Joran Van der Sloot Admits to Involvement in Death of Natalee Holloway, Is it Really all a Lie? Now Joran Says Natalee Fell High on Coke


There usually is a lot of truth in every lie.  How Natalee Holloway died a lie, Joran Van der Sloot’s involvement, not so much a lie.


Why would anyone continue to admit involvement in the death of another? How many suspects in a case continue to confess to the death of a victim when they have claimed that they were innocent and just wanted their life back?

The answer is none, unless you are a sociopath and in the end are guilty and want to either be cause or put forth so many road block that it makes it too confusing.  Or is it that Joran Van der Sloot knows in advance that Aruba prosecutors will never charge him with anything so he just states what ever is on his mind that day and confesses?

Once again Joran Van der Sloot has come out of the woodwork like a cockroach and confessed again in the death of Natalee Holloway.  He continues to relish in the joy of  causing pain and harm to the family of missing and presumed deceased Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot continues his sick and narcissistic game and continuing the roller coaster ride of emotions of a family whose daughter, sister, cousin and granddaughter has been missing since 2005.

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On “The Early Show” Tuesday, legal analyst Jack Ford explained that more would be needed to prosecute than just a confession that might be a lie. FALSE!

On “The Early Show” Tuesday, legal analyst Jack Ford explained that, “Most people would think, if somebody comes in and says, ‘Yes, I did this, and here’s where we got rid of the body,’ they would think, ‘Isn’t that enough to prosecute somebody?’

“(In) most places,” Ford told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez, “you need more than somebody just saying, ‘I did something wrong. Here’s what I did.’ The law says you have to be able to prove that there was a crime to start with before you can use somebody’s words as a basis for a prosecution. So you need to have more evidence out there.”

Ford added, “If you’re the prosecutor here, the first time he’s talking about, ‘We disposed of the body in the ocean.’ Now, he’s saying, ‘We disposed of the body in a swamp.’ So, the prosecutors, I’m sure, are looking at this, and they’re saying, ‘There’s just not enough detail here, and the detail he is giving us is different from what he said the first time.’ So, again, if they had something else, if they had proof of a murder, something that could tie him into it, then this might be more significant. But apparently they just don’t.”

Sorry, but the legal analyst is implementing US legal rules to an Aruban/Dutch matter.  Of course more than a confession is needed, but there already is more or has this legal analyst not followed this case from 2005? This is not a situation like John Mark Karr where he confessed to a crime without really being a suspect for the attention. This is a scenario where Joran Van der Sloot cannot seem to stay out of the media limelight and feels the need to explain himself while cashing in and causing further pain to the family of Natalee Holloway.

There is a boatload of evidence, statements and records out there that can determine whether Joran is guilty or not. What is interesting is when he comes up with this accounts that are half fabricated and have the truth, what part of them detail info that may not be known to anyone but a person who would be directly involved in the crime?

So now according to Joran Van der Sloot … Natalee Holloway snorted Coke and fell to Death, so says suspect.

“Then I walked over to her to dance with her a little…. And eh, I grabbed her by the hips. When I let go, she fell from the balcony…”

“We looked down and saw her lying there. Yes, there was blood. I think she fell on the ground with her head first.” Van der Sloot continued to say that they both ran the steps to Natalee. “Her chin was to one side and I turned it the other way. There was blood on the ground too. There was no life.”

The real question that deals more to the point of Joran Van der Sloot is why does he keep coming up with different ways as to how Natalee died? There is one constant in every confession … Joran Van der Sloot’s involvement.

So why did Joran Van der Sloot talk to the media once again regarding the death of Natalee Holloway? It could not have been the money he was paid to do so. Oh no, a new version was concocted by Joran to clear his name of him being considered a killer. Sorry Joran, too late for that. It takes a really big man Joran to blame a dead person 5 years later for their own death after you have come up with previous confessions on hidden cameras.

The young Dutchman continues to maintain that he was present when Natalee died and that he got rid of her body. He says he gave the interview because “he wants to come clean once and for all … Almost half of the Netherlands thinks I’m a killer.” We’ll just have to wait and see whether this latest media gambit helps change that view.

Only half? Why would they possibly think that? Maybe because they might be correct. That’s ok … all of America does.  Face it Joran Van der Sloot, any thinking person knows you are guilty. If it was an accidental death, there would never have been any reason to lie. Now some five years later, you are still lying as to what happened to Natalee.

Joran … tell the truth and it will set you free. Don’t and you will spend an eternal damnation in hell with your father who helped cover up your crime.

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    154 Responses to “Joran Van der Sloot Admits to Involvement in Death of Natalee Holloway, Is it Really all a Lie? Now Joran Says Natalee Fell High on Coke”

    1. Susan on February 27th, 2010 7:03 pm

      It’s truly sad when the new Aruban chief prosecutor (Peter Blankenidiot!) INSTANTLY DISREGARDS Urine van der Slut’s latest confession!! As soon as Blankenidiot learned about the lastest confession, he should have AUTOMATICALLY dropped everything he was doing and IMMEDIATELY ordered a search of the marsh!! That is a no-brainer!!

      I’m so sick and tired of ALE playing with innocent peoples lifes (referring to the Holloway/Twitty families), jerking Natalee’s family around!! ALE has shown no respect, compassion, or common decency for Natalee’s life or well being whatsoever, much less her family!!

      Oh what a tangle web Urine, the Kalpoes and Paulass have woven!! I agree that Urine’s confessions are filled with LIES, but there’s got to be some truth in there somewhere!!

      I seriously DOUBT Natalee was snorting cocaine! THAT IS A LIE!! At any given moment, it was the date rape drug that Urine slipped in her drink that caused her to lose her balance.



    2. brie. on February 27th, 2010 8:41 pm

      They always say the truth will set you free…there is no ungodly way the truth will ever set him free…and if for one minute you think this thought pattern will help him, I think not…Anita might want to return to the Netherlands and wants his admission of guilt…assuming he will never be punished…!!!

    3. nurturer on February 27th, 2010 9:26 pm

      Ignore this turd so he implodes or O.D.s. The sooner, the better.

    4. gary on February 27th, 2010 9:39 pm

      Question, what time was this suspose to happen,
      the timeline is very short, all three were
      home around 2:00am, plus a witness seen them at
      2:30am am at the pond, and she was taken to
      Alhambro shopping center address #56 at 3:00am till 11:00am mon. night, More B.S.

    5. Carpe on February 27th, 2010 9:59 pm

      I went to play some tennis
      but wound up eating grass
      For pennies on the dollar
      You can kill his lying ass

      Joran can not solve this case.

      All power has been taken away from him.

      That has to F. with a brutha`s brain
      when he`s a the 40/40 getting tipsy!

    6. A Texas Grandfather on February 27th, 2010 10:40 pm

      It is too bad that Natalee’s father and uncle are not able to get a shot at questioning this piece of human crap. He needs to be placed where he can’t get help from the curropt Aruba justice system or his now deceased father and questioned over and over until a reasonable answer is found.
      This latest thing about falling off a balcony after snorting coke is so far out it is laughable.
      My question is where was this balcony? Was it at the motel where Joran and his father took advantage of Natalee? Yes, I believe Paulus was very involved in this crime.
      I really think that she was drugged with GHB or rohypnol and taken to a spot by Joran and raped. I also think she came too enough to try and get away and either Joran or Paulus, but most likely Joran beat her to death.
      It is too late to get Paulus, but someone needs to capture Joran and do what ever it takes to find the real answer. I would love to chain him to a wall and take my skinning knife to his worthles hide.

    7. Greg the Mongoose on February 27th, 2010 11:28 pm

      KARMA is working its magic! Joran has destroyed his life. The murdering pimp from Aruba has been unmasked.

    8. Gwen on February 27th, 2010 11:40 pm

      i dont believe he killed her but do believe he did something to her body

    9. Dawg1948 on February 28th, 2010 1:04 am


      Joran killed her there is not other reason he would hide her body than to avoid prosecution for his evil deed. Its not rocket science its common sense.

    10. Michael on February 28th, 2010 4:21 am

      The only reason why Joran gave this interview is money. Every something month, when he runs out of money, he gives an interview and gets paid for it. After that he can support himself for some more months. The media keep helping him by doing this.

      However he tells a different story every time I find the last story the most convincing because that sounds like something that could really happened. He finally gives a reason why she died. That is something he didn’t do so far. Of course he let out the part that Paulus came to help, what he did with the body we will never know and I don’t believe she fell but she overdosed on his provided coke.

      Knowing the Caribbean Islands and what happens over there I personally think that it was a coke and alcohol story all from the beginning. I know that a lot of people here not buying that but apparently they don’t know how the youth is partying now a day. Especially on those islands where coke is real easy to get and a normal drug to take when you go out. And yes despise of what you all want to believe, also the normal average American youth are doing drugs when they are over there. I’ve seen it with my own eyes when I was in the Dominican Republic and lots of American school youth where parting there whit everything they got their hands on. Of course there is a possibility that he drugged her with GHB but there are no clues that these sort of things happened before whit Joran and apparently he didn’t need to do that since he had no problem getting girls to come with him before. And being on those party islands most girls are easy and willing enough so there’s always another one. So I’m not buying that story since it makes no sence.

      I think that the majority of the Dutch people are convinced that Joran is involved with the disappearance of Natalee but a view really think that he actually killed her. There are no clues in that direction and non of his own confessions declares that he did. The only thing that he confessed is that he disposed a dead body and that’s not such a big crime. Immoral yes, a big crime no. The Dutch people are very sick and tired of seeing his narcissistic face all over the news every several months and everybody likes to see him in jail. But be honest, for disposing a body he can get max 6 months. And that time he has already done. So except if he really did kill here and they find the prove for it he never shall go to jail for it again.

    11. Brenda in Virginia on February 28th, 2010 8:27 am

      Love your idea TX grandpa….can I watch while you carve a confession from Urin?

    12. kitty on February 28th, 2010 9:14 am

      Question to #10

      If “the Dutch people are very sick and tired of seeing his narcissistic face all over the news every several months and everybody likes to see him in jail. But be honest, for disposing a body he can get max 6 months. And that time he has already done…..” (and from the sounds of your post, you may be amongst those feeling that way)…

      When will the Dutch people from Aruba/Netherlands, come together and be proactive
      and DO something about it?

      Suggestions… Begin electing those in your Government & Judicial system(s) to rid the corruption there… Change the laws, so for example… if someone can only get 6 months for disposing a body ~ change the laws to put them in for life a sentence….do not allow monsters like him to be paid for their interviews…let them talk, but for NO pay.

      (apparently, he still has a lot to say, he apparently likes hearing himself talk)

      Not that our American Judicial system is any better on some matters… however, you bet that if this had happened here… people would rally, be proactive and change the laws with their legislators so this would NOT happen to another family…

      Loopholes exist and the smarta$$ lawyers find them all the time… not to mention if your Papa was a Judge to boot… I say, be smarter and fix the loopholes.

      Joran’s getting his kicks from jerking all of you around and it appears that the Island isn’t sick of him enough yet to do something about it.

    13. Jen on February 28th, 2010 9:30 am

      I have one question to Beth: what did you do with the $40 million you have received from donations? Not one single dime of that has gone to any kind of search for Natalee. As some people may or may not know, not only were there literally THOUSANDS of Civilian Arubans and a few HUNDREDS more of police, firefighters and military all helping in the search for Natalee, but also the Arubans were so generous to cover ALL expenses that Beth had during her time in Aruba, which included, Hotel, Dinner, breakfast, transportation and shopping expenses… all paid with ARUBAN MONEY!!!.. I am really interested where did these $40 million in donations + money from bracelets sales + rights to Lifetime movie + her book LOVING NATALEE… which together would amount a total of over $100 million dollars!!! I know some of this money as gone into your recent plastic surgery, Beth, but where has all the rest of this money gone??
      SM: Once again Jen do not ever tell me that I censor your hateful comments. I allow then to go through to show just what kind of hateful people really do exist out there.

      You provide a great example to people of what never to be. You have no idea what has ever been done to help search for Natalee or the amount of $’s that has been received.

      Case and point you make the accusations against this site and you know nothing. Actually less than nothing. Does it ever dawn on you that maybe its none of your business? I am more concerned about helping families find loved ones and writing on politics and my opinions and beliefs than I am as to what is in you bank account.

      You really are a hateful, evil troll aren’t you? I can only pray for you that one day you will see the error of your ways and hope you never lose a child.

      God Bless,

    14. Jen on February 28th, 2010 9:36 am

      Oh and don’t forget her FOR A FEE SPEECHES AROUND THE COUNTRY !!!! You would think that a mother who has lost her daughter would care enough to give speeches concerning safe travelling for FREE right? But no, Beth is earning some good money doing these speeches.
      SM: I guess you really hate John Walsh. Also add to the list Mark Klass and Mark Lunsford.

      You really just have no idea what you are talking about.

      Jealousy and envy really is an ugly straight.

    15. vhj on February 28th, 2010 9:51 am

      only forty million?she should get another forty milion for having to deal with the likes of you

    16. vhj on February 28th, 2010 9:55 am

      by the way,having mock searches were simply a way to access the aruban treasury.realy loved the the fighter jet boondoggle,the idea trying to find someone 2 years later while traveling at the speed of light.that was hilarious though

    17. Cherry Simpson on February 28th, 2010 10:12 am

      Why no investigation into trafficking of Natalee Holloway?

      The Federal definition of human trafficking includes both U.S. citizens and foreign nationals – both are equally protected under the Federal trafficking law and have been since the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.

      On November 24, 2008, On the Record aired an interview with Van der Sloot. The show also aired part of an audio recording provided by Van der Sloot, which he alleged is a phone conversation between him and his father, in which the father displays knowledge of his son’s purported involvement in human trafficking.

      Joran admits to selling her. Thai gov’t has a report with evidence of Van der Sloot’s involvement in the trafficking of Thai women to the Netherlands.

    18. brie. on February 28th, 2010 10:59 am

      Is that you Anita, being your uncaring, vicious, my son the sporter self, if so, get out of here…!!!! Your son killed Natalee and there is no way he will ever be free of the crime he committed…!!!

    19. brie. on February 28th, 2010 11:30 am

      Is that you Anita, being your uncaring, vicious, my son the sporter self, if so, get out of here…!!!! Your son killed Natalee and there is no way he will ever be free of the crime he committed…!!! We know about the conversations with Deepak and Sadish concerning what you do to American girls….!!!!

    20. dawg1948 on February 28th, 2010 11:38 am

      Jen and Michael you truly are trolls. Michael may be sincere and the possibilites he suggest do exist, however, it seems he is willing to condemn Natalee and her friends with not evidence yet let Urin off when all the available evidence suggest guilt. I ask you does that make sense?

      As for Jen she is so full of crap it isn’t even worth a response. I cannot even begin to imagine the amounts of money it cost Beth and Dave to search for Natalee and that expense in itself is a tip of the iceberg. People like Jen need to stick their heads back where in their nether regions where the sun doesn’t shine and leave them there.

    21. brie. on February 28th, 2010 11:49 am

      Deepak and Sadish, I am sure the island people hate you both because of what you did to Natalee…you should of be sent back to Surinam…!!! Along with your relative Dompig!!!

    22. allank on February 28th, 2010 12:43 pm

      To Brie

      I believe the island people hate they got caught.
      The police, islanders knew about Carlos & Charlies before Natalee, but had no intentions of protecting tourists. They knew rapes would not make the news, as Joran says, they did it before. Probably, others on the island had participated too!
      The police in their evil short sighted ways never even thought murder would ring bells. They hadn’t met Beth Twitty.

      Just on another note I remember the guy, liked burned up, chopped up, no big thing, just drug deal gone bad.
      O yeah, forgot the rape that happened in school where the kids took phone pics and mailed them out. No justice for the girl.
      I remember there was a lot immoral criminal acts coming from that island, with no prosecution of anybody.
      Aruba, their government, the police are corrupt on all levels just stay away.

      Oh just remember something about one g-man had bought him a live in girl, sex slave, lets see what was that?

      Alas, Mr. Pink.

    23. brie. on February 28th, 2010 3:28 pm

      I think Anita might want to return to the Netherlands and wants Joran’s name cleared, which will never happen…lie, after lie, after lie and it still continues….Dompig originally said the three boys were guilty as hell…then his story changed and he concoted numerous false stories and statements concerning Natalee’s disappearance, that was probably after he received his payoff….

      Joran’s latest story, she snorted cocaine and fell off the balcony, what balcony and where???? Why doesn’t Anita do something about him….like put him behind bars for good!!!! Makes you wonder what her two youngest boys are growing up like…

    24. brie. on February 28th, 2010 3:34 pm

      #22…Allank, it’s been said that Rudy Croes had two sex slaves….I don’t doubt it…but they probably were not held against their will, so much prostitution in Aruba….

    25. Greg the Mongoose on February 28th, 2010 4:15 pm

      The attack on Beth is all about the boycott on Aruba! Aruba is now a ghost Island. Too many have suffered because of Joran Van der Sloot actions.

    26. Dolf on February 28th, 2010 4:23 pm

      yeah, thats what you do when “accidents” occur

      you hide it in the swamp

    27. Michael on February 28th, 2010 5:01 pm

      #20 dawg1948 I don’t condemn anybody, I personally don’t have a problem when people party with some drugs and alcohol. In my opinion that’s no crime so I don’t see it as a condemnation at all. I just sincerely think that something like that happened and something went terribly wrong. Clearly Joran has some type of guilt otherwise he didn’t handle the way he did but I just don’t think that he drugged, raped and killed her. But that’s just my opinion.

      BTW I just watched the latest interview tonight on RTL and it was really interesting. He is more convincing and the story is more plausible in this interview then ever before about what happened although he was still clearly lying about some critical points.

    28. Crioyo on February 28th, 2010 5:06 pm

      just saw the rtl 5 show with the confession etc… dompig is in there too, interviewed AFTER paulus’ death..and he says Bubali Plas was never checked out, because of ‘its nature’ and environmental concerns… i must admit i was pretty surprised at that fact..i mean, after all that machinery and equipment was transported to the island etc…? they checked every landfill, beach, dune and cave except for the more obvious bubali plas that always smells bad. an israeli expert interviewed said however that the voice analysis says though the fall from the balcony is probably accurate, the disposal of the body remains uncertain…

    29. brie. on February 28th, 2010 5:22 pm

      Tim Miller said they did search the pond and found nothing but there was a foul odor…so what’s Joran’s latest, he says Natalee fell from the balcony, if that was the case why didn’t they call for an ambulance instead of dumping her body in the swampy pond…each time we hear another story we have our doubts because of all the lies but always hoping we will find Natalee…maybe, just maybe, this time we will. I believe there is or was a motel behind the restaurant next to the pond…they probably drugged her and Joran and the Kalpoes took her to the motel…Remember, a long time ago, Sadish said something bad happened and Deepak had mentioned that Natalee fell and hit her head…that part might be true but she didn’t fall at the Holiday Inn like they all originally said…

    30. Curtney on February 28th, 2010 5:30 pm

      We all hate Joran, but I have to agree with Jen on this one. The missing girl’s mother seems very suspicious and unclear about many things. Firstly how did she manage to get a private jet, gather all her posse and fly to Aruba within a few hours of Natalee’s disappearance? Why did she lie about her arrival time in Aruba? And why did she object to responding to the police their inquiries about the Holloway’s family? (financial state, relationships, illnesses etc.) Anyway, I mean, it’s all strange to say the least. So I do agree, it may be horrific that she lost a daughter and there might even be a very small chance that Joran was the cause of Natalee’s death. But then again, why did Beth go on this agressive campaign on media hunting and asking for donations? I mean there might be other sick mothers who think of this idea and let their daughter’s vanish on purpose so they can earn millions, it’s sick, but there are such people in this world that would do it. Why did nobody investigate if the Twitty’s are involved in the disappearance of Natalee? And Dawg1948, I have double checked on the Twitty/Holloways expenses in Aruba, and they did not pay for ANY search, not even ONE dime! The only thing that was ever paid for was the sniffing dog and that was paid by Dave Holloway. Beth didn’t even stick out her finger to help with any search parties unless there was someone from CNN or Foxnews there.
      SM: Courtney, you would have a point if the girl went missing in AL in the USA under their roof. If that were the case then they would have to answer such questions. Their expenses are no one’s business. Do you know how foolish you sound?

      That’s right, a family is going to send their child away to Aruba on a class trip with their friends and the have their daughter go to C&C’s where they paid Joran, Deepak and Satish to take NH and get rid of her. Are you serious?

      NH went missing on Aruba when Joran, Deepak & Satish left with her in a car from Carlos & Charlies. It does not take a brain surgeon or Dick Tracy to figure out what happened when she is never heard or seen from again.

      This is a common and typical case, made difficult be a corrupt cover up and croneyism on a small island that is a kin to a small town in America.

    31. Michael on February 28th, 2010 6:04 pm

      In the show of tonight they analyzed the interview through a voice analyzer afterwards by an investigator in the US. The conclusions of that analyze shows that Joran was telling the truth about the part that they went to the apartment and Natalee fall from the balcony. Also the emotions (he was showing for the first time) in his voice seems to be real. The story about dumping her and his shoes in the swamp seems at least not entirely true according to the voice analyzer. Most remarkable was that he past the question when he said that both of his parents didn’t know anything about it at all. The Kalpoe brothers were not involved at all that night according to Joran he asked them later to help him with the story. Also the story seems to match the timeline, but he is smart enough to think of that himself.

      I don’t know how reliable such a voice analyzer is but it was an interesting show tonight.

    32. Susan on February 28th, 2010 6:28 pm

      brie – below is a comment that “me” posted yesterday. There is a man showing the marsh or swamp where Joran has confessed to dumping Natalee’s body. I don’t believe it’s the retention pond that was originally drained when Beth and Dave were still on the poverty stricken, drug infested, lawless, godforsaken isle of Aruba.

      me on February 27th, 2010 6:44 am

      Here is some footage that aired in the Netherlands. Joran names Bubaliplas (marsch):

    33. kitty on February 28th, 2010 7:56 pm

      Such hateful spewm toward Beth Twitty and the Holloway family from a poster, named “Jen”…

      It apparently is okay for Joran to be paid for opening his mouth and speaking lies? Telling mis-truths, preying upon innocent girls… murder?

      and to speak such about a Mother,(Beth Twitty), whom lost her beloved Natalee in such a manner is not only offensive, it’s repulsive and unconscionable to me to hear such venom…

      No amount of money could ever get Natalee back and thank God, Beth Twitty has the courage,fortitude,strength and Faith in God, to not only go on with her life, changed forever, as her daughter was taken from her by this evil prick… she has the compassion in her immense suffering, to help educate the world of such vile, inhumane vermon like Joran and his entourage~ to educate girls and boys when traveling to have awareness, prevention in getting into a situation where they may be compromised… she’s proactive, courageous, and caring enough for other peoples children to share her story, to help prevent another family or person to suffer as she has and God bless her…

      40 Million… 100 Gazillion… big deal… money, so what ~ it can not bring her Natalee back…. and if Beth uses it, to educate others, bless her~ that she’s wise enough to empower children and their families…educate them and God bless the John Walsh’s too… they, through their incredible suffering, have made a difference in this sick world, this sick, sick, world ~ and if they could, I’m sure, they’d prefer to have their children back in a nannosecond. You can’t put a pricetag on a childs life, Children are priceless.

      and to bitch about how people gave her a free room and took care of her, please…..and that the military, blah, blah, blah… honey, I’d of sent in the freaking Marines to boot! Hell hath no fury, like that of a scorned Mamma and when it comes to our kids, you’ll find out, when someone harms yours ~ and I shudder what you’d do in such a circumstance…

      Why are you not pissed off with her killers? They are the ones guilty of ruining your country…

      Put your energy into something else ~ that’s the least the Island of Aruba should of done for a Mother, who’s daughter was murdered…buy her breakfast…etc… please! Go pound sand. There’s plenty of it on your disturbed island.

    34. dawg1948 on February 28th, 2010 8:32 pm

      #30 Curtney it appears you are calling Greta van Susterine and others liars then because I followed every report, every account and I have read every book on the subject. I can tell you for a fact your analysis is flawed from the moment you opened your mouth. I would like to know where you got such complete and compelling data on what was spent by the Holloways and Twittys and the information on the time lines and the posse. The revisionist theory you espouse was put out by a woman that is a proven liar from a neighboring island of Aruba. She is a PR person whose background is tilted towards protecting Aruba and its tourism even the authorites in Aruba didn’t listen to her. Nice try but I think you need to read and watch everything that transpired before making such outrageous accusations and statements. Your as big a troll as Jen, maybe you are Jen in Curtney clothing?

    35. brie. on February 28th, 2010 8:53 pm

      How horrible to speak of Beth in such a manner. That was mean and ugly…certainly by no means was it at all deserving…shame on any of you that speak about Beth with such hatred….in the future I hope your posts are eliminated, no one wants to read your s~~t a~~ comments…cleaning your mouths in an un-flushed toilet wouldn’t begin to give you what you deserve….

    36. brie. on February 28th, 2010 11:23 pm

      Joran and that ridiculous smile of his….reminds you of a freakin’ baboon…!!!

      If the pond is located by the fisherman’s hut no doubt the cage was stolen by Joran with help, weighted down and placed in the swampy pond…

      Anita probably knows every single detail of what happened and if Joran didn’t confess she may have threatened to tell all…maybe she wants to clear Paulus’s name as much as possible…!!!

    37. Gwen on March 1st, 2010 12:40 am

      heres the interview— feels a bit hard copy –ish

    38. brie. on March 1st, 2010 5:17 am

      And who is this new prosecutor, Blanken…he said Jorans story is unbelievable and they already checked out the swampy pond…Tim said they couldn’t completely search the entire area because of it’s size and being swampy and muddy….now they got new equipment…I hope Blanken let’s them search….

      As far as Natalee doing coke, maybe, maybe not, walking on the railing on the balcony, that might not be true and Joran saying he had his hands on her hips and when he let go she fell, why would you let go……if she was as high as Joran says, why wouldn’t you stop her getting up on the railing….

    39. brie. on March 1st, 2010 6:44 am

      The Bubali ponds in some areas are very deep….the water from the sewage treatment plant empties there…gee, real nice for the bird environment, Tim said there was a lot of vegetation and a foul odor…the ponds are probably really infested with mosquitoes…

      I don’t even know how many times Tim has been to Aruba to search for Natalee…I know the Holloways are more that grateful for everything Tim has done for them and he is still helping…God Bless that Man….

    40. super dave on March 1st, 2010 10:29 am

      Dave and Beth should now go for the throat and seek any money or inheritance that sloot jr. would be receiving from daddy sloot.

    41. Michael on March 1st, 2010 10:36 am

      Brie, as we all know Joran so far this story, again, would not be the whole story. But this is the first time he tells a story from the beginning to the end that sounds plausible and may really happened. You have to keep in mind that the only reason he gave this interview was for the money. That came pretty clear in the show. If he really wanted to come clean he contacted the police or Beth. Keeping the timeline in mind the swamp story seems more logical then the Ocean story because that would have taken a lot more time and the chance of discovering is much greater when they did go to the beach and drag her in a boat. But it is a good possibility that he lies about this critical subject because he just don’t want her body found (next to his shoes?) because then there will be real physical evidence.

      The fact that Natalee did or didn’t do coke only seems relevant if se overdosed on it. Although he said that the reason for the disposing was the drugs thing since they provided it to her. The most remarkable thing that came out the voice analyzer was that Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers weren’t involved. That’s hard to believe regarding Paulus’s behavior and some known facts. Maybe the Kalpoes weren’t involved but Paulus did at least know that his son was guilty otherwise he didn’t act the way he did.

    42. Mike on March 1st, 2010 12:00 pm

      IF this BS was true is there so security tape showing them entering the hotel? Was there NOBODY else there to confirm this story? A girl falls from a balcony and NOBODY sees or hears a thing?
      I do believe Jurine was stupid enough to have let her get on a balcony and then let go. He picks up a dead girl and carries her off and NOBODY sees a thing? How did he get her to the swamp with NOBODY seeing a thing? It is also twice as hard to pick up someone that is limp. They call it dead weight for a reason and I don’t think Jurine is anywhere near strong enough to do that. The only part believable is the swamp and that could be proven one way or the other but will never happen. His POS parents knew nothing? Yea, right.

    43. brie. on March 1st, 2010 2:22 pm

      I think the Kalpoes were involved and whoever owned the apartment….there also could of been other people there…Joran doesn’t want the Kalpoes talking so he just says they weren’t involved…I would think, if the cage at the fisherman’s hut was stolen it would take more than one person to put Natalee in the pond and weight her down….the Kalpoes were involved, Deepak says she hit her head and Satish said something bad happened….

      If they do find anything remaining of Natalee, they probably wouldn’t find any drug abuse and then Joran could always once again say he was lying, so all he would get is 6 months in jail and then release him early because of previous other jail time….and then the court will say they only have some circumstantial evidence which will not hold up in and Aruban court…but even so if Tim and TES can find Natalee’s remains as the Holloways will have closure and can bring her home for buriel…

    44. Tamikosmom on March 1st, 2010 3:41 pm

      A Theory in a Nutshell

      I may be barking up the wrong tree in my speculation but … here goes.

      Anita van der Sloot is OK with Joran’s most recent “confession”. It distances Paulus from suspicion and … it distances the Kalpoes from suspicion … the Kalpoes who could bring Paulus down if they revealed all. It has the ability of allowing Aruba to close the Natalee Holloway case.

      Unlike the Range Rover recording … a witness was implicated in this “confession” who will cooperate and declare that he and Joran are indeed guilty of a misdemeanor under Dutch law in regards to disposal of a body after “something bad happened” to Natalee Holloway.

      Considering the unchallenged possession of the Persistence find by Arubans only … the Persistence find deemed by the ship’s ROV operator/analyst to be case related … evidence pertaining to Natalee Holloway’s remains will be located in that swamp?


      The above is a personal theory that is subject to change. LOL.

    45. Tamikosmom on March 1st, 2010 3:43 pm

      Could the reason that a particular pond was targeted and identified in Joran’s most recent confession was to concur with Dave Holloway and his suspicions early on? Maybe Joran read … Aruba: Corruption in Paradise … prior to fabricating the most recent confession.

      IMO … the plan is well thought out IF there is a first hand witness who willingly implicates himself and … a location which a family member had targeted early on.



      Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

      Page 57/58: On that same trip, my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island’s bird sancturary. This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched. It is twenty acres of waist-high stagnant water and lily pads, whcih we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalee. We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water. Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious. Climbing up the bank onto the grass was very difficult. Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pound, they could not have gone very far. We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in. We knew we needed more help to clear this area. I remembered hearing that Joran had lost his sneakers near McDonalds, which is right next door to the sanctuary. I almost lost my own shoes walkng through the mud, so I believe that Joran’s sneakers may be inthere.

      When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car and put them on the seats to sit on. We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes. We had to wash them twice to get the smell out.

    46. brie. on March 1st, 2010 5:35 pm

      You feel so saddened for all the pain, grief and loss Beth, Dave and Jug and other family members had to endure since May 2005…maybe this time they can find Natalee….Dave searching and digging in the garbage dump with Tim and Aruba continued to dump more garbage while he was searching, wadding in the sewer water in the swamp searching for his precious daughter and Beth trying to comb every inch of the island, asking questions, putting up posters everywhere, frantic and devastated…. Natalee may have been tied down with the lily pads or they used the cage tied an secured it with lily pads….I remember Beth saying the next day when Paulus called Joran to say Beth and the police wanted to talk with him, they were told Joran and Deepak were at the casino, well, Beth and the authorities went to casino and they hadn’t been there, so just where were they….Beth said they were way to dirty to have been in the casino…So many unanswered questions..

      And Joran said she fell because of walking on the railing, the top of the railing looks to narrow for someone to walk on it…that part of the story I disbelieve…..she may have fallen hard in the apartment or on the balcony while she was having seizures because of cocaine or some other drug they administrated to her and unfortunately died, What kind of trouble could Joran and his accomplish be in if Joran confesses to giving Natalee drugs…maybe if they had attempted to help her she might still be with us…..

      Hopefully this time we will find out what really happened to Natalee….the latest confession is close to being the most believable of all….plus there is a credible witness that said he saw Joran walking, muddy to his waist, only one shoe and picked up by Paulus…

    47. brie. on March 1st, 2010 5:43 pm

      The latest Aruban prosecutor, Blanken, said the story is unbelievable because of all the other lies and the timeline…I don’t think anyone really knows what the exact timeline is….sounds like this guy just doesn’t want to be bothered and could care less if justice is served…. another one of Aruba’s crackheads….!!!!

    48. brie. on March 1st, 2010 6:10 pm

      If Natalee did snort coke she had to be so completely out of it by previous drugs given by Joran in her drink….Natalee was way to bright of a girl and I do not think she would of even been interested in snorting cocaine…but Joran, his psychopathic self would do anything to make Natalee look like it was all her fault….but not this time…!!!

    49. brie. on March 1st, 2010 7:19 pm

      What does Joran comb the front of his hair with, a pic or a comb without any teeth????

    50. Greg the mongoose on March 1st, 2010 8:21 pm

      Dear Aruban prosecutor Blanken,

      Have the Dutch police pickup Joran Van Der Sloot based on his TV confession.

      Let the Dutch police get the confession on paper and signed by Joran. Then take the signed confession to a judge that will uphold the law so JUSTICE CAN BE SERVED! If all of your judges still feel they must protect Paulas Van Der Sloot
      boy Joran? Then go to a judge in HOLLAND. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

    51. Carpe on March 1st, 2010 10:23 pm
    52. Greg the Mongoose on March 2nd, 2010 12:16 am

      Stop shooting Blanks Blanken !

    53. vhj on March 2nd, 2010 3:23 am

      I notice on the scaredmonkeys forum.many different theories,but all seem to end in,that was a hoax or this persons lieing or he said this but now is saying that.all these things that are being thrown out for public consumption are a smokescreen,think about it,jorans father dies and he says nothing publicly about it?instead adds another natalee story,just days after his death?I thought they were 2 pees in a pod

    54. Daphne on March 2nd, 2010 4:56 am

      Such a pathetic little moron. If I had the power & the money I would already send his sorry ass to the US.
      I’m just so tired of seeing his stupid face on tv all the time.

      Justice for Natalee!

    55. brie. on March 2nd, 2010 5:04 am

      What is Blanken trying to do, shoot this down. The ponds were never thoroughly searched because of the dense vegetation and TES did not have the equipment to go through the lily pads, now they do. And what is he talking about concerning the timeline, he said it doesn’t match up to previous confessions and lies. Probably getting more heat from tourism again.. Never any real details from the prosecution, just a bunch of garbage.

    56. vhj on March 2nd, 2010 8:34 am

      joe topica still drops everything and runs to jorans defence,does he have a lifetime contract with him?most lawyers need a constant flow of money in order to continue this level of attention to any case.
      SM: No it’s called free PR to get his mug on TV.

      Just curious Joe, how come you were not so quick to run on TV when it was time to debate RED in the Natalee Holloway case? Afraid that a high priced Manhattan atty could not stand up to little old me? Hmm?


    57. vhj on March 2nd, 2010 8:38 am

      come to think of it,joe topica must have communicated with mr vandersloot senior with a translator,after all paulis vandersloot didn’t know any english.therefore a translator would be needed,anyone know who this person would have bein.he must have a whopper of story to tell
      SM: Where have you been for 5 years? PVDS could speak English, I heard him speak English in many interviews. This is why your comments are ridiculous and not worth the space they take up (klaasend)

    58. vhj on March 2nd, 2010 9:01 am

      thats not the claim here.,2933,457715,00.html

      SM: From your link…

      HAMMER: He spoke fine English. And again, if he had any problems speaking English, he wouldn’t have been reading the transcript along with me.

    59. brie. on March 2nd, 2010 11:01 am

      Looks like from what I have been reading that the last confession from Joran will be not be pursued by the prosecution because they claim it is unbelievable…would Tim Miller and TES return to Aruba to continue the search for Natalee without the help of the prosecution or will Aruba forbid it…I guess in an interview there was supposedly a witness A but the prosecution says there is witness denial….not sure what is going on…

    60. vhj on March 2nd, 2010 9:28 pm

      absolutly Red,you would think this laywer with an appetite for free P.R would jump at the chance and by the way klaasend,I know perfectly well paulis vandersloot spoke english,I was being sarcastic,a devils advocate,I believe he spoke english to mrs holloway that very first day,but found no problem anouncing to the world a short time later that he doesn’t speak english.An outright lie.just bringing out more characteristics and morale standing of this individual who was going to be an ARUBAN JUDGE,this is the kind of individual the aruban judicuary is looking for

    61. Carpe on March 2nd, 2010 10:40 pm

      The only English Paulus Van der sloot does not understand:

      Where’s my daughter?

      The whole world is better off with him dead.

      Colors seem brighter!

      The air, much cleaner.

      Shirts stay a lot dryer…

      I’ve got a million of them.

      Be here all week!

    62. crossbow on March 3rd, 2010 4:20 am

      I’m posting this again in case it gts lost on the previous topic:

      Hi Waterboy.
      No I have not changed my opinion about cremation.
      “When there is no body it is difficult to prosecute” from Paulus’s own mouth.
      Words to that effect. The fact that Yolanda Wever denied that she knew of a crematorium and it was not installed at her funeral home was a half truth. She lives at The Olive Tree Funeral Home and there lies the installation. ATM withdrawal to pay someone to go get a body bag from the Funeral Home. Rene the incinerator operator may have been involved, Yes I believe that drugs were involved with Paulus’ death.
      Some drugs when used properly IV, work wonders, sometimes the same drug ingested has the opposite effect.

      Another confession could place Natalee and Joran at the home of a prominent Aruban resident and drugs may have been involved hence the cover up.

      I do not believe the swamp confession.

      After three days and Rigamortis sets in, the bacteria in the intestines begin to die and give off gas. This causes the abdomen to fill with this gas and blow up like a balloon: therefore the body then surfaces until decomposition causes the ligament to separate and the body once devoid of gas will then sink again.
      Natalee may have been put in the swamp but only until her body could be retrieved for final disposition.

      BTW check the Aruban Yellow pages, the Funeral Homes offer cremation.

      Also while in the yellow pages search on prostitution and see how many hits you get.

      BTW2: I thought about the hospital angle; and it may have been possible that Natalee could have been taken there; possibly died there and there is where Rene (incinerator operator) cames into the picture. Just a thought.

    63. brie. on March 3rd, 2010 8:24 am

      Crossbow…that is a new thought…Paulus did withdraw money from an ATM machine…Hmmm….We have never gotten a clear answer and Paulus lied about the time….

    64. Ami on March 3rd, 2010 2:59 pm

      I believe that so many Aruban “officials” were involved in the initial coverup, and Joran knows this. Almost like a dare he keeps coming out with new confessions. He knows to TRULY prosecute this crime, at this point, it would be a complete overhaul of all Aruban officials, and possibly into The Netherlands by now. The reflection on The Netherlands, by way of Aruba, would be too great internationally. He knows this and is having his sociopathic fun. It feeds his ego to know the power he has as one to fuel this machine, and drive however he pleases.

    65. gary on March 3rd, 2010 3:19 pm

      The reason jvds has included Andre in his new lie, is only because he was involved in moving her body to alhambra shopping center at address #56, called Aruba Textile Care at 3:00am Mon. morning, Guido got out of Dodge, now Andre needs a new alibi, the body was picked up from the pond area (where the gardener seen them) at 2:40am, and taken there. they will really squirm when I take them on the Boat ride on 6/4/05 at 1:50am, and tell them about the problems they had trying to sink the cage ..

    66. gary on March 3rd, 2010 6:12 pm

      Mon. night around 11:00pm, D.K. and Jvds pickup her body in D.K. car ( decomposition is starting to be notice) they take her to Jvds house, D.K. parkes his car inside the compound, so they couldn’t be seen, then Pvds, Jvds, D.K. buried her body up againest the house, at this time Beth and Jug showed up with the Police, they were sent on a wild goose chase, so the boys could move the car out of the compound, that night the two dogs started digging her up, they moved her inside the apt. and put her in the bathtub.
      this was #3 location, all this info is being taken from Jvds 6/13/05 and the 6/14/05 p.v.s.

    67. Tamikosmom on March 3rd, 2010 6:14 pm


      If your words reflect the truth and not just a theory … please come forward to the FBI and reveal all. Justice for Natalee Holloway and … closure for her family … demands it.


    68. Tamikosmom on March 3rd, 2010 6:45 pm


      If your words reflect the truth … I am afraid for your safety. Logic dictates that you are known to those in the Aruban investigation who established a coverup agenda from the getgo … a coverup up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus van der Sloot from implication.

      In all walks of life it is recognized that there are privileged segments of an established group who are given implied permission by the “powers that be” to disregard the established boundaries and … there will be no consequences. The implication is that targeted victims do not stand chance.

      Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance. Paulus van der Sloot and family were a privileged segment in the Aruban hierarchy.

      Please come forward to the FBI.




      On the Record w / Greta – November 14, 2005

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ….. it has to be.

      ‘Scarborough Country’ – October 23, 2005

      BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.


      Nancy Grace – October 4, 2005

      NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

      JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with — and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

    69. Tamikosmom on March 3rd, 2010 7:38 pm


      Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

      Page 44: Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn. … Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and the address. On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

      Page 45: We haven’t located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

      Case Number: BC3 63401
      Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper
      Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
      Pages: 3
      Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
      Description: witness statement

      Page 45: At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home. … Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leave. Jug gets out and goes to the front with the officers. The silver Honda isn’t there anymore. … The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

      Page 46: We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out, and literally run through the police officers and Paulus to be the first one in the casino. Frantically I look left and right and left again, asking the pit bosses if they have seen Joran. I run straight to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the the front. There is no sign of him.

      I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again. He tells us that his son is back at their house now. He is there with his friend, Deepak Kalpoe, the owner of the silver Honda.

      Page 47: We are instructed to go back to the van der Slooot residence, where Joran is now waiting. … We arrive to see people standing in front of the house. They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

      Page 48: It’s about three o’clock in the morning . It’s a school night. They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino. They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts. I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on. Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.

      Page 121: And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were standing in the van der Sloots’ front yard … .

    70. Tamikosmom on March 3rd, 2010 7:46 pm

      66.gary on March 3rd, 2010 6:12 pm

      … all this info is being taken from Jvds 6/13/05 and the 6/14/05 p.v.s.



      Are you creating a theory based on Joran’s June 13/14 statements? Much of what your comment are not Joran’s words. However … the June 13th statement that is not translated may reveal more.



      JORAN 06/14/2005 STATEMENT

      JORAN 06/13/2005 STATEMENT

    71. Tamikosmom on March 3rd, 2010 8:28 pm

      66.gary on March 3rd, 2010 6:12 pm

      Mon. night around 11:00pm, D.K. and Jvds pickup her body in D.K. car ( decomposition is starting to be notice) they take her to Jvds house ….



      Where are you getting your information pertaining to the moving of Natalee Holloway body within a 12 hour period.



      Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

      Page 51: We are to disperse. Alberto walks over to my car and reports that Joran and Deepak insist they dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. I relay this to the students back home who are still on the phone with me. They shout back. “No, he didn’t drop her off there! He is lying!” They ar telling me to go inside the house. They can hear the shouting between Paulus and the others. They hear the chaos.

      “Go inside that house, please!” they shout. Everyone feels that she must be inside, either held captive or incapacitated, and that I should go inside. I ask. But the police say they have to have a search warrant to let me in. I ask again. Paulus, a judge-in-training, knows exactly what he has to do and exactly what he doesn’t have to do. And he knows that he doesn’t have to let the police or me inside his house, And he refuses.

      On the Record w/ Greta – July 19, 2005

      JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S STEPFATHER: So you know, if I had it all to do over again, Greta, when we got to that judge’s house that night, we would have taken — we had three vans. I would have blocked that car in, and if I didn’t think, you know, that the police were going to do anything the next morning, I would have parked those cars there and let them tow them away until I could open that car, open that trunk and look in that silver car the next morning.,2933,162966,00.html

    72. Waterboy on March 3rd, 2010 8:43 pm

      To all.

      I know we have looked at and analyzed this case for years. Many of us feel like we know the suspects. We see their clones in the newspapers every day, in every country. They have been with us from the beginning. These modern day Cains are all around us. They shed the blood of the week and frail, the ground swallows the blood of their victims, and screams for justice.

      I for one, don’t believe for one second that Natalee’s death was an accident. This seems to be a constant chatter of the guilty–to blame Natalee, her family, her friends, even us as Americans. Criminals do this. What was Cains statement to God? “Am I my brother’s keeper.” How about, “I never have sex without a condom, I never do that.” “Liar! Liar! pants on fire!”

      I believe she was murdered in cold blood to keep her from alerting authorities to the activities of certain persons, some of which we may not know and will possible never know.

      I believe even if they had not murdered Natalee, that the authorities would have done nothing and only arrested to soon release those Natalee named, without charges.

      Remember as darkness falls, and the sun sets in the West, that the vampires responsible for Natalee’s death still roam the night. They still seek the blood of the young,infirm, and weak.

      Lock your doors, guard your children, keep an eye on the elderly who can not defend themselves. Sharpen your skills, keep your body strong, remember the warrior you once were,never knowing when you may be called into action in defense of God, Country, Family, or others.


    73. Waterboy on March 3rd, 2010 8:54 pm

      Those pointing their finger at Natalee, her Mother, her Father, her stepDad, her friends, etc., and claiming that they are in some way responsible for Natalee’s death, are the venom of a rattlesnake, and were a part of or condoning of her death. There are no ifs, ands, or buts, about it.

      You are clones of swamp mud!


    74. Susan on March 3rd, 2010 9:05 pm

      No comment on Joran’s confession’
      2 Maart, 2010, 07:25 (GMT -04:00)

      ORANJESTAD — Former commissioner, currently interim director of Directorate Culture (DCA), Jan van der Straten, does not wish to comment on the TV-confession of Joran van der Sloot. “The investigation is still in progress and I have not been involved in the case since the last five years. Whatever is said could endanger the current developments. Therefore, I informed everyone who has phoned me that I would not be commenting on the matter. The damage would otherwise be incalculable.”

      However, Van der Straten is of the opinion that if there had been a confession, this should have made with the police. “It should not be a subject of financial discussion because I would find that very awful for the family whose daughter is missing.” In this, Van der Straten refers to the amount of 10,000 euros, which Joran had received for his TV-confession.

      One is still awaiting the final report from the Public Prosecution on the former commissioner’s role in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The reason for the investigation regarded the allegations of the former minister of Justice, Rudy Croes (MEP) that Van der Straten had intentionally obstructed the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway during the crucial early stage of the investigation to help his supposed friend Paul van der Sloot in protecting his son, main suspect, Joran van der Sloot. “I will not comment on that for the perfectly simple reason that I know what everyone on Aruba had done in this case”, says Van der Straten. Before the Amigoe, he denies he is a friend of the Van der Sloot-family.

      Five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the broadcast of the most recent confession from Joran van der Sloot last Sunday had not even attracted one million viewers. During that interview, Joran had changed his confession once again and wept as he declared that Natalee had fallen from the balcony under influence of alcohol and drugs. There had been no question of foul play at all with the fatal incident.

      Last weekend, the Public Prosecution (OM) had mentioned that they considered Joran – who for that matter had been seen on Aruba last week – guilty, but did not have sufficient evidence to press charges against him.

    75. brie. on March 3rd, 2010 9:34 pm

      There are several scenario possibilities, but which one is correct? One of them is probably close to the truth…will we ever really know?

    76. brie. on March 4th, 2010 12:22 am

      If Natalee was temporally buried on Van der Sloot’s property and Deepak and Joran dug her up maybe that is why Beth said they were all dirty but didn’t know why…the dogs kept digging her up and maybe that is why Paulus built that wall because Joran’s dog continued to try and dig there, so, Joran shot and killed him with the paint ball gun…

      Could be Natalee was first thrown in the pond, buried in the back yard and then dumped in the sea using the Gottenbos boat, which had already been in the water….Joran said Sander called him and invited him to go boating that following Sunday, Joran said no but maybe he actually went along and Sander loses his cell phone..and what about Koen, he probably aided in dumping Natalee overboard that’s why he had to pee in his pants when the police came to the door….then they sell the boat, the house and leave Aruba….bunch of people in this cover-up….

    77. brie. on March 4th, 2010 12:25 am

      And to, Blanken probably knows that Natalee is no longer in the pond but in the ocean….

    78. Sharon/TX on March 4th, 2010 6:42 am

      66, please,

      “Reporting Crime
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    79. Blonde on March 4th, 2010 11:48 am

      You said they buried her body up againest the house what did they wrap her in, a bag, tarp, or blanket.

    80. Maggie on March 4th, 2010 2:40 pm


      I like your 69 and 71 posts.. That says it all. Paulus claimed to be asleep and was woke up, came to the door carrying his phone.just a coincidence he needed it to call Joran..yeah right.. Paulus led them away from the house for over an hour to the Wyndham.. no record of Deepak or Joran at the Wyndham that night..and they were wearing grubby t-shirts and shorts.. not something to wear to a casino.

      I don’t believe this stupid story either.. One more chance for Dompig and Joran and his cast of freaks to smear Natalee by trying to say she was doing cocaine.. Natalee wasn’t a coke user and I don’t believe for one minute that night she was out snorting coke.

      Right from the start.. Karen Janssen called this a sex crime.. Steve Cohen said he expected at least 2 of them to be charged with rape and murder. Joran talked many times about sexual encounters with Natalee that night.. Dompig said at one point mentioned rape in the Vanity Fair article. Joran and Anita were even describing Natalee’s underwear.

      Creeps go out all the time and move in on intoxicated females, drug them at times, for girls that wouldn’t have sex with them otherwise aka rape.

      The prosecutor Mos said they found chat sessions of these 3 talking about going after American girls and what they planned to do with them(I can promise you it wasn’t for dancing on a balcony doing coke). Joran said we have done this 20 times before.. Deepak said, Joran and/or Freddie always made the first move on the girls when we went out together.. They also said the fact the girl is dead is not good.

      Deepak is sitting in the car waiting on them..with it running.. Satish is walking around watching.. Joran is getting the girl. Who believes Deepak had no minutes on his cell phone?

      The only reason anyone would go out at closing time to move in on a single intoxicated girl was sex. Serving her up a 150 rum..on the way out.

      No rocket scientist to figure that out.

      As for fitting the timeline..Noone has a clue who was on those computers that night..just that someone was.

      Get sick of hearing about no evidence. Cops are either corrupt or worse than Barney Fife not to search the last 3 people with Natalee..their bodies, their cars, their homes, the very first night. Separate them and question them all night.
      Who waits 10 days? I choose to believe they looked the other way..too many conflicts of interest in this case.

      Paulus got them lawyers before they were suspects, according to Deepak Paulus had talks with them all the time(but he has convenient amnesia when needed too) Paulus sat around the pool with the family , made up the Holiday Inn lie, Paulus told them If there is no body, there is no case just a day after when Natalee was simply missing.. Anita called a witness over to the house to ask what they told the police.. No search of their home for over 2 years. Paulus sweating at the table… Anita describing all kinds of sexual stuff and Natalee’s underwear, Paulus caught in lies in his police statements and tv appearances, Paulus saying Joran sneaked out the second night again after his police statement says he gave him permission to go out gambling illegally again the second night. Paulus leading the group away from the house for over an hour.. Paulus going to work in the same office as Joran’s lawyer. Joran bragging he has tons of police statements and practically knows them by heart.. Van der straten going to Paulus’s office to tell him to bring Joran in.. (phone’s bugged?)

      It was stated at the first this was not a case for Van der Straten.. Yet he was on the caes..good friends with the Sloots.. rumoured to be Joran’s godfather.. When he was taken off the case, he was still seen going in to meet with Jacobs and/or Dompig.. by Dave.. Ever witness that has come forward was a liar, every piece of evidence was doctored, or was nothing.. This is beyond nuts..

      Joran appears to be a psychopath/sociopath imo as many have said who have watched him.. They have no remorse..they love taunting and bragging..they never change.

      You don’t hide/discard a body unless their is evidence on it linking it to a person. Why would Joran get 15 years if she was found according to Deepak.. Why would they see that sh$t if she was found.

      Normal people do not engage in such bs if they are innocent and have nothing to hide. It is common for people commiting crimes to trash the victims as if to justify what happened to them. The Kalpoes and Sloots have trashed Natalee and her family repeatedly. Did nothing to find Natalee, and lied where she last was to avoid her being found. Pin a crime on 2 black security guards..kidnapping and murder..

      Anyone with a daughter knows she wouldn’t stay on a dark beach alone at 2am in a foreign country unless she was unconscious.. They would never leave without their clothes, makeup, cellphone, no money to survive on, no transportation, no id, no passport.. and in the history of the world noone has been kidnapped by aliens or evaporated. Wouldn’t you know the night these 3 went out and moved in on Natalee.. all of the above took place at Natalee’s doing including all at once she was a coke user.. yeah right..

      These 3 were the last with Natalee and not one thing has changed that in 5 years. Even Joran said in one interview.. they were last with Natalee.

      I am still waiting on that good solid evidence air bag(renfro) said that cops had against the 2 guards for murder and kidnapping.

      Noone’s damn business about any of the Holloway’s financial stuff. Maybe it’s because they earned it the old fashion way and worked for it. I just look at those people like the ones who want to marry people like Scott Peterson on death row.

      Natalee “disappeared” in Aruba with these 3.. not in the USA..

    81. Maggie on March 4th, 2010 3:01 pm

      Blast from the past.. Joe T.. depends on who’s paying the bill..

      attorney: Joseph Tacopina, who is also representing disgraced Post gossip columnist Jared Paul Stern. Certainly the family has hired a mediagenic

      But Tocapina insists Imette’s mom Maureen St. Guillen isn’t in it for the money, and says the family’s main aim was to “pursue legislative change, so that Imette doesn’t die in vain.”

      “It’s our position that the owners [of the Falls] are certainly culpable,” Tacopina said, without naming names. “They hired somebody who has a felony record and PUT A PREDATOR IN THE MIX. Then they violated the law again when THEY DIDN’T COME CLEAN WITH THE POLICE, AND GAVE FALSE AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS,” Tacopina added, referring to Daniel Dorrian. ” THAT TO ME IS AN EVEN BIGGER OFFENSE.

      And this one about Christie Brinkley’s husband preying on a young woman..

      She was a victim of this guy who preyed on her naivete, her immaturity, the fact that she’s 19,” said Bianchi’s lawyer, Joseph Tacopina.

      “There’s just so many things wrong with what this guy did.”

      Tacopina said Bianchi’s family retained him partly because she could be a witness in Brinkley’s and Cook’s expected “bitter” divorce over $60 million-plus in property – and also because of potential legal action that they may take against Cook for his conduct toward Bianchi.

      “The issue here is what this guy has done to her. I think the harm will be irreparable,” Tacopina said.

    82. Waterboy on March 5th, 2010 12:33 am

      Gary #66,

      It seems to me that you may have some first or second hand knowledge of this crime.

      I urge you to call the FBI and report what you know. Don’t trust your life to the authorities in Aruba, or I fear you may go the way of Rene, Robert B., Junior, and who knows how many others.

      It has long been my suspicion that Natalee was in the trunk of Depak’s car when Jug and Beth arrived at the Sloot’s house. She many have been alive, drugged so heavily that she could not alert those outside.

      I know you must be afraid, but please do the right thing, or convince those who shared this knowledge to do the right thing. It may take repeated calls to the FBI to stir belief in the information you are disclosing. If you will write down the names of those you talk with and ask for these individuals by name each time you call, it will speed the process; and help rush things along. The more detail you can give, the better. (Names, dates, places, times, etc.)

      Please in all sincerity, won’t you help?


    83. Waterboy on March 5th, 2010 1:10 am


      If (a big if) your story is true and you were a first hand witness to the information you are disclosing, you are one of 7 persons still living, and I can guess your identity in 2 guesses. You know I can.

      Ask yourself this–if some guy thousands of miles away can guess my identity, then what about those who might wish to harm me. Do they know my identity? You can bet they do or will shortly.

      Of course, if you are a second hand witness, I don’t know you. No one else will either.

      You must believe Joran’s story that Natalee’s death was an accident. I can tell you it was not. She was raped, and killed in a manner that could not have been an accident. Otherwise, Joran would have taken her to the hospital. You know this is true. There is no other explanation possible.

      I urge you to call the FBI as soon as possible to protect yourself.


    84. Sharon/TX on March 5th, 2010 7:13 am

      Bust this case wide open and be a hero.

      FBI toll-free number 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324)

    85. gary on March 5th, 2010 10:25 am

      Just to let you know that I live in the U.S.A., and never been to Aruba, and I’m not afraid,jvds is the one playing games with a brutal murder of Natalee, and taking you people in a complete circle with this gruesome crime, at the beginning D.K. was seen policing the crime area and moving items to the Bird Sanctuary, when question by the police, he said he wanted to mess up the Investigation, do you think jvds would let him do that if he had put her body there??
      also the 2ks provided an item from their house to cover Natalee with (the right side of her face and her head were bleeding, she also had damage to her throat, strangled or took a hard blow to the Larynx area causing her to suffocate, this is my guess)She also was raped/attemped by jvds only.
      #4 location was taken from a S.M. article, that two female phone workers seen a man with an ax, a car and a blond girl laying in the bushes close to Barcadera in a field, during the week she went missing..
      #5 The trap was retrieved during this week and taken to Frenchmans Pass and hidden, now they had to wait until the parents of Koen and Sander left Aruba the coming weekend, so they could use the boat..

    86. John on March 5th, 2010 11:48 am

      i have to say i’m quite amused when i look at this forum. sure the Aruban police department might be corrupt, but so are all police governments and police departments, it’s just about the extent of corruption you know? so like how corrupt is a government entity compared to another. our own police department and government in the USA are way more corrupt than those fellas handling the case in Aruba. let’s stop giving those guys a hard time and let’s start try to fix things a little bit in our own country first, that quite frankly are much more messed up than in Aruba. we can also start searching for the thousands of missing girls right here in the USA that haven’t been found yet, that would be a good thing to do right?

    87. Sharon/TX on March 5th, 2010 1:04 pm

      Hey Gary, prove to us that you are not just another fake out to torment this poor family. If this were your daughter, wouldn’t you want to know where she was and to stop this nightmare? Come talk to us on the forum. Please?

    88. gail on March 5th, 2010 4:25 pm

      if this gary person really has information, why are you not calling the fbi or natalies family directly, i am sure they will give a huge reward when someone breaks this case open. please if you know anything tell someone in the u.s.a. remember all boycott aurba justice for natalie.

    89. Carpe on March 5th, 2010 10:14 pm


      EPIC FAIL!

      Right about here.

      “our own police department and government in the USA are way more corrupt than those fellas handling the case in Aruba.”

      Not even close.

      Aruba is the kind of nightmare that you
      read stories about, but never believe can
      happen in real life.

    90. Waterboy on March 5th, 2010 11:16 pm


      As is not too uncommon, I took the bait.


    91. HighVoltageBlonde on March 5th, 2010 11:20 pm

      Wow. I used to visit this site every day back when the story broke. It was the place to be, remember some of the media outlets even got their news here. I just did a Google search and Scared Monkeys came up. Good to know you guys are still around. I wish they’d get VDS once and for all.

    92. brie. on March 6th, 2010 5:06 am

      Well, from the previous posts, if true, I would think you have to be someone close to Joran, those would be his cousins Koen and Sander..while else would Koen pee in his pants when questioned…

    93. Waterboy on March 6th, 2010 8:47 am

      Who transported bodies from the hospital morgue to the funeral home(s)?

      I speculate, this is the person Paulus paid.

      I honestly don’t know this individual. Does anyone?


    94. Susan on March 6th, 2010 8:54 am

      Gees, Gary – seems you’ve caused a quite a commotion with your theories, quote “guesses”…

      I don’t believe a word you say, but obviously others did ;-) Have a nice day!

    95. kitty on March 6th, 2010 9:26 am

      Only a coward would not come forward and tell what they know…

    96. Tamikosmom on March 6th, 2010 2:47 pm


      I had “What if?” moments after reading Gary’s posts but have come to the conclusion that he is sharing his theory with us all based on info that is out there. Hey … that is OK when you consider that the truth regarding the events incompassing the morning of May 31, 2005 are still ellusive. In other words … Gary has no inside information … he is not a first hand witness.

      With all the misinformation and confessions out there in the Natalee Holloway case … unless someone who claims to be in the know contacts the FBI … takes a polygraph … his/her motives are suspect.

      Have a nice Saturday all!


    97. crossbow on March 6th, 2010 3:29 pm

      93 waterboy

      My guess would be Rene. We never did get a complete work history on him.
      His death was suspicious.

    98. Anastacia on March 6th, 2010 3:43 pm

      hmmm what’s up with the hardcore blaming aruba for everything obsession thing???? you guys do realise that if natalee became missing in any other latin country, carribbean island or even on our own soil USA that the police department would have barely made a missing person report and after a week just forget about it right??? for example if natalee became missing in Venezuela … even if we were extremely LUCKY .. the best answer we would’ve gotten from president Chavez would be something like “we’ll let you know if we ever find natalee, piss off now” ofcourse Chavez would be saying that in spanish since he can’t speak even speak any english anyway..
      SM: Are you comparing Aruba to Venezuela? I hardly think that some of these countries you are referencing pass themselves off as safe island paradises.

      No one would go to Aruba if it were Venezuela.

      Funny, police in the US make missing reports every day on those that go missing. You might want to rethink your comment.

    99. gary on March 6th, 2010 4:43 pm

      Hi I’m back, had a little computer problem, but looks ok now,just to let you know we are looking for a body, and the last place she was placed, when you move it to 6 different locations, it becomes very hard. also I’m useing the pvs of jvds he gave at that time.
      Beto arrives at jvds around 8:00pm, he has a pizza and some coke cola, Koen and Sander are there plus jvds playing cards, fri. 6/3/05.
      This part I have to adlib, they leave around 12:00 midnight,Koen and Sander launch the boat at Pos Chiquito, then headed up the Spanish Lagoon to meet the others at a secuded area, the others load the cage on a pickup at Frenchmans Pass, and meet the boat at this area, they load the cage onto the boat and head toward the mouth of the Spanish Lagoon turning left heading pass De Palm Is. toward a Reef.
      This is where jvds starts in his 6/14/05 statement It’s 1:50 am 6/4/05 they are at #5 location (this is the little finger on the south side of the Reef)If you lay your rh. hand with the palm down, start with your thumb as #1 thru #5 your little finger, with all fingers pointing toward De Palm Is. he takes out two buckets from the cage and now they head south toward another Reef called Mangel Halto, when half way there they drop these two buckets, turning around and heading north (these two buckets contain Natalee’s personal Items and the thing she was wrap in, when they stop again at #5, they take out two more buckets dropping one here and head north dropping the other between #4 and #5, then head north ( 5000ft) and stop at #1 finger, this is where they drop the Cage, but it won’t sink they get on back on the swim platforms trying to get it to sink but the water is rough and it is banging against the motor, after about 15 mins.
      it sinks now jvds doesn’t know the exact spot it was dropped, so he used a bldg. on De palm as his reference point, not further north then this bldg.
      it probably took them a long time to get home because just lately I heard they broke a prop. also the name of this Reef is Johnnys Fingers.
      lets keep our fingers crossed that he was telling the truth

    100. Anastacia on March 6th, 2010 5:37 pm

      Well if you put it that way, there are very few countries that are even close to being as safe as Aruba… even the safest town/community in the USA is more dangerous than aruba.. come on man as far as i know aruba’s slogan isn’t “come visit aruba, we can guarantee you that nothing bad will happen to you” .. and yes you are right, the police in the US do make THOUSANDS of missing person reports everyday, what I said was that those reports will be tossed and forgotten within a week or two, unlike aruba who is still wasting hundreds of thousands dollars on resources to find natalee.. what i’m saying is that we should be thankfull that aruba is still trying to find natalee because i’m sure as hell that no other country would even think about wasting their budgets on one girl.

    101. Sharon/TX on March 6th, 2010 5:57 pm

      Yeah yeah Gary. Tell me something that isn’t in a blog or book. Hey, I’ll fly down there…. tell me where Natalee is. Chicken. The prop crap is all over the internet.

    102. Sharon/TX on March 6th, 2010 5:58 pm

      Where’s the room key? Where’s the flip flops? Where’s her necklace? Hogwash Gary.

    103. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 11:32 am

      Who was killing these people? Is it all just a fluke that people who should have known something showed up dead?

      The Wever lady that died a few days after Natalee disappeared. Does anyone know why she died? She was 42 years old.

      The two security guards that fell off the top of hotels.

      The curly headed kid who worked at the lighthouse restaurant. Supposedly, he died of asthma.


      Joran’s across the street neighbor.

      What happen to Junior—is he dead too.

      Robert Benson

      The gardener (hunting-fishing guide) whre is he?

      Who else died withing a month of Natalee’s death.

      If they were murdered, who did it? Who paid for it? Who would know where to find a “fixer”. Would some one who worker with “fixers” know whre to find one?

      Did the fixer get fixed?


    104. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 11:35 am

      Does anyone have a link to the 750 pages of information in this case? I can’t find it any more.


    105. Tamikosmom on March 7th, 2010 8:27 pm

      103.Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 11:32 am

      The gardener (hunting-fishing guide) whre is he?


      Waterboy … the gardener was deported. At least that is what the prosecutor claims.

      Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

      Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.

      Hannity & Colmes – August 9, 2005

      DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FATHER: Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

      Amigoe – August 12, 2005
      Natalee Holloway: Witness Has Left The Island

      ARUBA – The Public Prosecutor (OM) told the lawyers that there will be no interrogation of the gardener in the Holloway case. The man had left Aruba, because he didn’t have legal papers.

      Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

      Page 178: According to others present in the courtroom, Deepak appears very nervous when he hears the gardener’s statement. He panics. And according to the FBI, contacts a young lady to ask her to lie for him. The young lady calls the FBI in the States and reports that Deepak asked her to give him an alibi for the night Natalee disappeared. They are trying to locate this girl. She says she “doesn’t want to get involved” and doesn’t leave her name. It’s very hard to trace her number between international cell towers, but her information is riveting, and very, very important


    106. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 10:55 pm

      Who was the gardener in the employment of as a gardener-hunting-fishing guide?


    107. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 10:57 pm

      What time does a gardener go to work?


    108. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 11:02 pm

      Once on an elk hunt, the Indian guide wanted us at the stables by 3AM. He seemed shocked when we were there with horses saddled and waiting on him when he arrived at 3:45.

      We didn’t see any gardeners at that hour.


    109. Waterboy on March 7th, 2010 11:03 pm

      We did see some left over drunks from the night before.

    110. Susan on March 8th, 2010 5:12 am

      Boycott Seeks to Pressure Aruba in Holloway Case
      Updated: 20 hours 57 minutes ago
      David Lohr

      AOL News (March 6) — For nearly five years, Indianapolis resident Michelle Harstad-Simonsen has been urging U.S. tourists to boycott travel to Aruba. Her aim is to pressure the Aruban government into taking action in the May 2005 disappearance of an American teen who was visiting the island.

      “This consumer grass-roots movement urges everyone to abandon plans to travel to Aruba or the Netherland Antilles until this case is resolved,” Harstad-Simonsen told AOL News. “We want justice, plain and simple.”

      Natalee Holloway, 18, from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared May 30, 2005, while on a trip to Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation. Her body has never been found.

      Holloway’s classmates said they last saw her leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s nightclub with Joran van der Sloot, then a 17-year-old Dutch honors student living in Aruba, and his two friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. All three young men were arrested, but they were released without charge.

      From the onset of the case, van der Sloot allegedly has made multiple confessions, each varying significantly. As a result, Aruban prosecutors have deemed them a mixture of “lies and fantasy” and have decided not to take action against him, a move that angers Harstad-Simonsen.

      “I decided to get involved after Beth Holloway [Natalee's mother] announced her intention to boycott Aruba in the fall of 2005,” Harstad-Simonsen said. “I had followed Natalee’s case from Day One. It hit home because I am a crime victim, and my heart dropped when I read the allegations against van der Sloot. I saw myself in her and wanted to give her justice. I was determined to do something about it. I started the Aruban Boycott blog in November 2005, with no intention of giving up.”

      The Natalee Holloway Case

      Natalee Holloway was 18 when she disappeared on May 30, 2005, while vacationing in Aruba. Her fate has been a mystery ever since. Authorities believe she is dead, but her body has not been found.

      Harstad-Simonsen is originally from Wisconsin and holds a bachelor’s degree in political science and criminal justice. She had dreams of becoming a prosecutor, but mounting student loan debts kept her from attaining that goal.

      “I have used my applicable and relevant skills and worked in the legal field for 10 years. In the last year or so, I started working on my own as a true crime writer,” Harstad-Simonsen said. “I have a journalism background, so it seemed a perfect fit to integrate my criminal justice background with my passion for writing, but the main goal is justice for Natalee. Hitting the [Aruban government] where it hurts is the only tool to use, considering most of their revenue comes from tourism.”

      According to, more than 1.5 million tourists a year visit Aruba, with 75 percent of those coming from America. Tourism dipped more than 9 percent after Beth Holloway’s plea for an island boycott. Last year, CDNN and other Web sites reported that the “botched Holloway case” continued to damage Aruba tourism. However, since that time numbers have rebounded.

      The U.S. government has refused to support a boycott of Aruba, as have many major travel groups.

      Despite the recent increase in visitors to the island, Harstad-Simonsen says she has no plans to back down and remains convinced the boycott is having a negative impact.

      “The boycott is working,” she said. “I get e-mails all the time from Dutch and Aruban individuals asking me to take down my blog and stop writing negative things about the island. There’s no way anyone would take the time to write and send me these long e-mails if it wasn’t working. I will stand by in the long haul until the powers that be on the island do what they can to end the case. Until they do that, the boycott will continue indefinitely.”

      So while Harstad-Simonsen is dedicated to continuing her fight, she admits that the end is far from sight and that it is unlikely the Holloway case will ever be solved.

      “I hate to be pessimistic, but I don’t see them finding Natalee,” she said. “If she was on the island, she would have been found by now. I truly believe that she was dumped in the sea. Trying to locate her is like finding a needle in a haystack, but I do applaud Natalee’s dad, Dave Holloway, for his persistence in trying to locate her. I am a parent myself, and I would do the same thing.”

    111. Waterboy on March 8th, 2010 11:06 pm

      I’ll ask again.

      Who was the gardener in the employment of as a gardener-hunting-fishing guide?


    112. Brain W on March 9th, 2010 5:46 am

      I did some digging around and came to know that the Aruban Police Department knew about and have seen Joran’s latest confession more than a half year ago now. They have already searched the pond twice a few months ago and haven’t found anything. No way in hell the Aruban Police are corrupt, seems like these bright guys really are on top of things. It seems you guys on this forum just seem not to know anything (proof of this lies in quote 1 and 12) and want to claim right away that the Aruban Police aren’t doing anything or that they are “corrupt”. How about informing yourself better before you say such foolishness. Oh, and I just came back from a vacation on Aruba and it was awesome :)
      SM: Troll, have a good time in Aruba, you deserve each other. Don’t worry though Lifetime will always show the Natalee story and remind people of the crime perpetrated against the Holloway’s not once, but twice.

      Now go along and play with your crayons.

    113. Brain W on March 9th, 2010 6:09 am

      I just read comment #110 and thought it was funny, let me reply on that real quick.
      On my vacation in Aruba I have met a lot of very nice locals.. always helpful and caring, I also checked out the police department and I was quite impressed how they are running things. So why would you boycott Aruba? Because the FBI came to Aruba searching for Natalee and couldn’t find anything either.. ohhh I guess that means the FBI are very corrupt as well, so let’s boycott the FBI. Did you know that in the last 5 years there were 5 missing children in Alabama who have never been found because the Police Department is so incompetent? My god Alabama is corrupt, BOYCOTT ALABAMA TILL HELL FREEZES OVER :D … did that sound ridiculous? Yes very much, actually everytime you guys say boycott Aruba it sounds just as ridiculous!!! Here’s an interesting fact: Natalee is only the 4th person in Aruba who has gone missing and never been found since World War II. In Alabama it’s 5 people in the last 5 years!!!! BOYCOTT ALABAMA !! hahahahaha
      SM: You checked things out, Oh I feel safe now.


    114. Brain W on March 9th, 2010 6:16 am

      the funny thing is I heard about Aruba from the media when they were covering the Holloway story and when Dr. phil said to boycott Aruba… I got interested and had to look for myself if what they said was true because as always I’m a big skeptic when it comes to the media (they’re all a bunch of lying sheep who just need their ratings to go up)… I went to Aruba and I have found my new vacation spot.. I love that place!! I’m totally going back there again when I have the time!!!
      SM: Who needs to follow this story with the MSM, SM has covered it on their own and has gone to Aruba as well. Sorry Charlie but I lived and worked there and know many of the political officials involved here.

      Have a great time going back to Aruba, I hardly think you would be so smug if such a thing happened to you personally or a family friend. But I am sure you would be crying a river for help if it did.

      Nice yo know there are people out there with principles, cuz its all about you.

    115. Waterboy on March 9th, 2010 9:57 pm

      Brain W.,

      Are you a crack-head or what? You have not been following this case if you think there is no corruption in Aruba.

      You are like the guy standing a few feet away form a large hornet’s nest, squirting it with a water gun, all the while saying, “they don’t sting, they look very honest and organized to me.”


    116. vhj on March 10th, 2010 10:43 am

      maybe it’s time to send this guy to aruba.

    117. Susan on March 10th, 2010 5:54 pm

      Brain”less W – You need to get a few clues, a life, and a set of brains while you are at it! Why boycott Aruba? Because the Aruban officials and law enforcement played a huge role in the investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, showing the world how corrupt they truly are, and how determined they were (and still are) to protect Paulass van der Slut and his son, Urine!!! How would you like it if, while vacationing on that poverty stricken, lawless, drug infested, God forsaken Dutch protectorate of Aruba, your loved one came up missing, and law enforcement officials were not willing to help you find them??? Why would you check out the police department there? Were you afraid you’d come up missing???

      In regards to the FBI going to Aruba, they were not allowed to do anything, no searches, nada!

      Here’s one for you:




    118. vhj on March 12th, 2010 2:30 am

      SATISH KALPOE,Wake-up.this is you.don’t deny anymore,save yourself and come clean.if not,we will and no government or agengy can or will stop US.ARUBAN CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT can not stop U.S.

    119. krieton on March 12th, 2010 4:21 am

      come on satish,the nurse is waiting,everyone must get there flu shot

    120. kitty on March 13th, 2010 9:09 am


    121. kitty on March 13th, 2010 9:10 am

      2 Kp’s ~


    122. hermanvandijk on March 14th, 2010 5:14 am


      Please, when do you see the truth all Natalee seachers?
      Natalee was already so so close to me from the beginning! And it costed time for me to understand it. Of course I felt it: because it’s my born talent. That why I tried to do so much for her and my own wife.
      They have the same problems: a youth trauma for the rest of their lives. They are sick for the rest of their lives!
      Natalee ran away for the past. Is hiding via Joran at some good protecting friends.
      And nobody here will or shal speak about a grown up sick and hiding girl who had reasons enough to hide and seek for a big problem at home.

      Let’s think back.
      The first messages were that she took up 2x 5000 dollars from her bank. Then hide in the south of Aruba.
      The Island was partying. The bands and sounds went over the beach. And thère was that big boat.
      The boat Joran is telling about!
      Those artiest took Natalee away with them… to Europa. Far away from her old home.
      And who is knowing Holland better than you??? Right: Joran van der Sloot!!!
      And he has a lot of friends. Do you believe Patrick van der Eem is his anemy? And a lot of all sort of friends?

      Beth is earning millions on Natalee. They earn money on Beth.
      Because everybody is lying about the truth… that Natalee choosed for het own way and life!

      So for the last time: how do you want to find her her far away in Europe? Tell me.

      I hope she is lucky with her little sun.
      One day. One day I hope she dare to look openly. -Afraid as she is.

      So now you know. And hoply understand a little more.

      Take it or leave it.

      All the best.

      SM: I could not disagree with you more. You have no insight into Natalee’s true home life. Really none at all.


    123. hermanvandijk on March 14th, 2010 11:04 am

      Does R stands for redaction?


      What I wrote I wrote.
      Knowing what my contacts are giving me.
      And they are from here…

      People with a trauma at first doing if they are strong.
      First you see nothing outside.
      But inside it keeps growing…

      Then one day it gets you. Suddenly.
      You are laying on the ground.
      Too late to tell everything what happenend.
      Too long a story.

      Natalee got lucky. Somewhere.

      Let’s see it this way (I hope):
      home is private.
      But is “Home sweet home?”

      My own wife keeped her mouth shut up for a lon time.
      Now she knows.

      But: then comes the day that we can help each other!
      Perhaps one day we all can give Natalee that trust she needs.
      But does she trust herself and her strenght to meet again.
      It costs time.

      Please be nice for her.
      Like I/we are doing for my wife and Natalee.

      SM: I really have no idea what your point is. R=RED.

    124. Maggie on March 14th, 2010 4:57 pm

      He doesn’t know either.. If he had any information, the FBI..

      It’s amazing people still come on here and compare crime in Aruba against the USA.. pop. of

      USA: 306,108,000 (March 29, 2009)

      population of Aruba , 103,065 July 2009 est.

      This has never been about the number of crimes anywhere..

      It’s been about the totally absurd behaviour of the police, the people last with Natalee and their families, conflicts of interest, Aruban spokespeople having access to police files, one which told us they expected at least of 2 of them to be charged with rape and murder and another one who is related to one of the people arrested for suspicion of heavy battery against Natalee Holloway.. The list could go on and on about all the weird things going on. There isn’t one person here if it was their child missing..that wouldn’t be saying the same things.

      Top of this category in Natalee Holloway, not crimes elsewhere. If you know of a case in the USA with all this kind of stuff going on by authorities, then report it.

      It’s amazing too, to claim Beth is making millions or Natalee cleaned out her bank account.. Very funny since she had to get money from her father to help pay for her trip. Noone’s damn business how much money Beth has.. or makes. She had a good job until all of this happened.

      Natalee had a great home life, she worked hard for what she had achieved and if she wanted to leave home all she had to do was drive away. She was 18.. all because she was with Joran we are suppose to believe she was going to run away to a foreign country where she knew noone.. had no money or id, clothes, transportation or phone.. NUTS~!. Natalee was doing fine with her friends until in walked the Kalpoes and Sloot..

      I was watching the Chelsea King case and she so reminded me of Natalee.. sounded much like Natalee, such a tragedy..

      Natalee and her family are the victims of this crime and have continued to be victimized over and over.

      Innocent people don’t need lies and 20 dif. stories of what happened one night.

    125. Susan on March 14th, 2010 6:25 pm

      Well said, Maggie :-)

    126. hermanvandijk on March 14th, 2010 6:55 pm


      Here you have my e-mail:

      Should I lie?

      I’m telling you no nonsens.


    127. vhj on March 15th, 2010 10:32 am
    128. hermanvandijk on March 15th, 2010 5:06 pm


      Yes it’s me.

      Not making money.
      Sorry for these words.

      I mean it good.

    129. glad2beAmerican on March 18th, 2010 11:52 am
    130. Susan on March 18th, 2010 4:42 pm

      Pennsylvania couple think they may have found Natalee Holloway’s skeleton
      By The Birmingham News
      March 18, 2010, 11:01AM

      The Birmingham News

      A Pennsylvania couple who went snorkeling on a vacation to Aruba have discovered among their photographs what appears to be the image of a skeleton on the ocean floor. The husband, John Muldowney, says he’s got a gut feeling it could be the body of Natalee Holloway from Mountain Brook, reports the Lancaster (Pa.) Intelligencer Journal.

      Muldowney says he’s taken copies of the photo to the FBI and local police. He’s also sent a copy to her father, he told the newspaper. Muldowney says he’s had little success getting answers from the FBI and no response from her father.

      Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a graduation trip to Aruba. No one has been charged in her disappearance although an island youth, Joran van der Sloot has been considered a major suspect and the made statements considered potentially incriminating.

    131. Susan on March 18th, 2010 4:46 pm

      # 129 – Yes, I saw it this morning and about messed my breeches! I emailed the story to Red while taking a break this morning…

    132. Babyfacemagee on March 18th, 2010 7:16 pm

      Here it is on fox news.

      I hope they nail that f*cker van der scum.

    133. Babyfacemagee on March 19th, 2010 9:27 am

      This site used to be a really great place to discuss not only hte Holloway story but other crimes…but over the last few years it’s become just another Rush Limbaugh/Fox News parroting political blog. It’s like it’s been taken over by the ghost of Carl Rove or something. Ok, I get it. You HATE Obama. Frankly everything I see written on this site these days is ripped directly off of the drudgereport or Rush’s show. You need to get back to what you started as or the site is just gonna go down the toiled. Go back to writing about crime and forget the political stuff. You can’t be both and you’ve lost loyal readers like me as a result.

    134. Janelle on March 19th, 2010 9:29 am
    135. Janelle on March 19th, 2010 9:53 am
    136. bum on March 19th, 2010 3:37 pm

      you hit the nail on the head, #133!

    137. anne on March 19th, 2010 5:54 pm

      It’s been a few years since I’ve posted, but I have not stopped following the Natalee Holloway case.

      Two questions: 1) Has Scared Monkeys abandoned the Natalee Holloway story? I found the story about the dive photo of possible skeletal remains in the MSM and still can’t locate it on Scared Monkeys. 2) The couple took this photo in October. It’s now going on six months later. What’s the hold up in checking this out? Six months!

    138. glad2beAmerican on March 20th, 2010 12:25 am

      It has been a long time since I posted on here, so Thank You Susan for getting this possibly new Natalee Holloway information to Red. I hope this could be the evidence to put that monster, Joran away & the Holloway’s get some closure. Perfect opportunity with Joran’s father, Paulus passed away, to prove Joran GUILTY NO MORE protection!!!

    139. Mike Falconi on March 26th, 2010 11:42 am

      Haha haven’t checked here for a while… hilarious stuff… Susan you keep running your mouth but you have already been discredited!!! You keep saying stuff that just ain’t true, I will pull up a few statistics for you to challenge your statements.
      Aruba unemployment rate: 2.7%
      U.S. unemployment rate: 9.6%
      Aruba countrywide renewable energy use: 25%
      U.S. countrywide renewable energy use: 7%
      That’s quite an accomplishment for Aruba especially since the development of countries are now being measured by their percentage of renewable energy use.
      Drug infested? Barely any drugs in Aruba, most is just passing through to other countries or being used by tourists.
      Lawless? No way, Dutch and Aruban laws are extremely well made and are completely separated from politics unlike in the US where supreme court justices are appointed by Presidents.

      Also Red, you have stated that you have lived in Aruba? I would like to confirm this statement please send me proof of immigration and your stay in Aruba(pictures would help) to my e-mail:
      If you do not send me anything I will go ahead and state in my essay that you have never been to Aruba.
      Thank you for your cooperation.

    140. Mike Falconi on March 26th, 2010 11:46 am

      Sorry, the U.S. unemployment rate I stated before is 2 months old. The current U.S unemployment rate is at 10.4%

    141. Sharon/Tx on March 28th, 2010 5:32 am

      Gary, are the buckets still at De Palm? Are you speculating or do you possibly know something. I apologize if you are real and would really like to talk to you. If I snorkel De Palm Beach area, am I close? Can we talk? Do you know someone that knows something or that can help down there? Do you know any of the lighthouse workers? Like Blonde asked, what did they wrap her in when you say they buried her by the house. Give me another clue, please. Red can give you my email address if you do not want to talk here. I’m sorry if I was rude Gary. 5 years is enough.

    142. Susan on March 28th, 2010 8:48 am

      139 – Mike Falconi

      It’s IMPOSSIBLE to compare Aruba’s unemployment rate or any other statistic with the US when we have a population of over 300,000,000 people versus 100,000 SAVAGES currently living on the drug infested, lawless, poverty stricken third world isle of Aruba :-)

      Who are you to discredit me or anyone else? HINT, NOBODY! The ONLY ACCOMPLISHMENT Aruba has made in the past five years is giving itself one BLACK EYE after another, damaging their own economy by protecting the van der Slut’s and not giving Natalee the JUSTICE she deserves!!

      You are blind as a bat or merely turning a blind eye to the criminal activity and corruption on Aruba… YOU ARE AN IDIOT ;-)

    143. Mike Falconi on March 28th, 2010 10:32 am

      Come on Susan, can you at least give me a worthy discussion!? You haven’t been able to state even one proven fact/statistic/argument. I mean, you’re not getting anywhere just by saying profanities, I hope you’re not doing the same cursing in front of your children so please be more polite?
      I just proved all your statements wrong including “drug infested, lawless, poverty stricken” and yet you still feel the need to state them again even if they are incorrect. It just proves the fact that no matter what, you only want to hurt innocent people.
      So tell me Susan, you have something against people that are poverty-stricken? Just because somebody was born in a poor family that makes them an animal? You seem to think it’s funny to laugh about poor people don’t you? There are are over 3.4 million homeless people in the USA, why don’t you go help them out instead of making fun of them? Susan, you are a cruel person and I wish you had more sympathy towards other humans. You have obviously never been to Aruba before, I’m inviting you to come over and to see the real side of Aruba and how good these people are to each other, I will even let you stay in my guest-house if you need to.

      And Red, I have still not received any e-mail from you. I’m still waiting for your confirmation that you have lived in Aruba and your connection to this website. If I don’t receive anything by Wednesday 31th March we will have to label this website for being engaged into foul-play.

    144. Susan on March 28th, 2010 12:20 pm

      143 – Mikey, Mikey, Mikey…

      Like I said, you are obviously an idiot, blind sided by God only knows what!! It must be in that NASTY water you drink down there in Aruba :-( I’m not here to argue with you or anyone else. FACTS ARE FACTS, which I’ve clearly stated from the very beginning!!

      I have not spoken any profanities to you, so WTF are you talking about…lol??? Do you know the meaning of the word “polite”?

      It is a KNOWN FACT there is a MAJOR DRUG PROBLEM in Aruba, just like anywhere else in the world, but the SUBJECT HERE IS ARUBA. Why deny it?

      It is a KNOWN FACT that crimes are committed in Aruba daily, especially against unsuspecting, innocent tourists, just like anywhere else in the world, but the SUBJECT HERE IS ARUBA!! Why deny it?

      I lived in Germany and know how laws differ, especially internationally. If you get in trouble outside of your own country, in many cases you can hang it up…you are at the mercy of the host country.

      ALE has done everything in it’s POWER to protect the van der Slut’s!! ALE has NEVER done anything to give Natalee the JUSTICE she deserves and to bring her family closure. Can you explain that???
      Nevermind, please don’t answer, coz I know you can’t give me a logical explanation, basically on any subject matter…

      I have nothing against poor people. I was not born with a “silver spoon” in my mouth and have never consider myself any better than anyone else, no matter what their socio-economic status may be.

      I’m not cruel, I just speak my mind and call it as I see it :-) I’ve been an advocate for the unborn child for many years and recently (in the past 5 years) became more involved in missing children cases, etc.

      No thanks on your invitation to visit the poverty stricken, lawless, drug infested, third world Dutch protectorate of Aruba!! There’s no way in hell I’d be caught dead there!!



    145. Susan on March 28th, 2010 12:41 pm

      And by the way, Mikey, speaking of “hurting innocent people”, LOOK AT WHAT ALE HAS DONE TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FAMILY and the innocent people of Aruba (if there is any such thing)!! The innocent people of Aruba have brought all of this upon themselves by NOT STANDING UP against the CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND ALE, DEMANDING JUSTICE BE SERVED FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    146. Susan on March 28th, 2010 12:42 pm

      BITE ME, ARUBA!!!!!!!!!!

    147. Mike Falconi on March 28th, 2010 1:48 pm

      -I’m quoting World Health Organization here:
      “Aruba’s water is one of the best in the world; chemical and bacteriological tests are performed monthly at 20 sites on the island to ensure water quality”
      -In fact, the water quality is so great that they even tapped it directly into bottled water for export and has even achieved a award from Monde-Selection.
      So your statement that it must be the water is incorrect.
      Facts are not facts unless you can back it up, which you are unable to do so here again you are incorrect.
      Drugs are not a problem in Aruba, yes it is available if you search for it really hard, but least there are not massacres like what is happening now on the borders of USA and Mexico.
      Crimes are not being committed daily on Aruba, once a while they do happen but I honestly feel way safer here than I have ever felt anywhere else on the world. I have lived here for 13 years and not once have I been mugged.
      And yes, Germany is a great country. I have lived there a few years also.

      So you are saying you have never been to Aruba? Basically you’re saying all the information you got was from Foxnews and CNN?
      Anyways, you have never been to Aruba so you don’t know what you’re talking about unless you come over here.
      I am done discussing with you because you are not able to discuss like a decent human and you can’t back up any of your ridiculous statements. You can’t even argument well.
      Ohh and stop shouting profanity and please be more polite, especially in front of your children ok?

    148. Susan on March 28th, 2010 5:02 pm

      But Mikey, can Aruba exist on exported (probably tainted with drugs) bottle water alone?!?!? Who gives a rat’s arse anyway?

      You are such a dope ;-) I back my statements up with “facts”. You can’t even say “Natalee Holloway’s name” or address any issues related to the case.

      Illegal sales and use of DRUGS is a fact in Aruba. Who are trying to fool, other than yourself? You are in a constant state of “denial” if you believe the BS coming out of your own pea brain! From first hand accounts, drugs are readily available on every street corner in Aruba, nightclubs, etc..

      You are also in “denial” about crime in Aruba not being a problem. Evidently it is!! A VIOLENT CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST AN 18 YEAR OLD AMERICAN FEMALE ON THE NIGHT OF MAY 30TH, 2005, BY THE NAME OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!!!! REMEMBER HER???

      I never said Germany is a great country…lol.

      Like I’ve said, I wouldn’t step foot or be caught dead on the poverty stricken, drug infested, lawless, third world Dutch protectorate of Aruba, where anything goes, especially if your last name is van der Slut.

      Talking about hilarious…you are saying I’m unable to discuss a topic like a “decent human”??? Please take a good long, hard look in the mirror ;-)

      Bye, bye Mikey! Don’t let the screen door hit ya on the way out…lmao.

    149. Sharon/Tx on March 29th, 2010 4:40 am

      Bottom line Mike….. lots could have been uncovered those first ten days that nothing was done. If Natalee were your daughter, you’d be ringing a different bell. Who do you think you are to ask Red for Immigration papers, etc.? Who would send some nut on the internet their personal information, passport or immigration records?

    150. Sharon/Tx on March 29th, 2010 4:42 am

      “You can’t even argument well.” <~~Mike’s quote.

      and by the way……. where the heck are you from?! Papers please! LOL

    151. Raejean on June 3rd, 2010 9:50 pm

      The former attorney needs to keep his mouth shut, period, against having a premature opinion about this, and citing “reports” as if they were some sort of tainted official record.

      As for me, I think it would be mind-boggling coincidence to have this man’s name come up with a peri-mortem connection to not just one but TWO dead girls, sharing a macabre anniversary of sorts. The spin about targeting him is BS. We aren’t talking about dragging him in off the street as a likely suspect; we’re talking about a likely suspect because there IS (at minimum) the hotel room connection.

      I hope Peru can make the case, for the sake of both girls and their families; unfortunately, I think it will wind up being a plea bargaining if he’s truly involved in both.

    152. paulus on June 7th, 2010 1:57 pm

      do they have plea bargaining in Peru?!

    153. not forgotten on July 10th, 2010 11:24 am

      Thank you for your reminder of the issue of human trafficking. I live in a US city where it was kept silent, but flourished.
      My focus is prevention. I hope these situations will help us to formulate an awareness that incorporates prevention.
      No girl/woman asks or deserves to be made a victim; it is never the victims fault, it is always the perpetrators fault. As they are predators it can sometimes be very difficult to avoid their traps, but I really hope people come to the realization that this is a big problem in societies all over the world and girls need to be educated on the mentality, motivations, goals, practices and processes of predators so that they can learn how to stay safe. Anyone at anytime can fall victim, but society often denies, hides, corrupts. How many lives can be saved, how many dollars if we were to dig out the dirty little secrets of female victimization, trafficking and promote and teach prevention. Getting this severe sociopath out of society is paramount but we must also reveal and address the mechanisms of victimization, EDUCATE young woman,society, parents, caretakers, and admit to a reality that most of us just can’t understand, comprehend as a part of the world we live in. Then we can protect and prevent. The cost is too great, to not address prevention. The key is to unmask the monster, know it for what it is and to educate. Promote prevention in your community. Don’t let the dirty little secrets remain hidden; we all suffer for it.

      Aruba is no paradise, but a hell.

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