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Kerin, you’re in the Woodlands? My dad lives there, too! Small world!
wow this board moves like lightening!!!
Interesting text on Geraldo’s report:
SOURCE: JORAN WAS A SCHOOL BULLY
SOURCE: JORAN STOLE FROM FRIENDS
Not surprised…
K…I live in The Woodlands (30 min north of Houston). How about you?
ArubaGirl I think his last name was Weert?? He said he does not believe the guards are guilty…and then in typical Geraldo fashion, he cut the man off.
sorry K…LOL…I didn’t think my post was there. Wow, yes it is a small world!
I’m in Dallas.
Elvis Weert, he’s a reporter for Top 95.
arubagirl…are you anywhere near the tam?
anywhere near the what?
Sorry…The Tamrajin..
I love Dallas! I will be through there soon as I take my son off to college in NM. Wait…does my leaving him at college constitute “whoring” him off?
BengalBaby
I sure do, but lovin you does not a psychological progrosis make.
See this post
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=999
No, I’m about 15 minutes away.
This is all about keeping the lid on the kettle, for sure.
Place two black guys into the slammer, like now.l
Keep them in there.
…oh…3 peeps have been arrested.
Then…let’s see…ONE Netherland/Holland Van Der Stoop (his name?) might be the 6 foot 5 inch lug who hooked-up with the maybe-deceased-soon-to-have-been co-ed at the University of Alabama home of the crimson tide and the bear?
OK…
oh, yeah…the two black guys…
They have alibis…their friends were with them at the concert…the mother-in-law was baby sitting one of their kids and he and his wife picked-them-up…..
blah blah blah…..what’s up with anyting with respect to Mr VDSloot-what-a-name…or any of the SURINAM-ESE
BTW, Can you say…”SUR-I-NAM-EZ?”
Yup
Hey folks i’m leaving to cath some sleep it’s about 5 am here.
CU all…………………………………And now the whole story will come uot while i’m sleeping
Arubans, I’m just wondering (and forgive me if this is a totally stupid question):
Do the people in The Netherlands care much about what is going on in Aruba? I mean, aside from the “what a horrible thing to have happened” type of caring. Does this case affect them in any way? Just wondering.
Night Biggy…
Kerin………….I’m 6 blocks from the Galleria !
We have had about 4-5 % of our traffic from the Netherlands. So I would say yes they do.
John..youre from TX?…I kneew it!…lol
Arubagirl, I am not blaming law enforcement here. I think that the media is jumping all over any tiny tidbit they can get because LE there is not releasing every detail like we are used to in the US. We have this obsession with needing to know everything here all the time. I don’t know what is going on with the investigation and if it takes 4 months to catch the real killer and make sure he is punished, then by all means I hope they take the 4 months. The only complaints I have about LE is if they aren’t communicating with the parents, then I think they need to be and they need to find their leak and plug it if they don’t want the frenzy to continue. I don’t think they are handling the media well by someone in the department leaking information and someone else denying it.
Ronald…………It’s amazing that you have children at all. You certainly could have
“avoided” that just by using your personality as “birth control”……………
Oh Kerin, you FOOL! You’re going to let your son out of the house? And go to New Mexico? I think they have drugs in NM! And whores!
So, whoare the Surinamese peeps?
Anyone know?
What “business does their father own” that hasn’t been in the news for the last two weeks?
Aruba Girl? Please speak to this…
I’m counting on you!
Bengalbaby………..lol…………You Better be nice………..I just picked out your Ring…….
maybe OT but are any areas in the caribbean safe for families?
Good for you DON”T BLAME!!! You can’t ever get across to the “new ones”, trust me. They are “in love” and won’t ever listen. I’m glad you are here!!!
As for the family not knowing, in total agreement with you there dragon. That’s just cruel. Boo on you, Caren Janssen, boooo.
As for plugging the leak, ever since the whole confession thing came out, NOTHING ELSE came out from the cops / prosecution except for the : “Can’t confirm or deny”
NOTHING.
At least we got press conferences before this.
ArubaGirl – Do you know if there were search teams at Arashi Beach today?? I’d think it’d be common knowledge on the island if the search teams were active or not??
If not, then maybe that tells us something too?
JC- I hope they live happily ever after. *GRIN*
The two Surinamese guys? A car rental as far as I’ve heard.
John…I love The Galleria! (when I have money)
Yeah K…and I even took him to Negril last week and let him DRINK!!! (hanging head in shame)
Bengalbaby………………(…….and it’s TEXAS size……….lol )
what do the parents of the brothers do???
good question whitney..im curious too…
Thanks aruba gir
As far I’ve heard there was nothing. And I’m postive we would have heard, because Top 95 had a guy stationed at the lighthouse, from which you can see Arashi. And I know the guy was stationed there because he reported on the car accident that took place there.
Im in Dallas too.. Hmmm… We seem overrepresented here..
Most of my frustration is with the US media. It SO reminded me of the incident with the 2000 election and the media broadcasting results before they were really known. They need to sit back and wait for the facts.
car rental owners
*eyes lighting up*….Ohhh Goody
yeah….or unhappily ever after as I told the newbie in my case. As my mother use to say “time wounds all heals” if we were ever heart broken over someone.
I love the Houston Galleria much more than the Dallas one. Although, they’ve just completely renovated it, and it is really nice. But I still like the one in Hou better.
And Kerin, you’ve really done it now. You might as well just go ahead and make him a pimp.
ditto dragonfly
K in TX T I have to answer you…. There is almost no covereged (exuse my inglish) here in the netherland. Because there is a dutch boy as prime suspect and it’s not good publicity for their campain agains’t Antilean and Arubian imigrands in the Netherland….
By by …….
Well, The report from fox is that Joran had been steling from friends and was a bully at school.
i agree with Dragon – last night when they reported she had been murdered our whole town got hysterical.
OMG:
Thank you for this, ArubaGirl…(bow down bow down) that’d be me…
(I love the Arubagirl…)
here’s her answer:
# arubagirl Says:
June 11th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The two Surinamese guys? A car rental as far as I’ve heard.
Rick, you’re in Dallas? We have a lot of Texans, huh?
How can you blame the media? If it wasn’t for the media, these idiots would still be running around in circles. My God, the blame belongs on the investigation.
Great record that kid has. And the parents were told that his background was impeccable?!!!!!!!!!!!
i missed the talk with the parents…only saw last few seconds of it..guess they are bringing them back on…..but can anyone recap???
Well, all you Texans, I am your neighbor to your north…Oklahoma here.
Here we go again!!!
Thank you, Biggy! I have a friend that lives in Holland, but I haven’t dared ask her about her thoughts on this. She’s awesome, but we totally butt heads on any issues that could even possibly bring in politics, or our respective countries, so I remain quiet about it when we chat.
GPTMB & MBHS05:
Apparently I have been misunderstood by you two.
I meant to say that Mountain Brook is just like the other municipalities in Birmingham with high gross incomes in that we care very much about out kids. The money does not make us irresponsible parents. And just because we might be able to afford to put them into “danger” by allowing them to go places and do things that some kids cannot do does not mean that we do that without giving it considerable thought.
Mountain Brook is full of great, wonderful people. I work there, and I know hundreds of people that live there. I meant nothing derogatory about them at all.
Lots of Southern people!
I’m upset with the media for their over-zealous attitudes — they have been harassing people who were on the trips for interviews since the day the got home, and they will not take “no” for an answer…
A new challenge in the form of S.Taylor
Bring ‘em on!
Well, if nothing else, during the “lull” in the investigation and the next asinine thing to come out of Geraldo’s mouth, we’ve got a great little Texas forum going here……..
Thanks, ArubaGirl…
How odd to read Dompig’s quote saying that the confessor would lead police to the body on Friday and there not be *any* activity at Arashi Beach, where they claim they took her, the lighthouse, or anywhere else…
Something is very odd..
ArubaGirl – is the general feeling there that Joran did it somehow, and the police are being very quiet until they can build a very strong case as Joran’s family will ensure that he has the best lawyers available in his defense? What are your friends saying?
I don’t recall the media being the ones that arrested the 3 boys. Maybe I missed that story. As far as I can tell the investigation is going on without the media.
Yeah K…I realize there is no hope for him now. Negril, drinks, he even went to a club one night. He is probably so corrupted now that he will lose his scholarship, drop out of college and become a full-time pimp/ectasy dealer.
is she dead????
J.C. – you from the south, too?
Family tearing into the Prime Minister now.
wow…parents are back on with Geraldo and the stepdad is very upset that they just found out about the blood from HIM! Mom looks like she is about to faint…
So, two Surinam peeps handing with the Van Der Stoop-en-from-Holland-cut-off-ear-painter guy….doesn’t this start to sound crappy?
It’s now two weeks…
Now…who are you Mr. Van Der Stoop?
Go to ARUBA?
Yeah!
Go for it.
It’s cool Hoover — I work with some really cool Hoover kids, sorry for the misunderstanding — the biggest thing here is that we need to be praying for a safe return home for Natalee
Rick, Gerald Dompig is denying he said that. Up to you who you choose.
Tell me it’s not true: nothing confirmed.
Yup K! Raised in Kentucky, but live near Nashville TN now. Texas is too cool. I have a lot of family there and in Louisiana.
I may have to take a little break and go over to Chuck-E-Cheese and, while ordering a pizza, check the place out for girls whose parents don’t care about them and “whoring” them out……….maybe they hang around the salad bar………
what do you mean? her parents didnt know about the blood?
Kerin, which college in NM, if you don’t mind my asking? I have a lot of friends from NM. They all transplanted to Dallas for college, after growing up in small towns in NM! They are all, of course, drug dealers and prostitutes. I think that’s because their parents allowed them to go to spring break, though. Tisk tisk.
LOL John….
yeah doesnt add up that with such strict detaining laws that they wouldnt hold those three initially…and would instead detain two men without any tangible proof they were even there…weird and suspicious..as an islander myself of a different island ….makes me wonder if these boys were doing what typically happens..blaming someone else..using their own fame and “power” as some sort of collateral….
stepdad said he doesn’t think aruba officials have ever dealt with something like this and they don’t know his wife… he said she will find out what’s going on and Geraldo says the he will too
Her parents don’t seem to know anything….guess they are on par with the Aruba police.
im from tennessee
Please don’t stir the bee hive!!
LMAO John. I’m taking a break too. My daughter and her friend want to use the computer.
About fame. Doubt that they had any. About power…I’m tired of explaining it.
Geraldo on the rampage in Aruba…Now that’s a pleasant thought!!..
well seems the family didnt even know theer was blood evidence….how sad…and i am surprised to hear this…seems teh PM is talking in generalities..must be very frustrating….
Arranging a trip to ARUBA…
one of the treats?
Carlos and Charlies free cocktails if you’re 18 plus….
FREE…
ARUBA, non con blah blah…
Middle TN?
parents know nothing… have been told nothing… upset that 3 last with her weren’t questioned until 12 hours after she disappeared
Looks to me like Aruba is covering for this kid.
why do they keep confirming it then taking it away? i mean can they just do that? report false stuff?
I’ll try once more: has anyone suggested the possibility that the entire news fiasco today was done intentionally by the police to convince each of the 3 suspects that one of the other ones had confessed and thus get confessions.
Might be a good way to get even with the media too.
All..
Hello from Atlanta
Please forget all the rehtoric and strange information from all the different sources. Please mediatate on the following verse: Phillipains 4:3 I can do all thnigs through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. Please let this be a prayer of strength to the Family of NH and a prayer of strength to all following this story.
I am from Birmingham, but have lived abroad and in different cities for many years. I’m old!! However when I read these stories of missing people..regardless of race and regardless gender or age..my heart weeps. weeps for the families and for the those who loves the missing.. God knows my prayers are with you all…
Please all..have kind heart and pray for God’s will to be done…that something positive will come from this this.
Anyone who wishes to pray with me or condemn me can e-mail me at atlmetroguy @yahoo.com
Peace to all
Free cocktails? Never when I’ve been there.
You guys are SO stuck with Geraldo! He’s going to fall in love with the island and STAY!
I feel sick about what they are doing to the family.
I would think that since they took blood from the mon to compare with the blood in the car the parents would know about blood being found.
I went to Western Kentucky University…only an hour from Nashville
John:
I’m not sure which is worse. “Whoring” your kids a Chuckee’s or ADMITING that you are going there and actually eating the food!
tell me it;s not true….. they report false stuff alllllll the time!
knox
well i know rich kids here get preferential treatment and “consderation”….i see it all the time..im sure Aruba is no exception..a police officer would tread lightly with a justice officials son…
arubagirl, did you receive an e-mail about natalee? if not I can send it to you….
thanks atl
Nothing has been confirmed by police or prosecution. CNN and Fox keep reporting that taking it back.
Where is most of your web site traffic coming from? You mentioned that some were from Holland.
I am in Delaware on vacation but I am from Mountain Brook and my cousin was out with her the night she disappeared and saw her get in the car.
I don’t have any first hand information, but there are rumors. Has anyone heard anything concrete about these rumors:
1) Roofies- date rape drugs were mentioned last week but I haven’t heard anything lately.
2) Another person being arrested this morning
3) Natalie having a jealous boyfriend who may have gotten into a fight with Jorie earlier in the week
4) A picture on the internet of one of the chaperones drunk and chugging beer out of a funnel
Just curious if any of this is actually true or just rumor.
Can we do a rollcall to find out where everyone is from? I know all the attention is due to the prominence of the Mountain Brook community and Alabama’s powerful republican congressional delegation, but so many individuals seem to be taking a personal interest in this story.
K…Eastern NM. I am thinking his first class is “Pimping 101″ LOL
googler, that would be sick if they did it.
I’ve received an e-mail about Natalee, but send me yours anyway, wakmiawor@gmail.com
goggler… that could be a possibility…
wakmiawor@hotmail.com
SA-who is your cousin?
Dragonfly………….Don’t let those little girls on that computer…………they’re probably gonna go online and look for boys whose parents are “whoring” out their sons…….
Fox has reported that the blood is and dna is back!
good theory, googler – they used it to get past the lawyers of the 3 perps
You were “up on the hill” Nate? How did you like it or not like it?
OMG – in Portales? 3 of my friends went there! Years ago. Let me ask them who the best professor is, for the “Pimps and Ho’s 101″ classes are.
From the ‘left’ coast but grew up in the deep south.
1) nothing said in this case
2) not to do with this case
3) a friend of hers got in a fight. boyfriend?
4) haven’t seen it
The aruban official have not said if it is NH’s blood yet
This is probably a silly question…but where are you reding these reports…online…tv?
whats the whole email thing about? new news?
I’m from Mtn Brook. We all believe it was GHB date rape kind of stuff. Natalee doesn’t have a boyfriend.
Hey J.C. oh i loved it there…I’m considering going back sometime in the future to work on a Master’s! Go Tops!
Boy, the blood test came back pretty quick
SA-I’m a classmate of Natalee’s…can you tell me who your cousin is? My email is mbhs05@yahoo.com if you don’t want to post it here.
SA = I’ve heard a rumor that some of natalee’s friends got into a scuffle with joren and some of his friends but nothing specific and nothing confirmed.
The Aruban officials are also morons. Wait till the people that tested the blood leak the info to reporters. The reporters will figure this one out before the “police”.
OOPS! I AM edjamucated. I should have said “let me ask them who the best professors are for the “pimps and ho’s 101″ classes. I really do have a degree. I swear! But it isn’t in whoring. Psychology probably runs a close second, though. LOL!
i have to say..after seeing and hearing the parents and what theyve been exosed to..the PMs words pale and seem like hes going through motions….maybe its teh language barrier too…as his choice of wording may be what throws me off…..
I don’t want to put names on the internet, sorry, and I haven’t talked to him or anything, my mom talked to his aunt. Like I said, I am in the dark like everyone else. Are you in B’ham?
what are the results
Fox reported it directly after geraldo here in Los angeles feed
Hey GPTMB…can you email me? mbhs05@yahoo.com
Lola did they say anything about the blood?
Mr Prime Minister:
Just saw you on FOX News’ Giraldo…
DO YOU HAVE A CLUE?
Thank goodness that the Holland peeps on your island have control of the land . Let’s see…throw a couple of guys into prison…don’t have a reasonable habeas corpus?
What? Habeas corpus for someone not having a clue? Or a good, air tight walk through from the time they were awakened? Oh well, details. On an island paradise, we cannot be burdened by such crap. It’s a new day!
If not?
Oh well.
They’re not saying anything. Bastards.
Native, I got it as well.
probably the same one….but here goes…………………………………………………………………….
Arubagirl, YOU GOT MAIL
SA-Understandable. Yes I am.
Fox reported only that it was back and no official word on the results
Native, I was pretty sure someone was going to do that.
Suggest we all put aside all bickering and non-relevant chit-chat.. and let’s all concentrate on finding Natalee.
HELP SOLVE THE MYSTERY!
QUESTION TO ALL: Put yourself in the culprit’s shoes. (1) If you picked up the victim (and you never actually took her out to the beach — as they “said” — i.e. they never went to drop of Natalee at the Holiday Inn as they “said” [according to video sureveillance cameras]). which way would you go? (2) Back to your apartment/house? (3) SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS.. then what would you do? Stuff her in the trunk? Where would you hide the body?? [[ Those on the island will have the advantage on this question. ]]
Just post your ideas and suggestions — maybe, just maybe, we can help find Natalee!!
And if you think she’s still alive.. you may want to read about
another girl who went missing.. and her body was found months
later..
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/special_packages/dru_sjodin/archive
THE MAIN QUESTION: Where on Aruba would you hide a body??
I went to school there breifly, but it was years ago. I had to drop out for a while to take care of my mother. Good school!! I lived on college street. A lot of wild behavior!! I was a traitor since most of my family and friends went to Murray.
HooverJohn…………..I swear I’m not going to ChuckECheese to look for “errant” girls or to eat that “garbage”…………….I’m not from Oklahoma or anything…….lol !
K…yes, that’s it…in Portales. He is very excited about going!
They better let the family know first or they are criminals in my eyes
well thank the gods this is something that the FBI deals with this.
All..
Hello from Atlanta
Please forget all the rehtoric and strange information from all the different sources. Please mediatate on the following verse: Phillipains 4:3 I can do all thnigs through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. Please let this be a prayer of strength to the Family of NH and a prayer of strength to all following this story.
I am from Birmingham, but have lived abroad and in different cities for many years. I’m old!! However when I read these stories of missing people..regardless of race and regardless gender or age..my heart weeps. weeps for the families and for the those who loves the missing.. God knows my prayers are with you all…
Please all..have kind heart and pray for God’s will to be done…that something positive will come from this this.
Anyone who wishes to pray with me or condemn me can e-mail me at atlmetroguy @yahoo.com
Peace to all
Lot of stories about people turning up missing in Aruba. Amy Bradlee and others….
Seems Aruba has some problems over there that go beyond an incompetent police department.
GPTMB: you obviously know Natalee, or at least know of her. I’ve wondered all along if she was drugged.
Not that most 18 year olds don’t party, but…straight A student on a full academic scholarship to a state school? She was no dummy, which is why I’ve been wondering if she was drugged. Whatever the case, I’m terribly sad for her family and friends, and still praying for a miracle.
arubagirl – native — what’s the email that’s circulating ?
The fbi did the blood tests from the car?
J.C. that’s really cool, small world…besides living in the dorms I lived on Center street for ahwile…I’ll forgive you for being a Racer since we’re not in the OVC!
thanks K
I’m in Philadelphia (ugh.) Originally from Minneapolis.
If it’s any consolation, my gma is from KY… in the sticks in the Boone Forest on the border of KY/TN..whole new meaning to the word Boondocks.
I think she grew up in Whitley City? Or near it?
Most people here are thinking she was drugged. That makes more sense than her doing that by herself…but again GPTMB can you email me at mbhs05@yahoo.com?
Email circulating saying what aruba girl?
i did
STaylor…Amy Bradley was NOT in ARUBA!!!
Arubagirl….If everything is cool it’s because of the FBI
If not, it’s because of the local police……..we’re F—d eitherway…….
It’s about Nathalie Tromp, the choller.
what’s the email saying NativeL? is a rumor?
you can see the mom is wary of being used by Geraldo and the media….must be hard..knowing who to trust…who can actually help you further your cause..seems tehy have tried to honor the justice system in aruba but now after 2 weeks feel they have failed them…and whoc an blame them..and are now speaking out to media…what else do you do when you want answers….squeaky wheel gets the oil
or at least i thought i did…
She was on a cruise and turned up missing when stopped in Aruba. They say guys took her to the same bar.
it’s too bad the FBI couldn’t get involved earlier on. They are way too inexperienced in murder/kidnapping investigations down there.
I think after this, they need to send their investigators to the US FBI academy for some training!
K…I think something went terribly wrong somewhere. I don’t know if it was wrong place/wrong time or what?? I even wondered if they shouldn’t investigate some people on the trip at one point. (maybe a jealous boyfriend or crush)
THANK YOU, native, for saying that. Kisses to you.
Hey Ya’ll Texans. I’m ya’lls neighbor two states to the north(KS) and married to a texan. Could you please quit talking about the Gallerias. We have a daughter/sister/niece/grandaughter missing and probably dead. Could we please quit comparing malls. How shallow can you go?
Agree 100% Lisabo
arubagirl FYIO
Bengal — the story I read on MSNBC about Amy Bradlee says she disappeared from her ship after it left Aruba and before it landed at Curacao — but it’s poorly written because it implies that native guys wanted to take her to Carlos ‘N Charlies on Aruba — so it’s not really clear where she disappeared. The islands are very close.
FBI eye was here within 48, if not 24 hours.
Hey Texans. I’m ya’lls neighbor two states to the north(KS) and married to a texan. Could you please quit talking about the Gallerias. We have a daughter/sister/niece/grandaughter missing and probably dead. Could we please quit comparing malls. How shallow can you go?
no S. Taylor…guys asked her mom where she was because they wanted to take her to that bar… they never actually took her there. Aruba was the last port of call for the ship that they stopped at before they disappeared. She disappeared somehwere between Aruba and Curacao with lie detector-proven information that she was seen by a Navy officer in a brothel in Curacao a few years back.
amy bradely wa son a cruise ship..missing in Curacao
Aruba girl can you send it to me?
tom@scaredmonkeys.com
forever greatful
S.Taylor…She was in Curacao..not Aruba
I’m actually glad this happened, maybe you americans will not be such assholes when you travel in the future.
A-girl disregard last post
ex mabey she loves him more
LOLOLOL>. jamaicanice!..Well put!!
CNN says that she didn’t go to C&C.
Tom, you understand ppmento right???
FWIW, I wouldn’t go to Jamaica either.
she being Natalee?
mbhs05-
I don’t know why people think she had to be drugged to do what she did!! I live in a city with lots of American teenage tourists (our drinking age is non-existent) & I see them doing that all the time!! Less than 2 weeks ago, I gave a 19yr old a ride back to her hotel at 3:30am even though she had known me all of 45 minutes!! Her friends left early to go to bed!
Mr. Prime Minister:
Please talk to the arubagirl and/or NativeLingo before your 19 by 6 mile island is “called back” to the governement of Holland or rather its palce (since you didn’t want to become an Antilles territory)…see…read your history…
Just asking…Is there this much “class crap” going on in your “country?”
…and…with all due respect….your country is 9 X 19 miles and answers to Holland since it didn’t want to be a part of the Antilles…
thanks.
IQ Test on Jamaicanice!!!!
nope,,, lol
I have learned a little. Enough this week to be polite
my friend just told me Bill O’Reilly’s people keep trying to get her to do an interview…
Being on here most of the day today (without a bit of food…how about some pizza, John?) has been very informative and has really made me consider a lot of different “theories”. But just seeing the pain and anguish of Natalee’s parents on TV has given me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Imagine how they are feeling…not only are they in a foreign country but they sit, day after day, and (as we now heard on TV) they are not being given any information. I know they said their faith is what is holding them up but her poor mom looked so frail and tired. It didn’t sound like this was being done, but maybe the Aruban government should assign a full-time official to them who periodically gives them updates? (even to say they know nothing new)
jamaicanice
disgusting that you said you are glad this happened – no matter what you think about americans. shame on you!
GHB is different than roofies (can’t spell the real name of them) and is a lot more dangerous. I know people who take it recreationally and “everyone” in that scene knows that you don’t mix it with ANY alcohol. It will kill you. Maybe he slipped it to her and didn’t know that, or know how drunk she was. I personally think it was an accident and they got scared and covered it up, but I don’t know. The date rape theory makes perfect sense and would explain the sexual details too. It makes you act completely out of character- she is too young to so that sexually liberated that a three way with strangers is no big deal.
I heard another rumor that some girl from Boston recognized Jory and claims he got violent with her when they hooked up. Any one hear that one?
has anyone heard anything from people who were on the trip who are home yet?
Why Lola?… Most Americans go to other countries and act like idiots!..He’s right…
S.Taylor,
No, she spent the first day of the cruise in Aruba…then left and was on the ship immediately prior to docking in Curacao…THEN..turned up missing.
All..
Hello from Atlanta
Please forget all the rehtoric and strange information from all the different sources. Please mediatate on the following verse: Phillipains 4:3 I can do all thnigs through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. Please let this be a prayer of strength to the Family of NH and a prayer of strength to all following this story.
I am from Birmingham, but have lived abroad and in different cities for many years. I’m old!! However when I read these stories of missing people..regardless of race and regardless gender or age..my heart weeps. weeps for the families and for the those who loves the missing.. God knows my prayers are with you all…
Please all..have kind heart and pray for God’s will to be done…that something positive will come from this this.
Anyone who wishes to pray with me or condemn me can e-mail me at atlmetroguy @yahoo.com
Peace to all
Mordred…because she wasn’t the kind of person likely to do that….
You americans are filthy buggers and the world would be better off without you
I’m sick of not having any answers. You have the freakin’ guys. they are talking. What the hell are YOU doing? Ya know? Jeez! It sounds like all of us will have this solved here in the states without ever setting foot on Aruba before the investigators do.
Freakin frustrating!!!
Too cool Nate!! I hope all goes well with you if you go back to graduate school. I think I remember Center, was it near State St. or Kentucky Ave? I lived between the KA’s and I think the Sigma Nu’s. They were definitely WILD!!! I never was a racer, my mom was a “lum” and my sister is and a lot of my friends from home.
Don’t blame…you need to come down here with us!!! We’ll cook you some good southern food!! ; )
ps mbhs – we cant give specifics of that night – the Twitty’s dont want us to
Just look at how the american media is acting down there now…how some americans are acting here!!
yeah and there are way too many Jamaicans in my American apartment building but life goes on.
This investigation seems to be going the same direction as the Aruba economy will be.
I am Italian from Rome living here in Los Angeles
Americans partying is hardly the problem that the world cares about! please!
R.E. Boston woman – -it wasn’t Joran, she just came forward and said she had gone on a date with a native while in Aruba last year and thought it was innocent fun, till he parked and ‘assaulted’ her. Not really anything to do with this case at all – just someone wanting to get in on the news.
GPTMB-Oh I know…I don’t know much anyway-I didn’t go on the trip…but I know the no specifics rule. (Rumors don’t help anything anyway even if they DIDN’T ask not to…)
Bengal, I think what’s awful is that he said “I’m glad this happened”. No one should be glad that a young girl vanishes. I don’t care what country they are from.
Tom got a crash course in ppmento. In our spare time we listen to ppmento cd’s. Tom can u forward to me too?
Tom, pop quiz tomorrow morning.
im in jamaica and i am embarassed by this poor representation by jamaicanice…
I’ve heard enough to where I feel like i went on the dang trip…
OK…just looked it up…Santa Catalina, CA is seventy-five square mile.
I was on the California coast one day looking west and I saw this island; it’s almost the size of Aruba? No?
don’tblamethevictim, I’m right there with ya.
ok, if your a classmate of hers, and apparantly you guys saw her get into the car….why would yall let her do that? all alone? with guys who she new for 48 hrs? Why didnt someone go with her?
GPTMB-I know…but as far as I’m concerened it’s all rumor…I haven’t talked to many people that went, but I don’t think that would help anyway. Everyone’s confused.
All..
Hello from Atlanta
Please forget all the rehtoric and strange information from all the different sources. Please mediatate on the following verse: Phillipains 4:3 I can do all thnigs through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. Please let this be a prayer of strength to the Family of NH and a prayer of strength to all following this story.
I am from Birmingham, but have lived abroad and in different cities for many years. I’m old!! However when I read these stories of missing people..regardless of race and regardless gender or age..my heart weeps. weeps for the families and for the those who loves the missing.. God knows my prayers are with you all…
Please all..have kind heart and pray for God’s will to be done…that something positive will come from this this.
Anyone who wishes to pray with me or condemn me can e-mail me at atlmetroguy @yahoo.com
Peace to all
19 by 6 miles. Guess so…
Atl,
I appreciate and share your sentiment but please stop posting the same thing over and over and over and over.
TELL ME…neither of us went on the trip. And I don’t know the answer to that.
i cant really go in to that… No one really realized what was goin on…
Susie…I don’t think anyone meant to be disrespectul…sorry if you took it that way. There are several people that have been on here most of the day and we are tired. Are you related to Natalee?
FYI…..our little 9X19 “country” is bigger and more worldly and metropolitan than MANY of the towns most people live in the USA…..
Please don’t insult us by implying/thinking that we are poor-dumb-underpriviledged “island people”……belief me we are not……
Our PM….that’s another story….he belongs to a unique species….
Didn’t mean to offend anybody…just needed to say it….
J.C. you had me at “food!”
They have to know. They have to. A chimp could solve this… err… a scaredmonkey…lol
But anyway… you know, it just feels like they obviously have to know much, much more than they are telling us. I’m almost positive. It wouldn’t make sense that they didn’t.
Arubagirl – how long does it take to travel from San Nicolas at the end of the island up to the lighthouse area?
i meant if tehy reported on her condition or of what she said when she left..if anything..surely she had a palshe was close with…and so before she left she said something….
# Lola Says:
June 11th, 2005 at 11:18 pm
IQ Test on Jamaicanice!!!!
OK…
Fountains????
Have they checked the bank accounts of all five suspects to see if they sold her? If she is off the island and they got paid, certainly they won’t be confessing–they didn’t kill her. No one will ever find her body because she isnt there. Undercover police officers need to become seekers of sex slaves in order to find this girl and many others who have been kidnapped.
Check the bank accounts!
K-intexas… yeah you are right about that…. I agree..
mbhs05- Please don’t let us delude ourselves! Which type of person is more likely to do that?? A sheltered 18 yr old from a wealthy background is more likely to do that than a girl from Compton!
Believe me , like I said, I see it all the time!!
Atlanta — how many times are you going to post your same prayer request? It’s really getting old.
danki pa ser asina sorto
korrà ¡ bo ta men
MORDRED-Well, that’s just the opinion we hold. I’m sticking to it.
what do you mean you didnt know what was going on? classmates confirmed they saw her get into the guys car and leave with them. does she not have friends? did no one care she was getting into a car with 3 strange men?
At 2 o’clock in the morning? 15 min / 20 minutes if you really press on it.
Seriously, I’m totally clueless here…but has sex slavery kidnapping happened in this area in the past? Just how common is it?
To be quite honest – Nat’s family wasn’t rediculously rich like i think you all are assuming… They were normal
TELL ME…Once AGAIN, I was not on the trip. And I’ve heard different versions of that. I don’t know which is correct, so I’m not going to talk about it.
Nate…lol!!
Tom???
I have no idea, nate. I don’t think it’s all that common, but have no info either way.
I honestly can’t go into it. That’s too much into the specifics of the night
Tom………..Would you kindly block any further posts by jamaicanice@aol.com ?
We just don’t need that variety of “trash” on your site. Thanks Much !
mbhs- i WASNT talking to YOU.
I was trying to say
Thank you for your kindness
Red do not be mean
seems unlikely a sex slave thing….
dontblamethevictim
You may be right. Damn with all the bad news and retractions from news stories being told people, wonder how the media is going to deal with releasing any story now.
There has got to be a contentious mood between media and govt at this point. I thought White house Press conferences were something. Neither side trusts each other at this point.
All the while Natalee’s family gets to sit and watch this charade.
Nate — Venezuela is known to be a very big area for sex slavery/human trafficking.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/
Not about your last comment….about the food comment. (sorry)
People hook up in bars and go home together all the time, in this country and all over the world. If her friends had been hanging out with him and thought he was cool, no one had any reason to stop her. They were probably going to get high on the beach. Happens all the time. Your friends should be trying to keep you from having a good time. She had every right to go and do whatever with whom ever.
Kitkatz, IF Natalee was “sold”, I’m more inclined to think that the 3 boys didn’t make any money, but more that they OWED someone money, and giving them a beautiful woman was their way of resolving the dispute.
Just my thoughts, though.
arubagirl, I’ve just read this “conspiracy” too many times…it just seems a little far fetched to me…but maybe my life is to sheltered….
arubagirl and nativelingo, at the lighthouse, is the beach area rocky or is it elevated?
Sex slavery….what a very scary thought. (seriously)
well, if they slipped something into her drink while at the bar, she STILL walked out on her own, said bye to friends, and got into the car. She had to make the decision to do that. I just dont know what she was thinking getting in the car with them- thats just asking for trouble. I wouldnt ever get in a car with 3 men i dont know at 1am.
be right back………
People- These storys about people being sold into slavery in South America or the Carribean are an urban myth!!
1. There are enough girls who are willing to join the sex trade just for money.
2. Its near impossible to prevent a captive from contacting authorities in this the information age. You might keep them for a month but it would be too complicated to make any economic sense.
Hey J.C. I know! it’s all good!
K…I was thinking the same thing. Like maybe to pay off gambling/drug debts?
Mordred — they are not a myth.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/
Although I agree it’s highly unlikely this is what happened to Natalee.
SA – Natalee is an honor student full scholorship awarded to her and she doesn’t ‘hook up’. I’m wondering why her friends didn’t try to stop her. and word from her friends that were there? jsut curious- not blaming
USA, watch your back, Usama is coming back!
WHOA, Tell Me…
A date rape drug makes one COMPLETELY unaware of their actions, which is why it is used. If they slipped something in her drink, and she left with them, that wouldn’t be considered going willingly.
Isn’t that date rape drug a tranquilizer? You totally pass out after a certain amount of time after consumption.
Nate You will have to ask that quwstion about sex slavary to Bill O’Reilly……
We can’t talk about the specifics of that night.
19 X 6…ARuba Girl
Just saying that in such a compact place, there’s such a “clamp down control”….but then I realized….
It’s anywhere…I’m just amazed that/mostly appalled that they two guys who were originally taken into “custody” are STIILL in jail/custody.
ArubaGirl…you’re not “watched” from your government…or they don’t think your correspondence is detrimental to the gov’t….
comments further, later
Hey Jam….piss off. Maybe Osama will make a u-turn and come to your house instead.
yay for JC
Yes, JC…and there have been incidences of people dying after being given the drug. (not too far fetched if a 5’4″ 110 lb girl was given too high a dosage)
GPTMB were you in Aruba on this trip?
you see it in the mothers face and body language…shes been patient long ago..played by the rules….and seems the local justice dept is a bit incompetent…so now speaking out..i would do same…its obvious she needs to turn up the heat on the stove..so to speak….light a fire under the PMs behind!
No one commented..do u think that the PMs lack of full grasp of English is what comes across as being misworded? or confusing?
Maybe, but you usually dont leave blood in a car when you take too much of a tranquilizer…
Biggy…do you have his phone number? I could give him a holler
we are not asking you to talk about the specifics of the night. we are discussing it on our own. why are you here if you cant “discuss” anything?
No. A friend of many who did — the only reason i wasn’t there is b/c i was a junior in ’04 ’05
i readin what other people have to say and when someone says something that is slanderous or not true i try my best to defend our community and my friends
Yay for GPTMB
GPTMB – Can you share what you know that may not be reported in the media? Natalee’s condition at C&C? The fight with Joran? Etc.? If it’s a rumor, just say, “This is a rumor” – we’d all love to get some info here..
Good for you GPTMB!
There is no way she was given this drug at the bar and walked out and got into a car. She very well could have been given this drug after she left the bar and they could have done whatever they wanted then. Poor girl.
how do you know whats true and not true if you werent there? you know, your friends could be lying to defend themselves. i am not blaming the friends, BUT they should have not let her get into that car alone.
Im sure her friends really need to hear that Tell Me!…
Finally figured out something that is bothering me about tonight’s info….
If blood is being checked out for DNA and parents didn’t know about blood that means they didn’t take parents’ blood to check DNA !! Right????
Everyone starts hooking up eventually in this day in age- that is just how our generation does things. Even honor students.
One theory is that she left intending to go hook up with Jorie on her last night there, and then he passed her off to his friends and she died in the struggle. Didn’t someone say that the two guys picked them up at the club but had not been hanging out with them previously? Maybe he sprung it on her.
Is it bad to ask about these rumors? I just don’t know which sources to trust, and you all seem to have solid documentation.
I don’t believe it was an all out fight with Dutch-Boy; from what I’ve heard it was more a verbal argument and idle threats that resulted in him [Ducth-Boy] leaving.
Good point TAC!!!
mbhs05-
Sorry if I seem to be trying to convert you but I think I have a duty to ‘inform’ your opinion! I manage a University pub & I think I have a good vantage point to observe the attitudes & behaviour of very many young adults. I can’t believe how much of a disconnect there is between what parents think their kids are like & which kids are like what? Natalee did what in my opinion 80% of girls would do given a whole bunch of factors.
its funny how alot of people get so judgemental….all while being under teh false guise of being caring…..strikes me as a tad hypocritical..the blame game goes on….
True, but I heard on Fox that the mother consented to a blood test. True or false??
I’m a victim of having been slipped GBH at a party. The next day, everyone filled me in on my behavior. I told off a woman who was visiting with a married man. I took a swing at someone. All I remember is waking up the next day.
But I was on my feet and moving around and having conversation at that party. I didn’t pass out immediately.
Tom
Mean???
Me?
bo ta e homber. kier no pensando di ser men. fiernu, ami ta muchu kansà ¡ na ta men na esaki punto.
korrà ¡
GPTMB- did anyone SEE her leave for sure? was she drinking?
TAC…that part I am not sure about. I do know the parents said the first they heard about blood in the car was from Geraldo. Made me think they had NOT given blood samples but maybe they did in a previous day for some reason?
naw — i dont like the rumors either — thats one of the reasons im typing right now — to stop the rumor mill — we all still have faith that she’s alive.
Now I think it all in bad info!!! Dr Baden should have figured that out!
I love Aruba and it really is not any more dangerous then anywhere else…..the police are just not used to this type of thing happening. However, I believe that due to the fact that Van Der Sleaze is from an influentual family that they would have protected him and let the 2 poor gaurds take the fall. Now even as bad as that is….we do it here too all the time. Cover ups and “1 hand washes the other” happens everywhere unfortunantely. I say this because of how fast they let the 3 go and locked up the gaurds….but then our FBI, Alabama Senator, and the media got all over it, I think they realized that they couldn’t cover this one up. That is why they arrested the 3 punks 12 days later. Now they have the problem of possibly a ton of evidence cleaned up and removed.
you got it lisa…. Im sure her friends feel horrible…
Thanks for the info Dallas. I was told that it was like you were instantly knocked out. Crazy drug!!
Red & Tom…you two write(speak) ppmnto just like Master Joda (Starwars) speaks english…..LOL
good
Or…Tarzan
GPTMB -_ Do you know what the fight was about? What were they arguing about?? Geraldo reported that Joran is a ‘bully’ at school, FYI…
One of Natalee’s friends said she got into the car and waved goodbye and smiled. While that’s not saying much, she wasn’t falling down drunk or carried away… she went on her own power and willingly, if you want to read something into that quote…
GPTMB – can you elaborate on this, a bit more: “I don’t believe it was an all out fight with Dutch-Boy; from what I’ve heard it was more a verbal argument and idle threats that resulted in him [Ducth-Boy] leaving.”
Leaving what? Where?
yeah, no one really appreciates having the blame pointed at them – i work with one of the roomates of Natalee and she cries almost everyday because some news outlet puts her and her friends at blame
The casino
Bengalbaby………….You’re such a little “cheerleader”…lol !
*putting Pom-Poms down to type*…Thank you John
No I know about that quote. I know the person who said it. I dont know what the argument was about probably something insignificant.
Hold on
no one is to blame except whoever did this to her. im sure all the news means is that some things could have been prevented so that this didnt happen
NEWS ON THE RADIO……
GTMB-Tell her everyone knows it isn’t her fault!!!!! I feel so, so bad for them…I don’t know which one you’re talking about, but regardless it isn’t their fault.
Rick, I was walking around at the party, talking to people, maybe even smiling. All while under the influence of GBH.
I was still walking around on my own power for quite some time.
tmint – hindsight is 20/20.
Arubagirl – thanks for the email! Pretty funny in a twisted kinda way
What’s the news Native & Aruba???
Nothing official yet….
Alot of movement by the press….
They are everywhere…..
One sec.
what dou mean by that? lol
So a whole buncha nothing. Top does so well and then they just screw it up.
NativeLingo
Probobly worse. You should see when I mix Frech & Spanish togther, what a mess. Know enough these days to understand or get jist of whats being said. Thank God when I worked in Aruba you all spoke English.
I wont be winning any ppmnto spelling bees in the near future, lol
Basically that’s it…..
It is no one’s fault. Natalee did nothing wrong, her friends did nothing wrong, the chaperones did nothing wrong. The boys may not have done anything wrong- we don’t know.
And it sucks for Aruba. This could have happened anywhere. The beach town where I am now had a string of date rape drug incidents a few years ago, but they caught the guy. And everyone here walks instead of driving home. And people hook up. And drink lots of alcohol.
what’s the link for TOP95 again?
you’re talking about prevention – we never thought in a million years this would ever happen – it was unfathomable to us
I can’t imagine how the parents are holding up for this long without more information.
Dallas Also – I guess the smiling/waving doesnt mean she wasnt slipped something. Then again, if she were heavily tranquilized, they wouldnt have needed to bloody her in their car – just dragged her out gently..
My guess remains unchanged still – Natalee refused the quick-tempered bully’s advances, he became aggressive as his history suggests he is prone to do, and the three eventually hid the body…
well i have a teen Natalees age..and i also recall being that age..its very impressionable stage…and for teh students who experienced this tragedy..they will be reeling and will be impacted deeply….their peers arewho they have some of the deepest connections with..so this must be devastating….are they doing counselling? The last thing people posting here need to do is make these students hurt more…or lay guilt and blame….if u are as compassionate and do gooding as you preach..show some support and love….
TPTMB, that breaks my heart. Because, honestly, I think so many people seem to forget that these were 18 year olds. I’m 30, and have had a long time to learn how to do things responsibly. When I was 18, if we were all drunk, and a friend reassured us that the guy she was interested in was “OK”, who knows what we would have done.
At my age, since I’ve lived and learned a little, I’d never let a friend leave with a strange guy. But still, no one should blame themselves for what happened. It’s the people that took Natalee that deserve the blame. I’m really sad for her friends. What an awful time they must be having. I think people seem to forget that THEY are grieving over this too.
Red, you worked in aua?? really?
yeah…well 18 yr olds have that thinking where nothing will happen to them. but it DOES. and it could happen ANYWHERE
SA, if I had been gang raped the night I was slipped the GBH, I wouldn’t have been able to even put consciously put up a fight, probably. But for an hour, I roamed that party, insulted people, and acted out of character. I have no recollection of any of my actions – people filled me in the next day.
Ok…need a break…..be back later…………
I do too. We are all beside are selves with grief and guilt.
http://www.top95fm.aw
I’m with Native
GPTMB…you have mail.
was she a popular girl? was she really a good girl like her parents think?
Thanks arubagirl
GPTMB – there was a classmate of yours posting here before saying she knew someone at the FBU in Birmingham that shared some info with her. Do you know anything about that? Is she legit?
yes. She really was. It’s not just them not knowin what their daughter was up to. Everyone loves Natalee
jamaicanice…… been to Jamaica and it was the filthiest place I have EVER been. would never go back! You are a horrible person to say such nast things in such a tragic time. If you are a reflection of the people in Jamaica then I am sure my first impression was correct. No one deserves something like this to happen to them or someone they know.
P.S.- the rest of the world would be helpless without us considering we fund the whole world and probably support your country with tourism, lord knows yall can’t support yourselves without US
Correction – FBI in Birmingham, not the FBU!
i’ve been gone all afternoon, thought when I got home there would be some resolution….but I see the same thing. Have I missed anything in the last 6 hrs?
Amen K!! It is extremely important to have a strong circle of friends that agree to never let anyone leave by themselves with someone they don’t know.
Hey Dallas also, did you ever find out why you were given the drug? Or by whom? That sucks. It happened to a friend of mine, too, and her experience was much like yours.
Agree with GPTMB…a VERY well liked girl, and for good reason.
do you know if she was drinking that night? or if she has ever drank before?
Bengalbaby………….btw……….where are you located ?
New York!
Ben – nothing to report apart from blood sample from car supposedly being tested in the US. Denials of confession by Joran’s lawyer, AP not retracting confession story – Aruba gov’t seems to have shut up completely in the last day… More FBI arrived on the island at 3pm today as well. I think that’s pretty much it.
yes to both
K in Tx…………….Ronald gave it to her…………
John!….LOL… is ronald still here?
did her parents know she drank?
Oh John, you are terrible!
I’m pretty sure they did (not positive don’t quote me). They would be naive to not assume.
bamabelle….why would you also propogate hate? let the freak yak or have the mediators block this person…why condemn a whole country for one persons comments….the US does not support our country….how ridiculous…be nice and set an example
Bengalbaby……….Sorry, I wasn’t sure that you still lived there, or just FROM there.
(ordering the Aruba H-moon tickets and the travel agent asked me……lol )
GPTMB – Oh god, I’m really sorry to hear that. I guess it’s true then…
If the FBI knows, one would wonder why Natalee’s parents are being kept in the dark – they didn’t know anyting on Geraldo’s program as of an hour or so ago.
My condolences, GPTMB. Stay strong. I think it might be helpful for you to not visit these boards – I can’t see them doing anything other than upset you further. There will be people blaming Natalee, her parents, the chaperones, her friends, – and after what you’ve gone through, i dont think that’s going to be a good thing to subject yourself to. Just my opinion, hope you don’t mind my sharing it..
Once again, really sorry to hear that FBI story is actually true…
Parents know more than kids tend to think they do…
on 20/20 her mom said she would never party or drink
Yeah, all the “ripped from the headlines” crime dramas portray women who are drugged as being really sexually aggressive. They act wild and crazy and actually do the seducing, with the guys thinking they just got lucky. You can’t even blame him for rape (Unless he’s the one who drugged her), because the woman looked like an active and willing participant. I am not saying that happens every time, just some times.
I am sorry that happened to you.
and Jamaica is not a filthy country..quite the opposite! not sure what shore you visited!
K in Tx………….Nah……..just on days ending in “Y”
I am sure her parents knew some drinking would be involved since she was of legal age in Aruba.
the thing is — she rarely did it — she wasn’t a common sight on the MB party scene — and she would never get like plastered or anything — it was one or two beers or something mild like that
Yeah John..still in NY… leaving in about a year….
In a way I feel sorry for her friends. They weren’t supposed to babysit her that night. I’m sure they did care about her and if she was drinking, you can’t tell a drunk person what to do. they don’t listen. My mother is an alcoholic, so I know all too well! I’m sure they are overwhelmed with guilt and they shouldn’t be. They are just young kids themselves and had a hard enough time being responsible for themselves, I’m sure.
I remember being 18 and the stupid crap I did. I’m 28 now and still do stupid crap!
K in TX, never found out, because there were naturally some at the party that I didn’t know. Kind of a large party, and a mix of NHL athletes and bikers. So someone thought it would be funny, I guess, to slip GBH to the Dallas girl there. I know it was GBH because there are specific after-effects. But I know I walked around at that party a good hour. I was told the next day, that I tried to drink out of the Stanley Cup several times (which is way too heavy to lift by yourself). I thought it was so exciting to have been invited to come, but I wish I’d never gone. I hadn’t drunk that much, but I had drunk my normal party-amount of two drinks. The rest was the drug wacking me out.
geraldo gets to the bottom of the facts
they just said on news that the aruban justice minister that no one admitted to killing her, they still dont know if shes alive or dead, and they did find blood but they dont know whose it is. the search for her is no further along than it was yesterday.
jamaicanice ??? ….actually jamaicashit !!! I’m with bamabelle………that was the dirtiest most dangerous place i’ve been to. and i’m from n.y./n.j. and was in the navy at the time. i’ve been to a lot of foreign countries in europe/mid-east/north america/south america and jamaica was the worst
Rick: You would not believe how many friends of mine are probably on here right now reading this conversation — this board has been the one EVERYONE is reading — You’re probably right and I probably won’t be back on here tomorrow.
Oh don’t blame… Im older than that… and I still don’t know what I wanna be when I grow up!!LOL…
John…is your law practice in Houston too?
I can’t believe it’s only 20 minutes to get from end to end of the island.
From what I’ve read, there’s a lot of prostitution on the island, particularly in San Nicolas… and that people basically go there to get drunk and have sex with strangers and that’s it.
Any truth to the stuff Arubagirl?
So Dallas, was the party IN Dallas? I’m assuming it was years ago, when the Stars won the Stanley Cup?
That sucks, nonetheless.
GPTMB ?
yes?
Me neither Bengal! I hope I figure it out before my 1-year-old figures out what SHE wants to be! LOL She’s gonna beat me to it!
I remember when they were the Minnesota Northstars.
I miss Minneapolis!!!
Im not even gonna tell you how old my kids are!!!
Big high school drinking/drug scene at MBHS. She was a Dorian, right? The most popular girls in school, a step above even the cheerleaders. Doesn’t mean she was a part of the party scene but it is huge. They have high school sororities and fraternaties there- was she in one? The debutante scene there is also liquor drenched, and most parents look the other way when their teenagers get drunk at the country club soirees. Her parents probably knew she drank and didn’t mind. They send them out of the country so they can do it without risking an embarassing arrested ala Jenna Bush.
GPTMB..im with rick..i think you would be better off not visiting a board like this…and instead sharing with your own circle of pals and loved ones…
I enjoy some of the debate and i am genuinely concerned and feel for Natalee and her famly…so many here more caught up with their own agendas….and anger..its disheartening and counterproductive..i dont think ill be back either!! But want to say..how sorry iam this tragedy happened.
I had a supercute coworker who was younger than me once tell me “You are only as old as you feel. ”
Kerin…………Yes……………Sorry………..(woofing a pizza)……….lol
GPTMB, I’m sorry. I hate that all of you are reading some hurtful things, and I really hope I haven’t contributed.
I’ve mentioned before, I have two children, and this is a parent’s worst nightmare. Natalee, her family, and her friends continue to be in my prayers. I would love nothing more than for that beautiful girl to be found alive.
I offer hugs to you and all of her friends right now.
no. We dropped the Greek thing about 6 years ago. We dont really have a high school social class system at MB we’re all really close. We can’t get booze at the CCs. They wont let you drink out there. If people are goin to be drunk at a ball they do it before hand — but this isnt limited to MB — this is most high schools in the country
The Dorians don’t run the school…it isn’t classed so clearly. And we don’t have sororities and fraternities anymore. And I don’t know about any debutant stuff because I’m not in it. I’m out. Ya’ll keep praying for all of her friends, her family, and most importantly her.
thanks ya’ll. Tonight hasnt spawned any arguments that made me upset. But I dont plan on coming back any time soon… or at least posting
Lisa, maybe it will help GPTMB and other students who know Natalee to know from me that if she had been slipped GBH, they could have mistaken her waving a friendly goodbye for being date-rape-drugged. Don’t know facts right now, but I can attest to the fact that GBH just throws all your inhibitions out the door but leaves you quite conscious, at least for awhile.
I don’t think our prostitution level will give Los Angeles a run for its money or anything.
THe prostitution that there is is concentrated in San Nicolaas. And there are many bars in San Nicolaas. However, there are just as many churches in San Nicolaas.
I have to disagree about Jamaica. I just returned from there and it was beautiful place. The living conditions of a lot of the natives was a big concern to me and I was saddened to see how they live. But the scenery was gorgeous and we met a lot of very nice locals. Yes, having people approach us wanting to sell ganga and mushrooms was kind of frustrating but nothing worse than having guys on the streets of NY beg for money. At least in Jamaica when we said “no thanks” they moved on.
We can all learn something from this sad situation:
(1) Parents, don’t send you kind to do something in another country (drink) that they can’t do here.
(2) Parents, you can say no to your child; they will still love you
(3) Money isn’t everything and can’t bring someone back (right Daddy Holloway?)
(4) Talk to your children about sex; what they should avoid — don’t assume an 18 year old knows everything.
(5) Don’t fund your kids participation on a booze cruise
(6) Don’t join your child in another country after there is a problem; go with them to begin with.
(7) Tell your kids you love them.
Deputy
Bengalbaby…………..KidSSSS ???? (calling travel agent to hold-off on those Aruba honeymoon tickets) You never mentioned kids….lol..?
GBTMB
I just got back and was reading through the post. You guys did nothing wrong. It is a bad deal, and my heart is breaking for all of you. But it was a one in a million thing , and do not beat yourself up. Feel the grief, but do not blame yourself.
Tom
lol john
Ohhh John…. Can’t they come too!!?…LOL…..
Those were some crazy parties when I was coming along. I guess times change, and its probably for the best. We were out of control with the drinking, but not that sexually promiscuous- it is the south, after all, and we had to have good reputations to rush the best sororities in college.
Yep. Can’t be too much of a slut and get into Chi O or KD.
I’m going to sign off as well.
For those of you reading this who may be wondering about the Birmingham FBI reference I asked GPTMB about, and which he or she confirmed, it’s this:
“I live in Birmingham and graudated from the same high school that Natalee did, but many years earlier. I have a good friend who is an FBI agent in town. He says the info they have says the two security guards had nothing to do with this but that the 3 boys are the culprits. He said they have known she was dead for days… ”
Good night everyone, thanks for the chat… Condolences to the family and friends.
I never said that
Has a body been found?
Holy Guacamole, Bengalbaby !
I havent even graduated yet…
what do you know?
???? Did I misunderstand you? I asked if you knew the poster here who talked about the FBI in Birmingham and if he/she was legit, and you wrote “Yes and yes” – or were you replying to another message???
they just said on fox that they no longer think its a homicide…and everything will be sorted out within 24 hrs….
another message haha
Yikes…Im impressed as hell that you could even spell….guacamole… I sure couldn’t till I just saw it!!…
the yeses were to Natalee’s drinking habits
totally true about not getting into good sororities if you’re a slut! I can still distinctly remember all of the information I had to fill out, when I applied to rush!
And once I was in a sorority, we weren’t allowed to drink from ANYTHING but a cup, or be caught smoking in public, etc. That southern belle thing was a big deal.
i had a threesome in aruba
Natalee was so, so immature. She acteded in a reckless fashion and look what it got her. Mom & Dad should have not let her go to Aruba. I agree with the Deputy!
BT
That post was made on this board, I think it was page 1113 or 1114 or 1115 (change the url in your browser and search on FBI)…
I haven’t heard that any body was found, but Aruba Girl and others said there were no searches today (at least none that anyone saw or commented on)…
Sororities seem kinda strict
i agree also, BT
It sounds like maybe Been Thinking might be deputy under a different name.
Sororities are stupid. I was in one. I can admit that they are stupid.
What kind of 1st names does Natalee’s step dad and relatives have. Is “Jug” a real name?
BT
Fox no longer thinks it’s a homicide….
Does that mean accidental death?
Would explain the delay as Joran’s dad negotiates terms of his confession.
Not a homicide? How did she accidentally get blood in Joran’s family car and go missing? Were there any other details?
what are they saying on fox? any links?
after rush they are a lot less strict. The girls (and guys for that matter) want to make sure you’re the right kind of person they want in their Greek family.
I am not the Deputy.
Nite all
Yeah, Been Thinking. It was ALL her fault. Right.
Nice try.
Ahhh
maybe its not her blood. they dont think its a homicide
We are going to move you over for the last time in 5 minutes
T
That was harsh…
Can someone tell me what all the issues are with the Deputy? I don’t think he/she is that off the mark — harsh in delivery, but not off the mark.
BT
So how does anyone get blood in your trunk?
Do we know for sure blood was found in the trunk?
How about the back seat – where Joran was raping her?
how much blood was it? and was it in the trunk?
Bengalbaby……….you’re just so sweet………..lol
Did they make Natalee go to Aruba?
Did Natalee act reckless?
Did Natalee hang with various bad people?
Did her parents funding a drink and sex excursion?
You tell me whose fault it is?
BT
Also, brothers are sticking to their claims of innocence per their attorney…but Joran’s attorney only claimed that he had not confessed to anything.
I wonder if they’re going to do a Robert Chambers “aggressive sex got out of hand” defense…
maybe she wanted to have sex and it wasnt rape. maybe she bled from it
We love our nicknames down south. Jug is not that out there. I have family named Boo, Teensy, etc. Last names as first names are big too.
Hmmmm wasn’t too long ago you had a different tune there John!!… something about a butt chewing!!..LOL…. *kidding*
FOX
VDS’s lawyer and Editor of Aruba Today say the problem is… they have no evidence…????
Associate Press reporters still saying that a Deputy stated to them Friday night that one of the 3 confessed and was leading agents to the scene… Here we go again??
I can assure you that the radio is not airing anything remotely to the case. In fact, I’m not sure what the hell they’re playing just now.
The comments are moving over to this post
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1119#comments
TOM –
Can you see the real email addresses of “BT” and “Deputy” etc..? I bet the same person is behind these posts.
“Jug” is a real name? A birth name? Some mother named their child “Jug”?
Is that possible?
Frank
Been thinking…
Were you there? How do you know she did anything willingly?