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When will we know something more?
I wish this whole situation would just be resolved. I can’t even begin to imagine what this has been like for her parents.
sorry. will fix it thank for the heads up
Ron, I do not know
boy this is fluid
FYI:
Under Dutch law you are guilty until proven innocent…….
Burden of proof lies on the defense and not on the prosecution
unlike in the states, the prosecution doesn’t have to prove that someone is guilty…..
It is the defense that has to prove that someone is innocent….
I really thought there would be much more information at this point. I understand they are trying to conduct and protect an investigation, but I really thought we would know more by now.
A.P. is again reporting that one of the men who took her to the beach did indeed admit to killing her…
i dont buy this accidental bs one bit. an accident gets reported not covered up…
If it were an accident, why didn’t they come out with it right away?
if someone admitted it. why no search? according to joran s mother they had a heart to heart and he said he’ s innocent and eveything would come out.. maybe it is…
he s still creepy and slimy…
Running, where did you hear this?? nothing on AP website…… pls let know
I doubt whether this was an accident. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out how a highly charged sexual situation devolves into violence. One or more of those kids wanted more from the girl than she wanted to give; hence the incident.
during the earlier news break/press conf, the gov offical said they have reach a crucial point in the investagation… i can only hope.. im still sticking to my notion that she is either dead or alive at the abandoned town near kia…
They know people saw Natalee leave with them…..I think it’s acidental……
Boys freaked out….panic…..and did something stupid and VERY wrong….
The fact that they tried to conceal it and act cynical about it is (for me) the real crime here…..
Possibly a silly question, but aren’t there a lot of caves near the beaches in Aruba? Are they checking in there?
Did you get a chance to see those pictures of Joran(the prime suspect) on webshots.com?
They were on a post from Thursday.
Some were from him at Carlos’. I imagine this is where Holly Brown, Natalee’friend who was on the trip (quoted by AP and FOX) as saying they saw pictures of him from a week before Natalee disappeared wearing the same clothes that he had on the night Natalee disappeared. Holly characterized him as “weird”.
Also there was a picture of him with a leash around the neck of a friend ( I guess) at a party. It was a guy with no shirt on. I imagine they doing an Abu Ghraib type of re-enactment…I agree with Holly………WEIRD.
whoa… erase my last post…. was a hoax on the new A.P. report… my bad
RunningFromArlene, would you mind reposting what you posted at the end of 1110?
Breaking – Fox TV Reporting That Suspect Has Confessed To Killing Natalee (Updated)
Is it Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot? Press conference this afternoon should bring an end to the speculation(see previous post).
J.C.
The caves are on the other side of the island…..not near the beaches….
But, yes, all caves were searched..
there are some caves and im sure they are looking…one is called the tunnel of love in a very remote part of the island
he has admitted it.. this is true?
WHOA!
Thanks for the info!! I’ve never been to Aruba, so I have no clue of the landscape. I just have a really bad feeling about the caves and I’m not sure why.
i was just on the fox site and found nothing..what does this say about the new arrest? does ver der sloot have a brother?
he has two brothers i believe
NativeLingo, u know the law. It’s more like innocent intill proven quilty. Otherwise they wouldn’t wait with formal charges
We have a lot of rumors and very few substantiated facts.
what are their ages?
could one of his brothers be involved?
I wonder which one of the three confessed. Maybe one of the brothers flipped on van der sloot?
his brother is a 9th grader..doubtful he was involved…more likely it would have been one or two of his shady friends seen in his profile
Leila, true…what I was trying to point part is the burden of proof ascpect……
that family is done on aruba … it seems… no jugde for you.. come back one year!
All his siblings that I know of are younger. The oldest just graduated from 9th grade. I doubt they were involved. Remember that Joran is the youngest of the 3 suspects.
just wondering if he has a brother about his age 16-19?
Everything that I have seen on this kid, from his own words on his web site to what other people have to say about him, leads me to believe that he is an A-1 scumbag.
Rob,
Just wondering…what makes you so interested in the siblings? Why do you suspect their involvement?
They are only formally charged on the ‘first’ (Pro forma) day of the trail, until then they are ‘suspects’.
Maybe the “6th person” arrested was a sibling.
at this point i suspect everyone… it seems like a long time has past since the fbi got involved… and still no confession…i dont think it would take much to crack a 17 yr old… makes me think he’s protecting someone.. maybe someone close to him
It is my understanding that the sixth arrest is unrelated…just a coincidence. Does anyone know anything different?
From what I heard, today’s arrest is not related to this case, but then again…..who knows….
Well, insofar as they were only three, the arrest of a 4th person is sucpicous because, apparently, this 4th person was not at the bar. Perhaps they killed her and then called in this 4th person to help dispose of the body.
They said where the arrest was made, and I don’t think that’s where Joran lives
the 6th person arrested appeared to onlookers to be in his 20′s
If the 3 knew they were being watched by the police, then getting someone else involved to deal with discoverable evidence would make sense
Rob, FBI got involved after 48 hours, and has been involved ever since….
fox says the lastest is coming up in a minute.. i ll check and be right back…
Ronald, Where did you find that the 4th person was not at the bar? I have heard the Aruba radio station is broadcasting that the 4th person was arrested for kicking trash cans and screaming, basically disturbing the peace charges.
Is there going to be another press conference today?
thanks Rob
Well, no one mentioned that she left with a 4th person, so my inference was that this 4th person was not at a bar.
my point exactly native lingo.. they usually can get answers pretty quick.. you have to rememeber the fbi tactics have changed since 9-11 and they are far better at extracting info now than in thanin past.. makes me wonder why it took so long to get a 17 yr old to crack…
FYI, since the Yahoo chat room keeps getting full, another chat room has been set up at http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat . You’ll need an MSN Passport to get in.
A mass wil be held in honor of Natalee today at 7 pm.
where is it going to be Aruba girl?
Is that mass an acknowledgement that she’s dead?
Rob,
Keep in mind they were formally arrested just 2 days ago…….. I think someone cracked pretty quickly……..
Santa Cruz church.
No, that’s why I had trouble with the wording. It’s just a mass for her safety.
Is the confession rumor confirmed or still speculative?
I thought the FBI was there only as a private investigation. If they never used their divers, I doubt they are interrogating prisoners
i know the Santa cruz church.. perfect for a girl so beautiful
Aruba,
Is there any new news out of Aruba?
REAL cops would have cracked this case already. These littl epunks would have cracked in 10 minutes with an NYPD detective doing the interrogation.
Having dealt with the FBI, you can bet that they are not sitting quietly by . . .
i think you can bet that the fbi is involved in the interrogations. why else be on the island..
Besides, all you would need is outsiders who don’t well understand Aruban law destroying the case. I doubt the FBI is expert in Aruban law
The FBI is there because a US Senator insisted. Usually police departments are not real keen on outside help
something tells me that today is the day…..
From hat I heard…..they were not interrogated for the first 24 hours after the arrest…..
The FBI interrogators might not be experts in Aruban law, but they ARE experts in getting to the bottom of what happened, and that skill is effective regardless of location.
Delayed interrogations sometimes are police tactics . . .
Yet it was wrong to wait so long …
aruba has a specail relationship with the us , not like that bullshit ” special” relantionship we share with the saudi s. im talking about a birth certificate gets you in the country, not a passport, you can bet that this is not standard op procedures for the aruban authorites
There are some interesting questions as a result of the Natalee disappearance. Some stuff to think about…
1) How much sympathy do you have for a person who engages in reckless behavior and faces severe consequences? (I have little)
2) Where does one point the finger? (I say with the dumb parents — they should win the stupid prize of the year!)
3) Why doesn’t everyone get this level of attention and resources? (Because Daddy Holloway is a rich dude who is friends with a Senator)
All I know is I’d like to meet this Holloway bunch and dope slap them.
Deputy
P.S.
And to think this girl had a free ride to med school. Got to wonder if Daddy big bucks had some influence there too…
Exactly Virginia…… so if it’s true that someone has indeed “cracked”, than I say police interrogations were effective
still waiting or fox update
What kind of deterioration of seizeable evidence might have occurred in these 2 weeks? If she was killed, her body probably would leave some important clues about what happened. Might the time that has passed have compromised some vidence?
I hope that Daddy Holloway offers to reimburse the government of Aruba for the $ they have spent looking for his daughter. Hey, why not, he has the cash…
Deputy
It may not have been wrong—the police/FBI could already have had evidence of her demise and decided to delay interrogation–with all separated believing each was talking. We DON’T KNOW what they do—so criticizing at this point is not wise nor well informed.
Only if the FBI has access, and I’ve seen no evidence that they do. The Aruban authorities are trying to keep control of the case in the face of an outside onslaught the likes of which they have never seen (and probably hope to never see again). The last thing they would want is more outsiders able to give CNN interviews not under control of the Arubans.
deputy put your big load of crap back in its holster
I wonder what kind of values a Judge has instilled in his kid if in fact he is guilty (and everything points in that direction) ?
Former Sheriff’s Deputy, I know a little about U of Alabama full ride scholarships. My daughter in Louisiana was offered one unsolicitied. She never applied to the U of Alabama. And she had no interest in going to Alabama. So I don’t really consider that out of the ordinary.
Why is the FBI even involved? How many times has the FBI gotten involved when it is a poor minority child who is the victim?
Deputy
Man, Deputy—–glad you aren’t on my team . . . .
no one is guilty yet.. i remind you
Sheriff,
Nice. I have a lot of sympathy for her. Regardless of if she was drinking, on drugs, or sober, no one deserves to die or be killed simply for that. I know a lot of people who are in med school who were extremely wild in college, so the conclusions you draw have no bearing.
How can you not have sympathy for her?
Mark my words: everything points in that direction…
Well, we don’t know what happened yet, so it’s tough to assign blame or culpability.
OK. So basically U of Alabama is some no-name school throwing $ around to build a tudent base?
Deputy
Response to Deputy—Many, many times—-I have personally been involved in FBI investigations—with poor minority children as victims.
Dont blame the parents…and 18 yr old is a legal adult. She should know better. I did at that age.
You did not answer my question — why is the FBI even involved?
some ppl are heartless. i see
Because an American citizen was missing.
I’m just as upset at the van Sloot family. Joran was underage and was obviously drinking and gambling. Usually local families in places like that try to keep their kids out of the tourist areas. Is that really what they want their kids to be doing?
No, just from my knowledge they offered one to my daughter who never applied. I’m sure Natalee had the test scores to be offered one, too. Meaning, it probably wasn’t daddy’s money as you are spouting off about. Please simmer down.
Deputy, you seem to be a very bitter man…can’t blame you for what you have seen in the past, but don’t dump on other countries’ laws…And don’t dump on a family in crises, either, regardless of their social status. Try to keep some respect, as all others in all chats and blogs have…thanks.
You guys are all coming down on me. I call it as I see it. Sure, it tears at every parents heart. No question.
But, bottom line, this child willingly engaged in reckless behavior that was endorsed by her parents. Do you see the ownership of the problem?
I am not saying she should have died, etc. What I am saying is she, condoned by her ding bat parents, put herself in harms way.
Deputy
VirginiaDA—Because America doesn’t care about what happens to minority children, and it goes beyond minorities. America doesn’t care about what happens to poor people. America doesn’t care about what happens to ugly people. That’s just the way it is. She was a (1)pretty (2) young (3) white (4) girl, and that’s what this socviety care about
VirginiaDA—Because America doesn’t care about what happens to minority children, and it goes beyond minorities. America doesn’t care about what happens to poor people. America doesn’t care about what happens to ugly people. That’s just the way it is. She was a (1)pretty (2) young (3) white (4) girl, and that’s what this socviety cares about
sadly i might have to say.. tha fbi is involve because an american is missing and suspected of foul play. and apparently the us gov didnt think that the aruban authorities could handle it.. sorry to say…
Deputy, If I followed your theory, I would not prosecute killers of drug dealers; killers of prositutes . . . don’t they engage in reckless behavior, too? Sure they may put themselves in dangerous situations but does that make the crime against them any less of a crime???????
Rob, this is not the first time something bad happened to an American. Just the first time the FBI got involved.
Natalee Holloway; Disturbing Reason Why More FBI Agents Were Summoned to Aruba http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1041
Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
This might be a reason; however, I am still trying to figure out what “disturbing” thing they refer to. They give the impressions of conspiracy.
Deputy, you have no right to say what her parents did or didn’t do. I have friends who didn’t want their daughters to go on trips like this, had week long battles with them even, and some did end up giving in against their better judgement. But they’ll be on their own in two months anyway, so you just hope and pray that you’ve done all you can. And even that’s not always enough. Believe me, I’ve been lecturing up a storm this weekend. Sad, but true.
deputy dog, the blame lies with the perpertartor. not the victim, you moron…
It amazes me that you people are all caught up in the emotional aspect of the situation, but only a few of you see the situation for what it is — dumb parents, dumb kid, kid tanks herself up, hooks up with some bad guys, her friends leave her alone, and she comes to harm.
Am I missing something here?
Deputy
Ronald—your response was directed at Deputy, not to me Virginia DA—Deputy changed his id to direct something to me . . . .
Deputy, yes, your brain.
ANd Deputy—is it any less of a crime?????
the fbi is involves in other ascepts of missing ppl on aruba and other islands in the locale…
Googler, I agree with you. Born and raised in Aruba myself, I know that this is against our Aruba Way. Especially considering the father’s position. This kid, more so then others, should have behaved much ‘better’. I know this sounds old-fashioned, but there is a lot of truth in this.
Tell me, when was the last time the country got so involved, spent so much resources, on a minority child from from the getto? When was the last time you personally pulled out all the stops to resolve a case involving a minority child? Be honest, do you treat each and every case the same?
Deputy
Well, then they hide it well.
where is the ignore button? someone please tell me….
YESTERDAY—–Absolutely I do.
Have been looking for that button for a long, long time now.
Me too—let’s just ignor Deputy . . . . .
Yeah former Deputity. If your car breaks down and you find yourself in a dangerous location and you are murdered? I guess its your fault for not changing your oil, not the murderer’s fault. I cannot follow your logic Deputy.
deputy where is you re compassion for the human condition?
Deputy has a right to state his opinion. It might not be everyone else’s opinion, but he has his take.
tippy well said kudoZ!
Some of you make cracks about the ignore button. The cold, harsh truth kinda stings a little — doesn’t it?
Deputy
Ronald. You forgot…..(5) well connected….
During interview, PM mentioned that Natalee’s parents had requested his number so that Mr. Bush (himself) could contact him directly….. (heard this myself on TOP FM)…
if statement is true is another story……. he also mentioned he had constant contact with Alabama Governor and Condolezza Rice……..
Deputy, again, there are lots of parents that try to do right by their children, but make mistakes–there is no manual to go with parenting, unfortunately—and yes, Natalee made a bad choice, but she probably never had the freedom to drink and at that young age, you don’t know your limits….
Parents don’t need to be beaten up by anyone else–they are probably doing that enough to themselves right now…try to be compassionate–apparently you are not a parent and understand that most is trial and error–again, there are people that breed that shouldn’t but I honestly think, according to this girl’s past and grades, future, etc. that her parents have done everything right up til now….please have some respect…Thanks.
No, deputy, it’s annoying reading the writings of a troll. Kills more brain cells.
What make this interesting is the diverse set of opinions. None is better than another.
You might not like my opinion, but my comments are clean and no foul language is being used.
Deputy
Deputy, are you really a former sheriff’s deputy? Anyway, this young girl might have made naive choices but geez, have some heart! No one deserves this! And no family, RICH OR POOR, deserves this heartache. I’d give up my money (if i had any) in a second to ensure my child’s wellbeing!
some times i ask god ,why did you put me on earth with all these barking moon bats?
Really? You are saying the same thing over and over again. You don’t replay to any of us. Just say the same thing.
Well, we don’t know the facts, so we have no idea of what Natalee’s degree of culpability is. We don’t know what happened.
I have been following the posts for a couple of days now and am amazed at the tone some poeple use here.
There doesn’t seem to be any acknowledging that the values teens have today are so very differernt than even ten years ago. Teens today think they know someone very well if they have talked for a couple of hours. Sex today is taken very casually, much like holding hands in the hallway was for my generation (I’m mid 40′s). To really understand how Natalee could leave with these guys, you have to understand teen girls today.
As to blaming the parents, that is just wrong. I seriously doubt Natalee’s parents raised her to party and go off with people she didn’t know really well. Teens very often take values that are very different than those their parents hold. They make their own choices, very often with the idea that they are bulletproof and that nothing can happen to them because they truly believe they know better than mom and dad.
Let’s quit blaming mom and dad or even the chaperones. If these kids indeed came from wealthy families, they could have done this trip without any parents involvement or knowledge since they are of age and probably have the money anyway.
It is truly only by the grace of G-d that so many of us made it to adulthood without disappearing like Natalee, let’s remember that.
Can we do an opinion poll on this blog to see who thinks JvdS is innocent or guilty?
Unfortunately, the Deputy makes one valid point….. that if a minority from the ghetto was the missing girl, it wouldn’t make this kind of news…… The Aruban govt invited the FBI in to help… Natalee represents 80% of their income.. wealthy American tourism…..
Deputy? are You JACOB???
Blame needs to rest with perpetrators not victims and/or their families.
lots of good points…. All of you who couldn’t wait to watch “Friends” every week and made it number one……every episode glorified casual sex….and we as parents have let our kids think that is the way the world should be…… millions of more examples….. Our entire society has run amuck…
I am going to take a break from this blog.
Do all you want to do is read comments from others who share your same opinion, same emotions, etc.?
Yes, I am really a former Sheriff’s Deputy in a major department! Make it worth my wild and I am happy to prove it!
Believe it or not, I am angry, very angry about the Natalee situation. What I have tried to do is cause the real folks responsible for this tragedy to accept responsibility. I am also try to shame a few more parents in to not letting their kid go off on a drinking party at age 18.
And yes, I am a parent! And if my comments, harsh as they may be, hae cause one parent to say to their child “No you can’t go to…….” then I have done well.
Deputy
i say jaron does nt look real cooperative at this point
I certainly would never blame the parents. Being a mother I have a feeling they will be doing enough of that themselves, the second-guessing and “what ifs”. It’s not their fault. And even though Natalee may have been doing some underage drinking, she was out of her element and if she is dead then I truly do not believe it is her fault. If she is dead, I believe it is because someone killed her and the fault lies only in the person who did that. We have all read how safe Aruba is and many girls just like Natalee were on that trip and made it home safely as they do everyday. The fault lies in the person that took her life, if that is indeed what happened.
Well, we don’t know that Natalee consented to sex with these guys. There’s nothing to suggest that she did. For all we know, she may have been raped.
I will say, however, that should it be revealed that she did consent to sex with them, a lot of the public sympathy in this case will, rightly or wrongly, disappear.
fox news is saying someone is either in court or going to court
foxnews.com
I do question parents letting their kids go on senior trips where one of the major inducements is an 18 year drinking age. Yes, kids in college drink, but the atmosphere at these party places does encourage drunkeness. Just look at the CnC site. I don’t think that is a gradual transition to responsible adult behavior.
I think it is time to all parents accountable for their bad choices related to their kids.
Deputy
ron i have a question ,who exactly will be revealing her side of this supposed consentual sexual episode?
I’m a dumb dumb, a dimbo lingo, wacko lacko, shaggy waggy high-hat topsy turvey… *barf barf*
FARTY FART – excuse for being dumb, and posting wicked words, and wackety wacked comments.
Deputy
How do you not blame the parents?
These parents endoresed their child who can’t legally drink in the US to go on a booze cruise.
As Dr. Phil says — “What were they thinking?????”
Deputy
Rob—well, if they find her body, the body will have a lot to say about whether the sex was consensual.
Former Sheriff
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There will be a time for blame and people will be living with guilt. Anyone has who feels that they may have been able to change circumstances where something bad happened.
Sure 18 yr olds do things like this, does that mean this is supposed to happen? You cant tell me you did not do some wild things in your day that you would never allow your kids to do? My parents had no idea what I did when I was at college. Fortunately, things do not usually get to this point for bad judgment.
Once again, I think the point here is that Natalee is 18. She is an adult and can take a trip anywhere she wants to go. Maybe parents will try harder to keep their kids from going on trips like this next time, but she had every right to make this decision herself. And she was certainly not alone. Weren’t there over 100 from her class that went? And they went to one of the safest tourist spots they could go.
As a parent, I did not allow my kids to watch crap on tv. We didn’t even have tv for about a decade and have always had high expectation for my kids. I have not raised them to believe sex is casual or that drinking is acceptable, especially underage drinking. I have raised my kids with high standards.
What have I learned? Teens will do what they want even if it means sneaking out and lying to do what you don’t want them to.
You cannot make an 18 year old stay home if they do not want to. They make their own choices by then, like it or not. You can disapprove, but no longer have conotrol.
I don’t think that she was raped……people SAW her leave with these 3 guys…..
noone plans a rape and murder when there are witnesses that saw the victim-to-be with the criminals-to-be
then again…..alcohol and drugs could have been a factor…
on fox.com now..
“Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is feeling the strain, her brother-in-law told the AP as prosecutors prepared to make a statement Saturday morning.
When asked whether she was holding up, Tom “Jar” Twitty said, “No … She has had amazing stamina up until now, but …”
The women in the family remained sequestered in their hotel rooms while the Twitty brothers stood in the lobby, looking stressed amid a gay scene of tourists pouring onto a brightly colored bus outside advertising “Xtreme Party Cruise.”
Native–don’t be so sure—fortunately for law enforcement, criminals often are not so smart!
I am 49 yrs old and I must say: I NEVER HAD SEX, GOT DRUNK or did anything “bad” my entire life. I had sex with my fiance when I was 26 yrs old. Never got drunk! Never! So not all teen “run amok”
In other words…..I don’t think anything was PREMEDITATED….
Red: I agree with your comments.
Concerned Mom: Wrong! Daddy did not have to fund Natalee’s trip to Aruba.
Deputy
Fox New—–arrest this am was unrelated
Just confirmed confession on fox news
NativeLingo, I don’t think Natalee had any idea what she was getting herself into. 18 year olds are not very worldly, especially in a foreign country.
Prosecutor’s office “softening” in denial—according to FOX
Here is some new info: http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/11/A11.pdf . Todays Bon Dia paer including interviews etc.
ap also confirming
Natalee was NOT an “adult.” We use 18 as the legal age of majority not because there is some monumental transformation at that age but because it stems from a time when people led accelerated lives. The fact of the matter is that someone who is 18 RARELY possesses adult sensibilities. Moreover, we, as Americans, have recognized this, and that’s why we require someone to be 21 before he can drink.
Deputy…let me guess. You were a loser during your adolescent years, not very attractive, people tended to make fun of you and laugh at you. Now as an adult, you’re bitter and out to prove the “I’ll get you
back for all those years”…yep, I know. Bet you didn’t get any better looking either, did you? Bitter as ever.
Was that the name of this trip? The “booze cruise”? All I have heard is that this was a trip attended by over 100 graduates and 40 chaperones to a very safe tourist spot. No, I don’t blame the parents. Natalee is 18. We don’t know where she got the money for this trip. Maybe she’s been saving it since she was 16. Maybe there were fundraisers for this trip. How on earth can we blame the parents because their 18 year old daughter was in Aruba? Should we then blame all parents whose daughters marry men that end up killing them? Should parents forbid adult children from marrying someone they don’t like or don’t have good feellings about? Natalee is an adult.
Deputy, how do you know Natalee didn’t hold some kind of job where she saved up enough money for this trip? You don’t. Even children of the wealthy work in their teen years.
did you get the name “Scared Shitless” while you lived in the monastery?
Arlene, LOL!
What is the point of your attacking comment. Your comments are not even relevant.
Deputy
cider cops always are, why else be a cop.. they love to stress their authority our us mere morals….
There were SEVEN chaperones (NOT 40), and half of those (the coaches’ wives) were likely not used to watching large groups of kids…
still no search? What tha F?
I was a Christian who had morals. I’m scared shitless of this run-amok world! Teens having babies, engaging in sex, committing suicide! I’ve stayed married 21 years, have 2 teens that stay OUT of trouble. Make fun of me all you like but at least I am happy
And one can bet his cajones that the chaperones are in deep legal doo doo….
Now Rob—Cider—neither of you is being fair. Cops and their authority keep many of us safe and secure in our little worlds. (yep, Deputy, see I am sticking up fer ya!)
It’s all over except for the details……..How sad. Nothing else matters she’s gone.
I will pray for her parents
18 year olds may not possess the maturity that we would like them to as being “legal age”. I didn’t. But I was legal age and that’s when I moved out of my parents’ home and started making my own choices and decisions. No one could stop me if I wanted to drink, have sex, or whatever I may have wanted to do. If I were killed while making one of those decisions I would hope that people out there would not be throwing blame at my poor greiving parents. And I don’t know that anyone knows if her parents paid for this trip.
You should all respect your police departments. You come running to us when you need us.
Deputy
ahh. i ll stick by my statement
My brother’s a cop and my son might decide to be a cop. They risk their lives for us.
So what is the story, what happened?
Deputy
i have my own fire arms, i rarely ever want to see a cop..
I’ve been on trips to other countries when I was in high school and I can definitely say that the teachers and other adults that went with us were probably what kept us out of trouble. Things were a lot different when I was in high school too, however. We were never allowed to go ANYWHERE alone and we always had to give a specific time as to when we would be back. If we weren’t, the adults would come looking for us and you didn’t want that to happen. These were set “free times” (usually on for an hour or so) and we didn’t get them often since there were so many planned events and meals we went to. If you remotely got into any trouble, you were sent home, not exceptions. I think we give children way too many rights and freedoms and treat them like adults just because they’ve turned 18. As someone stated earlier, our ideas aboout a lot of topics are WAY too casual than they should be. For the past couple of years I worked a retail job for seasonal work and was around mostly high school and college kids. They are TOTALLY different than my friends and I were in school. Sex, of any kind, is just like giving someone a small kiss or holding hands, as a mother said earlier. They have no respect for themselves or anyone else. I’m not saying this is this case for Natalee, but it seems to be a very universal behavior and it keeps passing on to the younger kids. It’s very scary. I feel very bad for Natalee and her family. I even understand where Deputy is coming from, however I may have not worded it in that way. When you are that young, you don’t make good decisions I don’t care how “adult” you think you are. I know I didn’t and honestly, I’m lucky to be here and in one piece. I just wish that there would have been more rules and some curfews set in place and maybe we wouldn’t be here right now talking about this.
It IS hard to refuse to let your 18 year old go on a senior trip. But I do believe that if ALL the parents refused permission for this kind of questionable adventure it would not happen. Yes, this kind of event is very rare. Especially at safer destinations. But many of you, I suspect, have regrets about things you did on trips like this. Growing up is hard. Putting our kids directly in temptations’ way is not the best idea.
this was NOT a school sponsored trip!
Thank you.
Deputy
Deputy, when you were once 18 do you consider yourself as an adult ? does your parents make the “decisions” for you? my parents where guides and i truly love and respect them, how about yours?
I know my restrictions, what’s right from wrong, as well as anybody in this board, you where 18 once, yes?
Why point fingers? why hate? why blame? why not love, understand, help and recognize?
Why do you have to amplify the burden? did you grow from hate when you were younger?
relax and take a sip of STFU
mustique…..I’m not blaming Natalee.
This is my take on it:
Natalee was a victim of circumstances…….of a lethal mixture of factors….alcohol, raging hormones, drugs (possibly), naivety…….
I don’t believe anyone woke up that morning thinking: “tonight I’m going to rape and murder someone”……
something went wrong….terribly wrong….
mustique…..I’m not blaming Natalee.
This is my take on it:
Natalee was a victim of circumstances…….of a lethal mixture of factors….alcohol, raging hormones, drugs (possibly), naivety…….
I don’t believe anyone woke up that morning thinking: “tonight I’m going to rape and murder someone”……
something went wrong….terribly wrong….
I recently chaperoned a high school trip to the Bahamas. There were over 300 students and each chaperone was responsible for 8 students. I was surprised to learn that the school permitted a trip with so few adult chaperones. Poor judgement!
My only point here is that blaming the parents will probably cause those guilt-ridden parents much more grief than they deserve. No one knows who paid for that trip. These kids could have washed cars and raised all kinds of money in other ways. And like I’ve said before, she is 18 and I doubt she needed permission to go.
Speaking of parenthood . . . hear a crying one, guess nap time ( and quiet time for me) is over . . . . . . bye.
Dude, you are rude. Why don’t you let everyone know what you mean by STFU? A little shy?
STFU means… Shut The F*** Up
Do you think you are cute?
Deputy
VA BELLE…this was NOT A SCHOOL TRIP!
Still nothing new. Radio station made the mistake of opening their phone lines. Aruba crazies, line up and your voice will be heard.
crying child, that is —!
J.C., it’s the legal system that gives kids at 18 the rights they have. In the U.S., an 18 year old would no longer be considered a missing chile, but rather a missing adult. If a crime is committed, they are no longer in the juvie system, but in adult court/prison/whatever. They are legally able to enter into contracts that they could not legally sign the day before they turned 18. They can get a driver’s license without a parent signature. They can obtain credit without parent signature. It’s not that parents treat them as adults, it’s because legally they ARE adults. It has nothing to do with maturity, everything to do with LEGALITY.
aruba girl-
I got 5 hours too.
Lately i scroll past the trolls just to catch up with you again. Thank you for all of your time and concern .
Santa Cruz church will be packed with the good people of Aruba who have done their best to find her and find the tryth.
It’s such a small island. Any news on where they are looking now?
How could the search be missed by locals at this point?
As I understand it, the term chaperones was used loosely, very loosely. These adults were not there to keep an eye on these kids, only to be there if there was trouble or an emergency. Unfortunately, no one realized there was an emergency until NH didn’t show up at the airport. The rest flew back and one man stayed there to try to follow up. Again, these really weren’t chaperones–they were simply adults along for the ride to do their own thing until one or more of the kids needed them. I think this was up the the kids’ discretion if they were to utilize thm…
True, Sharon!
That’s my point. If they were looking for her, people would know. Cops would prob. have to block roads.
Friend of Mickey, I’m just trying not to let all the completely crazy theories get out of wack.
I think that more will be done with chaperones in the future after this event. Those kids needed more guidance.
http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat
Blood has been found in the silver Honda Civic impounded Thursday by officials, this car is supposedly owned by the suspect detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot.
The biological parents of Natalee Holloway had supposedly taken blood tests yesterday, to confirm if the blood found in the car is indeed from Natalee. The results are known. Hopefully this will be revealed in the press conference of this morning at 10 AM. This news is yet to be confirmed TOM – It was not confirmed at the press conference
I guess they will have one more scholarship to give away at U of A!
Deputy
NativeLingo, I agree. It’s a nightmare of a lot of things gone wrong.
Concerned mom, I think that was the point I was trying to make, but maybe I didn’t make it so well. lol. I have my very underage children running around me at the moment and that clouds my brain! But, that was my point also that regardless of how we feel about her maturity or lack there of, she is legally an adult and could make that decision for herself. And we really don’t know who paid for this trip. I realize it wasn’t school sponsored, but that doesn’t mean these kids didn’t bust butts to earn the money to go.
Maybe its a water search, not a land search
That’s an excellent point. But trust me, we would notice.
I know and it’s good you do. I said it earlier because sometimes things pop up too intense to sleep but so real if I were there I almost felt like I was. I love aruba and this won’t keep me from returning. beatiful people and island. The US dozens of crazy stuff daily and you must think us dangerous…still most want to come visit here despite crime.
arubagirl – are you saying that there are no signs of the search continuing on the island?
Ok, I believe you. Maybe they are waiting for it to calm down…could they have searched last night?
Again, whether she is LEGALLY an adult is irrelevant to the question whether she possessed adult sensibilities.
I think a lot of us here are forgetting what it’s like to be 18. We’ve all done thingswhen we were young that we can look back on and think how stupid it was.
I’m a former sheriff, blah blah blah, ding dang dong, im angry this im angry that, i have testosterone all over my mouth. Oh wait!!, ill give you a 20 ticket violations coz im angry.
Deputy
It was before the airport that Natalee was known missing. She was known to not be w/ the others at the 8am “headcount.” In hindsight, 100% of course, it was poor judgment to let a bunch of kids go on a “booze cruise” w/ 7 adults. Regardless of popular opine, 18 yr old kids *may* be old enough to fight for our country, drive and vote; but they (in large part) are not capable of mature decisions.
the only thing i did that was dumb at 18 was flirt with my 45 yr old english prof who was gay
bubbalou…..they might have……they are very secretive at this point…..
Ronald, whether she is LEGALLY an adult may be irrelevant to whether or not she possessed adult sensibilities but it it totally relevant as to whether or not she could have had those adult sensibilities forced on her with “permission” or curfews.
No, it’s all quiet here, so no sense of a search. The island is too small to hide that. Last night in the water, maybe…. As for searching on land . . . I’m not too sure,. They aren’t going to search in the caves at Canashito at night, because that would be risking their lives. As for searching somewhere else, I would think that there would be a big risk to compromise evidence in the dark, and if you use lights big enough, again, we would notice, destroying any secrecy you could have had.
Hey, Im in my 40′s and I know people my age that are not capable of mature decisions!!
Amen to that, Bengalbaby
Oh great-now Geraldo is going to AUA for FOX.
Yeah, I was 18 when I got married for the first time–I would rather have been drunk…if I had to show bad judgement–at least all I would have waken up with was a hangover…not a bad husband.
Sorry, had to put some levity in this blog.
Oh my God. Hide your children!
cnn has still not removed their story – they must be certain that they are correct.
cbs is saying that the police was at the hotel last night with natalee’s family and they were visibly upset. i think we all know where this is going.
Geraldo in AUA for FOX?! The last one to leave civilization, please turn off the lights.
“I guess they will have one more scholarship to give away at U of A!”
Spoken like the true pig that you are.
“i have my own fire arms, i rarely ever want to see a cop..”
Right on Rob, they’re only good for locking up those evil potsmokers–respect Deputy!
Bengle.. same here. I’m 51.. and I know people older who make bad decisions!
http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
Iv’e been lurking and reading posts for three days. You have done an excellent job of concentrating alot of info at one source.
I think the ‘disturbing circumstances’ were that Natalee’s parents could foresee problems with the Aruba police because of VDS father’s position on the island. I’m sure she had some knowledge of the contact between the three and her daughter before she even got to Aruba. One of Natalee’s friends has stated that there was almost a fight between VDS and some of her friends. She knew that the police and gov’t. would try to whitewash the whole incident.
Well, i hope they can find her. It would provide the needed closure.
I understand the whole “legality” b.s. since I’ve worked for law firms in the past and I know an 18 year old can enter into contracts, etc. My point is we give these kids, and that is what they are, way too much power and responsibility. I definitely was not the innocent doe in the woods when I was younger, but I can guarantee you this, my parents would not have let me gone on a trip named the “boose cruise”. I don’t even know if this info is correct since I think I read it was on the side of a bus, not the name of the trip. Just because someone turns 18, you don’t wake up that morning and go “hey….I’m so much smarter than I was before midnight, I think I will go enter into a contract”. And to scared, if it wasn’t a school trip, why does the news keep referring to this trip as a “senior trip”? Or is this inccorect information? (whether the school paid for it or not)
any updates?
Arubagirl-
I tried to find a map on line but none are good..do you know one?
Here we go again. Golden, how precisely were they going to white wash the whole situation? Please, enlighten me with your expertise on Aruba.
Reporters on radio station are convinced that she’s dead.
J.C……I reiterate: it was NOT a senior trip. It was a trip that seniors planned, and had been doing the past 5 years, as a “treat” for their graduation
last night police had decoys pulling the press in all directions…..they will avoid a media orgy at all cost…..
hmmmm. im thinking here…. dna, blood, honda, no search……
The mods posted here. I have no idea where they got it from. Try CIA worldfact book
cnn.com
The judge, who is flying in from another island in the Netherlands Antilles, will determine whether prosecutors have enough evidence to keep them detained for another eight days.
The hearing is set for 2 p.m. EDT.
Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg said using an outside judge is a normal procedure in high-profile cases, as government officials want to ensure a case’s proper handling.
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Rob, if you were responding to me, they searched the car. Caren Janssen didn’t say it once, but TWICE! NO search? No search for what? Her? Are you kidding me?
Confirmed that Natalee Holloway dead–father travelling to place of body.
Has it been confirmed that there WAS blood in the honda?
golden, i think you’re right. i think that’s why they’ve been soft peddalling the news and keeping things under wraps. crucial point in the investigation…yeah, right. BUT i can see why they would not want the circus in town….little did they know that FOX would send in the clowns
Excuse me Arubagirl, maybe I should have said blackwash, since the obvious intention was to blame the security guards.
aruba girl and native lingo otherwise know as the wonder twins…where is that area where they feed the sharks all the garbage?
It was called a “senior trip” because a group of seniors got together to plan it, it was NOT a school sponsored.
J.C., 18 year olds don’t think like we do. They actually believe they are smart enough before they turn 18 and just bide their time until they can legally do what they could not before.
Foxnews reports Holloway found her dead.
Sahron? Source please?
Fox News confirmed she is dead
I mean, police have found Holloway dead, and parents taking her there now. Fox News.
FOX NEWS JUST REPORTED NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS DEAD
GOD REST HER SOUL
Fox is confirming Natalee’s death
Lot of helicopter going to Sannicolcas, kia area
she is indeed sadly dead….
Okay, Golden, there I’m going to have to agree with you. Hope that the prosecutors have a good reason for letting the three boys go in the first place.
Boca Mahos, past the Gold Mine ruins
Everything is still quiet here
Yes I have just heard they are taking the parents to where the body is. How terribly sad.
SHE HAS BEEN CONFIRMED DEAD?
It saddens me to inform everyone …Rest In Peace – Natalee Holloway, http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1108
Where is the confirmation?
Fox Confirmed Found Body
Police comfirmed the story as per Fox News
The police are taking her mother and father to the location where Natalee’s body was found.
Don’t have any confirmation yet.
Nothing on the local radios yet?
Arubagirl, Leila, anything?????
Police Confirm Death of Natalee Holloway
http://www.foxnews.com/
All three guys are right now in courtroom, for a hearing on prolonging their detention, according to Top 95
Suspects are in court RIGHT NOW, most press there…….perfect decoy…….
Wow. Until the announcement of the confession I really had hope that she was still alive. My prayers go out to her family and friends.
Fox News just said that Natalee was 17 years old, not 18.
Has anyone noticed that the FATHER Van Der Sloot hasn’t shown his face anywhere? Only the mother and no one from the brothers’ family. Very strange indeed.
Concerned…I totally understand where you are coming from, because, believe it or not, I was once a teenager. I’m not trying to blame the adults on the trip, the parents, NH or anyone else. This is an extremely sad situation. Our country has gotten way too caught up in everyone’s rights, etc. and we have forgotten about plain old common sense. I do believe in rights of the people and not having a controlling government. (like we don’t really have one) However, if there would have been some type of “oppressing” curfew set or some restrictions (God forbid) for no one to be left alone, we wouldn’t be here now having this discussion, that is my point. I don’t mean have the kids on lockdown where they couldn’t have any fun, just be sensible, that’s all. God bless NH.
Not stsrange
3 suspects IN court now,
Helicopters flying around north/west side of aua
Whitney – I noticed
Her Parents-I feel like crying for them now.
I can’t imagine going on the ride across…maybe cops will fly them there. They should do everything to let them not be exploited during this time especially. My Prayers for them.
Indeed multiple efforts at the same time, decoy …
It he did it, it would really be a treat to see this van der sloot get electrocuted. It’s too bad that they don’t have the electric chair down there.
i thought kia was the place to look. everything involving poor natalee was strange. god rest her soul….does anyone know if the area where she was found was one of those old abandoned houses or buildings?
my prayers are with the family. my heart aches for them.
My heart goes out to the family and friends of Natalee Holloway. I also say Bravo to the Aruban authorities for their timing allowing the parents and family to not have cameras thrown in thier face at this most trying time.
leila-
goldmines are NW?
jc, unfortuanley government replaces common sense….
I have to congratulate the police on a job well done. I had my doubts for a while, but they have gotten it done.
Rob/
kia is a place, or kind of in area?
I pray that justice will be served. I also pray fro the great people of Aruba!!! God Bless.
kia is the prision..it is on a very rough part of the island. lots of red sand…. it could have given them a very important clue early on…
FOX has REMOVED the “Natalee Holloway Confirmed Dead” banner from its web site.
Well, Fox just pulled the news from its website. Perhaps their confirmation fell through…
ditto to what ron said, congrats to the aruban authorities… maybe we could learn a few things.. my friend was murdered in 1989 in still it is not solved….
And now it’s back!
drudge has nothing on his site… drudgereport.com
What?
Near water/good places to get shells right, but what direction is kia n/s/e/w if you know
I’m bad with directions (and typing) Thanx
Fox banner was there, now gone.
And now it’s off again. Apparently Fox (or its web person) is a bit confused.
maybe they are wait ingfor the positive identifacation….
We have a post that is expressly for the condolences.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1108#comments
Please only put respectful comments on this page as it will be moderated.
the banner is gone again from Fox News & no other news site is reporting it….????
VDS father may be trying to keep a low public profile.
some sort of breaking news AFTER COMMERCIAL on fox?
From Riehl World:
Aruba Preparing For Worse In Holloway Case
Aruban radio station Top95 is reportedly preparing Arubans for the worst possible announcement in the Natalee Holloway case.
Sources say the three boys are now before a judge to extend their detention and the location of the body is as yet unconfirmed.
banner is gone from FOX, and msnbc is not repoting it.
We need a new page. We’re up over 300 responses in this thread.
any word on the court hearing?
At least CNN stuck to their guns.
2.32 EST/ARUBA time
confirmation.. Holloway dead
Breaking news after commercial? Are those commercials over yet?
Please share..
Father requested to see body 1st.. the biological father…
Confirmation from WHERE?
After bilogical father is taken to site (Dave Holloway is father).. before media gets there. It is my understanding the Miinistry of Justice confirms Natalee’s death and father is en route to site of body now..
mother says PM has told her they are not going to recover body and she will be first to know if they do.
Did they get this info from the 3 ‘boys’? Any confession?
SI? Source please?
Huh?
Not going to recover? what?
HUH? what the hell is going on? Does anyone have a straight story?
Native- on fox a min ago.
mother not said to be going. The poor woman prob had to be press decoy on opp end island
There are conficting statements coming from Aruba. Reports from one source and reports from another.
I can’t imagine the feelings Natalee’s loved ones must be experiencing.
Fox just said that one report says the father is being taken to the scene but another says that the mother says she has not been told of this and no death confrimed to her. You would think they’d wait until there was certainty before they plastered she was dead all over their website. I’m sorry – that is not good journalism.
My heart breaks for her family.
I called it days ago that she would be found dead. And it will show that she was raped.
I put the pieces together, what, 5 days ago.
You all owe me an apology.
Deputy
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Fox seems to be the only news channel reporting anything! And they stink!