RSSWhy did Joran Van der Sloot Mention on Video Tapes … That is Parents Had no Involvement in Disposing of Natalee Holloway’s Body?
So what do Bill Clinton and Joran Van der Sloot have in common? They both made some rather strange and peculiar denials. During ABC’s showing of the Peter R. De Vries tapes last night Joran Van der Sloot made a rather interesting and peculiar comment that was unsolicited. While just talking and discussing the case, Joran Van der Sloot out of the clear blue stated that his parents had no involvement in the disposal of Natalee Holloway’s body. Funny, no one asked him that question whether they were involved. So why make that comment?
That coupled with the statement that he would never give up the name of the person who helped him, he would take it to his grave raised just a few eye brows.
Why would some one’s first reaction be to dispose of a body rather than getting medical help for a person? Those who are victims of accidents have medical help called for them, victims of crimes are disposed of. It’s as simple as that Joran Van der Sloot.
Beth Holloway initially described you as cocky, nasty and rotten. The Peter R. De Vries tapes have vindicated Beth and have shown you for what you truly are. An uncontrollable person capable of doing and saying anything.
Posted February 5, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway, Paul Van der Sloot, WTF | 147 comments |
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Kinda feel bad making jokes at this point….but here goes:
The reason he pointed out that his parents did not help is ’cause the “other 20 times” they took care of it, this time they did not.
In the question of who disposed of Natalee. Perhaps some truth from the Beast. Someone he has known for his life, a name he will not reveal to death. His God Father perhaps, best friend of Paulus, the one that stonewalled the investigation then retired. This someone would have knowledge of Dutch Police practice, Pathology and the waters around Aruba. Think about it..JS
Okay, Monkeys.
Let’s keep to the subject matter. Keep politics out of Natalee’s case!
Two things here.
I now think Joran ditched the shoes because there may have been marks on Natalee, with the shoe prints.
Did anyone else catch when Joran said “powers”
when Patrick said “oh a higher power” Joran retorted “POWERS”
The ALE lied and covered this case up. Beth proved it when she mentioned about the siezures.
Lying stinking pigs
“Why would some one’s first reaction be to dispose of a body rather than getting medical help for a person? Those who are victims of accidents have medical help called for them, victims of crimes are disposed of. It’s as simple as that Joran Van der Sloot. ”
exactly.
Just take a monment to think if this was all staged by both these’s guys and split the money…everyone gets off that could have done something and this friend with a boat is a total lie and most of the blame shifts to him. Joran didn’t say he did anything wrong to cause this event. So why dispose of Natalee?
Or most of it is true except the name of the guy witht the boat because he did not want to give up the name at first. He said he would take it to the grave.
I would stake my life on the fact that his Daddy disposed of the body. One of the Kalpoes says – Your own Father- his sweating profusely – picking Joran up at Lord knows what time – going to the bank in the wee hours of the morning – saying no boby, no crime – where is his time line on the night of the incident – Joran saying he will take his name to his grave – saying his parents have nothing to do with any of it – Joran saying that his “friend” told him that he had to make things as normal as possible the next day. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that these things don’t add up. Like Father, like son.
It had to be Paulus…a peer wouldn’t have said go to sleep because you have to go to school and pretend everything is normal. Only a father would. Initially it was reported that Joran called his father at 2:00 AM May 30th 2005. The father must have gotten rid of the body and the person that helped Paulus could have been the one that protected him all along: Ben Vocking.
a sure sign he is reading all that is said about this case. also he might as well have confessed as to say that (if you want to call them parents) had no hand in helping him in this crime. interrogate them both and they will crack like a rotten egg.
he’s running out of lies and is grasping for straws. so is that nutsack joe taco.
that seems to be greta’s only guest. i guess no respectable person would go on this show!
“Something bad happened to Natalee”
Yeah, who said that too. They all know, they were there.
It had to have been his Dad that helped him. Only a parent and child would be so protective of one another. The Kalpoe’s need to be brought back in and made to crack the entire story. If they’re innocent they have nothing to lose. Like it has been said already, The investigation needs to be investigated!
Is there anyway to do a phone log trace on the payphone by the pool to find out what number he dialed?
Also – can we please keep in mind that Joran is a boozer and a druggie, and if Natalee was snorting lines of coke and died, Joran was most likely messed up and not thinking straight either. Calling an ambulance or police is not what he had in mind, he was probably tripping out. Most likely he called his Dad and when his Dad came, he would confirm that she indeed had no pulse and they could no revive her.
I think it was a bad decision years ago and now they have spent so much time covering that up that they don’t have a choice anymore.
Beth sure did call it right from the start!
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Stating the obvious….Joran making that unsolicited remark that his parents were not involved…..he said ParentS plural which means only One Parental Unit was involved.
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Any of you all familiar with teenage boys’ behavior when a girl dumps them? Mostly you get the girl being called names like bitch and whore to save face. Natalee, therefore, did not want to fool around with Joran.
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I’m sorry, but I really think Joran is gay! I think that’s his ace in the hole when he ever decides to come out. With all this unsolicited talk from the start about his having sex with her, when he comes out he will say it was a lie because he is really gay.
But let’s not get confused with full out gay and gay that isn’t comfy with it yet, which the latter is what I think Joran is.
Lesson in gay discovery:
It is normal when a guy is gay but hasn’t embraced it for the guy to try to have sex with as many girls as he can because he keeps trying to find one he can feel real man to woman chemistry with to convince himself he is not gay.
The guy ‘thinks’ he might be gay! Because he can’t feel anything real with a female. This makes him angry because he doesn’t want to face the social stigma of being gay, especially if his parents push the macho man stuff.
End of lesson in gay discovery….and onto Joran has no real experience with females where he was able to feel like a straight man:
Joran giggles about doing a jello shot on that tape. Before when he mentioned the jello shot he acted the same way, as if he’d actually done something sexy with a female that was new to him. But by the time he said it to Patrick he should have been over the giggles especially since Patrick was older and more of a tough guy. Joran was talking all tough about everything else. Giggling over the jello shot was inconsistent and shows a lack of experience with girls AND Joran is wearing it like a badge of proof to himself he is not gay.
I could go on, but suffice to say I think Joran is gay and hasn’t embraced it yet. He gets angry at himself about it but blames females for it instead and ends up with cold feelings about women in general. Joran also feels (as I read between the lines in his book)that the girls he wants find his friends more attractive; Joran is forever losing girls to his friends; Joran has no good feelings for his friends either since they contribute to his feeling like girls aren’t attracted to him sexually which makes him have to wonder if he’s gay.
Yep. Joran is gay. He just hasn’t come to emotionaly terms with it yet. And if he tried Natalee to see if he could get some real man feelings going with her he would not have been able to without getting angry and getting turned on that way. Sadism turns a lot of gay men on, you know? It’s the only thing that does.
Why is it that for years you people called Joran a liar and never believed a word he said, but now that he’s said it on camera it has suddenly become the truth?!
Steve Holloway: Always good to look at all angles, but no, if this had just been a play between the two they would have thought it out better. We would not have Joran acting and talking so callous about Natalee and other women. There is too much sincerity in Joran about what he is saying during certain parts of the conversation for it to be anything else but the truth (mixed with fiction to make him look better – understanding that Joran doesn’t get what makes him look so bad).
Joran purposely take the blame for something? You’ve got to be kidding. Even in this story it isn’t his fault! Natalee just suddenly starts shaking and dies. Poor little innocent Joran just has the bad luck to be there (why me).
If Joran was just boasting, to me he would have told his “friend” a very harried tale that would make Joran look far more tough than this story did.
People wonder why he spilled to Patrick: Joran’s personality demands someone to look up to while the person respects Joran. Joran knows what a dirt bag he is and has to be one very lonely person since people only want to get close to him to get the story out of him.
Patrick was smart enough to not go directly after the story. He built trust in Joran because he understood that Joran is one needy person.
Was Patrick just in it for the money? Possibly, but at least he has sense to show emotion about what Joran did when interviewed. We know some people can fake emotion, but I was impressed with his emotion on the ABC interview.
Some people have to make money out of everything…
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#12 Firefly,
I agree with you. They were both messed up and an accident happened. Not sure about who Joran called, but it could well have been his father.
FIrefly,
There probably IS a way to authenticate and verify Joran’s call from that pay phone – but the Aruban authorities won’t do it.
Kids… Aruba has known ALL ALONG who did it and what happened. It’s like OJ, it’s been pre-decided that they are not going to prosecute. Period.
Don’t hold your breath. They have no intention of seeking justice.
Another hint from Joran that he is gay…..he keeps saying how 2k have not had girls! He is testing the realm of public opinion to see if someone will say they must be gay.
This shows me Joran is afraid people already talk behind his back that they think he is gay.
I firmly believe it was Paulus who helped him dispose of the body
its been shoddy police work and corruption since it began
Someone needs to step in and clean up the corruption on that island.
there is no integrity and absolutely no justice
For Natalee
I hope Tacopinos career goes into the rubbish can
where that little scuzzy murderer JV belongs as well.
I lost all respect for Greta when she defended this lying creepy killer
to think this Paulus is going to be a judge makes my skin crawl.
Clean up your Island Aruba
the world IS watching
#17 Bullcrap in your attempt to somehow try to equate Joran and Natalee, their condition.
Joran didn’t leave his house until 12:45, on a precious school night.
They had a target and are predators. he’s a rapist and murderer.
Disgusted Mom: Excellent point about how rejected boys react.
I didn’t know Natalee but it doesn’t ring true that she would just decide on the last night to go have sex with someone she just met. I also don’t believe the Cocaine thing but the MB students could confirm or deny that.
Bottom line: I think Natalee was secretly drugged (hence all the drug stories to try to cover that up if her body is found) and I don’t think Natalee willing had sex with Joran. Of course Joran would never admit this in a million years.
Let’s back up to the interview where Peter DeVries was present. He told Joran what he thought happened, Joran not knowing that Peter already knew he confessed on the tapes.
Joran so infuriated he threw the wine in Peter’s face. That speaks volumes. Joran was so po’d that someone could actually call him on it. Joran had been hand coddled by the press and Peter took him on.
Key word in Jorans tapes “POWERS” meaning to me that more than just Papa was involved.
I found that when my kids were younger and trying to lie to me. They would offer up information without me asking. Such as..well such and such told me to do this. And all along it was them. The truth usually came out in those cases and it will here too. His dad helped him cover this up. After all every parent wants to protect their children. I love my kids and want to protect them too. But when it comes to something illegal..no way. My son is in prison right now because I wouldn’t help him cover up something wrong he done. And he is now a better person for it.
Could it be that Lorenzo, who is bellieved to be Joran’s stephbrother, helped to dispose of the body.
Deetch
How long do you think Beth will have to wait for an apology from Renfro? She slandered Natalee, Beth, and Jug.
BTW did anyone else notice that the beaches were also empty during the 20/20 segment?
http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-peter-america.htm
Good riddance! You can keep him!
why dun we just hold a gun to his head, i’ll bet he’ll tell the truth.. or just shoot him immediatly.
I have always thought Joran and his father were involved together…the father’s reaction with the sweating made it obvious. Joran is a teenager and he was with a “stranger” in that he hardly knew-Natalee. His apparent reaction to her medical emergency is not uncommon for those who do drugs and panic…who have something to hide. His lack of compassion for Natalee is something most of us cannot fathom, but I am sure he thought of only himself and his father (and his father’s pending appointment) before he thought of Natalee or her family. I am sure the legal authorities in Aruba have known that this was the likely situation that occurred, but how to prove it is another matter. The only real gap for me is why did one of the Kalpoe brothers go home and wash his car at 3:00 am? I still think there is a connection here.
Apparantely, the payphone did not exist in 2005.
The person who helped disposed of the body is the Aruba police!
Greta and John Kelly pointed this out last night. How else would they have known to ask Beth when she arrived if Natalee had a history of seizures?
THEY ALREADY KNEW!
Firefly…I read on another site yesterday that the payphone he claimed to use had it’s records checked (or however you say that) and it was determined early on to be a lie by Joran…he never used that one.
I do wish the shoes could be found, but no doubt they were recovered and disposed of “properly” soon thereafter.
Since Natalee had asthma, she may only have been having an asthma attack on the beach! Possible the alcohol and GHB (which I still believe) had nothing to do with her becoming “ill” at all.
What we DO know is what has been said over and over again. If Joran had nothing to cover up, he would not have done so. Either he slipped her the GHB and thought she died, or she was simply so intoxicated that he was WELL aware she was in no condition to consent. Saying that, it is clear Joran made certain his female victims would not be in a state to be able to identify him later. Having to “save” Natalee would have ruined his chances of remaining anonymous!
If she were a virgin, it would be clearer still what horrible act he had commit on her. Even if she were not, I doubt she would have memory of consenting and would have said so in the end. So much for Joran saying “she wanted me” after the truth would have been revealed.
In any of those scenarios…Joran was about to be found guilty of something….and he’d rather see a young woman dumped like chum into the sea than take responsibility as a man. (hey Joran, that is something you will never be regardless of your gender)
I’m not saying I agree with what I’m about to post, but I’m going to throw it out there just because….
Why dispose of Natalee if Joran had done nothing wrong?
1. Often times people don’t take even their loved ones to the hospital right away when they’ve been hurt or are sick. We all know we don’t even always take ourselves to the doctor right away when we are sick; we sometimes wait till we see we can’t get better on our own.
I don’t find it unusual that Natalee would have been taken to the VDS house to see if she would come around.
2. There is the issue of who is going to pay for hospital care when a tourist needs it. They would have no way of knowing if Natalee had insurance, and some insurances do not cover care in foreign hospitals anyway, so the bill would fall to the person who brought her in.
Another reason to take Natalee to the VDS house to see if she would be OK.
3. Idiot self centered people sometimes just don’t want the hassle of dealing with someone who holds no value in their lives, so they just get rid of the body. They don’t want to take time out of their plans for something like this. And in Joran’s case, he was about to go to the USA for school and whole new cool life!
In the beginning Joran fans were saying Natalee drowned. Perhaps Joran thought she’d wash up and the drowning story would hold. She didn’t wash up. And she probably should have. So Joran says he got ‘lucky’ to Patrick. However, even Joran is not so stupid to think a coroner would not be able to see quite fast if Natalee drowned or not, so if he was going to use the drowning idea he would have had to done it on purpose knowing full well she was still alive when he dumped her TO drown!
So now we have murder to not have to take time to deal with a sick tourist who needed medical help Joran’s parents might have to pay for and intentionally drowning Natalee….OR Natalee was taken to the VDS compound to see if she’d be OK, and finally we have Joran repeatedly making statements about how Natalee told him she was rich….could Natalee has asked to be taken to the hospital telling Joran her family was rich and could pay the bill? But she was taken to the VDS house instead?
This entire case is so full of possibilities! But one thing is for sure in my mind…Joran has not told the entire truth! More speculation is needed until someone hits on the right mix; then watch Joran and/or Paulus panic!
So what if….Paulus thought in his own mind he was doing the ‘nice’ thing by letting Joran bring Natalee to the VDS house to see if she would be OK? She was still ‘sick’ when Beth got to the island and Paulus felt he couldn’t admit Natalee was in the house because he knew he’d get in big trouble for NOT taking her to the hospital should Natalee succumb to her sickness. Paulus’ decision only made things harder for him to give Natalee back, but he feels ‘injured’ because in his mind he was trying to be ‘nice’ and blames Beth and the ‘posse’ for ‘coming in like Cowboys’ and forcing his hand to have to get rid of a body? Now Paulus thinks Beth et als had it coming so he is giddy that Joran throws wine in Peter’s face! Paulus has convinced himself of what he needs to believe in order to carry on.
I believe it was Anita. Did anyone ever check if she really was in Holland when she claimed she was…
Arrest and charge Paulus. I still believe he is the one that disposed of Natalee’s body or paid to have her body disposed. He has been helping cover for his psycho son since the beginning. He has no time line.
I also still believe it all happened in the Vandersloot home…and that she may have still been in the Vandersloot home when Natalee’s mom arrived. That is why he was sweating so profusely.
Did anyone notice on 20/20 last night how Joran just kept smiling when looking out the window saying…they will never find her. I’m thinking he may have a 666 on the back or top of his head. He is not human.
disgustedmom
Exactly
If it were an accident, even a drug induced, unless that drug was date rape. They could have left her on the beach. Or if Joran, was as he claimed having sex with her, he could have taken her to a hospital, or hell just put her somewhere where she could have gotten help.
Paulus and his premeditated murder charge…..
We can go on with what we know, that has been put out there for us to look at. Bottom line is. Why was there a need to make sure Natalee was never to be found?
Who are the “powers” that help Joran?
# 13: Disgusted Mom,
Ineresting observation. I picked up a gay vibe too! As if Joran was trying to impress Patrick because he had a secret crush on him… Riding around for 6 and 7 hours a day just the two of them? Joran felt a connection to Patrick from the first, “Hey, Murderer!” – Pat’s flirtatious come on. Patrick immediately know Joran would follow him and engage in conversation. Maybe Joran became attracted to Patrick’s bad boy/ gangsta/street wise/butch demeanor. A connection ensued and Patrick KNEW he could reel Joran in.
Interesting observation.
#1, flippy, you may be a lot closer to the actual truth than you think. mos has said he has statements in jvds’ file accusing him of daterape and other mistreatment from girls.
dennisintn
“Powers” is about his mother’s weird Buddhist “beliefs”.
#35, i have no trouble believing patrick when he says of jvds “we have found a new species”.
dennisintn
#29 just a correction about paulus. he all ready knew he wasn’t going to get a judgeship before natalee went to aruba. anita still called him a judge though, so i don’t know whether he had broken the news to his family or not. anita is as big a liar as the rest of the sloots, so she may have known and was just throwing that out as part of the hype of how “special” the family was.
dennisintn
#21 – when is the last time you did a rail of coke? Its not as if you need 5 hours to get messed up on that. It’s not an excuse but rather an explanation that he may have been tweaking; calling the police or an ambulance would not have been on his mind. I don’t think there is anything wrong in comparing Natalee and Joran when talking about their states and how under the influence they were. There is one big difference – Natalee died. Joran didn’t. Jesus, I’d be afraid to call the police if anything happened to someone I was with if I smoked a joint half the size as the one he was smoking in the car.
Bottom line, drugs are bad. Mmmm’k?
#19 dm, i don’t think jvds discriminates in his choice of sexual partners. a doberman of either sex would not be safe around him. especially if there was money in it for him. as patrick said last night “we have found a new species”.
dennisintn
#13 – holy! I never thought about this…..amazingly possible. So much so that it answers all questions.
#12 and 14,
Come on stop defending him…..now you say he could have been messed up and not thinking clearly, but he thought well enought to make a victim disappear and all the evidence. He thought well enough to make phone calls and get help.
He made her disappear for reason…foul play plain and simple. If they found Natalee he would have spent the rest of his life in prison.
Now you want us to believe that he was messed up, disposed of a body and evidence, called his friends to help cover up, and walked all the way home…not buying it and I doubt a honest judge would also.
Also where is it stated that Natalee ever did coke…Did even Joren state this in his confession?
#14 wang, how are the refugees doing this morning? badly, i hope. jvds is still lying. his habit of mixing some truth with his lies and misdirection is continuing. even to someone he considered a fellow criminal, he wouldn’t admit drugging girls, raping or gangraping them, and then killing them. he even lied about who he called for help. jvds is a sociopathic pathological liar, but it isn’t stupid. he wouldn’t admit something that anyone could hold over his head later. as most of us were well able to see.
dennisintn
so smoking a joint caused him to lie ? come on this is just another lie to cover the first lie. he also said that the kalpoes were not involved. i would bet money he said this because he figured the brothers would not be questioned if he covered for them.
the kalpoes know who committed the crime and also what happened to her body. Aruba would be very ignorant not to interrogate the kalpoes along with van der stratten. end this today and convict these criminals. it’s as simple as a kid’s puzzle. just put it together and it’s finished.
#37 Miklo…I picked up on the “Joran was hot for Patrick” vibe too!
#42, jvds wasn’t so messed up he forgot to hide natalee, use a payphone from l00 yds. or more away instead of the cell phone in his pocket, call someone to help him dispose of the body, and manage to get home. natalee’s body had to be hidden because of what autopsy or medical help would have discovered. probable daterape drugs, physical battery, rape, and whatever the real cause of death was. otherwise, he could have just left her where she fell and gone home.
dennisintn
#31 Deetch, we are riding together with this one. Van der Stratten had opportunity, motive and ability to direct the disposal of the body. He is Joran’s God Father so has been close with the family always. He directed the stonewall of the investigation allowing all other evidence to be destroyed. “Your own Father” could refer to his God Father. Even if Joran phoned Paulus, who would Paulus contact to arrange for a speedy disposal!!! Who would have more motive to cover up the crime and attack her family than the Police who were involved from the beginning.
Wang, why post here when you have so many fans on that nasty site you love so much? Joran has lied to the media and to the police from the very first moment. He doesn’t know how to tell the complete truth about anything. He mixes truth and lies because they really are the same to him. He was a callous SOB while talking to Patrick while remembering that night when Natalee died in his arms and he called Daddy to help him dispose of her. Daddy…not Daury. An innocent person would not claim that they actually did have something to do with the disappearance of a girl the whole world (except for a few lame-a$$ people on RU) believes he is responsible for. Intelligent people have said all along that that sick POS was responsible for Natalee’s disappearance (and her death as many suspect), and here he admits it but the Wangs come out of the woodwork to claim he is still innocent of any wrong doing. Are you in loved with Joran or something?
PVDS is and has been trying to try this case out of court since the beginning. IMO. He has coached his puppet delicious sporter to lie and lie again and the latest lie he has coached Joran to say is to exonerate the Kalpoes of any involvment because quite possibly the Kalpoes are threatening to tell what they know about Paulus’ involvment. In exchange for their silence he has told Joran to say the Kalpoes are innocent.
Paulus is the one behind all the lies to test public opinion so he can fine tune more lies based on what public opinion won’t buy from his previous lies.
All My opinion, Natch.
A couple of things:
1. There seem to be enough statements in there where things could be corroborated: the pay phone, Daury, the tennis shoes. It would be great if anyone could update on these matters.
2. I watched Greta last night and almost all thought that it would be impossible to try Joran for homicide. Although I don’t practice criminal law, I think they miss the point: they can prove that Natalee was alive when she left with Joran from C&C, they can prove that she was alive with Joran on the beach, they can prove Joran was the last person to see her alive, they can prove (albeit circumstantially and through his confession) that he dumped her into the ocean.
For some reason, the lawyers on Greta wanted to argue that the prosecutor had to argue that she was not already dead, I think that is wrong, the prosecutor has to argue that she was alive and that Joran dumped her into the ocean, and Joran will have to argue that she was dead as a defense.
I believe that Joran can be convicted of homicide. And I think that if they get any corroborating evidence he will be tried.
John,
Yes it’s the police Joran called or his father, jan van der straaten is the Aruba Dirty Police.
They took care of the body. Hans Mos knows this which to me makes him culpable.
No doubt they still consider this a PR or political problem. What in the hell would Mos be doing meeting with Oduber and Croes?
I think he was telling the truth in that video…He didn’t kill her. Sounds like she liked to party hard…BACARDI 151!!!!! She probably partied too hard that night. Sloot had bad choices but it doesn’t sound like he killed her…Plus he had NO motive. He could have had any girl he wanted….especially girls on vacation with their friends….”easy” would be an understatement.
I find it interesting that Joran referred to his PARENTS, plural. He must surely have known that the suspicion of their involvement has centered on his father. We have been told that his mother was in the Netherlands at the time … whether that ever has been confirmed, I don’t know.
I also believe that he is concealing, or twisting, as much as he is revealing. I don’t believe that the Kalpoes weren’t involved, I don’t necessarily believe that whatever happened, happened on the beach, and I’m skeptical about his account of Natalee’s death.
Nobody has ever found any reason to suggest that Natalee had tried illegal drugs, as far as I know.
Another question: Joran said that “one of Natalee’s friends” told him that Natalee had sexual interest in him.
The Mountain Brook kids have been interviewed already. Has any one of them ever admitted to saying anything of the kind? I don’t think so.
It would be good if Joran would tell us WHICH “one of Natalee’s friends” allegedly said this. I doubt that he could.
Nor did he explain, as far as I know, how far out the boat went with the body. In view of the report that any body released within a few miles of Aruba’s shore would float back to land, I find this suspicious.
Whenever Joran is brought in to police, let’s hope that some of them have enough brains to ask some real questions. Perhaps the four Dutch detectives who interviewed Joran when he was first in jail would like to have another go?
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I’m sorry, but I really think Joran is gay! I think that’s his ace in the hole when he ever decides to come out.
….
That two-timer! I thought his heart belonged
to Guido. When exactly did he start dating
this new guy, Ace?
omg Dennis #40…JVS is proof we are now DEvolving!!
I think Joran panicked when Natalee died I think he dragged her into the bushes and did not use his cell phone to call his father.
I think he walked the 15 minutes home to tell his dad that Natalee was dead. He and his dad drove back to where the body was and knew that
they could take a small fishing boat (small boat) from the dock and go for a short quick ride and drop her in the ocean. They might have broken into Fishermans hut and put her in a cage they wanted her body to sink so that she would not float to shore and they would find she was either soficated, strangled or drugged to death.
I don’t think Joran would have called any friend he was freaked out, I think he zipped home to see his father and Paulus took care of it all with Joran. Joran lost his shoes in the water or one of them.
#54 (st39) … Without corroboration, can they even prove that Joran was on the beach?
The other day, I believe, Tacopino said that Aruba police had found that no call such as Joran describes making had been made from that phone. I remember reading something about that, and believe this is what he said, but may be wrong.
Naturally, none of us gives Tacopino much credit, considering his client. And who knows what the Aruban police might say (other than lies)?
But the ONE bit of Joran’s ‘confession’ that can be proved or disproved has already been shown to be a lie; that is, the involvement of ‘Daury.’
I suspect that a lot more of it is bogus, too.
Joran said she wanted it, she wanted it, meaning sex. Who says that? A rapist. No doubt in my mind he raped her.
The one truth he said was he would never reveal who dumped the body ever and I do believe that.
I honestly after listening to Joran dont think he has a clue where the body was dumped. Paulus very well could have told him the ocean but I dont think joran has a clue.
#56 Stephen…I think he was telling the truth in that video…He didn’t kill her. Sounds like she liked to party hard…BACARDI 151!!!!! She probably partied too hard that night. Sloot had bad choices but it doesn’t sound like he killed her…Plus he had NO motive. He could have had any girl he wanted….especially girls on vacation with their friends….”easy” would be an understatement.
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Stephen sociopath, liar, killers do not need ANY MOTIVE TO KILL ANYONE… Joran has a record of being uncontrollable when angered. He goes into a rage… All it would have taken was Natalie trying to fend him off and he would have immediately taken the upper hand…perhaps he covered her screams so he could enjoy the sexual pleasure of it all…He is such a pervert and animal, cold blood killer does not even care about the victim.
Richard, Do not remember which site I read it on, but one of the translations of Joran’s confession he said the boat “took her out about one mile”. He then went on to say “he was lucky”. Why? Because normally a body would have returned to the shore.
I watched and looked for the 20/20 show and could not find it! What time was it on…I am SO disappointed to have missed this. I do not have cable, was it a cable show only?
Yes, keep in mind Joran said he would never reveal who dumped Natalee in the ocean for him…he said “I will take that to my grave”…
Then the next film segment he is lieing and giving Patrick the name of “Duary”.
I guess he could not give his fathers name Paulus…or was it the Kalpoes he could not give their name because they knew that it was not an accidental death that Joran covered her mouth.
Whichever it was, an innocent person would never have reacted that way to the situation or talk about her in that way. He is vile.
natalee didn’t just “die.”
Let’s be straight, she was murdered.
Premeditated Paulus
#32 brenda….DID Natalee have asthsma?
It didn’t have to be drugs that would cause an attack, if she did. Being very afraid and scared at being raped would do it.
I have always had a notion that Natalee was drugged but not enough so she was able to resist when Joran didn’t think she would be able to. I think this may have led to other ways to dominate her, such as beating and then strangulation. I thought this from the beginning, then when Joran said Natalee took her 151 shot in 2 goes! well, did she really finish it? And did it have GHB in it? Did she only get half way drugged up?
Joran! She didn’t drink it all! That’s why you made that remark about 2 goes…such an insignificant detail because you know she didn’t take the second go but you were so antsy to get going you screwed up!
“something went wrong this time”….translation: the prey didn’t pass out from the drug AND hse didn’t lose her memory of the rape.
Date rape drugs in her system, marks on her from being beaten and/or stangeled and a memory of the event equates to needing to hold onto Natalee for a few days until those evidences were gone. Just another reason Natalee may have been taken to Paulus.
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About cop involvement that night…..think no farther than Van der Straaten. He was probably off duty so could only be a witness. Yet if so, he would be witholding inforamtion about a crime so an internal investigation might cuase him to loose retirement benefits. He takes retirement soon after. Was it early? Or was the decision made in haste? I keep thinking of Drew Peterson taking his retirement so fast after Stacy went missing and experts saying if he had waited to retire until after he had been found guilty of involvment in a crime he would not get his money…..and if he were under internal investigation or an official suspect his money would have been held up….but if he retired before any of that he would be able to keep his money BECAUSE you only get penalized if you do wrong while being actively a cop.
#64 Brenda…no it was not cable but local ABC our way it was on chanel 7.
It appears he was right in trying to cover up her accidental death. Low lifes in the US love to convict a person before any trial has even started. The more everyone continues to create “theories” the more his decision to cover up her accidental death gains credence. There is no evidence of rape, there is no evidence of drugging, there is no evidence that he killed her…hate to be the one to break it to all you, but that = innocent until proven guilty. Our military personel have fought wars and havve died over these rights and all you convincting a man that hasn’t even been arrested is a slap in the face to TRUE Americans.
I think all you bloggers should go over to Aruba and solve the crime.At least you are trying to come up with scenarios.
Its quite obvious the crooked law establishment
over there never will!
maybe no one will ever really know what went down that night
I am thinking like Libby that she did not die on the beach.I think it happened in JVs apartment.
Has anyone ever thought , that since Anita was suppose to be out of the country *maybe* the father was even in on the rape that took place and thats what JV is holding over his fathers head.maybe she was just so out of it they (however many were involved) just took advantage of the situation thinking she would never remember
and thats when she died or something happened and
they knew they had to dispose of her.
just a thought that crossed my mind from the very beginning actually,when Paulus was sweating profusely in the interview and God knows how many others were involved in the disposal of her body icluding Paulus crooked cop buddy
A lot of you have made some excellent points to think about!
you know what though *What goes around comes around* eventually!
#12 #17
Phone records show that the pay phone by the pool was not used during the time Joran said he called his friend. This is another b.s. story. I’ll bet the convulsion happened at Joran’s apartment, while Joran, the Kalpoes and Paulus were all taking turns raping Natalee.
All the projections and theory’s in the world will never get this mystery solved .
Paulus and most likely Anita ( I believe that Anita is a closet Pantie sniffer) also are involved in this knee Deep .
But if it would come to it How many of you think that Paulus would allow his son to sit in prison even for a relatively short time 5 years or more and Not come forward. if he would do that to his own son after the son tried to protect HIM then Joran had better ask him self what type of a man had fathered his sorry a$$ and how much he is willing to take for hiding his secrets .
Even the best prison or Hospital situation would not meet Jorans life needs .
I really think that Paulus had sex with Nat either when she was passed out or deceased to People like Joran and Paulus I do not really think it would really matter SICK I know but just look at these two and the mother .
Justice will still need to be brought to bear from outside the Law I still believe and personally can’t wait for it to happen I also have had serious feelings that a suicide or a hit made to look like one is in the offing but this is just my quirky feelings .
I can tell Beth already knew who was involved, she needed to know what happened to her daughter. I also think she knows that nothing will be done, I think she has resigned herself to that.
God Bless her.
Well, anyone who suffers from Asthma, as I’ve heard in Natalee’s case, would not respond favorably to having her face shoved down into the sand and being held by the throat (A common hold for a rapist). This definitely could have started a cascade of deadly events. Airway is #1; panic and drug OD (drugs slipped in her drink as she was not a “drug user”) are compounded by restricted airway, stress on her heart. Also, vomiting is a common reaction to rape. If he was restricting her about the face and neck, she could have aspirated.
This was an innocent, intelligent girl with a future. She was not going to give her virginity to a loser scumbag she’d met only hours before. At the casino she is showing no interest in him whatsoever and she was not gambling, only observing, which further falls in line with the notion that she was not a drug user, gambler, etc. type of person.
Did everyone see the size of that joint Joran was smoking on the video? I bet he sure makes his fat ass mama proud!
#69…who the hell is convicting anyone…we don’t have those powers. But we are also allowed to have our own opinions…thats another right we Americans have.
You seem to put great value in the words of a proven liar…I don’t. All I know is she is dead and he was the last know person to be with her and he and his cronies made her disappear. Theres usually a reason for that happening.
Didn’t Joran have a cell phone on him that night?
I don’t think Joran’s sexual orientation makes one wit of difference and I think discussion of it strays the conversation and even comes off bigoted. (No, I don’t support the gay lifestyle).
How anyone can argue for Joran’s innocence is just absolutely nuts! He knows far too much to be innocent. It’s not a typical reaction to dump a body in the ocean if you had nothing to do with that person’s demise.
Kalpoes know too much, how did they know there would be anything on Natalee for police to find? How did they know Natalee was dead? If they weren’t actually involved, they received some details, possibly from the conversation with Paulus at the swimming pool, possibly from Deepak and Joran being together the next night.
Joran suggested the bacardi 151, not Natalee and yes, maybe that’s his drink of choice to drug someone with so they won’t know they were drugged but just think it was the alcohol. Natalee did not die of alcohol poisoning – medical experts say that’s just not how it happens and not enough time to kill her.
# 69 How can you even sit there and give any excuse for this piece of crap? For almost 3 years, he has changed his stories, threw salt in Beth’s wounds. What a wicked, sick, cruel individual he is. People just do not behave in the way that the people who have been involved in this cover-up from the beginning have behaved. It’s almost like everyone is saying, oh well, it happened, there’s nothing anyone can do about it and that’s the way it is, so get used to it and live with it.
Bless Beth. All she wanted was to know the truth about her daughter’s last day on this earth. She seems to be satisfied now and her reaction? She has such faith in God, that she knows that his will WILL be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven.
I also believe his days are numbered. You just don’t treat people the way that it has been portrayed that he treats people, by his own admission, out of his own mouth. He has no respect for another human being, is callous, has no emotion, is a totally void piece of crap for a human being. Mark my word, someone will come along and pick him off, just as he did Natalee and that will be everyones revenge. Or hopefully Joran will live in his own Hell, as Beth predicted and he will just go crazy and wither away. Revenge is such sweet horror, especially when all you have to do is sit back and wait patiently.
I agree, Katablog, that anyone who argues against Joran’s involvement must be in cloud-cuckoo-land.
But I’m not convinced that he has told the whole truth, or even most of it.
Having said that, this article points out that so far, only selected clips of the deVries “sting” interviews have been shown. It quotes Arubans as saying that the FULL tapes provide even more evidence of Joran’s guilt.
Also, it says, Dutch police have searched two places in the Netherland (both Joran’s apartments, I believe, present or former) and have seized some kinds of evidence.
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1202202931194200.xml&coll=2
Sharon Chicago (#65): Joran says he will take “to his grave” the name of the person who, he claims, helped him dispose of Natalee’s body at sea … or who did it himself. Accounts seem to differ.
My guess is that this is nothing but more bravado. I can’t imagine someone like Joran protecting ANYONE once he knows that he’s going to be in the slammer for a long time.
(If that happens.)
One of the “talking Airheads” on I believe Greta (swooning for Joran and Taco Joe) van Susteren’s show last night brought up an FBI “302??” report which was said to have provided evidence that ‘Natalee was buying drugs while on the island’. Is this report available on the internet somewhere (I assume it is if the talking airhead has seen it)? I have heard of there being some statements to the effect that the MB kids were buying drugs and that some person or persons had said Natalee was buying. However, I thought the sources for these statements had been largely discredited (for instance one of the sources was the small time drug dealer/beach bum related to Gerald Dompig).
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SM: There is no FBI 302 saying Natalee was buying drugs. It was a PV from an Aruban, most likely paid to give a false witness statement. Some of Greta’s people are idiots, IMO (klaasend)
Remember the night Beth got in Aruba and faced with Joran, she wanted to know where Natalee was and Joran beat his chest and asked Beth what do you want me to do?
#67, Dear Dmom…
“”Since Natalee had asthma, she may only have been having an asthma attack on the beach! Possible the alcohol and GHB (which I still believe) had nothing to do with her becoming “ill” at all.”"
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Just to clarify, above is a quote from my post. It was a long posting, so maybe you misread, but I did indicate drugs may NOT have had anything to do with her having an attack. I did wonder about panic causing this as you mentioned, but did not type that out.
I do not know anyone with asthma. What a scary thing it must be to witness an attack. I wonder if she was truly only unconscious? Can having an asthma attack do that…render one into such a state after the episode has subsided?
No matter what happened, it is clear Joran is always going to be hiding something.
I think we should begin a new saying in English language. From now on when you are having a difficult time…instead of saying “as hard as getting blood out of a turnip”…we should say “as hard as getting the truth from a Van der Sloot”!!!
#69 – And the only TRUE American on this board would be you, right stephen? Trust me chief, we don’t need YOU to tell us what the military has died for. There’s a saying: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”
I remember the lack of common sense arguments back in 2005, the most popular being, “Well, you weren’t there, so how do you know?” And my response would be, “If I drop a rock, I don’t need to look down to know that the rock has indeed dropped.”
Folks, sometimes you just have to keep shit simple.
Another one would be: “A girl drives off into the night with three guys who lie about her whereabouts later? That to me is a clear cut case of foul play.”
All of which would fall on deaf ears.
UNTIL NOW.
Now, they’ve seen their clean cut ‘victim’ reveal himself and they’re bewildered. Even Joe Tacopina didn’t know how to argue his way around his client calling Natalee a “bitch”, “a whore”, and “a rag”.
Even Greta decided to fess up and admit she was duped. To which she also mentioned a prominent public personality in Aruba (can’t remember her name) who Greta described as being publicaly critical of Beth Holloway, who now intends to public apologize to Beth since viewing Joran’s demeanor on tape. He’s not the golden boy afterall.
And as for no evidence of drugging. In Joran’s own words, Natalee was convulsing from what Dr. Bauden said would be a common reaction to a date rape drug. Tell us all about credence. And when your feet are finally on the ground, tell us about how you new the truth all along.
There’s a lot of CROW to go around, and alot of mouths to fill.
For all of those who can’t read, I am Wang CARES. The one on RU is just WANG.
I’m Dutch, she is not.
But google my name and you know why I chose it
Yep, Jerry, justice needs to come from outside the law. It is obvious Aruba / the Netherlands intend to do nothing. They have been covering from the beginning. Paulus is your main perp…followed by his psycho son and his twisted buddies.
There are only partial truths to Joran’s so called confession. I think it gets him off to think he did it…or if people think he did it. He is one twisted ****. I really think it gets him off. He loves the attention. I think someone needs to give him attention alright…with a bat. I won’t say what all to do with that bat.
J2K took her somewhere other than the beach. If it were simply Joran taking her to the beach to “make out”, why did Satish…or maybe Deepak…I can’t remember run back in to C&C’s…after they had Natalee in the car and signal…like they had her. I think that was a signal to come watch…or participate.
J2K took her back to the Vandersloot house. I don’t think it was Joran’s apartment though. It was in the main compound. I believe that because the search warrant was strictly limited to his apartment. The search warrant of the main part of the compound was stopped…conveniently by an official who just happened to be staying at the Vandersloot home that particular day. How ironic.
They took her to the Vandersloot home, raped her….I think she was raped by more than one…including Paulus…she may have started choking on vomit or something causing her to have a seizure or something. That is when they panicked. Paulus rather than call an ambulance…got on the internet and started looking for treatment of an alcohol and drug overdose.
I think Natalee was still there…and maye even still alive the following morning when Beth arrived. That is why he was sweating so profusely. He did NOT expect them to arrive so quickly. He had gotten the funds from the ATM to pay someone off to get rid of her but they hadn’t come to get her yet when Beth was there. I think she either died as a result of the overdose of GHB and alcohol and being brually raped or someone…I believe Paulus…killed her. Paulus then paid someone to come get her or took her himself…”your own father…unbelievable”.
“Justice”…for Paulus and J2K needs to come outside the law.
In the 20/20 report – Peter said that half of all tvs in Holland were tuned in to the report. So that means half of Holland is now informed and ALL of the USA. Since the you folks in Aruba couldn’t watch the Dutch report from Holland, did you all watch the 20/20 report last night? Are you so proud of Joran now?
Anita should be squeezed for information on Natalee’s underwear again. See if she can remember what she told Greta on TV. And, by the way – Anita – how is school? What? You didn’t go. Why not? Everybody looking at your differently? You have no support from anybody outside your house. None. Nada.
What I don’t understand is why everyone is so scared of Joran Vanderscum. He has accused innocent people of being involved, yet no one does a thing! He throws wine in Peter R. De Vries face and everyone stands there as the smug punk walks right out of the studio and no one stops him. What the heck! Joran Vanderscum walks around like he is untouchable! If he accused me of something I did not do, I would kick his a**! He needs to have that smug grin smacked right off his face and for his attitude, I would love to adjust it!
“I don’t think Joran’s sexual orientation makes one wit of difference and I think discussion of it strays the conversation and even comes off bigoted.”
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Agreed Katablog, gay or not, it is not a factor in this case, though I do not believe he was gay. I know several gay men, and most of them love women… they just don’t want to sleep with them.
Besides it doesn’t take being gay to be the misogynistic sociopath that Joran clearly is.
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One thing about what was aired on 20/20 last night that has lingered in my mind. It was said that he got home quicker than he should have if indeed he did walk home. If it were Paulus that he had called from the pay phone he mentioned (or one along the route he walked home), daddy sloot could have picked him up mid route, taken him home and went off to the atm.
I still say the voluntary mentioning of the fact that ‘it was not the parents that helped him’ was very telling. I also agree that the advice given to him about going to bed to rest up for school the next day was more of what a parental figure would give instead of a 25 year old buddy.
Joran can’t speak two sentences without lying. Whatever is most convenient to him at the moment is his understanding of the truth. PVDS is the helper. I think we’ve all been very close to the truth from the beginning. I always felt Joran’s confidence in not being caught meant that one, Natalee was in the ocean, and two, his father and friends in LE helped put her there and cover Joran’s arse. I think that’s been the most popular theory from the start. Hmmm, I wonder wy that is. Could it be that it’s only too effing obvious???? If JVDS is not arrested and found guilty of several crimes against Natalee after his heartless confession, I would say, “bring on the viglianties”.
or better yet…
A personal note to Anita: Are you proud now, mama? You and your sicko sweat factory of a husband have raised a monster. You have known all along and yet you continue to support him and claim 100% faith in his innocense. On top of that, you want money for all the trouble you’ve been through? Why don’t you do all of us and your other sons a favor and just end yours, your husband’s and your sociopath son’s lives. I’m sure many would be willing to provide the gun and bullets, Anita. All you have to do is ask.
Paulus and Lorenzo van Rijn helped Joran cover up his crime.
well said. doesnt matter if he is gay and it doesnt matter if Natalee did buy drugs, it’s irrelevant. she was either killed or suffered a medical emergency and Joran had her elimated from the face of the earth.
-his Daddy took care of it quickly because Anita was in Amerstam eating fries and mayo
-his Daddy pulled the boat close and had joran load it up
-his Daddy told him to get rid of the soaked shoes
-his Daddy told him to go home and go to bed
-his Daddy told him to go to school
-his Daddy told him she would not be found
-his Daddy told him not to worry about where or how he dumped her in the water
-his Daddy said no body no crime
-his Daddy told him to to casino to be on camera
-his Daddy was sweating like a whore in church when confronted
-his Daddy paid for defense
-his Daddy coached him on how to play the game with prosecuters, cops and judges
one question for Daddy…
How did you know there was no body?
I don’t think Joran is gay. I think he’s metro sexual, but that doesn’t explain his behavior. What explains that is the fact that he is a sociopath and feels no remorse or guilt. Everything is about poor Joran. How terrible this whole Natalee Holloway problem came his way. It is so unfair that Beth and others have accused Joran of…of what? Doing exactly what he did! Of course he’s not going to admit to Patrick that he had to use drugs to get into her pants. Of course he’s not going tell on his father for cleaning up another mess.
OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW WHO THE MURDERING F*** IS, DON’T WE?
#45 I doubt there’s an honest judge in Aruba or to sell it to.
#69 – You’re an idiot! Why would Joran be concerned about getting into trouble of a girl dies of a drug overdose and he has done nothing wrong? He wouldn’t. He might worry, however, if the girl were found to have his dna inside her and a blood/alcohol content or other drugs showing that she was not able to consent to sex. Although there is not much blood, there is some when a girl looses her virginity. Is that what was on his shoes?
For the people that think poor little Joran is an innocent boy caught up in a horrible ordeal caused by Natalee and Beth, not only are you ignorant, but the world is in danger if you choose to propagate.
#76 “Didn’t Joran have a cell phone on him that night?”
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He certainly did. And he said at one point he had to walk to use it to call Deepak for his ride home because there was no signal right where Natalee was.(at the FH)
Someone should go check if there is a signal by the FH.
Joran claimed the wind made the signal disappear. I don’t know how that works. Does the wind mess up a cell signal?
All his lies might catch up with him if they can all be rolled into something like…..he was not where there was a cell signal when Natalee was assaulted OR he had more than one phone.
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It’s really hard for a criminal to not want to talk about his own mess. When everyone esle is, he would feel left out of his own party. There is some stuff in what Joran says that is worth thinking about.
He talks about a cell phone you buy minutes for….says how Paulus brought him one in jail…Paulus denies it….could be a lie that Paulus brought him one in jail, but not a lie that he had more than his subscription phone with him the night he ruined Natalee’s life.
Joran IS talking. We just have to learn how to listen.
#73 – I think you’re right. Beth knows what happened to Natalee and I think that is about all she can take. I think she plans on leaving it to a higher power. She needs to for her own peace of mind. She pushed and pushed and now knows what happened to her child. She will of course be greatful should Joran be convicted of the crimes he has commmited, but I’m pretty sure she doesn’t see that happening ever given the history of Aruba in this case.
#74 – Wow. WOOOWWWW. Are you serious???
As an asthma sufferer I WILL respond to this.
Are you all blind?
Who has claimed that Natalee was a virgin. I want a list of people, and reasons why she would state that to that person – I told my parents I was a virgin for a long time after I was not. And if she WAS a virgin…who better to lose her virginity to then someone she is hot for on the beach on her graduation trip in Aruba while blitzed on 151. There aren’t any logical decisions at this point. She is smart but she is tanked, regardless of whether or not she was snorting coke…which JORAN said – they were snorting coke. Yes Joran is a liar. Sure, she died and he did nothing. But blaming all of this on asthma??!? The Aruban police KNEW she had a seizure of some sort. I don’t remember the last time that my asthma has threatened to send me into a seizure.
I agreee totally..If Natalee was sick from alcohol she drink, all they had to do was dump her anywhere, the beach, close to her hotel an alley.. Nothing would trace to get them in trouble. It would be her own fault. One does not hide a body unless there is something on the body to incriminate you. Consensual sex, still wouldn’t get you in trouble.. Trauma to the body from date rape,, yes, or date rape drugs. Joran said we have done this 20 times before.. Hans Mos said they had chat sessions of the boys telling about getting female American tourists and what they planned to do to them.. He said that gave them some idea how they operate.. Deepak says Freddy and Joran usually made the move on the girls when they went out.. and that all of them have been in the same hotel room having sex with tourists. Jaimie says Joran called him that late afternoon to go out to meet some MB girls at CnC.. That was before Joran claims to have even met them that night. Was probably watching them all along. A MB student said Joran almost got into a fight with a MB student and he broke it up. He said when this first happened with Natalee gone, Deepak, Satish and Joran were the first ones he thought of responsible.
Innocent people do not engage in criminal behaviour for no reason.
Steve Holloway,
I don’t know put anything past this group of people.. This group is about as evil as it gets, including the cops who were handling it and the AHATA, add Renfro, Muzzlehoffer etc..
*maybe it went like this
I think Paulus found out what the boys
did with the body while in jail, when he was
cut loose on the 23rd… he found it and
got rid of it. (or maybe just before he was arrested)
I think the boys ditched it temporarily, &
Paulus found a more permanent solution.
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YOU KNOW… I say jail… but what they put
P & J2K in… was no jail! Not if Paulus
could buy and deliver a cellphone for communications
and smuggle it in to Sporter. That thing is more
like a friggin’ country club! People are out in
the backyard kicking around soccer balls,
throwing lawn darts, & playing
footsies and grab ass!
That thing is a RESORT. Give me a break!
…and this is da truth. -jvds
If she just died from a drug overdose
she would have been recovered, I think. Joran &
his dad are trying to beat a rape/murder rap…
trying to beat dropping drugs in her drink
WOULD BE A BREEZE. You have already heard
with your own ears their genuine concern
for our babygirl, Natalee Ann. She was in
dire distress…
What was their ANSWER?
“FUCK THE BITCH, LET’S
LEAVE HER ON THE BEACH AND GO, LET’S GO FAST!”
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They are just ALL HEART, aren’t they?
IT HAD TO BE BIGGER THAN JUST A DRUG. A fatal
wound of some sort… like the head wound Joran
said she received from falling. (and then mysteriously stopped talking about)
Knowing how
he lies… she probably did get it from hitting
the pavement, the small detail he left out was
he punched her in the face. HEY JORAN, F U B&^TCH
You and your father are MOUSE CHIT, YOU ARE F’N
NOTHING!!!!!!!!!! Every dog has its day, and yours
is coming. -j4n
You lie your way OUT of something, not INTO it!
#98 Firefly…sorry about your athsma.
However, just because Joran said seizure…what does HE know? And unless the cops were there when she had a seizure, what do they know? It could have been that she just began an athsma attack that didn’t subside and she eventually stopped breathing…then the shakes maybe started?
Why wouldn’t Paulus have been involved in a gang rape of Natalee? He shared an interest in pornography with his son. He encouraged his underage drinking/gambling. He has experience having gotten Anita the fat pig knocked up. Paulus is the quiet type behind the scenes waiting for his turn to rape a defenseless tourist girl. He probably went last.
Anita, damn…. you need some lessons on how to apply your makeup. Of course, there’s the saying about putting lipstick on a pig and it suits you nicely.
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Hey DM,
Asthma? I didn’t know she had asthma. Can u
post a link to that, I’d like to read it, please.
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SM: I don’t think she had asthma, that’s another internet rumor (klaasend)
JUST WROTE A LONG POST BUT TOOK TOO LONG AND IT HAS DISAPPEARED ..ASKED ME TO DO THE “SUM” ..hey ho. Won’t write it all again but will saY TO #31 Deetch that I seem to recall that JVDS wrote confession and J. Van Der Straaten had it destroyed. Could be that is why they asked about whether Natalee had seizures..they knew what had happened. Hans Mos needs to clean house from the top down but doubt if he has the clout to do it.
I think Natalee ended up at Paulus and Anita’s house with Joran. Didn’t she call Beth on her cell phone saying there were strange people around her that night? Or, has this been disproved?
#103 Carpe said “105-
Hey DM,
Asthma? I didn’t know she had asthma. Can u
post a link to that, I’d like to read it, please.”
Hey Carpe…brenda said it in #32. I asked IF she had it in #67, then talk about it spiraled on AS IF to #103. Sorry to confuse. I don’t know if she had asthma or not.
#85 – My apologies for confusing you with that biotch from RU.
“…and he pounded his chest and said “WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?”
as he called daddy from his cell phone at 2am, knowing daddy would call some friends and take care of it all…”
I was thinking maybe in the car while Deepak was driving away from D&C’s when Joran started molesting Natalee maybe she became sick and threw up in the car or yelled that she was going to upchuck and
Deepak slammed on the breaks and she stumbled head first out of the car to puke some got in the car.
Maybe she puked on Jorans shoes as she tried to swing her head out the window or car door.
That is why Deepak was scrubbing his car so late at night.
I am just doing a theory scenario.
Joran really never said Natalee was convulsing, Patrick made the comment, all Joran said was that she was shaking.
I guess shaking means convulsion?
His father is indeed the one who assisted him with this. I believe some of the details of his fathers assistance came out early and now it all makes sense. Aruba government needs to be punished in some way if they do not handle this the way it needs to be handled. Boycot of Aruba possibly until they come to their senses. Why would Aruba Government not take a good hard look at how Joran is making a fool of them, how he calls the police their stupid? Why is Aruba afraid of Joran? They need to put him away forever….he is evil and a menace to society. He is hated and well, should be afraid of what might happen to him by all the people that hate him now…..better watch your step Joran.
I really dont think Natalee was gang raped with Paulus joining in
Although I do believe that (the that protest to much) Joran gave us the answer to who helped him, Paulus. That why the next day Paul was saying no body no crime repeatedly and looked freaked out during th e first weeks. Remember the interview with Greta where he was sweating like mad. Anita on the other hand acts very much like she is in the dark . After Joran threw the wine she was so apologetic and trying to help I felt sorry for her. I remember how distaught she was in the begining of Natalee’s going missing- she was the only one reacting normally mixed with the fear that her son I believe scared her a bit.
PAck You r bags and leave with your youngest before you go down with the ship
Libby #86, I think your are right on target!
His father was part of the rape and killing. That is why Aruba is afraid of doing anything, they are afraid of daddy sloot and baby sloot. Baby Joran learned how to mistreat women by watching daddy sloot – drug and ‘s**w’ women. I believe the reason he told everything on tape is because he looked up to the guy (kinda like the relationship with daddy). What is wrong with a guy (Joran) to think that he wanted to deal drugs? Calling Aruba police ‘stupid’?? WHAT WENT WRONG WITH HIS UPBRINGING TO CREATE SUCH A UNCARING SICKO THAT THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER? IT WAS ALL PREMEDITATED – HELLO ARUBA….ARE YOU SO STUPID TO LET HIM GET AWAY WITH COVERING IT ALL UP? Why would anyone want to go to Aruba for vacation, knowing they allow murder there? Wake up Aruban Government the Van Der Sloots are making you look like idiot!
The Aruban government will scarifice everything to keep Paulus from going DOWN. Remember Paulus knows all of ARUBA’S DIRTY SECRETS. If Paulus goes DOWN he takes everyone with him including Nelson Oduber and the Dirty Judges – Witt and Smid.
#14 Wang cares:
I’m glad at least one person noticed that every word from the mouth of the alleged king of liars is suddenly the Gospel Truth.
Seeing and hearing the incoherent stoned babblings of a kid trying to impress his tough-guy gansta buddy suddenly makes him believable?
Kudzu and Wang cares – HELLO….(knocking you on your head) – are you both crazy? Someone who is being taped (video and audio) without them knowing it, speaking to someone that they believe are their friend is not going to lie. He feels he is ‘special’ by confiding something that he got away with. He believes that the individual is going to think highly of him because of getting away with ‘it’. Joran wants to do illegal acts – distributing ‘drugs’ and murder is ‘cool’ in his eyes, because he believes he is above the law. Anyone that aligns with Joran is ‘guilty’ in my eyes. His attorney is scrambling now….and well, I hope he realizes his career is down the tubes when he loses the case of trying to defend his sicko client!…..
It sounds like he’s reading a script:
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Make sure you tell them that we had
nothing to do with it… okay?!?!?
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But, Mummy, you know I’m not like that!
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Boycott!
Dirty Judges – Witt and Smid
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have you ever seen photos of these two ?
they both belong in a rest home. I’ve seen
90 year olds that look better.
MENTALLY INCOMPETENT.
Dad van der Sloot & his son Lorenzo van Rijn (who has a boat). His son (Lorenzo) has an Arunban mum (just what Jorans said).
You may not like Bill Clinton but he is a President of OURS and should be treated with some respect.Putting him in the same line as the Spew-Sloot is in poor taste to say the least.Shame,shame.
President Clinton would never drug anyone and leave them to die.
Oh and BTW.Obama says alot of things he could NEVER put into action cause he doesn`t know how.
Experience is only obtained by putting in the time!!
Peace to the Natalee Holloways family and friends.
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SM: No one has to respect anyone for lying. Lying is lying, especially when one goes on national TV and wags their finger in the face of the truth.
When you start making exceptions, that’s when we get in trouble. Then it would be ok to make an excuse for Joran as well. It is not.
Please also understand as we have always done on SM, we make points thru sarcasm.
R
#13 disgustedmom
Joran IS GAY
I also thought the very same thing. The way he leans in to the older man,Patrick.The spew seems to enjoy the touch he gets when Patrick touches his face and notices his facial hair.
I would love to see headlines saying Joran is Gay.He would have a fit and I think every every site like this one should print it Big and Bold.
My gratitude to Patrick and Peter for doing what no one else could………
They wont charge paulas with anything, he has all the dirt on the higher ups.The whole case was solved with in hours and covered up in days!!
Bring in Van Da Stratten he started the cover up,a murder on a tourist island hell no we sweep it under the sand till it goes away.
Firefly and d-mom,
I thought Natalee had asthma, but maybe not??? I really do not know for certain, but it would have accounted for one possibility in her not breathing. As I am sure Firefly can tell us, I do know the attacks can be fatal and that being “very afraid” can bring on an episode.
Firefly…what can you tell us about the shaking? I mean, does that happen to an asthma victim during an attack? Does alcohol effect one with this disease in a way that would cause adverse effects?
I did read a post that mentioned shaking and/or convulsing can occur with a GHB overdose.
Also, as for Natalee being a virgin, only she and any partners she had would know that for 100% (or friends she confided in of course). I was only trying to show that IF she were, what Joran did to her since she was obviously drunk was truly taking advantage of her situation. If NOT, he was still worried his DNA would be found in her. Either way, Joran took advantage of her.
there are alot of very, good posts in here. One in particular I had not remembered is that the police asked whether Natalee was prone to seizures. WOW! No other evidence needs to be put forth to prove they knew from the 1st day they were aiding in a coverup. Even I had hoped they only thought they were covering up an accident and only realized it was not later on. This was obviously not so…they are so corrupt I just cannot wrap my head around that! Cannot understand why anyone would be so cold-hearted.
I just read the transcript from Nancy Grace show with Dave Holloway and he said “Natalee was never sick a day in her life” (I’m sure he meant seriously.) so, I guess we can deduct no asthma.
I have believed all along that Joran gave Natalee drugs and that those drugs mixed with intense alcohol like 151 made her either violently ill or onconscious or worse. The fact that she may not have been dead is a dreadful twist and horrible to think about.
When he said “not my parents” it caught my attention because it was out of place in the conversation. This leads me to believe that he was never ever ever to mention his parents.
I knew eventually he would say something to someone as he’s too arrogant and sociopathic not to…but this was far worse than I imagined.
Who would this kid call for help? His father, of course. This man is a membe of the legal society and deserves to fry with his screwed up kid.
The United States government needs to demand justice for Natalee.
I think Paulus used Joran to pick up girls when his wife was out of town and they both were involved in drugging and raping them. They are both creepy and probably couldn’t get any any other way. But Joran’s behavior shows he really wants to brag about this. He’s a sociopath and will continue doing this to women because he has no conscience.
On Joran possibly being gay…
Some gay men who don’t want to outwardly admit they are gay hate women because they can’t get turned on properly by women.
Other gay men who embrace their sexual orientation actually love and admire women, just not in a having sex with them way. As such, lots of straight women love to hang around this sort of gay man because they know they can be adored and not have to be hit on sexually for it.
There are pictures out there of Joran with females hanging on him, sometimes multiple females at a time. These pictures are of the same style as I’ve seen so many female teens have in their albums of themselves and their friends sitting on laps of gay male friends, kissing the cheeks of their gay male friends, and laughing it up in mock seduction poses. If you just look at Joran’s face in these photos of him with girls it’s apparent Joran is gay. Joran is taking it all in and giving nothing back. That’s a giveaway that he is probably gay.
another giveaway is what I’ve mentioned before….Joran has trouble talking about his alleged sexual adventures with females; he stumbles as if he is making a picture in his mind to draw from that is made up from what he ‘thinks’ it must be like. Even when he talks about what he ‘did’ with Natalee, he talks about it like a 2 year old who just found his wee wee in his diaper using terminology that is way too over-the-top and vulgar. When he talked with Patrick about it he was so silly! Like a kid in a candy store, not like the macho man the world has been led to believe he is.
I mean, come on! If Joran is so experienced with females then why does he make such a big deal of this jello shot like it’s something he has never done before? And he wouldn’t go along with Natalee taking one off HIM! Joran is sexually shy with females and I think it’s because he is gay…but he’s also an angry gay man who hates females whom he thinks might see him as a straight man and want something sexual off him in ‘that way’.
Joran keeps bringing up the jello shot! It is therefore strong in his mind!
I think Joran got pissed off for being put on the spot at CC’s when Natalee asked him to do a jello shot off her. He was embarrassed by it! Embarrassed because he felt he looked awkward doing it because he is gay. I think this triggered his anger toward Natalee when his intention that night was to lure some girls away for others in his gang to end up with.
Then we have Joran calling Natalee a whore….translation: she deserved to be gang raped and wanted it…..and a bitch….translation: she refused to go along willingly after embarrassing Joran with that jello shot performance; she made a fool out of him in front of his friends when she wanted to go back to the hotel instead of doing 1K, so he beat her up and feels no remorse for it.
The psyche of this possible ‘scared to be outwardly gay’ mindset goes much deeper, of course. But simply, I think Joran is gay and gets girls for others and he even admits in his book that he does this for his dark skinned friends who can’t get white American girls on their own because white American girls generally don’t like darkies. I do believe at least 1K was to end up with Natalee that night after Joran lured her off pretending to be a straight guy. I think that’s where the racist remarks assigned to Natalee come in and why Nadira said Natalee didn’t like her black boys. Natalee objected to being handed off.
I would not be surprised to find out Flor was an accomplice to be picked up as Joran’s pseudo date as an excuse to hand Natalee over to 1K. Like, Oops! My gf caught us! Go to ‘dark skinned guy’.
Good Lord! Is this that Daury guy? I’m not sure, but it seems maybe. It’s off that journal link I just posted.
and the inside of that vehicle in some other pics on that link….that guy is driving a car the inside looks like the one Joran and Deepak have been pictured in.
Curious.
http://ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05526.jpg
Picture of a police captian partying with the tourists after hours. (the dark skinned guy)From the link: “This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like “Oh shit, is he closing the place down?”
http://ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
Picture of an Aruban lawyer partying with tourists after hours. (the one wearing the Jerk shirt) From the link: “Here’s us with Scott and Eric, two guys that we met that were originally from Boston. Eric, the guy in the JERK shirt, moved to Aruba for good and is a lawyer there.”
Boston? Wonder if Joe knows him?
http://ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05540.jpg
I can’t really tell anything about shaking with asthma, as I stated I have it but it is not a serious case and I don’t claim to know much about serious asthma. I think anyone can have a seizure and shake – but I think the chances increase if you are polluting your body with chemicals.
This does not explain anything and I think at the end of the day we should all remember that we have no idea what happened, and what happened may never end up being logical (Joran doesn’t strike me as the brightest apple in the barrel).
Maybe Natalee was alive when Joran left to call someone, but was dead by the time they got back and he was afraid that he would get in trouble for not helping her. So instead he allowed someone else to talk him into getting rid of the body.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1528-1157.1996.tb00041.x
VERSUS
“If you have Asthma, can you get seizures from it?…
The answer;
Yes. IF the oxygen supply to the brain drops to low from a severe asthma attack you can have a seizure. Your blood oxygen levels would have to drop to below 70/60′s.”
No one knows if she had a serizure and these are both PURE speculation!!!
His story about dragging the body into the mangroves is an admission of criminal conduct. If someone has a seizure, why be afraid to call for medical help ?
Does anyone else find it odd that when they showed Natalee sitting in the casino, Paulus was sitting right next to her.?
if you missed it on tv ..you can go to the ABC site also…beth and judd are on greta tonight at 10 est
One of the 1st comments made on this blog says what I have believed since early on. It also explains why Joran is so cocky about not getting charged. His godfather was an Aruban official mentioned shorty after the heinous incident who later left or retired (?) I would leave too if I was part of the coverup of what this snot-nosed brat did and now wants to brag about. If it were my daughter…..he would never have children.
To disgusted_mom:
I am a lesbian and find your repeated assertions that Joran is gay, explaining (according to you), his pathological hatred of women, patently ridiculous.
People who murder, gay or straight, do so because they are psychopathic. Not because they’re gay or straight. Furthermore, pathological personalities that engage in “personal” murder (vs murder carried out in the commission of a crime such as robbery) tend to kill sexual partners or would-be partners. Murderers that happen to be gay tend to murder men… male murderers that are straight tend to murder women, straight women tend to murder men, and murderers that are pedophiles kill children. There are notable exceptions of course, but generally speaking, that’s the norm.
If Joran were struggling with his sexual orientation he’d be angry towards the boys he was attracted to (e.g. the beating death of Matthew Shepard by two homophobic boys), not angry at the girls he wasn’t attracted to. He would also have more respect for women because they wouldn’t represent a threat of any kind. He would have no need to ‘conquer them’ by giving them date rape drugs. Which brings up another point… your theory also flies in the face of evidence which suggests he made a habit of doing this to female tourists.
We have no idea if Joran is straight, bi, gay or hermaphrodite… but ample evidence suggests he is straight. There is enough to speculate about in this case without going off on a tangent insisting he’s gay when there’s no proof of that and plenty to the contrary.
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, which is why I didn’t say anything the first three times you made this point. But I’m getting a little disgusted myself now.
As for this case, it seems clear to me the person Joran would “never give up” was Dad (“Vader” in Dutch). When Patrick pushed, he had to throw out a name. Funny how he thought of a D-name when “Vader” leaves such a strong d-sound on the mental palette.
I read that a witness found a broken cell phone, fixed it, and when dialed numbers on the phone, it called Joran’s father. If true, then we likely have Joran calling Daddy for help. Most kids when panicked, their first instinct is to call their parents – people who love them unconditionally and have the power to protect and help them. (power to protect in this case – Paulus)
Second, why would Joran have to dispose of his sneakers? Physical evidence! There was either Nat’s blood on his shoes from falling, cracking her head, seizing, and bleeding all over them. Or, she vomited (likely) and the date rape drug would have been contained in her vomit. Joran said if her body would be found he’d be screwed. That’s knowing her body was in the ocean. I don’t think he’s worried about semen. That would logically have been washed away. But, perhaps her remains would yield evidence that there were date rape drugs in her system.
Third, when Nat was leaving the bar with the three, her friends were trying to get her to leave the car. They saw her making a decision that was out of character. They saw danger. They knew she was making decisions that were unusual and it concerned them. One way or another, she was under the influence of someone or something.
I, too, believe that Joran is likely covering for his Daddy – naming someone after saying he’d take their name to the grave. I think he’s covering for his Daddy. I think Paulus is way more involved than the ALE would ever let on. Further, I’ve always thought that the ALE is corrupt. I’ve always thought that somehow Joran helped with drug distribution on the island and that palms were being greased all over in regards to law enforcement. I think the ALE knew far to well that Joran had the power to get drugs out there and also needed them. I think ALE knew that with Paulus, Joran had the power to “get things done” with drugs – use and distribution. ALE may have gotten kickbacks. I think the ALE protected the Van der Sloot family from the beginning.
Next, I think if enough pressure was now put on the Kalpos they’d likely crack. Especially if they thought that they’d be helping to convict Joran and clear themselves. They have to be affected by the release of De Vries tapes. I’ love to hear “real” statements from them now.
The math question is dumb and does not work
To #139: I wondered too why the Kalpos didn’t crack to protect themselves too, but Aruba is a small island and Joran’s family carried a lot of weight.
Paul a Judge, and Joran’s Godfather a detective — in charge of this very crime until he “retired.” The Kalpos knew there was a cover up. Who’s to say they weren’t afraid of being targeted themselves (perhaps they were threatened for all we know), or even framed? If not out of fear, it is also very possible Joran left a lot of the truth out of his confession. It could be that all three boys took part in crimes against Natalie before they left Joran alone with her. Or perhaps the Kalpos used GHB on girls themselves with Joran in the past, and they’re afraid of their own past behavior coming out. It’s hard to say, but I can see them being afraid of the VDS’s, considering how they dumped Natalie and just assumed it would “blow over” as if murder is no big deal when you are protecting your own.
I have suffered from severe (yet controlled) asthma my entire life. In my experience, asthma attacks look more like hyperventilation than seizures.
When I have been drinking a lot (or in the days after drinking heavily) I very often have a harder time breathing. I am not sure what in the alcohol does it, or how it alters your blood chemistry, but booze can defiantly exacerbate asthma. If she had been drinking for days–like most kids do on their senior trips–I wouldn’t doubt it if she had some difficulty breathing by the end of the trip. Add that to smoky bars and you are pretty much going to have tighter chest sensations. It doens’t mean that you can’t still go out and party–it just feels like your chest is tighter.
Your blood oxygen has to dip REALLY low for you to have a seizure.
My guess is that she more than likely was having some impaired lung function due to the alcohol and was possibly drugged with something else. Extreme stress (as would happen during a rape) can also cause seizures.
My theory on the whole thing is that JVDS and NH were engaged in some sort of sexual activity on the beach (consensual or otherwise) when she began to seize. This is kind of gross, but when most people have grand maul seizures they usually defecate themselves. I think this probably happened and either pissed JVDS off or panicked him. I think that JVDS hit her, kicked her, or did something to either kill her or make him think that he killed her.
I think that he hid her body in the mangroves and then walked home and got his dad to help him hide the body. I think that whoever dumped the body also dumped the shoes.
I don’t think that the body was ever taken back to the VDS house and I don’t think she was gang raped. Especially not by a father/son. Gang rape is a really vicious crime but not one that is usually committed by parents along with their children. I am sure someone out there can find a counterexample–but I am just saying that it is not a very common type of sex crime.
JVDS is certainly culpable for his actions–whether a court can prove it or not remains to be seen. I think that if you just give it time that the truth will come out.
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SM: Natalee did not have asthma (klaasend)
If this has already been posted, apologies.
A link to a message that discusses Joran’s taped confession against Deepak’s email, as analyzed by Dr. Hodges who wrote “Into The Deep.”
http://tinyurl.com/3y8438
No doubt that Joran is gay. I can spot them from a mile away. He is a fag…he just has not admitteded. H,,,… I wonder if he would go ut with me. LOL!
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You can all speculate for however long you want… in the end joran was NEVER charged with natalee’s disappearance and NO EVIDENCE was ever found to connect him to it.
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SM: Never, say NEVER.