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Just when Aruba thought it only had a negative image in America, now we learn that the Netherlands opinion of Aruba is negative as well. Although the image may be for different reasons, its negative none the less. Aruba’s answer to the problem is that they “must give the Dutch community the correct information”. Aruba, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than any spin.
The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative
The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money.
State Council: Aruba’s image negative (Amigoe: June 14, 2008)
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money. MPA indicated in a reaction that the government must actively start informing the Dutch community about the situation. “The situation in Aruba is still being confused with the Neth.Antilles. To change this, we must give the Dutch community the correct information. It is in our interest to make sure that we maintain a positive relationship with the Netherlands. Besides, our children go to the Netherlands to go to college and a bad relationship will only cause problems for them”
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LoL
aruba: expect the worse
What else is there ???
Until these idiot Aruban politicos learn that you can’t cure everything with advertising, there is no hope for them.
This happens frequently when an asset,
or in Aruba’s case a ‘perceived asset’,
becomes a huge liability.
Hey Aruba… the ocean
is very BIG, isn’t it?
http://www.awe24.com/
pictures of body washing ashore. Damage to the side of the head………..
The image of Aruba does not exist in The Netherlands. The article itself isn’t misleading but it can’t be fully understood by an outsider.
In The Netherlands people have no idea that Aruba has
A) an autonomous status,
B) The lowest crime/suspect rate of the DutchCaribbean immigrants.. You can check that one with the central bureau of statistics.
The problem is that people in The Netherlands as well as their politicians refer to all Dutch Caribbean people with an accent as ”Antillean” regardless of which island they come from. Open your mouth and all the Dutch think you’re from Curacao. Half of them will also see you as 2nd class citizens of the Dutch Kingdom.
Aruba has been trying to separate themselves from the word ”Antillean” for the past 50 years but the ignorant Dutch aren’t interested in being straight with the facts.
p.s. I’m an Aruban student living in The Netherlands. That article is about me.
aruba is nothing but a hellhole island attempting to portray itself as some type of glamorous getaway paradise…
Pffffffffttttttttttttttttttttttttt
keep pumping your advertising dollars in that direction jerks
around here we call it “throwing good money after bad”
aruba and the vandersloots
Evil meets Evil
they need to clean house
and get rid of all their dirty inept corrupt officials.
until they do right by natalee..
they wont prosper…
steve
the ocean holds many secrets..
that body washing up apparenty appears to be a victim of foul play, with that trauma to the head
one can only assume ..
the guy standing over the body looks like he doesnt know what to do .. and the rest of the men on the beach are acting like they are at a social event. I guess bodys washing up on the shore is nothing new to aruba.. since it is so ridden with crime. they will close the case as suicide no doubt..
More than three years later, the Dutch are catching on. At least in their case, the consequences of past colonization are catching up with them. (Naturally, not a peep is heard about human rights abuses; their concern is their money.)
What was it that Dompig said about bodies being washed up on Aruba’s shore?
Quote post #6: “The image of Aruba does not exist in The Netherlands. The article itself isn’t misleading but it can’t be fully understood by an outsider.”
Just like the Aruban legal system … we don’t “understand” that either, said Karin Janssen.
CALLING HANS —- WHERE ARE YOU ???
hello Hans ????
what are you freaking waiting for ??
HANS MOS will be forever linked to CORRUPTION of the vander-scum, the taco-scum, the dompig scum
Hans – you must be most proud of yourself
what a loser
Last week the Dutch political party PVV (Party For Freedom) announced they will send a ‘nota’ (note) to the parliament in which they ask this chamber to have a full investigation into the widespread corruption at the ‘thugs-nest’ of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. ( http://tinyurl.com/4qse9r [The Antilles... Mob within the Kingdom?] & http://tinyurl.com/3u4hwm )
Head of the PVV G. Wilders in the comment on this ‘nota’: “… Pakken vol berichten over corruptie heeft hij tot zich genomen en gebundeld. Brinkman heeft daarmee belangrijk onderzoek gedaan en toch slechts een topje van de ijsberg naar boven gehaald…”
(Transl.: “Stacks full of messages about corruption he [party member Brinkman] has read and brought together. Alone by doing this Brinkman has conducted an important investigation and still he just has uncovered the tip of the iceberg…”)
Hey EURobert!
Long time, no see pal.
Thank you for the report
from the Nederlands.
Much appreciated.
My tribute to Leona Helmsley.
http://tinyurl.com/55pc6n
Aruban officials……. Find Natalee and give her back to her parents. Then, punish the ones responsible for hurting her and that just MIGHT help to improve your image!!
EUrobert,
Like we dont already know that the islands are corrupted….Pim Fortuyn did the same…
Op zn plat nederlands gezegd : Wilders is een spuit elf..
My dear Esther Esther Esther… IMHO
I think to EURobert’s greater point
of posting that information,
is that some people who still retain
their hearts, souls, and brains are
gonna start kickin’ some butt
and actually do something about the problem!
As opposed to sittin’ on their azzez
and gettin’ punched in the head repeatedly,
lookin’ like Leon Spinks.
Sorry, I don’t buy it,this is th only truth in the article.
“The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money.”
The motherland doesn’t give a crud about corruption unless it has a bearing on the money… thats all.
More Lip Service Please….your lips are moving but nothing is being spoken.
19.
PVV is a populist party who’s agenda only consists of hammering foreigners. Basically the only party the local fascist organizations can tell their constituencies to vote for.
Esther,
Well anyone can think what he or she wants about the PVV (I’m not a PVV-voter either btw) but I agree with them that these ‘tabu’-topics that were far to long ignored by the established political parties, finally end up on the political agenda. Better than just injecting endless amounts of money in these ilands without the Antillian governments spending it right and accounting for it.
(Hi Carpe; how’ry’doin’? I don’t comment a lot lately but I almost every day check SM quickly! Greetz!)
Natalee lives,see how she is slowly killing Aruba? Make no mistake about it , Aruba feels her effect. Now will someone PLEASE take out JORON!!Aruba’s hurting while the killer parties. Strong words,I know,however, v-justice seems to be the only justice left. One way or another, let justice prevail.
Crioyo on June 17th, 2008 1:52 pm
Very suggestive to put it like that: “hammering foreigners” and “fascist organizations” etc. Not right: their main topic is “hammering the growing influx and influence of ‘orthodox’ and fundamentalistic islamists and islam in the Western world”. They preach a sort of principle liberalism! I haven’t seen prove of them propagating racism nor nationalism nor fascism! And as long as they don’t do that I think they are within the limits of decency.
Joran and the Kalpoes and what they have done to the Aruban tourism…I’m surprised that any of them even walk around…it’s nightmare for everyone, not just Aruba…..
Aruba has been draining the Netherlands for years…dump ‘em and get it over with…..their are stuck in the middle of nowhere…except for South America….with the price of gas, the flights aren’t coming and neither are the cruise ships…the American’s have kept this island alive and active for many years….but times have changed….we don’t want to come anymore….!!!!
The Netherlands pays for schooling in college for the pimps of Aruba…..forget it…!!!! They are nothing but trouble….!!!! Why support those that cause problems….?????
I think the girls in Aruba are just as bad as the boys…..most of them don’t hardly wear any clothes….probably selling their bodies to Freddy for the porno filming….
I read an article once that said there was a tape labeled Natalee on a porno tape in the Netherlands…could that of been our Natalee with Freddy’s involvement….the tape disappeared!!!!
good question brie
hmmm possible
those idiots would do anything for me…
the netherlands pay for the schooling but as you see its not taken seriously they would rather pimp and drug… look at joran he has nothing going for him … no job no car no money no education and the deepak brothers are not doing that well either
duh whats so glorious about working in an internet cafe….
they produce idiots in those countries
for money not me lmao
geez i need to read what i type
yeah the sloots realy should be proud of their son… running around naked flashing that tiny little spectacle … the word penis is bigger than the size of his!!!
http://tinyurl.com/5ulk9n
http://tinyurl.com/5o82do
-justice for nat.
Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis….Best friend and neighbor of JVDS and reported guest at the VDS house the night of Natalee’s disappearance…arrested under the suspicion of intentionally distributing images of an unconsciousness girl younger than 16….yea right….and the police lie too!!!!!
joran did not take a magic carpet home.
even though that is probably the latest version of his demented story.
<- waiting for the day when joran ticks off the wrong person and its all over for killerface joran and for his drugging and raping. make no bones about it, i know people that if he did something to their daughter and he kept telling lie after lie. they would be in aruba and have his face against the wall and tell him he has 10 seconds left before some horrible things start happening so he better get the VERSION correct and the more i think about it the more likely that will be the only way to get an answer.
barbaric ?? nawwwwww
barbaric is what aruba and the sloots have done.
OUT
Dear Anita is a FAT EVIL UGLY PIG,
If he did it to a thug family, they
would have knocked out his front
Chiclets, a couple of years back.
They would’ve made him two purdy earings
out of them, stuck a damn fruit basket
on his head, and made him entertain in
a Venezeulan nightclub doin’ the ha cha cha,
ma-rangie, and the boomps chicky boomps!
Every day that goes by, I marvel at the
decency & control the Holloways possess.
There are many people in this world today that
would have smoked the little son of a b.
for all the pain and torment he has caused.
me too Carpe
I think there is a lot of schizophrenia in that family….the prison warden in Aruba said that Joran had a bad temper and was destructive at a very young early age….but apparently no one addressed the issue…I guess it all hits too close to home….just ignore it….!!!!!
I would not want my child anywhere near Anita Van der Sloot……a classroom teacher….you have got to kiddin’ me…one who believes her son is a delicious sporter and gives her big fat kisses…..how gross!!!
Now she thinks she is Rembrandt….!!!!
Paulus hasn’t figured out to zip his pants….
#6 Crioyo
The tourist who become crime victims in Aruba keep telling that the police ,
1. refuse to take a report of the crime
2.refuse to investigate.
3. Presssure the victim not to press charges.
4. Investigate the victim as if they committed the crime.( example, Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty).
This way the record shows a LOW CRIME RATE.
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Dear Anita is a FAT EVIL UGLY PIG~
Excuse me for taking so long to comment, but I did want to compliment you on your lovely choice of a SN here on SM. =)~
Anita Van Der Sloot is one of the poorest excuses for a Mother I have seen in my entire lifetime. Ugh. Despise that woman….how do you spell
I G N O R A N T ??
LOL =)~
*** BOYCOTT ARUBA until they DELIVER …..
Justice 4 Natalee
Is this news ? that is allready since decades in the Netherlands, the negative attitude against the Dutch Antilles and its inhabitants.
EURobert (#14) … Good to hear from you again.
Thanks for posting that info, and please keep us updated on what (if anything) comes of this probe.
Calling for an investigation is the oldest political trick in the book … it doesn’t commit anyone to anything. But maybe this will prove to be more than the usual empty political bombast.
Meanwhile, folks, remember … the protest at the Aruba Tourism Authority travel event in Washington, DC, is nigh upon us!
Want to do something public, something real, something effective for Natalee? Contact JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com and let it be known that you are going to stand up for Natalee, and/or will support those who do.
Meanwhile, is there any news about the lady (I believe that she was American, but haven’t seen that stated as fact anywhere) who was assaulted on Aruba recently? Can’t you be bothered, media, or do we need another cutesy election story?
(Just saw one on the relative popularity of Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama … as if it mattered, since neither of them is a candidate for public office! This nonsense makes me see red….)
And whatever happened of Jossy Mansur’s pledge to raise money for the Persistence so that it could complete its mission? There was talk that it would be heading back to Aruba in the summer; well, we’re in summer now.
brie
perhaps anita teachs school …. so that she can groom these young girls for her son.. she is sick freako …you know… she thinks she is picaso geez a kindergardner can do better than that.fingerpainting.
the parents of children in school who have her for a teacher need to be more aware of the risk with her as a teacher…
her husband and son are killers and rapist.. I SURELY WOULDNT WANT MY CHILD NEAR ANY OF THEIR INFLUENCE..
joran and pauulus are no role models… keep your kids away from them
whomever posted that joran!!! will get his !!!
my answer is
yes …
he will and so will the rest involved !!the KALPOOPS!! trying to sue Dr. Phil
is that not bazaar they were 100% involved…
geez whats wrong with those people all money hungry savages..
including and especialy
the officials of aruba
what have they to be proud of their a bunch of crooks… corrupt inept idiots… wheres the pride of being officials in public office…
karin jannsen a pig and corrupt!!! RUDE to the holloways…….. trust me she will get her due tooo…………..
I HOPE THAT AMERICAN GIRL GOES PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER…
Hi MissKatie…I am glad we could make A New Girl laugh and smile….we all need humor….Carpe is definitely the classic comedy and there are a lot of monkeys with a great sense of humor and we need to keep it going….as well as the quest to find Justice for Natalee…
As Beth said, she would like to rip the skin off his face…I’ll help her out there too, but it wouldn’t take long….I wouldn’t begin with his face…
How sad that 3 years later with everyting that we have found out abot this EVIL VILE place some still come here to defend it. If I lived there I would be trying to get out of dodge….AYFIT..You are so right!!!! They will never be rid of NATALEE…A while back, the FP had a picture of Natalee’s FACE over the ISLAND…Thats what has happened. My heart still breaks for this angel of GOD…STEVE, Please tell Dave how much we love his daughter, and how hurt w are that you all still dont have any real answers or justice. I will be going to DC along with others this weekend to tell her story once again…Im so sorry this had to happened to such a beautiful child.
Vicki….you are such a trooper….God Bless you and others for all of their support…Natalee lives on in all of our hearts….I am always with you in support, heart and soul….we will find JUSTICE……
No posters since almost 2PM…
hi brie
usualy it’s me alone at 2pm but today I got busy at work and had no time to see what was posted.
yes I am glad that we made a newgirl laugh… we all need humor to help us not get so consumed with rage at those involved in natalees disappearance.. and especialy those trolls that live in that inept island … coming here to defend aruba
like aruba would go the mile for them hell no they would throw them in the ocean or the landfill like a piece of garbage…
yes carpe is a riot he is one of a kind with his funny pictures and comments..!!!!
misskatie #48: “yes I am glad that we made a newgirl laugh… we all need humor to…”
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brie. on April 19th, 2008 5:18 pm
N~~~er at large…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
________________________
SM: Brie, I really wish you would refrain from insinuating the “N” word continuously. (klaasend)
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brie. on April 19th, 2008 7:36 pm
Klass…Ok but I only used it twice…!!!!! And it felt good!!!!
____________________
SM: Actually 9 times, I just counted (klaasend)
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misskatie on April 20th, 2008 4:49 pm
lmao brie
your so bad… you kill me laughing at times… only 9 times but it felt good lmao
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misskatie – you sure have a strange sense of humor.
since the K2 brothers are so hidiously ugly and scummy they know the only chance they would ever have to even get close to a young lady is thru a rapist/drugger like joran and paulus.
so ,they would supply the vehicle so that they could watch
joran and paulus rape young women. its the closest they would ever get because they are simpeltons with no class.
they are up to this case past their eyeballs and here they are attempting to rape the doctor phil show.
raping Natalee wasnt enough..
go to hell you rotten pigs
joran hates his mother and as a matter of fact
joran hates all women. probably learned it from paulus.
the rotten apple doesnt fall too far from the
rancid tree
i have several chain saws, i would cut it down with one swipe. and then burn it
only DAURY (paulus) would say
“you need to go to school tomorrow”
it would never enter the mind of a friend of joran to think like that
paulus is the one. he is SLIPPERY DAURY
the same one that joran said “he would die for”
GO ARREST THAT SLIME BALL PAULUS YOU GUTLESS
PIG ..HANS MOS
MOS SUCKS and so does JOE TACOCRAP
http://www.VANDERSLOOTS.com
Just found a new ARUBA e-card today.
…and the scenery is breathtaking!
BONBINI
http://tinyurl.com/3tp9ph
What a great website! The truth is very POWERFUL.
http://www.vandersloots.com/
The Van der sloots are a family of lying,
raping, murdering pigs. I shall bookmark this.
-justice for natalee!
See PAUL-A$$.
See PAUL-A$$ RUN!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/5sr5lm
-j4n
It’s pretty obvious who YoYo is=====and what brings it out…..go post your poopies somewhere else….!!!!
I don’t believe in calling someone that
unless they really like it! It is all
in the way it is used…
( I check that racism crap at the door. It’s a new day.)
Sticks and stones
will break yer bonez, but words will never
hurt ya. Unless ofcourse, you’re walkin’ around
in bermuda shorts and a polka-dotted shirt,
hollerin’ that sh out in downtown Compton,
Los Angeles. They’ll sic Snoop on yer azz!!!
—
Yo yo, you’re so sensitive… you’re TAUPE, dude!
Except in recent pics where you look sorta a very
unhealthy sickly GREEN. What is up with that?
You’ve been hanging out with brainwashing racists
like Joran and Paulus Van der sloot too long!
They took your small gumball of a brain and chewed
it up and spit it out right on Anita’s oil
painting of Elvis! You’d be laughed out of
the US if you tried filling out an employment
ap. over here. Da Van der sloots USED YOUR HINEY,
bro bro. GOOD MORNNNNNNNING, whars the coffee????
oh yeah… and while I’m still at it… all the
dressin’ up crap you do…. (suit – tie – and
all that jazz) I don’t know how to break this to
you, but you are a stinky lying
little t-biscuit!!!
You can slap a tie on one, a nice blazer,
300 dolla slacks & Gucci shoes… but at the
end of the day when you disrobe for
boom-beddie-by-bys… ( momma peas com’ tuckies )
> you are still the HEAPING
PILE that you always have been,
you are just now in pink footie pajamas! -j4n
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
for the ‘Bama
baby-boo we have
all come to know &
love with all our hearts.
NAT
http://tinyurl.com/2z4rwg
brie
who is yoyo
email me its ok klaasend let me get brie’s email
anyways brie lol
brie
dont worry there are lots of yoyo trolls in here.. you have more class than that!!
she lacks attention in her life so she comes here and picks people apart !!
doesnt bother me considering she is low life..
I realy dont see anyone here that cares for her … isnt that sad
not to be liked… she has to be pretty miserable …within
poh yoyo!!!
Hey, Aruba … who are the three (alleged) perpetrators of that rape against the woman?
Haven’t identified them YET?
wouldnt be suprised RICHARD…if the names were familiar!!
yeah brie, please tell me who I am.
brie/misskatie – all I have to do is reference your exchange in #49 to see how much class you two have.
call the popo yoyo
MissKatie….let’s just say it’s someone better off not knowing…..the worst of all trolls….
Anyway, I always like hearing from you….have a good day…
So, is Anita doing some of her art work with Joran’s paint ball gun….you know the one he killer Choller with….probably got mad and lost his temper over something and the dog became the victim….
#67….meant to say…you know the he killed Choller with…
#68…oh darnit…meant to say…you know the one he killed Choller with….
You could duct tape his li’l doo-dad-illies
to a bus seat…
Soak his Tic-Tacs in gasoline…
Ask him to hold a propane tank while you
static cling his socks together…
Do I have to come up with everything, folks?
-j4n
ditto brie
I thought it was a troll
It smelt kinda funkie if ya know what I mean
it it smells like a troll its a troll
a troll on a yoyo
its always nice hearing from you
which I could say the same about this one… not
yoyo
reference all you want
it only makes you lok like an ass
go for it doesnt matter to me
I know brie and I are on a higher class evidenced by your rotten behaviour and nasty personality
go for it ester jr
look:)
WHAT YOU GONNA DO CYBER SLAP US!!! lol OUCH
HIDING BEHIND MONITOR
ARUBA HOTEL WEBCAMS
June 19th, 2008
wowieeee, wow wow wowwwwww!!!!
It don’t get no better than dis.
….
http://tinyurl.com/4XyXqd
http://tinyurl.com/3jap5e
http://tinyurl.com/4voq3k
http://tinyurl.com/496omb
This could be just one of 1000 reasons Aruba has a negative image.
Croes says fairy tales about Natalee’s disappearance in the USA media.. the credibility of their legal system is being endangered. Rudy Croes should give up his day job to be a comedian.
WILLEMSTAD, 29/6/05 – Justice Minister Croes of Aruba wants the Dutch government to show official support to the island. He says fairy-tales about the disappearance of American schoolgirl Natalee Holloway are systematically appearing in the US media.
Croes is afraid of the consequences that the negative reports could have for American tourism on the island. On some TV programmes, Aruba is now being depicted as a criminal island full of gambling, dealing and drinking.
Croes had a meeting in Curacao yesterday with Dutch Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner and Kingdom Relations Minister Alexander Pechtold. “The credibility of our legal system is being endangered,” Croes complained afterwards.
http://www.curacao.name/2005/06/29/aruba-urges-netherlands-to-end-holloway-fairy-tales/
Prime minister sick of this case 7 months after Natalee disappeared. If he is sick and tired in 7 months image how Natalee’s family feel 3 years later. What a guy!
January 23, 2006
Oduber disputes the fact that he himself had recently approached a group to come look for the girl in Aruba. “I am sick and tired of the case. I do not talk about this case with people; not with the Attorney General, not with the OM. In the beginning I have discussed the matter with the American FBI, but I do not do that anymore. The OM and the Aruban police are doing the investigation and they have to try to conclude it right. I think that Aruba can do the investigation right herself, but if the OM and the police are of the opinion that they need assistance from abroad, they can get that.
Then a receptionist at the Arubianna Inn, will be glad when it’s out of the media.. Nothing about what Natalee’s family has been through, its all about them and money.
“We’ll be glad when it’s out of the media … We’ve suffered enough,” said John Herbert, a receptionist at the Arubiana Inn on the island of white sand beaches off the coast of Venezuela.
and last but no least Ariean Bie who says “All’s well that ends well.. What a great guy!
The bailiff of the OM informed Lawyer Ariean de Bie of this between 11:00 and 12:00 this morning. “That definitely concludes the case”, said De Bie. “All’s well that ends well.
“On some TV programmes, Aruba is now being depicted as a criminal island full of gambling, dealing and drinking.”
Holy Toledo … who could THINK such a thing?
“I think that Aruba can do the investigation right herself, but if the OM and the police are of the opinion that they need assistance from abroad, they can get that.”
Hey, Oduber … you had the FBI on your island and ostracized them, leaving them boiling mad.
Still think Aruba could do the investigation right? Or by that, do you mean cover it up … well, you couldn’t even do a cover-up that Beth didn’t knock down in a day or two.
Puzzle: is Aruba more stupid or more dishonest?
#76
Rudy Croes,
We’re sick of all of your lies & face!
May a sniper with very poor aim miss
your ugly mug, and shoot that wild
beaver off your head.
Ohhhh Magooo, you’ve done it again!
Now that would truly be a public
service for all of Aruba.
lmao capre your killing hilarious…
beaver of your head
and poor miss lmao thats too funny!!!
LOL RICHARD
WHO WOULD THINK THAT ABOUT THAT ISLAND LOL LOL
NOT ARUBA LOL
So TV reports the island is gambling, dealing and drinking….that would be quite correct.. but don’t forget the raping of young American girls…and how the pimp club premediates their victims….
I wonder how many children on that island do not know their fathers….how many belong to Joran…
Qualifications for a police officer:
Must be able to consume large quantities of Frost Flakes…..
Weigh at least 300 lbs and not able to run…
Never serve justice, in any way, means or form
Do try to never be admisssive to reporting a crime of rape….
Never report the rape of young girls behind C&C’s….
Do not use a decent means of removal for any dead bodies in the ocean…just drag them out by their arm…
Can count to ten and allowed to miss a number…
Must have bad breath and a stink hiney….like Jacobs…..
brie
like who the baby daddy!!!
wow
where is everyone .. must mean
end of story literaly!!
Aruba is bad place .Dive shops stink. dont go there Nasty people.