Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru: Joran Van der Sloot Lying Again … Laptop Study Shows that Searches on Natalee Holloway Much Earlier in the Day

 

LIAR … LIAR!!! THIS COMES AS A SURPRISE TO NO ONE …

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, guess what … it just might be a pathological, lying, murderous sociopath.

What a shock, dateline Peru … Joran van der Sloot is lying again when it comes to the murder of a girl. Like we have not seen this act play out all too numerous times in the past. Now Van der Sloot, the Dutch Sporter is lying to save his bacon in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot has claims that he murdered Flores in a fit of passion and rage after discovering that she had violated his privacy and has looking up information on his laptop in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van derSloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru’s police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

“She didn’t view anything about Holloway. It’s a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case),” Gonzales said.

Information from Joran’s laptop has led investigators in Peru that Van der Sloot has been lying to them. Really, waht was your first thought?  The defense by Joran van der Sloot and his attorney was just a lame excuse to try and mitigate Van der Sloot’s sentence and blame the victim in the process. Where have we heard that before? Van der Sloot has lied so many times in an effort to keep himself from the being convicted that it is about time he gets his just desserts.

RNW has provided even further information as to the time line of Joran Van der Sloot and Stephany Flores in the time leading up to and after her death. As the investigation into the laptop has shown, Stephany Flores could not have been looking on Joran’s laptop at the time when she was murdered. The searches were done earlier in the day. So what will Joran Van der Sloot’s next excuse lie be?

The detectives also found that Flores did not search for information on Natalee Holloway immediately before the murder, as Van der Sloot claims. The laptop was used to search for details of the Holloway case, but much earlier in the day,Dutch website Crimesite reports. Van der Sloot says he killed Flores in a fury when he saw she was reading about his alleged involvement in Holloway’s disappearance.

Between 04.24 and 08.23 Van der Sloot’s laptop was in use, with a number of pauses, and two poker websites were visited. This could suggest Van der Sloot went on playing poker after murdering Flores. Another possibility is that the murder took place after the poker games were finished. This would mean the killing did not take place during a row shortly after the two returned to the hotel at 05.30, as he claimed in his initial statement to the police.

Is any one really surprised that once again Joran Van der Sloot is lying? How many times have we seen this same game play out in Aruba in the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway? Van der Sloot lies from the outset of the Natalee Holloway case when he stated that he and the Kalpoe’s left her off at the Holiday Inn hotel after leaving with her from Carlos N’ Charlies, implicating two black security guards. Van der Sloot would later lie as to where he went after he claims he left Natalee on the beach near the Fisherman’s Huts. Then there were the numerous confessions where Joran would admit to Natalee’s death and dumping her in the ocean. All that he would later recant and say that he was lying. So when does a liar who consistently lies, tell the truth? The double negative probably proves in his confessions that he was tell the truth that he took part in Natalee’s death.

Flash-forward 5 years to the date of the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba and we have the death of Stephany Flores. Coincidence? Hardly. The common denominator in both cases is Joran Van der Sloot. What are the chances that one person could be implicated in both cases of the death of two girls? How many times will a confession

Van der Sloot and his attorney have claimed that the little Dutch boy murdered Flores in an “crime of passion”after he  returned to the room after getting coffee, where Joran claimed he found Flores using his laptop to look for information on the Holloway case. Joran then lost his temper and killed her. Seems completely normal thing to do. NOT! However, how difficult is it really to analyze a laptop computer to see the history cache as to what sites were visited and when as opposed to forensic analysis of a hard drive that would showproof positive. Further analysis of the PC showed that after the murder of Stephany Flores, Van der Sloot looked to see what countries did not have extradition with Peru.

But there is just one problem with Joran Van der Sloot’s claim that he killed Flores in an act of passion after seeing her on his laptop, according to an analysis of that computer, it was turned off between Saturday, May 29 around 3 p.m. and Sunday, May 30 around noon. Oops. Papa Sloot is not around to get his cronies in the LE to cover up the evidence. Hey Joran … THIS AIN’T ARUBA!

Previously, Van der Sloot’s lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro stated that ”the FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client’s computer.” Really? One would like to think that the Little Dutch boy who had lied his way thru the case, obstructed justice, implicated others and had not been indicted in the death of Natalee Holloway was too cleaver to have any such incriminating evidence on his laptop. However, just because there is nothing on the laptop that would tie Joran to the death of Natalee, does not mean that there is not evidence that would be damning to him in the death of Stephany Flores.

We can only hope that Peru is no Aruba and this sociopath gets exactly what he has coming to him.



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    50 Responses to “Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru: Joran Van der Sloot Lying Again … Laptop Study Shows that Searches on Natalee Holloway Much Earlier in the Day”

    1. Tamikosmom on March 26th, 2011 12:04 pm

      November 19, 2008:

      BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it’s been a long time, but it’s never too late for justice. And I’d be good with a “Midnight Express” prison anywhere for Joran.

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

    2. NGBoston on March 26th, 2011 10:49 pm

      Van Der Sloot is a walking dead Man. No big celebrity in prison in Peru as he pretends to be.

      Mama Sloot has lost her rotten Husband and now shuns her own demon spawn.

      WHERE DID YOU PUT NATALEE, JORAN?

      ********* J4N & J4S ******************

    3. A Texas Grandfather on March 26th, 2011 11:10 pm

      Joran got away with killing Natalee in a legal sense. However, GOD is not through with him. He will suffer total extinction when the “Angel of death” visits him at the proper time.

      How do we punish all of those that assisted the crime in Aruba? By making certain that zero US dollars go to that country in any form. Let the people suffer the fate of their corrupt justice system.

    4. ghost on March 28th, 2011 12:39 am

      Justice for Natalee now (where is Crossbow?)

    5. NGBoston on March 28th, 2011 7:34 pm

      #4- Indeed—–what ever happened to Crossbow?

      #3– Agreed….God is certainly not finished with the little Sporter yet. I hope the “Angel of Death” visits JVDS sooner than later, also. The longer he stays inside the prison walls of Peru, this only assures his safety.

      The moment he is loose, he first must face the angry Peruvian Public for the murder of Stephany Flores (good luck there) and if he even makes it through that mob scene-(bullet proof vest and all) then he will be extradited to the US to face his exortion charges here. By then, he will be older, and nothing he can do will keep him out of a US Federal Prison if he even makes it there.

      His “quality of life” as he knows it is OVER. Aruba will never prosecute him for his involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway-so the rest is, as we say, up to the Big Guy in Heaven.

      Joran, you SUCK !

    6. crossbow on March 29th, 2011 10:49 pm

      I’m still here: I never left.
      In my opinion:
      I feel in my heart that Natalee was cremated with help from Paulus and Rene; probably because of injuries to Natalee that would prove her death was not an accident. Perhaps not meditated; but manslaughter.
      After all my research and trip to Aruba; it would take evidence (a body) to change my opinion.
      Keon, Sanders, Freddie, Michael Dompig, Guido Wever, Geoff Von Cromvoirt, Loco Stef, some of the Mansurs, Santos and others were there. It happened either at the Lighthouse or Joran’s.
      I believe now that Joran drugged Natalee and was selling her (and 20 others) to his friends in a drugged condition, Something went wrong (anyone’s guess) and she was murdered to prevent her from pressing charges. Papa Sloot covered his son’s butt and contacted his friend at Mementomori funeral home. Either she was cremated at the industrial incinerator or at the funeral home which caters to cremation.
      The Olive Tree.
      Incidentally; Yolanda Wever; owner of Mementomori listed her residence at the same address as
      The Olive Tree funeral home.
      When I brought that information to Natalee’s family, shortly thereafter the Mementomori web site went down and has been down since July ‘09.

      http://theolivetreefuneralhome.com/

      http://theolivetreefuneralhome.com/funerals.php

      http://theolivetreefuneralhome.com/staff.php

    7. crossbow on March 29th, 2011 10:58 pm

      For a listing of funerals go all the way down to

      Sildo Maduro

      Crenmation is offered.
      I also believe that Paulus was cremated there and the remains sent to The Netherlands. It takes special preparation and certification to ship a corpse by air; but not ashes.
      Fitting isn’t it that Paulus was also cremated.

    8. ghost on March 30th, 2011 10:38 am

      Still believe after all this time there are plenty of people on that island who know where she is and will come forward. Crossbow I miss our long talks about the Lighthouse and the caves, email me!!!

    9. NGBoston on March 31st, 2011 7:04 am

      #6 & 7 @ Crossbow:

      Very interesting theories. We all know after Joran went to Thailand he was still heavily involved in Human Sex Trafficking.

      Hence, Paulus’- “No Body, No Crime” statement. Then what say you about the Van Der Eem interviews—she was not dumped out at Sea? What about the boat, the witnesses who saw both Paulus and Joran with wet clothing the next morning after Papa Sloot came to rescue the Little Sporter and cover up the crime?

      We all knew Paulus was dirty from the start, and each corrupt Aruban official you named is in this up to their necks. Hence, he will never ever be prosecuted for the Crime there. Disturbing.

      How ironic is it, that an Olive Tree Branch is represents the symbol of peace and good will?

      *** Never Forget Natalee Ann Holloway ****

      We will always stand by the Girl and her Family.

    10. NGBoston on March 31st, 2011 7:05 am

      Morning, SM-

      Can you check for a post in the Spam Folder.

      Thanks and have a great day!
      ___________
      SM: Found it.
      R

    11. WidgetTheMidget on April 1st, 2011 12:29 pm

      Jorans Life Is Worth Less Than $10 …..

      Thats The Cost In Peruvian Jail For A Snuff

      Out ….Still Think He Sold Natalee To Fuel His

      Gambling Habit….

    12. poet54 on April 1st, 2011 4:29 pm

      Pardon this comment, because I am a Christian,
      but I’ve got to say…What a monster!

      I still say God took Paulis’ life at that time
      because he aided Joran in covering up the
      murder, and in God’s world, that’s definitely
      a ‘no no.’ I do believe the Lord sometimes does
      not wait until earthly death to pass judgement
      on certain evilness.

      I am someone who has had several spiritual
      experiences, and turned to Christianity because
      of what I have seen.

    13. ghost on April 2nd, 2011 5:27 pm

      Widget, if he had of sold Natalee she would have surfaced by now, besides he told us over and over that he killed her, now if he would just tell us where she is.

    14. Waterboy on April 3rd, 2011 10:09 pm

      Crossbow,

      The lighthouse or the restaurant near the lighthouse makes sense. (A party after hours). We also have the death of the curly headed 17 yr. old who worked at the restaurant, supposedly of an asthma attack (I can’t remember his name).

      Also mysterious is the death of the 42-year-old lady by the last name of Wever. She is connected in some way.

      How were they they involved? There have to be more butts being covered, other than just our worthless main suspect Joran.

    15. Waterboy on April 3rd, 2011 10:10 pm

      Crossbow,

      The lighthouse or the restaurant near the lighthouse makes sense. (A party after hours). We also have the death of the curly headed 17 yr. old who worked at the restaurant, supposedly of an asthma attack (I can’t remember his name).

      Also mysterious is the death of the 42-year-old lady by the last name of Wever. She is connected in some way.

      How were they they involved? There have to be more butts being covered, other than just our worthless main suspect Joran.

      Jerry

    16. crossbow on April 4th, 2011 8:38 pm

      Waterboy I would like your opinion:
      In my opinion all the speculation by the ALE, Dompig and others are all red herrings.
      They went to the beach.
      They went to Joran’s apartment.
      The went back to the Sun Spree.
      They were at the MacDonald’s.
      They took her to the Lion’s Den.
      They took her to Matey’s Apartment house.
      They took her to the Whitehouse Apartment.
      They found the bloody mattress at Grapefield.
      They found the VCB tee shirt, glasses and foam at Lago.
      Etc. Etc. Etc

      The reason why I say that.
      The early statements:
      “we took her to the lighthouse.”
      “something bad happened”
      “We all had sex with her; you would be surprised how easy it was”
      There then was a quick denial to all of this.
      The teenagers no longer have sex and drug parties at the lighthouse.
      Who said so???????
      The guard at the light house says he did not see them there.
      (There is no guard-the lighthouse is padlocked)
      What time does the restuarant at the California Lighthouse close on Sunday? (10-11pm)
      Surely not 1:00am on a Sunday or rather a Monday morning.
      The area at the dunes is deserted after Midnight.
      This was the only area that a denial was first presented.
      Supposedly they found Paulus’ cell phone near the light house. (California)
      Other opinions ?

    17. Waterboy on April 5th, 2011 11:02 pm

      Crossbow,

      I hope you are well. You have worked so hard on this case from the start.

      What you say makes a lot of sense.. All the main names are connected to Natalee in some way.

      Doesn’t it disturb you really down deep in your soul that they got away with it all, and so many people were hurt in the process?

      I don’t think anyone really gives a rat’s a$$ about Joran, other than his mother and father (small letters) (and those of us that hate him); and I don’t think they would have the power it took to dispose of so many loose ends, and apparently murder so many people. There has to be someone involved with some real power to “get R done”.

      Jerry

    18. ghost on April 6th, 2011 6:07 pm

      Oh Waterboy, they didnt get away with it. Things will work out….

    19. Waterboy on April 7th, 2011 12:34 pm

      ghost,

      “Vengeance is mine says the Lord, and I will repay.”

      Many times in my life this has worked out.

      Jerry

    20. ghost on April 11th, 2011 11:33 am

      Waterboy, Amen and Amen…

    21. Waterboy on April 13th, 2011 10:47 pm

      Crossbow,

      Refresh my memory. Some things I am fuzzy on. Remind me who the Mansurs are (as in the newspaper Mansurs?), and Santos.

      Also, what other 20 girls? Where were they held, and what was their destination? Where were they from? Were they sold never to be seen again, or were they sold for one night?

      Also, what was the Wever boy’s connection? I’ll agree, he left Aruba quickly and lawyered up. Did he participate or just witness?

      Do you know where I can get the 750 pages of information? I can’t make the connection anymore, and I didn’t copy it.

      Jerry

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    23. john wildes on April 18th, 2011 5:21 pm

      have anybody seen this week’s national enquirer and what they saying natalee is now.
      __________________________________
      SM: Yep, posted in the forum. The thought of Natalee being buried with someone else in a crypt has been discussed since the beginning. IMO it would be one of the quickest and safest ways to dispose of a body. (klaasend)
      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9456.msg1328361#msg1328361

    24. Waterboy on April 19th, 2011 10:10 pm

      I’ve always felt Natalee was placed in the landfill. My second best guess is the Wever kid placed her with another body or she was cremated, as Crossbow believes. Next burial at sea is always a possibility.

      If Natalee was placed with another body, it is most likely a body that was shipped out of the country, like the 100-year of man that died during that time.

      She may have also been placed with a body that was to be cremated and was.

      If Joran said that Natalee was placed in an above ground tomb, then she was not, but this may account for bounty hunters breaking open tombs and taking bodies at the start of the investigation.

      Jerry

    25. Herman on April 22nd, 2011 3:06 am

      L.S.,

      It’s almost 6 years Nat is missing.
      You’d almost give up hope.
      In the early days everybody wrote to each other about it.
      And now there’s only a focus left on Peru.

      I live in Holland. Was born in a fishertown named Enkhuizen. Enk means arable land. Huizen is houses. So: houses built on land out of the sea with a big wall around to protect against stormy wethers and big waves.

      Last time i’ve read again the many stories of the year 2005.
      We’ve heard so many lies coming out that I’m beginning to believe that between that all there could be another solution.
      But what could that be?
      Remember: nobody has solved the truth.
      You can hardly breath through all the lies.

      Almost everyone has the feeling that Paul and Joran know/knew a lot about all this.
      Also overhere in my land…

      Anyway, I was reading in 2005.
      I read that Natalee and Joran met each other already in that last few days around the hotels and spoke to each other.
      Then I read that Nat in that week made some copies from her passport…
      That she told that she had plans go live her own life.
      But thàt was not the idea of home: they thought that she could heve a brilliant future!
      But Nat had other plans: she “run away” earlyer a few time and could manage it. So it seems.

      That last night Nat knew her family was coming -not good but you cand understand that they were angry.
      So now comes the big joke.
      I’ve thought about it a lot, hoping there’s still a light in all this darkness. Even it’s hard to believe what I am gonna say now.
      Let’s try and please give me a break fellows. Ok?

      There was short time those last hours.
      Seems that she was for a last time in her room (camera), coming in via a route without the camera’s of the hotel.
      Nat left everything as it was for winning time. leaving a wrong track.
      Without a passport she must be in the neighbourhood, isn’t it?
      And IF she wàs pregnant and hàd serious plans… there could be a following conclusion.
      Oh boy! Don’t kill for what I’m gonna write now, will you?

      Well there it is:
      Everybody knows everybody overthere. Right? Secrets are kept between each other. Wright?
      So the roll of Joran could be in the first place that he took her by car to the South-West for hiding her for her family. This for a few days.
      There she made new passport pictures with coloured hair.
      And it sounds impossible, but there could be a women that lent herself for the idea that she had found back her missing daughter (who never excisted) and helped so to give Nat a new name on her passport!…
      Paul -as higher power, his high connections as hogher powers (remember Jorans words) could heve helped to make all the papers she needed!
      Thus:
      it’s a whole other direction of thinking!!!
      I think this could only be because of Nat must have told and how and why etc. -Personal things you see.

      She could have left the island by a fast bote (3 quartes to Venezuela) or by a little plane to unknown… South-America?
      Or she left by the boat to Europe on which all those musicians were.

      Believe me: people say that she has seen here in Holland! Like in Rotterdam.
      And who was here in this land? Yes Joran…

      I did not want to dissturb you all.
      Have a nice Eastern and bye bye.

    26. Waterboy on April 22nd, 2011 7:14 am

      Herman,

      Dream on.

    27. Herman on April 23rd, 2011 2:43 am

      Waterboy,

      It’s my character, you see.
      But I did wake up when I saw a home movie of Joran sexing with a girl.
      You can find it under joranjoran.com
      Then click thuis film(pje) It’s in Dutch.
      I am sure you will find.
      Enjou it!??

      I did my best and again a nice Easter.
      Bye

    28. crossbow on April 23rd, 2011 5:58 am

      I recently became aware that most of the prominent businessmen, lawyers and judges on Aruba belong to the Masons. So am I saying that the Masons were involved with what happened to Natalee. NO.
      What I am saying is this: Those that were involved with the cover up were member Masons.
      It is like saying members of the Knights of Columbus were involved: I did not say The organizations itself.
      “You do not own the “Block” nor the “Hammer”.
      I interpret this as: Only the Grand Master can authorize a grave opening in a Masonic Cemetery.
      The Grand Master on Aruba in 2005 was Karle Wever.
      Is he Yolanda’s husband; does he own Zepp Wever Funeral Home? Does he have any involvement with a funeral home. I have not been able to identify his occupation.
      So If and it is a big if: Joran has told the truth to that inmate:
      I believe that Natalee was buried in the same coffin with someone who recently died that was associated with or was a member Mason. There are at least two Masonic Cemeteries; one is in Orangestad and I believe the other is in Santa Cruz.
      So assuming that Natalee was not embalmed; burial would have happened within 48 hours of her death. And given the fact she was probably not embalmed then perhaps a cadaver dog may be able to find her given permission for a search. We need the obituary records for a deceased person who was a Mason and was scheduled to be buried as early as June 1st, 2005.
      Of course this does not rule out that that body and coffin were scheduled for cremation.

      BTW: waterboy DITTO
      I don’t even want to know what Herman is smoking.

    29. crossbow on April 23rd, 2011 7:19 am

      BTW:
      I also believe that Rene was involved. Was his death a coincidence?
      Paulus and Rene both worked for the Oduber Hospital so it is likely they knew each other.
      Were they both Masons? it’s a possibility.
      Was Rene Bifrons? Mover of dead bodies. Could be.
      Did Rene do any work for the funeral homes? Can’t find out. The family won’t talk.
      Did Rene know Karle Wever? Don’t know. Did Karle Wever know Paulus? Probably.
      Rene ran the industrial incinerator and the one at the hospital. Did he have the credentials to run a crematorium. The SOP’s are almost identical.
      So what happened?
      I’m sure Jan knows. So does Dompig and Judge Smud. And let us not forget Francisco. The teenager who claims to have helped bury Natalee in a shallow grave and then was committed to a mental hospital; even though his friends say he has no mental conditions.
      So here you have the brutal murder of a famale tourist committed by a local who happens to be Dutch; you have a father who helped cover for his son; who secured the help of fellow members of the same organization to get rid of a corpse; assisted by fellow businessmen.
      Is this the seedy side of Aruba that if known; an official could lose his job (The Governor) who is appointed by the Queen.
      If Natalee’s is to be recovered, it would have to been seen as purely accidental that the remains were located.
      Could this be “What you seek is not hidden; it is in plain view“: like a crypt in a cemetery?

    30. Waterboy on April 25th, 2011 10:24 pm

      I can’t post. I’ve tried 3 times

    31. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 7:25 am

      Crossbow,

      It could have been a Jim Sylvester, Santa Anta, Sam Houston, Battle of San Jacinto thing; but I’m thinking the Masons probable wouldn’t have allowed Paulus to become a member for various reasons.

      Jerry

    32. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 7:30 am

      I’m just wondering if Paulus did any Probate work. If he did, he might know of a mausoleum that no one but himself had the key to.

      Look at this http://www.flickr.com/photos/24736216@N07/3893817083/

      Surely this was checked out. Someone stated that Paulus knew how to hide a body. Had he done it before?

      Jerry

    33. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 7:32 am

      Crossbow,

      If only Paulus and Joran, or perhaps only Paulus hid Natalee, a mausoleum would sure be easy, but also very findable.

      Your probable right, Natalee was cremated.

      Jerry

    34. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 7:36 am

      If anyone had known, they could have shadowed Joran or Paulus from the very start. I’d personally have followed Paulus. If Beth had only known. She did the best that she could, with road blocks set up for her at every turn.

    35. crossbow on April 26th, 2011 6:58 pm

      Waterboy 31
      “but I’m thinking the Masons probable wouldn’t have allowed Paulus to become a member for various reasons.”
      That is a very empty broad statement. What if the other members’ reputation is as bad as Paulus’.
      Most of the members there are Dutch and/or very prominent business persons, lawyers and judges.

      Waterboy; what you say about probate (wills) or an ethnic link makes sense.
      This could be a possibility if the rumors about Paulus being Jewish decent are accurate.

      http://jewishphotolibrary.smugmug.com/gallery/5293314_3hPTZ#322760602_U5o7L

      That would mean either Paulus selected the crypt or directed Rene where to put Natalee’s body.

    36. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 9:48 pm

      Crossbow,
      Crossbow,

      I haven’t really thought about it, but you’re right, if the highest ethical standard in Aruba is do what ever you want, as long as you don’t get caught; it’s okay, i.e. “no body, no crime”, then Paulus would make the membership proud.

      We American’s think so differently. The majority of us do still have honor, and it’s hard to understand those who don’t.

      Jerry

    37. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 10:04 pm

      Crossbow,

      I’m curious, when you visited Aruba, did you go to any graveyards, like for example, the one at St. Anna’s?

      Were there any Mausoleums like the one Abraham Lincoln was placed in?
      http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/lincoln_tomb.htm

      The original one, not the modern one.

      Wasn’t that one of your initial thoughts that Natalee was placed in a tomb at St. Anna, and then moved? Maybe she is still there.

      I wonder if anyone was allowed to search the Mausoleums? I’d bet not.

      Jerry

    38. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 10:08 pm

      Crossbow,

      I’m curious, when you visited Aruba, did you go to any graveyards, like for example, the one at St. Anna’s?

      Were there any Mausoleums like the one Abraham Lincoln was placed in?
      http://www.state.il.us/hpa/hs/lincoln_tomb.htm

      The original one, not the modern one.

      Jerry

    39. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 10:09 pm

      My post are not going again. What am I doing wrong?
      ____________________________
      SM: All posts have to be processed by a human being. If nobody is around to process posts they don’t go through. Earlier today when you thought you have problems there were about 20 comments waiting to be processed so it wasn’t you. (klaasend)

    40. Waterboy on April 26th, 2011 10:09 pm

      Crossbow,

      I’m curious, when you visited Aruba, did you go to any graveyards, like for example, the one at St. Anna’s?

    41. crossbow on April 27th, 2011 8:23 am

      We visited:
      The Lourdes Grotto
      The International Racetrack
      The Red Light District in San Nicolas.
      A few cemeteries in San Nicolas.
      We drove through the Arikok National Park.
      We stopped in Santa Cruz and its cemeteries
      Also the one in Paradera and Orangestad; and of course the one in Noord across from the police station; Saint Ana.
      We ate in the Arawak Gardens near the Brickell Hotel.
      We stopped at the Sun Spree.
      We went to the California Lighthouse.
      And of course Alta Vista Chapel and its Peace Maze.
      The crypts are similar to the ones in New Orleans; but for a different reason.
      New Orleans because of the high water table; Aruba because the ground is too hard.

    42. Herman on April 27th, 2011 11:50 am

      L.S.,

      After all those years, I see that there are a few that don’t wanna give up.
      I;m proud on that!
      You know, also people here (well known) believe that it must be Paul who knew more.
      Beside that: he knew the way of going on that Island.
      Between us: there’s always a high sociëty who gives the rules…
      Take this for a while: talented people with gives… why or where are theyr real anwers?
      Look, they earn a lot of money whenever they want.
      But not in Natalees case.
      I’m so sorry.
      Reading the old messages in the year 2005, you hear everywhere the hope ànd later the anger ànd the many questions.
      Still…
      There are some hopefull directions over in this mess.
      Overhere they don’t discus Natalee anymore everyday.
      But I’m glad that yoú don’t forget Natalee Holloway!
      Wherever you still bellieve in after all those years.
      Don’t!!!
      And I always let you (her) know that I think of her on YouTube and now between you.
      Anyway,
      She has friend for èver isn’t it?
      Bye

    43. Herman on April 27th, 2011 12:06 pm

      Nd ther’s another thing.
      There is a lot of criticasme that paople have about that movie of PR de Vries.
      Many believe that the leadings figures were only out on the money.
      Knowing the hunger to the truth.
      Inside paople believe that they -one another- made deals after each other bag.
      Moneys making can be a shame…

      Well let’s see it this way:
      if you do’nt have nothing, you don’t lose a thing!??
      Is it???

      Herman

    44. Herman on April 27th, 2011 12:53 pm

      This is a personal thing.
      I have a good well known friend who is a paragnost.
      Knowing myself and telling him him that I can not believe (inside feeling) that Natalee is dead!
      Why than I still doing things on the web for her?
      I would have feeled it inside myself…
      And then he said (far away) on the phone:
      I may not tell on the phone else that she has a horrible ending and is dead…
      So I asked him: am I right or not?
      He said: you are right!

      Note: what world are we living in?
      If you have the anwer…
      My grandpa said: world is hell.

    45. Waterboy on April 27th, 2011 5:44 pm

      Crossbow,

      Very cool.

    46. crossbow on April 28th, 2011 7:39 pm

      Waterboy:
      I’ll paste this all together.
      The Lourdes Grotto
      The International Racetrack
      The Red Light District in San Nicolas.
      A few cemeteries in San Nicolas.
      We drove through the Arikok National Park.
      We stopped in Santa Cruz and its cemeteries
      Also the one in Paradera and Orangestad; and of course the one in Noord across from the police station; Saint Ana.
      We ate in the Arawak Gardens near the Brickell Hotel.
      We stopped at the Sun Spree.
      We went to the California Lighthouse.
      And of course Alta Vista Chapel and its Peace Maze.
      The crypts are similar to the ones in New Orleans; but for a different reason.
      New Orleans because of the high water table; Aruba because the ground is too hard.

      I forgot:
      we also got to the Monserat Pond.
      The Lion’s Den, Matey’s Apartments and
      The Indo Restuarant.
      Weststrad where Carlos and Charlie’s was and is now Senior Frogs.
      The Diamond Exchange.
      The lot where Choose A Name was before it burnt.
      The spot where Joran says he dropped off Natalee.
      The Balbuli Pond and Balishi Beer Brewery.
      The Mill Resort.
      But best of all I took pictures right outside Joran’s house and neighborhood.
      Anita and Paulus were on vacation and no one was home. BTW the monkey is no longer at 17 Montana, next door to the Sloot’s.

    47. Waterboy on April 29th, 2011 12:02 am

      Crossbow,

      I forgot about the phone call that Natalee made.

      Thanks for reminding.

      I’m in the middle of nowhere tonight and using my I-phone when I can.

      My wife has gone to bed, and my rat terrier Rip Shaw is keeping guard .

      Jerry

      Jerry

    48. Mary UK on April 30th, 2011 2:34 pm

      As i understand it the FBI are in posession of the laptop, surely vital information could be recovered from it and IF any witnesses on the periffery of the crime reside in the US “maybe” they could be leaned on with an assurance that as long as they were NOT part of any actual murder then they could have immunity???

      The “Enquirer” story is interesting and i would think quite easily followed up.

    49. Vanessa on May 30th, 2011 12:56 pm

      Crossbow,
      You ran your own investigation in Aruba on this?? I would be interested in reading it if you dont mind.

      Best

    50. Vanessa on May 30th, 2011 12:58 pm

      How do you know he was selling her, drugged with 20 others? Where are the others now? I have never heard this version of the story yet…

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