Obama to Speak at Notre Dame Commencement Ceremony … Pro-Abortion President at Catholic University?

 

DISGRACE: Principles have to count for something and without being maintained, we are nothing. How does an academic institution founded on religious princliples turn their back on everything that they stand for just for one man? Just a reminder to Notre Dame Administration, Notre Dame, means “Our Lady

Blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay you with praise and thanks for having rescued a fallen world by your generous consent! Receive our gratitude, and by your prayers obtain the pardon of our sins. Take our prayers into the sanctuary of heaven and enable them to make our peace with God.

Holy Mary, help the miserable, strengthen the discouraged, comfort the sorrowful, pray for your people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God. May all who venerate you feel now your help and protection. Be ready to help us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it your continual concern to pray for the people of God, for you were blessed by God and were made worthy to bear the Redeemer of the world, who lives and reigns forever. Amen.

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What would Jesus say about the sanctity of life?

The last time I checked the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, IN was a private, Catholic University that had not accepted and federal Barack Obama bailout money. The last time I also checked the Catholic Church was against abortion and murder. So how does Barack Obama, one of the most radical, liberal, pro-abortion President ever to grace the White House who supports abortion. get asked to speak at the ND Commencement Ceremony? The president of the University of Notre Dame, Father John Jenkins, has just given another reason for people to hate Notre Dame and destroy it in the process.

From the Notre Dame website on Faith and Service.

From its earliest days, Notre Dame’s distinctive mission has set it apart from other institutions of higher education. The difference lies not so much in terms of subject matter and academic disciplines as in the perception of how those disciplines ought to serve God and humanity. At the very heart of Notre Dame’s mission is its profound faith heritage and aspiration to be at the center of Catholic intellectual life—to be a bellwether institution in the pursuit of truth and knowledge, while remaining guided and elevated by the moral imperatives of the Catholic faith.

So much for that pesky 6th Commandment of Thou Shall Not Kill

Since it was announced that Obama would speak there has been a backlash at Notre Dame. It makes no difference whether Obama won some idiotic mock election at ND or whether he won the Presidency as to why he is allowed to speck at graduation. Does Obama adhere to the protection of life policy espoused by the Catholic Church? The answer is no.

In today’s edition of the student newspaper, The Observer, letters to the editor, which are usually reserved for debates over the color of The Shirt or whether it’s proper to chant “Sucks” at sporting events — was expanded to cover a lively debate over whether Obama should be speaking. 

“Obama choice unacceptable,” read one headline, and “Obama a disgrace” shouted another.

Sadly, The University of Notre Dame is sticking with its invitation to President Obama to speak at its May 17 commencement despite criticism. It is just another example of how liberals have taken over Academia and the Church. Maybe the ND Alumni needs to make some calls and withdraw their donations.

A website has been set up to stop this scandal … www.notredamescandal.com



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  • Comments

    49 Responses to “Obama to Speak at Notre Dame Commencement Ceremony … Pro-Abortion President at Catholic University?”

    1. yoyo muffintop on March 24th, 2009 11:05 am

      The Catholic Church is against divorce but Ronald Reagan spoke. The Catholic Church is against the death penalty but G.W.Bush spoke (Bush dissented from Church teachings on poverty, economics, social justice, and the death penalty).
      Seems like some folks just dislike President Obama for partisan reasons and are using the faith as a tool for their agenda.

      ND should concentrate more on football – The USC Trojans have whooped them the last 7 years. This year it will make 8…but who’s counting :)
      Fight On!

    2. super dave on March 24th, 2009 11:25 am

      want to bet on the number of teleprompters being used on this ? his lips will be moving folks but the truth is nowhere to be found.

    3. caesu on March 24th, 2009 12:42 pm

      calling someone ‘pro-abortion’ is really misleading.
      it’s the same as calling someone pro-war.

      pro-choice is more precise.

      and killing embryos? this is about stem cell research i guess.
      these are deep-FROZEN zygotes.
      they are not alive.

      and of course he can speak there.
      he is the elected President.

      all of this is same old boring recycled fake outrage.
      these so called christian conservatives better think of a new strategy, because this fake outrage didn’t catch on and is never going to catch on.

    4. Kenny on March 24th, 2009 1:08 pm

      Agreed Muffin Top.
      This is a guy gearing America out of oblivion. It could be any democrat and people would complain because most ND students are products of Republican parents. To whoever is complaining, I hope you have a friend or family member that gets knocked up after a rape. Then tell me how necessary abortion is.

    5. buster on March 24th, 2009 1:23 pm

      To bad obonos mother didn’t have an abortion !!! Then we would not be in the mess we are in now

    6. super dave on March 24th, 2009 3:00 pm

      OBAMA IS A PRESIDENT ?? WOW ! WHERE ?

    7. Rusty Bridges on March 24th, 2009 3:12 pm

      Wow Kenny, I guess they could hope you get raped too.

    8. Carpe on March 24th, 2009 3:50 pm

      Bush was Coca-Cola.

      Obama is Pepsi.

      …but we will always get soda.

      While we watch the puppet show, the machine
      continues on behind the black budget curtain.
      It has been going on for centuries. It is the
      only way to get things done efficiently.

      Absolutely no one will ever stop the wheels from turning. Not even Presidents stand in the way, or they will be rendered obsolete.

      The only exception was William Henry Harrison.

      That dickhead forgot to wear a hat in very cold weather and died as soon as he got into office.

      Always remember, your mother can be a pain in the ass… but she has been around awhile and she does know some things! Stop rolling your eyes
      and just put on the damn hat.

    9. super dave on March 24th, 2009 4:11 pm

      gearing us out of oblivion into bankruptcy, socialism, government control, gun control,poverty.
      don’t know about you kenny, but i don’t need to be led into this, you can have it all.

    10. buster on March 24th, 2009 4:11 pm

      Rape ??? Is that what obongo is doing to us ???

    11. super dave on March 24th, 2009 4:21 pm

      abortion here is bad enough, but when our tax dollars are paying for abortions outside the country, it’s downright ridiculous. sterilize these people so they can quit having babies.

    12. Chuck on March 24th, 2009 6:33 pm

      The alumni are going to kick arse over this. Heads *will* roll at ND.

    13. Brian M. on March 24th, 2009 8:44 pm

      Bush destroyed the USA in 8 years and you think Obama can clean it up in only 2 months?

      Give the man a chance.

      It’s obvious you are republican first, and an American second.

      /voted for Bush in ‘04 and now regretting it

    14. Carpe on March 24th, 2009 9:27 pm

      President Barack Obama’s 3.55-trillion-dollar budget plan will leave the United States with a worse budget deficit than Cuba, a leading Republican critic warned Tuesday.

      “This creates for us a higher deficit than Cuba’s. This is not the kind of position we want to put the United States in,” Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters.

      Other Republican critics of Obama’s spending policies, including his nearly 800-billion-dollar economic stimulus package, have variously warned that he risks turning the country into Argentina, France, Germany, or Zimbabwe.

      Asked for the figures underpinning the charge, a McConnell aide pointed to a report from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office that warned the US budget deficit for fiscal year 2009, ending September 30, would swell to 13.1 percent of Gross Domestic Product.

      Cuba’s deficit in 2008 was 4.1 percent of GDP using the official exchange rate, or 1.57 percent using another measure of total national output, according to the CIA.

      According to official Cuban government figures, Cuba’s projected deficit in 2009 will run to 5.6 percent of GDP, less than the 6.7 percent it reached in 2008.

      AFP

      I guess Obama’s got to kill it to save it?

    15. buster on March 24th, 2009 10:43 pm

      It is every muslim’s dream to bring down the Unite States, Well obongos living that dream !!!

    16. Carpe on March 24th, 2009 10:50 pm

      CHANGE YOU CAN’T BELIEVE IN -

      The U.S. Constitution:

      “It’s just a g.d. piece of paper.” – GW Bush

      “The fibrous papyrus upon which the Laws of the Land are uhhhhhhh… written, I find extremely suitable for hiney wiping.” – Barak Obama

    17. rightknight on March 24th, 2009 10:50 pm

      Perhaps Notre Dame elders feel having a flash-in-the-pan
      community rabble rouser turned President of the United
      States speak at their commencement ceremony is some
      kind of feather in the cap square filler. After all, Barry
      must have SOME redeeming characteristics worthy of
      transmittal to the graduating class. There is more to
      Obama than just government condoned abortion and
      fiscal responsibility! He is much more than just another
      pretty face.

    18. Pat in Alabama on March 24th, 2009 11:55 pm

      Kenny “To whoever is complaining, I hope you have a friend or family member that gets knocked up after a rape.”

      Yep, it looks like our country IS changing…

    19. Port Valerie on March 25th, 2009 12:05 am

      I grew up in South Bend. Many family members graduated from ND. I’m appalled at this choice of a commencement speaker.

      If values don’t count, then nothing counts. ND is oh-so obviously pandering to the celebrity of the day. ND stands for nothing.

      Universities and churches should address presidents and other politicians, not the other way around. If a president is going to speak at a university, it should be in a venue that allows questions and confrontations. But wait … that would be like a press conference, and nobody gives him tough questions there, either.

      Toothy Wonder has been in the job for about two months. Let’s see how he does before we honor him for his performance.

      ND has been deceived by thinking it has to be relevant and spectacular.

      Billy Graham speaks with presidents privately — a much better example.

    20. Our Paul on March 25th, 2009 12:26 am

      This will come as shock to many, the Commencement Speaker at Notre Dame is chosen with strong student input. President Obama would never have been chosen unless he was on the top of the list of potential speakers chosen by the students. The University has always felt that in the caldron of controversy knowledge and understanding will emerge. Rote bowing and beating of the breast to Rome was never this University strong suite.

      That such an education was not afforded to buster (March 24th, 2009 1:23 pm) is apparent. His comment leaves the educated mind numb, and clearly points to a sickness of thought that afflicts all those who mix theology and ideology into a Credo.

      Meanwhile, super dave after a series of one liners, steps up to the plate and shows his total ignorance (super dave on March 24th, 2009 4:21 pm). Check it out Dave, my lad.

      There is a direct Congressional prohibition of using U.S. aid money for abortions. What Bush implemented by executive order (not in the Congressional mandate) was that any Agency that had an abortion program could not receive US Aid Funds, even if these funds were not used for abortion, but for other purposes.

      And so Dave, my good man, any clinic, in any land, which provided a whole gamut of medical services, under the Bush directive, could not receive any Aid money if they provided abortion services. The Obama directive just returned the table to what it was: US dollars can not be used for abortion, but can be used for other pressing medical needs.

      Take comfort Dave, our host, Scared Monkeys is selling the same ignorant line. And as an authority he sends us to Gateway Pundit via his primary link. That is not a case of the blind leading the blind, it is a case of a fool leading a tool…

      Bah, Humbug, I do not mind folks giving up their gonads to Rome, but giving up their minds, their intellects to a Miter Hat is a tad bit too much. It just goes to show that Maybe Chuck Carlson, of Nixon fame, may have been right!!!

    21. Scared Monkeys on March 25th, 2009 6:31 am

      #20

      In typical liberal fashion your answer is to insult people as you are obviously far more superior than we mortals.

      So much for actially dealing with the issue. Let me guess … you are not Catholic. Hell, one wonders when the last time you might have actually set foot in a church.

      The fact of the matter is that ND is a Catholic University, PERIOD! I highly doubt that they would have an abortion dr as a key note speaker to a graduation.

      Their comes a point where one must stand by a founding, core principle.

    22. Scared Monkeys on March 25th, 2009 6:34 am

      Actually we sent you to the Notre Dame web page:

      From its earliest days, Notre Dame’s distinctive mission has set it apart from other institutions of higher education. The difference lies not so much in terms of subject matter and academic disciplines as in the perception of how those disciplines ought to serve God and humanity. At the very heart of Notre Dame’s mission is its profound faith heritage and aspiration to be at the center of Catholic intellectual life—to be a bellwether institution in the pursuit of truth and knowledge, while remaining guided and elevated by the moral imperatives of the Catholic faith.

      Sorry if the libs do not like the facts that Obama spends tax payer $’s on foreign abortions.

      Having Obama speak at a Catholic University commencement ceremony makes about as much sense of Anne Coulter giving the commencement speak at Berkley. Or better yet, Rush Limbaugh. Can anyone really see that happening?

      R

    23. super dave on March 25th, 2009 7:10 am

      our paul obama ? hypnotized with very little effort from his daddy obama. weak minds are easily swayed . come on paul, i’m waiting for you to copy yoyo and call me a racist or some other racial name. you can’t stand it when (your boy) barry gets cornered and has no teleprompter. did you see him stutter and grasp for a quick answer to the bailout question ? “i like to know what i’m talking about” is not an answer, it is a lie.

    24. PA Mom on March 25th, 2009 7:14 am

      I am a Catholic and pro life. I would be one of those who would write in protest of this. When we use the words pro choice, we actually take away all choice for the man. The babies body does not belong to the mother or the father. God lends us our children to love and guide. They are not our possessions. We as parents do our best to raise our children with love. If we should happen to be bearing an unwanted child, we have the CHOICE of adoption. Parents that cannot have a child now have the opportunity to be parents. It’s a win win situation. I will pray for the leaders of Notre Dame that they will rethink this decision. Barack Obama has waged an all out war on the unborn.

    25. super dave on March 25th, 2009 7:14 am

      i’m not worried PAUL ! my comfort will be when (your boy) is forced from office and takes the likes of you back to his homeland. of course he has several homelands to choose from.
      the US is not one of them thank God.

    26. Scared Monkeys on March 25th, 2009 7:40 am

      #1

      Yea, that’s exactly what liberal educators hope people focus on.

      ND should focus on their core fundamental beliefs.

    27. buster on March 25th, 2009 9:14 am

      My day is ruined !!! “our Paul” hurt my feelings and called me uneducated :-( I will make sure that when I go to sleep tonight I will say a prayer to “our paul”
      Hey “our paul” get a life !!! you are so full of yourself it makes me want to puke !!!
      “our paul” I am sorry I just realized you must be from aruba

    28. super dave on March 25th, 2009 11:09 am

      barry tries to feign civility but he is as easy to read as a child’s book.

    29. artgal16 on March 25th, 2009 11:17 am

      So the President of the United States, is not President for Catholics – is that it? As he has a different opinion on what some, but not all, Catholics have regarding abortion, therefore he shouldnt be allowed to speak. My, my, little Nazis that you are, because if you feel this way you are not Americans. You have an allegiance first and foremost to the President of the United States and this country. You can have differing opinions and march and speak about them all you want. But to object to the President of the U.S. speaking at any university in this country is downright wrong. Catholics
      or Fascists?

    30. super dave on March 25th, 2009 12:01 pm

      we have the right to criticize whomever we please just as the democrats have criticized the republicans. this is a free country (as of right now). maybe not much longer with barry in charge.
      czech pm says obama’s economy plan is the road to hell !!

    31. buster on March 25th, 2009 1:13 pm

      czech pm says obama’s economy plan is the road to hell !!
      Just like everything else obongo does

    32. Our Paul on March 25th, 2009 2:13 pm

      To our host,Scared Monkeys, super dave, and others, I would recommend perusal of Paul Graham’s essay on How to Disagree. My comments were directed at:

      (1) How commencement speakers are chosen at the University of Notre Dame, which in a blog posting is considered a point of information. Neither our host, nor any participant has challenged my assertion that students are a factor in choosing he Commencement Speaker (as are specially chosen faculty committees).

      (2) Directed to buster whose comment about Obama is not in good taste, fails to advance the discussion, and points to a mind that is consumed by ideological or theological driven hate. I am patiently waiting for somebody, anybody, to defend buster’s post.

      (3) Pointing out a major error in both our host and Dave’s statements that Obama’s executive order freed tax payer dollars to be directed towards abortions. This is an incorrect statement, and I challenge anybody to demonstrate to me that Oboma’s Executive order circumvented the Congressional prohibition that US Aid dollars can be used to perform abortions.

      I will be the first to admit that I have difficulty in toeing the line that Paul Graham has advanced, but I do give it a try. Let me close by addressing our host, who appears concerned about my soul.

      I was Baptized by a R.C. priest, Confirmed by a RC Bishop, and graduated from Notre Dame in the class of ’59. That is presented for informational purposes as it seems I am the only ND graduate commenting on our hosts condemnation of the University. I will not reveal when was the last time I went to Church as I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest as who is the most moral, or the most holy, or goes to Church more often.

      The central issue remains: What is the function of a Catholic University? My view, it is to expand the mind, to confront and examine controversy, to give a student the tools to logically dissect a problem that involves principles of faith on one hand, and a functioning multicultural democracy on the other. Central to such an educational process is self criticism – where am I wrong in fact, where and how is my logic failing.

      Scared Monkeys has a different take on the function of a Catholic University. It should function as a junior seminary whose prime function is too ensure the teaching of Catholic orthodoxy. He is entitled to that opinion, he is not entitled to claim that Barack Obama passed in his first 50 days the funding of foreign abortions with your tax dollars. That unfortunately is simply not true, Congressional prohibition of US Aid moneys directly used to support abortion services is still in place.

      But hey mon, if you think inviting Obama was scandalous, thank your stars that Homeland Security was guarding your Christian knickers when it blocked Tarik Ramadan from joining the faculty at the University of Notre Dame. Just think of it, a Muslim scholar, in residence, at the premier Catholic University in America. Gasp, the horrors of the thought!!!

      What next, student production of the Vagina Monologues? No, I ain’t going to do your work for you, go to Google, you might learn something.

      Will somebody, anybody, please point out to buster that when he states To bad obonos mother didn’t have an abortion !!! Then we would not be in the mess we are in now it is the obvious product of a highly educated mind and that it brilliantly advanced the discussion in this thread. I am in enough trouble with the Almighty without having this luminary pray for me!

    33. Port Valerie on March 25th, 2009 11:44 pm

      Our Paul asks:

      “The central issue remains: What is the function of a Catholic University? My view, it is to expand the mind, to confront and examine controversy, to give a student the tools to logically dissect a problem that involves principles of faith on one hand, and a functioning multicultural democracy on the other. Central to such an educational process is self criticism – where am I wrong in fact, where and how is my logic failing.”

      Answer:

      Your logic is failing when you presume that a commencement ceremony is an educational exercise that will give students tools to analyze problems.

      In fact, a commencement speech is a one-way bloviation that undergoes no critical review whatsoever. Students do not go back to the classroom afterwards to analyze and assess what the speaker said.

      Rather, the choice of a commencement speaker is a statement of the university’s ultimate core values. It says that we choose this person to give you the final going-away message, to sum up all that you have learned in your years at ND. The commencement address sets the speaker up as a model for students to follow. Back in your day, didn’t they honor Dr. Tom Dooley? I seem to recall something like that.

      The choice of Obama is a mistake. His core values are flawed. There’s nothing there for young people to follow, only an example of political manipulation and savvy.

      The defense that ND offers — in the press release they issued — only makes the matter worse. They simply list all the other presidents who have spoken at their graduation ceremonies. Talk about flawed logic — “we did this before so it must be right to do it again” is what they’re saying.

      A deeper flaw in your logic is your presumption that problems can be logically dissected to accommodate differences between principles of faith, on one hand, and elements of a multicultural democracy on the other hand. Sometimes compromise and accommodation are not possible and it is necessary to take a stand. In such cases, it makes a huge difference whether you go with your principles of faith or with what the multicultural democracy applauds at the moment.

      I am deeply disappointed in Notre Dame. Thank goodness we still have some strong Jesuit colleges.

    34. Port Valerie on March 26th, 2009 1:05 am

      Yes, here it is, Our Paul — ND in your day (the year after your year, to be precise)honored a true humanitarian at its commencement ceremony alongside the grandees. Maybe this year we can hope they will seat Obama next to someone who has actually accomplished some good work in this world. (Later on, JFK cited Dr. Dooley’s work as the inspiration and model for the Peace Corps.)

      From:

      Dr. America: The Lives of Thomas A. Dooley, 1927-1961, by James T. Fisher, University of Massachusetts Press, 1997, 304 pages

      “Practically everybody in my generation has a Tom Dooley anecdote. My brother-in-law, for example, told me that his decision to become a physician “was greatly influenced” by the Jungle Doctor. “Whatever happened to him,” he added, alluding to that brief period (1955-1960) when Dooley became a legend in a corner of the world known as Southeast Asia, and then seemed to disappear.

      “On June 5, 1960, Dr. Tom Dooley received an honorary doctorate from the University of Notre Dame, upstaging such eminences on the podium as Giovanni Cardinal Montini, Archbishop of Milan (three years away from becoming Pope Paul VI), and President Dwight D. Eisenhower. “Where’s Tom Dooley,” said Eisenhower to Theodore Hesburgh, President of Notre Dame, “I want to talk to him.” They did talk. All through lunch Dooley told Eisenhower about his MEDICO operation in Laos. Six months later, on January 18, 1961, he would die in a hospital bed in New York City, the victim of cancer.”

    35. Carpe on March 26th, 2009 1:21 am

      If Bama’s daddy just rolled with the plan that his mother had laid out for him, there would have been no need for any of that.

      She had him picked out a pretty little number
      already, with a ring in her nose, dirt in her
      crack, and two of the cutest little hangin’
      bananas you have ever done-did laid your
      eyes upon.

      She could cut a rug just like she had ants in her drawers. A real beauty!

      BUT WOULD HE LISTEN? Noooooooooooo.

      He thought he was in the movie “Shaft”
      meets a 70′s Irish Spring commercial.

      He went all Kenyan Irish pimp on that bum…

      and HE LIKED IT TOOOOOOOOOO!!! Clean as a whistle.

      Now that WAS an Overseas Contingency Operation.

    36. Dolf on March 26th, 2009 10:13 am

      Classy Carpe

      shall we badmouth your parents as well

    37. super dave on March 26th, 2009 4:42 pm

      seems that several student bodies did not want barry boy to speak at ND.

    38. Carpe on March 26th, 2009 11:54 pm

      LOL

      I could care less, Dolf. I have a sense of humor.

      Who is this “we” that you speak of? Do you blog

      with a frog in your pocket?

    39. Dolf on March 27th, 2009 2:54 am

      that is not a frog, we are just happy to see you.

      (slightly schizo)

      and sense of humor, I have seen better posts of you where you didn’t insult ppl who have nothing to do with this.
      and yes, sometimes you make me smile

    40. Our Paul on March 27th, 2009 9:20 am

      A few thoughts on Port Valerie (March 25th, 2009 11:44 pm) brisk and elegant written commentary. Thus:

      The choice of Obama is a mistake. His core values are flawed. There’s nothing there for young people to follow, only an example of political manipulation and savvy. (My italics, OP)

      This speaks of a degree of antipathy that neither facts, introspection, or study will ameliorate. It is clear that Port Valerie has neither read his two published books, nor studied the trajectory of his political life. Allow me to continue:

      A deeper flaw in your logic is your presumption that problems can be logically dissected to accommodate differences between principles of faith, on one hand, and elements of a multicultural democracy on the other hand.

      It is not only I that made that kind of determination, but if we can trust exit polls, about 55% of Catholics voted for Barak Obama. Perhaps the most prominent of these was Douglas Kmiec, a conservative Catholic law professor who dissected the problem in a book and in an interview in the New York Times. The Times article is brief, and worth your perusal. These two excerpts may wet your intellectual curiosity:

      In my view, Obama and Biden seek to fulfill the call by Pope John Paul II, in the encyclical “Evangelium Vitae,” to “ensure proper support for families and motherhood.” It cannot possibly contravene Catholic doctrine to improve the respect for life by paying better attention to the social and economic conditions of women which correlate strongly with the number of abortions.

      There are clearly partisan forces that want nothing more than to manufacture or stir up faith-based opposition to their political opponents. The church has been careful to underscore that Catholics have unfettered latitude to vote for any candidate so long as the intent of the Catholic voter is not to express approval of a grave evil.

      Kmiec points to what every educated Catholic voter knows, by making abortion a litmus test, by falsely tarring Obama with this brush, conservative ideologs can obscure policies that are profoundly anti family, and anti women’s health…

    41. Dolf on March 27th, 2009 9:57 am

      Roman Catholic Church

      child raping, money stealing, corrupt.

      and massmurderes (with his condoms are bad m’kay)

    42. Port Valerie on March 27th, 2009 10:15 pm

      Our Paul, we are going to have to agree to disagree. You say:

      “It cannot possibly contravene Catholic doctrine to improve the respect for life by paying better attention to the social and economic conditions of women which correlate strongly with the number of abortions.”

      I sincerely hope this is not true, that the social and economic conditions of women correlate strongly with the number of abortions. I hope, rather, that conditions improve for women when they get good educations and train themselves for successful careers in fields that interest them — not when they kill their babies so as not to be bothered with them.

      And even if you do have numbers showing a correlation between the number of abortions and economic status, you may be falling into yet another logical gap: post hoc ergo propter hoc. (After that, therefore BECAUSE of that.)

      Do women’s conditions improve BECAUSE they have so many abortions? Or is it simply the case that economically advantaged women have more abortions, because they can afford to?

      No, I have not read Obama’s books. I’m sure they were prepared by a PR firm.

    43. Our Paul on March 29th, 2009 10:14 am

      Quite right Port Valerie, we can agree to disagree. But maybe we can find common ground in a discussion about abortion.

      In regards to reasons why women have abortions, which you raised in your previous post, perhaps the best survey data is from the Guttmacher Institute. They review not only their own survey data, but other studies that are in the literature. (This is not a trivial link, my advice is to bring it up by clicking on my blue link, then copying the link to your desk top for reading at your leisure.) Their estimate is that about 30% of pregnancies are terminated because of economic reasons.

      There is a ton of data out there on reasons for abortion, including inter nation comparison. There is no argument that availability of
      “family friendly” social programs (day care, post partum parental leave, financial aid etc) decrease the incidence of abortion. Equally as important are medical and social services that trigger in when a pregnancy occurs. The paucity of such services in our country is emphasized by the high fetal mortality rate in the US when compared to the industrialized European countries. You may wish to view such arguments as post hoc ergo propter hoc but as they say in The Bronx, where I spent my formative years, you get what you paid for….

      After your previous ode to the “strong Jesuit colleges” I must confess to you that I am also a graduate of Georgetown Medical School (’59), a University that is infested with Jesuits. In the Washington Post column On Faith (Father) Thomas J. Reese (S.J.) writes in defense of Obama and Notre Dame. It is well worth your read, for he summarizes Obama’s position on abortion (a matter of record which a simple web search will bring up) and the bogus nature of the controversy.

      Finally, in regards to your closing statement:

      No, I have not read Obama’s books. I’m sure they were prepared by a PR firm.

      The fact that you have not read his books impoverishes your ability to evaluate the trajectory from his background to the man that has become President. That you believe that his books were ghost written is unfortunate for there is no evidence that can substantiate such a view.

    44. Karen W on April 6th, 2009 1:18 am

      Our Paul,

      Thank you for your reasoned posts. You are a breath of fresh air on a very toxic blog.

      Unfortunately, these are very ‘scared little monkeys’ indeed: facts and logic won’t sway them, so you may as well give up and share your good gifts elsewhere. Isn’t there a bible verse about ‘casting pearls before swine?’

    45. Scared Monkeys on April 6th, 2009 9:25 am

      Oh Karen …

      I know its hard for some of you to comprehend that religion considers abortion murder. Yes, they also consider the death penalty murder as well.

      Also, maybe you would also like to comprehend why this site is called Scared Monkeys. Obviously you dd not get the memo.

      You are just so witty … maybe you might want to read the Bible before quoting it.

      You can have your opinion. However, the fact is that Notre Dame is a Private Catholic University. They have their beliefs and to bestow any honorary degree on Obama let alone let a person who is so far left in dealing with abortion and life issue speak is unconscionable.

      I thought the Obamamessiah said these issues were above his pay grade. Funny how that changed one he became President.

      R

    46. J T W on May 12th, 2009 6:18 pm

      This is a disgrace. He stands against everything the Catholic Church preaches.. I have lost all respect for this University. I’m a praticing Catholic and can’t believe this is really going to take place.
      This is what happens when people don’t really check out who is running for President,

    47. Elizabeth Floyd on May 12th, 2009 9:10 pm

      I am really glad to say that I am not a Catholic, after reading some of these comments, this seems to be some far out cult type religion. Some of you disagree with President Obama and yetyour intelligence leads you to be critical of his parents that you know nothing about. How stupid to say his mother should have had an abortion he wouldn’t be president and in the same breath claim that Catholics believe in life for the unborn. That statement alone lets one know that their really is no problem with whether or not the President believes in abortion or not, So what is the real problem, I think it’s the President’s skin color and nothing else. As for government spending, that’s been going on for years except it’s been going in “selected groups pockets” and not in the pockets of middle America. President Obama graduated with the 3rd highest honor from Harvard. He does not need some symbolic piece of useless paper to frame for his degree.

    48. Expected 20,000 Protesters this Weekend as Pro-Abortion President Obama Gives Commencement Speech at Notre Dame | Scared Monkeys on May 15th, 2009 11:55 pm

      [...] The controversy began a couple months ago when Notre Dame school administrators asked President Barack Obama to speak at their Commencement ceremony. Notre Dame’s choice to have Obama speak and receive an honorary degree was a bit much for many to stomach as a private, Catholic University honor a man who has been the most radical, liberal, pro-Abortion president in years. The White House and Golden Dome Administrators thought this would blow over. Make no mistake, it has not as 20,000 people are expected to protest this weekend. [...]

    49. N Waff on May 17th, 2009 10:39 pm

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      Obama continues to present his “faith” as being man-centered instead of God-centered.
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      Obama states “perhaps because I witnessed all the good works their [the church's] faith inspired them to perform, I found myself drawn not just to work with the church I was drawn to be in the church. It was through this service that I was brought to Christ.”

      Ray Comfort teaches the core of being a Christian is being “saved,” knowing what we are “saved” from and that Jesus is the only way to our salvation:

      http://www.wayofthemaster.com/mp3/tape01.m3u

      Obama believes his salvation is based on himself, according to this interview:

      http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/386118.aspx

      * Obama defines how he will enter into heaven as “if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded”

      * Obama defines sin as “Being out of alignment with my values”

      * And, for Obama, sinning is “if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.”

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