Could Zenaida Gonzalez have been Code for Caylee Anthony’s Location and Not Just a Nanny’s Name?
The case just got even more bizarre …
The disappearance and murder investigation of 2 year old Caylee Anthony has had more bizarre twists and turns than one could have ever imagine. Just when we thought we had seen and heard it all, we witnessed yet another event that shocked and appalled us even more. The evidence and lack of honesty from Casey Anthony has been evident from the start. It just got stranger …
Lee and Casey Anthony jail telephone conversation
Now comes yet one more bizarre set of circumstances, or is it just an incredible coincidence? Was the name that Casey Anthony used for the nanny, Zenaida Gonzalez, also code for where Caylee Anthony’s body was dumped? Did Casey Anthony give Lee Anthony cryptic messages in a jail house telephone conversation on July 26, 2008?
As fate would have it, Zenaida Gonzalez is not just the name of the fictitious nanny that Casey Anthony dreamed up to blame the kidnapping of her daughter, believe it or not Zenaida Gonzales is also the location where the remains of two year old Caylee Anthony was found. Was Casey telling Lee where she dumped the body or was she playing a sick game of leaving clues that no one was picking up on?
Click to enlarge to see what White Pages brings up for these two addresses
As first discussed HERE in the forums of Scared Monkeys.net, was Casey Anthony providing a location to brother Lee where Caylee was brought? That is correct, Zenaida and Gonzales are the individuals who live in the land plots adjacent to the location where the skeletal remains were found of Casey Anthony. And just when one thought there could be something from this case that would not surprise them.
Now see the location where Caylee was located in comparison to 4701 & 4709 Hopespring Drive
CASEY: I know but there are some things that I have told them that were misconstrued and not used to their benefit. I gave them the same resources that I gave you and you found out a hundred more things then they did. And they were given the same information. So it’s just about the approach I guess and using the resources to their full extent. Again I’m everybody’s biggest resource; you have said that, Jose has said that, mom and dad have said that.
LEE: Right but at the same time we still we just need to figure out how we can be clear on what ever we’re giving to them, so even if we have to you know speak very direct or we can’t really speak in generalities with them, with anybody is what I’m finding out . Or if we tell them I’m not completely sure on the spelling or I’m not completely sure on this or that. They take everything exactly up front to the ‘T’. Exactly how you provide it. So if it’s off at all they don’t even think to look in any other areas….
Hopespring and Suburban, to a “T”
CASEY: That’s why I gave them things multiple times. Each officer I gave the same information at least two or three times, I’ve done the same thing with you, the same thing with mom, the same thing with Jose. Everyone has the same information, same spelling, same names. None of that has altered because that’s it
LEE: What do you think, where do you think. You think Caylee’s ok right now?
CASEY: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I got through the court, um in my gut she’s still ok. And it still feels like she’s close to home.
The following is what is on file for tax records for the addresses of 4701 Hopespring Dr and 4709 Hopespring Dr. From an earlier statement from Kiomarie Cruz, she states that the only Gonzales individual she knows is a Hispanic woman that lives right down the street from us, but does not baby sit children.
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Posted January 10, 2009 by Scared Monkeys
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Good work, Monkeys. Each person’s idea, intellect, input came together.
Still maintain that Scared Monkeys .net and .com will go down in history as the benefits of the Internet collective thought.
wow. amazing. Those words are just a few that come to mind while I was watching the monkeys brainstorm yesterday and figured this out! Red, you should be so proud to have the finest forum anywhere with the smartest posters anywhere. Monkeys rule!!!!!!
This whole case has been a nightmare. Really bizarre
with all due respects… i think you’re giving casey credit for being smarter than she actually is. imo the body was at the location the whole time & merely missed because of flooding. if the attorney found out where it was located, it’s only because he got his client (casey) to confide in him. i don’t think jose phoned the police to tell them because he never actually found the body & wasn’t sure if this was another one of casey’s wild chases.
Sounds to me like she wanted to be caught or thought she was getting away with a joke on the police. Or perhaps she was hoping that somehow guilt would fall on one of these two families. In any case, she’s nuts!
This theory is interesting, although I don’t think Casey has the capacity to concoct such a ploy. And by the way, I could not track a record of the two families at the Hopespring addresses. Where are these documented?
SM: The records are from the OC Tax Assessors website and the internet White Pages. Casey was searching ways to make chloraform, neck breaking, weapons, etc back in March 2008. I’d say she has the capacity to do just about anything. (klaasend)
Sounds like “The Usual Suspects, 1994 movie”
Who actually is Keyser Söze?
Casey Anthony is copying the villians BS stories by picking her next door neighbors names. I bet like the movie she picked all the other BS names from what was around her at the time of the police interview. Putting the body near home was probably done because she is lazy killer.
This proves who is the real Zenaida Gonzalez!
Amazing. Im stunned and almost convinced she was trying to guide them there. KC’s MO has always been to weave bits of ‘truth’ into her stories. I hope OSCO’s all over this, another piece to there puzzle….
I kind of think the actress/singer Juliette Lewis has been brought into this as well. I wonder if she ever attended one of her concerts or had any of her music. She sings lead in a band called Juliette and the Licks. I just figured she had weaved her into the “story.”
If the Zenaida and Gonzolez theory is true, as it seems to be; then maybe Casey was convincing herself that she was truthful, by saying that Zenaida was the last person she had seen with her daughter. What Casey really meant, was that area behind those 2 residences – Gonzolez and Zenaida, WAS the last place SHE saw Calee, where she dumped her body at. So even though Casey put a play on words, she was being a bit truthful, which helped her to be more convincing to herself, but unfortunately for her, not to anyone else.
I think this is a good possibility, and it would keep her in the center of the spot light where she thrives. I just don’t think her brother or anyone else could have understood her codes. This girl is really insane. Kiomarie Cruz told everyone to look at the location where Caley was found because this is where they went as teens. So many people searched for this poor baby that it’s no surprise that many people looked in this same location over and over because it was so close to her house. I don’t think the body was moved; I think it was just hidden by brush, and Casey got lucky by the flood waters and time. I don’t think anyone knew where Caley was other than Casey, and she never confessed. All these people are pawns to severe mental illness. These people searched and searched because they were heart sick. Good job scared monkeys. I love this sight.
Good Job, Monkeys!
Wish I could be there…
Monkey Kisses to you all!
Flippin’ and Rollin’
And… the hero came through!
There’s a time for everything under the sun…
You’re ALL my Heroes!
And remember in the jail house tapes, where Cindy asks Casey if she knows the neighbors with an odd name (like Chinese or something)?
And, she says she doesn’t know the names of any of the neighbors. She already told Lee everything she knew, etc., etc. I wonder how much land they covered with that fertilizer? Obviously, they didn’t know the exact location, otherwise they would have covered for their little Darlin’ 8)
No wonder they’re hiding like foxes…
You Guys (and Gals) are AWESOME!
(No wonder I couldn’t sleep)
There’s no knowing how the mind of a psychopath works … but if she were the only person involved in the murder, what would her motive be in wanting to give clues?
Or, assuming that nobody else was involved, was she playing a sort of Jack the Ripper game with those around her?
Hey … maybe there are parallels with the umpteen stories that we have heard on Aruba from J2K.
I mean, we simply don’t know….
I know that you know that I’m my own master…
You deserve a new song…
To Red and Mrs. Red for allowing the harmony.
I am just in shock over this new info…maybe after coffee, I can respond……
To those of you who have followed the Caylee Anthony murder/alledged kidnapping:
Each and every day brings sicker, and more disgusting information about this case… and the thought that the Anthony’s PIs could have destroyed evidence in their ill-fated attempts to locate the body… or worse, the concept that they could have FOUND her body, and hidden or destroyed evidence completely to ‘save their little Casey’ makes me sick beyond belief.(Check out this site for more information about the case http://scaredmonkeys.com )
Arrest them all: Lying, and evidence destroying Cindy… George, her professional whipping boy and eunuch…. Lee, the complicit computer deleter and evidence destroyer… and their numbskull PIs, who remind me of Goober and Gomer, with a dash of Barney Fife thrown in.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
This is an ANNE PAGE MOMENT OF RAGE:
CITIZENS OF ORLANDO… IT IS TIME TO STOP THIS MADNESS! STARTING ON TUESDAY, IF YOU HAVE FREE TIME… AND A DESIRE TO HONOR CAYLEE… GET SOME POSTER BOARD, AND CREATE YOUR OWN PROTEST SIGNS… AND START PICKETING BOZO BAEZ’S OFFICE.
TELL HIM TO BURY CAYLEE NOW, AND GIVE HER THE DIGNITY IN DEATH SHE HAS BEEN DENIED FOR OVER HALF A YEAR!
FREE CAYLEE ANTHONY FROM HER CARDBOARD BOX!
BURY CAYLEE NOW!
(And please post this suggestion on every board you post to, every blog you are a member of… and tell your friends and neighbors. It is time for the Citizens of Florida to do what the Scamthonys won’t. Please join together for Caylee, and get her a dignified burial NOW!)
While I find this astonishing, I have a tendency to go with what #4 & 6 said…..don’t want to give Casey too much credit. On the other hand, as one can summize from all of her recorded interviews w/LE….she is cunning & manipulative…very street smart ….so I also wouldn’t put anything past her.
What a crying SHAME Casey could give ANYTHING in her life this much thought and have so little regard or maternal love for her beautiful child, Caylee Marie. Caylee paid the price being born in to this messed up family. There are so many caring individuals & childless couples who would have given the world to have the chance to parent this little girl the way she deserved.
=( *JUSTICE 4 CAYLEE ANTHONY*
this is very interesting to say the least..but don’t you think Lee would have figured out the code long before December and went and got his neice out of those woods before December?
ANewGirl – I hold Cindy Anthony as much to blame for Caylee’s death as I do her cold blooded, murdering daughter. If Cindy, the CONTROL FREAK, had not demanded Casey keep Caylee, instead of giving her up for adoption, I believe Caylee would still be alive today.
Hi …..I like your theory and thank you for the work you put into this connection between Zenaida and Gonzales at the corner of Hopespring Dr and Suburban Dr where Caylee was located.
I do believe Casey was talking in code with Lee and Cindy both.
I want to share this with you SM….I have sent this info to LE and Leonard Padilla and his nephew Rick….please listen CAREFULLY to this part of the taped jailhouse visit between Lee and Casey….Casey most definitely is saying “HOPE” and NOT “Home” HOPE = Hopespring Drive…
I have to rant sorry……..does anyone care about CAYLEE? CAYLEE is the victim!
kc has people sending her money for ‘treats’
CAYLEE didn’t even reach 3 years old.
kc has a million dollar denfese team and who is backing that????
Who and Why would anyone want this murderer off??
Why not give the money to the state to put this kc away forever!
CAYLEE can’t even have a funeral!
The Anthony family KNEW from CODE speak exactly where CAYLEE was!
CAYLEE was left to rot away because it would be bad for kc.
I could go on all day….I am just furious!
Unfortunately, it is possible Casey was manipulative enough to come up with this on her own. As for the REAL Zanaida, this may have been something Casey never imagined…someone with that naming just happening to be at the SawGrass apts….we all know truth is stranger than fiction anyway.
Either way, smart enough to design the plan or not, she going to go down for this act of murder.
Casey “I’m not completely sure on the spelling” Owner of the property Fredesvind Gonzales. Could sound much like Fernandez
Also we need to remember that Casey didn’t have to come up with her story immediately, she had a whole month to work on it. So she plenty of time to weave the names of the property owners into her version of who had Caylee.
I don’t know who Ann Page is but I like your thinking, Kathleen Barker!!! If I lived close enough I would be there. Unfortunately I’m in Canada. But I will add your message to my emails, at least.
WOW! Good sleuthing there, JusticeWillPrevail. She is saying HOPE. A person would def. have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull the wool over your eyes!!!
The woman Zanadia questioned by police said on OTR the other night that they asked, Are you ZG ? do you drive ?????? car? have you 2 children called ?? and ??,everything fit, except she has 4 or 6 children, her and her lawyer suspect the information was from an application she made for renting an appartment!!!!
This latest theory about Zanadia and Gonzales is VERY interesting and the tapes from jail need further investigation, i dont think Lee is involved and the fact that the remains were not found during previous searches does not concern me in the fact that they think this gives grounds for reasonable doubt, the remains would have been tiny, as small child, they could have been dragged about by animals, this case is appaling and my heart bleeds for that beautiful child!!
IN a jailhouse talk , Cindy ask Casey who else did Zaneida care for and the name Annibel came up.
Did anyone ever hear who Annibel was and what became of that. It bothers me so much that cindy and George somehow still believe ( or did) that there was actually a ” nanny” As close as they ssay they were to that child how can they believe there was a sitter that they did not know?
What are the ODDS of those two names next to each other located where the remains were discovered!? There are millions of names and those two come up side by side? Casey grew up here and walked these roads…she had to know. I think she was sending out cryptic messages and wanted to be caught. Great sleuth work. I am sure this will come out in court as well.
GREAT JOB Monkeys–and NOW it becomes oh so clear WHY lee,cindy and george asked for immunity and have an attorney–GUILTY AS CHARGED of lying to police and FBI,aiding and abetting in the cover-up.
Can’t the judge in this case FORCE these sickos to bury this precious child?Some sort of direct order? They were ‘waiting for the 2nd autopsy’ which was completed several days ago–Your Honor please see to it Caylee is put to rest–she so deserves it.
Wow. When I read this it just sent cold chills down my spine. My husband and I always thought that she was sending out some kind of code all along. This is to wierd to be a coincidence.
We also thought that Casey plus Lee equals Caylee. I hate to think of it but could that possibly be code for the Father???? Oh say it isn’t true. She never revealed who the real father of Caylee is.
Casey stated that the nanny had a key to the Anthony home. If that’s so, then any one of the Anthonys would have met or seen the nanny at some point. I get so tired of hearing Casey say how the police keep misconstruing everything she says. How can they misconstrue anything when it’s Casey whose blatant and constant lies have not helped the police find her daughter. Casey’s lies have helped the police and investigators more than she could ever have realized. Cindy taught little Caylee the tune “You are my Sunshine”.
Cindy should have taught Casey this rhyme:
OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE;
WHEN WE FIRST PRACTICE,
I guess that goes for all of the Anthonys.
Just want to say good sleuthing, you monkeys! If this case can get an weirder, well, I’d like to know how. I still think Lee is the papa.
Maybe Lee did figure out the ” code ” his sister was speaking in. Gave the info along with all of her other cryptic convos to the PI Dom Casey and he was following up on that. Don’t forget, she was bailed out of jail just on the cusp of Hurricane Faye and the area was too underwater to do a proper search until early December. Maybe she even told Lee in person in August or September, before the GJ sent her back. There are several place in her jail house tapes where she is givng info to Lee where to search.
I think Lee knows everything and is covering for his sister. I am close to my brother but I would never be able to cover up or forgive him for anything even close to killing or harming a child. Are charges still pending for Lee?
I, personally, want to thank all the front-page posters as well as the many visitors that have come to post on the front page including the family of Roy Kronk. Without your help and your support, none of this would be possible.
Find faith in knowing that no matter how bad the world may get there are still those that take the time to support the voiceless victims of crime, like Caylee and countless others.
Great work you guys here on this site. I am very thankful for what you do!
Maybe someone should send this theory to Yuri Melich (spelling) of the OCSD. I think it is very interesting. As much as Casey has lied and been able to remember all the lies and the detail of the lies….I wouldn’t put anything past her. She is very capable of putting this web together. I hope she burns!
WOW! I am blown away by this! How in the world did this get put togther? and Bravo to those who did!
Cindy Anthony is so out of touch with reality, it’s pitiful. Control freak for sure. She should be embarrassed of herself with all the accusations she made in the media….finger pointing…critisizing. I’m so mad that as a GRANDMOTHER- she knew from the instant she called 911 and complained about the smell of a dead body…she knew what happened and played so many games! Completely impeded the investigation!!
No dignity, no morals. Cindy is a serious crack pot leaves much to be desired and is in dire need of extensive mental health counseling. I have no empathy for her, her weirdo Son, and her hen pecked, unfaithful husband! What a joke that is, too—he already attempted to divorce her once. Let’s see how long they last after their evil Spawn gets convicted or spends the rest of her life on death row. I give them less than a year.
Lastly- what the hell kind of Grandparents won’t even press to have that child buried? They were never Caylee’s adovcate in life—they deserted her in death. They didn’t even show up in court when people were litigating over copyrights of the photos. Their actions speak volumes! They are fake ass people who fiegn real love and devotion. Sorry to say but sometimes I actually enjoyed seeing them reach the brink of a nervous breakdown when the crowds were picketing Hope Spring Drive. While I wish no one harm or don’t condone violence, so many times I found myself thinking…it serves them right! I felt bad for the neighbors whose privacy and peace was interupted…that’s it!
CINDY ANTHONY—CUT THE CRAP and BURY YOUR GRANDAUGHTER! Put that big mouth of yours to use and speak up for the right thing!
PS… Picketing Baez’s office…ok.. but I say send the throngs back to the Anthony’s house.
HOPE… I don’t get it ….all of your back flips for us Monkeys…All of your zealous one liner postings rattling on and on and on…Did we do something grandeous???? Please explain.
two q’s, why do the lawyers and other players keep including ZGF in convo’s? She is fiction yet they talk about her as if she is real.
Is there an account of this “fight” Casey and Cindy had on the 15/16th of June?
A poster came on here and said that she was the sister of Roy and said that she lived on Hope Spring Drive.
I don’t know whether you missed reading the article, but obviously, Scared Monkeys researched the addresses on Hope Spring Drive and found who the properties were registered to in the white pages. The two properties adjacent to the woods where Caylee was found are registered to (1) Zenieda and (2) Gonzales. She was found near the property line behind these houses.
I would appreciate it if you addressed me with a little more respect. I am not a monkey because of my own choosing. I serve only one master and He is not of this world. If you can’t respect that, then, maybe you need to do some research on the front page under heroes, dragons and bones washing ashore in Aruba. Otherwise, I am perfectly fine with you, simply, ignoring my posts.
Ever hear the word… Confession? Obviously, since Casey had been telling everyone Caylee was with Zanny, she was, thereby, admitting to the crime.
What have you done, lately?
I, certainly, hope that Scared Monkeys will report their findings to the authorities…
SM: The information was sent to Yuri with LE before it was even posted on the front page of SM. (klaasend)
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Tell everyone Hi for me.
Again… GOOD JOB!
I’m not so sure that she wanted to be caught. But… I am thinking that she chose the dumping ground well before the murder if it was indeed homicide. I find it very reasonable to believe that she thought she might pass a polygraph by using the words Zenaida/Gonzales because in her own warped mind, she was telling the truth. She says in one taped visit conversation that she knows that they (the Anthony family)will all be together one day- and I think she is talking about the afterlife. In her own mind, she is not lying.
Do you think that the so called phone call from Caylee was code that she knew she was still there,Because maybe she had checked?
I have continued to try to locate the name/addresses through white pages & tax assessors records with no success. I hate to question the authenticity of the info, but cannot verify it.
Probably because they don’t know that we know or they know… that’d be a good one for the prosecutor to ‘spring’ on them… No pun intended.
Q2 – I have no idea. But, I think there was a neighbor who reported that Cindy had tried to choke Casey and Casey loaded up the baby and told her mom that she’d never see her grand daughter again! That’s why I think it may have been Cindy looking up ‘neck breaking’ on the computer. 8)
I’m looking forward to the trial.
When I read this version, I remember that smirk on Caseys face when she is first brought into the station. Diabolical!!I guess we’ll hear about this on NG Monday night.
Good job monkeys,no wonder I check here twice a day.
I believe Casey was providing clues because in her sociopathic way of thinking, it was her private pleasure to believe she was outsmarting LE by providing exact clues they couldn’t figure out. BTK killer did the same except he sent letters to tormet the investigators. Only later in life did he get sloppy and wind up caught.
Due to this case, I have to wonder if little Trenton Duckett is actually extrememly close to where Melinda lived and has been overlooked.
Thanks. Soon as I heard that video I just knew the word was HOPE and NOT Home!! Whoever transcribed the call was definitely wrong in their transciption of the word. To me, this means she is trying to convey to LEE where Caylee could be found. Add this to all the other clues, such as the Gonzales’s living on the corner of Hopespring and Suburban, you can put pieces of Casey’s puzzled together.
With a narsisitic mind like Casey’s, she wants the glory and spotlight. She wanted her name in lights. If you read up on the most nortorious cases, you’ll see how the murderer wanted Law enforcement to figure out the puzzle. Kind of like the movie “Seven” with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman. I could be way off base with my thinking but IMO Casey wanted Caylee to be found in her own round and about sick way. Playing cat and mouse with her family and the sheriff’s officers.
Just my opinion
Okay, I think that this is stranger and stranger. The whole Zanaida Fernandez (did anyone find anything on that name?) Gonzalez name attached to the Sawgrass Apartments and now Caylee being found behind the homes of two women named Zanaida and Gonzalez is just creepy. I honestly believe now that she popped that name out because that is where Caylee was and just threw the two names together off the top of her head. It was never explained where she got the info from Sawgrass from so this would make more sense. There is always a glimpse of truth in someone’s lies and this very well may be the glimpse of truth in the Zani name. Who knows. I wish the little murderer would just tell the truth for once cut a deal to stay alive behind prison walls and let her daughter be buried in peace.
More de-coding would reveal that “black- Jack” is code for Caylee. not a missing phone. She stated she lost the phone the week the police were called but the day wasn’t clear. And she had it at Universal when she was there with friends. Universal being where the body was found because she used to hang out there with friends. more code.
Yes, that is “hope” she is saying on the tape, but it’s most likely due to a slip up not on purpose. I don’t know if she was trying to tell Lee where Caylee’s body was so he could go and retrieve it and somehow put her to rest in their own sick way without the parents finding out. But my feeling is that it was a slip up, Lee didn’t believe her story but wanted to help her anyway and hindered the investigation some how.
There is no way Casey wanted this body found, she paniced and threw her away when she started to smell. She most likely used the two names so she could try and pass a poly like someone said.
For whatever reason Casey does what she does, it’s all due to her snowball effect, she tries to stay 1 step ahead but digs herself deeper and deeper. She’s been getting away with lies all her life she assumed she could get away with this too and judging by her dream team volunteers she just may if they get someone with an IQ of 60 or under on that jury.
With regards to who said the hands were put around Casey’s neck, I believe it was Lee during the first FBI interview when he was cooperating before Casey passed out the emotional Koolaid for them all to guzzle from.
Kirsten…they body was NOT found at Universal..kinda blows your whole theory…. Body was found a few hundred feet from the Anthony home.
JusticeWillPrevail…U and I agree with Casey thinking she could play cat/mouse with LE and get away with it. Talk about narcistic…that would be it right there.
AS for Casey planning the Zanaida thing from the start, I do not believe that. I believe she was going to stage a drowning, but based on the condition of Caylee’s body…the day Casey tried that (June 18th?) at her parents’ home on HopeSpring Drive…she realized the body was NOT in any condition to pull that off..and simply left her parents that day (remember the day she backed into the driveway and borrowed the shovel?) to toss Caylee’s body into the woods nearby as the smell was getting pretty nasty. Also, the bodily fluids would have continued their own decomposition after the fact.
We will see soon enough. Trial is march, right?
I think it is strange that Zenida Gonzalez was at the Sawgrass Aparments and filled out an application and then Caylee is found in the back of the two houses with the same first and last name….
#47 Hope…drama queen… You sound like a real nice christian… you should do your own inventory…you know the blank out of your own eye and stop hiding behind God as if to give you the freedom for your mouth to rattle on and puts me down … He does not like that…I have been a member here for four years…Have a great day ) Bye….
You have to see this video!
This is the video showing cell phone pings placing Casey at certain locations June 17 -19th
Go to 1:38 of the 6 minute video. I shows casys cell phone at the spot where the body was found!!!!!!!
Sharon to find the information go to
go to reverse look up and enter
Hopespring under address and Florida for the state and its shows all addresses and people living on the street including
Fredesvind L Gonzales
4701 Hopespring Dr
Orlando, FL 32829-8642
4709 Hopespring Dr
Orlando, FL 32829-8642
phone number unavailable
hope it helps
two q’s, why do the lawyers and other players keep including ZGF in convo’s? She is fiction yet they talk about her as if she is real.
Is there an account of this “fight” Casey and Cindy had on the 15/16th of June?
Probably because they don’t know that we know or they know… that’d be a good one for the prosecutor to ’spring’ on them… No pun intended.
Q2 – I have no idea. But, I think there was a neighbor who reported that Cindy had tried to choke Casey and Casey loaded up the baby and told her mom that she’d never see her grand daughter again! That’s why I think it may have been Cindy looking up ‘neck breaking’ on the computer.
I just find it odd that everyone keeps talking about Zanny the Nanny on tv when she doesn’t exist! Both sides do it.
So a neightbor reported it?
I had assumed it was Casey looking at neck breaking.
I need to find an account of this fight they had because I think that set the chain of actions off…although I think something would have happened at another time if this hadn’t occured.
Very interesting find! Kudos… I agree because Casey has been cryptic with ALL the info she has given. She has been very cunning and deceptive. We are ALL fully aware that there is NO nanny right? Casey did not have a job at Universal in May 2008 and therefore did not need a nanny. She was stealing from her friends and family because she needed money so where would she have the money to pay a nanny? Not one living human being has ever met the Nanny (not even the Hopkins guy she claimed introduced her to Zani). So this theory could very possibly be right on the money. What’s more important is what did she do w/Caylee while she partied? Did she chloroform her or give her Xanax and leave her sleeping in her car? Maybe she duct taped her mouth so that if she woke up she wouldn’t scream/cry because she was alone. BTW, she also said the last time she spoke to Caylee, Caylee was talking about a story in her book. Coincidently a story book was found near Caylee’s body (another clue). She also told one of the searchers that “they haven’t even found Caylee’s clothes,” was that because she took them off b4 she put her in the garbage bag? There isn’t alot for the prosecutors to prove. Casey has proven that she is a liar and people that lie only lie because they have something to hide. I hope justice will be served in March.
Brenda, Universal is code for where they used to hang out with friends wherer the body WAS found.
I listened to the link that #24 gave, and it changed my way of thinking.
I believe that Casey is saying Hope, and it’s obvious she was talking in code. I just can’t imagine that if Lee knew where this baby was that he wouldn’t go look for her himself. Maybe he did look and didn’t find her like so many others.
If Casey made up the name Zenaida Gonzales to direct others to Caylee’s body this has more ramifications. Cindy said that Zenaida has been watching Caylee for 2 years. Does this mean that Casey’s been planning to kill her child for 2 years?
Lee also told LE when they answered the 9-11 call.
Has anyone ever stopped to think that Casey is not a dumb chick? She’s actually pretty smart and articulate i mean don’t get me wrong she is a snot nose brat, and arrogant, but she is highly smart (thought i would throw that out there) Now as far as her lying about things she really isn’t lying in her own head. I too believe that Lee is the father. I also think that he new after awhile where the body was. I think that Casey planned this out. I believe she actually thinks she will get away with this. As for the names of the neighbors Zenaida and Gonzalez those are actually focal points to where she can find the baby and move her when she had the chance… Just my opinion though.
I can’t imagine that Lee is the father. This would have already come out don’t you think? Would this come out at the trial?
Lee also told LE when they answered the 9-11 call.
Lee told LE?
He told them about the fight when he called 911 or Cindy?
Hi everyone, first time commenter here. This may sound crazy but what isn’t about this case? I noticed in caseys written statement to police she says she dropped off caylee at sawgrass BETWEEN 9 AND 1… As we know, the body was found BETWEEN the property lines of 4701 and 4709…is this another dimented clue she was dropping for everyone, or am I just reading into things? This girl thinks she’s some kind of criminal genius but she only proves over and over what a freakin tard she is…who blatantly connects themselves to a crime scene?!
I know the nanny is ficticious. But, does anyone know if during any police or media interviews with Cindy and George Anthony, if anyone asked them or Casey how she paid for this “nanny”? It seems like the most basic question, but I’ve never heard or read it in any of the police questioning of either Casey or the grandparents or how they answered the question? Or asking Casey how she paid her? How does someone without a job afford said nanny? I have a great job and can’t afford a nanny. She would have really had to scramble for an answer to that one and if she did answer it, what did she say?
#77 GG …. Casey lied to Cindy and George and told them she was employed.
Good work holmes,this is really quite interesting.Do you think she is trying to out wit LE.Will be watching this one.
JusticeWillPrevail, it does sound like Casey is saying HOPE, not home
This is great work Monkeys. I have read every document and listened to and watched every tape I could find…I still have questions. Where was Caylee when she was supposed to be with the “Nanny” and Cindy didn’t have her either. There are several days that no one saw Caylee but they saw Casey.(This was before June 15th) According to Cindy’s testimony she didn’t have her any of that time she was told also that she waas with the “Nanny”. AND where did she take Caylee when she got up in the middle of the night at Ricardo’s house. Cindy stated that she never called Casey and told her to bring the baby home. If I had these answers I think I could try this case! LOLOL
great job monkeys this damn girl is a freak mabe she was going to kill her whole family and play some kind of sick as game with them too man this is really mind blowing keep up the good work monkeys by the way have you gave this info to le
I just heard that Roy Kronk is to be on Good Morning America, tomorrow the 13th tuesday.
OMG BetteJean, what a great observation as well! I didn’t even notice that! Wow….
I had another thought, although I cant actually remember if Casey ever referred to Zenaieda as Zannie in her conversations to either Lee or her mother or father(?) Has anyone ever heard xanax being referred to as zannie(s)? just thought I’d through that out there. there have been some great thoughts given here, and I’m thankful that I came across the “Scared Monkees”.
kudo’s to you all !
No doubt Casey’s heard of zannies. But, if there
were any drugs found in Caylee’s marrow, I think
we would have heard about it by now. But, who
knows? Maybe there is another twist to the name.
Yeah… with Lee saying, “Don’t worry, Darlin’ if you have anything to tell, just tell us… Don’t trust your attorney to take care of ‘family’ business. These are OUR priorities… ”
Makes you wonder how many people knew. 8)
Did yo8u check out this video showing her cellphone pinged at the site where caylee was found?
Sorry here it is
go to minute 1:38
Thanks, Tokin and all of Scared Monkeys.
Who ever figured this out is amazing! Has anyone sent this info to Nancy Grace or to Greta or Jane Valesques-Mitchell (or all of them)? This info needs to get out there!
You all are brilliant!
I just can’t understand how the body could be where it was found placed there back in June. So close to the road, the neighbors the school parents going to and from the school why not the smell like it was but worse in the car?????????Someone would have smelled that smell and turned it in being so close to the Anthony’s home. They say that there is some truth in a liar, and I believe Casey’s truth is when she tells I left her with Zanida the truth in that statement is true Zanax. The truth in I left her at Sawgrass is also true, but the truth is I believe someone came and got Caylee out of the truck to help Casey and she didn’t know where she was taken by the person she called for help. Then after her arrest I believe who ever hid the body for Casey went and picked it up and placed it where it was found to help her get her off by making everyone believe she could’t have placed the body there because she was locked up. I am telling you there is no way that body laid that close to the road and no one smelled it. I smelled a man that laid in his trailor dead for 6 days and when they opened his windows that smell went all through the park. It had to be removed and burned. The smell is un godly .If any of you that has not smelled the smell of a dead body you would understand what I am saying about why nobody smelled it that close. She is 100% guilty in my eyes but she back in June did not drop Caylee off where she was found in Dec. She had someone to go retrieve that body later and place it there.
HOPE is Roy Kronk
[...] who was on the other end of the cell phone providing him information? Is it possible as we have previously suggested that Casey Anthony was tipping off either members of her family or her legal team as to where Caylee was left? The PI’s just happened to not find the exact [...]
Hope is Patti, Fire Fox, Fox Fire AND Roy Kronk?
It’s unexplainable… even for me.
But, for now, I am HOPE.
…actually from the quote of the “T” insinuaiton, if you make the top of the T across the houses and the stem points towards the location of the body, and “it’s off a little bit”, so “they wouldn’t think to look anywhere else”. She’s a psychological killer.
Well, I didn’t see the first hour of Good Morning America. Did I miss anything? If he did NOT appear on that program, then the plan must have changed. On who’s behalf I dont know. Can anybody get back to me on this?
Appreciate it if you could, please…
Since I read this scenario I have been watching the news diligently especially Nancy Grace, Jane Velez, On the Record, Geraldo etc. I cannot believe that this theory has not been reported on any of these shows or could I possibly have missed it?
Everytime I see video of Lee and Casey, I think of the song Secret Lovers. I can’t wait until Baez announces paternity…
To those who listend to the link I provided and hear the word “HOPE” and not “home” Thank you.
I sent this link in an email to Kathi Belich at WFTV news channel.
I think the scenario laid out on the connection to Zenaida and Gonzales on the corner of Hopespring Drive and Suburban Drive is right on!
Thank you for putting some more pieces of the puzzled together.
IMO I do believe Kronk is telling the truth. JMO There are so many who are lying that are involved with this case, that one just don’t know who to believe any more. But again, I just think Kronk was so burdened with his deceased wifes bills from her cancer treatments that he wanted to find Caylee in hope of receiving a reward to pay off which I’m sure is an unsurmountable among of hospital bills.. Again, this is JMO
Should anyone expect to be awared financial gain over the death of a child? Well, I look at it this way and I could be wrong, but if a child/person is missing and than realized to be dead, why should an attorney realize finanical gain along with possible book/tv rights, through a third party and not reward the person who located a missing child?
Just because something is reported to the police or investigators doesn’t mean that it’s going to be leaked to the press and on Nancy Grace the next day. IMO.
Oh my Gosh! Wouldn’t you love to see the look in his eyes when he finds out he made a baby with the psychopathic murderer of the year? Too Funny! But, deep inside, can’t help but hope that it’s not true.
I thought the Zenaida Fernandez Gonazalez thing made more sense in regards to the Sawgrass Apartments. Why would Casey say she left her at Sawgress? Do you folks belive that was just a conincidence that a Zenaida Fernandez Gonazalez looked at an apartment there? I just can’t believe that both could be true; the 2 houses on Hopespring theory and the Sawgress apartment card theory? Which is it? Or is it both somehow?
JusticeWillPrevail on January 11th, 2009 10:09 am
Hi …..I like your theory and thank you for the work you put into this connection between Zenaida and Gonzales at the corner of Hopespring Dr and Suburban Dr where Caylee was located.
I do believe Casey was talking in code with Lee and Cindy both.
I want to share this with you SM….I have sent this info to LE and Leonard Padilla and his nephew Rick….please listen CAREFULLY to this part of the taped jailhouse visit between Lee and Casey….Casey most definitely is saying “HOPE” and NOT “Home” HOPE = Hopespring Drive…
Assuming casey talks in code:
After the part about caylee being close to hope, Lee asks if she realy spoke to Caylee, she says yes on 7/15 it was a private number
lot 4709= Zeniada- according to the info above, Zeniada (4709) has an unlisted/private number
was she telling Lee that she checked the body and that it was on lot 4709- the map pic indicates the remains were slightly over the property line closer to 4709
I feel bad for Kronk, because if I was in that area I would be searching EVERY opportunity I had. he was right when he didn’t want to give his name.
Have the authorities got a warrant for the PI’s cell phone records yet? It should be easy enough to figure out who he was speaking with when he was searching that day. he is definitely protecting someone, he has already changed his story. Did anyone get the feeling that when he was slashing haphazardly at the trash bags on the video that he was expecting to find poor Caylee and compromise the crime scene at the same time?
Thanks for the response with “hope”
I think you’re right on spot with the codes and 4709 between casey and lee. when she told lee about talking with caylee on the 16th with the number being private, she already knew these people on the corner had a private number. she had a month to plan things out and as long as she stayed away from cindy and the house she had time to plan. good theory in my book!
I wonder why the Gonzales and Zenaida info hasn’t hit the airwaves yet?
Do yall remember Cindy saying on Greta that the dogs gave ‘inconsistent hits’ in the backyard, then made a point about how the pavers had been in casey’s car but the dogs didn’t ‘hit’ on them when they went in the yard? I think the pavers that were in the trunk with the body were the ‘stone configurations’ the PIs were looking for at the remains site…and ol cindy and george knew, and bought new ones to put into the yard to dispute the dog’s findings. Any thoughts?
Can someone link me to the mention of pavers? This is the first i have heard of them and it is an interesting theory
I think its on the foxnews/greta website. I’m gonna try and track it down,but she did an interview with the anthonys and toured their backyard and Cindy talked about the dogs ‘inconsistent hits’ back there, saying something like, “Well, those cement paver stones we just put into the ground right here were in Caseys trunk during the time in question, and the dogs didn’t hit on them when they were in the yard.” I think that’s cuz the paver stones from the trunk were used to mark the burial spot in case she needed to go back and move the body again later. George and Cindy saw the pavers were missing from the trunk when they picked up the car from the towyard, so they bought new ones to cover for their idiot daughter. I’ll find the link…
I found this on this site
It is very interesting and deals directly with the pavers
Good point. I bet there were pavers to keep the the body under water. Maybe that’s what Casey needed the shovel for, to get the pavers loose from the Anthony yard? The police definitely have something that is tying the body to the home (yay for them) that they are not sharing at this time.
WOW! I didn’t make that connection before. So Casey probably was driving with Caylee around in the trunk. She’s looking for a place to dump the body. She sees this area close to the house is under water and swampy ’cause she’s to lazy and stupid to go far (probably from the heavy rains); and says I will dump Caylee here but I need something to weigh the bags down with. So she backs into the garage (can’t have anyone see a big lumpy garbage bag in the trunk), borrows the shovel from the neighbor, pries up the pavers and unties the bag (oh God, this is getting me sick), throws them in with the body. She drives back to the spot, but, now, the body and the pavers is way heavy. So Casey’s dragging the bag out of the trunk and of course it is to heavy to lift properly and it gets caught on something, probably the trunk lock, which is why the bag broke and fluids spilled out.
So, hm, Casey is waaaaay to lazy and weak to pick up a, oh, say, 60 pound dead weight. Who hauls the bag out of the trunk for her? Lee, maybe? Is that why Lee is shaking in his boots, refusing DNA samples and lie detector tests? Lee, did you toss out you sweet baby niece like a bag of dead kittens?
I wonder did Law enforcement find swamp water on Casey and Lee’s shoes?
NO WAY! There’s no way in heck police were unaware of these 2 residences next to each other. From the very start they have been searching for this nanny and would have come across these names before in their search. Now add on the numerous tips from the utility worker at the SAME LOCATION as a Zanaida AND Gonzales, and the location so close to the Anthony home, and I find it either disgusting or impossible that police wouldn’t have scowered this land COMPLETELY over and over! I don’t even want to hear about the flood waters. They search for human remains in lakes, rivers, but they can’t handle at most a few feet of water over a small area of land? This case is beyond disturbing, both from the Anthony family and Police side of things.
I have thought all along that Casey’s been dropping clues and talking in some “type of code”, which is why, in “her reality”, she claims she is telling the truth.
Could “sawgrass” be Casey’s code word for weeds? Sawgrass is a Florida plant called: Cladium jamaicense.
Here’s the website: “http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Sawgrass/sawgrass.htm” It’s is usually found along the edges of brackish wetlands, but is occasionally seen near freshwater lakes.
Wasn’t the area where Caylee was found heavily weeded(sawgrass) and a wetland in spots, which prevented new housing construction?
Might be a stretch, but maybe she and Kiomarie pretended that their secret hiding places in this area were apartments, as kids do. Hence, what better place to drop off Caylee, but at the “sawgrass apartments”, where ZG can look over on her?
The sawgrass theory makes total sense when you think about how Casey had lined all this up.
Cindy is still supporting her daughters supposed innocence in a recent email, this woman is seriously unbalanced. She should be charged with tampering with evidence for washing the clothes she found in the car…
I think the psychic is lying, if she was on the phone she would have the cell phone calls on her bill, its that simple.
In response to Eagle Eyes. #102
Sawgrass is a type of grass that grows in the southern states. This is where this clue could have came from.
And I am sure there was a lot of Sawgrass behind those two houses where the body was found.
This whole case is strange. Casey could have easily used these clues. Afterall, he father George was a a cop. She probably grew up watching movies similar to this whole case. Or reading books that may have been laying around the house from George.
I truely think Lee is the father and Casey never wanted Caylee. Her mother found out she was preg. and talked her into having the baby. For the 2 years that Caylee was around, Casey knew the whole thing of Lee being the father was wrong. And when Caylee started getting the attention from the grandparents, she opted to make it right by getting rid of Caylee. The entire case is strange. Keeps gettiung stranger….. HOWEVER, someone if not the Baez camp, needs to give this poor child the proper burial.
Casey needs to realize there is no way she will see daylight ever again. And just cut the codes and tell the truth. It’s not like she is going to win over any jewels in jail.
No one should be profiting from a death of any individual.
What information is leading to Lee being the father, this is an interesting theory for sure. It would explain why he is backing his sister up, when he knows she has done this heinous thing?
Ya the sawgrass/weeds theory makes sense…also, didn’t she say she left caylee at the bottom of the ‘steps’ to zenaidas? Weren’t there some flagstones or rocks on the side of the road leading down to the body that formed natural ‘steps’? What do you guys think the ‘blackjack phone’ was code for? I have a really paranoid sinking feeling that somehow its related to the nicole ganguzza murder. Hope I’m wrong.any thoughts?
Here what Casey says in the background of Cindy’s 911 call!
“I don’t have anything to talk to them”
Have you seen the news showing that abandoned house on the video where the detective Jim Hoover and Dominic Casey were searching and poking thru garbage bags and dirt.. That house apparently is across the street directly from where the remains were found…..It is owned by a Hernan Gonzales. Could this be the Fernando in Zenaida Fernando Gonzales??? Again why is the information on this website has not made the news. I dont get it.
I believe lee is baby-daddy. Why else would he refuse a dna test in the beginning? Casey had told both jesse and tony that lee had been making “inappropriate advances” from the time she was in middle school. I know, I know, she’s a chronic liar, but this would really explain her detachment and her underlying hatred of the baby. And lee’s inclination to cover up. His own bumbling lawyer once said “lee was under the assumption his daughter- er, I’m sorry, his niece, was kidnapped.” A freudian slip if ever there was one. That guy can’t open his mouth without steppin all over his tongue…
Interesting that Casey said she dropped Caylee off between 9 and 1. I always thought “who in their right mind gives such a huge time gap. I could see if it was between 9 and 9:30 because you may not remember the exact time, but to say between 9 and 1?? And you’re on your way to work? Did she not remember what her work schedule was?”, but now look at the addresses. one ends with 9 and the other ends with 1. Now think about her statement again.
“I dropped Caylee off on my way to work between 9 and 1.”
She actually told the truth…… in a backwards sort of way. lol
Nancy grace just said lee is seeking immunity
I found this site a couple of days ago and I’m fascinated with how the Zenaida Gonzales reference was figured out! Congrats to the great minds who put this together! Also the reference that Casey makes to Lee about Caylee being close to HOPE! I’ve seen that conversation a thousand times and never heard it! Great job! Has anyone had any luck getting this info to the right people? I think Nancy Grace would love to have this info. I know I would love to see it discussed on the air
Has any of this gotten to LE or LP or NG or JVM yet? They need to know all this stuff!
I too believe the Lee may be the baby daddy, but wouldn’t the pathologists working with Caylee’s DNA know that she was inbred?
Yes. I think they do know, and it hasn’t been released yet. I think that will come out at trial cuz its just so explosive…
i think its so disgusting that people are sending casey money for snacks, bras, etc. heck for anything. she is a cold calculated murderer and she is being rewarded by numbskulls. but then again i shouldnt be suprised, the sickos will always have a following. look at richard ramirez and all the women that “love” him.. sick sick sick!!!!!!!!
perhaps the police already know lee is the daddy and that is why he is now looking to have criminal immunity
I don’t think its any coincidence that lee is asking for immunity at the same time LE is hunting down whoever was on the phone with the pi in that video. The timing is remarkable. Factor caylees paternity into the equation, and you have a lot of damning evidence against him. This whole family makes me wanna yak. They’ll let caylee continue to rot in a funeral home until they get their immunity…not one of them is capable of standing up for her and doing the right thing. I really want kronk to use that reward money to give that poor defenseless baby a decent burial. And he should make a point to NOT invite any of the Anthonys.
What kind of grass grows in the swamp? I do believe it may be saw grass and or sedge plants. I’m impressed with this theory with the reverse addresses to get the nanny’s name. (now known location of little Caylee’s remains) Stop and think how much time elapsed between the last time little Caylee was seen and when the grandparents called 911 to report little Caylee missing. A superb story could have been in the making? The Anthony saga continues. I do not think we have heard anything yet!
Janice, Hello, I’m new to posting so please forgive my clumsiness. I too have always thought there was a huge time difference between the time Caylee was last seen by grandparents, and the events that lead us up to today. It certainly was a long time. I would have thought that as much Cindy expresses the desire to get Caylee home, she would have at least inquired to Casey where Caylee was, and to “bring her home, I miss her”. Regardless of their “fight,” and Casey storming out of the house,it doesn’t sit well with me that Cindy would be so indifferent to that situation re: Caylee. And also, I can’t imagine how they never questioned Casey’s supposed “job” her “income”, and the fact that she could afford a “nanny”. And also, I noticed that George refers to Caylee as “that little girl” like he doesn’t know/remember her name. I’ve given the situation alot of thought over the months, and I can’t put my finger on anything specific except that this is one of the most horrific crimes. Way too much evidence that needs investigation.
s far as the names of the two homes, Lets not forget that Casey told authorities that she dropped Caylee off W/ Zenaida between the hours of 9 and 1. These two houses end with those numbers.
I wonder if Casey used the house to place Caylee drugged and arrived back to find her dead. Either way she should’ve called police.
Here actions points to mental illness. She’s totally insane.
If the incest theory is true they would’ve arrested Lee A. long ago. It’s disqusting that people are saying that and should perhaps be checked out why they think such a thing. The father is most likely a young kid like Casey who didnt want anything to do with having a child…..
I think LE is holding what they know about lee over his head to get him to testify against his sister. They NEED his testimony, and throwing him in jail is not going to get it. They can threten him with this explosive info (and jail time for incest) to get him to spill his guts at trial, in exchange for either a reduced sentence or flat-out immunity.
On one of the programs following this case it was mentioned that the psychic that was talking to the PI that was looking for Caylee’s remains had a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee. Anyone know how she acquired this?
Could Casey have used the name Zaneida Gonzalez herself at the apartments? If she had been planning this terrible thing ahead of time, she would’ve wanted to create some evidence herself that would back up her story.
SM: The apartment managers were asked to identify Casey and they didn’t recognize her. (klaasend)
They coded’ Take the location called the “ZONE. the owner of the vacant property Gonzalez. ZONE I DID IT equals Zonaida. Gonzalez vacant house where Cayle was found. ZONE I DID IT plus Gonzalez equals Zonida Gonzalez
Didn’t Casey admit she last saw Caylee on the 15th of July and didn’t the forensics guestimate she probably died on the 15th? Shouldn’t this all factor in with the evidence they have against Casey?
I think I made a mistake of month, perhaps it was June not July.
Can someone please tell me why this infomation has never come up on any TV News Shows. I dont understand it. I think it can be considered breaking news. If nothing else it sure would get ratings. I know this info has been sent to them all.
#121 by Jasvett
Mentioned that Casey may have been telling the truth in a backwards sort of way. It creeped me out when I read that because I just watched the whole Dateline thing on youtube about when Casey took the police to Universal on a dead-end search. When asked why she lied to them she said that it was her “backwards” way of helping. CREEPY coincidence of wording.
Anyway, I think this girl is definitely capable of the type of planning it takes for all of the theories to be true. I think people underestimate the female psycopaths that are out there. This girl has issues and I think even if she has a chance to win in trial, she’s probably having a tough time surviving in jail already.
And, if she was calculating enough to joke about “knocking Caylee out” and to search for Chloroform, the rest could have come with just a little more thought.
I just saw on the Dateline website that her dad tried to commit suicide on 1/22. What sorrow and possible guilt he must be carrying. My heart and prayers go out to the whole situation.
What about the traffic tickets from 5/24/08? Did anyone ever try to ask Annie Downing about this incident and if it was actually Casey in the car with her? I think, if theory 1 is correct, and an arraignment notice was sent regarding the failure to appear for Zenaida(Casey), she probably would’ve been told by the officer she was dating because I’m sure she wouldn’t have put her own address down. Where was the notice sent, etc? And, if Casey had told him that she gave a false name to avoid a charge for no license then he may have helped her minimize the damage by telling her about it going on to arraignment and advised her how to pay the minimum to avoid anything else happening with it. Hmmmm, makes you think.
And, it makes sense that if she had just happened to use ZG as a fake name to avoid a traffic citation/charge prior to Caylee’s disappearance and she couldn’t be linked to that traffic violation herself, that she would use that name again as the person who supposedly took Caylee.
I have been following this case, but not as closely as some, although I have stayed very interested in the details of this.
My take on it is this…. Casey made up the name Zaneida Gonzalez either one of two ways: 1) She took the names of her neighbors that lived adjacent to where the lot was found. She could have made up this name early on because she needed a name for a Nanny, for which she didn’t have. Since she hung out on the lot where Caylee was found, naturally she may know the neighbors names that were adjacent to it, or thought enough to look up the names there. People are creatures of habit. She may have not known at the time when provided the fake Nanny name that she would wind up killing her daughter and placing her on the nearby lot. I do believe her mind is sick and twisted enough to have thought out many different scenarios … knowing she may be facing a cat and mouse game. Casey is a pathological liar so she may have been getting ready to set up a whole story down the road.
2) I don’t think this is the case regarding where she got the name Zaneida Gonzalez but it is possible she actually did know someone by that name. I’m wondering Casey Anderson could have been a prostitute for money and drugs and was caught up in some underground sex ring. If this is the case surely information would have surfaced by now.
**My guess is that Casey set up the whole scene on the day that Zaneida Gonzalez went to the Sawgrass Apts. I think she found this lady or knew here, and convinced her to fill out an application there to help out her story. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that she paid Gonzalez money or convinced her to put in the application so that she could lead the cops to Sawgrass as she had told them this is where she dropped of Caylee.
Its just TOO much of a coincidence that Zaneida Gonzalez showed up that day and put in her application. Has anyone thought the same thing?
Also, I think the parents and brother are covering up for Casey Anthony. It is extremely odd that they let her disappear for over 30 days and not get panicked on her whereabouts or Caylees.
I’m guessing they let her disappear to give time to let things cool down so that they could prentend they were not involved.
I don’t think they killed Caylee but I think they conspired with Casey to hide the evidence.
Why would the Mom take the clothes out of the car and wash them? Does this sound sensible to you? The last thing I would do is want to wash clothes when I just found out my grand daughter was missing.
I’m guessing the shoes will reveal the same type of dirt and mud found on that lot. I think they’ll have all of the evidence they need to convict Casey, but its a fascinating look into the mind of a killer to try and piece together what actually happened.
Also, I have another problem with her Dad calling the cops about missing gas cans. Was this an attempt to set up a whole story for later on?
No one can be trusted in this group…. even her friends and boyfriends she had that surrounded her. None of these people seem quality to me.
She did say HOPE in that conversation…. that girl was trying to lead them to the body without coming out and saying exactly where Caylee was. She’s not stupid. She wants to play games. the more attention she can put on herself and delay them from the real information… the happier she is. She knows she is guilty and they have enough evidence to convict her….. she knows this, but now she is setting up an insanity defense. Watch…she’ll have multiple personality disorder.
I do think that she killed Caylee, perhaps it was an accident. I believe she had been drugging Caylee and that seeing the choloroform picture on the boyfriends myspace page gave her the idea to use it. I believe she accidentally overdosed Caylee. She rushed the dead body over to her parents house and dunked it in the pool, then placed the body in the trunk while she decided what to do with it. George put a foil into her plans by asking about the gas cans. I heard on TV that the gas cans had duct tape on them that may match the duct tape on Caylee’s skull. The FBI is checking that out. I still believe that George is the father of Caylee. He tried to commit suicide because of the secret. I am sure that all of this will come out at trial. I hope Casey gets the death penalty. She is a psychopath and dangerous. I believe that she said Hope on the tape and that she was giving codes to her brother about Caylee.
George and Cindy Anthony hope to reunite with daughter Casey for a private funeral behind bars for toddler Caylee Marie. “An unprecedented jailhouse funeral,” WESH’s Bob Kealing called it.
“We are trying to work with the jail,” Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, told WESH. “I know Mr. [Jose] Baez has put some time in to accomplishing that goal. Hopefully, we’ll know by the end of the week whether that’s possible.” (Baez is the attorney for Casey Anthony.)
They shouldn’t get their hopes up.
“It is highly unlikely any such request would be granted,” a corrections spokesman said.
Conway said the family plans to announce a date for a public funeral tomorrow.
Is the idea of a funeral behind bars with Casey, George and Cindy sickening to anyone else????? This poor baby deserves the respect and love of a proper funeral and burial. Once again, the Anthony’s are catering to Casey, allowing her to be the only concern. I pray that this idea is stopped.
Hi, 1st time here. Please bear with me. I don’t believe Casey came up with the name Zenaida Gonzales from an address. She had been referring to the name for almost 2 yrs when speaking to friends and family. As far as the address names, I see these names as people who are paying taxes on actual empty lots.I don’t think she ever saw an actual street listing with those names.(Swamp land.) Her old childhood friend that hung with her in that area spoke of the exact place and tried to encourage LE to check out “The Zone’ as they called it. It has been suggested that since LE had already been to the site twice, after the 1st 2 tips. The day they saw a snake in the area there was no bag visible, that’s why I suggest that it was prob dragged by animals or moved with the weather. It is very likely that with 20-30 animal species running around foraging for food (Sorry,I realize the thought is disturbing, but part of nature)) As well as winds, heavy rains and flooding,the bag got dragged around spilling small bones in several different areas. It is amazing,that they even found the bag. With the child’s tiny body size, toddler, so many bone and bone fragments will turn out to be minuscule. They mentioned that no soft tissue was recovered.(muscle,fascia and dermal matter had already decomposed or even worse)
There are 2 points I’d like to mention, wondering if any of you know. When the Police had her over at Universal and it became obvious that she didn’t work there, Did the Police say 1. “O.K. Your daughters missing, you told us you dropped her off with the Nanny on your way to work. Since you have no job WHAT IS THE REAL STORY?”
2. Also I get a sick feeling when I think of this, I truly hope I am wrong. When it became apparent there was no job the police got permission to question her in a side office over at Universal. I’ve seen the transcript,heard it as well. I can’t find any record of them reading her, her rights or even suggesting she speak to a Lawyer. I will freak if she ever gets away with this if it wasn’t done. I’m no expert, anyone?
3. If she had no income for over a year and a half, has anyone else noticed this kid had tons of pictures, always different cute clothes and so many toys. All this is costly. I pray that Casey A. wasn’t pimping the kid for cash. I know it is sick, but there where so many times when no one saw the baby, that’s why it wasn’t a stretch to say the child was with the Nanny. I don’t care about anything else. I just PRAY that baby wasn’t exploited, didn’t suffer.
Debi: i, too, have listened to the interview with Casey at the Universal offices. I believe she was read her rights the day before, at her home, on the 15th of July. Some people think that Zanny the Nanny was actually the street name for Xanax and that Casey was drugging her child to make her sleep while she was out doing her thing. No one knows what she was actually doing. If she was a prostitute or escort or pimping Caylee, where did she spend the money? Her parents have stated they totally support both Casey and Caylee. George states in his FBI interview that he suspected CAsey had not been working for quite some time!
I wanted to chime in. I doubted this post at first because WhitePages.com allows you to submit your own entries, meaning an online prankster, or Casey herself at some point, could have done this.
But read on:
Homeowner records immediately validate the Gonzales home.
The Zenaida Almodovar home is more tricky, BUT IT IS LEGITIMATE. It is owned by Alice Dilley and her husband. Alice’s maiden name is ALICE ALMODOVAR and she and Zenaida Almodovar have lived in the same home before (including a prior address on nearby Curry Ford Road).
THIS IS LEGITIMATE and I hope law enforcement is two steps ahead and has figured this out already!
[...] next thing we know the Baez defense team will be describing Zenaida Gonzalez as a “bushy-haired” nanny. It would appear that the Casey Anthony defense team and Linda [...]
Xanax and the house names, seem so obvious. They are just TOO coincidental. IMHO
Did any one ever hang out at the empty house ?Maybe someone tipped the meter reader off as to where to look, or he just saw bags being dumped and became curious.
Lets face it there was no Zany. Zany was the only named used for about a year and a half until he day Casey had to fess up. Zany was the name used for anyone that was watching Casey at whatever moment in time. (Until Casey had to come up with a legimate name for the elusive Zany that no one ever met or talked to, saw picture, etc.)
I would think that the Zenaida Gonzalez that looked at an apartment at sawgrass on June 17th was the coincidence and the above scenario is more real.
Keep in mind Casey originally went along with June 9th until OOOps there was a video of Caylee on Fathers Day. What? Casey didn’t challenge that date reported by her mother? Did she not know of all people exactly when her child was “kidnapped” Oh she forgot!!! Lets see what is July 16th minus 31 days. Hmmmm!!!!
I think she was picking up as much trash as she could while Caylee was in the trunk to mask the smell. And it would give her some trash to lay around Caylee body in that lot so Caylee would blend into the area.
Blink: Surely all of this cannot be just coincidence and now adding in the fact Caylees’s birthday being 08/09/05 and the location of her body is 8905 Surburban Dr. Holy Crap, that says premeditation to me. It had to take some time to think all this thru to decide where to place her body. I can understand that the day of her death may not have been planned but the placement of her body was well planned in advance. If it had not been for the argument between Casey and Cindy, Caylee may not have died that day, but her death was imminent. Lets face it Caylee was getting older, she was able to talk now. She could now tell on Casey. Casey was running out of options
Can or will the prosecution use your theory which is much more than theory to me. It is bone chilling. If this doesn’t say premeditation I dont know what does. Do they have all of this???
casey anthony is guilty
I don’t get it. Did ANY of you bother to check the Orange County tax records as I DID. NEITHER OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN OR ARE OWNED BY THE PERSONS NAMED. This is a fake, hype thread, and you’re wasting your time.
KC started to talk about Zanee Gonzales in or around 2006. There is not link (if this is real) with the body of her daughter. She made up the name as she did for Juliette Lewis, the Raquell girl, the Zach kid and so on. She created her own world. For me, the worst part is the heart shaped glue they found on the duct tape: how can you be that cruel and insensite! Taped your own daughter mouth and nose…and put heart shaped sticker over it!!! Sorry baby, mom want to party and you steal the sun from me so… die!… Insane selfish little b**ch!
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case, that she was leaving sick clues to see who’s smart enough to figure it out. OR she could’ve just came up with the name Zenaida Hernandez-Gonzalez by just knowing of two people with those names…but however she came up with that name, just goes to show how twisted this devil woman really is. How she could look at her beautiful daughter, then slap duct tape and chloroform over her mouth…is beyond me. Imagine how frightened Caylee was..and surely she was crying…and that evil bitch still proceeded to carryon and chloroform the kid, to knock her out, so she can go friggin party? I feel she came back from her partying only to find that little Caylee was dead, in the back seat (probably strapped in or worse, was put in the trunk after she chloroformed her, so she then duct taped Caylee and disposed of the body…but not before she rode around with the dead corpse in her trunk..she’s twisted…plain and simple…this bitch deserves to die. If she didn’t want to raise Caylee, why didn’t she simply just give her mother custody or someone else the opportunity to care for that beautiful child?
The 4701 Hopespring Drive address was owned by a Gonzalez family. In April 8, 2008, it was transferred from husband to wife probably in connection with a divorce. She has since changed her name. The 4709 address has been owned by Dennis and Alice Dilley since 2003. I tried to look at the other real properties on the list. I don’t see anyone who currently owns the property as having the name of “Zenaida.” You can look it up on Orange County property appraiser’s website by doing a property search and entering Hopespring Drive and searching all the addresses. So, it’s partly true. Interesting…
This has all the makings of a Hollywood movie.
To Rusty (comment #159),
They don’t have to be the owners, they can be renters.
If they were renters then why link to the tax records? Also, in doing the whitepages.com search, the only names that come up for that address are the Dilley’s. No Zenaida comes up for that address. Post #150 says “It is owned by Alice Dilley and her husband. Alice’s maiden name is ALICE ALMODOVAR and she and Zenaida Almodovar have lived in the same home before”. I could find no proof of this, either with the OC Tax Records for that address or in the OC Clerk of Courts.
In 2010 I could not find any confirmation that anyone named Zenaida lived at that address and can find no evidence today. If there is proof, could someone post it or update this page??
SHUT THE DOOR !!!!
This is very smart,and sick, but I believe Cassy did just that, thinks she will get away with this you have got to send to the prosecutor. Hurry trial is going on right now
I know a lot of smart people put a lot of thought into the “clues” Cayce tried to give about where Caylee was … really… Does anyone on this planet think she put any thought into what lie to tell next and does anyone really think she is that smart ?
I think Cayce had Caylee with her at a friends house because she and her mother had argued about Cayce not spending time with her child. Cayce being the self centered person that she is left the Anthony home with Caylee just to get back at her mom. She went out partying with friends but before she left she put Caylee to sleep using chloroform and duct taped her mouth so that if she woke up she wouldn’t alert neighbors that she was alone. When Cayce got back from the party ) either drunk or high ) she never checked on the baby. Next morning she finds Caylee dead. She puts her in the trunk and runs to Dad ( the ex detective ) who would know what to do. She probably finds Dad at the girlfriends house, explains why the girlfriend says Dad put Cayce against the wall demanding to know where Caylee is. Dad knows to hide the body until any usable evidence is gone. At this point Cindi is unaware the baby is even missing. When Cindi finally gets her head out of her butt and starts looking for Casey and Caylee and finds the car smelling like a dead body she calls the police in hysterics, begging for help in finding her grand daughter. A week or so after that 911 call Cindis’ whole demeanor change, Why?
Because after she starts making noise to the media and telling them what a lousy mother Cayce is George and Casey come clean to her about what actually happened to Caylee. Everything from that point on out of Cindi Anthony is a confused act because she knows her daughter murdered her own child. Now she can either go along with the plan George and Casey have concocted or watch her daughter get the needle. I believe George knew exactly where the body was kept for the four or five months that Caylee was missing, I believe he deliberately left that precious little girls body to decay and be eaten by animals in order to destroy evidence.Explains why the body wasn’t there when the detective who made that video searched the area and didn’t find her.( wasn’t he working for the Anthonys when he searched the area the first time ) I think George realized early on that the defense would have to prove that the body
was placed there after Cayce was in jail in order to make it appear that someone other than Cayce murdered that child. Knowing that, he waited until after the area had been searched and then moved Caylee there. I also believe that Cindi probably had some influence on the body being discovered she probably demanded that at some point Caylee have a decent burial in exchange for her keeping quiet. I don’t think brother Lee was involved in anything that happened to Caylee ( other than maybe her birth ) I think he would have been “left out” just as he was left out on the pregnancy. Anybody who could not read both Lee and Cayces’ faces during Lee’s testimony is either blind or just plain stupid. As sick and twisted as it is I fully believe Lee was and still is completely in love with his own sister. As for Cayce, she loves no one but Cayce, however I do believe during Lee’s testimony she had a small glimmer of conscience at what she had done to the father of her child. First real tears I have seen, which makes her seem even sicker than I thought. How do you cry for your brother but have no tears for your own child ? No I think if Lee had even suspected that Cayce had killed little Caylee he would have talked because true or not he either thinks or wishes he was Caylees father. That is one screwed up family and little Caylee paid the ultimate price for all the perversion. I also believe that only the people responsible for Caylees death and God will ever know the truth about what really happened. I am just thankful that no matter what happens in court that God does know and someday somebody will answer to a much higher court than the circus we have paraded before us every day. But thats just my thoughts and like everyone else I only hope the twelve people sitting on that jury can wade through all the smoke and mirrors and see that some kind of justice is done for little Caylee.
Lee has been ruled out as the father. Why do people continue to suspect that he is?
WOW! It makes me believe now more than ever that she is a psycopath! It is so clear when she is talking to her brother Lee that she is telling him where Caylee is. Good job!
People that know her said she was smart. I tend to think now that this is what she did.
Has anyone shown this theory to the cops?
i sent copys of the photos of online phone book of who lived atthe empty house on hopespring dr..i still have them i just posted them on my facebook group chat..here is the link..anyway i have copys of emails i sent to the police telling them that this seemed strange to me that thebaby was found across from empty house that zenaida gonzales lived at..can forward copys of emails also..https://www.facebook.com/groups/justiceforcaylee/
I wonder why Casey was never given a Polygraph. I just can’t believe she wasn’t. Other Murder suspects are given polygraphs. we are always hear other suspects results. Why not Casey’s.
SM: Because she would fail.
I am sad Casey Anthony is a free person. That poor baby, at least she is in God’s Hands now
I am so hooked on this website. I just stumbled on it due to the movie Prosecuting Casey Anthony. Great theory, research and information. I have enjoyed reading.