RSSNatalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update
Looks like there may be some changes at the spokes person level in Aruba. According to Aruban sources,
“Seems that Mariaine Croes has been replaced by Karen Jansen (lead prosecutor) as spokesperson on the Natalee Holloway case. It doesn’t say why. This is according to Diario, but it seems that a memo has been issued out by the JD, so it seems more credible than other Diario stories.”
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Also, Natalee’s mom and the family are growing increasing frustrated with the investigation. The release of Paul Van der Sloot on Sunday by Aruban authorities was said to be devastating on Natalee’s mom.
The mother of an Alabama honors student missing in Aruba for a month said Tuesday she is devastated by the release of a Dutch suspects father and convinced the high-ranking judicial official is hiding information.
“I know in my heart he has some answers,” Beth Holloway Twitty told The Associated Press in an interview.
She said her suspicions were based on his behavior when she went to his house looking for those answers last week, and Paul van der Sloot, who’s training to be a judge on the Dutch Caribbean island, could not stop perspiring.
“I’ve never sat across from an individual in a well-ventilated room who was sweating so profusely. His wife had to use napkins to wipe his forehead, and the sweat drops falling on the table” as they sat under a fan.
The families of Natalee Holloway have grown increasing frustrated by the slow pace and the investigation and the lack of information that is being given to them. This comes as a bit of a surprise because there had been interviews that claimed the Holloway’s & Twitty’s were being informed along the way. After nearly one month and the Aruban authorities being no closer to solving this mystery than they were day one; the pressure and frustration must be beyond belief for Natalee’s family.
Family members of a missing Mountain Brook teen say they’re fed up with the slow pace of the investigation into her disappearance in Aruba.
Natalee Holloway, 18, disappeared May 30 on a graduation trip to the Caribbean island. Authorities have been tight-lipped about the investigation, saying only that they’re pursuing all angles.
But Holloway’s relatives say they’ve had to push the investigation along, even threatening to go to the media if certain arrests weren’t made.
“I’m really afraid that the officials are beginning to feel that this is a blemish on the island and that they’re trying to make it go away rather than resolving it,” Holloway’s uncle, Paul Reynolds, said Tuesday. “I think it’s a mistake.”
Beth Twitty, Holloway’s mother, also said she’s tired of pushing for information. “I think everybody just wants an answer, and it’s so frustrating not getting it.”
Also from Fox News, Holloway’s Mom: Dutch Dad Hiding Something
The mother of an Alabama honors student missing in Aruba for a month said Tuesday she is devastated by the release of a Dutch suspects father and convinced the high-ranking judicial official is hiding information.
“I know in my heart he has some answers,” Beth Holloway Twitty told The Associated Press in an interview.
She said her suspicions were based on his behavior when she went to his house looking for those answers last week, and Paul van der Sloot, who’s training to be a judge on the Dutch Caribbean island, could not stop perspiring.
From Scarborough Country, transcripts from June 27, discussing the Natalee Holloway story with Joe Scarborough, Martin Savidge, Arlene Ellis-Schipper (Aruban Attorney) and Linda Allison:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: At this point, you would think that you’re well into it and you’re progressing right through it and you’ve almost got your answers. And, after this weekend, I don’t think it’s any surprise that, you know, we were devastated.That was such a huge setback, that I felt as if I was taken back to May 31 at 2:00 a.m. in the morning.
SAVIDGE: So, that’s the feeling from the family members. And it really sums up a lot of feeling on the island.
But the prosecutor’s office says don’t think it’s a major setback. They are pushing forward with their case, and, if need be, they could rearrest these suspects. And they are considered suspects, even though they have been set free—Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: Martin, is there any evidence at all that Joran or the other two boys are cracking? We’d heard before that the father could possibly be released just to pressure the son to start talking—or could be arrested just to make the son start talking.
Any evidence at all that that may be happening?
SAVIDGE: No. In fact, perhaps that’s why the father was let go. I mean, if that was the tactic, bring in the father, add pressure to the son, it did not appear to impact the son’s testimony, at least from what we’ve heard from the investigation.
So, you let the father go and pursue other means. But there’s been no major breakthrough that we’ve heard of coming from these interrogations. Now, keep in mind, the process here is very closed-mouth when it comes to how the prosecutor’s office and the investigation moves forward. They are not ones to daily update the media as to how they’re doing—Joe.
LINDA ALLISON, AUNT OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, obviously, we do feel that it was a major setback to hear the news that Paul Van Der Sloot had been released.
You know, you heard that testimony—or you heard the explanation from the guest that you just previously had on. And it’s frustrating. You have this person trying to explain it. Can you understand that? It’s just very difficult.
SCARBOROUGH: Linda, you know, we keep hearing Beth and others in the family, hearing you come on, talk on these shows. And, obviously, you all seem very strong in front of the camera. How’s the family doing, though, when the lights turn off and you all are just talking among yourselves?
ALLISON: Yes.
Well, I do have to say, we put our game face on when we’re out searching. And we do have our emotional moments when we’re behind closed doors.
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424 Responses to “Natalee Holloway; June 29 Morning Update”
Hi all, I’m new here…I’ve been following what everyone has been saying pretty closely. Do you think dad vds is innocent? What’s everyone’s opinions?
Brenna – I think VDS dad knows something – if not everything. I even think VDS mom knows more than she lets on as well.
Hey all…………I think he is involved in the cover up… He seems like he is a control freak and perhaps abuses his wife.
Justice would be for the Dad to now disappear without a freaking trace.
MOM—you here?
I guess as time goes on with the boys in jail that we can just hope that they “crack” – as they become more paranoid about what each other may be saying about the other I suppose it’s possible that one of them might finally give some answers.
okay…something bad happened. back to the date rape/accident thing. what if they gave her something, they were doing their business, she vomited, but being on her back, she choked on her own vomit. they panic, and quickly hide the body. they weren’t suspects immediately and had that time to hide what clumsy evidence was there while they were let out. all with the aid of dad vds.
i’m grasping obviously.
steve-if only. i do think they will disappear after joran gets out. they had already planned on relocating to his hometown, but was waiting to get a steady job.
Hey again!
Larry, did you get my post, that I just read/replied to your email?
Regarding your coment about PVDS being a control freak, and abuser? I do agree with that…don’t know why, but I’ve sensed that, as well.
Steve..that would not find NH
pktbk – highly possible. Plus the unexplained substance still lingers.
pktbk -
I think something like that happened too and the boy(s) freaked! I think she just plain died of a drug overdose and they just hid the body somehow. But – NH mom and others feel strongly that she is still alive and on the island either hiding or waiting to be found.
Steve,
That could happen, but it would no doubt be of his own accord.
crs-did they ever do the dna on that? do they even have those capabilities?
was it confirmed that a godfather/grandfather of the vds is part of the polis force?
crs:
Unexplained substance?
Has anyone heard anything about the cowboys?
pa mom-i think bth is coming to terms that she may not be alive, and just wants to take her home. even the equu search guy says this is more of a recovery search.
Goodmorning Monkeys!
hey country!
Good Morning Country–Nice to have you back
I have never heard any followup, it seemed to go away after it was established as not blood. I did not even see the godfather mentioned, so I think that is bogus. I also want to say Dan Riehl has done a nice job with his board but a lot of what he posts proves false.
larry-last i heard they were trying to keep their searches hush hush so people would stop following them. the cell phones and such are throwing off their equipment.
was it confirmed that the ‘hit’ found at the quarry was a false alarm due to cell phones of the media and people?
PK–Is there anything on where the texans are searching today?
We have been catching up on all our reading that everyone has posted. Some of it makes us sick (the imposters) the other posts do cause us all to think though. We believe everyone here on the posts will figure the entire case out before the Arubians do!
ohh sorry, wasn’t patient enough (blush)
crs-i agree about dan.
i think that the rest of the media gets wind of that stuff, but wait until it’s proven true or false before reporting. can you imagine all news being as gung ho as dan? chaos! lol i do appreciate what he does get though. hearing something is better than nothing.
arm chair detectives. lol
Country,
As long as you know who the imposters are and those that are not here for the right reason, there have been a number of good theories that have come to frution over the last month.
Keep your faith and the answers will come.
Hi C-Moon!
I have really started just to listen to Greta now.
I really wish the imposters though would not pop up. Some other close friends of Nat and even one of her family members were on ScaredMonkeys yesterday watching some of the speculations and reading everyone’s comments, and they all left due to something an intruder said about nude pictures or something like that in regards to Nat. So to all those intruders who do not think that ScaredMonkeys is not reaching everyone…here is a news flash for you…IT IS!
MOM-please resend that email to me..My finger hit the wrong key…lol…….
I think the media should stay at the HI and wait for the cowboys to contact them
PK-nice to see you here again.Have you talked to Yliana?
larry-no, but i saw she was on last night.
crs-i like her blogs better. lol
Why are so many people saying Arubian when the adjective should be Aruban? Huh?
Her blogs are classic, I just checked and she has not posted a new one for today. Maybe she had a late night at C&C!!
Hey all…how is everyone today?
Country Moon, does the Holloway family say that some of the posts and theories have helped them? Also, is it true that when Natalee did not show up for her flight that the gate agent said something about “a missing girl who was probably kidnapped for human trafficing?”
crs-i could only hope! i finally got to see what it looked like on the outside. it’s like al’s diner on happy days. lol or maybe that vampire bar on dusk to dawn.
johan-i have to catch myself from time to time. i guess i get arabian in my head or something. i’m sure it’s not intentional.
Thank you for the correction Johan I appologize. They are a very friendly people though however you wish to call them!
morning hope
I have been following up on the Missing student from Ala. in Aruba. My opinion on this case is her parents should have advised there 18 year old daughter about going out alone at 2:30 in the morning alone with guys she didnt know. She should haven taken a friend with her. What is the difference with the boys being out at 2:30 or good girls being out at 2:30 there is none. The thing is WHY didnt a friend go with her knowing she was alone with 3 guys all alone in a diffferent country by herself????? And the thing was no one missed her until the plane was ready to take off? I think the chapperons should have known something was up not knowing she was not in her room at 2:30 in the morning. Dont they ever count heads that is what chapperons our for. There is alot that dont add up!
Oh, Country Moon, I remember that post. It was vile. I wonder why some of the Dutch people from both Aruba and other places (I’m looking at “Bear”) are so defensive about everything, and want to sweep this all under the rug? That alone tells me there’s more that’s being hidden than we even begin to see.
Country – Care to tackle Ginas comments?
Country, I know those imposter posts hit close to home, I was hit several times yesterday with an imposter. Unfortunately a strong stomach and backbone is required for many blogs due to trolls and such. Both which you have
They are lifting the rug higher as we talk…….Waiting for the right big broom to arrive to do the sweeping.
there had been a misunderstanding on her being alone. they travelled in groups and each group thought she was with the other. and there were other students who hung with the locals and did not reach the same fate. i am talking about the boy who was interviewed who saw nat dancing with joran. he saw them leave and he didn’t think anything of it because he had rode around with some locals himself earlier.
i do think there should have been a head count or bed check, but if it was understood before the trip those were to be done, these were adults, then there’s not much to go on there.
Larry: Silly thang. I just re-sent it.
Good Morning, Country Moon! Glad 2 have u back!
DFW~ I do not know if anyone at the gate mentioned that to a chaperone, I do not think that they would have just blurted that out to all of us, I think they would have shown some tact and whispered it to a chaperone if it was said. I really do not know what was said other than that a few people were trying her cell phone, a few of us walked with chaperone around the area of the airport to see if she had gotten caught up with something. It was not a panic until after the first hour, once that hour was up we knew something was wrong. A chaperone called the hotel to find out if we had any stragglers. It was evident after an hour that we had a big problem.
Too much hindisight to go back and believe that there should have been headcounts, I personally believe there should have been. Despite being in paradise, a group mentality, keeping track of all kids, some type of curfew, and headcounts should have been in place.
You’ll be seeing school trips changing how they do things now.
Country——–was JB at the airport at that time?
Gina — that she left C&C with the guys is a fact, however unfortunate. That doesn’t justify what happened to her. And the point now is to find her and to prosecute the guilty.
Goodness I wish I could just refer Gina to previous posts of ours I am sure we have tackled all those questions several times. But let me just state this before I really get into answering all her questions: Hine sight is always 20/20.
country-was this a school trip at all or was this just you all going on vacation before college?
AnnaMaria – it’s easy enough to explain the defensive attitude of some Dutch people on this forum
i think there are several groups here
- some of them are and will always be morons
- some are pissed off by some Americans on this forum who scream that this could never happen in the US and that this case would have been solved weeks ago in the US
- some simply voice their genuine opinion
I’m not so sure if the defensive ones want to sweep all this under the rug. I really do not believe that there is anyone out there (be it in Aruba, the US, or Holland) who does not want this mystery solved.
Country Moon, I received this e-mail from Jamie Holloway. Is she a sister, aunt or who? Folks, you can e-mail your “classy” prayer requests and best wishes to:
Jaime Holloway [all4natalee@yahoo.com]
Here is her response:
On behalf of the entire Holloway/Twitty family we thank you for all of your prayers and support. The search for Natalee has been thus far a long and dark path, but we all are persevering to find the light at the end of this tunnel. We can not say thank you enough. We feel the prayers and support, and knowing that everyone is out there standing strong behind us gets us through the toughest hours. We appreciate it all so much. Thank you.
To receive a Prayer Bracelet please simply send your name and address, and we will be sure to send one to you as soon as we receive it. These bracelets are meant to bring constant attention to the search for Natalee, and the hope that God will answer our prayers.
Thank you again for your prayers and support.
I agree, Big Pappy. Hindsight came to me as well…as well as a headcount that didn’t happen (also hindsight).
But, some people would like to blame & just leave it at that. Because better decisions should have been made, doesn’t mean the cause for her disappearance.
I hope they find Nat very soon. I cannot imagine the heartbreak for her family!
MOM-give me your true gut feeling this morning….I am struggling with things today
Good Morning All:
I still think daddy VDS assisted Joran with his mess regarding NH.
I’m hoping to hear a report from the cowboys soon. Has anyone heard about any searches conducted yesterday?
kat-exactly
I am just telling you what the people think in Aruba. There’s a lot more. However, I find that most on this blog want to voice harsh, biased opinions that are based from remote locations all the whilst watching CNN and Fox News.
You are not ready for anything else other than blaming some boy. There isn’t even a body. So there is no crime. What should he confess too? There is no leading evidence. Should there be evidence? Maybe this thing should go in another direction.
PK, when I graduated high school, I was NOT AN ADULT. I was a binge-drinking, pot-smoking freewheeling party hound. If my high school class had done this same thing, with little supervision, it would have been bad news. I probably would have ended face down in some gutter.
While CountryMoon is very adult and a fine example, I think many (not you) stating that just graduated seniors are adults and can take care of themselves is a foolish thought.
The chaperones that were there did all the head counts, did all of the checking rooms, and monitored everything that they possibly could. The ratio of us to them though was us winning by a mile. We were out to all hours of the night. We had this false sense that the island was totally safe. That is the impression that everyone who lives there gives you. They try to make you feel like its all about you and your time there. Night life there is so up beat and exciting.
We all were a few sheets to the wind at C&C’s, all of us who were there, and that is our faults and we live with that guilt now every day. No one in our group here saw her leave the bar, but had we not been intoxicated I know we all would have used much better judgement and said something.
We were dispersed all over the place in Aruba. The beach, the bar, the pool, the hotel……if a person was not with one group it was thought that “Oh they must be with another”. Another bad call on our part…
It would appear Sloot, Sr. concocted quite the plan.
Good morning Country
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I can only imagine how difficult it is to read some of the posts. There are some mean spirited people in this world.
Larry:
My gut feeling is (and Country, please forgive me) that NH will be found. Unfortunately, I think it will be too late. Much too late. I think she was killed and discarded much of the same way Laci was. I also think the 3 suspects and PVDS know where she is, and what happened. Still, I think they will all walk.
Aruba will want to get back to business as usual, so they’ll rely on the polis chief & Caren Janssen to offer her neverending ‘No Comment’.
Aren’t you sorry you asked?
Wielder, seeing as they are not releasing any evidence, how do you know they have none? Seemingly none, but do we know that?
Weilder, why all the lies though? That is the one question no one can give a good response to, they were scared is not a good reason.
Remember that when Beth first met Joran, she had a gut feeling (mothers intuition) that he was involved! NEVER mess with a mother’s intuition, right Trisher?
Good morning everyone.
Country, what relation is Jamie to Natalee?
I’m new to this site but I’ve been reading it everyday. I just wanted to say that I read early on something from one of Natalee’s friends that last spoke with her at C&C’s who said she seemed “tired” and not herself, or something like that. And of course there’s the theory that she was drugged. I was the victim of an attempted date rape with the drug GHB many years ago. If you have that drug in your system, you feel very tired at first, and sleepy. Eventually it’s like trying to walk through water until your eyelids just won’t stay open and your body is very heavy. Luckily I kept fighting until my “date” gave up and let me go. I don’t remember driving home and I was very sick for two days after that. If Natalee was drugged, she didn’t do anything of her own free will.
Country, thank you for that last post. You said more there about what really happened at C & C’s than I have heard yet. I’m sure the pain is tough for all of you who feel you could have done more or “been there” more to change the circumstances.
Hi Country.
Gina, I just read your stuff. You should read back a week or so and see all that has been said.
I don’t know your age, but I can tell you that teens will do what teens will do. I have had 3 – 2 angels and one who would party her brains out. No matter what I said – and I said it all, and I LIVED it (I was a good example) she was gonna do her thang. This is in no way any innocent person’s fault.
I am being told that Jaime is a close cousin of Nat’s on her dad’s side of the family. All4Natalee@yahoo.com is the place to send anything that you wish to get to the family.
Wielder:
With all due respect, if we don’t have hope, we have nothing. To not have a shoulder, leaves us no one but ourselves. That does not title someone a fool.
Just my thoughts.
Where is Sim?
Just saw that Jake – right on! A mother’s intuition is incredible. And, by the way, we are ALWAYS right.
What I saw on Nancy Grace yesterday was disgracefil. Some pyschologist describing my island. Voicing an opinion on what? On footage given to her by CNN?
What expert opinion can she have on Aruban society? Has this person ever been to Aruba? Is she an expert on Caribbean society?
I am Aruban society.
I always thought CNN was the most trusted name in News. After the lies and skewed view they are giving of my island, I am even starting to judge their reporting on any other matter.
MOMS rock!!!
**Cheers to all the MOMS**
MOM—–I am on the same track as you yet I feel she is still alive and that her time is running out…….The Lamb will bleat and the Elder will cave…….I am staying with my country house theory.
I have always assumed that Natalee was drugged. I think Joran went out that night looking for a victim. When I say a victim, I mean someone to give the drug to and take advantage of.
Again hindsight, but headcounts WITHOUT a curfew does not make much sense. Everyone is in by a certain time, headcount is taken. I just don’t think the mentality was there. Remember, they were going to island paradise to have fun. Years of school over, let loose a little, chaperones were to give them some space to have fun.
Yeah – Beth HT is a prime example of an awesome mom!
Trisher, by that same theory (mother’s intuition), don’t you think Jorans mom knows he was involved too. Why do you think she looks so miserable all the time!
did anyone hear from yesterday that the two brothers were washing their cars at 2 am?
ALSO, who is Lorenzo?
Also, does anyone have the link from fox where they showed NH’s room & passport???
Thanks for sharing, Larry!
HEY WIELDER! NOW YOU SEE WHY WE’RE HERE? TO GIVE EACH OTHER HOPE! Try it! It’s a wonderful thing!
*gives Larry a BIG hug*
Larry, what is the country house theory?
She looks miserble as her husband is an abusive control freak bastard
Jake – yes I do think she knows. But, she does not want to believe it and might not let herself believe. it. WE do not want to believe that our kids could do such things. It cuts right to the core of us. (I’m speaking for moms in general I think.) And to think that our children would lie to us breaks the whole trust thing we have tried years to build up.
No wonder Joran’s mom looks miserable! Her son is in jail, all the US have already tried and convicted her son and her husband, their phones are ringing every second. Give the poor woman a break!
Larry, you mirror my thoughts exactly regarding PVDS.
Big – We are talking about 18 year old kids (adults). Headcounts are used when kids go on fieldtrips with their school or summer camp! I think this was more like an organized trip with senior graduates. I can understand how a headcount was not done. I’m sure most of the chaperones were asleep by the time most of these kidws were back in their room!!!!
Okay while not trying to sound like a broken record here, we did have boundaries set up by our chaperones. We all had certain times we were to meet up at a set meeting place for a head count and to insure that everyone was present and accounted for. Also we had many meals all together, and did other things as a giant group. We were a large group of people and odds were no matter where you were in the area of the island that we were at, you were always going to run into 5 or more people from the group.
Anyone see Greta with the Aunt lastnight. Talking about pressuring the military to get involved with the search. Seemed very orchestrated.
Greta said something like “so who does the decision go to now to bring in the Dutch Marines or not”?
Aunt responded very clearly and slowly “the lead investigator, J Van Der Straaten”
Pressure rising internally?
I just had an experience yesterday questioning 4 boys including my own, ages 12-13, about something they had done that was obviously wrong. They all agreed together that they hadn’t done it. I was very surprised how good they were in lying and denying at such a young age. They all attend church and are being raised in Christian homes.
It was only when I mentioned the consequences of punishment of one offense of wrong doing or being punished for two things, including the lie, that one of them cracked. He was also the more compassionate one of the four because he has had to deal with a life-long illness from early childhood.
What I learned from this experience is that you must have proof of the wrong and even then there will be denial by most suspects. Only the punishment reduction brought out one admission of guilt. However if I didn’t have the proof, then I do not think I could have dealt with it so quickly. If I had made up the evidence and I was wrong, then perhaps they would have argued with my errors, but I do not know if this would have gotten to the truth.
I do not think parents understand that by believing in their children no matter what may lead to deviant liars.
Within the first couple of days of natalees disaperance CNN reported that one of the Kalpoe brothers confessed. After the media was made aware that there was not a confession CNN kept reporting there was a confession. That made me realize they were all about the ratings. Also the reporter who went into the red light district and did the story with the crack head, that was disrespectful if you ask me. Showing the type of places that Natalee could be
Jane-rural houses where the drug dealers live and have parties.I feel she was taken to one of these that night and is possibly still there
i agree
I saw the interview with the security guard. I got the impression that Deepak was talking to him at first without knowing that he was the security guard. Deepak thought he was just talking to another prisoner! Did anyone get that?
Country Moon, is there any truth to the rumor that one of the boys on your trip did not fly back with ya’ll? Somebody said he was an ex boyfriend of Natalee’s or something?
even if some think that joran and the brothers are innocent until proven guilty…due to their changing stories, they have to know something. if they aren’t protecting themselves, they are definitely protecting someone.
My opinion of PVDS is that he did not help out his son with the Holiday Inn story. IMO Paul would have known better than to concocted that story for them. Being an older and wiser adult ….he would have known that there were security cameras at the entrance. I feel that JVDS made this story up by himself on the spur of a moment when questioned by Natalee’s mom. He never dreamed he would have been connected with her disapperance…..so, he really didn’t have a story lined up to tell anyone.
He then had to call the 2 brothers to get them to tell the same story. Maybe this is what happened: Joran & Natalee were dropped off at the beach. She was given some type of date rape drug. She either passed out or became unconscious or maybe went into a coma or died.
Joran panics…..he leaves her laying on the beach….calls the 2 brothers wanting help. They in turn call Steve Croes who takes care of it. Joran has already left the scene & headed back home or he stayed to help Croes dispose of the body. Beings that Croes is a friend of the 2 brothers….I don’t see him communicating directly with Croes. Perhaps Croes done this for a favour to the 2 brothers….or he has been promised money or drugs for his deed.
One of our close friends says that Satish was trying to give a code by saying: “We dropped her off at the beach and left her there thinking that she would just turn up in a crack house or a bar a few days later”
Our close friend on the trip thinks that it is a code to lead someone to those places.
i have been looking at the post by Shango….i don’t know how true it is but i find it interesting
If she was taken to a party, who took her? Why not just come clean and say to the authorities (from the beginging), “We took Natalee to a party, and she wanted to stay, and I needed to leave because I have school the next day, so I left her there!”
That would be the truth, and there is nothing wrong with that story!! But instead they made up a story!! Doesn’t make sense.
right – larry, what a liability she’d be at this point. Her picture is EVERYWHERE.
It is obvious that Joran is guilty of something, but his father has taught him well. It has been three weeks, if he has not boken by know he is not going to.
Pk-question for you…………If you were 17 and being grilled hours a day by the polis, day after day after day………….what would you do or say?
What did Shango say?
Croes said in his interview lastnight with Greta he doesn’t know ANY of the 3 boys( Jvds SK or DK)
I think everyone has to admit the crack house comment was odd.
Country-have they searched the crack houses?
A smart girl is fascinated by the high rollers. With soul fest (and celebreties) there……….was there a private “high roller” party (at Marriot or HI) that night that Joran said he could get her into?? Maybe dad didn’t go home from casino but went to private “high roller” party…anything could be available there. Dirty Hands would look the other way………..
Larry, i’m still with you on the country house rave/party theory too. Perhaps even Natalee’s family are starting to wonder. I’ve noticed how they are mostly accusing JVDS, PVDS and the Kalpoes of “having information” about Natalee’s disappearance. “They KNOW what happened.” They have also continuously stated how many people the believe were involved – as many as 8 or 9.
Does anyone but me feel the cowboys are being mislead in their search?
I know hindsight is 20/20 and I hope and pray that they find Natalee. My prayers our with her and her family. There is so many questions and no answers. And I dont think you can blame everything on to the island. I still dont understand one hour before the plane leaves they count heads!!!!!! WHY didnt her room mate miss her when she arrived home, and again when the plane was ready to leave. May God Bless her family and all who are volunteers searching for Natalee in hopes that they find her soon.
Jake, I heard that as well…on Fox, maybe? About the Kalpoe bro. not realizing he was ‘confessing’ to the security guards, and that he thought he was speaking to ‘just another inmate’.
Don’t know if it’s true. Bet it is, though!
Does anyone know if lie detector tests can be used over there?
Not known Jake
Annamaria – what was all that jibberish you posted on the last thread? Can you translate that in english?
My last post about the car wash…I was thinking the boys washed the exterior of the car…if they dragged Natalee out of it and were concerned that she could be identified by skin cells on the exterior of the vehicle. It’s not logical…but would be expected of kids in a “panic”. It also makes no sense that they found NO trace of Natalee in the car (that we are aware of)…not even a hair….as it is a fact that all (4) were together in the vehicle. Why scrub it down? I smell a rat….a BIG ONE!
If the investigators were looking for blood, they would certainly use luminol to test the interior. It reacts with hemoglobin (or simple protein) and can detect blood in parts per million.
Country Moon – Thanks for the continued insight. Since it seems you are close to the family, I hope you’re keeping in touch with Natalee’s brother. How awful to wonder if you will ever see your sister again. Tough enough for an adult to ponder, but even tougher for a child. Keep him close…
God bless the family…..let the truth be known…and soon.
there is a huge reward… don’t you think a crackhead would come clean for that much money
I agree that CNN and all the media are partly to blame for the bad feelings stemming from Aruba. HOWEVER, 99 percent of the bad feelings directed towards Aruban LE are legitimate. Deliberately or not, they bungled the investigation and seem to be leading BHT and family down a garden path. People who know things are not coming forward, and there really is a seamy underbelly to Aruba heretofore unknown. (There’s on in the US, too, but if people ‘go missing’ because of it, it’s handled more efficiently and expeditiously.)
A month, and now the suggestion that the case should go in “another direction?” Yeah. That’ll win people over. If they’re headed in the wrong direction now, they’re doomed.
Good summary of all the theories from Van Zandt at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8376303/
larry-that’s impossible to say without being in that position. but they don’t have anything to gain by telling on someone, they do however, probably have something to lose, like retaliation if they do talk. if the polis had strong enough evidence on them, they would have been charged already. since they have nothing, the boys are just waiting to be released.
Mornin’ bloggers. You will not hear from me for a while; I am headed to the Carribbean and may not have access to Internet where I am staying. You know my demeanor so don’t believe any posts that are not typical for me. Kristen-inSC, Checkme, Subdude, AnnaMaria, New Girl??? Try not to get sidetracked by negativism or small-mindedness. They will go away if ignored. Ciao!
Gina please take a moment to review some of my past posts. I think you might find some answers to your questions that you have.
Shelly-that makes alot of sense, especially after seeing Croes last night on Fox saying that he does not know Deepak or any of them. It seemed that he just offered info on the case out of the goodness of his heart, or he was after reward $. He looks as though he is lying! Maybe PVDS was arrested so that he could talked with all suspects in prison and brain wash them!!!
New girl—————–I think the city would be too hot to hide someone. What are your feelings as to NH’s conduct? That make be a key to solving this.
Love and prayers to Natalee, Holloways, family, friends and any parent of a missing child. I’ll work my beads on the plane
Country,you 11:00 post, does the family understand that as well, that it might have been a tip to check those places? The whole rave/country house theory?
Sol Rosenberg….could it be that maybe Natalee was sick & vomiting and when she was outside of the car….she could have been throwing up and it splashed back on the car so they went to wash it off.
I think she is alive and that she is on the island. I think it maybe a coverup because they know who they are dealing with.
Sol:
Regarding the carwash, I find the whole thing odd…except to hide evidence. Could they have been washing sand from the tires? I am not familiar with the terrain in Aruba, but no doubt PVDS would have given them wise advice to COVER YOUR ASS.
Thoughts?
i thought croes knew one of the brothers from the internet cafe. that one of the brothers had mentioned his name in this and that’s how they called him in.
Jake asked:
“If she was taken to a party, who took her? Why not just come clean and say to the authorities (from the beginging), “We took Natalee to a party, and she wanted to stay, and I needed to leave because I have school the next day, so I left her there!”
Jake, the rave / party house / crazy-Lorenzo-who-was-questioned-but-had-an-alibi theory was hashed out AT LENGTH last night on the 1198 thread. There are many reasons a person might not want to cross someone else…
PVDS advised those boys about every step they took, and not to admit to anything.
COUNTRY MOON, is there any truth to the rumor that a boy on your trip did not fly back with the rest of you? If so who is he and what relations, if any did he have with Natalee?
Recently, a regular poster said he was going to Aruba on June 25th. Does anyone remember who that was? I’m thinking it was Rob. I can’t wait for him to come back & share his experience!
Someone has been hinting that chief of polis is involved in this cover up
As far as I know Big Pappy a lot of people there and here took that as a hint. It is however hard to get people in authority to see a point that they have not found on their own. I will not say anymore on that, I just said to much right there.
pk – Apparantly he, Croes, came forward on his own, I think that has been established now as fact.
pkt..I was under the same impression that Croes knew Depak from the internet cafe but he openly admitted and said he made up the whole story and that he “did not know” any of the 3 that he had only seen Depak in the internet cafe and that he had not ever talked to him.
Sol – it was posted by someone named NEWS, in Dutch, I believe. Hence, I already did try to translate it into English, and what you read was the result.
Concerned – have a wonderful trip.
Newgirl – that blog you posted mentions Joran’s best friend “Reynolds.” Any ideas? I’m searching tickle, but it would be great if we can get a first name from someone in Aruba.
MominTN -
You are soooo right. I have two teens and they are such perfect liars. I know about something the older one has done – and seen proof – yet she vehemently denies it. She does not know that I have seen the proof. Nothing life threatening, but you can bet I’ll be watching…. She is a wonderful kid otherwise, no problems whatsoever – but such a liar!
Those boys are lying and will continue to lie. No matter what.
PK:
I heard that too, that Croes knew one of the Kalpoe bros. from the Internet Cafe. I KNEW I didn’t dream that!
Thank you! So you do agree that you know nothing, because there is no release of information. All we know is that a magistrate is ruling to keep the three boys locked up, becasue there is enough testimony and evidence to hold them.
A mother’s intuition will not hold up in court.
By the way, now it turns out an ex-boyfriend was with the group. How come nobody from the group said this? They were all told to shut up. Why?
Did you know there is footage of this guy having a scuffle with some other guy in front of the Wyndham? Have you in the US heard about this?
i don’t think that the cover up is for want Joran did but what he saw…according to Shango
Anna someone had mentioned that before about where was Joran’s best friend while all this was going on because he normally didn’t hang out with the SK or DK and that they were just aquaintances. So where has this person “Reynolds”?
Hi Monkeys! I haven’t had a chance to read all the posts – what new, in a nut shell?
Nothing new here locally – nothing from the equu search, nothing new by the police or prosecutors. There was an article today in a local newspaper Awemainta that claims to confirm a $20 million insurance policy for NH. I think they misprinted one extra zero. $20 million seems a tad high and I’ve read about the $2 million insurance already. Anybody know anything about this?
Concerned, may your travels be safe and trip be enjoyable.
Good morning are any of my friends in here?
If Croes did say he concocted that story….WTF??? What would he have to gain from that, if he NEVER met the 3 suspects?
Very strange, indeed!
COUNTRY MOON, why are you not answering my question about a boy not flying back with the group? It makes me think that there is something up with that. My aplogies is that is not so.
Let’s be honest, we have all developed great theories about this case because of the amount of time we have had to think about all of this and quite honestly probably over think it, I tend to think most of our original impressions of the case will prove true.
Has anyone ever considered the fact that Croes did this to prove a point. Trying to show that the ArubAN government is just trying to grab any goat possible and throw it on them and away from the truth??? Sniff Sniff Sniff
Someone (edie?) posted: there is a huge reward… don’t you think a crackhead would come clean for that much money?
But come clean to whom? The “Lorenzo / drug house” theory involves (or may involve) complicity by the Aruban Polis Chief. I’m not sure I’d take my chances thinking the Holloways can protect me in a jurisdiction foreign to them. The Holloways have no reason to fear reprisals from the Aruban polis, but a crackhead Aruban might…especially after that mystery guy turned up in the cemetary without his head attached.
Wielder:
Are you an Aruban ‘official’, or Caren Janssen’s spokesperson, perhaps?
Just curious.
I read somewhere that Joran has been confrontatonal with US tourist before. He tried to throw one through a glass window, and threatened to stab him with a knife.
CMoon, I understand, why would the authorities believe the crazy bloggers!
I just hope that the family and authorities who matter have heard this information about the rave/country house theory and are looking into it in some way, shape. or form.
Yliana———-Hi.I mentioned the 2 mil policy yesterday and no one believed it
Aruba had a police force of 45 in 1999. Since then, tourism tripled to 1.2mm per year. And how big is aruba’s police dept today? (fifty something). They “pocketed” all that tourist revenue without providing a coresponding increase in police protection. It was reported early on that the security guards used to troll the bars for young tourists. Well, as it turns out, this is considered island sport. The area around the California light house was littered with condoms when they searched it. The bar and resturant owners turned a “blind eye” to this activity, as did the people of Aruba. As long as the tourist dollars kept comming- they all had little reguard for our young people. What a friendly island
New girl-
I guess this is true
edie Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:09 am
PVDS advised those boys about every step they took, and not to admit to anything.
I don’t think PVDS helped with the Holiday Inn story….he is smarter than that. That’s why he told Joran not to say anything else because he knew that story was bogus and would be found out to be so. Joran had already made an a$$ of himself & he was afraid that he would keep saying stupid things that would get him in deeper trouble…so that’s why he told him not to talk.
Thoughts on why, if true, someone would insure a teenage girl for that much?
DFW I can not answer that because I do not know for sure. I do not say anything on here that is not factual. I do not want to lead anyone in a wrong direction.
Where are the cowboys?
Mom he said “he was just trying to help someone and that he went in on his own after he heard the story” Greta says ” So you were trying to help someone you didn’t know” Croes said ” Yes,but now I must go take him to the airport” Greta kept trying to ask him questions and Croes finally said “he had to go take the guy in teh car to the airport” he was getting angry and said ” I don’t want to talk about the case anymore I am finished with it, but I AM GlAD I SHOWED THEY WERE INNOCENT”!
he’s a nut job!! I couldn’t believe what I was seeing on TV I did not know what to think it was amazing.
My brother knows who the Kalpoes are too. He frequentes that cyber cafà ©. Just like Steve Croes.
Steve Croes overheard a conversation and called the Police. That is why they called him in.
Hey is there any new news? Looks liek this room is a lto better than yesterday
COUNTRY MOON, if you were on that flight wouldn’t you know if he was not on that flight? Or you would have heard that later. Let me ask a follow up question. WAS THERE AN EX BOYFRIEND OF NH’S ON THIS TRIP? Thanks!
Websleuth, interersting no “party/rave” theory on that page
Someone passed us a link regarding the timeline from MBHS’ arrival date until June 1st. From this timeline it appears “something really bad happened” between 2:00a.m. and 6:30 a.m. Here is what it reads:
12:15 a.m. Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive at C&C’s
12:45 a.m. Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kis outside C&Cs
1:30 a.m. NH, & Joran leave C&C’s in Deepak’s car with Satish
2:00 a.m. Deepak & Satish return home and get on computer
2:40 a.m. Satish lawyer says phone records show Joran called Deepak. Joran says he is walking home. Left Natalee on the beeah. Joran said he would go online to talk within one hour.
3:20 a.m. Joran TEXT MESSAGES Deepak saying he is HOME!!!!!! (RED FLAG)!!!!
6:30 a.m. Call from on of the 3 boys cell phones from the Santa Lucia area of Aruba
7:50 a.m. Joran in school bragging he had sex with Natalee….also saying she drowned.
If there is any truth to this timeline on Riehl, daddy VDS was up those wee hours too helping Joran with the crime scene!
Hi Rach, welcome
Yesh I hear about an ex boyfriend too, I think his name is Jermey or something
Hi rachael
KAT, where did you hear that he said that NH “drowned?” I have not heard that one.
New Girl-the reward being offered is Chump Change to the lions.
All is well in Aruba. All the hotel rooms left vacant by tourists are now being rented to searchers and newspeople. All is well in Aruba. Cha Ching!
The rave party scenario seems very unlikely. There was such a narrow window of opportunity – less than an hour and a half. That doesn’t jive with something like a party that would consume more time. After studying the time frame, I am also starting to wonder if this whole thing was premeditated and planned out before it even happened.
hi everyone! I sense everyones frustrations this morning,,,,its sounding like these boys are not going to talk..after 10 days of collaborating and getting story straight with “POPS” ..this should come as no surprise…
Country moon..hello…and i want to tell you how sorry i am about yoru friend and classmate..it sounds as though you have all had some epiphanies…and learnt some pretty heavy lessons….which is good but dont let it weigh you down to much….i have a son your age….and i remember being your age….you are human..
can i ask you if the fight between joran and some boys form your school did occur…and do u know what it was over?
Take everything Riehl says with a grain of slat, he has been proven wrong most of the time.
Hello, all! Just wanted to touch on two spots here:
1. Mrs. Holloway-Twitty is pointing way too many fingers these days, in my opinion. If it turns out that Mr. VdS actually knew/knows nothing about her daughter’s disappearance, but rather was instructing his son to keep his mouth shut as any other judge would do, she might have a big crow sandwich on which to munch…
2. Why is it that all of the former suspects say things like, “I knew I was innocent,” etc.??? That sounds like it came from the The School of Redundancy School. Why not just say, “I’m innocent”???
I can not comment on an ex boyfriend, but I will say that is not a road to go on.
Annamaria – thanks.
Sol is frustrated…lots of good brainstorming going on here. If I were in Aruba I would definitely be spending all of my time on this search.
I’m not here to bash Aruba, but calling in the cavalry after (30) days is so sad…
Country Moon – do you think the authorities are just dragging this out? Anyone else from your town heading to Aruba to assist the family?
Anna- I don’t know who Reynolds could be. From the photo in the hottub, I am not sure she met the same Joran – but the description in the other post sure sounds like a match.
Arubans, how common is the name “Yoran” or Joran or similar? How many 17, 18, 19 year old Holland nationals withg that name are likely to be big time clubbers / American-tourist seekers?
I think PVDS DID help with the Holiday Inn story. The result of that was going to be that the 2 security guards get arrested and convicted!!! The twist for PVDS (which he did NOT expect) was the DETERMINATION of Beth family and friends to find Natalee!!!! NEVER in his wildest dreams did he expect this case to turn so BIG!! That is then when all the stories started to change..
CRoes said ” he went in to the tell the police he overheard a phonecall by Depak and that the police held him” so if you need evidence to hold someone for more than 8 days why was he still in jail after 10 days. The only evidence that had was overhearing a phone call? that doesn’t seem much to me, once they took his statement they should have let him go and called him back in later if they needed him.
Johan:
I totally agree with you. It’s a very hard time for her, I assure you. She must be very disappointed in her son, even though she points him out as the perfect child. The same as Beth Holloway does, for that matter.
Her life in Aruba has become impossible because of these events. They will be chased out of this paradise. And where will they be safe? They’ll have to move as far as Inner Mongolia or some place like that, not to be recognized.
By the way – a paradise it is, Aruba! I lived there for many years, (know the Van der Sloots too as a matter of fact, taught Joran and his mom was my co-worker) and I had a great time. It hurts to see how Aruba is described because of all this. You should go there to see for yourself!
Does that mean the ex-boyfriend was there, CM?
hI cAPTIAN LONG TIME NO TALK. hEY eDIE. anY NEW INFO COME OUT THIS MORNING?
Jake you are most correct…no one expected such persistance not even the polis
If there was a rave, NH and JVDS could have gone and he left her there. That is what I get out of Shango.
Johan, samollie,
screw her at least she knows where her son is!
lisabobeesa~ Thank you for your words they are very kind. Yes a few boys from the trip did run into Joran, no fight or bad exchange of words, just while at the ca4in0, and they all say the same thing that he came across as “Mr. Big Shot-I own the place”, and rather rude too.
Sol Rosenberg~ Yes I do.
If I was the Hollaway family, I would see if the Aruban government will make a “deal” with JVS. If he will confess/lead them to the body, he can get a lesser sentence, e.g., manslaughter. If he does not take the deal and theyt find her and prove that he did it, he gets life. That may be the only way to solve this case.
Jake, I agree, I think he figured the story would be random enough that while they may not be convicted they would always be suspected.
DFW – gees, give Country a break. She’ll answer you when she can. She is more aware on here than any of the rest of us.
mike….u are quite right about cha ching..aruba shoudl eb thankful teh rpess is sticking around…because once this is over….they might be surprised teh slump they find thmselves in….they should be mindful of this
Be back later. Take care and God bless everyone no matter who you are!
Joran is the one involved with Natalee’s death / dissapearance period. He has not nor is he likely now to confess. NO EVIDENCE. Unless they find Natalee’ body soon, and she has forensic / toxicoloical evidence to provide, this case is over. Accidential drowning / close case
DFW there is no plea bargaining in their system
Jake Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 11:22 am
I think PVDS DID help with the Holiday Inn story. The result of that was going to be that the 2 security guards get arrested and convicted!!!
Then why would he tell them to say that they let her off at the front….knowing that there are security cameras that would show they were never there
DFW—I do not believe there is plea bargaining in Aruba.
Yliana–Am I correct on that about the plea bargaining?
well country moon..ilive in jamaica…and we have alot fo Jorans here too..unfortunateluy he does represent a certain stereotypcial profile…i think his demeanor when he first met natalees mom certainly matched this profile…who woudl react cockily towards a mother..scared or not?
I don’t get it though. There was a guy in Illinois who confessed to killing his own daughter after hours and hours of police badgering – and DNA proved him innocent! Maybe, if guilty, psychopath is a good word for Joran.
Hopefloat, i know there is no bargaining, but in this case and with Aruba having so much on the line, they might make an exception here. This publicity is killing them and a solved case will make all of this go away in due time. If I am in charge in Aruba, I make the deal.
these in a panic stories given by the boys have slowed this thing down. that and the hurry and charge the security guards. i feel we are getting no where.
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPLE HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT JORAN AND THE VDS’S?
DFW:
I believe a recent poster (and Aruban native) shared that the Dutch Law does not have provisions to ‘make deals’. I don’t know how to confirm that, but I know there are websites that quote Dutch Law; however it’s unlikely that ‘no deal’ would be indicated there.
Just thought I’d share.
Trisher—- badgering is a word that is appealing. Why don’t they just beat the piss out of the suspects until one tells the truth?? After a few severe beatings they may get the right answer
Realize, if you know for sure that body will never be found that would be a pretty good incentive to just keep your mouth shut and maybe throw out a new story every now and then just to get the interrogaters off their back for a few days. It was on a couple nights ago that Joran does not even get interrogated most days.
I am having second thoughts. I think JVS was involved, but that he may have handed NH off to someone else and that is why there is no evidence.
Re: “The rave party scenario seems very unlikely. There was such a narrow window of opportunity – less than an hour and a half.”
Where do you get 1-and-a-half hours? Say you’re JVDS. You leave bar at 1:00, arrive at party at, I don’t know, 1:30, see that the lions have pounced on Natalee and you panic – YOU might get in trouble for bringing her there and her friends might think YOU hurt her (and maybe you did, perhaps you were the first to take advantage of her), you call/text message Kalpoes for a ride outta there and catch a ride home – maybe with Dad, maybe with someone else at the party who wasn’t so innocent.
Natalee is left behind – drugged, dazed, weak, lost, confused, amongst strangers, victimized now. The lions have her for as long as they want, until they need to hide her or get rid of her (sorry that sounds terrible, I’m trying to “think like one of the lions.”). No timeline to worry about now.
Much is being said to side-track us here. I am seeing this from the “imposters”. I wish there were a registration type system where we had to login to post. That would help keep the fakes at bay. Next are those that are suggesting ideas that lead away from the likely target. I am still convinced there is more to be said and discussed about this country house. There are reports of some of Natalee’s belongings found at the country house. I cannot find any official word on this. Anyone? Please help us find her.
Country Moon, *hugs* I am sure you are feeling very upset about all of this. You have a great deal of strength and courage to share with us here. Thank you.
Hello, Rachael! Good to see you…
DWF Guy, if there’s no body ever located, then it will be extremely hard to have a case against J VdS…especially since there’s no proof a crime was committed…
I also think that Natalee’s body was disposed of by only the father and son. And thinking that this would not be such a big case, why would they go through all the trouble of getting a boat, involving other people,etc…..I think that the only 2 people that know that Natalee died is PVDS and Joran. All the Kalpoe brothers know is that they dropped off Natalee and Joran at the beach, and Joran asked them to lie about the story so that they wouldn’t be suspects.
Have you ever misplaced your car keys only to find them hours later in a place you thought you had already looked!! I think that Natalee is somewhere where searchers have already been. They just haven’t been looking closely!!!
Larry – but it was confirmed this morning so ther must be some truth to it.
I agree with Edie.
Jug said several times with Greta that when they confronted Joran and his father that PVDS kept saying, say nothing, say nothing. This whole thing was rehearsed and orchestrated.
I still think their first story and the changing of all the stories were to give them more time. They actually thought by the time they gave up the security guards and they were brought in and questioned it would give them 8 days. If she hadn’t been found and they kept changing their stories it would buy more time. The 3 going in on their own would make it looked like even though they were the last 3 to see her they were trying to help the case. All the deceit and lieing would keep the polis and press busy trying to figure out what actually did happen and looking in the wrong places. Now you just gotta wade thru the lies and find the answers, papa vds knew the longer the wait the less evidence that could be found. ” Remember the saying takes one to know one” well who better to know what to do in a situation like this that ” ONE” of them. No matter why he’s trying to cover his is covering.
Rachael – I think while we all speculate a lot, I think most still believe Joran, the Kalpoe’s and daddy are all involved in the most likely scenerio.
crs-that’s what i have been thinking, i just can’t cocentrate to get it out! lol i was going to post that to larry when he asked me about if i were in jail at 17.
The Dutch Marines were involved the second or third day.
i think the reference made to mickey john were in reference to peopel who often dont show up for flights etc…and are later found at some crack house or beach bar…but form what yliana says..the only crack houses are those used by locals who are homeless addicts..so i dont quite understand how a tourist would end up there???
Now, Larry…you know any ‘beatings’ would be considered a technicality…of which would cause dismissal of all charges.
How about disguising electrocution, as a polygraph, and afterwards say, “I told him not to drink any water during questioning”.
**Sigh** Oh well.
DFW:
The timeline I just wrote up was printed on Riehl yesterday. Not something I heard, just what I read.
CRS I AM HOPING THAT THEY AREN’T INVOLVED AND SHE IS ALIVE ON ANOTHER ISLAND OR SOMETHING.
confirmed where? yliana???
Yliana.what was??? I missed something
Trust me that Joran and friends will walk!!! I am certain of this. I think Aruban PM will ask them to leave Aruba.
i think the initial searches were just skimming on the surface. they didn’t go in depth on this at all.
MOM-they have not CHARGED them with anything yet, so no tech foul would apply
Wouldn’t a Rave Party more than likely be held by the locals for the locals? It was a Sunday night/Monday morning. Of course, bars & such would be open for the tourist but, the locals it would appear would have to be getting up Monday morning & going to work and/or school.
I would think that a Rave Party would be held on a Friday or Saturday night when more local people could attend????
What do I know…..I am 45 years old….been a long time since I was part of a party scene.
I think it highly likely as well that all the boys walk and NH is never found and maybe 10, 20 years from now, the truth comes out.
Mike – I got here the numbers for you.
As of December 2004, the number of active police officers:
Male – 338
Femail – 97
TOTAL – 432
Aruba gets about 600 thousand tourists per year.
AGAIN……PLEASE……Check the abandoned gold mines and related structures….
Mrs. Holloway isnt pointing enough fingers…It took simple words to arrest the 2 security guards and to search their homes – immediately I might add. Then you have these 3 suspects. Weeks go by.
The chaperones and Natalees friends must feel awful and whether they checked her room or not she was out just like most on the island. The question of chaperoning should be on Joran’s father – here we have a 17 year old that was gambling and drinking that very day with his father and his father goes home w/out his son??? Joran should not of even been in C & C’s. It was not Natalees old boy “friend” that assisted these suspects to lie and it is only the 3 that keep changing their stories. Also, when they keep showing Joran in handcuffs and the security guard – I am curious at to why Jorans hands are cuffed to the front and guards hand behind their backs???
JAKE,
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WILL WALK AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE ARUBA? WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TO PAUL AND THE REST OF THE VAN DER SLOOTS?
DO YOU THINK THAT THE POLIS BOTCHED THIS CASE?
New Girl.do you buy into the country house and lion theory?
Newgirl – there are two photos at that girl’s blog. I’d bet my house that both of those are Joran — no escaping that square head look, albeit a bit younger. At the tickle site, two people stick out as Joran’s closest buds — “Locoman” and “Jaime” (the latter hasn’t visited his site in a month). Here’s a Reynoldo in aruba that has over 400 tickle friends. He looks older and I’m still working thru his site — however, look at the pictures. He’s got a lot of pics that have assmotion and other rave website logos.
http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=.X5c4e4cTdeGBeOQ
i think the aruban govt is just trying to waste time and give the illusion they are doing something…bringing in marines…and these comments about american media ruining dutch legal systems “image”…i think they are forgetting teh image is something they themselves created…arresting micky j ni middle of night…raidning his house….then later saying tehy couldnt go in like cowboys on VDS’s…oh my…!! how transparent
Anything new yet? I am kinda hit and miss today.
Not to be rude, but there really is no need for people to repeatedly post “Joran did it” “Joran did it” “Joran did it” “Joran did it”.
If that is your opinion, fine. Why don’t you set up a poll somewhere so that you and others of a like mind can complain about the rest of us who are exploring alternative theories since the “simplest” explanation is not yet supported by proof.
Repeatedly posting “Joran did it” is not helpful or interesting and makes it appear as though you have an agenda.
I meant FEMALE
Yliana———- You also commented last night that Mary was not pure….explain please
CountryMoon, if you are still here. God be with all of you close to Natalee.
Can I just say from the onset of all of this I believe Natalee is still alive somewhere. I also think Beth believes this too. This story is just too weird, too uneasy feeling. Beth obviously knows much more than she or anyone else for that fact can say. But I keep hear her saying “those boys know where Natalee is”. And I know how she must feel.
I have been reading here since Natalee disappeared. Only have posted a few times. All the theories are pliable. But I have a question for Country Moon or anyone else.
The Lorenzo guy whose father owned the VW dealership, etc, known to have these parties. Was he involved in anyway.?
Larry – yes I do, very much
now they will throw hands up in air and say they cnat solve case….not enough evidence…and those boys will walk…i think deepak and satish are both mroe involved than what they claim…and steve croes..what a flaming idiot! who at 26 does this sort of thing? he looks guilt or liek a complete moron….very suspicious..!!!
new girl…………I feel the Lamb and the bros know where the house is at…….
Lisa-I remember watching this story on the news the day they arrested mickey john and the Aruban authorities said he would be charged with kidnapping and murder!!! Immediately they released his charges!!!! When they announced “alleged” charges against PVDS and Joran, they released PVDS that week!!!!
Larry – about the $2 million
WaWa I know it was said he was brought in for questioning but had an alibi ( from friends saying he was at his house at a party and was at the house all night) but Country might know more about and I think he/she left the site already.
the lions may have moved her
Daddy VDS also concocted and TOLD Joran/Kalpoes to blame it on black security guards as being the LAST to have seen NH after they dropped her off. Our society is so quick to assume that black men are so violent. Daddy VDS knows this horrible stereotype and knows that law enforcement would quickly nab the security guards and throw them in jail as to quickly resolve this case and keep the law off his sons jock! What he did was buy more time with all three suspects and it appears is working in their favor unfortunately! This case is such a huge mess!
joran is texting deepak saying he is home and will chat online with him at 3 am??? and he had an exam teh next am? why bother talking mroe….what did they have to talk about???one would think hed head to bed…
AnnaMaria – I’ll check out that link, thanks!
Larry – Come along down this path and check out AnnaMaria’s links. Help us try to expand our cast of characters. Also, have you looked at the Boston girl’s blog that I posted on the last thread?
Does anybody remember a Sergio being on the Tickle sites? I thought I remembered that, but when Sergio (Gomez, was it?) went missing I looked for it and didn’t find anything. Did these boys hang with a Sergio?
Captain_Chinabeard – I believe you are correct. But even if they do find a body, with this ammount of time (a month) if she’s been in the water, there’s likely to be little if any forensic / toxilogolic evidence. No cause of death – then she went for a midnight swim and got caught in a riptide.
The dirt is surfacing. The boys from the neighbourhood travelling to the pearl in Caribs. They were on their own. Everybody saw them. They are liars too.
The departure date was changed. Two more days on the island. Didn’t come with the group. Didn’t leave with the group.
The federales should go to a baseball game. Is he slugger or a fielder?
I thought the polis already had plans to pick up Steve Croes for questioning but he came in voluntarily. It almost looks like to me he done this so as to make himself look innocent of any wrongful acts.
YOU GUYS HAVE SOME MESSED UP THEORIES!
good points lisa but I am not convinced they walk and if they do I am not sure how long they will be “walking”
good points lisa but I am not convinced they will walk and if they do I am not sure how long they will be “walking”
Even if Joran is released and Natalee is never found, he will have a serious monkey(more like a gorilla) on his back wherever he goes.
There will always be people who are convinced that he knows more than what he is telling.
He will have to lead a very private life as will the Kalpoes.
If she is dead (accident or murder) maybe it will be another Laci deal where Natalee washes up at a later date and Aruba will reel him in (extradite) from the USA or wherever he ends up going to school.
I think he may have second thoughts about attending any USA colleges in the gulf states.
sorry for the double post
Simian – At midnight the bird sings. The rock is brown. I repeat the rock is brown
I have been reading these posts for several days, probably a couple of weeks. I think people yesterday were discussing Natalie had said something like”Aruba Aruba” when driving off with Joran and the Kalpoes. A thought came to me today, does Natalie know Spanish, “Ayuda Ayuda”would mean “help help”. Just a thought.
Simain- I’ve missed alot, please elaborate. What guys from the caribs?
the imposter (above) of Simian can’t even spell Simian’s name correctly. MORON!
You could very well be right Shelly
Larry – Mary is approached by the lamb and makes explicit request for him to follow her. This to me is not a shy innocent and saintly individual but a sexually aggressive one. This is the appearance in any case.
IS THAT THE REAL SIMIAN CAN ANYONE FIND OUT?
Jane-too high of profile item to move.the house is secure and more than likely polis protected…
new girl…..tell me more about your path please
Yliana……doesn’t that 2 million sound a bit much to have on a 17 year old?
I am weary of all these “cryptic” posts, Simian. Seems like you just crave attention…
yes..they will be walking but they better not go down any dark alleyways….like i said before….if Joran and 2 kalpoes are lying because they are fearful of reprisal form some sinsister aruban druglords…they might be safer with them as enemies…than an entire nation of irate americans….i dont think joran will be getting lucky anytime soon….
Greetings to All
its not simian its SIMAIN…..
Love the theories
Yliana——what was her temperment during her stay??? Was Mary looking?
LOL @ Mike1
I have been so captivated by this story and having been reading this board and another for days. As a mom living in Alabama, I feel this is close to home. I have a couple of thoughts:
Suppose that JVDS & his dad don’t know what the end result of that night is (or maybe they do) but have been threatened? It will take an outside party like the media (i.e. Greta) to expose the answer to keep all from harm. Someone mentioned the idea that maybe these guys have told all but are being kept in prison to protect them. I have also wonder if “Dirty Hands” helped to concoct the Holiday Inn drop off story with the family and the 2 brothers.
Someone please educated me about Raves and crack houses. All this came along after my “youth”. I think I understand Raves. But are crack houses basically a place to go buy the drugs? What is there that would cause one to remain there, of their own will. Do they just get so messed up and keep using and not leave?
To all the Mountain Brook kids-I am sorry that there are those questioning your actions on the trip. You are 18 and wanted to have fun. Hey, I have been there. So what if y’all drank too much and stayed out all night? As long as all was legal, good for you to enjoy your last hurrah with your classmates!
MOM.Is it too early for a beer?
There is something else I don’t understand….if Joran & the 2 brothers were only acquaintances & not “Best Friends”….why would they lie for him? Why would Joran call them up on that particular night to pick him up?
HAHA SCARED I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE HOW FUNNY WHAT A MORON
Larry:
Ummmmmm lets see………
Yep! Too early. Happy hour begins in exactly 63 mins, 4 secs.
country mentioned some boys that were hanging with joran at the cazino. does anyone have any information on them?
If there is any kind of coverup, YOU LISTEN TO ME: YOU WHO ARE INVOLVED IN ANY COVERUP IN THIS CASE: someday you will be judge by almighty GOD who will judge you much more harshly for not repenting NOW HERE ON EARTH
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE COVERING UP THIS CASE: Repent now and come clean! Don’t you have loved ones? Put yourself in the Holloway family’s place! For God’s sake, where is your MERCY?
The departure date was changed. Two more days on the island. Didn’t come with the group. Didn’t leave with the group.The federales should go to a baseball game. Is he slugger or a fielder?
The girl caller came to see her. Why didn’t he come with the group?
Shelly – Joran probably needed a lift to the”light house”. I wonder if police collected all the used condoms there?
good post curiosity!
as for this 2 mill insurance on natalee….i dont think it is true and last i heard the Holloways werent at all under suspicion…so werent instrumental in her death.. i think that this being brought up is silly
I mean, there must have been quite a few.
That is not the real simian. Ignore the fake phoney fraud!
Mis disculpas por el error. Lean de nuevo.
MOM.what do you think about the insurance policy on NH?
i don’t think they had time to drive all over the island to do all of this. i think they were close to home. to be able to cover all of this up and all, the timeline would be tight.
didn’t someone post a timeline of sorts that had peoples names. like when the security guards were brought in. when the boys were brought in. and then some guy came up missing? i think his last name was gomez or something.
Although, if drugs were involved, I doubt they’d use condoms.
Larry – $2 mill is definitely alot to have on an 18 yr old, however that is the real question, why would you take out a policy that big on such a young person. Makes you think there is something more to the story.
Larry – you’ve got to be kidding. Are you a parent?
What happened to Simian – inquiry minds want to know!!!’
Simian – can you come out and play?
DFW – I like the way you think. There isn’t any plea bargaining there. That is one of the problems right now – the lack of polygraphing being the other problem. There is no incentive for them to talk right now. If someone at the top with some stroke could somehow make an exception in this case and allow plea bargaining, that would go along way in solving this case. I don’t know if that can be done though as I have no idea how their law and constitution reads.
New Girl – Your scenario is possible I guess, but that is still alot to happen in a short period of time and so many things would have to have gone wrong all in one night for it to happen that way that I am skeptical. However, we both have every right to speculate the way we want and my opinion is worth about as much as I have in my pocket right now – which isn’t much. lol. We are all just guessing at this point, but that is pretty normal since not much factual is coming out of Aruba. Hopefully, the truth will come out soon.
His ticket was changed. Needed to stay two more days on the island. Why don’t the others say that they saw him? He was with them!
The Babylonians know that the federales are on him. He needs to answer some questions. Can’t figure out which position he plays. America’s passtime.
Lisa…the 2 mil has been confirmed hon
Larry: you’re barking up the wrong tree. any my name isn’t Lisa
Yliana is false on all that she says. Comes across sneakily but really is empty in the head. Follow the signs that have been given, in the old country house is where she is hidden.
Scared…oh yes, I am a parent…..what is your point?
hahaha anita VDS is saying teh only reason they are after her hubby is because he is a judge…oh my??? can u say delusional? or denial?
honey! the reason why your hubby is under scrutiny is because he has lied about what happened that night…and your son is changing his story …to the point where he has admitted to leaving her alone on a dark beach? and yes…as a judge he should be extra accountable…he has a position to uphold in society…he shouldnt be condoning his sons underage gambling…..that is a crime..and thsi as i have said before should be further investigated…does anyone know who regulates gaming in aruba??? this is a serious implication!!! and needs to be addressed….if he breaks law it shows he operates on teh fringe….so sorry mrs VDS your hubby deserves to be under scrutiny…she should keep her mouth closed..she is making herself look like a fool
No insurance policy has been confirmed
Remember, somewhere in the beginning of time a pair of panties with pink polka dots and a couple of condoms were found at the beach.
Isn’t Natalee’s dad an insurance agent and/or owns an agency? They probably had a 2 million dollar policy because he could probably get it for the same price that someone else would pay for a $100,000 one.
Curiosity – I don’t know how it is in Aruba, but with a rave I picture young people, high school & maybe college age, loud music / dancing, favored drug esctacy (but pot and maybe shrooms or LSD too, plus alcohol maybe). Trendy people, sexy people, rich people (and others not so rich), horny people (not all of them, but the drugs help with this part). People looking for a secret, sweaty energetic high in a trippy atmosphere with other people like them.
I picture a crackhouse as a place where maybe crack is sold, but mostly where it is smoked. By addicts. Who have no better place to go to smoke their crack – no elegant house or apartment, no high energy party with maybe an admission fee that you can’t pay because you need your extra $$ for your habit. Quiet. Lonely. Shifty glances at other crackheads, some people passed out. No booming music, no trippy atmosphere, no rich, trendy, sexy people. Full of addicts with nowhere else to go.
*UMA, you’re eyes are freakier than the runaway bride, scary, really scary.
Are we rhyming now?
I believe Natalee is alive for now. Continue to have hope and if you pray, pray with faith.
Riddle me this, riddle me that, why do you think the Lamb is afraid of the Cat? A cover up it may seem, but all that is golden does not necessarily gleam.
Scared..I was answering Lisa’s post of 11:58…….I am sure you are not Lisa.lol
It’s been fun talking to this bunch, I will be back, i must now go to lunch!
SS:
Why so hateful to Larry? He IS a parent, and was addressing Lisabobeesa. I think Larry has an opinion…just like we all do, including many questions.
Larry, yes I find that odd (if it’s a fact) that $2mil is a lot of coverage. But…who knows…maybe someone in their family is in the Insurance Industry & got them a great policy for a great premium? I wouldn’t read too much into it. I think the Holloway/Twitty family is genuine.
Devils, why are you telling us again about a theory that has been kicked around for days, the country house. Many of us believe it, but now sure what WE’RE supposed to do about it from behind our keyboards.
Another cryptic clue giver with information already given, joy.
This Lorenzo is named to be a illigimated son of Paulus Van der Sloot. He had sex with Lorenzo’s mother before he met and married Anita VDS and a son was born out of that relationship: Lorenzo.
Allthough I don’t fully believe these stories, I read that he is a crazy man who gives underground dope parties and stuff happens there that aren’t too nice if you know what I mean.
I just hope Natalee is found soon, alive or dead I don’t care anymore, I just want closure for the family and for everyone involved. This has taken way too long and it keeps on going, I don’t understand how this can be????
I live in Belgium, so I too fall under Dutch Law, gosh, I never imagined our law to be so difficult and other then the American law. I am ashamed to be part of the dutch people because if this would’ve happened elswhere like in the states, it would have been long solved by now.
I hope someone will speak and soon!!!!!!!
c ya jake
FAKE SIMIAN GO AWAY
Larry: you think the Holloways had their kid bumped off for $2 mil insurance? INSANE!
How many parents here have 2 mil on their kids? I am not accusing anyone of anything on that topic, but it seems like a lot to me.
Devils advocate why be so crass, pulling the same old clues out of your ass,
We’d rather hear some newfound stuff, so why just rhyme the same old fluff?
Big Pappy do not speak, for the truth you soon shall see. Dogs once again are chasing cats in and out of these old shacks. Be still just a minute, for this out come there is not a time limit. However it is clear, they have already found her here. Silence around this island is so loud. To come out they must first clear the croud.
Living in Belgium, falling under Dutch law? No way.
Wow, fake Simian seems to want to point the finger at…let me guess…Natalee’s ex-boyfriend. What a turnaround for you, fake Simian!
this is an exerpt from a veeeerrrrryyyyy long post made by absolut on the forum:
friday, june 17 6:30 am steve gregory croes arrested
saturday, june 18 8:00 am rene van heyningen found murdered ‘columbian necktie’ van heyningen’s body dumped in government cemetery
??? paulus & anita vds questioned by police
??? sergio gomez reported missing
okay….i think the necktie guy was the one who fought with his ex gf or something. but does anyone know the sergio man? could he possibly be missing because he left the country with someone?
Isn’t Natalee’s dad an insurance agent and/or owns an agency? They probably had a 2 million dollar policy because he could probably get it for the same price that someone else would pay for a $100,000 one.
Johnny I am not insane, just an old friend with a new name. Hoping to escape the intruder fate.
Nick : under what law do we fall then??
So what, the media circus needs to die down before anything will be found out? Dogs already going where they need to? No time limit? They have already found her?
Scared.you are trying to put words in my mouth now…..I never said that.I was curious why that was brought up in discussion and was looking for comments.As much as you see me on here you should know my theory of the house in the country is where I stand.thank you
was it travel insurance? and where was this confirmed…??? i have seen no confirmation..can u send me a link
DA, if you’re an old friend you’ll work with the blog, help us dig through this coverup fog, give us tips that can help us learn, for Shango’s clues some of us still burn.
Dave Holloway is a State Farm Insurance agent in Meridian, Miss.
Shelly,
NH’s dad could not get a policy for 2M at the same price as $100K.
However, while large in the face amount, it is not unusual for a policy to be taken out for a child.
Many reasons, insure future insurability, cash for college, weddings, etc.
What do you think? It’s pretty much Belgian law, which has to follow European Guidelines. But basically every country has it’s own law. Where did you get the idea that you would fall under Dutch law? French law would have been just as applicable, at least for the south of Belgium.
Ahem. Why would any parent who had their kid bumped off for insurance money spend a month in a foreign country to insist on having the crime solved, bring in a search team, spend countless hours, days and weeks pleading for media coverage, and so on?
IF a parent had done such a thing, I believe they would have “asked for privacy and prayers during this difficult time,” would have stayed in Alabama (or returned after the first two arrests – woo-hoo! Aruba already has a scapegoat, complete with Dutch and Surinamese witnesses to point the finger! This was easier than we thought!), and would have waiting for Aruba to sweep this quietly under the rug so that when the year expires (or however long it is) and Natalee’s still gone, they can quietly collect the insurance money.
I personally cannot see any imaginable basis whatsoever for believing this has anyting to do with insurance.
Good point, Lisa. But as for myself & another poster on here. Could it be that the family simply got an insurance policy @ a great price? If in fact, that is true.
One thing’s for sure…I don’t think ANYONE on here is insinuating that there was a hidden meaning for a big ins. policy.
There’s just soooo many questions. We just want Nat found.
Mark 2 – indeed plea bargaining is not allowed – to change that would be to change the entire Penal Code which cannot be done in just 1, 2, 3.
Devil’s A. – please tell what I said that was false!
Lisa – PvdS was detained because of inference made to something he said during the Twitty-VDS meeting, which raised suspicion – this suspicion was ultimately dismisseda by the judge.
MurfTN,
Thank you for sharing that info. My ‘gut feeling’ has come thru! WHOO HOO!
I had read somewhere that Natalie’s dad works for an insurance company so it would be perfectly normal for him to have insured her. He probably bought a whole life policy (cheaper the younger you are when you originate them) that she could take over paying after college. I am a parent and think that would be a very normal, responsible thing to do-it would look after his future grandchildren. And in this day and age, for a policy of $2mill, if it were to be kept for ever like a whole life policy, that is not very much. At today’s interest rates, you would earn $100k/year which is not exhorbitant nowadays.
But back to my curiosity, if someone knows something or knows if she is even alive or not, can’t someone somehow get word to her family so they can have peace of mind? And if she is not alive, maybe somehow let her know what was done with her body? Call Greta so she can tell them!! Natalie’s mom may already know but just in case…
i hear ya mom! hahaha funny calling someone mom…being one myself…im usually on other end of that call
p.s.
Ohhhh lookie! I made a rhyme, too!
**claps loudly and pats herself on the back**
Mike 1 – Why all the sarcasm? Do you really believe all is well in Aruba? I have been to Aruba, I have seen their culture and their small community, their way of life. Believe me all this NOT well for them now. EVERY place in the world has it’s seedy people and NO place is perfect. These people have compassion & empathy for the Holloway family and pray for her safe return or at least an answer for her family.
As for room being empty of tourists, I doubt it. I have been to many Carribbean island’s and even after this has happened I can tell you Aruba is the safest. And my family will be returning there AGAIN in November. Have you ever been to Cancun. Have you any idea what REALLY goes on there? Yet people, including teens flock there year after year.
It’s about common sense, and using it, whether at home or abroad. This could have happened ANYWHERE in the world. This could and DOES happen everyday in major US cities. And your authorities DON’T always have the answers either, so don’t kid yourself.
It’s time to quit bashing the Arubans and put more postive energy into praying for Natalee and her family.
Guys, trust me on this one. There is nothing to be made out of an insurance policy–really. I have a 6 year old that has a policy for $500,000. I used to work in the insurance business and can tell you that it is not what you guys think. Also there are no discounts on the cost of a policy for someone that works in the business.
Big Pappy: let me put a little *bug* in your eyes; the bigger to see you with!
wel yliana ..i hear you..but in fact tehy were repeatedly questiioning him the days before the greta interview….and so he conflicted there but it was in regard to him knowing something he said he didnt
Does anybody know if Joran has any friends that work at the port?
On Monday, May 30th…Celebrity X Cruises vessel named “Century” arrived at the port with lay over hours of 7:00a.m. – 6:00p.m.
There are also storage units that can be rented by anyone at this port.
Could someone working at this port and/or cruise ship have taking her aboard (dead or alive)? I believe the next port of call was Willemstad in Curacao…the next island over from Aruba
Lisa:
I don’t mind being CALLED mom, either. (Been called worse from trolls LOL)
I’m probably old enuff to be a LOT of people’s mom on here.
**Sigh……..oh well**
TammyT is right.
MOM—LOL You are very funny today..
Let me know when happy hour is–I don’t want to miss it..
Hi Rachael, edie, jake and the gang
MOM.what gut feeling ?
Happy hour:
34 mins. & counting
tammy i shared your opinion and sentiments weeks ago..problem is teh way aruba is dealing with this is very suspicious and shady..and has needlessly jeopardized thsi family in finding out where their daughter is let alone find what happened….i think everyone agrees this crime can happen anywhere ..its just highlighting the cover up and corruption that is very evidnet here
new girl,
about that pic of “uron” on the peeved princess site, I wanted to note that those pics and posts are from last summer. 2004. I know that I “grew up” substantially in my late teen years, each year. How I looked when I was 16 was very far removed from how I looked at 17. I think that is true of most teenagers. To me, in those pics, it looks just like “our” Joran, only one year younger. Think of this… His brother Valentijn is 15. He looks VERY much like the 2004 “Uron”. It could VERY easily be Joran a year ago. I wouldn’t say he looks a LOT younger. But, he DOES look like Joran a year younger than we see him today.
new girl – I’m not saying the parents did this, but let’s just play with it a bit – how many cases haven’t you heard of the spouse calling 911 all frought with anguish and panic that ‘someone’ killed their wife/husband, only later to find out it was after all them. Scott Peterson! That Smith woman who murdered her 3 children –
It’s all appearances.
But then again, we have that other side of the story that is still not completely clear.
where is Lorenzo ?
I have a question, when Greta interviewed Mickey John lastnight on tv why do you think he said ” Depak had told him , Me Satish and the Vds “family” sat around and came up with the story about dropping her off at the HI. Why wouldn’t he just mention Pvds and not say “family” Do you think there were others there maybe to help decide this as in someone else in the family possibly the illegimate son, because the mom and other kids were in Holland. Anyone have any speculation on the word “family”being used?
MOM…….I set my watch ahead.LMAO
Did someone say Happy Hour!! I haven’t had a cosmo since last week!!!!
I’m getting confused here. I thought NH father worked in the government (can someone clarify)?????? Now they are saying that he is an insurance agent??Can someone collect insurance $ if body is not found???
what i mean is..teh only hope natalees family to cut through thisis to put pressure on…although i think its too late…too much evidnece lost and too much should shrugging….using dutch law as their shield…
Larry:
Gut feeling was that if, in fact, the story rings true regarding the $2 mil ins. policy, that a family member (or friend) was able to offer this policy at a reduced rate.
Another point, some policies allow you to withdraw $$ for college, etc, as another poster noted above.
No biggie, I just think that might be the case.
I would love to hear more about this Lorenzo character; can anyone give me a quick recap on him?
TammyT, You say praying is positive energy? I say keeping the pressure on Aruba (you remember the police who didn’t search the vehicles or homes for how long? the same ones who released the prime suspects for 10 days) is positive energy. Business is well in Aruba, they’re now renting room to rescuers. the only reason this case is now getting Aruban attention is that it MIGHT effect tourist dollars. get real. Tourism has tripled in ten years but Aruba hasn’t increased it’s police force. Are they then providing LESS protection to our young people?
Jake,
It would be very difficult in this case. I can tell you that after 9/11 policies were paid to family members w/o a body being found. However it took months and the beneficiaries had to had a certificate of death issued by the city.
I really don’t think that the policy is that big of a deal, I also believe that NH father does work for the government.
Mom better hurry with happy hour, I could use a martini
MOM and Larry-are you heading to Carlos and Charlie’s or something??!! ROFLOL!!!
TammyT, You say praying is positive energy? I say keeping the pressure on Aruba (you remember the police who didn’t search the vehicles or homes for how long? the same ones who released the prime suspects for 10 days) is positive energy. Business is well in Aruba, they’re now renting room to rescuers. the only reason this case is now getting Aruban attention is that it MIGHT effect tourist dollars. get real. Tourism has tripled in ten years but Aruba hasn’t increased it’s police force. Are they then providing LESS protection to our young people?
uma…not only lorenzo…but gomez. maybe he took her off the island because they knew the equu team would find them.
MOM………..I am going to mow the yard………email me if something new comes about please
Yliana.care to share emails?
Hello every body.
DFW said:
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If I was the Hollaway family, I would see if the Aruban government will make a “deal” with JVS. If he will confess/lead them to the body, he can get a lesser sentence, e.g., manslaughter. If he does not take the deal and theyt find her and prove that he did it, he gets life. That may be the only way to solve this case.
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I agree. A deal is needed to get one of the boy to identify the location where Natalee is. There must be some kind of incentive (a reduced loss) for them to come forward with the truth.
Sobelle
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:25 am
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First time poster but I’ve been lurking as a guest for a while so please be kind. This may not amount to a hill of beans but I have been searching on the guy named Lorenzo Van Rijn since you guys have been trying to find information on him. I haven’t been able to find anything with using the first name Lorenzo yet but I have found something I thought was kind of interesting concerning a company with the name of Van Rijn in Aruba. It appears that there are 3 business that may be affiliated with one another.
1st business Van Rijn IM- EN Export N.V. looks to be an import/export business from the listing. What I really thought was kind of odd as I kept on looking was that I also found 2 other companies which were and automotive company and a diesel company listed all at the same location. All 3 of these companies are located at the same address in Bacadera in Aruba. I’m not sure but I think this may be a shipping/cargo area.
2nd business known as R & S Diesel Service has the exact same phone number as the Van Rijn Im- En Export N.V. business.
3rd business known as R & S Automotive and Industrial Parts N.V. sell Volkswagon cars which you guys have mentioned that Lorenzo was connected to a Volkswagon dealership on the board before. This business has a different phone number but the exact same fax number as R & S Diesel Service.
This may have absolutely nothing to do with anything and may all be normal occurrences for businesses in Aruba but it kind of bothered me since the last name (Van Rijn) is the name on an import/export business. My apologies to the companies I’ve written about if I’m out in left field with all of this. My daughter and I came up with this information in hopes that it might be helpful in finding Natalee.
MOM–thank you for your acknowledgement of my above post!!
As curiousity said, policies of this size are much less expensive when insuring younger people.
Good question cosmo man, I don’t think an insurace company will pay out without a body.
As far as Mr. John goes, why didn’t he say this stuff before?
Interesting theory about the Cruiseship being a possible transport medium for NH, although it is very difficult to smugle someone on board a cruiseship.
please who is gomez ? i got who lorenzo was ! but where are these dudes and why is there speculation that there invovled someone please clear this up for me ?
Dave Holloway is a State Farm Insurance agent in Meridian, Miss.
See this link:
http://www.postherald.com/nw062405.shtml
Cur..I will not frequent the den there…..
Gomez and Lorenzo fit into this pictuer how, pktbk? I feel this case will go down in history as the case of the century. It has more twists and turns than any I have heard of in quite some time.
on a timeline made by absolut on the forum board, it was brought up that a man named sergio gomez came up missing during all of this. like on the 18th.
i wouldnt knock tammy….i agree with her…only my position has been chnaging when i see the run around by aruba officials who are obviously in conflict with case and jeopardizing its integrity..have been giving this family….pressuring and keeing vocal is the familys only chance to get any answers…and even that hope is diminishing….i belieeve alot in positive energy…dont underestimate that! and dont underestimate happy hour either…hahahaha
Thanks Kris!
We need to verify if NH father works for the govt. or not. Country moon, can you answer this?
Jake:
Regarding collecting Ins. $ if a body is not found:
From personal knowledge (because of a similar case here in MO), in the US, a person may be declared dead, if after 5 years a body has not been found. At that time, a death certificate can be issued & given to the family. This is not mandatory, and is the decision of the family, after 5 years.
Larry: You lush, you! **Giggle**
wow thanks jane where you gettin all this from what sorce
TammT – thank you for your perspective – most people just spout out gibberish because after all it’s easier to blame someone than actually work towards a solution. I thought that is why we are here – to explore new theories so that somehow in the midst of many ‘unlikely scenarios’ there is one that makes perfect sense.
RUMOUR
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There is said that the father of NH for his job shuts down drugcartels, not only in the us but also in colombia. A source that wants to be anonymous because he also sells drugs reports to have seen NH on the beach close to the Holiday Inn on the night of her disepearance with a american and a local aruban. The source says that NH is killed and that it was done in order by a colombian drug lord who had something to set straight with NH dad.
Food for thought before I go…….
Who was the only one to leave the lions den?
Shelly,
Thanks for clarifying that..I stand corrected about the government post.
But I can most definetly tell you that he didn’t get the policy (if there is one) at a discount because he is an insurance salesman.
CuriosityKillstheCat:
“To all the Mountain Brook kids-I am sorry that there are those questioning your actions on the trip. You are 18 and wanted to have fun. Hey, I have been there. So what if y’all drank too much and stayed out all night? As long as all was legal, good for you to enjoy your last hurrah with your classmates! ”
Curiosity:
Nobody denies the ’05 grads right to a celebration. And drinking in balance is ok. “I have been there” too. But it is just that “so what if y’all drank too much” half assed mentality that was a direct link to Natalees disappearance.
I’ve got news for you, after this is either solved or the page is turned, there will be a couple of hard lessons learned about how to keep track of EVERYBODY in your group when on a trip.
Kinda funny how we have yet to hear from any of the group that were at C&C’s around 1:00am – Whats that all about ? The two that talked to Greta (her so-called “friends” from Mountain Brook) left (conveniently) around an hour earlier (about midnight)
There will be some hard questions about that that have yet to be answered.
Not that anyone is to blame directly, but there were obvious mistakes in events and communications. In other words, if Natalee could slip away that easily any of them could have.
At the same time that all hope and every avenue to find Natalee should be explored, everybody can and needs to learn from this, some more than others.
Careless and out of balance drinking and drugs leads to thousands of missing,murdered,robbed and raped and date raped cases (just like this one) every year in our country (USA)
Regardless of anbodys “dime a dozen” opinions or “who cares” (retarded) mentality, wouldn’t it make sense for more people to apply the lessons learned to reduce that number of cases?
Intelligent people know it makes sense.
If you react defensively to learning from a hard lesson,
CuriosityKills: Thank God most people are a little more intelligent than”so what if y’all drank too much”
FOX NEWS ALERT: Aruba Prosecutor just announced that there will be more arrests!
Curiosity,
Yep! Larry & I are going right over to C & C’s, to take a massive dump, right on the bar.
Care 2 join us?
**chows on her burrito, to prepare for the festivities**
Hello Jane, I’ll ne nice to you.
The companies you mention are well known companies on the island, and the name van Rijn, although not too common on the island, is a very common Dutch last name.
One of the most famous Dutch painters of all time was called Rembrandt van Rijn.
I don’t really think this hhas anyhting to do with the case.
i don’t think they are connected uma, i was just throwing it out there. desperate i guess. lol
more suspects supposed to being brought in according to prosecution ..was on fox
Jake— YOU ARE MY HERO!!! PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED
Just kidding Larry! I wouldn’t either and certainly won’t be letting my child go. Shall be interesting to see what all the Class of 2006′s do for their Senior trips next year! The beaches of Florida are rather appealing now.
JANE: What a wonderful job!! Thank you for the research. I find it very interesting.
Kris Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
Shelly,
Thanks for clarifying that..I stand corrected about the government post.
But I can most definetly tell you that he didn’t get the policy (if there is one) at a discount because he is an insurance salesman.
Kris….I just thought that maybe he didn’t take a commission on it…therefore the payments every month would be cheaper.
MOM.pass me the chili and hot sauce please
thank you jake!! real news and it’s good!! if one of them is lorenzo i will puke! lol
Thanx, Jake! Keep us posted on more!!
Oopps (blush) sorry LISABOBESE–Didn’t see your post
YOU ARE MY HERO TOO!!!
CUR………landshark………lol
Geez where does this shit all come from. There is NOT a 2 million dollar life insurance policy on Natalee. Tha tis just crap! Where do you guys come up with this stuff! And as for Yliana suggesting the family had some involvement in this is sick on your part.
Beaches of Florida? How about the shark attacks?
G- I have read that Lorenzo’s father was the owner of a VW dealership, which is at this address, and they export cars. I know the name is very common, but just because it is common doesn’t mean you ignore it. But thanks for being nice. One of my major happens to be art history so I am aware of his art.
g-we aren’t allowed to comment on that.
Here ya go, Larry! Chili and Fire Sauce (hot enuff?).
Would you like a Bud Light to wash that down?
Geez where does this shit all come from. There is NOT a 2 million dollar life insurance policy on Natalee. Tha tis just crap! Where do you guys come up with this stuff! And as for Yliana suggesting the family had some involvement in this is sick on your part.
Shelly,
I get it now, sorry. It doesn’t really work like that though. A lot of the commission goes to the actual “manager” of the office, for example whoever oversees the office. It isn’t like the brokerage business where the agent can charge lower, or no commission. The insurance agent gets a precentage of the premium in comissions, established by the company.
I hope I am making sense—ARGHHH Happy Hour Yet?
Anyway thanks so much for clearing up where he works, that rumor was flying around for a while.
Ok, just trying to help out, but what does Lorenzo have to do with this case? I must have missed the whole Lorenzo affair.
will someone please comment on the post earlier about the brothers washing their car at 2 AM that morning
AND where is the link for the video that aired on fox showing natalee’s room & her passport?
WHo is LORENZO
Can someone please tell me why no one types C@sino?
Hi First Amendment-I don’t disagree with you and know that there was some bad judgement on that trip. At the time I wrote that, I had just read a lot of post of people dumping on those kids and several trying to defend their actions so I wanted to give them a little boost.
I can assure you that I am not one to just say “so what” as I have had a family member killed due to alcohol. There is much to learn from this experience. I would say it is not that they did something wrong, just didn’t do it neccessarily right. I really think more responsibility should have been given to the chaperones who should have taken the “designated driver” roll and really looked after everyone. But I am not dumping on them as that is not what was agreed upon in the beginning. But I am sure it will be in the future and many more liability waivers to sign than ever!
It’s used to be big news to bring in more suspects.
But, now we know how they do their work. They bring in new suspects only to release some other suspects.
It’s an investigation going in circle.
RE: the FOX news alerts…
That is NOT what was reported. What WAS reported was that the reporter spoke to the prosecutor who refused to RULE OUT further arrests. She did NOT say they were pending. She just would not rule it out.
Couriosity:
I think that nat’s mom knows something… she has been so peaceful the last two days, & very thankful sounding, grateful, if i may
Kris.it’s 5 o’clock somewhere
mom….Keystone light for me..beer water.lol
Justin T……chill out, this IS a discussion group you know
NL,
If this wasn’t so serious your Rumor would almost be funny. Nat’s dad has NOTHING to do with shuting down drug cartels. Unbelieveable
concerned…the footage of hotel room was from on teh record last night with greta..so i would check gretas pages on fox webpage
concerned 4natlaee,
you need to go to the other post to read about Lorenzo. Newgirl has a huge post about him. I think he is some type of big shot drug dealer who has a raver/underground party house. I think thye say he was questioned in the beginning of the investigation. Never heard anything about the brothers washing their car, and the link is probably somewhere on faxnews.com.
to: country moon
have the kids close to natalie been asked if she talked about joran when she first met him and what she said. did she pack her clothes or did someone else pack for her–i have heard both. also how do they know she had $50 cash as i first heard it was a credit card and drivers license and later the drivers license and cash. had she talked to her mom while she was on the trip and when was that?
Concerned, I think “LORENZO” must be some secret keyword between the regulars on this board. I have noticed they have a tendency to ignore new “bloggers”. However PKTBK did reply to my post (which I thank you for), but did not shed much light on who “LORENZO” is.
wfsit:
You mean they said something OTHER than “No Comment”?
Oh that’s right! Caren has a copyright on that! My bad!
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