RSSScared Monkeys Radio Daily Commentary – Wednesday, November 26, 2008 – Dana Weighs In On The Greta / Joran Interview
- Dana makes some observations regarding the recent interview between Greta Van Susteren and Joran Van der Sloot.
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I totally agree with you Dana; don’t ever believe this guy – sociapath – vandersloot when a camera is pointed at him!
I listened to the Paulus/Joran telephone conversation and I can tell you: it is a TOTAL FAKE!!! (IMHO)
You Americans and others who don’t speak Dutch, you might not notice it but…
What I hear is two guys of about the same age, of which either has authority over the other, reading a ‘play’ from a piece of paper.
What I DON’T hear is the voice of a full grown man, i.c., the voice of Paulus vdDitch, who speaks spontanious and in a much more carefully, considering way, in a much more authoritarian or fatherly tone.
We all know that Joran get’s a kick out of ‘outsmarting’ everyone with stuff like this…
But that he gets paid for it…. OMG!!! I think that here goes the reputation of Greta van Susteren….
Here’s yet another thing Joran pulled off btw!
“Joran: Riots in Thailand… I did that!”
http://tinyurl.com/57hzln
Joran: Riots in Thailand… I did that!
(Google-transl.)
The occupation of Bangkok Airport has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawa. Is just an orchestrated demonstration against Peter R. de Vries and Fox News. Thus, Joran van der Sloot just opposite exclusive GeenStijl let us know. He called it very annoying that at present several hundreds of his countrymen stranded, but Joran is in the Thai capital sufficient to do so. Buy yourself for example, once a tailor to or enjoy the local folklore of the pole dancing. Furthermore, remember that Joran left Natalee Holloway is not dead. Worse still, Ms now fighting for the FARC in Colombia. In exchange for the installation of a new recruit was Joran 2 kilos of pure cocaine. Seems to us a legitimate story. Only there do you hear the media do not have. Thailand greetings hierrr can do. More creativity with luggage containers there.
Do we know that Joran is being paid for these interviews? If so, how do we know?
Should that be the case, it is despicable … but I haven’t seen anything to say that it is the case. Of course, my not having seen it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
Thanks for keeping us informed of the Dutch news in this case, EURobert. We all know that Joran has lied repeatedly; so now we are left with the question of what truth has come out, if any.
It’s almost as though every possible story has been voiced. Take your pick now as to what to believe.
One thing that we can do, and in my opinion should do … keep what pressure we can on Aruba. Boycott.
EURobert, I’ve just seen (it’s available now on a Yahoo search under “Natalee Holloway”) the transcript of last night’s Fox News program.
Apparently one expert (maybe that should be ‘expert’?) is convinced that the recording is authentic and unaltered, while another is not.
This, of course, brings us back to the issues that plagued us with allegations about the Dr. Phil and Kalpoes program. (I’m not saying what happened there, as I don’t know; just bringing up the issue.)
Of course, to say that the recording is authentic does not prove that PvdScum was on it. You need Aruba to do that, and Aruba won’t.
But the transcript says that PvdScum never tried to deny that it was his voice. Never reacted.
John Q. Kelly was saying the same thing that I have said for years … Aruba could survive the accidental death or murder of an American tourist by locals, so long as it investigated honestly.
But proof of human trafficking, coupled with a cover-up? He said, and I agree, that Aruba would be destroyed. So at least on this point, it has always made sense to me that this could explain the cover-up.
And the band played on ….
Okay, having read the transcript (I didn’t see the show), I see where Tacopina states that Fox News paid Joran for the interview. Greta vS replies that “you know how these things are done,” evidently referring to the payment. I didn’t see a specific confirmation or denial by her of payment.
#3
Check the video from Greta with the lawyer. He accused her of paying a shitload of money… and where she tries to defend herself (with loud voice) on any account… she does not for this one. If she would not have paid, she would have defended that point for sure!
If she would not pay: Joran would not have given the interview. Even with the dutch show of Pauw & Witteman the vd Slut Family got money (so it has been said). Much less by the way.
#5
That vd Sloot sr has not responded was a comment given by the commentator. That one seemed very biased. Watch the show yourself and you can see for yourself.
More interesting I find the following:
I believe the telephone call is a telephone call made by JORAN with himself pretending to be his father. And in the telephone call he mentioned (while doing the voice of his dad) that human trafficing is a serious crime. Well, at least then we know that JORAN puts that crime into the serious category. And how funny that some months later he proposes to do exactly the same on the hidden camera show by Peter r De Vries. So Joran DOES know to differentiate good from wrong (fake telephone call) and then later chooses to do the wrong! That one might sent him to the Bangkok Hilton, all inclusive rate!
Richard,
First lets not believe anything TACO has to saw, he is a paid liar.
Second, yes JVDS did get paid to do the interview with Greta. That was the licensing of the audio chip that you hear referenced.
Obviously the sporter needed some cash and he contacted Greta to dupe her for yet another story.
In the end he will have to face a justice that will last him an eternity.
R
Hi Richard,
I learned on the SM-blog (and it was discussed between Joe Lack-o-pen*s and Greta) that JvdScum was payed for it.
The only thing wrong with the tape is IMO that it’s not PvdScum on it. So it isn’t edited or something but it just isn’t him. But that PvdS didn’t denie it is understandable I think; it’s a normal strategy when people continuesly accuse you of stuff that you either did or did not do. In the end you don’t react to it anymore I think.
But that Greta fell for this hoax is totally unbelievable. Well, they probably all want that big scoop and true or not true in the end it will generate a lot off money… But if it’s good for the reputation on the long run? I doubt it.
Greets!
Richard,
I saw in the other thread that you hadn’t seen the show?
Here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/rabqs
It does seem as though she paid for ‘licensing’ of the tape. Precisely what this means is beyond me.
Whether Greta von Susteren and FoxNews were ‘duped’ is of course a judgment call. Perhaps indeed they are overreaching to ‘cash in’ on the whole saga … perhaps they are trying to keep in contact with Joran to check out some other things, or just to find out what is going on now … perhaps they have other information that might tie in with all of this … or perhaps they simply are trying to keep the pressure on Aruba to DO SOMETHING.
Not knowing what may be going on in the background, I can’t say.
There’s an article out today from Radio Netherlands pointing out that Paulus vdScum refused to deny to the Fox News reporter that the taped conversation was valid.
Spokesman Tacopina later said, according to this article, that he and PvdScum (my words, not his) had talked, and that the latter suggested that the tape was altered. A highly original idea … where have we heard this before?
EURobert, I readily defer to your knowledge of Dutch. I read that one expert disputes that the tape was altered, while another is uncertain.
Meanwhile, this story came out today in a Florida newspaper. It deals with a sex slavery ring in south Florida, where foreign girls were smuggled into this country, held captive, and trafficked.
Apparently one woman was held captive NINE years.
Thank God that no such thing could happen to an American citizen in, say, the Caribbean….
My emphasis as pertains to capital letters.
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
November 25, 2008
MIAMI – A federal judge dropped a sex trafficking charge against one man named as part of a South Florida prostitution slave ring, but ordered a man and woman who were arrested along with him held on six-figure bonds.
During the hearing at the federal courthouse in Miami this morning prosecutors also revealed that Timoteo Reyes-Perez, one of the men charged in the tri-county bust last Wednesday, remains at large.
Magistrate Chris McAliley dismissed the lone charge against Fidel Gonzalez without explanation, but she set bond for Arturo Rojas-Gonzalez at $200,000, and at $250,000 for Elodia Capilla Diego.
Rosalio Valdez, a fifth defendant charged in what the U.S. Attorney’s Office called a “modern day form of slavery,” is scheduled for a detention hearing Wednesday.
Court records paint a picture of young girls taken from their homes in Mexico, smuggled into the United States and then forced into a life of prostitution. They were shuttled between brothels and “stash houses” where the women were kept in West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Homestead, Miami and elsewhere.
AT LEAST ONE WOMAN WAS HELD CAPTIVE FOR NINE YEARS. Another victim, a 15-year-old, described getting $25 per sexual encounter and seeing as many as 100 customers a week. Nearly all of the money went to their pimps.
The women lived in constant fear of beatings and of threats to their families back home.
One victim began cooperating with authorities in January. She told investigators she was kidnapped in 1999, smuggled through Arizona and forced into prostitution.
SHE TRIED TO ESCAPE, BUT WAS “severely beaten for her attempts.” After her third escape, she tried to commit suicide.
With her help, investigators tracked the victims and traffickers across South Florida.
The women were held in “stash houses” often with families, including children, living in the same houses. At night, their captors would shuttle them to appointments. They would spend around a week there and then they would be sent to work in brothels, a 15-year-old girl told investigators. Her captors knew that she was underage.
On June 23, law enforcement officers stopped a van carrying three of the women near Naples.
“All three women had small notebooks containing phone numbers and dates,” the criminal complaint said, along with “tallies indicating how many customers they had seen on the particular date.”
Officers let the group go, but federal agents installed a global positioning system tracker on the van. Investigators traced it to a Homestead home where the teenager lived and to some of the brothels.
On Wednesday, agents moved in to arrest the alleged ring leaders.
At a home occupied by Valdez, “who matched the descriptions of the pimp running the locations,” according to the arrest affidavit, agents found passports and luggage belonging to several women, along with $2,000 in cash. Inside Valdez’ car agents found “20-50 condoms and a commercial size bottle of lubricant.”
Here is the text of the Radio Netherlands article to which I refer above. The headline said that PvdScum denied the authenticity of Joran’s tape.
However, he refused to comment to the Fox News reporter, at least not immediately and directly.
If Tacopina is to be believed, then Paulus told him that no such conversation had taken place and suggested that the tape had been ‘altered.’ That sounds like a familiar defense.
One wonders why PvdS couldn’t make this comment directly and immediately to the Fox News reporter.
Of course, his failure to do so proves nothing.
RNW News
26-11-2008
Paulus van der Sloot, father of the Holloway case suspect Joran, is refusing to respond to allegations that his son told him about what happened to the missing American teenager. In an interview aired in the US on Tuesday, Joran told Fox News TV how he had sold Natalee Holloway to a Venezuelan man on the beach in Aruba for 10,000 dollars.
A Fox News reporter managed to show Mr Van der Sloot’s father some transcripts of tape recordings of him talking to his son about the Natalee Holloway case. At one point, the transcript shows how his father says to Joran,
“But what you’ve done is pretty bad. Human trafficking is a serious crime.”Fox News TV also aired the audio recording of the telephone conversation between Joran and his father. They spoke in clearly understandable Dutch; the audio was subtitled in English on screen.
Confronted with the possibility that Natalee might still be alive, Paulus van der Sloot went into his office and broke off the outdoor interview.
The reporter says that Mr van der Sloot did not deny that the transcribed conversations actually took place.
Lawyer disagrees
Joe Tacopina, who was Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer in the Aruba investigation, says he also spoke to Paulus van der Sloot. To Tacopina, Paulus said he had never had such a conversation with his son, suggesting that the audio recording had been doctored.
Mr Tacopina was accusing Fox News of paying Joran for the recordings and his interview simply to make great tv and increase ratings. The lawyer also said Joran is “despicable” and “on the verge of [being a] sociopath”.
Just in Dutch Newsshow ‘Hart van Nederland’. The guys there have compared old material of PvdSloot with this new recording. Their conclusion: FAKE! It’s a totally different accent (for example: Paulus in this new recording suddenly has lost his so called ‘soft G’ – a very typicle sound which is spoken in regions below the Rhine in the NL’s.).
OM on Aruba won’t comment on the ‘new findings’.
Interesting that the Arubans won’t comment … after all, one would think they would want to do the utmost to discredit Greta von Susteren ….
Instead, the paragon of virtue Hans Mos won’t meet with her or her team, won’t work overtime, won’t work on the weekends, and (like Karin Janssen before him) has to go on a vacation.
All this in the middle of the latest story to emerge from the biggest scandal ever in Aruba.
Aren’t we glad that we know the Aruban government is honest, above-board, and single-minded in its dedication to provide us with answers in this case. Otherwise, we might wonder….
Nor would Paulus deny the authenticity of the tape when the Fox News reporter asked him. One would think that he would come right out and say that he had never been party to any such recording ….
Or perhaps he has memory problems, as he did concerning the events of Natalee’s disappearance?
Anyway, this proves nothing … but his (later) denial was placed through Joe Tacopina. My understanding is that communications with one’s lawyer are privileged; those with reporters are not. Of course, this couldn’t be a factor….
The girl O/D, didn’t want to go home to an abusive family, was pregnant by her Stepfather, hated her mom, mom lies, what else is new?
Is this why Greta wanted Tacopina to give her a voice sample of Paulus? Is this why the one expert wouldn’t say the tape was good? He wasn’t sure if it was Paulus or not? I guess if the other expert said the tape was good. He was only checking to see if it was spliced or enchanced. And didn’t care if the voice was really Paulus.
hey there. i actually believe joran’s story. call me crazy but i have always believed she is alive and sold into sex slavery as bad as that sounds. i agree with john q kelly they could recover from a murder. but not a cover up because an american tourist was sold into slavery. i hope if she is alive god will finally let her come home. its kinda a sad story though. cause if she is dead than of course what a sad scenario but if she is alive and having to have sex with sleazy men or be beaten than i feel for her. i always thought she was taken off of the island because they combed every inch of the island leaving no rock unturned. if she was dumped in the ocean there wouldve been something. some trace of her somewhere. i have to say i actually belive joran.
why would he call in and say he lied after all of it??well think bout this. he said on the record that deepak will give him a million dollars if they win their case if joran doesnt comment on what he knows bout him. well that was after he said deepak knew they were gunna sell natalee. oops to me that is saying what you know. he either called to say he lied cause he wanted that million dollars if deepak won his case. or that mystery man he sold natalee too called and paid him more to retrack his story. i have hope that natalee will be found. i hope alive. we shouldnt give up hope for her. if she is alive she needs our prayers. justice for natalee is coming soon.i just know it
and also to add if it wasnt paulus on the tape he wouldve jumped up to say it isnt me, it isnt me. joe t is a loser who needs to keep his mouth shut. he is spewing at the mouth cause he looked like a deer in headlights. he is a complete moron and when this truth comes out and she is found he can eat his own words.
#13
Really: sex slaves in South Florida? In the USA?
Well: let’s boycott the USA and Florida in particular!
Yeah right #13. Listen up, the difference is that when FLA police caught on they did something about it.
Out impressions of ALE is “round up the usual suspects” and play a delaying game until the trail goes cold. Typical rural attitude.
alison, i must be crazy too, because i believe a lot of this new confession. he implicates people and tells us their role, where before he covered for people and tried to distance their involvement. he should consider protective custody if he wants to come clean, cause some animals will devour their offspring in stressful situations.
i read here all the time and stand with the girl.
Thing is:
This is going to boil down to one thing and one thing only…
Do you believe there is such a thing as human trafficking?
If not,
OPEN YOUR EYES!
.
He’s doing it in Thailand!
.
What?
You think this is new to him?
If my daughter came up missing in Aruba…
And there was no sign of her…
NOTHING!
I’d think she was probably trafficked.
Especially, there!
A DUTCH island?
Greta probably blew it the first time around and all that tape was on the floor, as if there were nothing to it and SNAP! He’s trafficking girls in Thailand! That’s how psychopaths are. It’s BIG, easy money.
That’s what he does…
That’s what his Dad does…
.
Remember the two little girls that were in front of his office? What were they doing there? Look at the tape… Paulus looks like he’s caught with his hand in the cookie jar. again!
.
God Bless!
Nite…
#25
You are so right (as always). Human trafficking is for sure to happen especially on a DUTCH island. It would never happen in the U.S.A., right?
conspiracyhub.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1988293:Video:1122
Never there:
federaljack.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2737
No way:
edition.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/25/human.trafficking.ap/
Florida is not part of the Good Ole USA!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/sfl-1126prostitutionring,0,5577968.story
You can always count on the Dutch trolls to try to pervert the point. Sex trafficking occurs in many places, and is more prevalent than is widely known.
But it seems that there is no conspiracy to deny it, or to cloud over other crimes so that the U.S. can continue to get tourist revenue.
Unlike in Aruba. Got it? The Natalee Holloway case is the point here.
Icey (#23) … I agree totally. The reason that I put the story there was to illustrate that in this country, where usually the police are generally honest, one woman apparently was kept in captivity for NINE years.
What do you think might be possible on, say, the Latin American continent?
But it can’t happen to an American, can it?
(Ask the family of Amy Bradley.)
Hey, Hey Paul!
That’s right.
It’s happenin’ here, too.
And… you’re right!
She could be right there in Miami!
God, I hope so…
.
You, ever, say anything negative about Beth
again and I will never acknowledge you, again!
.
Thank you.
#29
Well, Fox Fire Paula (you have even more names?), interesting to see we agree on something.
Why can’t I say something negative about Beth? (Is she an Angel? Is she for you what Muhammed is for the Muslims?). I guess you will completely dislike a documentary that has been made on Aruba that focuses completely on Beth and her role. (The dumb thing about that documentary, even though it might actually put some good points about Beth in public… the maker of it believes Joran is innocent… well by saying that, the maker already loses all credibility).
Even though Joran is a scumbag and I would also like to teach our children that the world is black and white (not refering to race), but more meant: easy to explain… The world is much more grey. And therefore I can not promise you I can talk about Beth in the way you would like me too.
__________
SM: One thing is for certain and that is you are no angel.
If you have not figured it out … Beth Holloway is the grieving mother who has lost her daughter forever. Actually, she did not lose her daughter, Natalee was killed.
So if you do not think that a mother who has lost their daughter deserves respect and consideration for the terrible ordeal that she has been through then maybe you best look inward to your heart and figure out what is missing.
I know Beth Holloway personally and have seen the pain, grief and anguish up front what she deals with. Every time the media comes out with one of these type of theories, it causes more pain.
Parents of murdered children do deserve understanding because unless one has been thru such hell, you have no idea.
R
#30
Well, it seems we disagree on the ‘fact’ that Natalee was murdered. You seem to be convinced. I am not. So I see where your comments come from: the belief (or being convincer) that Natalee was murdered. I personally believe (yes: believe) that Natalee was not murdered, but died of some sort of accident (I knew somebody personally who went swimming in the sea of Aruba and was never seen again… sometimes the water can be really dangerous there… that one is still a mystery to me and his family: because he was an o.k. swimmer.) So I see more in the theory of an accident, and from that point of view do not consider Beth to be the mother of a child that was murdered, but died of an accident.
I know I am no angel (neither are you), I never stated that!
I agree that a mother of a lost daughter deserves respect. But even a mother of a lost daughter can do things that people may criticise. It is not that because a person has lost a son or a daughter, there position becomes untouchable (that is what I think, you may disagree).
You are so right about the pain that comes when the media put another story out there. And in this case I think Greta did wrong by putting Beth in front of the camera for the fake telephone tape.
Gretta only cares about her ratings.
nothing more, nothing less.
“Gretta only cares about her ratings.
nothing more, nothing less.”
Yes and no, I think her heart is in the right place, but her thought process gets clouded when Joran gets involved.
Others do just as well with this story, its not just a Greta branded story for sure.
JMO
right Dana
its something we see in all the media these days