on the very first day of Natalee disappearance. As far as I know, they interrogated them for two days and then let them go.
To the fine guy who called us out.
We are doing everything possible. We are providing a base. We are moving tips we recieve here to where they have to go to. I am on the computer 20 hours a day keeping things going.
All the while you sit an bitch. Dag blam it. We are not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
But lets talk about you.
You have the ambition to come here and denigrate our efforts.
You drop a bomb thinking yourself all sanctimonious and worldly that you can look down at others.
Your mother would be very ashamed at you.
If I acted Like you, I never would let my mother find out.
Meanwhile, I am proud of this site and very very please that I can show my mother it.
Have a wonderful evening knowing that you have the time to be so negative. You must budget it out as you sit at home. HMMM who can I rip tonight. Lets go out and look.I feel so good about myself I want to make others miserable.
sophia- that is pretty much what I understood as well. Hey, if you get a chance, take at look at http://www.riehlworldview.com . Lots of good info on there as well. They’ve also posted something about a helicopter with infrared equipment going up tonight.
TOM AND RED! THIS SITE IS REMARKABLE. No one with an inkling of sense goes around cutting people up like that for no reason.
New Creature
Thanks!
Three teenage boys should be no match for experienced skilled investigators in any country.
to new creature
I heard that heli flying over like an 2 hours ago and again a bit later and was already thinking, that they were searching again.
I’ve been to that site already, very thorough info indeed!
Has anyone else noticed that we havn’t heard a darn thing from Natalee’s parents since the mom gave her “these boys know what happened to natalee” statement. Wonder if they are in the “loop” now as far as the investigation.
like I needed ANOTHER reason to hate Howard Stern. LOL
Why would anyone waste their time on a site they did not like?
I love it when people feel that they must bring others down to make themselves feel better about themselves. How sad and misguided. You have absolutely no idea who we are in contact with regarding this story and who is on this site. Of course we would do anything possible that we are capable of to help the Holloway family and Natalee. You mean you wouldn’t? That’s admirable.
For one’s purpose in life to just be negative and be miserable must be uplifting. How about you create your own site so that you can sit in your own negativism. What really is the point to coming on a site that provides a service to thousands, whether it be family members or friends of Natalee, people who want current info on this event or other posts. If you don’t like the site, why read it?
Many seem to enjoy it. I think I’ll take their word for it.
KiminDaytona & lisabobeesa
The teen girl that was on O’Reilly tonight has been a regular commenter on our site for the past 10 days. Just another one of those things that certain individuals fail to comprehend. She posts as (Dash) or —; see what she has to say. She has been a great wealth of knowledge for us of first hand accounts.
No one on Fox, CNN or MSBNC has had any of the teens on shows until tonight. O’Reilly called it an exclusive, yet we have been blessed by the inside and personal info from (Dash) for 10 days in the comments and in the Natalee Discussion room. People on this site have been able to actually ask her questions. She is a great girl and a sweet heart who just wants her friend found safe and sound. Do to the discussion page and see what she is saying.
here’s my problem with the authorities in Aruba. So if they are not capable of dealing with such a tragedy (since they only have one or so murder a year), then why not turn this case over to the FBI agents?? Why do that?? Well, who sends the vast majority of tourists to their country?? America. Without us, their country would be in shambles. Obviously, the authorities have to know that this case is all over the media here and that the quicker they find the perp or perps, then at least tourists can know that at least the authorities acted quickly and found who ever did it. But what they’re doing right now is pathetic.
It now makes sense. Joran van der Sloot certainly told her, they are giving her a ride to HI. That was to get her to lower her guard and get in the car.
Then they took her somewhere else. They planned it very well. They probably did it before, with other innocent girls. In the case of Natalee, something bad happened.
Sofia,
I believe you. Your island would not be so popular if it were 3rd world or run by barbarians. People’s imaginations run wild, so please don’t think that all of us believe you, as a people, have no morals or are less shaken than we are by this event. Family is family all over the world. People have the same love, honor and devotion, as well as the same energy to protect and defend it when trouble arises.
Question–Since you live on the island, do you think you can give the information above (see New Creature’s post) to someone to investigate or do it yourself? Also, there was another post from a psychic that said something about a house #53 or #56; blue and white on either the NE or NW part of the island. ( I wish I could find the blog I read)
Does the Dutch boy’s father have property or access to property other then the house they live in? I assume that wealth and power on the island would include owning rental properties.
I pray for Natalee, her family and friends. and wish peace to you and all of the good people of Aruba.
Ah, the good ole days of trolls and shit stirring in the comments. Don’t miss them one bit. Night.
Sofia,
Just found your entry about turning over the information to someone. (oops! I must be tired.)
Maybe you can tell them about the house numbers, too.
A few days after the 2 security guards were arrested, one of their lawyers said during a TV interview (FOX News I think) that he heard rumours that one of Kalpoe brothers was a known ecstacy dealer on the island. Does anyone else remember hearing/seeing this?
This case has really bothered me, naturally, and I’ve read alot of ya’lls articles. I especially liked grouchy grandpa’s advice– every man, guy, and boy should read it. But please remember this— EVERYONE has made mistakes, shown bad judement , and put themselves in a bad light at one time or other– does that justify RAPE,OR DEATH? No. Concentrate on THE FACTS not another perspective ( Amanda or Jay) that’s a problem ALL countries have, and some point in time, someone ALWAYS tries to examine what’s wrong with the victims character. Maybe this is because they truly can’t understand who would commit such a crime. It would be better if they would just accept the COLD HARD FACTS___ EVIL SURROUNDS US __ AND NO ONE IS IMMUNE!!! — Thanks for your comments TLC!!
@Justin T.
“If your even still here that is: How do I know they botched up from day one? Speculation based on observatoin.”
Conclusion: you don’t know. Speculation = speculation.
“You don’t let the lst 3 known guys to be with her go free without throughly interrigating them.|
How do you know they didn’t interrogate them?
“From ALL reports they barly questioned them. No searchof cars were done no search of the house. It was PATHIC and EVERYONE is saying even many in Aruba”
Maybe the police didn’t arrest them so that they can follow them 24/7 to find out what they are hiding?
Now there are signs that Joran is involved. But on ‘day one’?
And don’t forget Natalee is MISSING. The police can’t search of houses only because a girl has been missing for a couple of days.
“No is the FBI is not a joke.The joke is they were called in to help and allowed to only observe and were not allowed to particpate.”
Aruba = NOT America. The FBI doesn’t have the right to particitate. It would be illegal if they participate I think. I don’t think the FBI can do something that the Dutch team can’t do.
“Speculation on friendshps. Well known and well documented the relastionship between the father and the Cheif of Police.”
Well documented?
“Natalee’s mother has every RIGHT to speak her mind. She stated her feelings about these pukes. That she knows what happened to her daughter.”
Of course she has every right to speak her mind. But it’s not smart because telling the media all details of the investigation will only work against the family. NO trial by media please. These pukes? As far as I know Natalee’s mother has the feeling that the 3 know what happened to her. But that’s what everybody feels. That’s also what the Aruban police feel.
“And not shit happened until she did and it got major press here in the States.”
Not true.
“Everyone is Frustrated but none more than Natallee’s famly or mother. They live this 24/7.”
Frustrated by the fact their girl is missing, frustrated by the media, ut frustrated by the lack of progress. But can you blame the Aruban authorities, that are trying to do their best?
“The police in Aruba F&*^Ked up or are covering up”
And that’s what I call jumping to conclusions.
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Does anyone have the links to any of the 3 boys web pages still?
anyone on this regular page this morning?
I have been trying to find new news and it seems to just get more tangled- whats up witht the boat and the new potential supsects? I am PRAYING that the boat wsnt to bring her to “toss” GOD i so hope that she is still alive- this is so gutwretching!
What’s up with these four paragraph opinions on this board??? Keep it it simple for crying out loud
guess nobody is here- take care and I will check in later on
?? you talking to me booy? Im not such a techie so i might be doing something wrong? the other board is just too hard to read…
The former Sheriff’s Deputy is wishing everyone a good day.
Lets get these chaperons on camera and drill-em with questions!
Deputy
The former Sheriff’s Deputy is wishing everyone a good day.
Lets get these chaperons on camera and drill-em with questions!
Deputy
Does anyone remember which discussion has Brian’s Predictions. I just wanted to see if he has anything else to say about this whole thing. Thanks!!
I’ve been to Aruba several times. The area at the lighthouse is where the current changes. The surf on the other side of the island is very rough and people do not swim there. Any chance she went swimming at the point, got caught in a riptide and swept away?
ScaredShitless is a fuggin’ psycho, nothing more.
Sorry, but that must be said.
Now..
Watch the situation in Aruba and realize that the US government is now the most hated entity in the world.
There was a time when the FBI and other such entities would not stand a half second of ‘snowballing’ by some banana republic.
Now, however, officials in Aruba must be snickering, just a little, at watching our whole country come across with the impotence of a Nevada Boxing Commissioner.
It is fashionable, even vogue, to do harm to Americans in the world today.
We hurt so many other people, that the rest of the world has ‘dehumanized’ us, in a sense.
The US is now ‘the man’ and ‘keeping the rest of the world down’ is what we are about.
Truth or not, there is my opinion.
hello all, i have been following this story along with you. And I have a thought and want to know what you think. #1 No one expected Natalees family to show up so soon after her disapearance, which pushed the police in to so called action on her disapearance. As slow s they have been going We are pretty sure that they trying to covor something up,. Maybe this is alot bigger than we imagined ( if thats possible) maybe while they were investagating Natalee’s disapearace they uncovered Daddy dearest connection with the drug sugglers or the slave trading. And while they are holding his son on one case they are gathering inforamtion on dad relating to another. Ot the two are tied together.
Has anyone heard anything else new this morning?
BTW:
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
Boycott Aruba for what??? It is the police officials who are doing an insufficient job, not all of Aruba.
BOY
COT
ARUBA
“BOY”…..Whatever that means…..WOW!!!
Left the T off of “COT” hee hee!!
I have just one comment for this all, UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Three boys just playing and hiding so well and no-one can crack them..just UNBELIEVABLE!
I agree….How can three teenagers, with the exception of one….be this hard to crack..Question?..If the FBI were handling the interrogation, would we have not received the answeres that we are so desperately seeking? This case would probably have been solved a week ago…
When I just heard of this 2 weeks ago , i was like, oh..maybe she just ran away….then i’ve heard that they let those 3 boys go, i thought, hmm…strange, then they’ve picked up the 2 security guards…..i thought, why?While the 3 boys had enough time to hide or destroy evidence, SMART MOVEEEEEEEE!!!! Why dont they just let the FBI do what they’ve got to do, and just handle it like they would do in the US, why?
It just make me sick when i’ve heard that sentence “nobody is above the law” and yet a 17 year old BOY! can drive, drink, go to the CASINO! what the hell? and noooooo!!! Nobody is above the law, when you live on a small island, mostly everyone knows who you are, they are like, oh it’s the judge boy, so let him in, let him do whatever he wants………………
Why dont they just play it smart, like, listen surinames brothers, Joran had just confessed and we have found the body…. or something like that, play mind games with these boys..
I agree, that is is unbelievable, that after 1 week, no one was able to crack three young kids. However why do you think, FBI would have been able to do so? Because they are so much smarter etc. then us stupid Arubans?? Look at Peterson case and many more US criminals. They ever comfessed??
To Reese: You should watch even more movies and come up with an even more outrageous scenario. We all want answers and trashing Aruba will not lead us there.
Sofia you must understand I am absolutely not trashing Aruba in any why, I mean common, we are neighbours, something like that could have happened over here also, but it is just when i’ve heard that the FBI went over there i thought, WOW! this is something big…. it will be solve withing 1 week………….so I thought…
Curacao, you were not, but read Reese’s message!! Well, FBI is involved, but not leading the investigation. Why they didn’t crack the boys, I don’t know!
You must know Aruba & Sofia, we are following the news very closely, everywhere you turn, someone is talking about this…….One thing i want to say, that i will still go to aruba no matter what, because that is just one beautifull island……….The “bad” reactions, you are getting now is because it is just frustrating that some thing just went a little bit odd since the beginning of this all……
Why is it automatically assumed that if the FBI was involved it would be solved immediately?
Maybe it’s just a tough case, maybe the Aruban LE just havent told YOU what is happening, in order to keep the information quiet..
FBI IS NOT PERFECT, they are NOT an international LE, they are American. They have unsolved cases, they have wanted people they cant catch, why’s that, because they are corrupt?
bullshit
Maybe it’s a tough case, yes robert, maybe. 3 boys that just wont speak or say any usefull thing…very tough case
Plain and simple, the fear needs to be put into these boys heart. Especially the two brothers because they seem to be the ones doing any talking at all….
I say; boycott Aruba!
yepper the FBI sure does make mistakes, read the 9-11 report sometime……..
and people think getting Bin Laden is taking too long, Imad Mughniyah the military commander of Hezbollah who was responsible for the bombing of the barracks in Beirut and other terrorist attacks has been a wanted man since 1982, what up with that? and the scuttlebutt is Imad is still quite active though a shyer, more behind the scenes kind of guy than Osama……
I have a question. Don’t know about how their law works but if one or both of the boys turn on the 17 year old, even without a body, would they be able to prosecute then?
Message to America:
I stumbled across this blog and the posting’s this morning. I was deeply disturbed at how quickly we as American’s are quick to blame an entire country for a single crime that prior to, many have never associated a dangerous destination.
I caution all to consider:
(1) Do we Boycott San Diego, New York, or other U.S. destinations that experience similar crimes as the current tragedy associated with the young American youth currently missing?
(2) Is the local law enforcement in Aruba not at least being similarly portrayed as U.S. law enforcement is/are in similar and varying high profile cases here in the states?
(3) How can it be rationalized that this case in Aruba and Aruba’s local political posturing, unique or extremely unreasonable to American’s when we statistically out number Aruba in questionable political scandal handling?
(4) Is the emotional and heart ranching media story triggering emotional and irrational anger towards the people Aruba?
(5) Boycotting Aruba as a political statement against what? Or an unfair and unjustified response of anger?
(6) What will the boycott accomplish in reference to preventing future similar situations? What measure of success will be defined as there is barely any similar previous historical data existing?
Main Point I would like to make:
Everyone should be very careful when rushing to judgment! It’s easy to say boycott someone else’s economy when it is simply the choice of one Caribbean island vacation or another. It seems to portray Americans as pompous pigs to call for a boycott of an entire economy when we don’t event know what happened or if any American human for that reason is receiving unfair adjudication of justice.
It seems to be at the very heart of portraying what we as American’s do not represent with liberty, justice for all and the rest of the national propaganda: accurately defined by comments by American’s herein.
We are currently in a major military conflict in the Middle East which is unarguably partially due to our image as perceived and misrepresented abroad. As we feel it is unfair for children to be taught that America is the Great Evil and thus diminish value for American life. It would seem that would be particularly careful about hypocritically doing the same thing to others by communicating that American lives and blood are superior to small Caribbean islands; communicating that economically chastising other countries to vent our anger, frustration and pain is perfectly fine.
I sincerely wish an unlikely perfect ending to the parents and loved ones of the missing young women in Aruba. If there is foul play to discovered, as it seems likely, I hope and support justice be served.
–Notes
The U.S. State Department’s travel advice for Aruba states that “street crime is low, but there have been incidents of theft from hotel rooms. Armed robbery has been known to occur. Valuables left unattended on beaches, in cars and in hotel lobbies are easy targets for theft. Car theft, including that of rental vehicles for joy riding and stripping, can occur.”
By contrast, the department notes that violent crime in Jamaica is a “serious problem … while the vast majority of crimes occur in impoverished areas, the violence is not confined. In several cases, armed robberies of Americans have turned violent when the victims resisted handing over valuables.” The department’s lengthy “Tips for Travelers to Mexico,” meanwhile, includes such cautions as “be careful when ordering beverages in local nightclubs and bars, especially at night” and “U.S. citizens should not hitchhike or accept rides from strangers.”
But the State Department’s 2005 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report notes that “while Aruba enjoys a low crime rate, prominent drug traffickers are establishing themselves sporadically on the island … drugs are easily found within walking distance of Oranjestad’s cruise pier and are frequently peddled to cruise ship tourists. The expanding use of (Ecstasy) in clubs by young people attracts increasing attention.”
Says Justin McNaull of AAA Travel: “The reality of travel is that you can get mugged anywhere, (and) the greatest danger to Americans traveling abroad is car crashes. If this stands up as being an isolated incident, it’s unlikely to have a long-term impact.”
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Aruba by the numbers
Size: 70 square miles (slightly larger than Washington, D.C.)
Population: 97,000
Annual number of tourists: 728,157 (1.3 million cruise ship visitors)
Political status: Part of the Netherlands; autonomy in internal affairs came in 1986 upon separation from the Netherlands Antilles; Dutch government responsible for defense, foreign affairs
Languages: Dutch, Papiamento (a Spanish-Portuguese-Dutch-English dialect), English, Spanish
Average per capita income: $22,000
Average literacy rate: 97%
Unemployment rate: 7%
Sources: CIA World Fact Book, Aruba Tourism Authority
THANK YOU futureventspr.com for your insightful and awe-inspiring words.
In response to “Message to America” post:
I suggest that this Op/Ed will read much in support of my learned colleague, futureventspr’s message; notwithstanding of course, the availability to add to, or perhaps even challenge some of the notions made.
America it is time to wake up from this hazy dream of superiority that appears to be clouding so many of our countrymen. Of course, in an opinion response, I get to put my own opinions out and thank goodness I can do so without threat of jail or political condemnation. We, as Americans, are the worst offenders of how we are now being perceived around the world.
To suggest a boycott of Aruba is lunacy; moreover, the mere thought is ludicrous. Why don’t we all just boycott the state of Hawaii? The crime statistics for our 50th state are an overwhelming embarrassment to our country. And to think that people would even consider boycotting an island nation is plain disgusting. Have we looked into our own eye? Have we checked for that proverbial 2×4 piece of lumber in our eye before trying to remove a spec of dust in that of Aruba?
Let’s have a look into a few matters here at home before embarrassing ourselves any further, shall we? Jessica Lunsford. A beautiful, bright, and budding 9-year-old girl taken from her home (her very own bed!) only to be sexually assaulted, stabbed numerous times, and buried alive. Ready? The very person who committed this heinous act just may be released from the penitentiary for not being advised of his rights. This is after he has openly confessed to the crime; furthermore, during the same confession he cited the four others who masterminded her abduction and were involved with him. Consequently, now these four can’t be charged. Boycott Aruba? Boycott Florida. I’ll rest here: Although this list could go on and on ad nauseam to Adam Walsh, Elizabeth Smart, Polly Klaus, Amber, again, ad nauseam.
As my learned colleague suggests in his fifth point: (5) “Boycotting Aruba as a political statement against what? Or an unfair and unjustified response of anger?” I have seen irresponsible pundits on CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC suggest the idiocy of boycotting Aruba. Hey, get real! Would these same people being saying this if Aruba produced oil? I think not. Even the most liberal of liberal’s would be calling for a military invasion. I am not going to appease anyone who is looking for a mud-slinging, name calling fight. This is my opinion, and yes I am entitled to it.
Folks it simply comes down to choices; and those my friends are yours to make. I simply will not fall into this trap of disrespecting an entire nation because the “Big Cry Baby…Most Powerful Nation on Earth” is not getting what they want. As for me, I am on my way. Cheers!
“I think the general consensus is that had something happened like this in the US that it would have been handled mush differently and we would most likely have an answer to what happened to this girl had it actually happened in the US or anyone else. These are three kids all 21 and under”
EXACTLY ! How refreshing to read THE TRUTH: THEY ARE KIDS!! Not 35 year olds. Also the case is under Aruban jursdiction, not the U.S. The Arubans do things THEIR WAY, and we have to respect that. (We have no choice — international law ensures it.)
Natalee’s parents should have thought all of that through before sending her over there on a binge-drinking fest.
Bill O’Reilly was (rightfully so) highly critical of the disorganized overseas binge-drinking fest their permissive parents allowed them to go on. LIVESATTHEBEACH says s/he has a friend whose child went on that trip. That may explain why LIVES is calling O’Reilly an “idiot.” If LIVES wants to see a real idiot, s/he should look at the friend. Only a MORON would allow their child to go on drinking junket like that one.
MARSHALL said (to an Aruban):
“Your island would not be so popular if it were 3rd world or run ”
Um, ARUBA IS THIRD WORLD!!!!!
I have come later into this investigation and did not know about Joran’s past…..He has a website? How can I find it online? Is there another website that lists his past wrongdoings….I have seen some bits and pieces listed here, but would like the full story of his past.
I just watched this weekend’s America’s Most Wanted and just saw AMW’s segment on the Natalee H. case….they showed (briefly) the three suspects’ websites and said they are no longer accessible (of course)……if anyone has a link to them, please post…..if they are completely irretrievable….what exactly was the content of the 3 suspects’ websites?
Why can’t people understand, this case has been handled poorly. The three young men may or may not have been involved in Natalee’s disappearance. Regardless, of the country these suspects, as the last known contacts of Natalee, should have been the first to be detained. Anyone who doesn’t agree that evidence could easily have been destroyed in 10 days, isn’t looking at the larger picture. To those who bring up the heinous acts committed in the US, you are correct. That has absolutely nothing to do with this case. The fact remains, this happened in Aruba, an island that touts itself as a safe haven. Regardless, of whether Natalee was drinking or was drugged, she didn’t deserve this fate. My point is, most likely now, Natalee is dead, but had this case been handled more efficiently at the start, there is a possibility she would still be alive.
The Netherlands have officially NOTHING to do with the autonomous Aruban police, besides training and if specifically asked: technical assistance. Be happy the Netherlands help at all, because they do not have to! The Netherlands have only a military role on the island: military protection.
A missing person is sad, but would you guys also be worried if this case was about a poor black girl? And also: would you rather had her disappeared in Mexico? The police there would probably help the killers to get away. So.. maybe you should boycot Cancun (= an American city in Mexico).
Last: why do Europeans think Americans are so arrogant?
YOU AINT MUCH IF YOU AINT DUTCH