Joran Van der Sloot Says … HE LIED … WAS BRAGGING!!! about Involvement in Death of Natalee Holloway



Once again we will state the obvious and what we have said from the very outset of this case … AN INNOCENT PERSON NEVER HAS TO LIE!!!


Take a good look Aruba and the rest of you who have been defending the actions of Joran Van der Sloot. Those who have vilified Natalee’s family and blamed them for her death and saying some of the most vile things; take a good look at the basket you have put your eggs in.

Joran Van der Sloot is now using lying as a defense in his involvement in the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Once again, when the rubber meets the road, Joran Van der Sloot says, he lied.

Now Joran Van der Sloot is is stating that he lied on the secretly recorded audio and video tapes where he is saying that he was responsible and had involvement in her death and disappearance. Van der Sloot states he was bragging. You were bragging about the death of another person, what kind of sick individual are you?

Van der sloot family AP

What must your parents and your attorney Joe Tacopina think of your actions. They have all but gotten you off of an obvious murder and complicity in Natalee Holloway’s death and their little boy, who obviously cannot be controlled, could not keep his mouth shut. Has it ever been more obvious between wine throwing, past acts in his childhood and now this, Joran Van der Sloot was never controllable.


(So Joran, where are your shoes?)

There is one very important fact not to be over looked when viewing these up coming audio and video tapes from Peter R. De Vries involving Joran Van der Sloot … Joe Tacopina, Joran’s parents, and Joran can never say the tapes are fake. By Joran’s now attempt to diffuse his getting caught by a friend who was wired and stating that “he was lying”, Joran has admitted the tapes are authentic.

Greta Van Susteren Discussing with Jossy Mansur: Joran Lied

(So Greta, are you still inclined to believe him?)



If you liked this post, you may also like these:

  • Daury Rodriguez, Named Joran Van der Sloot Accomplice Denies Involvement in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
  • Natalee Holloway Investigation: Joran Van der Sloot Attorney Joe Tacopina Loses His Mind Trying to Defend Joran Van der Sloot
  • Natalee Holloway Disappearance: Aruba, You Have Bet Your Future Tourism on a Liar Named Joran Van der Sloot
  • Han Mos, Aruban Chief Prosecutor Requests Joran Van der Sloot be Arrested on New Peter R. De Vries Evidence
  • In Aruba … When a Prime Suspect (Joran Van der Sloot) in a Murder and Missing Persons case Confesses … They Let him Free

  • Comments

    63 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot Says … HE LIED … WAS BRAGGING!!! about Involvement in Death of Natalee Holloway”

    1. Susan on February 2nd, 2008 7:28 pm

      Natalee Holloway’s mother says she can begin mourning

      Reported by: Associated Press
      Last Update: 2:10 pm

      THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) –

      Beth Twitty, the mother of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, says that she’s now convinced her daughter is dead after watching hidden camera footage of a Dutch student allegedly acknowledging involvement.
      She told a Dutch newspaper (De Telegraaf) in an interview published Saturday, “I can let her go now and begin mourning,”saying the one percent of hope she had that Natalee was still alive is gone.

      Joran van der Sloot yesterday denied that he had anything to do with Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba in 2005, saying he lied when he told someone privately he was involved.

      Van der Sloot was interviewed by the respected Dutch television show “Pauw & Witteman” following reports that crime reporter Peter R. De Vries had captured him making statements about the case.

      That interview is expected to be released Sunday.

      It was not known whether Twitty had heard of Van der Sloot’s denial before she spoke with the Dutch newspaper.

      Twitty, who is in the Netherlands at De Vries’ invitation, was not available to speak today, according to Peter Schouten, a spokesman for the crime reporter’s show.

    2. Arubaanse on February 2nd, 2008 7:31 pm

      He should come and visit my grandma..She will beat the truth out of him. achhhhhhh such a dumbass.
      OK, i’m off to bed now.
      Bye bye

    3. Richard on February 2nd, 2008 7:41 pm

      If anyone were so obtuse as not to grasp the almost superhuman decency of Beth (and Dave), consider her statement in the deVries video:

      “What they did to Natalee … what they did TO THEIR COUNTRY.”

      Contrast that with the statement of Paulus, Anita, and of course Joran of the Ditch: We couldn’t care less about a boycott of Aruba.

      Well, folks, those of us who have been pushing hard, over the last two years or so, for a voluntary boycott of Aruba seem to have allies in the van der Sloots. They provide the best rationale that anyone could want.

      They, and the Aruban government cover-up.

      Let’s be friendly, and do our best to oblige them.

      Show up at the Boston and New York trade shows, or if you can’t, please consider supporting those who can and will. Let Vicki know. Let your legislators know. Help us let Aruba Tourism Authority know … no backing down from us. Ever.

      Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line.

      Spread the message. Stand up for Natalee! Hell, just stand up for decency.

    4. maryd on February 2nd, 2008 7:52 pm

      Joran you are an honest, mature, compassionate, handsome young man with a great future ahead of you… Ooops, guess what “I lied”!!!

    5. Betty on February 2nd, 2008 8:00 pm

      I just went on Andrew Hodges (Forensic Thoughtprints) and it has been updated

    6. lisa on February 2nd, 2008 8:04 pm

      Can you imagine Joran trying to say he ws bragging. To whom ” John Wayne Gacy”. The boy is an idiot and to say that he had sex with her and then sshe got sick and died. Dear Neanderthal boy , it is rape when you are so fu*ked up that you die minutes later. Rape! Sorry denying medical attention and then helping to throw a body in the water is murder.MURDER I dont care about ARUBAN laws. YOU ARE A MARKED MAN.

    7. 10061906 on February 2nd, 2008 8:18 pm

      I just read Doctor Hodges latest remarks and he is wrong on at least one issue. The Gottenbos’ moved to Dacula Georgia and not back to Holland. As far as we know; Keon is in Holland. Sander is in Ga with the other Mama and Papa.
      I got ripped on SM for posting their address in GA.

    8. david r on February 2nd, 2008 8:30 pm

      Bring him back to Aruba and throw him in jail. De Vries got his sweet, sweet revenge !

    9. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 8:42 pm

      What I want to know is who is the friend with the boat??? The Kalpoe brothers don’t have a boat. Bet the Kalpoe brothers helped transport her body in thier car which would explain the early morning car wash. Is the friend with the boat Joran’s cousin perhaps??? This is pushing it full tilt if they put them back in jail someone’s gonna sing.

      Maybe we will live to see JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

    10. Scared Monkeys on February 2nd, 2008 8:44 pm

      This coward … Little Sporter low life coward begged that he wanted a trial … guess what you piece of garbage … you might just get your wish.

      Still want that trial Joran?


    11. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 8:51 pm

      Joe Tac: non toccare questo, non è valsa la pena di denaro. capishe?

    12. Poochy on February 2nd, 2008 9:01 pm

      August 8th 2005


      Suspect was once again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy. The suspect was informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe’s car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut. He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location. The suspect did not respond.

      July 08, 2005

      On your question if I walked later in the night time hours with the guard “CANCHANO” to the swimming pool, because CANCHANO saw two unknown men under a hut, I will tell you that I no longer remember this. I also no longer remember at this moment that CANCHANO at that moment had told me to look out for “M”. (With CANCHANO the witness “J. CANCHANO” are meant; observation JACOBS)

      On the same day around 02.30, I saw that “M” walking with the slim white man from the northern direction to the direction of the “Marriott Hotel” met and with the slim white man stood under a hut. I must note that at this same moment a group of the American students came naked out of the water on the sand and were putting their clothes on.

      On your question if I know the man nicknamed “G” or “J”, who is regularly at the Holiday Inn hotel, answer I you no. On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.

      The couple must specifically say who they had reported this to. You must ask this also of the other guards. I did not hear it from the other guards either. The guards names are “Ramon”, “Campo”, “Arroyo”, “Perez Ramirez”, “Stewart” and “Canchano“ had night shift at the Holiday Inn Hotel.

      This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer them.

      S. RENESKA

    13. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 9:03 pm

      To all Scared Monkeys, Mama & Papa Sloot, Mr. Tacopina, Mr. De Vries & most of all Han Mos ~


      Bet Tacopina’s hittin the anti-acid real hard these days! (Hey Joe, if you send me your address I’ll stock you up on Rolaids. Looks like your gonna need them)

    14. Sharon Chicago on February 2nd, 2008 9:09 pm

      If Aruba does not do something with that murderer they are finished and should go into the cement/sand business instead of tourism.

      Everyone around the world has this latest information on Joran’s confession. Aruba must be
      pulling their hair out especially with Joran’s phone conversation saying he lied.

    15. Sharon Chicago on February 2nd, 2008 9:14 pm

      What evidence could be found if the Persistence finds the crab cage that they put Natalee in.
      Would there only be her clothing left and no trace
      of Natalee? Hard question but was curious from a forensic standpoint what can we expect?

      If they would have wrapped her body in a blanket or plastic would that have helped prserve her body at all?

      I hope noone is offended by these questions, I am just thinking on what additional evidence we might have against Joran.

    16. Betsy on February 2nd, 2008 9:14 pm

      I agree with Dr. Hodges; the Kalpoe boys are not innocent in this rape/murder. Hodges says that confessions are normally partial truths with lies too. Kalpoes were seen with Joran at 2 am by the Racquet club. Kalpoes vigorously scrubbed their car top to bottom upon returning from the attack on Natalee and they were included every step of the way with Paulus in the cover up.

      This was a 3 on 1 scenario from start to finish. Let’s everybody keep your eye on the ball this time. Joran has led us down his trail of lies many many times.

      The boat participant will be discovered. Joran will make certain he does not go down alone for his crimes. He will reveal the others in good time.

    17. katablog on February 2nd, 2008 9:15 pm

      Tacopina was on Geraldo yelling his head off. Someone should warn him that much stress is bad for the heart – oh wait a minute, that only applies to someone with a heart.

      Joran’s confession is some reports is not about another person and a boat, but that he himself walked out into the water with Natalee’s body. Guess we have to wait until tomorrow to find out which scenario he really gives.

    18. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 9:17 pm

      Greta is sounding and acting more like Rosie O’Donald every minute. She has some audience but uses her access to bridge odd conclusions.

      I do find it ‘strange’ that her slant and defference is always towards Joran and Joe Tac. Dissenting opinion is certainly a right, but to repeatedly defend someone who has been proven to have lied to YOUR FACE, brings distrust to the table of judgment.

    19. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 9:25 pm

      when Joran finally coughs up certain truths, I think several to-date-unnamed people will be indentified for involvement in affairs & enterprises that would have been best never been uncovered. Aruba’s 10 dirty secrets will be aired for all the world to see, and Joran will become history.

      Compared to the memeory of Natalee, Joran will never be more than a footnote.

    20. andy on February 2nd, 2008 9:27 pm

      so is the guy with the boat also going to be arrested, that’ll put put the nail on jorans coffin

    21. Poochy on February 2nd, 2008 9:28 pm

      Snippet from Dr. Hodges blog forensicthoughtprints dot com:

      Additionally and very importantly, two of Joran’s best friends (Koen and Sander Gottenbos) had a speed boat moored in the Marriott marina next to Fisherman’s Huts. Sander admitted in a police interview that he offered Joran a ride in his boat the day of Natalee’s disappearance — connecting Joran to the boat that day. Extremely strikingly, the day after Natalee disappeared the Gottenbos family removed the boat from the water (after the boys had used it in the ocean for a long time several days a week), sold the boat not long afterwards, and moved back to Holland within the next year. (Thoughtprint decoding of Sander’s police interview strongly suggested he was involved in disposing of Natalee’s body and very guilt ridden.)

    22. Sahara on February 2nd, 2008 9:50 pm

      Greta has posted some trash story on her blog that pissed me off so bad that I will have to go throw darts at my Joe Taco face dart board!

      Some friend of Beth she is!

    23. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 9:54 pm


      thanks – that’s really interesting. I’ve not read forensicthoughtprints it looks like I have some reading to catch up on. It could very well be what you are saying here is true. Guilt is a powerful thing “for some people”.


      You know sometimes I think Greta just plays the Devil Advocate to get a good story. I mean after all she is just a media hoar. Her bottom line is about getting the story, truth, lies, reputations and who gets hurt aren’t on the menu for her. She’s in the media now not the courtroom. Big difference.

    24. 10061906 on February 2nd, 2008 9:59 pm

      11 se mia capishe; Bob Do we know that for sure? Joran had a trust fund set up for donations that Joe I think was the administrator. He sure acts like there is money involved. I stll can’t undertand why that a$$hole has not been censured by the NY bar. He can’t practice on Aruba so why is he defending Joran or better yet how?
      Maybe he was promised a big $ bonus once Joran walks away permenantly. He can’t be doing it to improve his credibility or win clients; that is for sure.
      Joe still reminds me of caca. capisha

      21 poochy: Remember when Michael Dompig “lied” according to his father, when they arrested Geoff. Michael also said that Joran had been on the Gottenbos boat the night Natalee disappeared.
      Then dumbpig tried to blow it off as a misunderstanding between teenage friends. Yeh Right and I just saw the queen’s underwear: yuck.
      Remember Sander’s statement: He would put his hands in the fire for Joran. Perhaps he did.
      PS it was Dacula Georgia not Holland.

    25. 10061906 on February 2nd, 2008 10:03 pm

      lisa 23; Remember Greta and her husband were temporarily disbarred in West Virginia when they were lawyers there a few years ago.
      Look up John P Coale.
      By the way that is her husband.

    26. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 10:03 pm

      Official Results just in:

      A polling of average U.S. citizens across America has just been released. It was announced that Joran Van Der Sloot has risen to the #3 spot on the top 10 most hated people in the world list. Joran was only beaten by Osama Bin Laden and Adolph Hitler (deceased). Each of the 3 top people achieved that status due to their documented depraved indifference to humanity.

      The Van Der Sloot’s were unavailable for comment, as Saturday is their bowling night and Paulus was focusing on a new frame. More to come.

    27. TJ on February 2nd, 2008 10:04 pm

      .22 Sahara

      Everyone is pissed at what Greta posted. Alot of monkeys have posted comments there.
      You may want to add her photo to your dartboard.

    28. 10061906 on February 2nd, 2008 10:07 pm

      25 change that to disiplined not disbarred; I was thinking of what I would like to see happen to Mr Tacopina.

    29. diver on February 2nd, 2008 10:11 pm

      #15- Sharon asked: What evidence could be found if the Persistence finds the crab cage that they put Natalee in. Would there only be her clothing left and no trace of Natalee? Hard question but was curious from a forensic standpoint what can we expect?

      I am a diver and I can tell you for a fact in that part of the world even in deeper water enough of the body would be preserved to make a positive identification of the person, even if the body were in deep water for years and years. Beyond that any other forensic evidence would be difficult.

    30. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 10:15 pm


      You’re just too cool! What are you thinking about the friend with the boat?

    31. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 10:18 pm


      I think her husband may still be practicing law. I may be wrong?

    32. Carpe Noctem on February 2nd, 2008 10:45 pm
    33. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 11:02 pm

      Lisa #30, I have had boats all my life of one size or another. As a matter of fact, where I live, I am surrounded by water. I remember a short 16′ speed boat I had some years ago that was powered by a modest 35hp Johnson. It was nothing fancy, but once wind subsided in the evenings, and the top water was fairly calm, she would have NO PROBLEM scooting 10-15 miles and a good clip to boot.

      I monitor the Persistence blog every day, and note that they have made mention several days about working the grid where fisherman refer to as “don’t go there”. It’s rough. What I don’t know is if the top water, currents, and wind curves are the same in January as they might be during the month period Natalee went missing. I think John S and the boys have taken that into consideration.

      I don’t see a problem “if” Joran called a “friend” and the 2 of them loaded Natalee into a metal trap, and the 3-4 of them powered out. The boat could take it, the motor (I don’t know how many HP) should also be sufficient to move the weight. After dumping the trap, the boat would be lighter and return to shore would be a piece of cake IMO. The strenght of currents and wave rolls change with the moon and seasonal currents. I don’t know which boat they used or who owned it. The speculation of “knowing” has been bantered many times on S.M. Still, we won’t know more until the probable suspects are sweated.

    34. Patti on February 2nd, 2008 11:10 pm

      The bones could tell alot. They could tell how the person died. How many injuries there were. The type of weapon and could even tell us what may have happened after death.


      He’s a Liar….

      Not ONE WORD of TRUTH….

      not yet.

      Question is: How important is it to the Dutch to keep him quiet? He keeps returning to their corner, as if for protection; afterall, that’s where all the “sporters” go to school.

      Say Byeeeeeei Byeeeeeeeeeiiii!


      The one thing that keeps CALLING me is the “Difficult DNA TESTS” that the Dutch were investigating…

      SOIL from the ROCKS?!?!


      Hey Queen Bea, My Lovely:

      Please step back from the mirror and please do tell your people that you would not support an island of scavagers feeding upon people. Whether they be from Columbia, Venezuella, Brazil, Honduras, Bolivia, Germany, U.S.S.R. or the old Soviet Block.

      Please, do tell… Human trafficking whether for sexual purposes, domestic purposes or religious purposes, YOU do not CONDON IT!

      Be a Leader!


      Or the bones shall rise, again!


    35. Patti on February 2nd, 2008 11:19 pm


      Don’t you think it’s time for another uprising?

      The POWER of our God, is indefinate…

      Just as is his ANGER…

      The Nations will know!




      Queen Bea?!?!?!?!




    36. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 11:24 pm

      diver #29

      agree with your comments 100%, DNA is cleansed after a long period of time in salt water. I don’t care for the subject, however……if Natalee’s remains are located in cold water, we need a forensic expect like Dr. Michael Baden to autopsy what is recovered. The man is like God…he knows whatever needs to be known. I have considered that larger deep swimming preditors most likely would not be able to enter the trap if it was constructed as how I might imagine, but there are other creatures that feed on the bottom. (Sea worms) Sorry ladies. Still, whatever might be recovered would be a plus. If I might, a perfectly true event:

      The family who lives next door to my son had a full funeral 9 months after 9/11. The husband worked at Cantor Fitzergerald in the Trade Center. NYC Forensics called the wife one day that they identified a portion of her husbands remains and she needed to travel into NYC to retrieve it. They used DNA to identify thousands of remains found in the rubble. The woman was handed a 2″ piece of bone in a container, and that’s what she buried. She was greatful since it brought her some measure of closure.

      I hope Beth, Jug and their families have the same good fortune.

    37. Patti on February 2nd, 2008 11:26 pm

      Just one more comment: I do enjoy the way the article was written. Joran saying that he was just bragging. Perhaps he was. The first confession came from hours of threats of self-destruction… June 8, 2005. The night of the “New Moon”, he could not live with himself.

      If find it difficult to believe that a boink on the beach resulting in a death by overdose is quite common in those parts… is that something that Oduber would describe as “embarrassing” enough to drive away the island’s tourism and make it lose its’ reputation.


    38. Patti on February 2nd, 2008 11:35 pm


      Just one more comment: I do enjoy the way the article was written; Joran saying that he was just bragging. Perhaps he was. The first confession came after hours of threats of self-destruction which resulted in 24 hour Suicide Watch…

      June 8, 2005.

      The night of the “New Moon”.

      Joran couldn’t live with himself.

      I find it difficult to believe that a boink on the beach resulting in a death by overdose is not common there… People are found dead of over-doses all the time, on the beach. Is that something that Oduber would describe as “embarrassing” enough to drive away the island’s tourism and make it lose its’ reputation?!?!??

      Besides, What was Charles Croes doing there while Joran was boinking Natalee? The whole story is rediculous…

      They’re sacrificing Joran…

      His ACT is over.


    39. Sharon Chicago on February 2nd, 2008 11:37 pm

      #29 Diver…Thanks much… I was wondering since someone else had mentioned there would be nothing left to her body…glad to hear there would be.

    40. Bob on February 2nd, 2008 11:44 pm

      It’s one thing for a country’s leader to make mistakes in politics, economic planning, health care, taxation issues, even unpopular public religious stances that piss off citizen’s.

      And then there’s Oduber, who single handidly displayed to his citizens, governmental staff, and the world at large what a true embarrassment sounds like.

      Very reminiscient of a private secret click that is in “control” of nothing or no one, and makes snide remarks that is hoped to bring applause from weak minded and spineless lackies.

      Even Iran’s leader chooses his words more carefully. That whole nest in Aruba needs re-training. Psssssssssssst! Got tourist problems?

    41. Patti on February 2nd, 2008 11:47 pm


      I agree, there would be alot.


      There may even be flesh.

      However, it will be the bone that will

      tell Natalee’s story.


      Justice for Natalee!

    42. Lisa in Maryland on February 2nd, 2008 11:51 pm

      Patti #37,

      I don’t think it is Joran that Oduber is trying to cover up as much as what Bob mentions as Aruba’s 10 dirty secrets (see #19).

      After this I think they are going to have to stick a a fork in it cuz it’s real close to being done. Let’s see what the next 24 hrs. brings.


    43. weasel on February 3rd, 2008 12:03 am

      #29 wondering since someone else had mentioned there would be nothing left to her body…glad to hear there would be.


      in some parts of the world, yes there are certain organisms which would leave nothing left of the actual body, including bones. But not in the Caribbean. The organisms/conditions do not exist there. They do exist in more temperate ‘colder’ waters, much further from the equator.

    44. lisa on February 3rd, 2008 12:08 am

      Another Lisa in Maryland.

      I stopped watching Greta Von Ratings Whore when she interviewed JOran and suddenly believed him. All the facts just became non important. She and Beth’s relationship was never the same.

      PLUS she had Mayor Martin O Malley on several times and she and her husband were big contributors and look how that turned out. We will be taxed soon on blogging LOL

    45. Bob on February 3rd, 2008 12:13 am

      There was a ‘manifesto’ about ARUBA, it’s dirty secrets, and shocking history of it’s drug lords, etc. It was published in 1997, is some what long, but RIVETING to say the least. You will recognize certain names, and it might shock you. I recommend you save it in your PC’s favorites, and read it with a strong cup of coffee. Here’s the link:

    46. lisa on February 3rd, 2008 12:33 am

      Another Lisa in Maryland.

      I stopped watching Greta Von Ratings when she interviewed JOran and suddenly believed him. All the facts just became non important. She and Beth’s relationship was never the same.

      PLUS she had Mayor Martin O Malley on several times and she and her husband were big contributors and look how that turned out. We will be taxed soon on blogging LOL

    47. Lisa in Maryland on February 3rd, 2008 1:24 am

      Hi Another Lisa in Maryland,

      I too am not a fan of the Teflon Leprachan. Go figure that Greta would back him. Not much left that he hasn’t screwed up or taxed and I’m sorely afraid we’re in for more with him as Govoner for the next few years. Maryland has definately seen better days!

    48. brie on February 3rd, 2008 1:47 am

      Why can’t Natalee’s body be recovered….if she’s in the crab cage we could find her…or was she just dropped off to sea with a weight…???

    49. Ray on February 3rd, 2008 3:18 am

      I believe Greta is so stupid that we can sell her the Golden Gate Bridge. How could she believe a word of what joran told her. I could use the money from the sale.

    50. sjac on February 3rd, 2008 7:39 am

      It is sunday morning now, and Joran has not even been arrested. Aruba prosecutors have not even decided how to follow up. They are waiting for the broadcast which is due tonight.

      Anyway, you all sure you’re no racists yourselves ? Why keep hammering on the Kalpoe boys ?

    51. Scarrlett on February 3rd, 2008 7:46 am

      Thanks SM for never backing down and staying with the Holloways.
      The horrid things they have to endure and listen to about their missing daughter is disgusting!!!

      I think people are jealous of Beth because she is good looking and has that southern way about her. I have NEVER doubted her love and determination to get to the truth.
      Dave as well,has his own hell.Men sometime have a harder time with powerlessness but,he has been vigilant to the cause and continues to search.What great parents they are.God Bless Them.

    52. Bob on February 3rd, 2008 9:59 am

      brie, the “crab” cage has been described as a heavy metal/steel-like container. It’s weight alone, even w/o 100 lbs of contents would be enough to sink it to the bottom. Depending on currents and movement of mid-water, an object does not always sink straight down. Think of the Titanic, or other vessels. Once they break under the surface, they may actually settle to the bottom sometimes mile(s) away. Then as time goes on, currents “could” move the cage even further, possibly.

      Since the exact drop off location of the cage is unknown, the Persistence must sonar scan miles of seafloor in workable grid sections. The seabed is loaded with rock, rotted sunken vessels, reefs, etc. These “blips” must be found, plotted, and the largest “vessels” eliminated as non-high value targets. It is painstakingly slow, and extremely difficult.

      Their choice to drop Natalee into “deep water” would be the smartest move, and the boat suggested to be involved with the deed would be capable IMO, but….were the killers that smart at the moment? That’s debatable.

    53. katablog on February 3rd, 2008 11:06 am

      Big question why Aruba would need to wait for the broadcast to arrest Joran. Supposedly deVries already shared the information. What – is aruba using the Clinton play book to see what polls say?

      I understand Joran has a new book coming out. I lied. And that’s the Truth

    54. disgustedmom on February 3rd, 2008 11:20 am

      I hate to say I told you so….but I said Joran was trying to impress the person he confessed to. That’s why he was bragging…to impress.

      And I do personally think he is lying about the details he provided. I think he is copying what he thinks people believe and has centered it around the ocean search.

      I do NOT think he is lying that he knows what happened to Natalee!

      Still, they have a confession! And even though Joran has now said he lied I think they should just arrest him and take this thing to trial!

      One of the problems with this case has been that Joran has repeatedly lied. And everybody tries to think for him too much and figure out IF he lied, what parts might be lies etc. The courts need to go ahead and take him at his current word. Take him to trial for disposing of a body he was not sure was dead as he admitted to. Let his defense attorneys go ahead and try to PROVE he is lying.

      It’s time to stop letting Joran lead the way with his continuous lies! There comes a point when the courts need to stop thinking around the confusion Joran creates and trying to figure him out, and now is the time! Now that he has confessed, let it stand!

      Arrest and procecute!


      On the flip side, I wonder if Joran did find out about a week ago when Mos got the tapes that he had been set up. Hmph! Of course he did! Duh.

      And I’d wager a bet Joran knew it when he threw the wine, so he knew it before Mos got the tapes. He just didn’t know exactly what was on them until Mos got the tapes.

      At any rate, HE CONFESSED! Take him to trail and see what else shakes out!

    55. disgustedmom on February 3rd, 2008 11:35 am

      My 2 cents about Natalee having been dumped in the ocean….

      Too convienient. The most obvious place for an island.

      And it would require more than one person to do it. Hence, at least one too many people.

      The fish trap that was suspect had been sitting behind the huts for such a long time the ground around it was stained with rust. No one would notice it missing that first night because obviously no one had been using it for quite some time.

      The only way I’d buy the fish trap story is if ALE asked a fisherman-that first night- if he could find anything missing and the fisherman went and looked at that point and discovered the trap missing.

      Still the trap was heavy, needed a larger hole to be made in it before a body could be fit inside it, and we’re back to more than one person participating in the act and it would have a taken a bit of time. And gee…do you think this might not have been witnessed there at the huts?

      I still don’t think Natalee was put into the ocean. And I still don’t think Joran got any of his friends to help get rid of a body they didn’t have any fault in causing to die. Joran did what he always does…calls Pappa!

      Paulus: I can’t do this to my son.

      Translation: Because I did it.

    56. disgustedmom on February 3rd, 2008 11:55 am

      I’m going out on a crow-eating limb here with this OPINION….

      Natalee was trafficked as a way out, via Paulus VDS after she was taken to the VDS house after Joran left evidence of rape and assault on her and she was threatening to tell. Beth arrived too soon while Natalee was still at the VDS house, and that left Paulus unable to let her go after being unwilling to let her go until Joran’s evidence was off her.

      I think this confession of Joran’s was contrived with the help of Paulus and his cronies to end this case without having to mention anything about trafficking, although I do not think Joran knows what his daddy did with Natalee.

      Whether or not Natalee is still alive within the trafficking industy is questionable and not very likely. Hence, it was time to confess she was dead in a way that Joran was led to believe would not get him charged with anything while giving Beth closure in the form of ‘no sense looking for Natalee or her path anymore’.

      In short…Natalee was not so unconscious as Joran wants us to believe. She, in fact, knew too much to be set free.

      (like I said, opinion!)

    57. Miss-Underestimated on February 3rd, 2008 12:13 pm

      Joran saying he dumped her in the ocean, is like he is saying, yeah I am that effen smart I did it and they can’t find her, yeah I am a smart mofo

    58. disgustedmom on February 3rd, 2008 2:27 pm

      Joran is not smart. His brain is fried from too much teenage drinking and doing drugs.

      I can’t believe how many people, Not you miss underestimated, think Joran is smart. The news people keep saying it! But Joran is NOT smart!

      He’s also not advanced his abilities to reason beyond just lying right off the bat.

      Reasoning is a large part of intelligence. Joran doesn’t exhibit any abililty to reason beyond some 2 year old who tries to see how much he can get away with based on his own limited knowledge. His limited knowledge has increased beyond a 2 year old of course, just not his belief that no one else is smarter than he is.

      Hence, Joran is not smart at all….which means someone else is behind all this coverup.

    59. disgustedmom on February 3rd, 2008 2:31 pm

      OH, and whoever is behind it helping Joran, Joran is a huge liability! This person would be sweating and eating and sweating and eating and taking sleeping pills? This person would not be drinking anymore.


    60. annie on February 3rd, 2008 4:14 pm

      Joran’s cofession live!!!! This guy is going to blogging Peter R. De vries’ dutch TV show live in 20 minutes

    61. Richard on February 3rd, 2008 5:23 pm

      Disgusted Mom … I also haven’t renounced totally the idea of trafficking. Those people who have seen the deVries info seem to be saying that this will allow Aruba to wrap up the case.

      But as Jug Twitty said, we’ve been down this road before. And now we know that Joran has disavowed what he said on the tapes … though I don’t think anyone will believe him.

      We know that Beth has said she has no more doubts left that Natalee is dead. The balance of probability definitely seems to tilt that way.

      But we don’t yet KNOW. Let’s hope and pray that deVries has enough on Joran to prove the case and get the stinking animal jailed forever … and any accomplices he might have had.

      It hasn’t happened yet.

    62. dale Davis on February 8th, 2008 9:36 pm

      Joran Van Snot Nosed Brat,

      He is a disgusting, spoiled,arrogant and physotic young man.

      I think the Aruban/Dutch governmant is a “sham” won’t ever think of traveling ther whenb the wolrd offers al lot of other desinations where Law is the law

    63. James Waltrip on February 9th, 2010 12:28 pm

      All I know is My three girls or anyone in my family would not even consider going to those nasty countries. Countries that Take advantage of tourists, defend crooked cops, judges and let murdering lying rapists loose again on society. But Most of all I pray To My Heavenly Father That All those involved with the Murder and Covering up for these scum of the earth, Feel the full wrath of God! I Pray that they recieve 100 fold for the pain they brought natalie’s family and friends. Even wrath to those who condone that type of behavior. Amen

    Leave a Reply

    Support Scared Monkeys! make a donation.

    • NEWS (breaking news alerts or news tips)
    • Red (comments)
    • Dugga (technical issues)
    • Dana (radio show comments)
    • Klaasend (blog and forum issues)
    E-mail It