RSSDiario Aruba: Joran’s Sneakers Found at Light House in Aruba???
Sneakers found at lighthouse in Aruba. Are these the missing Joran Van der Sloot sneakers?
Supposedly this area was searched. Is it possible that these sneakers are the one’s missing from Joran Van der Sloot in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Diario: KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE
Posted May 30, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Bizarre, Diario, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 85 comments |
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We luv ya, Nat & Fam! Always thinking of you.
http://tinyurl.com/2dnghs
Wait a minute. The lighthouse area has been searched several times, and I believe that one group of searchers were those Dutch who were sent over, and who also looked at the van der Scum and Kalpoes’ houses.
I hope I’m wrong, but this seems either a plant or totally unconnected to me. Just another ruse or gimmick, like those calls that Dompig supposedly got from someone who was “crying with remorse” and giving the tip that Natalee was buried in the dunes?
Perhaps these were planted so that they could be found, thereby giving the Aruban people the idea that “Aruba’s finest” were continuing to work on the case? I just don’t believe this.
They dont look like they have been there for three years. Pleasesay a preyer for Natalee tonight, I will be!!
For some reason, I can’t post a comment on the letter to Aruba thread. I thought that it was very nice indeed … there was no mention of the reward that was offered for Natalee’s return, or for information about her. I imagine the reward remains in effect?
Anyway, here’s hoping that it produces results.
Meanwhile, here’s a song for Natalee that I wrote on Memorial Day about a year ago. It promotes the boycott, which I still think is the single strongest practical campaign that we can take … the only effective tool that we can wield.
Remember, Aruba Tourism Authority will be holding an event in Washington, DC, in mid-June. Stand up for Natalee in Washington, or help support those who do!
The tune is a kind of hybrid of “John Brown’s Body” and “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.”
Her precious life was taken by those filthy three;
The devil chuckled at the torments they will see.
The angels sobbed with grief … but then joined hands in glee
To welcome Natalee!
(chorus:) Glory, glory Hallelujah!
Glory, glory Hallelujah!
Glory, glory Hallelujah …
HER truth is marching on!
Now our boycott makes Arubans all afraid –
Wretched curs, to cry to those who you betrayed!
Let this message leave you trembling and dismayed;
We’ll fight for Natalee!
(chorus)
Fellow Americans, it’s up to me and you.
Sing this message loud to Oduber and crew –
To save your island, this we demand of you,
Justice for Natalee!
(chorus)
We’ll stand side by side with Beth forevermore,
Urging people to avoid Aruba’s shore.
Let them whine and moan — on them we’ll slam the door
For love of Natalee!
(chorus)
Certainly no masterpiece, but you get the point.
meant “prayer”, also i think some joker may have left these for a sick joke!!
The K-Swiss sneakers had some significance in this case as Joran was questioned at length about them….
But why? Has anyone ever put a finger on why these shoes were so significant?
Of course he said he left them on the beach and walked home. But, so much focus was put on ONE shoe. Where was the other one?
This is what is puzzling. How did the ALE come up with one shoe…but not the other? Where did they find the one shoe? Did they test the one shoe for DNA, blood, etc?
The shoe thing has never added up. When is Aruba going to release ALL of the case files on this travesty so that we can pick it apart and further show that they were covering up all along?
MD
Hmmm, rather fascinating that this shoe should be found just as the 3rd anniversary of Natalee’s death.
Exactly Kat….. it is a hoax. A very sick, cruel one, at that.
The anniversary of Natalee and the shoes suddenly appear!!! They certainly do not look like they have been exposed to the weather for 3 yrs….with the storm and all the rain they had…the back of the shoes and the inside lining, usually made of something similar to terry cloth, isn’t discolored at all….it’s made to look like the shoe got caught in a crevice and someone had to slip their foot out….is Aruba playing more of their sick mind games?…I know Oduber, after seeing the video of Patrick and Joran, said he didn’t want to hear anymore about this…
Is Joran on the island…just because he was told he wasn’t welcome doesn’t mean he wouldn’t go there….we know how he likes the limelight and enjoys the satisfaction of torment, distorting the truth and leading the investigation in all sorts of directions….
Wonder what Tim would have to say about this….did Tim find the shoes while searching at the lighthouse, turned them in and notified Jossy…
I was in aruba 2 weeks ago…
The weird thing is that i talked to some dutch tourist who told me they found a k-swiss while on tour on the island with Eddy Croes..
I didnt believe them but to my surprise i saw the article in the newspaper…
So Katablog,the shoe as been laying there for a while so its not a hoax…
Have a nice day
it’s been 3 long years since natalee halloway has disappeared.Since oduar in aruba doesn’t want to hear anymore on this case,I think amercia shnould put more pressure on him until he opens it up again.These three suspects are getting awsay with murder and the goverment officals are letting them get by with murder.they aslo have natalee’s blood on their hands Sue
Yeah right,, this fake!!
nat was missing on 30 may 2005 and this article is posted on 30 may 2008…
Problem is, Susan (#11) … nobody in our own government seems to care either. That’s why it’s important that we continue to remind the world about this case … and continue to do what we can to promote a boycott of Aruba.
That’s the most practical step that we can take, in my view. If anyone else has a better idea, please let us know.
No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.
Wondering if DNA can be done on the inside of the shoe although it was in the water?
Richard,
Tourists are still coming to Aruba,rather you like it or not….
Maybe you should put direct pressure on the goverment and the ALE..
It may very well be a publicity stunt from the Aruba officials who know it is the anniversary of Natalee’s murder so lets not focus on the name “Natalee” or Joran because focusing on a shoe will help keep your mind off of her murder.
Esther said there was an article in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago in Aruba about the shoes….but Jossy just published an article today…maybe this is a follow up…wish we could read what it says…would like to know just how this Dutch tourist stumbled upon these shoes…this person had to know about Joran’s missing shoes, otherwise, just finding a pair of shoes wouldn’t mean anything to anyone….!!!! Maybe he or she planted them there….
But let’s just say for a minute they are Joran’s shoes and Natalee’s blood and dna are on them…what would Aruba say, probably that they could not prove they belonged to Joran….
(klaasend)
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SM: I don’t think Esther said there was an article in the paper, Esther said she talked to a Dutch tourist who said they found the shoes a couple weeks ago. I believe the article Esther is referring to is the one today in Diario
This was Esther’s post:
Esther wrote:
I was in aruba 2 weeks ago…
The weird thing is that i talked to some dutch tourist who told me they found a k-swiss while on tour on the island with Eddy Croes..
I didnt believe them but to my surprise i saw the article in the newspaper…
So Katablog,the shoe as been laying there for a while so its not a hoax…
Have a nice day
May 30, 9:32 AM
I BELIEVE ITS A HOAX.. STUPID OFFICIALS
THE DUMB AND DUMBER TEAM…
ARE TOO OVIOUS
BY THE WAY WHERE PRAY TELL
DID THEY GET THEIR CREDENTIALS…
DO THEY SELL CRACKER JACKS IN ARUBA
Richard,
Sometimes you hit the nail on the head, but you missed totally in accusing our government of not caring. Where do you get that? You are smart and must understand we have NO jurisdiction in Aruba…right? You think if Aruba asked FBI to assist they’d have turned it down? HELL NO!!!
What do you wish for our gov. to do? Bring in war planes? I understand this is a frustrating case because the local powers that be covered up and basically handed Joran a pass, but Natalee was there, not here. Same rules do not apply. We cannot simply go in there and take over like gestapo.
As for the sneakers, they are too new looking. Don’t forget in Joran’s “confession” that was also cast aside, the boy admitted tossing them into a drain on a street somewhere. That I do believe happened. Those shoes were not left on the beach, they were disposed of for whatever forensic evidence was meant to be hidden….or for the simple fact Joran didn’t want them any longer since he messed them up getting them all wet. Daddy will certainly buy precious baby all the shoes he wants.
Thanks for remembering Natalee. Regarding the shoes at the lighthouse, I’m very skeptical of something. That blanking lighthouse has been searched, and shoes turn up right on the day of the 3rd year that Natalee is missing? Please, tell me I’m wrong. I hope I am wrong. May it is the REAL thing.
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SM: I agree too coincidental to have JUST showed up. The only thing I’m wondering if someone could have held onto THE shoe and planted it (as it may have evidence). Hoping that someone has stepped up to finally end this nightmare. (klaasend)
20- Klaas, Im thinking and praying the same thing…maybe just maybe someone was holding onto the sneaker and decided to “plant” it there so it could be found…lets hope so and pray the ALE does the right thing…
Klaasend…I thought perhaps the same thing, maybe someone did find the shoe and held onto it and now that Tim is over there searching for one of their people that want to help…that would be something…waited for Natalee’s anniversary so the shoe would be related to the case…
In the picture it looks like there is some sort of maybe dried out plastic strip perhaps from a bag at one time on the top of the shoe….hope it does turn out to be something but then of course, as we well know, what would Aruba do about it….!!!!!
It doesn’t look weathered enough–unless, as Klaas suggested–maybe someone was holding on to it until now.
Klaassend :The Tour that Eddy offers is an extreme one…you will go to places on the island where no one ever comes..maybe you can google him..
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SM: Yes, I see the link you posted and found this article about him as well (klaasend)
http://www.islands.com/article.jsp?ID=48483
http://www.sensitivehikers.com
Without reading the previous comments first, my thought is that these shoes don’t look like they’ve been exposed to the elements for three years.
Ok,you know thats why i dont think the shoe was planted there on purpuse..
Klaas:
Great Minds think alike!
Perhaps the boy who said that he
witnessed a sexual assault.
If anyone knows who the corrupt
officials are, it would be the Arubans,
themselves.
.
Maybe we’re both reaching out…
at the same time!
.
Justice for Natalee!
And ALL the Others!
.
I tend to disagree with the majority’s opinion. They could be Joran’s sneakers. I don’t believe it says they were found in water. And if wedged on the rocks further in from the beach they would be dry. It just doesn’t rain. The sneakers would not have gotten wet. Things in a dry climate tend to stay preserved. Every police statement started out that we took Natalee to the lighthouse and something bad happened. Later they dropped her off at the Holiday and then near the Marriot Hotel Beach. IMO they were never at the beach; at least not that one. Joran’s description of how he and Natalee got throught the hotel area and to the beach is; well made up.
His descriptions suck.
Didn’t someone find a cell phone near the same area that belonged (” “) to Paulus. That is why he was using Anita’s cell phone that week. Interesting that Sanders has his cell stolen and Paulus may have lost his and Joran’s sneakers show up near the light house. A definite pinpointed location is needed as to where they were found. What ever happened to Natalee in my opinion STARTED within a 300 yard radius of the lighthouse. Within that area you have the restaurant, numerous club house buildings on the golf course and of course the tower/building about 100 yards south of the lighthouse.
BTW: an 1895 map of Aruba shows a gold mine entrance about 100 yards south of the tower and building. (Karen Goddesoff) “Daiario”.
Just my opinion. We need an exact location.
From Holland on May 30th, 2008 10:08 am
Yeah right,, this fake!!
nat was missing on 30 may 2005 and this article is posted on 30 may 2008…
…..
Well LADDDDDI-FRIGGIN’ DAAAAAAAAA! -Chris Farley
Thank you very much Inspector Gadget –
Mister Wizard personnnn!!!!!!
If we shall be requiring your investigative services and sheer wit in the future…
we’ll put in a call to Godfather R. DeVries
to get in touch with you.
That is “Joran-esque Logic”
… if I’ve ever read it.
Crossbow:
I hope you’re right, but wouldn’t leather tend to crack or show alot of wear from being out in the sun, wind and other elements? Either way,
THIS is GOOD NEWS!
.
BRIE AND ANYONE
PLEASE COMMENT
WHO HAS THE SNEAKERS NOW? AND WILL THEY TOO DISAPPEAR THRU PAUULUS’S FRIENDS..
THEY SEEM TO PAY FOR THINGS TO GO BYE BYE
AND IF THIS PERSON DID SAVE THE SHOES AND THEY ARE JORANS WHAT NOW.. WHERE ARE THEY.. CAN ARUBAN OFFICIALS BE TRUSTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING?
He will get his punishment….
Nobody in Holland believes he is innocent…
Give it time, the truth will come out…
Then let him suffer in a USA cell….
He is Dutch, he is a dumb killer….and we hate him…
Remember, folks, Joran is not the only person in Aruba who wears sneakers.
Brenda (#19) … I say that our government does not care because, although American tourism forms 80% of Aruba’s economy (according to Aruba’s own statistics), I have never heard anyone in the government talk about using that leverage to get answers.
No, we can’t send planes to bomb. But there was talk of treaty rights giving the FBI certain powers in certain circumstances.
We do know that the FBI agents sent down there early (remember, initially Oduber opposed having the FBI take part in the probe, saying that the case “would be solved in a week”) were fuming at their treatment and the Arubans’ high-handed refusal to let them take part in a serious probe.
So what did we do? Meekly folded up our tents and came home. And then let the Arubans come to THIS country and traipse around interviewing the Mountain Brook kids.
In one of my letters to President Bush, I asked that the Dutch ambassador be summoned for consultations that would at least show that the White House was seriously concerned.
Never happened.
I asked that our State Department be allowed to “lean on” Aruba, reminding them of how crucial our tourism is to the success … or failure … of their economy.
Never happened.
I made several other suggestions. None of them were heeded.
I know; nobody ever read the letter. No big surprise there. But who in our government has come out and said anything about Aruba?
What came out of Condoleezza Rice’s meeting with Beth Holloway?
Why did the National Governor’s Association in its 2005 meeting just let the whole issue of a voluntary boycott on Aruba drop out of sight?
I repeat what I said: nobody in our government cares about the Natalee Holloway case, or the Amy Bradley case.
It isn’t even entering election-year rhetoric.
Esther (#15) … No doubt Aruba is still getting some tourists. Our voluntary boycott will never be 100% effective. But it can hurt, and has.
By Aruba’s own admission, tourism has suffered over the last three years. We hope to make it suffer some more. We don’t have much influence on Colombians … but we can reach out to other Americans, and will try our best to do so.
Let’s gird up for the mid-June Washington event of Aruba Tourism Authority, folks. Show up, or support those who do. Stand up for Natalee!
#34 “Remember, folks, Joran is not the only person in Aruba who wears sneakers”
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No. …but he is the only 7 ft. flaming doo-dangle within a 5,000 mile radius of Aruba that throws away perfectly good ones, FOR NO REASON, preferring to go “barefooties.”
Oh golly gee whillikers, pawwww…
I just tossed away another pair!
DOOOOH SPORTER! You do dat againnnn???
WAH WAHHHHHHHH
carpe: you are one wacko..LMAO…..
#34, richard. in summer of ’06, a dutch newspaper printed a klpd report that complained about rudy croes’ refusal to let the f.b.i. and klpd investigate natalee’s case, and klpd to investigate money laundering, drug transhipments, white collar crime, and the transfer of money to terrorist organizations in south america. rudy is such a paragon of honesty and integrity and benefit to law order for aruba.
dennisintn
Well, hey, DennisinTn (#38), he’s only the minister of justice, right? Why should he care?
In re the FBI, I know at firsthand that the family of Amy Bradley has had brought to their attention some information that could potentially be significant.
They need a court order to get it.
The FBI and lots of others have made promises; since which were made, nothing but political footballs and playing patsy ….
Whatever the priorities of our law enforcement people, they don’t seem to rank the well-being of Americans overseas highly. Yes, there are legal restrictions on them … but they also have a number of strengths that they COULD use, if they chose to.
But these days, we can’t even get Aruba to take elementary steps for justice. Ho-hum….
Carpe (#36), nowhere do I see any reference to the size of these sneakers. They look big to me … but the close-up photo may cause that.
It seems too coincidental to me that on the third anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance, this “clue” should suddenly appear.
On this one, count me a skeptic until proven wrong.
Don’t care about the shoes, just wanted some closure in this case. Yes our government would have done something had it been a somebody’s daughter in Washington. The government is know longer for the people. The government now serves their own lust, greed.
Gretawire has a nice tribute page going on Natalee. Mostly complimentary except for a few from CheriMacBeotch…she is such a one trick pony! Re the tennis shoe, on Gretawire they are saying it’s a woman’s shoe, and a smaller size than Joran’s, which has been claimed to be both 14 and 10.5? I seem to recall these were expensive $1,500 shoes, especially made for Slimebucket himself…slim chance there would be too many of those left “floating” around or flung away, unless they had evidence on them.
What about DNA? Can’t they be tested, I believe I’ve read that DNA can remain in an item. Not sure though. I imagine Joran’s DNA was taken somewhere along the line, but one never knows.
Memories disappear in “the mist of time”, but I seem to recall they took Joran’s DNA, and then there was some court ruling where they had to destroy it??? Anyone remember?
WHO HAS THE SHOES NOW
1. As minnesota dad said, the focus was on ONE shoe. Why?
2. If these shoes really belong to Joran, what does that say about the “thorough” search for Natalee?
3. If these shoes belong to Joran, so what? They will go the way of the belt, the bloody mattress, the duct tape with blonde hair stuck to it . . .
#46- No. 3—- I completley AGREE ! Even if these are Joran’s shoes…so what is right! Have we ANY reason to believe that this evidence will lead to the Sporter actually being CONVICTED of his crimes against Natalee??
It has been 3 long years. Natalee is gone, but never forgotten. We all know who the guilty ones are! The fact that these murdering rapists get to enjoy their freedom to this day is what still burns my butt !!
-J4N
Meanwhile, I was saddened that Yahoo searches over the past few days have failed to turn up stories about the “third anniversary.” There was one on a local Birmingham, Alabama, station, but otherwise it’s as though the whole tragedy has been forgotten.
Obviously the news media aren’t going to react unless there is some development, but you would expect to see some coverage on a date like this, even if it’s only a “continue to wait” story.
We will never give up our efforts, regardless.
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SM: Greta did cover it last night (klaasend)
O.K. lets get the dog sled ready to send these very slowly to the Dutch police to get them tested for DNA. That has been the way these things were handled in the past in Aruba.
KLAASEND NO ONE IS ANSWERING ME SO ILL ASK YOU WHO HAS THE SHOES NOW THE POLICE?
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SM: According to a Dutch article, the prosecutors office is saying the shoes are not Joran’s, they are too small (not that I believe it), so my GUESS is that the prosecutor or ALE have the shoes. (klaasend)
thanks klaasend
it would be something they would say.. who knows if they are or arent jorans
as all along they have lied..
thanks for a speedy response
46 Open a Window and 49 bun: Remember the bone, duct tape, toothbrush and whatever were sent to The Netherlands because Aruba does not have the facilities for DNA testing.
Amazing though how quickly they knew the blood on the mattress was from a dog.
It was amazing how they were able to deduce that Rene could not survive because his head was nearly severed off, and that Pitbull and Robert Benson committed suicide.
Do we really think we are going to receive anything but BS answers from the current Aruban Government?
Also what ever did happen to the VCB shirt, foam tape, glasses and bottle of unknown liquid found at Weg Fontein; not to mention the room key found in Deepak’s car.
SM Can we have an exact location as to where these shoes were found at the light house; or is that going to change to the beach?
Do we have an exact location where that cell phone that was found near the lighthouse that may have belonged to Paulus?
Bun on May 31st, 2008 10:08 am
O.K. lets get the dog sled ready to send these very slowly to the Dutch police to get them tested for DNA. That has been the way these things were handled in the past in Aruba.
….
Yes, they only use one dog, and he is very old. They call him “Jim Bob.” He has three bad paws, and has to stop every three blocks to use an Albuterol inhaler,and go to the restroom.
Looking forward to the DNA results back by 2013!
-j4n
Hey,
People, do me a favor… read this article from
Dr. Maglio. If you’re feeling like I was…
email him and let him know!
I have included the quote the set my “sphinc in a puck.” I’m gonna be mad at least a month! Hell,
there are some dead people I still don’t like…
and we’re probably not going to be working it
out anytime soon either.I’ve got your other cheek!LOL
—snip
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist
Published: May 29, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5j97sX
—-
“We Americans are not demanding courteous and dignified behavior from our children when visiting foreign nations. We act as if “what happens there stays there.” When something tragic happens we do not question our supervision or the obnoxious behavior of our youth but arrogantly blame the authorities of the foreign nation.”
We have punished Aruba for the “Natalie Holloway” debacle.
-snip
—-
PUH-LEEZE.
Contact Dr. Maglio
widerhorizon @bellsouth.net
Carpe….maybe they will put the tennis shoe in question on the one good paw of the one-dog sled and, of course, that will be a Yorkie..ha
Source: Amigoe
Standard of living is going down
Parliamentarians have listened very attentively to the explanation of the Central Bank on the financial future of Aruba last Wednesday.
ORANJESTAD – The standards of living will drop within the foreseeable future, now that the inflation remains unprecedentedly high and there are no solutions. Even the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA), whose main duty is watching the stability of the prices, can not do much.
That’s the message that the president of the Central Bank, Hassanali Mehran delivered to the Finance Standing Committee last Wednesday. Mehran emphasized that several factors are impelling the inflation up and the monetary policy – the package of measures that a Central Bank can take to keep the florin stable – is of little use. That can also be noticed in the trailing credit growth, which was only 4 percent in 2007. -snip
http://tinyurl.com/p7zqm
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GEE WHIZ! I wonder when the “Brain Trusts of Aruba” started picking up on that? These people
are really a joke.
No, I mean literally a joke! I am not trying to be mean.
Notice that that jackass who has the “Dr.” in front of his name doesn’t even know how to spell Natalee’s name correctly. Ah, well, that won’t stop him from pontificating ….
If he thinks we’ve punished Aruba, just let him wait until he sees what WE think is “punishment.”
Crossbow (#52) … I believe that the FBI came out and said that the duct tape found on the beach did not have any of Natalee’s DNA. Much as I distrust the FBI, I can’t think that they would cover up things the way that Aruba/Holland have.
At the time, when I subscribed to the idea that Natalee was taken off Aruba alive and was shipped to the South American brothels, it seemed likely that the duct tape was indeed related to her.
But that apparently is a false lead. I really think these shoes, too, are not related … but could I be wrong? Certainly.
The pair of white shoes were found at the lighthouse.. In this article it says they were found near where Natalee was seen last. Seen last by who? Last place I know Natalee was seen was leaving Carlos n Charlies. Joran’s shoes were probably gotten rid of with Natalee or burnt. Someone went to a lot of trouble to get rid of evidence of Natalee.. beginning with cleaning the car inside and out before daylight on the night she disappeared.
ORANJESTAD – A pair of white sports shoes KSwiss yesterday for large consternation ensured in Aruba.
Initially it was thought that it was the missing pair of shoes Joran van der Sloot. He had in the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries announced that he had hidden his shoes. The couple that was found yesterday, was tucked away between a few stones near the spot where Holloway was seen for the last. It went according to the Public Prosecution Service not to the shoes of Joran. Spokesman Ann Angela:,, Joran has size 46 or 48, they are in a very small size. Moreover, it is a ladies.”
Point to ponder:
If these sneakers were Joran’s, and he took them off deliberately, for whatever reason …
… and they had DNA or some other evidence that tied them (and therefore him) to Natalee …
… and if he knew where he took them off …
… then why on Earth wouldn’t he have gone back by now to retrieve them? Or PvdS, or someone?
If his videotape comments to Patrick are true, then he was present when Natalee collapsed and he helped dispose of her body. (I don’t believe that the truth is as simple as this, but there may be a kernel of truth in his statements.)
So given his ability to do this, and to brag about it (“I didn’t lose any sleep”) … though again, I’m not sure I believe him … does anyone think that he would be squeamish about retrieving a pair of sneakers?
RICHARD
GOOD POINT
HIS FATHER WOULD NOT LEFT ANY STONES UNTURNED.. HE DID A CHECK LIST IN HIS HEAD… BUT THAN HE DID LOOSE A CELL PHONE.. BUT I TRULY DOUBT THAT HE WOULD LOOSE THOSE SHOES..AND NOT GO LOOK FOR THEM…IM GUESSING THEY WERE BURNED
maggie
i agree with you
i commented before i read what you posted
we are thinking alike
i too thought possibly the shoes were thrown out at sea but now i realy lean towards buring destroyed!!
ARUBA IS MESSING WITH YOU
THAT WHERE THEIR SICK MENTALITY IS
UN- GODLY FULL OF EVIL
EVIL EVIL
i meant to say aruba is messing with us
with their sick mentality… they are un godly and pure evil.. pagon…
mocking us mocking god
57: Richard. “pontificating” LOLOL You got that from Bill O’Reilly.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
I got excited about the duct tape and blonde hair, I got excited about the bone that washed up, I got excited about the bloody mattress. I thought that they were real clues. If they were, the evidence on them was destroyed. So I can’t get excited about a pair of shoes on the Anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance. Somebody is “messin’ where they shouldna been a-messin’.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
I thought that it was established that the shoe was found a week ago. I believe that it could be Joran’s shoe because I read an eye-witness account of a boy who saw Joran sexually assault Natalee and as he was carrying her out to sea, thinking she was dead, he took Joran’s shoes and ran away… probably to report the crime he just witnessed.
If this is the person who placed that shoe there, it may mean that he is ready to come out again. He told the police that he had a condom, as well. Ofcourse, the Aruban officials deported him, acting like he was the local idiot… but, even, Deepak said, in his statements, that if the police want to know what happened to Natalee, they need to ask Joran what happened to his shoes.
I can just picture Joran trying to find his shoes in the rocks. Those rocks are jagged and sharp and it is said that Joran had cuts on his feet. Surely, he would not be able to catch the man who saw him and the missing shoe, or shoes would become an important part of the case against Joran.
Wouldn’t it be good if the person grabbed both shoes, but only gave one to the police, keeping the other in hand, on a hunch that the police were not being forthcoming.
Like Steve Holloway said: There will be justice in it’s own time. Perhaps this is a step in the right direction. (No pun intended)
I still think finding that shoe is a good thing and that it is not a hoax; but, rather, a reminder.
.
Molly:
I know it sounds morbid, but, I think there are bones all over that island and in the sea, as well.
Carcasses…
.
Patti: Not too morbid, considering that Tim Miller’s group found a cage with a skull or something, right? Sounds like Mode of Operandus to me.
Shoe or no shoe, I hope that someone finds some DNA somewhere, linking JVS to this crime.
boycott aruba
molly in houston
This is total b.s. – once aqain the Aruban government is focused on an irrelevant piece of tripe…as they have done for the past 3 years…why aren’t they focusing on what happened to Natalee??? Why haven’t they EVER focused on her???
They, Nat and Joran, were also seen by the boy that worked at the Lighthouse… remember? The one that died of siezures on June 6, 2005?
IMHO
Molly:
I hope so, too.
Patti
“The one that died of siezures on June 6, 2005?”
A lot of people who walk unknowingly into the evil path of the Van der sloot family of Aruba die of seizures, huh?
Exactly, Carpe.
Sometimes, even I fear reprisal for the things I say and do on this site. But, they are only men who can kill the body, not the soul. I pray for God’s protection, as you should, too. There are alot of people who practice spiritism, in Aruba. I suppose with you being a man, you don’t worry about your safety as much as I do… but, please, beware!
Forgiveness… comes alot easier to those that are repentant. So, until Aruba swallows it’s pride and does something to end this madness, we work together to keep the boycott going. I admire your work and like Maggie said the other day, your love for Natalee illuminates off the page in your posts.
Keep it up!
Richard 57: Who is to say the FBI got the same sample? Think about it. If there was a possiblity that it belonged to Natalee; if Aruba is engaged in a cover up; then why supply the FBI with the same sample? Of course then the sample would not be Natalee’s dna.
Where is the clothe that the park ranger found? Where in the northern end of the island is the Park Ranger Building. Another possible place that Natalee was taken. The duct tape, the clothe, the shallow grave all by the “turtle eggs”. Find out where that station is located.
Can’t rule out anything when it comes to Aruba … but it’s at least possible that the duct tape analyzed was the stuff found. I remember reading a story that a scuba diver said that it was used to take hairs off the diving gear, or something. That seemed strange to me, but a specific person made that statement, so it could be proven or disproven.
Just as a specific Canadian said that he had an odd encounter with a frightened Caucasian girl on a beach in Curacao … and later identified her, from photos, as Amy Bradley, right down to her tattoos, six months after she “vanished” from the cruise ship.
Patti … I remember that story, but I believe that the guy who made the statement was a Colombian who later was convicted of lying. I’m not certain about this, though, and the same question remains open as Crossbow raises.
Another point to ponder: we all (I think) believe that there was a cover-up on Aruba. Well, a week or so before Natalee even got to the cursed island, PvdScum was turned down for the judgeship that he wanted.
I’ve never been quite able to figure out how or why, if he was so important on the island and had his tentacles into the centers of power, he couldn’t secure the position he wanted.
If this is as straightforward as it seems (that he just wasn’t competent … not hard to believe), then it suggests to me that others are complicit in arranging and sustaining the cover-up. Who are they, and why?
I’ve always believed that this had to involve something that, if made known to the American people, would destroy Aruba’s economy and tourist business (one and the same) for once and for all.
For years I thought that Natalee must have been handed over to someone in the white slave trade.
But after three years, with no word from her, I can’t think that anymore … unless, just possibly, whoever held her realized that the publicity made her too prominent, and so she had to be “disposed of.”
If we reject this idea, then the “kiddie porn” films of Freddy (who, if I remember, was staying over at Joran’s apartment that night) seems the most likely alternative.
Patti has given us another idea.
What other possibilities are there? If PvdScum wasn’t as powerful on Aruba as many have thought (if he were indeed so powerful, wouldn’t he simply have waltzed into that judicial position?), then who else is involved?
On a personal note … I’m going to be away for a week, June 3-9. This is anything but a big deal, but my absence doesn’t imply that I’ve given up.
Patti,
in my garbones every night at around the
stroke of midnight. (voodoo doll)
—
On the Paulus Vandersloot tip: It does not surprise me one bit he could not pass his judgeship test, multiple times. We are talking about a man who turned a run of the mill rape case, that accidentally escalated into a
murder on Natalee…
…into a crime that has grown greater than the size of the Nixon Watergate scandal!
This man is dumber than a box of farts.
The picture he took with Tacopina and his
wife, with his freewilly hanging out was
the all-time capper for me.
This man needs aid in fixing
his morning bowl of cereal.
Anita should not allow this
man out of the house, not even
on Sundays.
BOYYYYYY, I SSSSAY, I SSSSAY BOYYYY….
The dude is “wicked chronic!”
-Foghorn T. Leghorn
CROSSBOW!!, you mention the clothes found by the park ranger, when i saw the close-up of the garments shivers went down my spine, they were SO like the top Natalee was wearing that last night. I cannot believe when ALL the evidence is put together the American authorities STILL ignore this cover-up and allow Aruba to GET AWAY WITH MURDER!!!
aruba has gotten away with murder and more than anything they have lied and supported a man who couldnt even pass the test to be a judge.. all these involved that night are foreigners… they needed to adress them as killers and not cover for them….
they need to throw em all off the island!!
SEND EM ALL TO ALCATRAZ
ITS DESSERTED THEY WILL FARE JUST FINE!!
ARUBAN PROSECUTORS CAUGHT LIEING AGAIN….
ALE has stated that this shoe was small and that it was a woman’s shoe. This is bs…the shoe in the picture is a large K-Swiss Men’s Classic shoe.
K-Swiss Classic shoes are worn almost exclusively by tennis players. It is a ‘classic’ tennis style and shoe. Joran was an active tennis player (who, supposedly was dropped off for a lesson by Paulus but club records show he never showed up!).
Further, the shoe in the picture is a shoe typical of a teenage male youth (who plays tennis). Writing on the sides as is shown is not something a girl would do to the shoes that she plays tennis in. It is something that Joran would do as he was a gangster wannabe.
This shoe could very well be his shoe…but planted by the same person that 1) released the aerial photo of the furniture truck (delivering a new mattress…), and 2) released the casino video that showed Paulus hitting on Natalee. Someone ‘in the know’ keeps sending Paulus messages that they got him by the short hairs.
What is the motive….is it to let PVDS and JVDS know that someone with access to law enforcement stuff has them pegged….but the system refuses to go after them? or, could it be that PVDS and JVDS need constant reminders that they better not finger those with ‘dirty hands’ in the cover-up or they will take the VDS’s down hard.
Would love to be a fly on the wall in Aruba….
These shoes are remind me of a butt ugly pair of Bruno Maglia shoes that someone wore in the past….when they committed a murder.
MD
Or, of course, they may be the shoes of someone else.
MD-
If that shoe belonged to a woman, that ol’ bitty had to be a power forward in the WNBA. Where I come from, we call that sucker a ” gunboat.”
Liar Liar Hans’ pant-o-loonies be on fire!
Dear Mr. Mos,
This seems to be a nasty pattern with you, you’re
almost getting as bad as the Van der sloots and
the Kalpoes.
For shame, for shame. -j4n
While working in a muddy garden, it suddenly occurred to me what is wrong with the picture if Aruba says these may be Joran’s lost sneakers.
There were found by the lighthouse which is not far from the dunes and the windy north shore. The sneakers are too pristine; there is no sand in them. They should be full of sand if they were in that location for three years.
Still I would like to know where Aruba planted these sneakers.
Another poor attempt by Aruba trying to pull a fast one.
That shoe, when subjected to the right lighting is not pristine clean and shows blood or definitely the appearance of blood. The shoe has been exposed to some elements. When the picture was taken, the light was such as to block out blimishes. If this was done on purpose, and it very well may have been, then you have more coverup and mockery. The shoe needs to be put under different background lighting and adjusting the lighting balances to bring out the shoe defects and there are many. To those who do not believe this is right, have someone who knows what they are doing to do this. Lighting or luminescence will cover blimishes. It needs to be balanced and adjusted as I said. You will see something. Jack Blue (I do not see things that are NOT there.) Others within my circle of friends have seen it and understand this here. What is the reason I have had so much flack for trying to help? What is the reasoning behind this? That is what I do not understand as much as why the island is covering up this one crime to the degree it is. Jack Blue
SM has found the great pumpkin see today’s forum